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Speaker 1: with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. Roppolo is in the

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Speaker 1: gun from his own twenty three shotgun snappers high four

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Speaker 1: at the ball loose. It's picked up on the play

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Speaker 1: by Bucker from the five. Dolminaire sideline touchdown. San Francisco.

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Speaker 1: A defensive touchdown for the Diner. Forty seven yard attempt

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Speaker 1: to stay undefeated. Oh we pushed at it. No chance

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Speaker 1: at all. The kicker Jason Myers with a forty two

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Speaker 1: this is uh. This is gonna be a special edition

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Speaker 1: of the Movie Sticks podcast. D J Bucky with you

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Speaker 1: here and Buck today for the episode gonna do uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, our discussion as we always do on the

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Speaker 1: little bit deeper in this one. Why don't you tell

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Speaker 1: the folks what we've got coming up? DJ, this is

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Speaker 1: And so what we decided to do was to take

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Speaker 1: the Monday night football game and use that as a

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Speaker 1: And before we get to how these teams were built

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Speaker 1: And let's get into us big picture takeaways. Um Man.

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Speaker 1: they were just smoking the ball out to him too.

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Speaker 1: They want to give you a cushion let that's a monster.

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Speaker 1: Now make somebody tackle that dude. Um, So I thought

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Speaker 1: they've kind of incorporated that to go along with some

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Speaker 1: of the shots down the field. That was impressive. All right,

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Speaker 1: let's get to these teams and do a little bit

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Speaker 1: deeper dive here, um, and let's start with the quarterback position.

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Speaker 1: How they required our evaluation and uh uh, just our

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Speaker 1: our thoughts on the two signal colors, and we can

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Speaker 1: begin with the Seattle Seahawks and Russell Wilson With the

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Speaker 1: seventy minute pay in the two thousand and twelve NFL Draft,

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Speaker 1: the Seattle Seahawks select Russell Wilson, quarterback Wisconsin. This is

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Speaker 1: a kid. I can't tell you how much I like.

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Speaker 1: Remember he transferred to Wisconsin because he was already a

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Speaker 1: graduate at North Carolina State, a playmaker from day one,

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Speaker 1: drafted and played minor league baseball while he played at

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Speaker 1: NC State, and now a quarterback back that down the

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Speaker 1: road can not only be a competent back up and

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Speaker 1: kind of a change of pace quarterback, but I believe

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Speaker 1: someday might be a starter quality player. And there's Mike

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Speaker 1: Mayock there talking about Russell Wilson. You know, I remember, Buck,

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Speaker 1: this is go back in time here. In March of twelve,

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Speaker 1: they they signed Matt Flynn there to a three year

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Speaker 1: deal twenty million bucks, nine million guaranteed. And then Russell

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Speaker 1: Wilson's drafted in the third round and sure enough, uh,

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Speaker 1: he comes in, beats out Matt Flynn and the rest

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Speaker 1: is history. But uh, just going back to when he

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Speaker 1: was coming out, Buck, do you remember what you what

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Speaker 1: you thought of him at that point in time. Hey,

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Speaker 1: I really liked him when he was coming out. DJ,

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Speaker 1: I remember when he was uh the year he was

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Speaker 1: coming out, he actually played Kirk Cousin in the Big

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Speaker 1: Ten Championship game. So I went to the Big Ten

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Speaker 1: Championship Games Flute Indianapos so I could watch it of

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Speaker 1: close and personal. And I have always been impressed with

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Speaker 1: Russell Wilson going back to his days at NC State.

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Speaker 1: Obviously being a tar heel, I watched him play at

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Speaker 1: NC State and he was effective. He was a guy

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Speaker 1: that broke a bunch of Philip of his record, so

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Speaker 1: I knew it was an accomplished pastor at Wisconsin. The

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Speaker 1: most impressive part was he was able to go in

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Speaker 1: as a graduate transfer quickly become the captain within two weeks,

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Speaker 1: which absolutely new. He picked Wisconsin because he wanted to

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Speaker 1: play in a pro style offense. He goes there and

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Speaker 1: immediately without a month, is named the captain because of

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Speaker 1: his leadership ability, his ability to bring the team together.

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Speaker 1: Then when you watched him play, completed over seventy percent

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Speaker 1: of his passes. The way that he was able to

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Speaker 1: kind of inject himself into the offense, take himself off

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Speaker 1: kind of play as he needed to play to win games.

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Speaker 1: Um showed some of the running ability, but not to

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Speaker 1: the level that he displayed there. Played a phenomenal game

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Speaker 1: in the Rose Bowl. I thought that if he was

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Speaker 1: a little taller, obviously he would be a guy that

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Speaker 1: will be in effective first round pick. But in terms

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Speaker 1: of playing the game, he has star quality written all

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Speaker 1: over him. If you watched him play, you thought he

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Speaker 1: could be a starting quarterback if you could get past

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Speaker 1: the height. And I think what we saw back then,

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Speaker 1: the height and the measurables were still a big factor

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Speaker 1: in the draft process when it came to quarterbacks. He

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Speaker 1: was taken in the third round. But I give the Seahawks.

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Speaker 1: Seahawks credit for doing this. Pete Carroll has always talked

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Speaker 1: about the best players play, and he talked and I

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Speaker 1: remember this in the Train Again battle with Matt Flynn

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Speaker 1: and Russell Wilson. He says, when you make these decisions

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Speaker 1: on players, you can't worry about the cost of doing business.

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Speaker 1: What we paid to acquire Matt Flynn was market value.

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Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, the best players

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Speaker 1: have to play. And they stuck to that premise. Russell Wilson,

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Speaker 1: I'll play Matt Flynn and was the starting quarterback. A

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Speaker 1: lot of teams wouldn't have the guts, so the courage

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Speaker 1: to make a decision with the money not involved in

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Speaker 1: the decision making order to judgment. Yeah, Pete Carroll, go

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Speaker 1: back to usc just that competition Tuesday or wherever they

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00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:50,800
Speaker 1: called it there, and they carried that on uh to

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Speaker 1: the Seattle Seahawks. So you can't preach competition and then

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Speaker 1: and then gift starting positions based off the money that

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Speaker 1: they make so Um. He stuck to his guns there

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Speaker 1: and and one of the things he also did at

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Speaker 1: USC speak Carell would throw the freshman in the starting

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Speaker 1: lineup right away at practice and just say, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: throw you in the deep end. And some of these

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00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:10,360
Speaker 1: guys might show us they can swim, um, but we're

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Speaker 1: gonna We're gonna give him an opportunity. And that's something

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00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:14,639
Speaker 1: that they always sold in recruiting and it's something that

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Speaker 1: he's obviously has continued on there with Seattle. I went

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Speaker 1: back and pulled up my report Buck and Um, I've

517
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Speaker 1: read through, uh my summary of him as a football

518
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,720
Speaker 1: player so many times, you know, I'm familiar with that.

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Speaker 1: But I went back and was looking through some of

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Speaker 1: the character notes that I had, and some of some

521
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Speaker 1: of these things stood out to me because we've talked

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Speaker 1: to After we talked to Jake Keeps and learned more

523
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Speaker 1: about how Russell Wilson takes care of himself and how

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Speaker 1: committity is a couple of things stood out to me. Um,

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Speaker 1: his dad when he was young, woke him up every

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Speaker 1: morning at six am, Um to go outside and work

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Speaker 1: on baseball or football. Now, I read this book astro

528
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Speaker 1: Ball on the Astros and how they built their team

529
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Speaker 1: and UH, Carlos Korea, his dad did the did this

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Speaker 1: in the evenings, so he was I think it was

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Speaker 1: in Puerto Rico. UM and his dad every evening after

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00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 1: he'd worked a couple of jobs, at like eight or

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Speaker 1: nine o'clock at night, he would take him to the

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Speaker 1: baseball field and like hit him balls and take BP

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Speaker 1: for like an hour and a half. And they did

536
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:16,119
Speaker 1: it every single day. UM. That type of influence that

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00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,920
Speaker 1: his father had on him, instilling that work ethic something

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00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 1: that happened with Russell Wilson when he was at a

539
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Speaker 1: young age. Dad coached his youth teams. UM go back

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Speaker 1: through some of his other notes to charisma. Everybody raved

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Speaker 1: about Russell Wilson's charisma, which we've obviously seen hold up.

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Speaker 1: And then this one about how he takes care of

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Speaker 1: his body and doesn't miss football games. Buck. We've seen

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Speaker 1: that the NFL level. Uh suffered a sprain shoulder as

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Speaker 1: a freshman, didn't miss any games sprain is pcl that

546
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 1: same year avoided missing any time. So this is somebody

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00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 1: that you go back to college has always been able

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Speaker 1: to play through injuries and that whole uh thing we

549
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:54,959
Speaker 1: always preach about the greatest abilities availability. Um. That's been

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Speaker 1: his track record and that's something that's followed him to

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Speaker 1: the NFL. It's funny because listening to you, those things

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Speaker 1: that you are discussing, uh, the work ethic being a

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00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 1: worker be um, the body maintenance, and the durability to me,

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00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:12,440
Speaker 1: it speaks to mental and physical toughness. Every coach that

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00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 1: we've had come on the podcast since the beginning of

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00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,400
Speaker 1: the football season has talked about toughness and some way

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Speaker 1: shape form of fashion your quarterback and in Urban Meyer

558
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Speaker 1: at most recent podcast, he talked about your quarterback has

559
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:29,399
Speaker 1: to be your most competitive and your toughest dude. Russell

560
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 1: Wilson answers the bill. Each and every week. Russ has

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Speaker 1: time steps up in the pocket, Ey's gonna lait on

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00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,359
Speaker 1: the top, walking in the back of the ends. He's

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00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 1: got it touch down. No matter what happens to him,

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00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:46,160
Speaker 1: whatever happens on the field, everyone knows that number three

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00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:48,360
Speaker 1: is going to be in the huddle when the game starts.

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Speaker 1: There is something to be said for that. You talked

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Speaker 1: about the durability to dependability being available. Your franchise quarterback

568
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 1: shows up each week the toughness that he has to

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Speaker 1: display to be able to make himself available, inspires and

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00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:07,880
Speaker 1: elevates his teammates. It also enables Pete Carroll to hold

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Speaker 1: him up as the role model for how we want

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Speaker 1: our Seahawks to be. And so when the head coach

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00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:17,920
Speaker 1: and the quarterback are aligned and their beliefs, your team

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Speaker 1: has the opportunity to create the culture that enables them

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Speaker 1: to win a number of games consistently. That is what

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00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:26,920
Speaker 1: I see when I see see the Seattle Seahawks. Look

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Speaker 1: outside of the special trace and all the other stuff

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00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:34,119
Speaker 1: that he displays. His toughness, his dependability and accountability that

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Speaker 1: he has to his team is something that most teams

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Speaker 1: desire in a franchise quarterback. Last thing, Buck, that's a

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Speaker 1: beautiful way he said that to me. The last thing

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Speaker 1: I'll leave you with is I mentioned that you leave

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Speaker 1: yourself little bread crumbs in your reports when you go

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00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 1: back and read them. And for those that I know,

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00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 1: we've got a lot of people that that work in

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00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 1: the recruiting space that listen to this, go back through

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00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 1: and find the clues. So I had Russell Wilson. I

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00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 1: get ended up giving him a third round grade U

589
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 1: UM had him in the second round before the senior

590
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 1: but when he checked in at five ten, I panicked

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00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 1: and dropped him. But listen to this line in my report.

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Speaker 1: Listen to this line, Buck, This is uh. I'll just

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00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 1: read you. This is the start of my report. It's

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Speaker 1: a cross check report, meaning I didn't go into the

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00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:15,959
Speaker 1: school I did him on tape. Russell's a four year

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00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 1: start at the QB position, started three years at NC

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Speaker 1: State before transferring Wisconsin's senior year. He's grossly undersized for

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00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 1: the position, but his lack of height wasn't a factor

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00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 1: in these tapes. That's literally how I started my report. Well, hey, dummy,

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Speaker 1: then why don't you keep your grade where it is

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Speaker 1: if it wasn't a factor when you were watching the tape,

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00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 1: Like that's what I'm saying, Like you always leave yourself

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00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 1: bread crumbs to figure out what happened. And that's um.

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00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 1: You know that that was a lesson that I've learned

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00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 1: at that point in time, which made it a lot

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00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 1: easier when guys like Kyler Murray come around to say, okay,

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00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 1: this guy can play. Okay, So we always learned from

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00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 1: our previous experiences and interactions and so Russell Wilson is

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00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 1: kind of the guy. I won't call him to pioneer,

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00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 1: but he paid the way for the other undersized quarterbacks

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00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 1: that has come from behind. Because remember there's this huge

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00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 1: gap between Drew Brees who was two thousand and one

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00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 1: and Russell Wilson what what whichever year Russell came about

614
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 1: two thousand and twelve and so over in eleven years

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00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 1: and also Darren Swaying six oh oh, because as Breeze

616
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 1: was six ft even at least on the card in

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00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 1: our in our draft room, and then um and Russell

618
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 1: was five ten six I believe. So in that eleven

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Speaker 1: year uh span between Drew Brees, who remember Drew Brees

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00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 1: was the second round pick despite all the numbers that

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Speaker 1: he put up there, perdue all the great things that

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Speaker 1: he did, he was dropped down to the second round

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Speaker 1: because he didn't hit the nut the mark when it

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00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 1: came to the size, and so it took the Seattle

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Speaker 1: Seahawks waiting and waiting and waiting, they take him into

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Speaker 1: third round. So then Russell Wilson plays. Russell Wilson starts

627
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Speaker 1: immediately as a rookie, his team's quickly in his career

628
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 1: go to Super Bowls back to back. So then teams

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Speaker 1: are now, okay, well, maybe I can't play with the

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Speaker 1: undersized quarterback if he does have some special trade. So

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Speaker 1: now we have seen I don't wanna see a run,

632
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 1: but we've seen more undersized quarterbacks opportunity. It's opened up

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00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 1: because Russell Wilson has been the guy who has kind

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00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 1: of been the gatekeeper because he's played so well, he's

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00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 1: allowed other guys to imagine and undersized quarterback also playing

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Speaker 1: well in their respective offenses. Well, I mean, and we'll

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00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 1: move on here, but I mean the number one quarterback

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00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 1: in the country in high school football right now, the

639
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 1: kid at modern days is under six feet. So I mean,

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00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 1: it's trickled all the way down. We're we're even, and

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00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 1: when you're at a premier high school programs, they don't worry.

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00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 1: But I don't care about hit anymore. Can you play?

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Speaker 1: Can you not play? That's the question. All right, Let's

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Speaker 1: get to the other quarterback. Going over to the San

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Speaker 1: Francisco forty Niners. A little different story there, but we

646
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Speaker 1: want to dig a little bit deeper here on on

647
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Speaker 1: their signal caller, Jimmy Garoppolo. This just into the NFL

648
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Speaker 1: Network Newsroom. Jimmy Garoppolo, we've been talking about him being

649
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 1: traded for the last two years, has indeed been traded

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Speaker 1: to the San Francisco forty Niners. Let's bring in our

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Speaker 1: insider and rappap with the latest. Well, the forty Niners,

652
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 1: who are deep in the rebuilding mode, have now acquired

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00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 1: a player they believe to be the quarterback of their future.

654
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo goes from the Patriots back up to now

655
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Speaker 1: the forty Niners in exchange for a two thousand and

656
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Speaker 1: eighteen second round pick. Well, there you go, Buck, that

657
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 1: was the trade there that got Jimmy Garoppolo to the

658
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Speaker 1: forty Niners. But I want to go back to the

659
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Speaker 1: drafting process. Here go go to what we thought of

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00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo, just to kind of refresh everybody. Jimmy coming

661
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 1: out of out of Eastern Illinois, um was somebody that

662
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 1: was in the East West Shrine Game and was by

663
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 1: far the best player there. Jumped out with the way

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Speaker 1: he played in that entire week of practice, got the

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Speaker 1: Battlefield promotion because a J. McCarron pulled out of the

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Speaker 1: Senior Bowl. So when a J. McCarron pulls out of

667
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Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl. Jimmy Garoppolo then gets to go to

668
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl mobile Alabama. We had a solid week.

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Speaker 1: Wasn't as good there, but a solid week, got a

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Speaker 1: chance to get in front of a lot of people,

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Speaker 1: and I thought really helped elevate his stock in the

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00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 1: spring coming out of the UH not a traditional powerhouse school. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So the thing about jim Garoppolo that stood out at

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00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 1: both of those All Star Games, how quick the ball

675
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 1: came out, the confidence that he had, and basically I

676
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 1: would call it, I have it written down, the cool factor.

677
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 1: I felt like he was poised. I felt like he

678
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 1: had that clutch ability that the game wasn't too big

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00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 1: for him. Even when he was moved up at the

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Speaker 1: Senior Boar to play against the top competition, he handled

681
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 1: it without looking route or didn't appear phased by having

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Speaker 1: to play against and with big time competition. Then you

683
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 1: you take it out and you look at the New

684
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 1: England Patriots and how we fit in with the New

685
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 1: England Patriot When we got the opportunity to see him

686
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 1: in preseason action, ball came out quickly, appeared to have

687
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 1: a solid grasp of their offense, added the athleticism where

688
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 1: you can make some plays um off the cuff, and

689
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 1: so you're thinking for the newpace like man, they have

690
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 1: kind of like a new school quarterback who can handle

691
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 1: the pressure of kind of playing behind Tom Brady but

692
00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 1: also maintaining his own style without trying to be Tom Brady.

693
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 1: Then you fast forward and you go to the San

694
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 1: Francisco forty Niners and you get an opportunity to see

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00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,720
Speaker 1: him play at Kyle Shanahan's system. He goes right away.

696
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 1: They have immediate success when he steps onto the field.

697
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 1: Frank snap Polo throw jams on. That is, he is

698
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 1: cooled under pressure. He runs some two minute drills, he

699
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 1: executes and wins, has some game winning drives and you

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Speaker 1: beginning to think that Jimmy Garoppolo is magical. This team

701
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:27,839
Speaker 1: doesn't lose when he is under center. And the one

702
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 1: thing that we've consistently talked about with a franchise quarterback,

703
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:35,320
Speaker 1: the franchise quarterback has to give everyone on the team hope.

704
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:39,320
Speaker 1: And because he has been so cool, so calm, he's delivered.

705
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 1: He has produced and performed for the forty Niners, and

706
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Speaker 1: even adverse situations, he has given the franchise hope and

707
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:49,279
Speaker 1: the optimism springs internal. It's one of the reasons why

708
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Speaker 1: there were so many observers that felt good about the

709
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Speaker 1: forty niners chances of eventually becoming a Super Bowl contender

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Speaker 1: with Jimmy g at the helm. Yeah, look, hope is

711
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 1: the word there. And he's brought wins. I mean his

712
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 1: you know, I don't, I know quarterback wins. People lose

713
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 1: their mind over that whole thing. But um, since he's

714
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 1: been there with the forty Niners and end the line up,

715
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 1: they've wanted a lot of football games. And I want

716
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:11,799
Speaker 1: to go back to the college thing here buck because

717
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 1: I mentioned his week down there at the East West

718
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Speaker 1: Shrine Game. Um, I actually wrote an article on the

719
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 1: five biggest winners from the East West Shrine Game. Went

720
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 1: back and looked that one up. Number one on the list.

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Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo, quarterback, Eastern Illinois. Garoppolo stood out as the

722
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 1: best player during the week of practice, and he put

723
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Speaker 1: together a strong performance during the game on Saturday. Showed

724
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 1: quick feet and a set up, lightning, quick release, and

725
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,800
Speaker 1: accuracy at all three levels. I was very impressed with

726
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 1: the command and poison he displayed in the pocket. He's

727
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 1: built up a lot of momentum heading into the Reesa's

728
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:43,360
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl. Uh, coming up on January. I don't know

729
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:44,879
Speaker 1: that it could have gone any better, and an All

730
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Speaker 1: Star setting the way you've played, you didn't get to

731
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 1: start a game. It's probably been a while since you

732
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 1: haven't started. But just tell us how you think that

733
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:51,839
Speaker 1: things went out there for you. You know, I think

734
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 1: they were well. I got in the rhythm early. I

735
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 1: mean just the receivers of me. We were in a

736
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 1: good rhythm and the old line was playing great. So

737
00:35:57,560 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 1: I mean when those big guys up fire, giving you

738
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:01,319
Speaker 1: time like that makes my job a lot easier. Now.

739
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 1: The interesting thing is the other four guys that identified

740
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 1: and have done nothing in the NFL. So one for

741
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 1: five from me, one for five for me that week,

742
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 1: But Jimmy Garoppolo quick release, quick feet, Yeah, one for five.

743
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 1: I could play for the Pods. I'm not the Dodges,

744
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 1: but for sure, but no quick feet, quick decisions. Uh,

745
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 1: quick release. That was kind of that. I just kept

746
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 1: coming back to that during his evaluation process. I think

747
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 1: we've seen some of those things that are with the

748
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:33,800
Speaker 1: forty niners. One thing I would say um that you

749
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:35,879
Speaker 1: want to see him continue to improve on. I want

750
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,360
Speaker 1: to see him just be a little more decisive and

751
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 1: crisp um with the Niners. When he gets kind of

752
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 1: some clear sight lines and he they they you know,

753
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 1: first read, you'll see him, Um, it's clean, it's beautiful

754
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 1: when he's working through progressions. I want to see him trusted.

755
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:51,919
Speaker 1: You get the number two, number three, you like it, boom,

756
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 1: let it go. Uh. There's a little bit of hesitation

757
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:56,799
Speaker 1: there with Garoppolo. I think that's something hopefully we'll get

758
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 1: ironed out over time. Yeah, I think that's something dead

759
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 1: he has to work on. The one thing that I

760
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:04,479
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know if he has I won't

761
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:06,880
Speaker 1: call it anticipation. I would call it kind of like

762
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 1: blind faith, um, that his receiver is going to get

763
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 1: to the spot and he can let it go. I

764
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 1: think there are sometimes where he misses some opportunities because

765
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:18,399
Speaker 1: he doesn't quite uh trust it fully that this guy

766
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 1: is going to get there and make the play. And

767
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 1: that is the difference between the good quarterbacks and the

768
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:25,919
Speaker 1: great quarterbacks. The great quarterbacks we've seen him. The ball

769
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:28,400
Speaker 1: is out and it somehow finds his way into the

770
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 1: hands of his receiver down the field. I would like

771
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 1: to see Jimmy Garoppolo show a little bit more of

772
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 1: that where he knows it. He knows exactly where the

773
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 1: guy is going to be and he lets it go

774
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:39,799
Speaker 1: on time. We see it on some of these routes,

775
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,399
Speaker 1: these isolation routes when he has to throw the deep

776
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 1: out or the comeback and he knows that looked as

777
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:46,719
Speaker 1: my primary read. I got the coverage that I want,

778
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 1: so I can let it go. I would like to

779
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 1: see him show those kinds of skills, uh, consistently, because

780
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 1: that is what will make him a really a great

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00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:56,840
Speaker 1: player at the next level. Al Right, Buck, let's transition

782
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 1: a little bit to how these these teams were built,

783
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 1: and we'll start with the forty Niners. UM. To me,

784
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 1: it's uh, you build championship teams in the trenches. That's

785
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 1: exactly what they've done, especially along the defensive line with

786
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 1: these neck and pick. In the two thousand NFL Draft,

787
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 1: the San Francisco forty Niners selected Nick Bosa Dalla and DJ.

788
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 1: You were telling me that scounts throughout the NFL. We're

789
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:30,360
Speaker 1: drooling over this kid from being a prospect coming in

790
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 1: and now he's in the national football Last year, you

791
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 1: remember what Sam Darnold was coming out and people were

792
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 1: critical of how he played against Ohio State. That guy

793
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 1: walking right, there's why I didn't play well. Int that geame.

794
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 1: He hit it repeatedly. He cominated while he was on

795
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 1: the football field. Needs to stay healthy. But everything I've

796
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:49,439
Speaker 1: heard is he is one hundreds and healthy and ready

797
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:53,240
Speaker 1: to go. I think they's got the best motall player

798
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 1: in this year round. Yeah, the house band was a

799
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 1: little loud that year. Last year at the draft, a

800
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 1: little bit little noisy, but buck that was the latest

801
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 1: first round pick for the forty niners. And now when

802
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 1: you look at that defensive front, they got five first

803
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:09,360
Speaker 1: round picks up front. DJ. You have to invest in

804
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:11,359
Speaker 1: where your priorities are, man and you have to invest

805
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 1: in where you think the best way to build your

806
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:17,880
Speaker 1: team to be a champion. And we've talked about it repeatedly,

807
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 1: Like the Marquee positions on most team building processes, somewhere

808
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 1: pass rusher is important inside or outside. You have to

809
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 1: have guys that can affect the quarterbacks. So if the

810
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 1: quarterback is the first piece, the second piece of the

811
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 1: puzzle is a dominant pass rush because you have to

812
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 1: knock him off to Mark. And what the forty Niners

813
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:37,320
Speaker 1: have done this is some of this is before the

814
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:41,400
Speaker 1: John Lynch areas. They've invested in the defensive line. Eric Armstead,

815
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 1: the Forrest Buckner, Solomon Thomas, Nick Bols all first round picks.

816
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 1: When they made the move to acquire of Reason and

817
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 1: and and get d Ford, they were able to get

818
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 1: another first round pick. Um. So when you think about

819
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 1: the collective talent that is in that room, being able

820
00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 1: to have blue chip players at every under those positions,

821
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 1: and knowing that the natural competitor that each of these

822
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 1: guys have inside of them, they're going to push and

823
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 1: elevate each other because it's a race to get to

824
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 1: the quarterback. The forty Niners, in my mind, are built

825
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:16,879
Speaker 1: in the vision in which John Lynch saw his own

826
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 1: personal success in Tampa Bay. When you go back and

827
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:22,479
Speaker 1: look at the Tampa Bay Buccaneers teams, they were able

828
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 1: to win the one that was the most dominant warrantsap

829
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:28,720
Speaker 1: see me in Rice. They were able to dominate upfront.

830
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 1: The easiest way to play great defense is to be

831
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:33,799
Speaker 1: able to win with your D line, so you can

832
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:36,919
Speaker 1: play maximum coverage behind it. The San Francisco forty Niners

833
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 1: are one of the few teams that are allowed or

834
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 1: are able to do it with their d line, just

835
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 1: running twisting games up front without really needing to blitz

836
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 1: and add extra rushers. It really makes them very, very

837
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 1: difficult to go against because they have maximum coverage, but

838
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 1: they also have a maximum rush because their guys are

839
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 1: just better than your guys up front. Now, they've invested

840
00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 1: heavily in that defensive line. When you look at their

841
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 1: top twenty who snap leaders offense defense here? So the

842
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 1: top twenty two, um how they were acquired ten of

843
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 1: them in the draft, uh, nine through free agency and waivers,

844
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:11,879
Speaker 1: and three through trade. So when we go through the draft,

845
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 1: we talked about the first rounders, but you find any

846
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 1: good team and when you're sitting there a top of

847
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 1: the division, we know the four Nighters are good football team.

848
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:20,400
Speaker 1: The first rounders um a lot of impact there with

849
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:22,799
Speaker 1: those defensive linemen. But outside the first round, you get

850
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 1: George Kittle in the fifth round. Uh. Fred Warner, who

851
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 1: had a huge game against the Seahawks is really one

852
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 1: of the better off the ball linebackers right now. He

853
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 1: was a third round pick Uh green Law had a

854
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 1: pick last night. He was last year he was a

855
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 1: fifth round pick. We've seen Deebo Samuel come on early.

856
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 1: He's a second round pick. So finding some guys outside

857
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:42,320
Speaker 1: the first round. They've done a good job there. And

858
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 1: then um to me, Buck, when you look at at

859
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 1: undrafted free agents, a couple of key ones there, Matt

860
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 1: Breeda who's been a good player for him, Kendrick Bourne

861
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 1: has been a solid contributor. So finding some guys after

862
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 1: the draft, and then if we go to the other

863
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 1: two categories free agency. You know Robbie Gould didn't play

864
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 1: that ball team, but that's an excellent pickup with the

865
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 1: kicker Kyle use Check. Remember when Kyle you Check was signing,

866
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:07,240
Speaker 1: everybody gave them grief for how much they paid a fullback,

867
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 1: but that was them knowing exactly how they were going

868
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 1: to use them. They had a plan for m uh

869
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,319
Speaker 1: and it was a big hit there with uth Check.

870
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:17,360
Speaker 1: And then I think we touched on Garoppolo obviously with

871
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 1: the trade there, but a couple more DeFord you mentioned uh,

872
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 1: Emmanuel Sanders this year coming over and lake In Thomlinson

873
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 1: who has been a starter. So using all the avenues

874
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 1: to build your team. Yeah, I think that's a common denominator.

875
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 1: I think you have to be able to UH use

876
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 1: all forms of team building that are available to you.

877
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 1: So some of that has draft to develop. Some of

878
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 1: that is being able to look at the waiver wire

879
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 1: and figure out what guys best fit your system and

880
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:45,759
Speaker 1: then using free agency or the trade UH market to

881
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 1: be able to I guess feel the biggest holes on

882
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 1: your roster. San Francisco Fortys have been able to use

883
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 1: all aspects of building their squad and it's one of

884
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 1: the reasons why they are sitting right now at the

885
00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 1: top of the NFC because they have a very, very

886
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 1: complete team, a team that doesn't have a lot of

887
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 1: glaming weaknesses when you look at them, and I believe

888
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:06,880
Speaker 1: I'm doing this right. Three first rounders on the offensive

889
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:10,319
Speaker 1: line as well, so you've got both tackles Staley and mcglinchee,

890
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 1: and then the trade for lake in Thomlinson who was

891
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 1: a first round pick with Detroit. So that's that's common denominator.

892
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 1: The common denominator. The foundation has to be in tag.

893
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:21,319
Speaker 1: We talked about building the house. The house is built

894
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 1: in the trenches and so you right then, are talking

895
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 1: eight first round picks between the starting offense and defensive lines. Uh,

896
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 1: it's not a It's not a coincidence that they able

897
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 1: to dominate by running the ball and also by getting

898
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 1: after the past, because that's what the trench play allows

899
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 1: you to do. All right, Let's let's switch over to

900
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 1: the Seattle Seahawks and how they built their roster. And man,

901
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 1: tell you what in the draft outside the first round,

902
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 1: they've been money with the sixty nine pick in a

903
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 1: two thousand and fifteen NFL draft, the Seattle Seahawks. So

904
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:59,439
Speaker 1: let Tyler Locket, wide receiver, Kansas State. I love this kid,

905
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 1: absolutely love this kid. He can play inside, he can

906
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:05,320
Speaker 1: play outside. Do you only knock on him his size

907
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 1: double mottle, See, I'm gone. He's one of those guys

908
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 1: that both quick and fast. He is a perfect guy

909
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 1: for Seattle. There you go, Mayak talking about the selection

910
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 1: there Tyler Lockett in the third round and Buck I

911
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 1: mentioned outside the first round. Let me give you, first

912
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 1: of all, big picture with their roster doing the same

913
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:28,240
Speaker 1: thing we do with Seattle. Um of their top twenty

914
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 1: two leaders and snaps here you've got thirteen through the draft. Uh,

915
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:34,359
Speaker 1: so three more than the Niners thirteenth of the draft,

916
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:37,440
Speaker 1: six through free agency and waivers, and three via trade.

917
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:40,400
Speaker 1: So same number of guys in the trade avenue, but

918
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 1: a little bit a little bit more there in the draft.

919
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 1: And I go outside the first round with some of

920
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 1: these names. Let me give you the names outside the

921
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:48,880
Speaker 1: first round. K J. Wright fourth rounder, Bobby Wagner, second rounder,

922
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson, third rounder, Lockett, third rounder Jaren Reid who

923
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:55,280
Speaker 1: had a big game of the night. Uh. Second rounder

924
00:44:55,320 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 1: Shaquille Griffin, third rounder, Chris Carson, their lead back, seventh rounder. Uh,

925
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:02,880
Speaker 1: you know, Trade Flowers playing a lot of football for them,

926
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 1: fifth rounder Metcalf second rounder. I mean that is a

927
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:08,879
Speaker 1: lot of impact players they found outside the first round.

928
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 1: And you know why it works with m DJ. It

929
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 1: works because they have a developmental plan where everyone is

930
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 1: in agreement, the personnel staff and the coaches agree and

931
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 1: how they want to develop their players. Meaning that uh,

932
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 1: some of the success that we're seeing from the Seahawks. Uh,

933
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 1: it's not only draft and developed, it's just quite frankly developed.

934
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 1: They developed their players. Um, they put them on the

935
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 1: practice field, they have a plan for developing them and

936
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:37,400
Speaker 1: then more importantly, they put them in games. You alluded

937
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:39,879
Speaker 1: to Pete Carroll's and his time back at SC where

938
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 1: he would throw the freshman in with the starting unit

939
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 1: to see if they could swim in the deep water,

940
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 1: and they found out, oh, some of these guys can

941
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 1: swim where. It's the same way that they go about

942
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:53,359
Speaker 1: their business in Seattle, undrafted, drafted, It doesn't matter how

943
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 1: you come in. If you're a guy that has the

944
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:57,759
Speaker 1: potential to play, they put you on the field to

945
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 1: see if you can play. And then not only do

946
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 1: they put you on the field and see if you

947
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 1: can play, but each and every day they work with

948
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:08,800
Speaker 1: you individually to develop you. From a fundamental standpoint, what

949
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 1: the Seattle Seahawks do offensively and defensively isn't complex because

950
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 1: of the simplicity and what they do from a schematic standpoint,

951
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:21,879
Speaker 1: they spend most of their time working on fundamentals. Where

952
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 1: when you work on fundamentals in the National Football League,

953
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 1: when everyone else is worrying about scheme, your players get better.

954
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:32,359
Speaker 1: And so we see the evolution of these players who

955
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 1: were good athletes because we talked about athleticism and instincts,

956
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 1: now they being developed. So now they have skill mastery.

957
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:42,800
Speaker 1: Now you're seeing their really good players pop, like the

958
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 1: Richard Sherman who became a really good player out of nowhere,

959
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 1: goes on becomes a key member of their defense. Now

960
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 1: it's in San Francisco. But the examples we've seen on

961
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 1: and on and on and on where the Seattle Shaks

962
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 1: have been able to develop their own players and their

963
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 1: players become stars within their city them because dear real,

964
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 1: within this system, they learn to fundamentals and they're really

965
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 1: good players playing in a very simple scheme that works

966
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 1: for them. One of the things you just hit on

967
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:12,720
Speaker 1: it is so good, Buck is um. This team hasn't changed.

968
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 1: So they have an identity, They know what works, they

969
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 1: know what they want, and that doesn't change. You want

970
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 1: to talk about having roster retention and having a chance

971
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:24,279
Speaker 1: to to build a long sustained program, Well, you keep

972
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 1: things the same and that way people don't fall out.

973
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:29,719
Speaker 1: You get new coaches, new schemes come in all of

974
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 1: a sudden. These three or four guys were good players previously,

975
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 1: but that they don't really fit us, So you end

976
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:35,239
Speaker 1: up losing some of them and you're constantly having to

977
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:38,439
Speaker 1: replace and rebuild and restack there's none of that there.

978
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 1: They they've been doing the same system, looking for the

979
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 1: same traits, the same core values and players for so

980
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 1: long that when players leave the organization it's because they

981
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 1: don't want to resign them or that it's time for

982
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:52,759
Speaker 1: them to move on. It's not because they don't fit um.

983
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:56,239
Speaker 1: And that is a huge advantage the consistency, uh that

984
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 1: you have there with with this scheme. And and I

985
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:01,319
Speaker 1: do want to talk about the trades here for a second,

986
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:03,319
Speaker 1: and we can get to the big one we saw

987
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 1: have an impact the other night, because this has been

988
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 1: huge for their team. What they've been able to do

989
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:10,959
Speaker 1: in the trade market, none bigger than Mr Clowney. Breaking

990
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 1: news from the NFL Network newsroom, the Seahawks have acquired

991
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 1: pass rusher Jadeveon Clowney. According to NFL Network insider Ian Rappaport,

992
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 1: Clowney on the franchise tag this season. He was reluctant

993
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 1: to sign that tag until he found a destination he liked.

994
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 1: And here are the reported details from NFL Network insider

995
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:33,799
Speaker 1: Ian Rappaport regarding the trade. The Texans will get third

996
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:37,360
Speaker 1: round eight third round draft pick next year. Linebacker Jacob

997
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:40,840
Speaker 1: Martin as well as linebacker bar kivous Mingo. In exchange

998
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 1: for that, the Seahawks will acquire former first overall pick

999
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 1: of Jadeveon Clowney. As much as I loved by the

1000
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 1: way Houston acquiring Larry tounso, boyd, I hate this trade. Uh,

1001
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 1: that was a gift. They just gave a gift, um

1002
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:57,799
Speaker 1: to the to the Seattle Seahawks. But buck um, talk

1003
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 1: about impact players, They've got a couple there, not only Clowney,

1004
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:04,319
Speaker 1: but Dwayne Brown, same team from Houston, who who really

1005
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:06,320
Speaker 1: this is a terrible offensive line when he came in

1006
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 1: and really helps solidify and hold down the fort there

1007
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 1: at left tackle. Um. And then uh, you know a

1008
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:13,279
Speaker 1: couple other trades with with Hollister and Digs, but the

1009
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 1: two big ones, uh Clowney and Brown. And we I

1010
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:19,359
Speaker 1: feel like we keep hitting this theme right trenches. Um,

1011
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:22,279
Speaker 1: you invest in the trenches. Sometimes you can do it

1012
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:24,360
Speaker 1: with the draft, and that they've been able to do

1013
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 1: it with trades. They have been able to do it

1014
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:29,319
Speaker 1: with chase trades. And I'm gonna say this because knowing

1015
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 1: John Snyder personally, John Snyder used to work with the

1016
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 1: Green Bay Packers. He was one of the guys that

1017
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:36,360
Speaker 1: picked me up from the airport when I first was

1018
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:39,239
Speaker 1: acquired there. Um, he obviously said at the knee of

1019
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:41,880
Speaker 1: ron Wolf and ron Wolf had a very similar philosophy.

1020
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 1: Go and get what you need. Evaluate your roster constantly,

1021
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 1: look and see where the strength and weaknesses are. See

1022
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:52,480
Speaker 1: if you maybe can pawn off a surplus in your

1023
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 1: strength area to feel your weaknesses. What the Seattle Seahawks

1024
00:49:56,680 --> 00:50:00,919
Speaker 1: have done consistently throughout this peak, Carroll Johnson not an era.

1025
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:03,879
Speaker 1: They've been able to identify where they're lacking and they

1026
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 1: trade what they need to trade to go and get it.

1027
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 1: Years ago, we saw him trade from Marshawn Lynch. Marshawn

1028
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 1: Lynch became the bell cow to that running game. He

1029
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 1: was the identity of that offensive tack and it worked

1030
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:16,440
Speaker 1: the other They went to two super Bowls with him.

1031
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:20,719
Speaker 1: We saw them last year need an offensive tackle. They

1032
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 1: trade off what they needed to get Dwayne Brown. He

1033
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:27,799
Speaker 1: solidified the offensive line. They go to the playoffs this year, Look,

1034
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 1: Frank Clark departs. They you know, they don't have what

1035
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 1: they necessarily need as a pass rusher. They're gonna get Okay,

1036
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 1: But Jadeveon Clowney was didn't big. Yeah, Jadeveon Clowney was

1037
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 1: the big swing and they were able to get him

1038
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 1: at a discount Because it's Houston, Texas decided to pay

1039
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 1: half of his salary. The Seattle Seahawks are not afraid

1040
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:52,840
Speaker 1: to swing big for what they need. They give up picks.

1041
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 1: They know that draft picks can be reacquired because they

1042
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 1: did it years ago and they've landed big time player

1043
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:02,880
Speaker 1: is that have been immediate contributors. There is something to

1044
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 1: being able to identify what you need and being willing

1045
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 1: to go and get it. To see have shown a

1046
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 1: willingness to go and get what they need. Can I

1047
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 1: give you my one team building philosophy here. One thing

1048
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 1: that I would definitely take with me, um is every

1049
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 1: draft I would I would have a trade and say, um,

1050
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 1: I'm going to come out of this draft with an

1051
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:27,880
Speaker 1: extra third round pick next year. And that extra third

1052
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 1: round pick we will not we will not use, but

1053
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 1: that is our trade deadline chip that I'm gonna acquire.

1054
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 1: So when we're picking in this current draft that I'm

1055
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 1: picking in the second round, I'm picking in the first round,

1056
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 1: and I want to slide back a handful of spots

1057
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:42,399
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna get a third round pick. I'm gonna say, Okay,

1058
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 1: that third round pick that goes in that, that goes

1059
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 1: in the little uh, the piggy bank over there, because

1060
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:48,360
Speaker 1: that's gonna be what I'm gonna use next year to

1061
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 1: acquire a player. And I promise you the chances that

1062
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 1: you're gonna get a better player you know, can play

1063
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:57,279
Speaker 1: an existing player, um with that, with that third round

1064
00:51:57,400 --> 00:51:59,239
Speaker 1: choice is much greater than the fact you're gonna hit

1065
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:01,759
Speaker 1: on that third round pick uh the following year. So

1066
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 1: to me, I think, you know, Schneider's in a nice

1067
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 1: job of constantly almost every year you see him trade

1068
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:08,239
Speaker 1: back acquire picks. It's not only the quire picks to

1069
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 1: make to pick them, it's acquiring picks for assets when

1070
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:13,920
Speaker 1: you get to the trade deadline, and everybody else in

1071
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 1: the NFL is a little bit, for some reason, a

1072
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:18,439
Speaker 1: little bit afraid to part with a third round pick

1073
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:21,279
Speaker 1: for Clowney. And You're sitting here going, this is a bonus, man,

1074
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:23,359
Speaker 1: I've already had. I've saved up this third round pick

1075
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:25,919
Speaker 1: to go shopping, and now I'm gonna use it. Yeah,

1076
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:28,439
Speaker 1: the DJ that's very smart. I mean it's it's really

1077
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 1: really smart because you understand how guys value these draft picks. Right,

1078
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:35,279
Speaker 1: like the unknown it has more value than the known

1079
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:37,880
Speaker 1: um even though it should be flipped the other way around.

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00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 1: I believe we've seen uh the last year, so we've

1081
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 1: seen more teams um deal for known commodities as opposed

1082
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:48,239
Speaker 1: to hold it onto these picks and what could be

1083
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:50,759
Speaker 1: down the line. And you're right because we see it

1084
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 1: every year. People think that because I have more draft

1085
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:55,960
Speaker 1: picks and ensures that we're going to get better players,

1086
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:58,400
Speaker 1: and it doesn't. If I know that I need a

1087
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:00,359
Speaker 1: pass rushing and I have the ability need to get

1088
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:03,920
Speaker 1: a pass rusher who has proven who I've seen get

1089
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:06,399
Speaker 1: to the quarterback in the National Football League, I'm gonna

1090
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:08,400
Speaker 1: give up something to get him. Yeah, I gotta make

1091
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 1: sure that he fits how we want to play in

1092
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:14,280
Speaker 1: our scheme. But I am willing to give up stuff

1093
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 1: to get a known commodity. I think you should always

1094
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 1: keep the piggy bank full of a couple of draft

1095
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:22,879
Speaker 1: picks to be able to get a known player at

1096
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:26,120
Speaker 1: the right value as he gets closer to the trade deadline. No, no,

1097
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:28,200
Speaker 1: all right, let's get let's get to these two team

1098
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:30,440
Speaker 1: builders here. Uh. I talk a little bit about Snyder there.

1099
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 1: We'll get to him in a second. Let's start off

1100
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:35,080
Speaker 1: with the forty Niners and the man in charge, John Lynch.

1101
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:37,719
Speaker 1: Don't let him pull you with this pump. We get

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00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:42,080
Speaker 1: to our landmarks tax that. Let's threaten first down Cham

1103
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:44,759
Speaker 1: from the forty five can pump faking? Look you do

1104
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:48,040
Speaker 1: us right thing to it right something Dexter jockson on

1105
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 1: forty to fifty, he's forty five. Jackson Jackson pass two

1106
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:58,359
Speaker 1: deck start de star told you about it. I told

1107
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:02,440
Speaker 1: him it's not non safe sex dout right before the staff.

1108
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:05,839
Speaker 1: But slugo col right coming at you from the NFL

1109
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:09,840
Speaker 1: Network newsroom with breaking news. Former safety and Stanford along

1110
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:13,320
Speaker 1: John Lynch has been named as the new general manager

1111
00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:16,839
Speaker 1: of the San Francisco forty Niners. And with that being said,

1112
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:19,879
Speaker 1: let's now turn our attention to rap sheet Ian Rappaport. Now, Ian,

1113
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:22,440
Speaker 1: word on the street is that his deal of the

1114
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 1: six year variety? What more can you tell us about this? Yeah?

1115
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:28,279
Speaker 1: The forty Niners had two second interviews this week with

1116
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:31,360
Speaker 1: general manager candidates Harry Donny You of the Arizona Cardinals

1117
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:33,840
Speaker 1: and George Payton from the Minnesota Vikings. But there was

1118
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:37,399
Speaker 1: always take third candidate, a mystery candidate who would only

1119
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:39,440
Speaker 1: agree to take part in the interview process if his

1120
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:43,960
Speaker 1: name remained completely secret. And we now know that candidate

1121
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:47,879
Speaker 1: was John Lynch, the former Broncos great and of course

1122
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:50,399
Speaker 1: the Fox analysts, who has spent a lot of time

1123
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 1: over the last week trying to get out of his

1124
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:56,320
Speaker 1: Fox deal several complications with that out of nowhere, John

1125
00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 1: Lynch expected to be named the forty nine general manager.

1126
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 1: You heard it there, John Lynch um his Hall of

1127
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:06,560
Speaker 1: Fame finalists with an outstanding playing career, UH, mainly there

1128
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 1: with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Obviously, Um did his thing

1129
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:11,279
Speaker 1: with the Denver Broncos as well as a brief stent

1130
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:14,360
Speaker 1: there with the New England Patriots. UM, but then was

1131
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:17,920
Speaker 1: in the broadcast booth with Fox before he decided to

1132
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:21,680
Speaker 1: UH to pursue the general manager position with the forty

1133
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 1: Niners and Buck Um you heard you heard that Super

1134
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 1: Bowl bite there with him telling Um his teammate about

1135
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 1: where that ball was gonna go and and the slugo

1136
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:33,640
Speaker 1: scene was coming. He saw it. He's obviously got a

1137
00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:36,600
Speaker 1: great reputation um for a brilliant mind in the game

1138
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:38,320
Speaker 1: of football. But it's a different role. It's a different

1139
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:39,920
Speaker 1: job when you go into the front office. We've seen

1140
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:42,400
Speaker 1: other people try it, it hasn't worked out. The one

1141
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:45,719
Speaker 1: thing I would just say, having visited with Mayak just

1142
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:48,440
Speaker 1: last a week before the Raider Charge a game, we

1143
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:51,440
Speaker 1: talked for like an hour, and he mentioned how beneficial

1144
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:54,040
Speaker 1: it was for him to have been in all these

1145
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 1: buildings to talk to all these team builders. While so

1146
00:55:57,239 --> 00:55:59,800
Speaker 1: many general managers get hired, they have their experience and

1147
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:02,360
Speaker 1: or two organizations and they can take what they like

1148
00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:05,359
Speaker 1: best from those one or two organizations. Max like man,

1149
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:06,920
Speaker 1: I got to see the you know all, I got

1150
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:09,000
Speaker 1: to see all thirty two buildings, and so instead of

1151
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:11,239
Speaker 1: pulling from one or two organizations, I had a chance

1152
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 1: to pull from a lot of organizations cherry pick which

1153
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:18,640
Speaker 1: processes and which which avenues of building teams and building

1154
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:20,840
Speaker 1: your department that he liked best. And I think that

1155
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:22,880
Speaker 1: was a huge asset for him, And I think an

1156
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:25,279
Speaker 1: underrated aspect there, with John Lynch being so familiar with

1157
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:29,319
Speaker 1: the entire league. I do believe that's an underrated aspect um.

1158
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:33,839
Speaker 1: I think one thing that is always kind of talked about,

1159
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:36,839
Speaker 1: but we we never really understand because they're they're um

1160
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:40,720
Speaker 1: pros and cons to the evaluation is the former player

1161
00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:44,920
Speaker 1: turned executive because we've seen it, and we we've seen

1162
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 1: it good and bad. We've seen Ozzy Newsom become one

1163
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 1: of the best team builders. You obviously worked up under him.

1164
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:52,880
Speaker 1: He was able to parlay his experience on the field

1165
00:56:53,239 --> 00:56:57,320
Speaker 1: into a long scouting career before he became the general manager.

1166
00:56:57,520 --> 00:56:59,920
Speaker 1: We've seen it in other ways. John Elway goes from

1167
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:02,840
Speaker 1: the field to the front office, didn't really have a

1168
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:05,759
Speaker 1: lot of experience as an executive. It worked out to

1169
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:07,839
Speaker 1: him to a point where he has won a Super Bowl,

1170
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:10,520
Speaker 1: but he also has had some of his struggles when

1171
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:14,759
Speaker 1: it comes to drafting and evaluating and keeping his team

1172
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:19,000
Speaker 1: consistently competitive. And John Lynch. I think what's interesting is

1173
00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:21,600
Speaker 1: John Lynch goes from the field to the front office,

1174
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:23,920
Speaker 1: but I think what he did to kind of buffer

1175
00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:26,959
Speaker 1: himself is he surrounded himself with a great supporting cast.

1176
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:30,160
Speaker 1: We talked about Adam Peters, who is a lifelong scout

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00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:31,919
Speaker 1: who has been in the game for a long time,

1178
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 1: who has been able to take some of the hard

1179
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 1: scrapple lessons that you get on the road to have

1180
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:41,480
Speaker 1: a voice in that building. John has also surrounded himself

1181
00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:43,360
Speaker 1: with some former players who have also been in a

1182
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:46,680
Speaker 1: scouting business for a long time. Martin Mayhew has been

1183
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:49,520
Speaker 1: a long time NFL executive after playing for the red

1184
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:53,360
Speaker 1: Skins and the Buccaneers. Ran Carthon who played in the

1185
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:56,440
Speaker 1: league and has been an executive for a few different teams.

1186
00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 1: And so what you have is this mix of experience

1187
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:01,800
Speaker 1: where you have some guys in the room who have

1188
00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:04,440
Speaker 1: kind of played it and they may be more of

1189
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:07,160
Speaker 1: a paint by field. Then you have some other guys

1190
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:09,880
Speaker 1: who kind of underskinned the business because they grew up

1191
00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:12,320
Speaker 1: from a grassroots level and have been in it. But

1192
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:16,400
Speaker 1: with all of that experience in the different perspectives, it

1193
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:18,840
Speaker 1: has worked for the forty Niners. It is one of

1194
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:21,680
Speaker 1: the things that I really admire about how the forty

1195
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:25,000
Speaker 1: Niners have put together their front office. There is enough

1196
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:28,320
Speaker 1: differing opinions and differing experience that when you do have

1197
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:31,120
Speaker 1: these tough conversations, you can look at it from a

1198
00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:33,720
Speaker 1: few different angles and try and make the best decision

1199
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:37,959
Speaker 1: that works for the franchise absolutely, and you mentioned Adam

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00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:40,240
Speaker 1: Peters by the way, free free piece of advice the

1201
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 1: Denver Broncos. Just go ahead and bump John L. Way

1202
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:45,480
Speaker 1: up to a president's role. Hire Adam Peters to come

1203
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:47,240
Speaker 1: in and be the general manager and try and fix

1204
00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:50,240
Speaker 1: fix that football team would be my first order of business. Uh,

1205
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:52,200
Speaker 1: Peters will be He'll be a general manager here within

1206
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:54,960
Speaker 1: the next twenty four months. He's outstanding. Um. You see

1207
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:57,120
Speaker 1: the job they've done there with the forty Niners. Um

1208
00:58:57,240 --> 00:58:59,200
Speaker 1: On Lynch Buck when I was when I was in college,

1209
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:01,240
Speaker 1: used to work out with you On Lynch Uh, Tony

1210
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:03,240
Speaker 1: Bosell and these guys all worked out together up in

1211
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:06,480
Speaker 1: the North County in San Diego. UM. And the way

1212
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:08,920
Speaker 1: the way he prepared to play as long as he did,

1213
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:11,480
Speaker 1: And think about how physical he played, um, and the

1214
00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:15,960
Speaker 1: length of his career he obviously knew UM, discipline, tough,

1215
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:18,920
Speaker 1: took care of himself. UM. And I think a lot

1216
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:20,919
Speaker 1: of those those habits that he had as a player,

1217
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:23,160
Speaker 1: he's tried to identify in the players they've brought in

1218
00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:26,320
Speaker 1: uh to their organization. And Uh, Um, I think you

1219
00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:28,680
Speaker 1: mentioned that Tampa. You know that Tampa team that he

1220
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:31,200
Speaker 1: was on trying to recreate that there. I think there's

1221
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:33,600
Speaker 1: definitely something to that, and um, he's done a very

1222
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:37,200
Speaker 1: nice job there. Um all right, the uh, we've talked

1223
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:39,880
Speaker 1: about the team builders here. Let's get over to the

1224
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:42,720
Speaker 1: other one. Let's get over to John Schneider here with

1225
00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:45,320
Speaker 1: the Seahawks football. If yet as it come down and

1226
00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:49,840
Speaker 1: then pick off by the stay off four timeline is

1227
00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:55,640
Speaker 1: gonna got I's done a touch of cutbacks on dead defense.

1228
00:59:55,960 --> 01:00:00,240
Speaker 1: They do it again? Holy catmis all right. We talked

1229
01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:03,240
Speaker 1: plenty about about schnyder Buck already and how he's built

1230
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:05,800
Speaker 1: this team. Uh, just real quick, you mentioned your experience

1231
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:08,320
Speaker 1: with him. Um, I'd love to see if you just

1232
01:00:08,440 --> 01:00:11,160
Speaker 1: had any type of a story, a little note there

1233
01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:12,720
Speaker 1: you could share with us on Schneider and you know

1234
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:15,480
Speaker 1: his background. He obviously came up through the ranks there

1235
01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:17,600
Speaker 1: in Green Bay where you spent some time with him. Yeah,

1236
01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:20,080
Speaker 1: I got great stories on John Snyder. John Snyder is

1237
01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:23,439
Speaker 1: responsible for extending my career, not only as a player,

1238
01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:26,320
Speaker 1: but get me started as a scout. As a player, Um,

1239
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:28,600
Speaker 1: I was a wide receiver drafted by the Buffalo Bills.

1240
01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:31,440
Speaker 1: I spent a year there. Um I was cut going

1241
01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:34,440
Speaker 1: into my second season, and the first workout I had

1242
01:00:34,520 --> 01:00:36,600
Speaker 1: was with the Green Bay Packers. I worked out as

1243
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:39,240
Speaker 1: a wide receiver, but halfway through that workout, Ron Wolfe

1244
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:42,240
Speaker 1: asked me to backpedal and run some dB drills. I

1245
01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:45,400
Speaker 1: had never played dB. I may played maybe five or

1246
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:47,960
Speaker 1: six snaps in high school as a defensive back, but

1247
01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:52,960
Speaker 1: my experience pretty much primarily was always on offense. Every

1248
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:56,840
Speaker 1: week on Tuesday, John Snyder would call and asked how

1249
01:00:56,960 --> 01:00:59,600
Speaker 1: you doing. Are you would you consider making a move

1250
01:00:59,720 --> 01:01:02,040
Speaker 1: A We think you could be a nice nickelback. And

1251
01:01:02,160 --> 01:01:04,920
Speaker 1: so this took place for about nine weeks. Finally, in

1252
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:08,360
Speaker 1: week fifteen of that season, they bring me in. I'm

1253
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:10,720
Speaker 1: coming in to be a defensive back, but I'm gonna

1254
01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:13,440
Speaker 1: make that conversion in the off season. But John Snyder,

1255
01:01:13,600 --> 01:01:17,400
Speaker 1: through his persistence, um and his needling kind of nudged

1256
01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:19,840
Speaker 1: me to make a positions which which really helped me

1257
01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:21,800
Speaker 1: play longer in the National Football League and learned the

1258
01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:25,600
Speaker 1: game differently. Second story, I go to Kansas City, he

1259
01:01:25,720 --> 01:01:28,440
Speaker 1: picks me up. Um he's the pro director there. I

1260
01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:30,360
Speaker 1: played for him obviously. I continue to go on and

1261
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:32,560
Speaker 1: play for the Oakland Raiders. I am now done and

1262
01:01:32,640 --> 01:01:37,080
Speaker 1: retired in nine, I'm considering a career in scouting. I

1263
01:01:37,160 --> 01:01:39,880
Speaker 1: have an opportunity to go interview with the Philadelphia Eagles.

1264
01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:43,160
Speaker 1: I called John Snyder to get advice on what I

1265
01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:45,760
Speaker 1: should do to prepare for that interview. He tells me,

1266
01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:49,000
Speaker 1: hold on, I may have an opportunity with the c Shalls.

1267
01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:51,640
Speaker 1: If I have that opportunity, I'm gonna bring you there

1268
01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:56,120
Speaker 1: to interview from one of our regional scouting positions. Lord behold,

1269
01:01:56,160 --> 01:01:58,360
Speaker 1: he gets the job. He brings me up there to interview.

1270
01:01:58,600 --> 01:02:01,720
Speaker 1: I eventually get the job, and my scouting career starts

1271
01:02:02,120 --> 01:02:05,480
Speaker 1: at the knee of John Snyder, Scott mccleohan, and Ted

1272
01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:09,360
Speaker 1: Thompson because of my relationship with John Snyder. Learned so

1273
01:02:09,480 --> 01:02:13,040
Speaker 1: much about the game from those guys from that experience,

1274
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:15,280
Speaker 1: and all of it kind of stems from the wisdom

1275
01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:19,000
Speaker 1: of Ron Wolf. So yeah, a lot of the philosophies

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01:02:19,080 --> 01:02:21,040
Speaker 1: that I see with the Seattle Sharks are the same

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01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:24,160
Speaker 1: philosophies that I saw and learned from Ron Wolf during

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01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:27,440
Speaker 1: the Green Bay Packers draft and developed. Don't be afraid

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01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:30,000
Speaker 1: to be bold to get what you need, put the

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01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:33,200
Speaker 1: best players on the field, and always this is something

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01:02:33,280 --> 01:02:36,920
Speaker 1: that they typically did in Green Bay. Always near the

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01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:39,560
Speaker 1: end of the season. See if you can find a

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01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:42,680
Speaker 1: veteran player that you can add to the roster. That

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01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:45,640
Speaker 1: experience matters when you get into these big games in

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Speaker 1: the postseason. We have seen these guys add players like

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Speaker 1: a Josh Gordon. You want to have that X factor

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01:02:53,200 --> 01:02:55,600
Speaker 1: that might he might just show up to make a

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01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:59,120
Speaker 1: player too. That's the deciding factor. All of those things

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01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:02,720
Speaker 1: stem from our time together in Green Bay. And what

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01:03:03,240 --> 01:03:05,760
Speaker 1: the lessons John Sider learn from working with one of

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01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:08,400
Speaker 1: the best in rend Wolf was great stories. Buck. I mean,

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Speaker 1: uh sustained success. He came from a place in Green

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Speaker 1: Bay where they had that long, sustained run. Now he's

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01:03:14,680 --> 01:03:17,080
Speaker 1: done the same thing in Seattle. I love it when

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Speaker 1: you have a tried and true formula that works and

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Speaker 1: UH and John Schneider definitely has that. And plus bonus

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Speaker 1: points for being uh for being Bucky's mentor there. So

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Speaker 1: how about the little bonus love there from from the

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Speaker 1: movie six podcast. I love hearing those stories. All right,

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Speaker 1: let's get to these coaches here. Couldn't be any different,

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01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:34,360
Speaker 1: you know. Kyle Shanahan thirty nine years old, Pete Carroll

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01:03:34,440 --> 01:03:37,480
Speaker 1: six eight years old, Pete the the oldest coach in

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01:03:37,560 --> 01:03:41,120
Speaker 1: the NFL. But but what they do, it works, And

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01:03:41,320 --> 01:03:44,360
Speaker 1: we can start here with Pete Carroll. There's one one

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01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:46,320
Speaker 1: is we can get right here. Boys, go Tyler, go Tyler,

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01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:57,640
Speaker 1: Go tall him, Goot vote him Pete. You hear the

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Speaker 1: energy there. Might be the oldest coach in the league,

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01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:01,680
Speaker 1: but he is about thirty when it comes to his

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01:04:01,880 --> 01:04:05,400
Speaker 1: energy level. Uh buck. I think the fascinating thing about

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01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:07,480
Speaker 1: Pete and we've talked a lot about how they have

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01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:11,320
Speaker 1: a scheme and and a prototype for what they look

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01:04:11,360 --> 01:04:13,000
Speaker 1: for and players. He had it at USC, has carried

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01:04:13,040 --> 01:04:16,080
Speaker 1: it to Seattle, knows exactly what he wants. I think

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01:04:16,160 --> 01:04:18,280
Speaker 1: it's a compliment. What do they say, imitation is the

1315
01:04:18,320 --> 01:04:20,919
Speaker 1: greatest form of flattery. When you look around the league

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01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:23,760
Speaker 1: with these two coaches, and if we kind of use

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01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:28,320
Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan because of his dad, Mike Shanahan, how many

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01:04:28,360 --> 01:04:30,720
Speaker 1: teams in the NFL are running Pete Carroll's defense and

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01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:33,000
Speaker 1: how many teams in the NFL are running Kyle Shanahan's all.

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Speaker 1: Uh that to me tells you all you need to

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01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:38,280
Speaker 1: know about the respect these two men have. Yeah, look

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01:04:38,520 --> 01:04:41,800
Speaker 1: well respected. Look didj we we we've talked about, um

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01:04:42,200 --> 01:04:44,640
Speaker 1: my high school stuff. UM, I can tell you that

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01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:48,640
Speaker 1: I've been greatly influenced and impacted by Pete Carroll um

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01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:51,160
Speaker 1: in terms of just watching how he's been able to

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01:04:51,200 --> 01:04:54,520
Speaker 1: build teams, not only sc but with Seattle, where when

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Speaker 1: you look at them, they're competitive, but man, it looks

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01:04:57,720 --> 01:05:00,320
Speaker 1: like they have a ton of fun and I think

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01:05:00,520 --> 01:05:03,960
Speaker 1: everybody can kind of relate or want to be a

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01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:06,280
Speaker 1: part of that. He goes about it in a different

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01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:09,800
Speaker 1: fashion than some, uh, hard nosed coaches. He believes in

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01:05:09,880 --> 01:05:12,680
Speaker 1: empowering his players. He makes it fun for them. They

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01:05:12,760 --> 01:05:16,200
Speaker 1: win at a high level, and they always embrace the

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01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:19,120
Speaker 1: big stage, and I think that's something that it takes

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01:05:19,160 --> 01:05:22,800
Speaker 1: a lot of confidence, a lot of um courage to

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01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:24,840
Speaker 1: know that. Look, it's a player's game. MY job is

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01:05:24,880 --> 01:05:26,680
Speaker 1: to put the players in the best position to make plays,

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01:05:26,680 --> 01:05:28,160
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna get off the way, I'm gonna step

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01:05:28,200 --> 01:05:30,880
Speaker 1: back and let them do their deal. Pete Carroll has

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01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:33,040
Speaker 1: done that, and it's one of the reasons why I

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01:05:33,160 --> 01:05:37,040
Speaker 1: think you see his players play with such a fearlessness

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01:05:37,240 --> 01:05:39,560
Speaker 1: in the moment. It's the reason why we see Russell

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01:05:39,600 --> 01:05:42,400
Speaker 1: Wilson make these big plays because he's not afraid to

1344
01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:44,800
Speaker 1: make a mistake. And he also knows that if I

1345
01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:47,320
Speaker 1: make a mistake, I might have an opportunity to make

1346
01:05:47,360 --> 01:05:49,360
Speaker 1: amends for it. And we saw that happen in the

1347
01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:51,840
Speaker 1: Monday night game through her interception at the end of overtime,

1348
01:05:51,880 --> 01:05:54,240
Speaker 1: gets another opportunity, goes down and make some play. I

1349
01:05:54,360 --> 01:05:57,880
Speaker 1: think he wouldn't have that courage and fearlessness without playing

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01:05:57,920 --> 01:06:00,520
Speaker 1: for a coach that allows him to play through these mistakes.

1351
01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:03,360
Speaker 1: I wrote down E P A when I when I

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01:06:03,480 --> 01:06:05,800
Speaker 1: think of Pete Carroll and his strategy on e p

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01:06:05,960 --> 01:06:09,360
Speaker 1: A energy passion, aggression. Uh, that to me is a

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01:06:09,440 --> 01:06:11,560
Speaker 1: lot of what you just said right there, Buck, and

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01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:15,040
Speaker 1: that he's always attacking. I can remember those USC teams.

1356
01:06:15,080 --> 01:06:16,800
Speaker 1: You go back and watch those USC teams. I know

1357
01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:19,720
Speaker 1: they were dominant, but this is before this was something

1358
01:06:19,800 --> 01:06:22,080
Speaker 1: that analytics told you you should do. I can remember

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01:06:22,120 --> 01:06:24,880
Speaker 1: those those SC teams third and two on their own

1360
01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:26,840
Speaker 1: or fourth and two on their own, thirty go for it,

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01:06:27,160 --> 01:06:29,720
Speaker 1: you know, fourth and one. Uh, in the first quarter,

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01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:34,480
Speaker 1: go for it like he always was, just aggressive, ultra aggressive.

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01:06:34,520 --> 01:06:37,160
Speaker 1: Some people say he's a risk taker. Now it's empowerment. Man,

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01:06:37,520 --> 01:06:39,880
Speaker 1: He's just showing his team he believes in him and

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01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:42,960
Speaker 1: the team. The team took on his personality in terms

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01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:44,960
Speaker 1: of the energy and the passion that they played with

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01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:47,440
Speaker 1: um and I just think those were the three things

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01:06:47,520 --> 01:06:49,440
Speaker 1: that really stood out to me about Pete Carroll. Well,

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01:06:49,480 --> 01:06:51,200
Speaker 1: I mean, he's one of the best coaches that that

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01:06:51,320 --> 01:06:53,000
Speaker 1: we've seen in the national football like and I think

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01:06:53,040 --> 01:06:55,560
Speaker 1: he's learned from those failures that happened early in his

1372
01:06:55,640 --> 01:06:57,920
Speaker 1: career in New England. In the Jets goes to se

1373
01:06:58,120 --> 01:07:00,280
Speaker 1: figure it out, has a formula that makes see the

1374
01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:03,520
Speaker 1: perennial power in college football takes the same formula putting

1375
01:07:03,560 --> 01:07:06,000
Speaker 1: in place in Seattle. After struggling a little bit at

1376
01:07:06,040 --> 01:07:09,520
Speaker 1: the start, we've seen this team. This team consistently compete

1377
01:07:09,560 --> 01:07:12,480
Speaker 1: not only for playoff first but compete to be a

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01:07:12,560 --> 01:07:16,439
Speaker 1: Super Bowl winner. And so with Pete Carroll, I think

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01:07:16,800 --> 01:07:20,160
Speaker 1: what we have learned is that the developmental model works.

1380
01:07:20,200 --> 01:07:22,280
Speaker 1: That you can develop your players, you can practice hard,

1381
01:07:22,360 --> 01:07:24,400
Speaker 1: you can do all these things while still making it fun,

1382
01:07:24,920 --> 01:07:28,280
Speaker 1: and you can win with a young team. He has

1383
01:07:28,360 --> 01:07:31,360
Speaker 1: one with a young team that's energetic. You talked about

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01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:35,280
Speaker 1: the e P A energy, passion, aggressiveness. He has being

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01:07:35,360 --> 01:07:37,520
Speaker 1: up to do it, and as I think he might

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01:07:37,600 --> 01:07:39,880
Speaker 1: be the oldest coach in the National Football League. You

1387
01:07:39,920 --> 01:07:41,480
Speaker 1: wouldn't tell it by the way that he kind of

1388
01:07:41,520 --> 01:07:44,480
Speaker 1: bounces around on the sideline. That is something that we

1389
01:07:44,600 --> 01:07:46,880
Speaker 1: don't see most guys do. He is comfortable in his

1390
01:07:46,960 --> 01:07:49,880
Speaker 1: own skin and because of that, his players are comfortable

1391
01:07:49,920 --> 01:07:53,440
Speaker 1: in their own skin, their feelers, and they're unafraid, no doubt. Um,

1392
01:07:53,600 --> 01:07:55,680
Speaker 1: let's get over to the other coach there, and Kyle Shanahan.

1393
01:07:56,360 --> 01:08:03,880
Speaker 1: Great John, Oh God, great job, great drive fellas hell. Yeah,

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01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:08,080
Speaker 1: there's a lot of celebration with him having dialed up

1395
01:08:08,080 --> 01:08:11,440
Speaker 1: perfect plays. Buck. Um, He's just he's a brilliant mind.

1396
01:08:11,440 --> 01:08:13,320
Speaker 1: You talk to anybody that's played form and been around him,

1397
01:08:13,320 --> 01:08:16,559
Speaker 1: they there's like an awe that you hear when they

1398
01:08:16,640 --> 01:08:18,759
Speaker 1: talk about Kyle Shannon. You don't hear about other coaches

1399
01:08:18,760 --> 01:08:21,680
Speaker 1: that there's nfls filled with smart people. Um, but man,

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Speaker 1: I don't know that anybody in the NFL will say

1401
01:08:24,040 --> 01:08:26,080
Speaker 1: somebody smart than Kyle Shanahan, just in terms of how

1402
01:08:26,160 --> 01:08:29,880
Speaker 1: he sets up a game plan and how he calls plays. Yeah. Look, man,

1403
01:08:30,040 --> 01:08:33,240
Speaker 1: I have a tough time finding a better play call

1404
01:08:33,320 --> 01:08:35,839
Speaker 1: that than Kyle Shanahan when you talk to defensive coordinator,

1405
01:08:35,840 --> 01:08:37,760
Speaker 1: as they called him, a stone cold killer when it

1406
01:08:37,800 --> 01:08:39,720
Speaker 1: comes to a play caller. He does a great job

1407
01:08:39,840 --> 01:08:42,880
Speaker 1: of creating these compliments in the passing game to go

1408
01:08:43,040 --> 01:08:46,400
Speaker 1: with the running game and his creativity. We we talked

1409
01:08:46,400 --> 01:08:48,479
Speaker 1: about the passing game because most of the most of

1410
01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:51,640
Speaker 1: us judge offensive coordinated by what they do in the

1411
01:08:51,680 --> 01:08:54,960
Speaker 1: passing game. But his creative creativity in the running game

1412
01:08:55,040 --> 01:08:58,160
Speaker 1: is what blows my mind. Um the free snap movement,

1413
01:08:58,400 --> 01:09:01,040
Speaker 1: the shifts, the motions, uh, the way that he is

1414
01:09:01,120 --> 01:09:03,680
Speaker 1: able to kind of put you in a bind defensively

1415
01:09:03,880 --> 01:09:07,599
Speaker 1: while running the same six core running plays is brilliant

1416
01:09:07,640 --> 01:09:10,920
Speaker 1: and there's something to his simplicity with the exotic stuff

1417
01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:15,519
Speaker 1: around it. Cal Shanahan remains consistently one step ahead of

1418
01:09:15,560 --> 01:09:17,600
Speaker 1: the policy, and I think that's a credit to his

1419
01:09:17,720 --> 01:09:20,920
Speaker 1: acumen and to just his overall intelligence. When it comes

1420
01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:23,479
Speaker 1: to putting together an offensive game plan. He has something

1421
01:09:23,560 --> 01:09:26,080
Speaker 1: that works and everything builds off of that, and he

1422
01:09:26,160 --> 01:09:28,360
Speaker 1: can give you different formations and motions and try and

1423
01:09:28,520 --> 01:09:30,600
Speaker 1: dress everything up. But it's really some core things he

1424
01:09:30,680 --> 01:09:33,040
Speaker 1: believes in. But it's a little subtleties to me that

1425
01:09:33,200 --> 01:09:35,240
Speaker 1: that stand out when you watch them on tape. Buck, Like,

1426
01:09:35,320 --> 01:09:38,120
Speaker 1: I'm watching that game, this game on tape, and when

1427
01:09:38,160 --> 01:09:40,240
Speaker 1: you're when you're back there in the gun and you've

1428
01:09:40,280 --> 01:09:43,240
Speaker 1: got the back and then all of a sudden, just

1429
01:09:43,439 --> 01:09:45,880
Speaker 1: a couple a couple of counts before the snap, he

1430
01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:48,160
Speaker 1: just starts shuffling to his right because he's just running

1431
01:09:48,200 --> 01:09:50,320
Speaker 1: a flat and he's gonna give himself a better angle

1432
01:09:50,560 --> 01:09:52,680
Speaker 1: to be able to leverage a linebacker who's gonna have

1433
01:09:52,760 --> 01:09:55,320
Speaker 1: in coverage. It's just those little little teaching points to

1434
01:09:55,400 --> 01:09:57,400
Speaker 1: me that that make a difference. And I think the

1435
01:09:57,520 --> 01:10:00,799
Speaker 1: the attention to detail, um, that's some the Kyle Shanahan

1436
01:10:00,840 --> 01:10:03,360
Speaker 1: that's his calling card. Look, that is his calling card.

1437
01:10:03,520 --> 01:10:07,080
Speaker 1: He does a great job of creating favorable angles for

1438
01:10:07,320 --> 01:10:09,760
Speaker 1: his players being in the running game or the passing game,

1439
01:10:10,040 --> 01:10:13,240
Speaker 1: and then the misdirection action that he uses in the

1440
01:10:13,320 --> 01:10:16,479
Speaker 1: passing game to doalop these big plays. There are things

1441
01:10:16,520 --> 01:10:19,600
Speaker 1: that you're like, man, this concept is unbelievable, Like in

1442
01:10:19,800 --> 01:10:21,680
Speaker 1: terms of the way he sneaks to tight end out

1443
01:10:21,720 --> 01:10:23,640
Speaker 1: the back door and then he goes up the sideline

1444
01:10:23,880 --> 01:10:26,519
Speaker 1: off of play action fake and throws back. And these

1445
01:10:26,600 --> 01:10:30,160
Speaker 1: plays when they hit. They hit for big plays, chunk plays,

1446
01:10:30,479 --> 01:10:34,479
Speaker 1: and so it's kind of the control chaos that I call.

1447
01:10:34,600 --> 01:10:37,479
Speaker 1: Their offense is controlled in terms of it's a deliberate,

1448
01:10:37,680 --> 01:10:41,799
Speaker 1: physical running game, but the exotic compliments in the passing

1449
01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:45,080
Speaker 1: game blow your mind. As a defensive coordinator, no doubt,

1450
01:10:45,360 --> 01:10:47,479
Speaker 1: he's done a phenomenal job there, and he's made good

1451
01:10:47,520 --> 01:10:49,240
Speaker 1: staff hires as well, show and he knows how to

1452
01:10:49,280 --> 01:10:51,960
Speaker 1: build out staff there on the defensive side of the ball.

1453
01:10:52,240 --> 01:10:54,880
Speaker 1: Um position, coaches, you name it, done a beautiful job

1454
01:10:55,200 --> 01:10:58,040
Speaker 1: of building that coaching staff. All right, man, this has

1455
01:10:58,080 --> 01:11:01,000
Speaker 1: been a deep dive in a an episode on two

1456
01:11:01,160 --> 01:11:03,479
Speaker 1: powerhouses in the NFC. Everything you need to know about

1457
01:11:03,520 --> 01:11:06,040
Speaker 1: them in terms of how they've built their team. Um, alright,

1458
01:11:06,080 --> 01:11:07,680
Speaker 1: we have do this more often. We'll find out big

1459
01:11:07,720 --> 01:11:09,439
Speaker 1: game later in there. Maybe we do the same thing again.

1460
01:11:09,520 --> 01:11:12,240
Speaker 1: But uh, fun man, take a little deep dive. Yeah,

1461
01:11:12,280 --> 01:11:15,160
Speaker 1: it's outstanding talking about these two teams. I think when

1462
01:11:15,200 --> 01:11:16,960
Speaker 1: you look at these teams, we can talk about them

1463
01:11:17,040 --> 01:11:19,880
Speaker 1: being built the right way, draft and developed, make trades

1464
01:11:19,920 --> 01:11:23,200
Speaker 1: to give marquee players, have good coaches, developed the players,

1465
01:11:23,479 --> 01:11:26,479
Speaker 1: and more importantly, don't be afraid, uh to put the

1466
01:11:26,560 --> 01:11:29,200
Speaker 1: ball in your best players hands. These teams do that,

1467
01:11:29,240 --> 01:11:32,120
Speaker 1: which is why they sit atop the NFC. Well, I

1468
01:11:32,200 --> 01:11:34,240
Speaker 1: hope you've enjoyed this. If you have, do us a favor,

1469
01:11:34,360 --> 01:11:36,360
Speaker 1: go to Apple Podcast leave us a little review in

1470
01:11:36,400 --> 01:11:38,519
Speaker 1: a rating there. We do appreciate it. If you have

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01:11:38,560 --> 01:11:40,360
Speaker 1: any questions for us, you can drop them in those

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01:11:40,439 --> 01:11:43,240
Speaker 1: reviews and we will answer them on Thursday podcast as

1473
01:11:43,320 --> 01:11:46,320
Speaker 1: we go through the remainder of the season. Thank you

1474
01:11:46,400 --> 01:11:48,840
Speaker 1: guys so much for listening. Thanks big thanks to to

1475
01:11:48,880 --> 01:11:50,960
Speaker 1: be Able putting a lot of this work in on

1476
01:11:51,080 --> 01:11:54,479
Speaker 1: this podcast. Um, who we got. We've got Bartlett, We've

1477
01:11:54,520 --> 01:11:57,080
Speaker 1: got Kent, We've got Mark Brady at the top of it,

1478
01:11:57,280 --> 01:11:59,519
Speaker 1: We've got uh. I always like to thank Singer even

1479
01:11:59,560 --> 01:12:00,960
Speaker 1: though we didn't have a guest on this episode, just

1480
01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:04,000
Speaker 1: because I like the guy, even though he's a Dodger fan. Um. Anyways,

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01:12:04,080 --> 01:12:05,320
Speaker 1: anything else you want to app before we get out

1482
01:12:05,320 --> 01:12:07,200
Speaker 1: of here? Buck, No, man, It's terrific. I love these

1483
01:12:07,280 --> 01:12:09,439
Speaker 1: kind of projects. Anytime we have an opportunity to kind

1484
01:12:09,439 --> 01:12:12,240
Speaker 1: of pop up the hood and see how these teams

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Speaker 1: are built, that is always in my wheelhouse. I love

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Speaker 1: doing these team building things. That's gonna do it for us.

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Speaker 1: He's Bucky Brooks. I'm Daniel Jeremie. Will catch you next time,

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Speaker 1: right here on the sticks.