1 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:06,360 Speaker 1: The Around the League podcast has been linked to report. 2 00:00:10,440 --> 00:00:13,040 Speaker 1: Welcome back to another edition of the Round the League podcast. 3 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 1: My name is Dan Hans's name, joined by a room 4 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 1: filled with heroes, Chris Westling, Mark Sessler, and Greg rosa dolt. 5 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:22,600 Speaker 1: What up, boys, Let's pick it up. Danny usually come 6 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 1: with a little more tempo. But now you're in my 7 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 1: head a little bit. What's the issue? There is no issue. 8 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:35,200 Speaker 1: Hashtag blessed, hashtag rise and grind Well Dan Shift started 9 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 1: today before ten in the morning, so he's tough. Um 10 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 1: I'm in at six tomorrow, by the way, six am, 11 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:45,639 Speaker 1: so I'm all over the map. I'm the utility man 12 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 1: of the schedule. Everybody knows this hashtag a t L 13 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 1: mail bag which people should use the gold standard behind 14 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 1: the glass our producer, Zach Goldman, how are you, buddy? 15 00:00:56,840 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 1: Doing great? Thanks for the full name intro. Yeah, um Man, 16 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 1: we call the gold standard. We should tell our listeners 17 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 1: to use the hashtag a t L mail bag on 18 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:07,319 Speaker 1: Twitter and send us questions and every once in a 19 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 1: while we'll answer them absolutely. Zack usually so Genteel came 20 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 1: with some Packers Patriots trash time today was I was 21 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:17,760 Speaker 1: just surprised because he's always such a nice guy. And 22 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 1: then he just walks by, points at the Packers Patriots 23 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 1: Super Bowl replay going on right now. He's a Packers fan, 24 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 1: he knows my fan, and he's just like, you like 25 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 1: this game, joy this one. How do you really hurt 26 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 1: a Patriots fans feelings? He's excuse me, three super bowls 27 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 1: post this. I think I think only Giants fans can 28 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:40,400 Speaker 1: truly hurt a Patriots fan to be a Packers fan 29 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:44,559 Speaker 1: via Oxford, England. Uh So, my first grade teacher lived 30 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 1: next door to Sean Jones. Oh, I didn't have a 31 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 1: I didn't have a team at that point. So she 32 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 1: lured me to the the dark side of the The 33 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 1: first great teacher that lured you somewhere I would like 34 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 1: to probably a great choice of words. Just now that's great. Um, 35 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 1: all right, well that's up. We'll sign off on that. Alright, 36 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 1: big show. Today, we are going to uh go through 37 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 1: our list. We'll go back down into the lab. It's 38 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 1: that time of year to do plenty of laboratory work 39 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 1: with a scientists and go through best free agent fits. 40 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 1: We're gonna kinda each of us are gonna grab two 41 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 1: names off the list. And kind of pontificate Is that 42 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 1: the right word. Yeah, today we are all scientists. Well, 43 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 1: I think Dan and I obviously lab partners. Well you guys, 44 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:30,359 Speaker 1: haven't you guys have been studying and you did well 45 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 1: on your final exam, and it's it's time to give 46 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:34,800 Speaker 1: you a promotion. So we'll be doing that. We're gonna 47 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:37,799 Speaker 1: have a little conversation about Jimmy Graham that maybe we'll 48 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 1: get West riled up. A big part of the show 49 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:42,240 Speaker 1: is getting West riled up. We're hoping that will happen. 50 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 1: I haven't had a good rant in a few weeks. 51 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 1: But we'll start as we almost always do, the gold 52 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 1: standard with some news. Alright, we start in Seattle, where 53 00:02:56,320 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 1: Brandon Browner's indefinite suspension from the NFL is over. Uh, 54 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:02,799 Speaker 1: the cornerback still will miss the start of the two 55 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 1: thousand fourteen season. He will be suspended four games and 56 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 1: then we'll have to pass up four more game checks 57 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:13,359 Speaker 1: after that, but ultimately he's surprisingly in the mix now 58 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 1: with free agency around the corner. If I'm Brandon Browner, 59 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 1: I'm like, maybe I'll just be suspended eight games if 60 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna get paid for four of them. Just 61 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:24,920 Speaker 1: keep me out. I don't want to play for free, 62 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 1: give me a break. Yeah, but that strategy would affect 63 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 1: his signing potentially. Sure that works for free agents. I 64 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 1: guess that's not an option, but that is that is weird. 65 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 1: You're a little bit more down on Browner than West 66 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 1: and I are. I think, well, yeah, let's talk about 67 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 1: where we where he fits as a free agent. Before 68 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 1: they do that, though, let's talk about how Brandon Browners 69 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 1: set down the Shadowy League figures and live to tell 70 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 1: the tale. Maybe this is a lesson for all of 71 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 1: us here and behind the Glass Act. Whenever things start 72 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 1: to get Harry just doubled down. Maybe the Shadowy League 73 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 1: figures aren't so bad. No, we should not do that. 74 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 1: So basically Dan saying, if the next time some sort 75 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 1: of dispute comes up with the superior threatened to sue 76 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 1: the living daylights out of them, which I believe was 77 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 1: the quote from Browner's agent, and that was the last 78 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:22,160 Speaker 1: we heard of him. And uh, the next time we 79 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 1: hear from them, he's back. So it works an interesting strategy. 80 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:27,359 Speaker 1: You'll have to keep note of that. I don't like 81 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:32,920 Speaker 1: that strategy. Uh, I'm surprised this No one expected Browner 82 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:35,280 Speaker 1: to be reinstated, but he had a strong case. It 83 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 1: had to do apparently with when he was in the CFL, 84 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:41,039 Speaker 1: missing drug tests and whatever it was. We don't know 85 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:44,160 Speaker 1: all the details. Clearly, the NFL listened and they came 86 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:47,039 Speaker 1: to a compromise and now he'll be back. So you 87 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:51,360 Speaker 1: guys think he's a difference maker, Mark No. I think 88 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 1: you talked about how always out for four games, and 89 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 1: that's a big issue for me. I look back on 90 00:04:56,800 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 1: last season where Kronkowski was out for a long period 91 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 1: of time, Crabtree was out, von Miller was out. These 92 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:07,279 Speaker 1: guys for a team that's gonna sign him Browner and 93 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 1: Adam as a sort of a final piece in the 94 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:12,720 Speaker 1: defensive backfield and a playoff type team, it's fine to 95 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 1: not have a guy for a month. He's also not 96 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:16,839 Speaker 1: at that level of those three names you're brought up. 97 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:18,160 Speaker 1: I'm not saying he is, but I don't have a 98 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:21,039 Speaker 1: big problem with missing a guy who's a contributor for 99 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:22,840 Speaker 1: the first month of the season. That's all I think 100 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 1: people do. Forget that. Entering this past season, he was 101 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 1: viewed as a legitimate member of the Legion of Boom, 102 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 1: and it was only after his suspension that people started 103 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:33,480 Speaker 1: to kind of pile on on the guy and say 104 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:36,720 Speaker 1: that he was really no good anyway. I mean he 105 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:39,920 Speaker 1: was struggling. Unfair he was struggling in two thousand and thirteen, 106 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 1: but there were a lot of injuries involved. The point is, 107 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 1: you know, yes, he's not a young guy, but he's 108 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:47,280 Speaker 1: not old either. I mean, he could end up being 109 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:51,119 Speaker 1: a low cost, high upside guys for somebody which isn't 110 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:54,680 Speaker 1: young for a cornerback. Uh. And I think he made 111 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:56,600 Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl his first year in the NFL after 112 00:05:56,640 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 1: coming from the CFL because he had six interceptions, two 113 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 1: hundreds something yards on those interceptions, and two touchdowns, so 114 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 1: he was on the highlight reel. He was making big plays. 115 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:08,720 Speaker 1: But I think the lesson here is that you can 116 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:13,160 Speaker 1: stick anybody in that defensive backfield opposite Sherman with Earl 117 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:16,119 Speaker 1: to Orl Thomas covering your bases and they're gonna play well. 118 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:19,480 Speaker 1: And they coached him up exactly. I think Seattle Seahawks 119 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:23,160 Speaker 1: defensive backs right now are like New England Patriots wide 120 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 1: receivers from the middle of the last decade. You don't 121 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 1: want to sign them when they go away from New 122 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:29,839 Speaker 1: England or else. You're gonna get a big steaming pile 123 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:33,160 Speaker 1: of David Gibbons or Dion Branch or David Patton. And 124 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:36,920 Speaker 1: that's what Brown is gonna be. Gus Bradley is gonna sky. 125 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:38,719 Speaker 1: I agree with Mark. I would look for the Jags 126 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 1: maybe to snatch him up. Interesting news out of Buffalo 127 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:46,839 Speaker 1: where Aaron Williams signed a four year, twenty six million 128 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 1: dollar deal really interesting because of his partner in the 129 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 1: secondary there, gyros. Bird is ready to leave town and 130 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:55,479 Speaker 1: they didn't use the franchise tag and then they go 131 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 1: and they lock up Aaron Williams. Isn't this a little odd? No, 132 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 1: I think it makes sense. It means that, despite what 133 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 1: a bill source told NFL media insider Ian Rabbitport, this 134 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 1: is totally related to Bird. They want Williams to play 135 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 1: center field back there. I would imagine he's a former cornerback. 136 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 1: He was drafted as a cornerback, so he's best he's 137 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:18,239 Speaker 1: best suited to that coverage role anyway. So you're saying 138 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 1: someone would lie to Ian Rappaport, I'm saying in the NFL, 139 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 1: if you're not you're not trying. I think it's a 140 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 1: little Upstate New York good cop, bad cop scenario where 141 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 1: it's we're not gonna play with bird here. He's gonna 142 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 1: make it hard hard for us. So we're gonna go 143 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 1: take your teammate, probably a guy that you text and 144 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 1: hang out with a lot, in the position him and 145 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 1: just give him a nice new have a nice day. 146 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 1: We call this pool on the Pittsburgh Steelers, Mike Wallace, 147 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 1: you don't want our contract, We're given it to Antonio. 148 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 1: That worked that well, kind of like Carlos dun laughed 149 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 1: to last year with the Bengals. But if I'm a 150 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 1: Bills fan, it's annoying because, hey, we can't afford and 151 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 1: we don't want to pay the guy who is one 152 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 1: of the very best at his positions, So let's take 153 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 1: the b give him a decent contract and keep him around. 154 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 1: Bills fans have been annoyed since pre nine eleven, so 155 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 1: it's just more of this. This is kind of Bill's 156 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 1: type of move, a cheap move. Sure, so that's a 157 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 1: bad move, then, I think so, well, I don't know, No, 158 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 1: I don't know if Aaron Williams is bad on his 159 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 1: own merit, but you hate to see someone that's better 160 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 1: at the position. Leave when you're underwhelming. Bow and Luke 161 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 1: Duke aren't even in Buffalo anymore, and they're still making 162 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 1: these kind of moves. And mark as a native of 163 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 1: the state of New York, upstate New York. There are 164 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 1: you said, good cops, bad cops, Some bad cops up there. 165 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:38,320 Speaker 1: You guys are from up state New York. I was 166 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:41,319 Speaker 1: born there, but I don't like to think of Rockland Counties. 167 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 1: But I was born in Rochester, Mark not too far 168 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:48,200 Speaker 1: far from Canada. Did Niagara Falls? Did you guys know? 169 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 1: Stills fans referred to Chan Gailey and Buddy Nix has 170 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:56,200 Speaker 1: Bow and Luke Duke. I didn't know that. Moving on. 171 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 1: The Pittsburgh Steelers had a busy Wednesday on the same 172 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:03,559 Speaker 1: is laughing about that to himself for a minute before 173 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 1: he made a joke, and a minute after four o'clock 174 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 1: this after day, and none of us knew what he 175 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:11,199 Speaker 1: was laughing at. We just let it go. Some things 176 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 1: are perfect together, like salt and pepper, peanut butter and jelly, 177 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:20,720 Speaker 1: Chris Westling and dukes of hazard um that is dukes 178 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 1: of hazard right, correct, Come on the chips, No, it 179 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:31,319 Speaker 1: was not chips was patrol. This is where the generational 180 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 1: divide come in. Yes, yeah, so I had it right, 181 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 1: So get off. Well you quickly hopped to another franchise 182 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:45,960 Speaker 1: hashtag get off moving great? What are you saying something? No, 183 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 1: there was a generation divide that was like the forty 184 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 1: and over divide. We could talk full house if that's 185 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 1: more comfortable. I know, I know my full house gold standard. 186 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:58,560 Speaker 1: I can guarantee he didn't know what you were talking about. No, 187 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 1: I was blank, but full house I can standard. Were 188 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:05,680 Speaker 1: you even tend when the when the Jessica Simpson version 189 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 1: of Duke's and HANSWERD came out, that was in fact. Yeah. 190 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:15,239 Speaker 1: The Pittsburgh Steelers Pittsburgh Steelers had a busy day on Wednesday. 191 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 1: In addition to handing out contract extensions to Troy Palamalu 192 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 1: and Heath Miller, the team also released long time linebacker 193 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 1: Larry Foote, offensive tackle Levi Brown, and cornerback Curtis Brown. 194 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 1: Just kind of housekeeping for Dave Damashuk's team. Correct, just 195 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 1: freeing up roster salary cap space. Well, it's keeping Palamalo around. 196 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 1: That was a decision they had to make. This is 197 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 1: the one we expected. It's nice to see. I mean, 198 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 1: don't you like it when players like Troy Plo Malo 199 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 1: have a chance to stay with the same team. And 200 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 1: it was a little dodgy there. I think if he 201 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:50,959 Speaker 1: didn't stay healthy this last year, they would have cut him. 202 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 1: But he had no kay year, played sixteen games. Well 203 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 1: look he was fired good here. Well you could have 204 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 1: seen it if if Larry foot and Palmlo switched. Roles 205 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 1: Foots the one that got hurt early in the year. 206 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 1: He was one of the best players on defense in 207 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:06,560 Speaker 1: two thousand twelve, gets hurt early in two he gone 208 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 1: and felt nothing surprising. How to Pittsburgh, they are in 209 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 1: terrible cap hell there right now. I think about eleven 210 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 1: point six over and I think they're not done making moves. Yeah, 211 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 1: everyone thinks they're cutting Lamar Woodley, Chris and I aren't. 212 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 1: Chris has brought me around to the side that maybe 213 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 1: they do keep him around. What do they have to you? 214 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:32,440 Speaker 1: It would be great Steelers fan that you pay Lamar 215 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 1: Woodley to go away and then he makes the Pro 216 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 1: Bowl and in another uniform I put him with put 217 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 1: him in since with uh, he's had a bad couple 218 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 1: of years. I know that they think he's been overweight 219 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:45,960 Speaker 1: and hasn't been in shape, and hasn't lived up to 220 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:50,200 Speaker 1: his contract. But he's arguably the best talent. I said, arguably, 221 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 1: he's probably the best talent on that side of the 222 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 1: ball right now. I've made a strong stance against the 223 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:57,840 Speaker 1: word arguably down in the newsroom. I I'm happy Wesselina 224 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:01,840 Speaker 1: taking it to heart. Would the is a guy that 225 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:05,319 Speaker 1: I think it's misunderstood. If he's cut now, you can 226 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 1: still give him the post June first designation, but it 227 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:12,080 Speaker 1: doesn't really help your cap situation in the short term. 228 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:13,960 Speaker 1: So why not see what he looks like in the 229 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 1: off season. Is he motivated? Is he back in shape? Yeah? 230 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:20,440 Speaker 1: Maybe give him a shot. Big news, West, You're gonna 231 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:24,720 Speaker 1: enjoy this one. Chris Johnson tweeted today that the talks 232 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:28,080 Speaker 1: with the Tennessee Titans about his contract situation. We're doing this. 233 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:31,839 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Oh, we're doing it. Talks are to stand still, West. 234 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 1: So just so you know, I know downstairs you you 235 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 1: thought it was very important that we did this story 236 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 1: both on the website and talked about on the podcast. 237 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 1: Chris Johnson might be back with Tennessee, but he doesn't know, 238 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:46,200 Speaker 1: and neither do we Well, it's nice to have an 239 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:48,320 Speaker 1: update on the no update that we've had the for 240 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 1: the last three months on his status. Nothing has changed, 241 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 1: But this is the NFL news business we live in. 242 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 1: In order to keep up with the Joneses. Whenever somebody 243 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:59,960 Speaker 1: tweets nonsense that means nothing, we have to write about 244 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:01,439 Speaker 1: it to keep up with the other whib Is this 245 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 1: like your Jerry McGuire moment where you look it's we've 246 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 1: bemoaned the fact that who's coming with me and today's 247 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:13,679 Speaker 1: NFL news coverage. We don't get an offseason because there's 248 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:15,960 Speaker 1: all these news we have to write about, and we 249 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:19,320 Speaker 1: could change this. We are the instrument of change. When 250 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 1: Chris Johnson tweets there's no update, you know what that is. 251 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:25,679 Speaker 1: That's a hint to all NFL writers. Don't write about 252 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:28,840 Speaker 1: me today, there's no update. Be the change you want 253 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:35,960 Speaker 1: to see in the world. He was. We're just layering 254 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:37,960 Speaker 1: on the inside jokes that none of our listeners have 255 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:41,319 Speaker 1: any idea what's happening. Well, we were told to combine. 256 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 1: There are some people from other sites that listen to 257 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 1: this podcast. I would like to make a pact right now. Guys. 258 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:50,360 Speaker 1: When people say nothing when it's obviously not news. Let's 259 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 1: stop making it into news. Dan loves writing about Chris Johnson, 260 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 1: and he was into writing this post. I for one, 261 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 1: it wasn't going to stand in his way. It was 262 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:05,319 Speaker 1: the update is that there is no update, which is 263 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 1: actually an update when this close. I think we should 264 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:11,680 Speaker 1: do this for everyone. But I do look update, Andy 265 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 1: Dalton is still the Bengals quarterback. Right words on it, 266 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 1: get paid? Yes, come on Violet the right headline, Chris. 267 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 1: I think that post could work the Dalton post do well. 268 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 1: I think if you want to make it as a 269 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 1: jumping off piece, I'm all for that. But let's not 270 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 1: just follow every bread crumb laid down by athletes on Twitter. Alright, 271 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 1: while he made a stand, and we're happy you did. 272 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 1: And I'm glad I brought it up in the studio. 273 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 1: I like that you didn't tell anyone you were going 274 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:50,040 Speaker 1: to bring that up. It was like a sneak attack. 275 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 1: All right. So this is not that is the end 276 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 1: of the news um. This is a top it's semi news, 277 00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 1: but I want to kind of bring it up independent 278 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:01,119 Speaker 1: of the news um within the stru uxture of this podcast. 279 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 1: Uh A Packers official told Mike we talked about Jimmy 280 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 1: Graham a little bit on Friday. I believe it was, 281 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 1: and Wes you had said that you were. I said, 282 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 1: if I was running the Packers, I would at least 283 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 1: consider the option, knowing that they haven't drafted well in 284 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 1: the late first round, of giving up two first round 285 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 1: picks for a difference maker like Jimmy Graham, Well, that's 286 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 1: very interesting because Mike Freeman Bleacher Report spoke to some 287 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 1: people on this topic about Graham and now that the 288 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:30,280 Speaker 1: Saints have put the non exclusive franchise tag, is it 289 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 1: possible someone would go after Graham and free agency. If 290 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 1: you signed Graham to a contract, not only would you 291 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 1: have to pay in the money, but you would also 292 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 1: surrender two first round picks to the Saints. Um two 293 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 1: interesting quotes. One is from a a f C general 294 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 1: manager unnamed said I think the only player is more 295 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 1: valuable than Jimmy Graham are three or four quarterbacks. That's it, 296 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 1: which I thought was very interesting. And then a Packers 297 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 1: official told Freeman that the idea of giving up that 298 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 1: much for its tight end was quote dumb beyond dumb. 299 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 1: Ellipses won't happen. I feel like he was speaking directly 300 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 1: to me, I hope. So it's interesting. First of all, 301 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 1: I don't know who that a f C general manager is. 302 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 1: He'll probably be fired within six well, I know, I 303 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 1: felt that it was potentially someone like Dave Gettleman or 304 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 1: an opposing NFC South GM saying listen, just call me 305 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 1: an a f C GM, but let's drive the price up. 306 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 1: Let's get things going. But honestly, the only the Packers 307 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 1: do make some sense because one of the three or 308 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 1: four quarterbacks that would be valued above Jimmy Graham is 309 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 1: on the Packers. If you aren't a team, well no, 310 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 1: but if you aren't a team that's sitting on the 311 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 1: cusp of potential Super Bowl glory, we're adding Jimmy Graham 312 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 1: maybe turns your offense from highly intriguing and dangerous to elite. 313 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 1: That's who you give up to number one picks four. 314 00:16:56,920 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 1: If for any team less than that, it's a fastrous idea. Yeah, 315 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 1: but his defense, the problem in green Bay is getting 316 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:07,399 Speaker 1: a I mean, his offensive problem in green Bay is 317 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 1: getting a tight end, gonna put them over Finley. But 318 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 1: adding adding Graham would turn that offense into an outrage 319 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:18,679 Speaker 1: and West you you asked, you know why why I 320 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:21,680 Speaker 1: had an issue with that quote. I mean three or 321 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 1: Jimmy Graham is potentially the number five most valuable player 322 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:28,480 Speaker 1: in the entire NFL right now before his plant or 323 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:31,880 Speaker 1: fashire tail last year, which nobody wants to acknowledge ever happened. 324 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:36,880 Speaker 1: You never hear the national analyst ever mentioned Jimmy Graham's injury. 325 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 1: He went from averaging a hundred twenty yards a game 326 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:41,479 Speaker 1: before the injury to fifty something yards after the injury. 327 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 1: He was a totally different player. In mid October, Jimmy 328 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 1: Graham was mentioned as an m VP candidate. He was 329 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:50,920 Speaker 1: the most unstoppable offensive player in the league in five 330 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:53,720 Speaker 1: mid October, We are you making a case for him 331 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:56,680 Speaker 1: because he has an injury though plant their fashion foot 332 00:17:56,720 --> 00:17:59,520 Speaker 1: injuries to me would be looking at Antonio Gates one 333 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:01,639 Speaker 1: reason to trade for him, just because you don't have 334 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 1: all the information on that. That's a fair point. I 335 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:07,920 Speaker 1: don't think you can call him the fifth most valuable 336 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:10,680 Speaker 1: player in football, healthy or not, because of the way 337 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:14,640 Speaker 1: that football operates, They're already five or six quarterbacks. I'd 338 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:17,199 Speaker 1: take over Jimmy Graham from a t building perspective. In 339 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:20,080 Speaker 1: a second. What I do agree with you? He said 340 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:23,200 Speaker 1: quarter Well, he said non quarterbacks, right, No, no, what 341 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 1: he's saying. After three or four quarterbacks, Jimmy Graham was 342 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:30,880 Speaker 1: the most valuable. I'd say that's that's generous on Graham's part. 343 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:33,600 Speaker 1: I would say on most lists as of mid October, 344 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 1: he was behind only Peyton Manning in the m v 345 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:38,080 Speaker 1: P race last year before the injury. I would always 346 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:41,480 Speaker 1: take a top wide receiver over Jimmy Graham, but he 347 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 1: considers himself a wider. Wouldn't you take a J Green 348 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 1: and Calvin Johnson and the very best to the best 349 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:53,000 Speaker 1: wide receivers over Jimmy Graham, Calvin Johnson, Yes, a J Green. 350 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:56,520 Speaker 1: I don't know Julio Jones. You know I love Julio 351 00:18:56,600 --> 00:19:06,879 Speaker 1: Jones just about anybody Josh Gordon have released today. We 352 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 1: didn't mention that. That's part of the news. Hang, that's 353 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:18,639 Speaker 1: my annalys think some gms are talking to um. Alright, gentlemen, 354 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 1: it's it's that time. Uh really on a run right 355 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:23,679 Speaker 1: now with going down to the lab. So let's come 356 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:30,680 Speaker 1: back to the left. Yeah. I closed the door behind thanks, Mark. 357 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:38,360 Speaker 1: Alright lyle get out of here. It's wrong with you monster. Alright, gentlemen, 358 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:41,719 Speaker 1: so someone pick up the phone. Nobody ever picks up 359 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:46,439 Speaker 1: the phone. We wrote a joint peace on Tuesday for 360 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 1: the Round the League blog and NFL dot Com back 361 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:57,199 Speaker 1: slash a t L Is that correct? Greg shrugs, all right, um, 362 00:19:57,240 --> 00:19:59,879 Speaker 1: breaking down. I guess each of us took two predictions 363 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:02,360 Speaker 1: uh free agents and try to pair him with a team. 364 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:04,920 Speaker 1: So we'll just go around the room and we'll try 365 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:07,160 Speaker 1: to be kind of quick with this. But we'll start 366 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:13,360 Speaker 1: with Wes, who postulates a Kee Knicks to the Carolina Panthers. 367 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:17,439 Speaker 1: I sell it. I haven't recovered from your use of postuling. 368 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 1: Icely done. Three dollars. Well, keep Nicks is from Carolina, 369 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 1: went to high school, there was a was a star 370 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:28,120 Speaker 1: at University of North Carolina, so it's a home coming 371 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:31,879 Speaker 1: for him. Dave Gettleman, their general manager, was brought up 372 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:34,359 Speaker 1: in the Giants organization for years, was there when they 373 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 1: drafted him, so he's familiar with Nicks. They need wide 374 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:41,120 Speaker 1: receivers desperately again, and the fella free agents Steve Smith 375 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 1: futures up in the air. Keem Knicks comes in. Even 376 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 1: if they keep Steves, keep Steve Smith, they need another receiver. 377 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 1: So I like this fit a lot. I just gotta 378 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 1: jump in because you know, one of my skills that 379 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:56,320 Speaker 1: you guys don't know about as a scientist, ability to 380 00:20:56,359 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 1: forecast the futures. And uh, those skills tell me that 381 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:04,959 Speaker 1: Wesleyan is gonna include Keem Nicks on another piece this 382 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 1: week biggest busts and free agency. So you don't think 383 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:12,879 Speaker 1: that Nick's and actually most overpaid players in free agency. 384 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 1: You don't think Nicks would necessarily be a good idea 385 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 1: for Carolina. You just see this as a fit. Is 386 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 1: that correct? Yes, that's correct. Keem Nicks was ostensibly healthy 387 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 1: last year. It made made not a single play all year, 388 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:27,679 Speaker 1: So yeah, he looks like a candidate to be overpacked. 389 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:31,480 Speaker 1: I like, I like taking a swing on Keem Nick. 390 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 1: That's why he's on here. Yea, all right, Mark, I 391 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:38,480 Speaker 1: will throw it to you now you predict to your 392 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns. They saw all their issues in the backfield 393 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 1: with one depth signing band take well number one. This 394 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:50,639 Speaker 1: seemed like a home run back when Mike Lombardi was 395 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:54,639 Speaker 1: the general manager there, and I think because the running 396 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:58,479 Speaker 1: back classes so for lack of another word, crappy like 397 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 1: it still makes sense because because there aren't another there 398 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 1: aren't a lot of guys that you could go plug 399 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:06,200 Speaker 1: in and say this is a potential lead horse. I'm 400 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:07,920 Speaker 1: not sure it takes that guy, but I think that 401 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 1: Cleveland would see him potentially is that that player, and 402 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 1: they absolutely have nothing in their backfield outside of a 403 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 1: few third down scatback types. So Tate to me, is 404 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 1: the best combination of age. He hasn't been overused in Houston. 405 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:25,280 Speaker 1: I mean, he's got durability, he's got question marks, there's 406 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 1: no there's no arguing that. But if they hit on 407 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 1: him and listen, they're right to overpay for him potentially too. 408 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:35,080 Speaker 1: But I see him as a likely fit for Cleveland, 409 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:37,399 Speaker 1: solving a big hole and then maybe drafting and running 410 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:39,720 Speaker 1: back as well. We have another piece that will be 411 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:42,800 Speaker 1: going up later this week about potentially guys that can 412 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:45,399 Speaker 1: get overpaid. I'm a little concerned that Tate ends up 413 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:47,440 Speaker 1: getting too much. I remember that when I said that 414 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:51,880 Speaker 1: three minutes ago. Did you alright? Well, I apologize, he's 415 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 1: in the house chair. It's excuse me. I was busy, 416 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:57,680 Speaker 1: all right. I respect everything you guys say. So you've 417 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:00,680 Speaker 1: seen Mark enough of Tate personally where you'd be comfortable 418 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 1: with him being your guy again. And it's a really 419 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 1: ruggedly fin running back class. It's not the guy i'd 420 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:10,400 Speaker 1: pick over anyone else. But of the group I said, 421 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 1: I think they will again. There seems to be a 422 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 1: common threat of you not listening to anything. Anyone in 423 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:20,159 Speaker 1: the room is saying yes. It is like, I don't know, 424 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 1: they're gonna definitely draft a guy to pair with I 425 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:25,920 Speaker 1: think a bentait. There's no one. There aren't that many 426 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:29,160 Speaker 1: one running back back fields anymore, and I wouldn't see 427 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:32,320 Speaker 1: that being the case in Cleveland. Didn't Didn't he get 428 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:35,280 Speaker 1: coached by Kyle Shanahan and Houston? Well, but you know, 429 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 1: I had a weird thought middle of the night their quarterback. 430 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 1: I had a weird feeling that Cleveland may sign may 431 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:50,879 Speaker 1: sign their quarterback job. Yeah, I have a weird to know. 432 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:52,480 Speaker 1: In the middle of the night, I was thinking that 433 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 1: they may bring in shock. Nothing They've got nothing walked 434 00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 1: past your desk at the mark. I apologize for hitting 435 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:01,680 Speaker 1: your point. It just that it happens when you talk, 436 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:05,439 Speaker 1: you hit every relevant point and there's nothing like make 437 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 1: it tough for you to find a second angle. I'm Sorry, 438 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:13,639 Speaker 1: like somebody's uncle at Thanksgiving, there's nothing left but carnage. Greg, 439 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,960 Speaker 1: this is a very interesting one that I enjoyed quite 440 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 1: a lot. Forget forget about the Lions, Titus Young's replacement. 441 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:31,920 Speaker 1: Forget about Nate Barlson. That's over about jer Michael Finley 442 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:36,360 Speaker 1: as Calvin Johnson's sidekick. Yeah, everyone's talking about you gotta 443 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 1: get another pair of hands there. They can't afford to 444 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:42,399 Speaker 1: pay so much money at wide receiver or at receiver 445 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:45,359 Speaker 1: in general. You can't afford Eric Decker's contract, Nix. You know, 446 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:49,720 Speaker 1: they've gotta shop at the bargain basement bin for wide receivers. 447 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 1: But how about your number two wide receiver be your 448 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:55,800 Speaker 1: tight end, Jeremichael Finley take a shot. We say that 449 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:58,240 Speaker 1: we like to take a swing for the fences in 450 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:00,920 Speaker 1: free agency. Don't go for guys that are just gonna 451 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,480 Speaker 1: be average starters and pay him a lot of money. 452 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 1: Sign a guy in a one year deal because he's 453 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:09,720 Speaker 1: obviously down in value coming off his surgery, and you 454 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:11,720 Speaker 1: have to check him out medically. He has to pass it. 455 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:15,639 Speaker 1: But wouldn't that be a nice, nice little addition for 456 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:19,479 Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford and the boys. It would, and you know 457 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 1: he does have the requisite drop seas, which you know 458 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 1: will make Matthew Stafford feel at him a very Brandon 459 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 1: Pedigrew like, well, they have to sign someone, kind of 460 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:30,880 Speaker 1: like Mark is predicting tape to the Browns. I mean, 461 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:34,240 Speaker 1: there's no doubt they're signing a running back in Cleveland. 462 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 1: Have to sign one, maybe two. It's going to happen. 463 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:40,480 Speaker 1: The Lions are going to sign a tight end. It 464 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:43,679 Speaker 1: could be Brandon Pettigrew bringing him back. I think his 465 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 1: price tag from the rumors that are out there is insane. 466 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 1: I'd rather take a shot with him. UM. Somewhat related, 467 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 1: I just wanted to bring this up. I spoke with 468 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:57,040 Speaker 1: James Jones uh pending free as receiver uh, and he 469 00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:00,640 Speaker 1: had an interesting quasi burn of Um, that's staffer. I thought, 470 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:02,639 Speaker 1: don't make it sound like you guys are out at 471 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:07,040 Speaker 1: a bar or something like that. Jones said that he 472 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,040 Speaker 1: wouldn't have signed with a team that didn't have an 473 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:11,800 Speaker 1: entrenched quarterback. He had this to say, this is kind 474 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:13,879 Speaker 1: of off the cup. It's different from me as a 475 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:16,520 Speaker 1: receiver because you need a good quarterback to be successful. Yeah, 476 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,320 Speaker 1: you have the Calvin Johnson's but even Matthew Staffords a 477 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:23,919 Speaker 1: decent quarterback, decent, decent bomb. He also gave you some 478 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 1: nuggets as some teams he was looking at. Yeah, he 479 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:29,200 Speaker 1: was looking at the Colts and the Charges. He dropped 480 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:32,119 Speaker 1: them specifically as two teams if the Packers don't sign him, 481 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:35,600 Speaker 1: which they probably were great fits right for him and 482 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:37,680 Speaker 1: for them. And I think Jones would be a really 483 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:41,120 Speaker 1: nice little second or third receiver or something coming around 484 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:44,199 Speaker 1: on James Jones, I really like. Yeah, and that's a 485 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,520 Speaker 1: good star one for me. Again on the Scientist battle, 486 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 1: they have scoreboards and Scientists layers, the fans they're keeping. Um. 487 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:55,120 Speaker 1: Speaking of the Colts and wide receivers, I predict that 488 00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,479 Speaker 1: Eric Decker will land with the Colts. That's what I 489 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:00,920 Speaker 1: feel is going to But I know the Colts perhaps 490 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 1: a bigger need or a greater need to spend their 491 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:06,119 Speaker 1: money fixing the middle of their offensive line, which has 492 00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:09,800 Speaker 1: been an issue um since Andrew Luck got there. But 493 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:12,080 Speaker 1: when you think about it, Reggie Wayne, he's coming back 494 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 1: off the series the injury. We don't know how much 495 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,280 Speaker 1: longer he'll be around or if he's still Reggie Wayne. 496 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,919 Speaker 1: You put Eric Decker, who West loves next to t 497 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:23,359 Speaker 1: Y Hilton. That forms a pretty nice one to punch 498 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,240 Speaker 1: for seven eight years potentially. That's that's nice. Well, they 499 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:28,920 Speaker 1: got the money to do it. And you know, West 500 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,680 Speaker 1: is under the impression that we keep trashing Decker, which 501 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,199 Speaker 1: I think the angle is more on something that you 502 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,359 Speaker 1: actually brought up initially. West is the Decker is the 503 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:40,520 Speaker 1: wrong guy for probably three quarters of the league. He's 504 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:43,080 Speaker 1: the right guy for a couple of different offenses. He's 505 00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:46,080 Speaker 1: perfect for Indie. I don't think he's perfect. And well 506 00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:49,119 Speaker 1: he's and he's paid like a number one receiver, and 507 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,919 Speaker 1: I do think he will get paid at least what 508 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 1: Greg Jennings got last year, which is eight nine million 509 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:56,879 Speaker 1: dollars a year. I don't think he's the right Would 510 00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,960 Speaker 1: you rather overpay for Eric Decker, a very good foot 511 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,960 Speaker 1: ball player, or overpay for the likes of Eric Walden, 512 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:08,159 Speaker 1: Donald Thomas, Lauren Landry and Ricky Jean Francois In one off, 513 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:09,840 Speaker 1: I'm with you. I think we're all with you. I 514 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:11,960 Speaker 1: think if you're getting a good player and you have 515 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,800 Speaker 1: the stary caps face, I think the thing is you 516 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:16,879 Speaker 1: don't want to be a team that has issues at 517 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:20,480 Speaker 1: quarterback and has one other, maybe tangible number two receiver 518 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,440 Speaker 1: and then go ad Decker as this number one guy. 519 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 1: He fits an indie where you can surround to feel 520 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,399 Speaker 1: with all these other pass catchers too. It's sort of 521 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:31,200 Speaker 1: taking a page out of the Bill Polly and Him 522 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:33,800 Speaker 1: book that when you have a guy like Peyton Manner 523 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,680 Speaker 1: Andrew Luck, make sure you get him weapons every year. 524 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 1: That would be a brilliant move if I'm Eric Decker, 525 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,920 Speaker 1: and that would be great because he's very successful and 526 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,720 Speaker 1: very handsome. I've been on record about that. If I'm 527 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:48,240 Speaker 1: Eric Decker, I'm taking a little less money and signing 528 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,680 Speaker 1: with Andrew Luck. I'm going from Manning to Luck, and 529 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,440 Speaker 1: I'm basically setting myself for the up for the Pro 530 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:56,400 Speaker 1: Bowl for you know, the next decade. That's the move 531 00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 1: I'd like. Too many of these guys get lost that 532 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,720 Speaker 1: take the first the biggest cut pulled Greg Jennings, and 533 00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:03,920 Speaker 1: then you're where are you? Where are you? You're making 534 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,320 Speaker 1: more money than any other team would have paid years 535 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:10,880 Speaker 1: you probably before you see the contract through want that 536 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,200 Speaker 1: would have happened anyways, And he's not gonna have a 537 00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:15,680 Speaker 1: job for the rest of his life that pays him 538 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,800 Speaker 1: one hundred on this one. If you can get seven 539 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:23,000 Speaker 1: million for the Colts versus nine million for a bum team, 540 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:26,080 Speaker 1: because you get you get more job security and Indy, 541 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:28,360 Speaker 1: you'll probably be more of a household name in Indy, 542 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:30,800 Speaker 1: more Pro Bowls. I like. When you get cut after, 543 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 1: you probably have to sign a much lesser contract to 544 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:36,959 Speaker 1: continue your career. Let's say you're Greg Jennings in two 545 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,200 Speaker 1: thousand fifteen. It probably at the end of the day 546 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:42,480 Speaker 1: you're losing money by taking more early. Like one of 547 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:44,800 Speaker 1: our TV guys, your argument was strong until that one. 548 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:46,880 Speaker 1: Except one of our TV guys. Yes, she was saying 549 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:50,160 Speaker 1: that he was talking to a player who has the option, 550 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,080 Speaker 1: you think to go to multiple teams and make this 551 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 1: I want to go play for a winner for less 552 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,000 Speaker 1: money thing. And they asked him where you're gonna go. 553 00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,000 Speaker 1: He goes, I have no idea. He goes, my agent 554 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,120 Speaker 1: will tell me where I'm going. That it's age. The 555 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:05,320 Speaker 1: agents construct these deals. The players don't sit around. Well, 556 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:07,200 Speaker 1: it is their fault, but that is the business to 557 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:09,000 Speaker 1: a large extent. A lot of these free agents they 558 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:10,680 Speaker 1: go out and get the best deal for them. They say, 559 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:12,600 Speaker 1: this is where you're going. It depends on the person. 560 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 1: I guarante, I guarantee you there are strong minded people 561 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,120 Speaker 1: out there making their own decisions, whereas some of the 562 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,520 Speaker 1: people just would more feel more comfortable with their agents. 563 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:24,239 Speaker 1: I don't wants to negotiate his own contract. That that 564 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:27,719 Speaker 1: goes to the over the line of ridiculous. Matt Elam 565 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,040 Speaker 1: negotiated his own rookie contract and now he's working in 566 00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:33,960 Speaker 1: a shoe store during the off season. Well, that doesn't 567 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:35,920 Speaker 1: that's not that you don't. That's not how to pitch 568 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:39,200 Speaker 1: that process. He's a very strong minded I know he is, 569 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,240 Speaker 1: but wants to be He wants to get his blue 570 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,000 Speaker 1: collar roots and say, hey, when I'm done with football, 571 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,440 Speaker 1: I need to know how to run a business. As 572 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:51,920 Speaker 1: long as you don't hire a master p. That's my inn. Yeah. 573 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:57,800 Speaker 1: One of my favorite uh MTV Crips episode, How Many 574 00:30:57,880 --> 00:30:59,920 Speaker 1: do you Have? I think that's the only one. I 575 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:01,560 Speaker 1: think that's the only one I've really watched all the 576 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:05,640 Speaker 1: way through because I was just so impressed with the 577 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:08,680 Speaker 1: self portraits he had in every room. It was a 578 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:12,600 Speaker 1: different one, right, it was just gigantic oil paintings of 579 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,400 Speaker 1: master p like with a dog or out with his 580 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:19,160 Speaker 1: friends or whatever. It sounds like Royal Tenenbomb's esque was 581 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:24,360 Speaker 1: certainly owned by the government. More self portraits or more 582 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:28,800 Speaker 1: posters of scarface? Well that was that was, yes, part 583 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:32,320 Speaker 1: of every Cribs episode of a hip hop star scarfaces 584 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:36,640 Speaker 1: in there. All right. On that note, master P did 585 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,320 Speaker 1: some damage and he made a lot of money in 586 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:43,000 Speaker 1: many ways. He changed the game. Wasn't his name Percy Miller? 587 00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:45,400 Speaker 1: And he tried to sign with the NBA. Yes, he 588 00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:49,160 Speaker 1: did have aspirations, never quite made it them. Oh we 589 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:50,800 Speaker 1: have before we leave, I have an update on the 590 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:54,160 Speaker 1: map situation. Go ahead, it is ordered. The map and 591 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:57,040 Speaker 1: the tax are ordered. It should be here by Friday's podcast. 592 00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:00,360 Speaker 1: What do the tax are? They colored? Multilay? Did get 593 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,960 Speaker 1: the multicolored box? Yeah, very good? All right. On that note, 594 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:07,000 Speaker 1: it is time for us to both leave the laboratory. 595 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,520 Speaker 1: So let's come up to stairs, gentlemen. But also it's 596 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,120 Speaker 1: time to go. Uh. It's the end of the antil 597 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:16,200 Speaker 1: podcast for Wednesday. We need some stair sounds zack going 598 00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:20,800 Speaker 1: up this way? We do? You don't listen to the podcast. 599 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,680 Speaker 1: That's what it was added on Wednesday on the last show. Well, 600 00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:25,720 Speaker 1: there's a lot to there's a lot to get to 601 00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,200 Speaker 1: a lot of reading materials. Did you see how you 602 00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:31,680 Speaker 1: do all that work adding in the sound effects, Well, 603 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,120 Speaker 1: they're not sound effects, they're real. It's really happening. We're 604 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,440 Speaker 1: leaving a lab for real a short time in the 605 00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:40,080 Speaker 1: lab in the studio today. Yeah, the studio is booked 606 00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:42,640 Speaker 1: and we don't get to do our normal amount of time, 607 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:44,880 Speaker 1: a lot amount of time. So we apologize if you're 608 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:48,120 Speaker 1: expecting our typical length of the show, but a promise 609 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:50,719 Speaker 1: that we will be back on Friday. We're gonna do 610 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:55,120 Speaker 1: I'm thinking a tight fort six on Friday. You know what. Yeah, 611 00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,280 Speaker 1: three days a week. We have nothing to apologize for. 612 00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:59,280 Speaker 1: What other podcasts are coming at you in the with 613 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:02,360 Speaker 1: the NFL all three days a week. There isn't maybe 614 00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:06,160 Speaker 1: there is one, maybe there isn't one. But uh, we 615 00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:12,520 Speaker 1: bring West West and Mark are still down in the lab. Um, 616 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:14,240 Speaker 1: all right, let's just get out of here. Then we'll go. 617 00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:17,160 Speaker 1: We'll find them. Uh, we'll be back on Friday. We'll 618 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:18,960 Speaker 1: be talking all about the news of the league and 619 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,360 Speaker 1: free agency and the draft and everything you can imagine. 620 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,440 Speaker 1: Until then, this Dave Hands is signing off for the Boss, 621 00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:28,560 Speaker 1: the Sizzler, The mailman, the gold standard behind the glass. 622 00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:35,200 Speaker 1: Until five, I don't know where Wesley and the character ends, 623 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:37,560 Speaker 1: and the real man begins anymore.