WEBVTT - Loss w/ Stephanie March 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:03.960 Of the law and Order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable. 0:00:04.200 --> 0:00:06.760 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:00:06.840 --> 0:00:07.640 vicious felonies. 0:00:07.680 --> 0:00:10.240 These episodes are based on. These are our stories. 0:00:10.600 --> 0:00:27.120 Done done. 0:00:28.040 --> 0:00:32.320 Hi, Welcome to That's Messed Up, an SVU podcast. 0:00:32.479 --> 0:00:35.320 I am Kara Klank and I'm Liza Traeger. 0:00:35.440 --> 0:00:38.400 We talk SVU, we talk crimes, and then we have 0:00:38.479 --> 0:00:42.000 amazing guests and we're so excited that you are joining us. 0:00:42.040 --> 0:00:46.520 Today we have a jam packed superstar episode. I would 0:00:46.560 --> 0:00:50.080 say so thrilling that you're joining us. Also, I didn't 0:00:50.120 --> 0:00:55.240 tell you I saw Leland, creator of RuPaul Songs. 0:00:55.400 --> 0:00:58.040 Yeah, he was at the Soho House show. So oh 0:00:58.080 --> 0:01:01.440 that's fun. He's such a nice guy. It was thrilling. 0:01:02.120 --> 0:01:07.240 And Barbie Ferrara from Euphoria was there, Oh, excuse me right, 0:01:07.560 --> 0:01:08.520 rubbing elbows. 0:01:09.040 --> 0:01:12.080 It was really thrilling. She was Yeah. I felt like 0:01:12.120 --> 0:01:15.280 a cool kid. And great Cosmos. I think Cosmo's my 0:01:15.319 --> 0:01:17.240 new drink. I had a great one at Elpenguino in 0:01:17.280 --> 0:01:19.679 New York. It needs to be a classy place. You 0:01:19.680 --> 0:01:22.720 don't want like, you don't want a bad Cosmo, but 0:01:23.040 --> 0:01:23.759 I like it to. 0:01:23.640 --> 0:01:26.480 Be light pink like light. It should not be red. 0:01:26.560 --> 0:01:28.840 It should not have so much cranberry juice in it, 0:01:28.920 --> 0:01:31.240 Like it's just that's a tarash baby. 0:01:31.280 --> 0:01:32.040 Should be tart. 0:01:32.280 --> 0:01:36.479 Yeah, pink and amazing and in thick, fucking beautiful glassware. 0:01:36.920 --> 0:01:38.400 And that's what this. I'm not a member of the 0:01:38.440 --> 0:01:40.880 Soho House. I was just performing. I am not that cool. 0:01:41.040 --> 0:01:45.480 She was the hired help. Yeah, there were just celebs 0:01:45.520 --> 0:01:50.080 happened to have been there. But the glass I love 0:01:50.120 --> 0:01:53.200 the Soho House glassware. It feels so special. 0:01:53.520 --> 0:01:55.920 I went there one time and tried to take a 0:01:55.960 --> 0:01:58.080 picture of the view and I got in trouble. 0:01:58.160 --> 0:01:58.440 I did it. 0:01:58.520 --> 0:01:59.800 No one had told me that you're not allowed to 0:01:59.800 --> 0:02:01.880 take photos there, so I was like not taking a 0:02:01.880 --> 0:02:03.680 picture of a celebrity. I was truly like, oh, what 0:02:03.760 --> 0:02:06.240 a nice view, and they were like, no photos, and 0:02:06.280 --> 0:02:07.240 I was like, okay, thank you. 0:02:07.320 --> 0:02:07.400 Now. 0:02:07.400 --> 0:02:08.960 I feel uncomfortable the entire time. 0:02:09.200 --> 0:02:11.400 But I saw a movie in their little screening room 0:02:11.400 --> 0:02:12.840 and it was cool. 0:02:13.000 --> 0:02:13.560 It was cool. 0:02:13.919 --> 0:02:17.040 They have like a deal for young members, like I 0:02:17.040 --> 0:02:19.040 think people that are like under thirty, and I went 0:02:19.080 --> 0:02:21.400 with people that were young, like young and this was 0:02:21.480 --> 0:02:24.160 years ago, but yeah, I think they're trying to like, 0:02:24.240 --> 0:02:26.240 you know, give a deal to young hottie so that 0:02:26.280 --> 0:02:27.920 they can fill the place up with people like that. 0:02:28.280 --> 0:02:29.680 But creatives you have. 0:02:29.639 --> 0:02:31.480 To be yeah, yea, yeah, no, I went with an 0:02:31.520 --> 0:02:35.399 actor and yeah, but I don't even know who Barbi 0:02:35.480 --> 0:02:37.400 Feriri is because I don't watch it. But I'm sorry, 0:02:37.480 --> 0:02:39.560 I don't watch Euphoria, so I don't know her character. 0:02:39.600 --> 0:02:41.239 But I just know who she is from Instagram and 0:02:41.280 --> 0:02:42.680 I'm like intimidated by her. 0:02:43.760 --> 0:02:45.000 She is so so cool. 0:02:45.440 --> 0:02:47.880 I actually did talk to her because I said, you know, 0:02:48.000 --> 0:02:49.440 not to be a creep, but I've been a fan 0:02:49.480 --> 0:02:53.240 of yours for years because years ago for Halloween, she 0:02:53.360 --> 0:02:57.440 dressed up as Isabella Rassollini from Death Becomes Her Oh amazing, 0:02:57.480 --> 0:03:00.520 and she had like the pin top and then partner 0:03:00.600 --> 0:03:02.320 was like, well that's a deep cut, and I'm like, 0:03:02.360 --> 0:03:06.400 I'm not a creep. I just love Halloween. Yeah and 0:03:06.440 --> 0:03:07.200 that movie. 0:03:07.560 --> 0:03:10.320 Did you know her from something before Euphoria at all? 0:03:10.840 --> 0:03:13.400 For being a model? Oh got it. I was like, 0:03:13.480 --> 0:03:16.600 she was a fashion girl model for a long time. Yeah, 0:03:16.639 --> 0:03:20.880 so I just have been following her career. But amazing. 0:03:22.280 --> 0:03:24.880 I'm taking my kids to drag Con this weekend. I 0:03:24.880 --> 0:03:26.440 know this is in the time machine, this will have 0:03:26.480 --> 0:03:29.160 passed by, but I just wanted to let Lisa know that, Yeah, 0:03:29.360 --> 0:03:31.960 bringing both of my children. I was able to score 0:03:32.000 --> 0:03:34.920 free tickets because you know, I still have one or 0:03:34.960 --> 0:03:36.640 two connects over at the old Wow. 0:03:36.840 --> 0:03:39.600 And so I'm really excited. Did you have to get 0:03:39.600 --> 0:03:40.640 tickets for the kids? 0:03:40.840 --> 0:03:42.800 They're free, but you do have to get tickets for them. 0:03:43.000 --> 0:03:46.520 And I just like was like, listen, don't make me pay. 0:03:46.520 --> 0:03:47.680 I'm gonna be in there for an hour and a 0:03:47.720 --> 0:03:49.800 half with two kids that could explode at any moment, Like, 0:03:49.840 --> 0:03:52.320 don't make me pay. Like, so, I got free tickets, 0:03:52.960 --> 0:03:55.480 and I'm excited. I'm gonna go see the queens, see 0:03:55.480 --> 0:03:58.040 the dolls, introduce them to my little nuggets, and we'll 0:03:58.040 --> 0:03:58.800 see who's there. 0:03:59.320 --> 0:04:02.119 I'm really excited for the kids, and I've been telling 0:04:02.120 --> 0:04:04.400 to dress them up. I don't think to tell them. 0:04:04.560 --> 0:04:06.360 I told Rosie, I said, we're gonna go to this 0:04:06.400 --> 0:04:08.760 like special thing and we're gonna see drag Queens. And 0:04:08.800 --> 0:04:11.400 she goes from Drag Race because she knows about the 0:04:11.400 --> 0:04:14.800 show Drag Race, because she's seen me watch it before. 0:04:15.160 --> 0:04:17.240 I don't think she knows what drag queens really are. 0:04:17.320 --> 0:04:19.640 But I do think she's just gonna be wowed by 0:04:19.760 --> 0:04:23.200 like the spectacle of it all. And I think she's 0:04:23.240 --> 0:04:25.000 gonna love if she sees any. 0:04:24.800 --> 0:04:27.760 Guys butts, she'll be like booties, She's gonna love it. 0:04:28.520 --> 0:04:29.800 Yeah, I don't know how kids don't. 0:04:29.839 --> 0:04:32.440 That's why the people that are like, why are drag 0:04:32.520 --> 0:04:35.400 queens reading to kids? And it's like because they're full 0:04:35.440 --> 0:04:37.640 of glitter and color, like what are you talking about? 0:04:37.839 --> 0:04:38.039 Yeah? 0:04:38.160 --> 0:04:40.880 Or they're like no, or they're like no, can't get 0:04:40.880 --> 0:04:43.920 pride because it's a family event. And I'm like, Rosie 0:04:43.920 --> 0:04:46.159 doesn't know. You could like hand Rosie a double sided 0:04:46.160 --> 0:04:48.400 dildo and she'd be like, I'm gonna get you smell 0:04:48.400 --> 0:04:49.320 like you know, she's not. 0:04:50.120 --> 0:04:52.760 It's not. That doesn't bother me, Like it's not. I 0:04:52.800 --> 0:04:53.160 don't know. 0:04:54.160 --> 0:04:58.520 It's wild what people think is hurting their children. I 0:04:58.560 --> 0:05:00.440 think they'll all realize when their kids are addicted to 0:05:00.440 --> 0:05:04.200 oxy because they shame them for their entire lives. Okay, Wow, 0:05:04.360 --> 0:05:06.320 Dark Dark coming out coming out? 0:05:06.360 --> 0:05:10.040 Strong? Hold on? You know what else? We were right? 0:05:10.080 --> 0:05:13.160 We called out the Dirty Shirley before New York Magazine Day, 0:05:13.400 --> 0:05:14.880 So how cool is that? 0:05:15.440 --> 0:05:16.880 And I know people say this, and. 0:05:16.800 --> 0:05:18.560 Then I actually said this to someone in person and 0:05:18.560 --> 0:05:22.920 they're like, yeah, yeah, but I was Espressomartini before the craze, 0:05:22.960 --> 0:05:25.200 and I was Dirty Shirley before the craze, and I 0:05:25.480 --> 0:05:27.520 just know what's up, so sorry. 0:05:27.600 --> 0:05:30.160 It is really funny though, how things come back around. 0:05:30.240 --> 0:05:32.720 Like I had to make espressomartinis all the time in 0:05:32.800 --> 0:05:34.760 two thousand and one when I worked as a bar 0:05:35.040 --> 0:05:37.400 as a waitress in Boston, and then they did totally 0:05:37.520 --> 0:05:40.279 like come back, or like Negronis came back like two 0:05:40.279 --> 0:05:41.240 summers ago. 0:05:41.440 --> 0:05:45.479 Or I'm not a gin girl, no, I mean listen. 0:05:46.320 --> 0:05:48.600 Somebody also wrote to us and was like dirty Shirley's 0:05:48.600 --> 0:05:51.320 all that sugar. I'm not suggesting anyone pound seven dirty 0:05:51.320 --> 0:05:53.400 Shirley's in a night like one or two. You really 0:05:53.480 --> 0:05:56.200 can't drink those all night or you will feel that show. 0:05:56.520 --> 0:05:59.600 But I had a like I was hungover on Monday 0:06:00.040 --> 0:06:02.359 and I had to host that a show, and I 0:06:02.440 --> 0:06:05.720 just had a Shirley Temple to get the night started, 0:06:05.960 --> 0:06:09.320 just to like pump me up, taste delicious, like no 0:06:09.320 --> 0:06:12.679 one's saying it has to be your full even rocktail always. 0:06:13.080 --> 0:06:16.520 And I wish I could drink espresso Martini's with you guys, 0:06:16.560 --> 0:06:20.000 because how fun to like be getting drunk but also 0:06:20.040 --> 0:06:21.680 getting like a little caffeine buzz. 0:06:21.480 --> 0:06:22.960 And that I just don't like the taste. 0:06:23.000 --> 0:06:25.760 But that's specific, like cosmos, Like you don't want it 0:06:25.800 --> 0:06:27.440 to be light and creamy. You want it to be 0:06:27.520 --> 0:06:30.680 super dark with foam on top, like I hate when 0:06:30.720 --> 0:06:31.599 it's if. 0:06:31.640 --> 0:06:33.640 I so now I ask, Now, I go, is it 0:06:33.680 --> 0:06:35.080 light or dark? Before I order? 0:06:35.440 --> 0:06:38.839 Well, we were at Portland having dinner before our show, and. 0:06:39.040 --> 0:06:40.000 They made a weird thing. 0:06:40.080 --> 0:06:42.080 They did bring you basically a nice coffee and a 0:06:42.080 --> 0:06:43.040 martini club. 0:06:42.960 --> 0:06:44.960 But I had like some spices. I mean, I don't know. 0:06:45.080 --> 0:06:47.960 I was excited to get tipsy, I guess. 0:06:48.040 --> 0:06:48.680 So that was all right. 0:06:48.839 --> 0:06:52.320 Yeah, but oh, this is like not that new of 0:06:52.360 --> 0:06:54.200 a story about you know, we have talked about the 0:06:54.240 --> 0:06:58.440 guy who was being charged with murder because of a fitbit. 0:06:58.560 --> 0:07:01.640 His wife's fitbit provided evidence and he lied to authorities 0:07:01.680 --> 0:07:03.719 and they were able to prove it with the fitbit. 0:07:03.839 --> 0:07:04.960 He has been convicted. 0:07:05.440 --> 0:07:08.960 So he has been convicted of murder in Connecticut and 0:07:09.320 --> 0:07:12.240 the case was built on the evidence provided by the 0:07:12.240 --> 0:07:13.040 fitbit exercise. 0:07:13.080 --> 0:07:15.080 I think I knew that that was in Connecticut when 0:07:15.120 --> 0:07:18.280 we first talked about it, vern in Connecticut. 0:07:18.000 --> 0:07:20.440 Vernon, Connecticut. Wow, I'm not even positive where that is. 0:07:21.600 --> 0:07:26.360 That's that's wild. There's like so many random murders happening 0:07:26.360 --> 0:07:29.400 in Connecticut of wives lately. Also because in twenty nineteen, 0:07:30.000 --> 0:07:34.720 this woman with five children disappeared from my town and 0:07:35.240 --> 0:07:37.800 her husband definitely killed her because he tried to take 0:07:37.840 --> 0:07:40.560 his own life like a few weeks later and failed, 0:07:40.680 --> 0:07:41.119 I think. 0:07:41.720 --> 0:07:44.160 And yeah, it's like the Jennifer Doulo's case. 0:07:44.200 --> 0:07:47.240 There was like a huge article about it in Oh Gosh, 0:07:47.320 --> 0:07:51.320 Vanity Fair, I think, And uh oh no, he did die. 0:07:51.400 --> 0:07:55.560 He did die eventually, his suicide attempt didn't work for 0:07:55.600 --> 0:07:56.920 like a while, and then he was in the hospital 0:07:56.920 --> 0:07:57.640 and then he did die. 0:07:57.680 --> 0:07:58.320 So he died too. 0:07:58.360 --> 0:07:59.960 So now these kids have no kids because this man 0:08:00.080 --> 0:08:02.240 and it was like a crazy narcissist who had to 0:08:02.320 --> 0:08:04.880 kill his wife ex wife. 0:08:05.000 --> 0:08:06.280 And yeah, they're from my town. 0:08:06.800 --> 0:08:09.400 But luckily her family's very loaded and so her parents 0:08:09.440 --> 0:08:11.600 are going to take care of these children. And you know, 0:08:12.080 --> 0:08:13.080 small silver lining. 0:08:13.400 --> 0:08:17.840 I think the Connecticut of it all just off basic stereotypes. 0:08:18.040 --> 0:08:21.920 Is repressed living a lie. 0:08:22.640 --> 0:08:26.640 Yeah about appearances, people that are like gay in the city, 0:08:27.280 --> 0:08:31.000 straight in the suburbs, totally like that kind of vibe 0:08:31.080 --> 0:08:34.880 and so I and why and not talking about feelings 0:08:34.920 --> 0:08:37.680 and I think that leads to murder. Yeah, just like 0:08:37.760 --> 0:08:40.839 dickhead finance people. Yeah, totally. It's You're right. 0:08:40.920 --> 0:08:43.760 That is all the ingredients that are in Connecticut. It's 0:08:43.800 --> 0:08:46.079 like the secret family capital of the Northeast. 0:08:46.120 --> 0:08:52.080 For sure. Secret family Capital is hysterical. Yeah. 0:08:52.120 --> 0:08:54.480 I was just talking to someone not so much about lying, 0:08:54.600 --> 0:08:57.640 but like about lying, just like people that are so 0:08:59.040 --> 0:09:01.520 no shame will tree into hiring them even though they 0:09:01.520 --> 0:09:03.800 don't even have the skills, like the arrogant life. 0:09:03.880 --> 0:09:03.960 Like. 0:09:04.440 --> 0:09:07.040 I was just talking with our friend Sydney where sometimes 0:09:07.080 --> 0:09:08.760 she's like, I wish I was psycho like some of 0:09:08.800 --> 0:09:09.320 these people. 0:09:09.840 --> 0:09:12.199 Yeah, sometimes you like look at the faked till you 0:09:12.240 --> 0:09:12.760 make it peap. 0:09:12.800 --> 0:09:15.480 I wish I could just run in there and be like, 0:09:15.559 --> 0:09:17.320 oh yeah, I could do that and not be able 0:09:17.360 --> 0:09:18.720 to do it and be fine with that. 0:09:19.320 --> 0:09:20.120 Yeah. 0:09:20.160 --> 0:09:22.000 I actually would never want to be like that, but 0:09:22.120 --> 0:09:24.000 we were just talking about people. 0:09:24.000 --> 0:09:26.479 I would think that that would give you an absolute 0:09:26.600 --> 0:09:30.760 ulcer to just know that you're like, well, everybody gets 0:09:30.800 --> 0:09:32.520 a little bit of imposter syndrome here and there, but 0:09:32.640 --> 0:09:35.880 like you truly are not qualified for the job that 0:09:35.920 --> 0:09:39.160 you're doing, and aren't you just so worried every day 0:09:39.240 --> 0:09:40.240 that someone's gonna bust you? 0:09:40.280 --> 0:09:41.680 But I guess not. I guess part of it is 0:09:41.720 --> 0:09:43.319 like you have blinders to that shame. 0:09:43.400 --> 0:09:46.320 But they also teach you that lie on your resume, 0:09:46.440 --> 0:09:49.199 fluff it up, lie in the interview, who gives a shit? 0:09:49.240 --> 0:09:51.480 And then you get the job and it's like, what 0:09:51.520 --> 0:09:55.840 the fuck are you doing here? You're actually affecting people's lives, 0:09:55.920 --> 0:09:58.840 So like, what are you doing? Yeah, you fucking grifter? 0:10:00.080 --> 0:10:01.760 I don't know, well, yeah. 0:10:01.559 --> 0:10:04.160 I mean definitely there's a spectrum between like fluff up 0:10:04.160 --> 0:10:07.079 your res because I've definitely fluffed my resume a little bit, 0:10:07.280 --> 0:10:11.680 and you know, full fake like lying or saying you know, 0:10:11.800 --> 0:10:14.679 like fucking doctor Death, like somehow this man is able 0:10:14.720 --> 0:10:17.040 to do surgeries when he doesn't know how. Like that 0:10:17.200 --> 0:10:19.240 was like the ultimate faked till you make good story 0:10:19.280 --> 0:10:22.640 that I when I listened to a fellow Wondery podcast 0:10:22.720 --> 0:10:25.680 doctor Death about this man like went to medical school, 0:10:25.679 --> 0:10:28.120 did not do enough surgeries, and then it's just doing 0:10:28.160 --> 0:10:30.520 surgeries on people killing them and paralyzing them, and no 0:10:30.559 --> 0:10:34.400 one is stopping him because he's just confident. He was 0:10:34.400 --> 0:10:35.960 like a football player. It's like he learned how to 0:10:35.960 --> 0:10:38.120 be confident on the football field and translated that to 0:10:38.160 --> 0:10:39.560 his medical life. 0:10:40.120 --> 0:10:40.360 Yeah. 0:10:40.400 --> 0:10:43.040 And you just see people work and maneuver at these 0:10:43.080 --> 0:10:45.840 parties and the way they speak, and suddenly you're like, oh, 0:10:45.880 --> 0:10:50.600 you're like a calculated lunatic. Yeah, look at you work. 0:10:50.640 --> 0:10:53.760 This room, as our friends call it, shark eyes. 0:10:54.080 --> 0:10:58.480 Yes, a bunch of shark eyed fucking freaks. All right, guys. 0:10:58.600 --> 0:11:01.480 In two days, on June ninth, we are going to 0:11:01.520 --> 0:11:03.720 be in San Francisco at Cobbs Comedy Club. 0:11:03.800 --> 0:11:05.480 Help us sell this fucker out. 0:11:05.520 --> 0:11:07.440 It's going to be so fun. We love San Francisco. 0:11:07.480 --> 0:11:10.120 We're really excited to meet you, guys. We have special 0:11:10.160 --> 0:11:14.000 tour merch. We're pumped. Please come. And then later in 0:11:14.040 --> 0:11:16.280 the month of June, on the nineteenth, we're going to 0:11:16.320 --> 0:11:17.840 be at the Minneapolis Comedy Festival. 0:11:17.880 --> 0:11:19.280 Look, that's a four o'clock show. 0:11:19.559 --> 0:11:21.800 Can easily brunch with your dad and then bounce to 0:11:21.840 --> 0:11:24.199 go to our four o'clock show and then be back 0:11:24.240 --> 0:11:26.000 with your dad whatever. I don't know what your dad 0:11:26.000 --> 0:11:27.920 obligations are. I know it's Father's Day, but just come 0:11:27.960 --> 0:11:30.680 see us. And then on the twentieth and the twenty first, 0:11:30.679 --> 0:11:34.320 we're going to be at Zany's Downtown in Chicago. One 0:11:34.360 --> 0:11:36.599 show per night, different shows. By the way, if you 0:11:36.600 --> 0:11:39.240 want to see us cover different episodes, do different games, 0:11:39.320 --> 0:11:41.720 everything like that, buy tickets to both nights. 0:11:41.760 --> 0:11:47.240 I'm not going to stop you. And yeah, that's it, And. 0:11:47.160 --> 0:11:50.600 Now get ready, this episode's about to blow your mind. 0:11:52.559 --> 0:12:01.000 Wow, no pun intended. All right? Are doing Loss? 0:12:01.000 --> 0:12:04.040 Season five, Episode four fifty four is my lucky number? 0:12:04.120 --> 0:12:04.680 No big deal. 0:12:04.920 --> 0:12:08.840 And I would say this is a truly iconic episode 0:12:08.880 --> 0:12:12.920 of television, change dest view forever. I don't know. I 0:12:13.000 --> 0:12:15.520 love this episode and I feel honored to be talking 0:12:15.559 --> 0:12:18.319 about it. So it opens up and it's a woman 0:12:18.360 --> 0:12:20.800 with blonde hair and leopard pants with a neong green 0:12:20.840 --> 0:12:23.080 shirt and blazer and she has a white mini poodle 0:12:23.120 --> 0:12:25.600 on with anna leash with a pink bow in the hair. 0:12:26.040 --> 0:12:29.560 So iconic start. The woman is like the younger version 0:12:29.600 --> 0:12:32.920 of the older woman in Something about Mary. 0:12:33.120 --> 0:12:34.680 Yeah Magda okay? 0:12:34.800 --> 0:12:35.080 So is that? 0:12:35.600 --> 0:12:38.640 So she has that kind of vibe of like she. 0:12:38.760 --> 0:12:41.040 Seems so familiar to me, and I looked her up 0:12:41.040 --> 0:12:43.199 and she's only been in like a couple of episodes 0:12:43.200 --> 0:12:45.559 of Law and Order at NSVU, and I'm like, I 0:12:45.640 --> 0:12:47.040 swear this woman's in movies. 0:12:47.160 --> 0:12:48.959 And no, well it's like a type. 0:12:49.000 --> 0:12:53.360 It's like what leach blonde hair, super tan, just like Cookie, 0:12:53.840 --> 0:12:56.160 you know, like with her dog. 0:12:56.840 --> 0:12:57.200 Yeah. 0:12:57.800 --> 0:13:01.520 And I also did do a rewatch recently on a 0:13:01.520 --> 0:13:04.079 plane of something about Mary and one of the detectives 0:13:04.160 --> 0:13:09.000 is named Detective Stabler. And but it's hard to research 0:13:09.080 --> 0:13:11.640 like why or maybe someone loved SVU or was this 0:13:11.640 --> 0:13:12.520 before or after. 0:13:12.400 --> 0:13:13.840 Because or like because. 0:13:13.600 --> 0:13:17.000 I was like, maybe there is an old timey detective 0:13:17.040 --> 0:13:19.120 Stabler in like a black and white movie we don't 0:13:19.120 --> 0:13:21.120 know about. But if you look up Stabler on Google, 0:13:21.120 --> 0:13:23.040 it's about Elliott Stabler. 0:13:23.160 --> 0:13:23.640 I just did. 0:13:23.679 --> 0:13:25.600 And I literally have never met a person with the 0:13:25.640 --> 0:13:27.040 last named Stabler in my life. 0:13:27.360 --> 0:13:30.160 Yeah, so I was like, I'm not digging through all 0:13:30.200 --> 0:13:33.960 Elliot Stabler stuff to find if there's an elderly thing. 0:13:34.240 --> 0:13:38.080 But I didn't know if maybe Stabler is some Latin 0:13:38.240 --> 0:13:39.439 word that. 0:13:39.600 --> 0:13:42.200 Means detective, Like who fucking knows. 0:13:42.240 --> 0:13:45.160 I just thought the coincidence of having two detective Stablers 0:13:45.200 --> 0:13:47.960 is kind of wild. So she's doing baby talk with 0:13:48.000 --> 0:13:50.800 the dog and then pulls a bad girl move she 0:13:50.880 --> 0:13:51.720 leaves the dog shit. 0:13:51.800 --> 0:13:53.400 But also who can blame her? No one wants to 0:13:53.400 --> 0:13:54.040 touch dog shit. 0:13:54.080 --> 0:13:57.480 It's honestly like the worst grossest thing ever, but also 0:13:57.520 --> 0:13:59.839 a bitch move. Like dog shit on a cement is 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:02.720 gross and it's worse than I'm grass. Like dog shit 0:14:02.720 --> 0:14:06.920 in the streets of Brooklyn is it's so unsightly. The 0:14:06.960 --> 0:14:09.040 thing is, I have dog sat and I didn't want 0:14:09.040 --> 0:14:11.120 to pick up the shit, and I've tried to pretend 0:14:11.160 --> 0:14:13.120 to be like, oh, I don't, and then someone caught me, 0:14:13.240 --> 0:14:16.160 like I it is a disgusting choice. 0:14:16.200 --> 0:14:17.959 It's probably one of the main reasons I don't want 0:14:17.960 --> 0:14:19.880 a dog, like I just do not want to. 0:14:19.800 --> 0:14:21.440 Pick up the shit. I know. 0:14:21.520 --> 0:14:23.520 I have kids, but like at three years old, they're 0:14:23.560 --> 0:14:25.920 doing their own shit, you know, not at three you're 0:14:25.920 --> 0:14:26.840 still wiping the butt. 0:14:27.240 --> 0:14:30.320 No, Rosie does. Rosie pretty much does it herself. She's 0:14:30.360 --> 0:14:33.200 wiping her own ass. Yeah, that's pretty wild. 0:14:33.480 --> 0:14:36.240 If she needs help, I'm like, I might do like 0:14:36.280 --> 0:14:40.200 a quick like you know, backup wipe, but it's not 0:14:40.440 --> 0:14:42.080 I'm not touching shit, you know. 0:14:43.040 --> 0:14:47.800 No, I would baby sat people way older than Rosie 0:14:47.840 --> 0:14:49.880 that just like fully bend over and I have to 0:14:49.920 --> 0:14:51.320 wipe their butts, And it's. 0:14:51.200 --> 0:14:53.680 Like, maybe's that's for a five year old? Who goes, 0:14:53.720 --> 0:14:55.160 can you come in and pull it out? And I 0:14:55.200 --> 0:14:57.120 was like, I texted as mom, she goes, you don't 0:14:57.160 --> 0:14:58.800 have to do that. I go, yeah, I mean I 0:14:58.840 --> 0:15:01.000 wasn't going to, but I just he to just see 0:15:01.040 --> 0:15:02.840 like is this normal practice? 0:15:04.200 --> 0:15:05.600 That's disgusting? 0:15:05.840 --> 0:15:09.240 Yeah, it's gross, but anyway, I know I don't like 0:15:09.280 --> 0:15:11.040 the feeling of like putting your hand in the bag 0:15:11.080 --> 0:15:12.880 and touching like warm poop on a dog. 0:15:13.160 --> 0:15:14.600 No, and our friends the choices. 0:15:14.640 --> 0:15:17.120 I've dogs sat their dog Chevy, who has the most 0:15:17.160 --> 0:15:18.280 giant shits I've ever. 0:15:18.160 --> 0:15:20.080 Seen, Like Chevy's a turbo shitter. 0:15:20.400 --> 0:15:23.960 It is like so giant, I don't know, but a 0:15:24.000 --> 0:15:27.040 little dog maybe a little Pomeranian. Anyways, this dog's name 0:15:27.120 --> 0:15:30.800 is Tootsi, so that's cute and TUTSI loves garbage and 0:15:30.840 --> 0:15:34.680 she starts digging in the trash and her owner's like, ew, 0:15:34.720 --> 0:15:36.720 you're better than that, but then goes, oh my god, 0:15:36.760 --> 0:15:41.200 a fur coat. Okay, Tootsy, and she's about to steal 0:15:41.280 --> 0:15:43.480 this fur coat out of the trash, but little does 0:15:43.520 --> 0:15:45.720 she know she's in the opening of an episode of 0:15:45.840 --> 0:15:49.560 svo So sorry, lady, there is a dead woman underneath 0:15:49.600 --> 0:15:53.080 that coat. She screams, oh no and runs off. So 0:15:53.160 --> 0:15:54.880 now we cut to the police and they're on the 0:15:54.920 --> 0:15:57.920 scene and the victim is Olivia taeez. She's twenty three 0:15:58.000 --> 0:16:02.040 years old from Queen's found naked. That's upsetting. Purse with 0:16:02.160 --> 0:16:04.480 money and cards are still in the trash. This is 0:16:04.520 --> 0:16:09.040 not a robbery and just covered in this fur Melinda 0:16:09.120 --> 0:16:12.000 was straightened. Haror tales Benson in her full Golden Bieber 0:16:12.600 --> 0:16:17.480 social studies teacher moment, in a brown sway jacket and 0:16:17.520 --> 0:16:19.360 I think I need well, I don't swayed. 0:16:19.400 --> 0:16:20.520 It seems hard to take care of. 0:16:20.560 --> 0:16:22.640 But I hugged someone yesterday that was in a tan 0:16:22.760 --> 0:16:25.600 swayed jacket and it felt nice. Yeah, it's like a 0:16:25.680 --> 0:16:29.360 nice material for all those swede heads out there. So 0:16:29.480 --> 0:16:32.000 the victim hasn't even been dead for twelve hours. There's 0:16:32.040 --> 0:16:35.200 no stabber gun shot wounds. There's trauma just to the 0:16:35.280 --> 0:16:37.800 left side of the face and torso, which means that 0:16:37.880 --> 0:16:41.200 she was beaten to death, which is fucked up, Like 0:16:41.240 --> 0:16:43.200 how hard. Do you have to beat someone to kill them? 0:16:43.240 --> 0:16:45.760 Like that is the yeah, very sopranos. 0:16:46.200 --> 0:16:48.280 So there are. 0:16:48.240 --> 0:16:50.960 Fluids and she was moved post mortem, so this is 0:16:51.040 --> 0:16:54.840 not the place of the murder. Stabler with his Sonny 0:16:54.920 --> 0:16:59.080 is like halfway down his nose like very they had. 0:16:59.160 --> 0:17:02.360 Like the shape of this unglasses isn't like full American 0:17:02.400 --> 0:17:06.240 flag twitter guy, but not not that like not a 0:17:06.359 --> 0:17:07.760 great shape of glasses. 0:17:07.880 --> 0:17:12.600 It's also like David Caruso in CSI, like he was 0:17:12.600 --> 0:17:14.320 always whipping his glasses off. 0:17:14.160 --> 0:17:18.080 And shit, yeah, it has not a good thing. And 0:17:18.160 --> 0:17:20.440 he like you, he goes dump job, but why here? 0:17:20.560 --> 0:17:23.200 And it's like, just stop using that word. I don't know, 0:17:23.240 --> 0:17:28.960 it's so disrespectful. So while Benson and Stabler pass theories 0:17:29.000 --> 0:17:32.080 back and forth, Melinda is digging something out of the 0:17:32.160 --> 0:17:35.960 victim's mouth. And what we find out is the killer 0:17:36.040 --> 0:17:40.600 cut the tongue out of the mouth, so that's obviously 0:17:40.640 --> 0:17:43.840 a message, and but the tongue is nowhere to be found. 0:17:43.920 --> 0:17:46.240 So Melinda goes, I would check that dog, and then 0:17:46.240 --> 0:17:47.240 it cuts into credit. 0:17:48.760 --> 0:17:50.320 He totally ate that tongue. 0:17:53.080 --> 0:17:56.000 We cut back from the credits to a landlord who 0:17:56.040 --> 0:17:59.760 has all the scoop Olivia is pretty and nice, but 0:17:59.880 --> 0:18:02.040 he didn't really know her. She lived there two years, 0:18:02.040 --> 0:18:05.120 paid on time, and that's it. He thought she was illegal. 0:18:05.240 --> 0:18:07.639 But then he believes that the whole country was founded 0:18:07.640 --> 0:18:10.240 on illegals, so who is he to judge? And you 0:18:10.280 --> 0:18:13.560 can't argue with that. But then he's like, so on it. 0:18:13.600 --> 0:18:16.320 He's just like Puerto Rican Mexican. I can't tell the difference, 0:18:16.400 --> 0:18:18.840 and I just I like, I like this guy's honesty. 0:18:18.920 --> 0:18:23.200 You know, he he brings his opinions out out. 0:18:23.760 --> 0:18:25.040 His opinions are out. 0:18:24.760 --> 0:18:28.320 He loves illegals, but he doesn't know exactly where they're from. 0:18:29.920 --> 0:18:32.480 We get a glimpse of Ice in his full puffy 0:18:32.480 --> 0:18:36.200 ponytail era. So him and Munch get from the apartment 0:18:36.240 --> 0:18:39.440 like she wasn't home very much. The apartment's very empty. 0:18:39.720 --> 0:18:41.680 And then the landlord's like, oh god, I got a 0:18:41.760 --> 0:18:44.280 leaky pipe to fix. And that is the biggest piece 0:18:44.280 --> 0:18:46.760 of fiction I've ever seen on SVU. A landlord running 0:18:46.800 --> 0:18:50.800 to fix the pipe. That's when when when is he 0:18:51.000 --> 0:18:53.800 leaving to rush to actually do a job and not 0:18:53.920 --> 0:18:56.480 going is it your fault? The pipe is leaking? Like 0:18:56.720 --> 0:19:01.080 this is this is a farce. But Ice, you know, 0:19:01.520 --> 0:19:04.200 it reveals how Munch lives like a monk. So he goes, 0:19:04.240 --> 0:19:06.439 can you explain why someone would live a life with 0:19:06.520 --> 0:19:09.040 no knickknacks or photos? And I'm like, I'm with you, Ice, 0:19:09.119 --> 0:19:12.560 you know where are the knickknacks? Yeah, show us the knickknacks, 0:19:13.200 --> 0:19:15.879 and Munch says, well, some people like to live simply, 0:19:15.920 --> 0:19:18.840 but also maybe some people lost all their knickknacks and 0:19:18.880 --> 0:19:22.959 the divorce and I want to know what nickknacks all 0:19:23.000 --> 0:19:24.840 of Munch's ex wives took from him? 0:19:25.000 --> 0:19:26.840 Like what was it? Did he have the bullet from 0:19:26.880 --> 0:19:30.560 the JFK shooting? Like what is Munch collecting? 0:19:32.320 --> 0:19:34.720 But Munch does find something in the drawer and it's 0:19:34.760 --> 0:19:38.840 a plane ticket from Miami the day she died, So that's, 0:19:39.000 --> 0:19:43.000 you know something. Ice also pulls up Benson and is like, damn, 0:19:43.040 --> 0:19:45.320 look at all this designer stuff. This is where she 0:19:45.400 --> 0:19:47.960 spent her money. And then he calls it ho gear, 0:19:48.280 --> 0:19:51.320 which I love. And you know, Ice or Finn loves 0:19:51.320 --> 0:19:54.760 a strip club, so we know that he's well versed 0:19:54.800 --> 0:19:57.280 in ho gear. I think he says ho gear with love. 0:19:58.080 --> 0:20:00.600 Oh yeah, I'm not in himselt at all. Yeah, with 0:20:00.720 --> 0:20:02.960 love yes. Oh no, He goes, wow, look at this 0:20:03.080 --> 0:20:06.320 brand name ho Gear. He loved it. He goes, this 0:20:06.359 --> 0:20:08.320 is worth real money. Yeah, he goes, this is where 0:20:08.359 --> 0:20:10.840 she's spending her cash. This is high quality ho Gear. 0:20:11.960 --> 0:20:14.600 But she's not illegal. They find a social Security card 0:20:15.119 --> 0:20:17.240 and so we're back in the squadroom trying to figure 0:20:17.280 --> 0:20:17.640 things out. 0:20:17.680 --> 0:20:18.880 Because things are fishy. 0:20:19.320 --> 0:20:22.000 Sabler says there's no action on that social until two 0:20:22.000 --> 0:20:24.520 thousand and one. The license she has is from two 0:20:24.560 --> 0:20:26.800 thousand and one. She has no relatives. It's like she 0:20:26.840 --> 0:20:29.600 appeared out of thin air and they have already checked 0:20:29.640 --> 0:20:31.320 all the witness protection stuff. 0:20:31.359 --> 0:20:32.280 There's nothing there. 0:20:32.800 --> 0:20:35.520 So Munch goes, listen, I know I'm the resident kook, 0:20:36.040 --> 0:20:40.159 but what if it's a spook? Love the rhyming and 0:20:40.200 --> 0:20:43.280 that means spy for those who don't know, And Craigan 0:20:43.400 --> 0:20:46.119 suggests hitting up the CIA to see what's up. But 0:20:46.240 --> 0:20:48.440 first we got to stop at the morgue and Melinda 0:20:48.480 --> 0:20:51.560 says that the talk screen came back positive of cocaine, 0:20:52.119 --> 0:20:54.280 but there was a necklace caught in her hair and 0:20:54.320 --> 0:20:57.720 it's of what we're gonna find out later. It's not this, 0:20:57.880 --> 0:21:00.480 but it looks like a mother Mary Baby Jesus smoke. Okay, 0:21:00.520 --> 0:21:04.640 it's like a Catholic iconography necklace. Benson makes a little joke. 0:21:04.720 --> 0:21:07.520 She's like, oh, well, Latina, who's a Catholic. That'll narrow 0:21:07.560 --> 0:21:09.879 it down. So I love a joke at the morgue, 0:21:09.960 --> 0:21:13.200 keeping it light as dead bodies surround you. So now 0:21:13.200 --> 0:21:15.520 there are cuts on her legs that were made by us, 0:21:15.520 --> 0:21:18.600 slippers of fiberglass inside it, so that is a clue 0:21:19.200 --> 0:21:22.000 the fiberglass. And the lab said that there was powder 0:21:22.040 --> 0:21:23.920 on the fur coat, and she sprays down the fur 0:21:24.000 --> 0:21:26.000 coat and it turns purple, which means that it was 0:21:26.040 --> 0:21:27.000 covered in cocaine. 0:21:27.119 --> 0:21:29.200 So maybe she was a. 0:21:29.119 --> 0:21:31.520 Dealer, but they don't understand how she could be a 0:21:31.560 --> 0:21:34.200 dealer because it didn't look like she had wealth or drugs, 0:21:34.240 --> 0:21:37.320 so you know, they don't know. So the detectives go 0:21:37.359 --> 0:21:40.119 outside and Staler shows us why he makes the big bucks. 0:21:40.160 --> 0:21:42.720 He notices a Chevy Caprice with two white males that 0:21:42.760 --> 0:21:45.879 has been following them, so the detectives start running towards 0:21:45.960 --> 0:21:47.280 the car as it speeds off. 0:21:47.920 --> 0:21:49.840 So Benson's like, what the hell is this? 0:21:49.880 --> 0:21:52.119 And they're yelling and they're both kind of breathing heavy 0:21:52.560 --> 0:21:55.560 and Stabler is another smart idea. He's like, oh, fuck, 0:21:55.920 --> 0:21:58.240 this is a hooker with a soul that sounds like 0:21:58.280 --> 0:22:00.919 someone's sister Peg would want to say, And so he 0:22:01.040 --> 0:22:01.919 is right on the money. 0:22:02.000 --> 0:22:03.919 They head, you know, towards sister. 0:22:03.680 --> 0:22:05.840 Peg, and she says she's never seen the girl, but 0:22:05.920 --> 0:22:08.480 agrees to ask all her girls if they recognize her. 0:22:08.800 --> 0:22:13.239 And she's unloading boxes and boxes of dental dams, and 0:22:13.280 --> 0:22:16.040 she goes, they're flying off the shelves, and I just like, 0:22:17.240 --> 0:22:19.879 are johns paying to go down on women? Like I 0:22:20.119 --> 0:22:24.640 just like, I just don't understand. I don't I don't 0:22:24.720 --> 0:22:27.120 under I don't believe this. I don't believe that all 0:22:27.200 --> 0:22:30.119 of these johns are just obsessed with dental damn work, 0:22:30.240 --> 0:22:34.720 Like I don't know. I know that is very observant 0:22:34.760 --> 0:22:36.840 and funny. I did not pick up on that anyway. 0:22:36.960 --> 0:22:41.240 Why couldn't have been condoms or birth control or something, 0:22:41.280 --> 0:22:43.399 But like, the dental damn of it all takes me 0:22:43.440 --> 0:22:47.480 out of the realistic nature of what what I assume 0:22:47.560 --> 0:22:50.120 most sex work is about, which is n I don't 0:22:50.119 --> 0:22:52.200 think the johns are like and now it's my turn, 0:22:52.480 --> 0:22:56.480 you know, like, bring the dental damn out. Yeah, I 0:22:56.800 --> 0:22:59.520 just but Sister Peg, you know more than I do. 0:23:00.480 --> 0:23:02.280 They do ask her about the image of the necklace. 0:23:02.320 --> 0:23:04.760 She knows more than me. It is not Mother Mary, 0:23:04.960 --> 0:23:08.879 it is another saint. It's based on a painting and 0:23:09.320 --> 0:23:13.960 it's the Crescent Moon patron saint from Columbia. And she 0:23:14.080 --> 0:23:17.080 knows a place in the Bronx with a giant population 0:23:17.160 --> 0:23:20.880 of Colombians who attend mass. So maybe, you know, maybe 0:23:20.920 --> 0:23:23.080 it's someone that goes to that church. So the main 0:23:23.080 --> 0:23:25.280 guy there, they go rush to talk to him because 0:23:25.320 --> 0:23:27.720 Sister Peg has a connect with him and he actually 0:23:27.720 --> 0:23:29.680 hasn't seen Olivia in two to three months. 0:23:29.760 --> 0:23:33.040 Olivia the victim. Why they name her Olivia? Yeah? Do 0:23:33.119 --> 0:23:33.480 they not know? 0:23:33.520 --> 0:23:38.800 We have a recap podcast, like what is going on here? So, 0:23:40.040 --> 0:23:42.920 but she did come to the church for about two years, 0:23:43.320 --> 0:23:45.399 but was very secretive and he begged her to come 0:23:45.440 --> 0:23:48.639 to confession, but she said after her work was done, 0:23:48.800 --> 0:23:50.840 but didn't say what kind of work, but he got 0:23:50.840 --> 0:23:53.239 the feeling that she was rich. She donated all of 0:23:53.280 --> 0:23:55.960 her furniture once and it was picked up in a 0:23:56.000 --> 0:23:58.600 giant shipping container. So then they're like, wait, wait, wait, wait, 0:23:58.880 --> 0:24:01.080 do you know where the storage tell us all about 0:24:01.080 --> 0:24:03.840 the storage. So they rush off to a shipping place, 0:24:04.440 --> 0:24:08.200 a storage facility that Karen knows much about storage facilities, 0:24:09.040 --> 0:24:12.879 and off Benson and Stabler go to Queen's and this 0:24:13.040 --> 0:24:15.919 lady paid for three years in advance money bags. 0:24:16.280 --> 0:24:18.680 They open it up and there's a ton of stuff. 0:24:18.720 --> 0:24:21.000 So they start rifling through all the stuff and they 0:24:21.040 --> 0:24:24.160 find nineteen ninety nine taxes and photos, but they're all 0:24:24.200 --> 0:24:27.879 filed under a different last name and social Stabler in 0:24:27.920 --> 0:24:30.560 a box label two thousand and one, finds a. 0:24:30.480 --> 0:24:32.359 Badge she was a cop. 0:24:33.040 --> 0:24:36.560 Dunt dun and boom and walks some suit boys and 0:24:36.640 --> 0:24:39.800 Stabler calls them rats, and they're the guys who've been. 0:24:39.800 --> 0:24:43.159 Tailing them, and they are DEA. One is really hot 0:24:43.200 --> 0:24:46.640 and one is less hot. They agree to a sit down. 0:24:47.119 --> 0:24:49.920 The DEA guys walk into Craigan's office and He's like, 0:24:49.960 --> 0:24:52.280 what the fuck, why are you tailing my detectives? 0:24:52.280 --> 0:24:53.680 And they're like and. 0:24:53.640 --> 0:24:55.760 They are being reasonable, like we just needed to make 0:24:55.800 --> 0:24:57.640 sure you weren't the bad guys, like we just had 0:24:57.640 --> 0:25:01.000 to make sure everything was good, and they were. The 0:25:01.080 --> 0:25:04.480 DEA was actually notified when Olivia's Prince went into the system. 0:25:04.560 --> 0:25:07.040 But they didn't realize that she was dead, and the 0:25:07.040 --> 0:25:09.920 hot man does look down and sad at the news 0:25:09.960 --> 0:25:14.600 of the death of their coworker. We don't know yet, 0:25:15.160 --> 0:25:17.520 nobody knows why she was killed, but the tongue was 0:25:17.560 --> 0:25:21.280 cut out, so obviously there's more to it. Craigan is like, boys, 0:25:21.320 --> 0:25:24.040 we need some answers. What was she doing? They say 0:25:24.040 --> 0:25:27.920 that her case intersected with theirs, and the NYPD loaned 0:25:28.000 --> 0:25:31.560 her to us, and Craigan gets pissed, like an NYPD 0:25:31.680 --> 0:25:35.280 officer got raped and killed on your watch. And they say, 0:25:35.320 --> 0:25:37.439 clearly we didn't want that either. But this is a 0:25:37.480 --> 0:25:40.920 two year operation that's cost hundreds of thousands of dollars, 0:25:41.400 --> 0:25:43.639 and there are two more operatives left in the field, 0:25:43.800 --> 0:25:48.120 so you know, and they were introduced by the victim. 0:25:48.520 --> 0:25:51.000 So if it comes out that she's a cop, everyone 0:25:51.080 --> 0:25:53.879 is fucked. But Benson goes, yeah, but we can't do nothing. 0:25:53.920 --> 0:25:57.320 This case was all over the papers, and Craigan says, fine, okay, 0:25:57.320 --> 0:25:58.000 we can playball. 0:25:58.080 --> 0:26:00.080 What we can do is we can investigate the murder 0:26:00.160 --> 0:26:00.400 of a. 0:26:00.320 --> 0:26:03.440 Hooker dating a drug dealer, and nobody needs to hear 0:26:03.480 --> 0:26:07.080 about any undercover job or dea like deal deal. Yes, 0:26:07.119 --> 0:26:09.200 we all want that, and they're like and not a 0:26:09.240 --> 0:26:12.320 word to your ADA, and it's like okay, okay, Like 0:26:12.800 --> 0:26:15.000 I just don't get why these dorks don't realize that 0:26:15.040 --> 0:26:18.879 they're all on the same side, Like I don't Benson 0:26:18.920 --> 0:26:21.840 and Stabler and Craigan aren't trying to protect. 0:26:21.320 --> 0:26:22.639 These bad guys, you know. 0:26:24.440 --> 0:26:26.440 But then the DEA says they're not going to help 0:26:26.480 --> 0:26:28.800 with anything, and they're just like good luck out there, 0:26:28.960 --> 0:26:32.639 and it's like okay, thanks, Like don't what what what 0:26:33.040 --> 0:26:33.440 is this? 0:26:34.720 --> 0:26:37.320 It's just it's so weird how all these different agencies 0:26:37.359 --> 0:26:39.359 are always like fighting against each other, and it's like, 0:26:39.359 --> 0:26:40.480 why can't you all work together? 0:26:40.520 --> 0:26:42.600 I don't, you know, because they all want the credit. 0:26:43.160 --> 0:26:46.800 So Craigan rounds up the main crew, Ice, Benson, Stabler, 0:26:46.840 --> 0:26:49.760 and Munch. Anything happens in that room stays in the room. 0:26:49.800 --> 0:26:51.520 They're going in their own separate room, and they know 0:26:51.560 --> 0:26:53.960 they have to keep the super secret for the safety. 0:26:53.640 --> 0:26:55.320 Of everyone, so they start working. 0:26:55.359 --> 0:26:57.840 But Ice is superne nervous because he knows all about 0:26:57.840 --> 0:27:00.560 the Columbian drug dealers from his days in our so. 0:27:00.520 --> 0:27:04.439 He's like, are we sure? Are we sure? Guys? 0:27:05.200 --> 0:27:07.480 But we get a run down on Olivia and she 0:27:07.640 --> 0:27:12.320 went to Hudson. You an alum, so pretty thrilling. She's 0:27:12.480 --> 0:27:13.920 used to being sexually assaulted. 0:27:13.960 --> 0:27:17.160 I'm sure how you get in. 0:27:18.359 --> 0:27:21.160 They sent Ice to talk to an old pal from narcotics. 0:27:21.800 --> 0:27:24.440 They meet at a cemetery and the guy has flowers 0:27:24.440 --> 0:27:27.040 in hand and is like okay, deep throat vibes, and 0:27:27.160 --> 0:27:29.800 Ice is like, any better ideas and the guy goes, yeah, 0:27:29.920 --> 0:27:31.879 stay away from me, stay away from his case, like 0:27:32.000 --> 0:27:32.399 drop it. 0:27:33.200 --> 0:27:34.600 But he does give some information. 0:27:34.760 --> 0:27:37.360 He says the name of the main like the major players, 0:27:37.800 --> 0:27:41.919 Caesar Villaes, and he supplies ten percent of cocaine that 0:27:42.000 --> 0:27:43.840 comes into the US, and he has a lot of 0:27:43.880 --> 0:27:46.919 cousins that help him do things in New York and 0:27:47.040 --> 0:27:49.719 he's actually in Colombia, but the US is trying to 0:27:50.040 --> 0:27:53.399 extradite his ass right now for killing a judge and 0:27:53.440 --> 0:27:56.720 an informant. So he's a big time criminal. And I 0:27:56.800 --> 0:27:59.719 wonder if this was like a random cemetery that they 0:27:59.760 --> 0:28:02.320 went and put flowers on a random plot, or maybe 0:28:02.359 --> 0:28:04.520 they do have a mutual friend that has died and 0:28:04.560 --> 0:28:07.160 been buried at the cemetery. So I was just curious 0:28:07.200 --> 0:28:11.200 about that. But then Finn's Frind also gives him his informant. 0:28:11.240 --> 0:28:13.240 It's like, you can go talk to this informants of 0:28:13.280 --> 0:28:17.159 mine and he can help. So he's giving him scoop, 0:28:17.320 --> 0:28:19.919 just like Bust his ass for possession. He'll talk and 0:28:19.960 --> 0:28:22.359 then give you stuff. So but this is a clue, 0:28:22.400 --> 0:28:26.920 I think. So basically for the informant, he gives the 0:28:26.920 --> 0:28:29.840 advice just like Bust. The informant's ask on possession and 0:28:29.880 --> 0:28:33.160 he'll talk, so that's fine, and then he says this, 0:28:33.400 --> 0:28:36.600 He goes these people will take down a commercial airliner 0:28:36.680 --> 0:28:39.760 to take out one person. There are no rules. So 0:28:39.880 --> 0:28:43.200 I feel like this is a foreshadow a warning everything, 0:28:43.280 --> 0:28:45.000 like the there are no morals here. 0:28:45.840 --> 0:28:49.040 I doesn't care. Wait, do you watch the Miami Housewives? 0:28:49.320 --> 0:28:49.720 I don't. 0:28:50.200 --> 0:28:51.720 I mean I watched a little bit when it was 0:28:51.720 --> 0:28:53.440 first on, so I kind of know who, like Maris 0:28:53.440 --> 0:28:55.240 saul Is or whatever, but I don't really watch. 0:28:55.560 --> 0:28:56.280 So I don't either. 0:28:56.400 --> 0:28:58.800 But while I was staying with our friend Julia New York, 0:28:58.880 --> 0:29:01.320 it was on and we just been watched some episodes 0:29:01.680 --> 0:29:04.600 and there is so one of the wives is married 0:29:04.600 --> 0:29:07.640 to Martina Narrativalova. I can't even say her last name, 0:29:07.640 --> 0:29:09.760 and she's I feel like she's one of mine from 0:29:09.840 --> 0:29:12.880 the block but cannot even say her last name. But 0:29:13.000 --> 0:29:16.840 so her wife used to be married to a giant, 0:29:17.000 --> 0:29:21.640 huge Russian mob type guy who had their child murdered. 0:29:23.440 --> 0:29:24.560 He like in. 0:29:24.680 --> 0:29:28.640 Plantina, Navratilova's wife was married to a Russian guy who 0:29:28.680 --> 0:29:29.880 had their kid murdered. 0:29:30.240 --> 0:29:33.920 Yeah, he like brought a special opsin nanny who shook 0:29:33.960 --> 0:29:37.760 the baby to death. Why he didn't want to have 0:29:37.800 --> 0:29:42.480 a baby or like to disconnect and she had married 0:29:42.520 --> 0:29:44.959 someone else or it was revenge, Like I have no idea, 0:29:45.040 --> 0:29:47.600 but she has like a murdered child from her husband 0:29:47.640 --> 0:29:48.920 who is in the mob, so in. 0:29:48.960 --> 0:29:51.840 Front of even get out alive Jesus. 0:29:52.320 --> 0:29:54.600 Yeah, and she talks about there's like a lot the 0:29:54.600 --> 0:29:58.120 Miami Housewives are very open and cool about a lot 0:29:58.120 --> 0:29:58.680 of their lives. 0:29:58.880 --> 0:30:00.640 People say it's great, I should watch it. I just 0:30:00.800 --> 0:30:03.280 I haven't gotten into like the peacock of it all. 0:30:03.680 --> 0:30:05.280 So yeah, it's just like scary. 0:30:05.360 --> 0:30:09.520 Mobsters are scary, is what we've learned in all of this. 0:30:09.800 --> 0:30:12.320 Or you've probably know that, but maybe you didn't know 0:30:12.360 --> 0:30:15.520 that the mob goes into the housewives and that's pretty interesting. 0:30:15.600 --> 0:30:17.720 I mean I did from Jersey a little bit because 0:30:17.760 --> 0:30:20.480 I remember like actually talking about all this, like her 0:30:20.520 --> 0:30:23.120 tongue getting cut off, Like I forgot that, Like I 0:30:23.120 --> 0:30:25.080 haven't watched a lot of mob movies, and I forgot 0:30:25.080 --> 0:30:27.240 that like when the mob kills people, like a lot 0:30:27.240 --> 0:30:29.680 of times, there's like a message like so the tongue 0:30:29.800 --> 0:30:31.880 is like you talk to keep your mouth shut or whatever. 0:30:31.920 --> 0:30:34.000 But like I remember, I was at a bar in 0:30:34.040 --> 0:30:35.520 New York once and I met this guy who like 0:30:35.600 --> 0:30:38.200 knew everything about the Manzo's on New Jersey. And you 0:30:38.240 --> 0:30:43.720 know how Caroline Manzo's husband Al or whatever, his father 0:30:44.160 --> 0:30:46.600 was like killed and was in the mob and he 0:30:46.680 --> 0:30:48.360 was killed with his hands cut off. And I was 0:30:48.440 --> 0:30:49.959 and the guy goes, you know what that means, right, 0:30:50.000 --> 0:30:51.200 And I was like I don't. He goes, it means 0:30:51.200 --> 0:30:52.600 he stole from the mob, and I was like, oh 0:30:52.600 --> 0:30:55.080 my god, Like I didn't know all that. So this 0:30:55.200 --> 0:30:57.240 is reminding me of other Housewives drama. 0:30:57.800 --> 0:31:00.360 Well, and I don't want to reveal to my about 0:31:00.360 --> 0:31:02.000 people's lives that are on our own, but we know 0:31:02.040 --> 0:31:04.959 a comedian whose father was found murdered in the Brownstone 0:31:04.960 --> 0:31:09.920 parking lot. So yes, yes, there's a lot of I guess, yeah, 0:31:09.920 --> 0:31:12.520 a lot of mob in the house and crimes. 0:31:14.200 --> 0:31:16.120 It's just interesting to me when you say that that 0:31:16.200 --> 0:31:18.120 this woman was able to a get away from this 0:31:18.200 --> 0:31:20.520 mobster and then also get married to a very high 0:31:20.560 --> 0:31:21.880 profile person and be on. 0:31:21.880 --> 0:31:22.600 A TV show. 0:31:23.960 --> 0:31:26.800 Yeah, yeah, you're you know, and not feel like she 0:31:26.880 --> 0:31:28.640 kind of has like a target on her back. That's like, 0:31:28.800 --> 0:31:30.360 you know, maybe maybe she made a deal with him 0:31:30.440 --> 0:31:31.200 or something whatever. 0:31:31.600 --> 0:31:33.920 Who fucking knows, Maybe she's got something on him. 0:31:34.400 --> 0:31:37.200 So we're back in. So now we're at interrogation. I 0:31:37.400 --> 0:31:39.960 did not listen to the warnings at all. He went 0:31:40.000 --> 0:31:43.800 and got the informant. The informant is Felix and if 0:31:43.840 --> 0:31:46.440 you watch the wire, this is Bubbles from the wire 0:31:47.320 --> 0:31:49.560 and he's in a fake Adida's red jumpsuit. 0:31:49.600 --> 0:31:51.200 There's not three stripes, there is two. 0:31:51.520 --> 0:31:52.200 He is. 0:31:53.600 --> 0:31:56.680 Wait, what was Karen Huger's fake Fendy? Do you remember that? 0:31:56.800 --> 0:31:58.320 I don't remember that one because that was before I 0:31:58.440 --> 0:31:59.920 joined Photomac. 0:32:01.120 --> 0:32:04.360 So they're playing, you know, who has more leverage? What's 0:32:04.400 --> 0:32:06.720 going on? There's a dance and game, there's a generic 0:32:06.800 --> 0:32:12.160 soda can, and finally they show a photo of the victim, Olivia, 0:32:12.320 --> 0:32:14.760 and he calls her a cream puff because that's what 0:32:14.880 --> 0:32:18.400 Rafael calls her, and so what does that mean? And 0:32:18.600 --> 0:32:20.880 Munch is like, who is Rafael, Like, we don't know 0:32:20.920 --> 0:32:25.520 your friend group, and it's Zapata. So it's Rafael Zapata 0:32:25.600 --> 0:32:28.840 and he is a lieutenant for this for Caesar Valaise. 0:32:29.480 --> 0:32:33.600 And Olivia was banging him and she was hot, but 0:32:33.680 --> 0:32:36.320 when she got high, she got mouthy, and he doesn't 0:32:36.400 --> 0:32:39.360 like women that are mouthy. And I guess she always 0:32:39.360 --> 0:32:41.479 talked about how his dick sucked and didn't work in 0:32:41.480 --> 0:32:44.800 front of his friends, so he did smack her a lot. 0:32:45.400 --> 0:32:48.800 But it's like, honestly, you should never get hit by anyone, 0:32:48.880 --> 0:32:51.000 but you do know who you're dealing with, Like you 0:32:51.040 --> 0:32:53.800 can't talk about his like bad dick in front of 0:32:53.800 --> 0:32:56.280 his friends, like he will hit you. 0:32:56.480 --> 0:32:56.920 I don't know. 0:32:57.040 --> 0:32:59.360 It's like I'm blaming the victim. I'm sorry, I don't 0:32:59.360 --> 0:33:01.480 know what to tell you. You can't, you can't do that. 0:33:01.760 --> 0:33:04.360 Also, yeah, it's probably coke dick, like he should just 0:33:04.400 --> 0:33:05.720 stop using his own supply. 0:33:06.440 --> 0:33:06.720 I know. 0:33:06.800 --> 0:33:09.600 But if you're if someone is second command in the mob, 0:33:09.840 --> 0:33:13.160 like oh yeah, you can't. You cannot talk about his 0:33:13.240 --> 0:33:16.560 impotence like you cannot reeah. 0:33:16.840 --> 0:33:18.200 Rule of culture number for. 0:33:18.080 --> 0:33:21.840 Fifty second last culture is so style, do not talk 0:33:21.880 --> 0:33:24.680 about a drug lord's impotent dick in front of his friends, 0:33:24.720 --> 0:33:26.160 Like you will be murdered. 0:33:26.040 --> 0:33:28.120 At all, I would say, even in private. 0:33:28.360 --> 0:33:28.560 Yeah. 0:33:30.040 --> 0:33:34.000 Yeah, so we get picks, we get a group meeting. 0:33:35.040 --> 0:33:38.280 So Zappod has been arrested twice but never indicted because 0:33:38.280 --> 0:33:41.400 someone always came forward and confessed to the crimes, and 0:33:41.520 --> 0:33:44.480 Munch says, yeah, it's probably someone with family back in Columbia. 0:33:44.520 --> 0:33:46.320 So it's like do what you're told or your family 0:33:46.400 --> 0:33:50.120 gets it. And so that really sucks for people. God 0:33:50.240 --> 0:33:52.560 just don't get involved with the mob. Being poor sucks. 0:33:52.600 --> 0:33:55.640 Life is terrible. How do we go on with our world? 0:33:55.840 --> 0:34:00.520 It's like I don't, oh God. And you know what 0:34:00.600 --> 0:34:03.520 keeps replaying is the fucking Barrio episode from this season, 0:34:03.600 --> 0:34:05.600 the burning alive of a woman, Like I don't know 0:34:05.600 --> 0:34:08.160 when that's gonna leave my nightmares, Like I don't think 0:34:08.160 --> 0:34:10.000 the day has gone by since I've seen that episode 0:34:10.000 --> 0:34:13.040 where I do not think about that, like it fucked 0:34:13.080 --> 0:34:16.439 me up. So Benson says that Zapata is very rich 0:34:16.520 --> 0:34:18.920 and has a lot of businesses and oil drilling and 0:34:19.000 --> 0:34:21.040 YadA YadA, just like a lot of money laundering. 0:34:21.640 --> 0:34:23.480 So now we have to tie him to the murder. 0:34:24.120 --> 0:34:26.239 They were both on the same flight from Miami to 0:34:26.239 --> 0:34:28.719 New York, so that might be a clue. And they 0:34:28.760 --> 0:34:30.840 also went to a cafe, so let's go to the 0:34:30.880 --> 0:34:33.759 cafe and see if anyone has remembered them, because they 0:34:33.800 --> 0:34:36.120 spent four thousand dollars that day and a lot of 0:34:36.160 --> 0:34:38.640 it was at that cafe. So they head on over 0:34:38.719 --> 0:34:41.239 and they speak to front of house manager, kind of guy, 0:34:41.480 --> 0:34:45.960 suit and tie, about Zapata and he just looks straight forward, 0:34:46.280 --> 0:34:49.680 no emotion, and goes, I'm sorry, I don't know that person. 0:34:50.239 --> 0:34:52.960 And Stayler's like, well, protect you, like you know, was 0:34:53.000 --> 0:34:55.520 he with this chick? And he goes, no, he wasn't, 0:34:55.920 --> 0:34:58.400 and Benson goes, we will charge you with obstruction and 0:34:58.440 --> 0:35:01.439 he replies, then charge I have a wife and three 0:35:01.520 --> 0:35:03.040 children and I can't help you. 0:35:03.120 --> 0:35:04.440 And he walks away. 0:35:04.520 --> 0:35:07.760 And I respect this motherfucker, like, get the fuck away 0:35:07.760 --> 0:35:09.560 from me. I know what I'm dealing with, and you 0:35:09.600 --> 0:35:13.480 are not put me in jail. So they're gonna leave 0:35:13.520 --> 0:35:16.120 him alone, which is rare. Usually they bully witnesses that 0:35:16.239 --> 0:35:18.720 don't want to help, but they leave him be, which 0:35:18.800 --> 0:35:21.440 is wild, and then they're like deciding. They're like, well, 0:35:21.440 --> 0:35:23.240 we can't tell if he was paid off or scared, 0:35:23.239 --> 0:35:25.080 and it's like he looked very scared to me. Your 0:35:25.080 --> 0:35:28.279 detective senses are off, Like this man is terrified for 0:35:28.360 --> 0:35:32.680 his life. So Agent Donovan the hottie, he calls Benson 0:35:32.719 --> 0:35:36.120 and wants a meeting. Now, where's the meeting taking place? 0:35:36.239 --> 0:35:39.160 At a roof across the street. They're being watched. He's 0:35:39.160 --> 0:35:41.799 in the casual sweaterwear and he's pissed that they talk 0:35:41.880 --> 0:35:45.000 to his informant, Felix. They do a pissing contest where 0:35:45.000 --> 0:35:47.920 Stablers finally like, you know what, dude, you were supposed 0:35:47.960 --> 0:35:50.080 to protect her and you let her die, And he 0:35:50.120 --> 0:35:53.160 of course doesn't take that well, but like he's like, 0:35:53.200 --> 0:35:55.120 I didn't realize she was doing drugs and in that 0:35:55.200 --> 0:35:57.319 deep yes, I should have pulled her, but I thought 0:35:57.360 --> 0:35:58.960 she was doing what she had to do to get 0:35:58.960 --> 0:36:01.680 the job done. She wanted to nail these guys too, 0:36:02.040 --> 0:36:04.360 And he admits it was his fault and his mistake, 0:36:04.440 --> 0:36:06.680 and Benson's like, yeah, well, we don't want to take 0:36:06.719 --> 0:36:10.160 your case, but please tell us something. Help us implicate Zapata, 0:36:10.239 --> 0:36:12.759 we're flying blind here, and he goes, fine, okay, I'll 0:36:12.760 --> 0:36:14.759 help you make this right. And he says that the 0:36:14.800 --> 0:36:18.600 fiberglass Melinda found indicates that he knows where the killing 0:36:18.640 --> 0:36:21.440 took place. Cut to the precinct and it's a photo 0:36:21.440 --> 0:36:24.720 of a yacht being dropped onto a desk, and finally 0:36:24.800 --> 0:36:26.600 we get some Alex Cabot action. 0:36:26.800 --> 0:36:30.480 Thank you, I mean, and we find out about this boat. 0:36:31.160 --> 0:36:33.400 Benson refers to it as a love boat, and it 0:36:33.480 --> 0:36:36.600 is parked in Battery Park. Are there yachts in Battery Park? 0:36:36.680 --> 0:36:38.839 I didn't really go down that far downtown very often. 0:36:38.880 --> 0:36:39.719 I guess I didn't really go. 0:36:39.920 --> 0:36:42.719 I've been down there to like a playground, I guess 0:36:42.719 --> 0:36:45.960 when I babysat, but like not really to the watery part. 0:36:46.040 --> 0:36:47.360 I guess probably. I don't know. 0:36:48.000 --> 0:36:51.000 Yeah, like I've taken the Staten Island Ferry and that's 0:36:51.040 --> 0:36:53.680 pretty low downtown. But like, I don't know if I've 0:36:53.719 --> 0:36:55.399 ever seen like yachts, so. 0:36:55.520 --> 0:36:56.920 Other boats like tied up. 0:36:57.000 --> 0:36:58.920 Yeah, like I only have at the seventy ninth Street 0:36:58.920 --> 0:37:00.799 boat basin, So I don't really know where people keep 0:37:00.800 --> 0:37:01.160 their boat. 0:37:01.239 --> 0:37:05.000 We're like on the other side the west side, there's boats. 0:37:05.080 --> 0:37:07.879 But whatever I mean, if if you have a boat, 0:37:07.920 --> 0:37:10.920 let us know, we'll meet you there. Okay, we'll grab 0:37:10.960 --> 0:37:12.600 dian Neil and we will show up. 0:37:12.680 --> 0:37:13.800 We will be on your boat. 0:37:15.400 --> 0:37:17.120 That's actually a good way to get on a boat. 0:37:17.200 --> 0:37:19.560 Be like, we will bring dian Neil if you let 0:37:19.600 --> 0:37:22.279 us on your boat. So if you're in the New 0:37:22.360 --> 0:37:24.920 York Jersey tri state area and you have a boat, 0:37:24.960 --> 0:37:26.680 this is a deal that can be made. 0:37:26.960 --> 0:37:28.440 Yes, hit us. 0:37:28.680 --> 0:37:31.359 Diane doesn't know about it yet, but we are using 0:37:31.400 --> 0:37:32.400 her as leverage. 0:37:33.160 --> 0:37:34.960 Now back to this Ada. 0:37:35.120 --> 0:37:38.600 It's Cabot and she already starts making jokes about how 0:37:38.640 --> 0:37:40.600 tiny's the pot is dick is because of the size 0:37:40.640 --> 0:37:43.799 of the boat. So this guy's dick can't get a break. Now, 0:37:45.520 --> 0:37:49.279 remember they can't tell Cabot what's up. They promised the 0:37:49.360 --> 0:37:52.560 Dea that they would not tell the Ada. So they're 0:37:52.600 --> 0:37:54.640 just focusing on the murder. And they say that the 0:37:54.680 --> 0:37:57.360 glass comes from a yacht. But Alex is pushing like, 0:37:57.400 --> 0:37:59.560 how do you know? They say an informant. She goes, 0:37:59.600 --> 0:38:01.960 but how do I know it's reliable? They go, it's reliable, 0:38:02.000 --> 0:38:03.759 But yes, I need help, I need my job. This 0:38:03.800 --> 0:38:05.680 is my job on the line, and they're like, we 0:38:05.719 --> 0:38:08.960 can't tell you, and she goes, fine, I'll find a warrant. Anyways, 0:38:09.040 --> 0:38:12.960 I just why are youse guys so annoying? But Stabler goes, 0:38:13.040 --> 0:38:15.480 just trust us, trust us. And Alex, by the way, 0:38:15.520 --> 0:38:18.279 is having her full wispy bang moment and glasses. We 0:38:18.320 --> 0:38:21.640 are living, so you know, Jimmy, I go trust them. 0:38:21.680 --> 0:38:24.200 These are I was about to say they're ethical detectives, 0:38:24.239 --> 0:38:27.239 but that's not always true with one of them, well, 0:38:27.280 --> 0:38:28.239 actually with both of them. 0:38:28.280 --> 0:38:28.600 Okay. 0:38:29.040 --> 0:38:32.520 Anyways, so now bam, they are busting a party on 0:38:32.560 --> 0:38:32.920 the boat. 0:38:33.000 --> 0:38:34.800 Good music, lots of drinks. 0:38:34.840 --> 0:38:39.480 There's flutes, like I'm not flutes, the instrument like flut flutes. 0:38:39.560 --> 0:38:42.360 Yeah, it's like flutes. 0:38:43.719 --> 0:38:46.880 Now that Lizzo's brought flutes to the main front. 0:38:47.080 --> 0:38:47.640 It's tough. 0:38:49.200 --> 0:38:52.120 A lot of tube tops, summer skirts, and our duo 0:38:52.200 --> 0:38:55.920 is in bulletproof vests, looking very sexual. Everyone's hands are 0:38:56.040 --> 0:38:58.680 up and Stabler yells for Zapata, who walks down in 0:38:58.719 --> 0:39:02.359 a light colored suit, windy step style, calm as hell, 0:39:02.400 --> 0:39:05.560 and he goes, I am Rafael's Zapata and Ben's I 0:39:05.640 --> 0:39:07.839 honestly didn't even have to rewatch this episode to write 0:39:07.840 --> 0:39:09.719 this line by line, like that is how much I 0:39:09.760 --> 0:39:10.320 fucking love it? 0:39:10.400 --> 0:39:10.560 Yeah? 0:39:10.640 --> 0:39:13.920 Yeah, So Benson serves him a warrant. He says, I 0:39:13.920 --> 0:39:16.680 have nothing to hide. Stabler says, are you sure about that? 0:39:17.200 --> 0:39:20.520 And Zapota responds, law enforcement always look through my shit 0:39:20.640 --> 0:39:22.719 and they never find anything. And then one of my 0:39:22.760 --> 0:39:25.840 favorite lines in the series, Stabler says, well, this time 0:39:25.960 --> 0:39:27.319 you don't know what we're looking for. 0:39:28.040 --> 0:39:30.560 That's good. I think that's good. 0:39:30.840 --> 0:39:33.360 Benson is pulling sheets off a bed and it's like, 0:39:33.400 --> 0:39:36.520 you smell bleach. It's bleach. And it's also like, you're 0:39:36.560 --> 0:39:38.520 rich enough to have a whole fucking yacht. Aren't you 0:39:38.640 --> 0:39:41.560 rich enough to get a new mattress? Like yeah, why 0:39:41.560 --> 0:39:44.600 would you clean a mattress? Like you're a fucking millionaire, 0:39:44.640 --> 0:39:47.600 maybe even billionaire, and if I'm thinking about your assets, 0:39:48.280 --> 0:39:52.319 it's like it's a blood soaked mattress, Like why would 0:39:52.440 --> 0:39:54.680 you clean it? Throw it in the throw it in 0:39:54.719 --> 0:39:58.400 the river? Yeah, like what get a new mattress? So 0:40:00.080 --> 0:40:02.719 Benson starts cutting the mattress and in terms of like 0:40:02.800 --> 0:40:06.359 what is a not avi? What's the thing when like ASMR, 0:40:06.520 --> 0:40:09.000 Like I think cutting of a mattress is asmr to me. 0:40:09.080 --> 0:40:12.120 I like this, Oh you like that? Yeah? 0:40:12.239 --> 0:40:14.840 Or maybe once one of us gets a new mattress, 0:40:14.880 --> 0:40:17.880 we should just like for fun, ripper mattresses apart with knives, 0:40:17.960 --> 0:40:20.640 like I does. I want to know what that feels 0:40:20.719 --> 0:40:23.239 like and if it's as easy as Benson makes it look. 0:40:23.960 --> 0:40:27.719 And so there is blood inside of the mattress. So 0:40:27.760 --> 0:40:29.600 they go to arrest his ass for murder and he 0:40:29.719 --> 0:40:33.120 is shook. He said, you are making a very big mistake. 0:40:33.640 --> 0:40:35.600 And Benson is like, you don't even know how many 0:40:35.680 --> 0:40:36.839 mistakes you've made. 0:40:37.040 --> 0:40:37.720 Oh God. 0:40:38.160 --> 0:40:40.080 So it's time for court, and of course he has 0:40:40.120 --> 0:40:43.320 the slimiest of attorneys, Cindy Lapper's real life husband, David 0:40:43.360 --> 0:40:46.719 Thorton aka Lionel Granger. And I'll never forget when I 0:40:46.760 --> 0:40:49.120 posted a photo of Linel and I was. 0:40:49.120 --> 0:40:51.399 Like, married to Cindy Lauper, Oh my god. 0:40:51.480 --> 0:40:54.040 And someone goes, that is not his name, and I'd 0:40:54.160 --> 0:40:56.120 be like, yeah, no, we know. I just have an 0:40:56.160 --> 0:40:58.840 SVU podcast. And then she deleted all her comments and 0:40:58.840 --> 0:41:00.960 I was like, but I I do love someone being 0:41:01.040 --> 0:41:03.200 such a favorite favorite. 0:41:03.239 --> 0:41:04.200 What is it like fervant? 0:41:04.960 --> 0:41:07.279 Such a fervent David Thornton fan to get so mad 0:41:07.320 --> 0:41:09.320 at me that I called him Lionel Granger but didn't 0:41:09.360 --> 0:41:12.480 know his character name, but like, how dare you? And 0:41:12.520 --> 0:41:15.000 I was like, you're wrong, bitch, Okay, I'm right. 0:41:14.880 --> 0:41:16.520 And it's like if you know his career so well, 0:41:16.520 --> 0:41:17.760 you know he's Lionel Granger. 0:41:18.000 --> 0:41:20.879 I know it was funny, but I love when people 0:41:20.920 --> 0:41:25.360 are aggressive. Then quickly delete. Yeah, but Petrovsky is the 0:41:25.480 --> 0:41:26.719 judge like, are you kidding me? 0:41:27.200 --> 0:41:29.240 Are you kidding me? The Stellar group in court? 0:41:29.360 --> 0:41:31.600 This is if this was a draft pick of what 0:41:31.680 --> 0:41:34.279 I needed in court, this would be all number ones here. 0:41:34.320 --> 0:41:36.239 These are all number one draft picks in terms of 0:41:36.280 --> 0:41:39.800 courtroom scenes and acting skills. So of course Cabot wants 0:41:40.239 --> 0:41:42.719 remand and Lionel is being dramatic and it's like, I'll 0:41:42.719 --> 0:41:45.640 give you his passport. He's a family man and respected 0:41:45.680 --> 0:41:49.960 business guy, and it's like, lol, we can't let him out. 0:41:50.040 --> 0:41:53.960 He has personal airstrips, like he owns private planes and 0:41:54.040 --> 0:41:55.439 airstrips all over the world. 0:41:55.520 --> 0:41:57.960 There's no way we're letting him out. And you know how, 0:41:58.000 --> 0:41:58.279 like with. 0:41:58.360 --> 0:42:02.280 Josh Pays and Nikki Stain and like like with Pip A. Cox, 0:42:02.320 --> 0:42:05.000 we found their life story, Like, we got to learn 0:42:05.040 --> 0:42:09.280 about their backstory. I need an episode with Lionel Granger, 0:42:09.480 --> 0:42:11.880 Like I want to know more about his life. I 0:42:11.920 --> 0:42:14.279 need him back on the show and I need a backstory. 0:42:14.320 --> 0:42:16.520 Well yeah, because you got to assume if he is 0:42:16.560 --> 0:42:17.759 a lawyer, for like. 0:42:18.440 --> 0:42:21.840 The car tells like, that's he doesn't need to be 0:42:21.840 --> 0:42:22.879 defending anyone else. 0:42:22.880 --> 0:42:24.040 He's getting paid a lot. 0:42:24.120 --> 0:42:26.480 We don't need to ever see him defending another rapist, 0:42:26.520 --> 0:42:27.120 do you know what I mean? 0:42:27.239 --> 0:42:29.920 Like, and there's a target on his back. 0:42:29.760 --> 0:42:31.919 For sure, if he fucks up at all, Like that's 0:42:32.080 --> 0:42:34.920 crazy to take on those people as clients. 0:42:35.160 --> 0:42:38.759 Yeah, if you're listening or casting, sweetheart, I just I 0:42:38.800 --> 0:42:41.560 think we need some Granger backstory. 0:42:42.239 --> 0:42:48.120 He goes home and the lawyer's married to Cindy Lauper. Anyway. 0:42:48.200 --> 0:42:51.040 Granger is like, stop hating on the rich just because 0:42:51.080 --> 0:42:53.880 he's rich. He's bad, he has a clean record, and 0:42:53.920 --> 0:42:58.959 Petrovsky goes, Okay, shut up, I'm so. Petrofsky sets bail 0:42:58.960 --> 0:43:02.520 at five million dollars and wants his passport gavel bang bang, 0:43:02.920 --> 0:43:05.600 and Cabot stops Granger and is like, so's the PoTA 0:43:05.640 --> 0:43:08.239 still has you on retainer. I see that explains a 0:43:08.280 --> 0:43:11.160 three thousand dollars suit. How'd you get the blood out? 0:43:11.480 --> 0:43:14.160 And he says, my wife bought me this suit. Okay, 0:43:14.200 --> 0:43:15.040 who is your wife? 0:43:15.800 --> 0:43:17.920 Again? We'd like the backstory. 0:43:18.120 --> 0:43:23.320 Who is your wife? He says, Hey, everyone deserves a defense, 0:43:23.400 --> 0:43:26.120 and Alex responds, I would believe your idealism if you 0:43:26.160 --> 0:43:29.440 weren't enjoying yourself so much. And he says, I'm just 0:43:29.600 --> 0:43:32.279 naturally a happy person. I mean, I love him, I 0:43:32.360 --> 0:43:35.200 love him so much. But he pays a dominatrix for sure. 0:43:37.400 --> 0:43:39.960 He then hands her blue papers and is trying to 0:43:39.960 --> 0:43:42.520 get the search weren't thrown out, and she goes, excuse me, 0:43:42.719 --> 0:43:45.000 and then he goes and I will enjoy this. 0:43:45.280 --> 0:43:47.480 Oh god, this is the best episode. 0:43:47.680 --> 0:43:51.560 And now they're in chambers with Petrowski and Granger is 0:43:51.680 --> 0:43:54.000 arguing that he wants to vet the informant and how 0:43:54.000 --> 0:43:56.520 do we know if it's a credible person, and he's like, 0:43:56.640 --> 0:43:59.000 just produce the informant and prove what you know that 0:43:59.080 --> 0:44:02.560 he's legit and easy psy and Cabot's like, listen, there's 0:44:02.600 --> 0:44:04.960 a Goggins case and it's the if it's like, for 0:44:05.000 --> 0:44:07.640 the safety of the informant or to keep the information flowing, 0:44:07.680 --> 0:44:10.160 we have to keep it a secret. And Line was like, yeah, 0:44:10.160 --> 0:44:12.319 but how do we even know this person exists? And 0:44:12.360 --> 0:44:15.200 Cabot goes, well, he was accurate, and then they argue 0:44:15.239 --> 0:44:17.680 about the fibers. Line is like, I mean all we 0:44:17.760 --> 0:44:21.000 got was location of homicide. What if your informant committed 0:44:21.000 --> 0:44:23.160 the murder? How about that, Alex? And that's like so 0:44:23.320 --> 0:44:27.440 fucking annoying. So Petrowsky does order a dart in hearing though, 0:44:27.520 --> 0:44:30.080 which means like this person meets the judge in secret 0:44:30.160 --> 0:44:32.279 and if she and she gets to decide if it's 0:44:32.320 --> 0:44:32.960 like a. 0:44:33.000 --> 0:44:34.400 Reliable informant or not. 0:44:34.840 --> 0:44:38.560 Alex tries to convince Bennettson and Stabler now at the precinct, 0:44:38.800 --> 0:44:41.240 like we need this guy, and they'll go, no, bitch, 0:44:41.280 --> 0:44:43.960 you're not getting him. No one is going to chambers 0:44:44.000 --> 0:44:46.120 like people can get killed, and Cabot's like, who the 0:44:46.239 --> 0:44:50.279 fuck is this? But they get through, and now they're 0:44:50.320 --> 0:44:52.880 at the DEA offices and Cabot is meeting the hottie 0:44:52.880 --> 0:44:54.840 and he's like, did anyone follow you? And she's like 0:44:54.880 --> 0:44:56.759 I don't know, and he's stressed out. He's looking at 0:44:56.760 --> 0:44:58.840 the blinds. He's like, I'm not doing shit for you. 0:44:58.920 --> 0:45:01.799 The answer is no, and Cabot makes it about her 0:45:01.800 --> 0:45:03.600 and says, if you don't go, I actually will be 0:45:03.640 --> 0:45:06.720 held in contempt and he says that's your problem. She says, 0:45:06.800 --> 0:45:08.799 I'm not going to jail for you, and he's like 0:45:09.040 --> 0:45:12.839 drop it, and she says she can't, and he's like, 0:45:13.160 --> 0:45:15.800 when shit goes down, there will be blood on your hands. 0:45:15.840 --> 0:45:18.759 And she's like, okay, can you calm down? But it's 0:45:18.800 --> 0:45:24.720 also like, can you not sense the danger this deagent 0:45:24.920 --> 0:45:28.960 is looking out the blinds, like like, I just don't 0:45:29.040 --> 0:45:33.160 understand why everyone's ignoring the severity of the threat of 0:45:34.000 --> 0:45:35.560 the Columbian drug cartel. 0:45:35.680 --> 0:45:37.840 Yeah. God. 0:45:39.280 --> 0:45:41.400 So then he goes, you really don't get this, Like 0:45:41.440 --> 0:45:44.400 you don't know anything, do you? And she and so 0:45:44.520 --> 0:45:47.280 now she runs to talk to her mentor, Fred Thompson, 0:45:47.760 --> 0:45:51.200 and he's like, so the detectives put you in this pickle, huh, 0:45:51.239 --> 0:45:53.840 And she defends her detectives and he goes, listen, I 0:45:53.840 --> 0:45:55.880 don't care, I don't need that. We just got to 0:45:55.920 --> 0:45:59.120 find a way out of this, and she's like it'll 0:45:59.160 --> 0:46:02.000 be being bad quick style, don't worry, and it's like 0:46:02.120 --> 0:46:06.160 you can't again, like everyone is pressed, even Fred Thompson. 0:46:06.320 --> 0:46:09.800 Everyone is worried, so like, why can't you just kind 0:46:09.840 --> 0:46:12.360 of get their fear a little bit? And she's like, 0:46:12.440 --> 0:46:14.839 we will make all the efforts to keep it confidential, 0:46:14.880 --> 0:46:17.840 and Petrovsky knows that too, and then Fred with a burn, 0:46:18.000 --> 0:46:21.080 is like, just because you don't see the threat, you 0:46:21.120 --> 0:46:23.480 don't think it's real, and she goes, no, I know 0:46:23.600 --> 0:46:26.480 it's real, and he goes, well, you're not acting like it, honey, 0:46:26.960 --> 0:46:29.680 and he basically is like, cut the guy a deal, 0:46:30.080 --> 0:46:32.840 just cut a deal. So now we're in a little 0:46:32.840 --> 0:46:36.560 conference room and she is offering Zapota and Granger manslaughter 0:46:36.640 --> 0:46:39.160 for eight to ten and he's like pass. And this 0:46:39.200 --> 0:46:41.399 is the calm Olympics. Everyone is trying to be as 0:46:41.440 --> 0:46:45.120 calm as possible, and Alex and Zapata have a calm 0:46:45.200 --> 0:46:48.279 back and forth exchange and he's like, this informant is 0:46:48.320 --> 0:46:50.239 going to keep his mouth shut, and she's like, you 0:46:50.280 --> 0:46:52.560 don't know who it is, how do you know when 0:46:52.640 --> 0:46:56.319 that will be? And he responds, so you say, and 0:46:56.440 --> 0:46:59.240 this is like an eye contact Olympics too. They are calm, 0:46:59.320 --> 0:47:01.600 they are staring at each other and they are true, 0:47:01.640 --> 0:47:05.520 you know, playing big dick games. So Kabithan leans in 0:47:05.560 --> 0:47:08.960 and says, and tell your client if he intimidates our informant, 0:47:09.400 --> 0:47:11.720 I will have his bail revoked and is asked thrown 0:47:11.800 --> 0:47:15.359 back to Rikers. Zapata does not like that one bit 0:47:15.480 --> 0:47:19.760 and he says, you can't threaten me, bitch and badass response, 0:47:19.800 --> 0:47:24.560 she goes, I just did. Granger is like okay, well 0:47:24.600 --> 0:47:27.200 we're out, and Zappada is not okay with what just happened. 0:47:27.239 --> 0:47:29.120 He goes, you're going to allow a woman to act 0:47:29.200 --> 0:47:32.920 like this, and Alex goes, yes, mister, Zapata also, a 0:47:32.960 --> 0:47:35.520 woman can say anything she wants about your performance in 0:47:35.520 --> 0:47:38.759 the bedroom and you don't get to kill her. He 0:47:38.920 --> 0:47:41.680 leaps up to try to attack her. The table flies 0:47:41.719 --> 0:47:45.760 around and is her only protection. Alex leaps back. Granger 0:47:45.880 --> 0:47:47.640 tries to get in the middle and is pushing the 0:47:47.680 --> 0:47:49.920 table back to keep Zapata on the other side of 0:47:49.960 --> 0:47:52.520 the table. His hair pieces slide into the front of 0:47:52.520 --> 0:47:56.640 his terrifying ways. Alex looks scared. People walk in to 0:47:56.680 --> 0:47:59.520 get him out. There is like the stress intention in 0:47:59.560 --> 0:48:02.359 the room is there. You feel it, you see it. 0:48:02.440 --> 0:48:06.279 You are stressed for everybody Lionel says, well, that was fun. 0:48:06.440 --> 0:48:09.480 Let's go Raphael and I would be scared if someone 0:48:09.480 --> 0:48:11.560 looked at me the way Zapata is looking at Alex, 0:48:11.640 --> 0:48:13.480 Like this is one scary motherfucker. 0:48:14.040 --> 0:48:16.560 Yeah, he is scary. And now we're at. 0:48:16.400 --> 0:48:19.200 A walk and talk with Alex and the detectives. See 0:48:19.200 --> 0:48:20.759 this is the thing on alease, Like you went and 0:48:20.800 --> 0:48:23.200 watched forty one Witnesses, doesn't this make you want to 0:48:23.239 --> 0:48:28.200 watch this one? Like I'm like, this is yes, yes, 0:48:28.960 --> 0:48:32.000 this is like so fucking good. And now we're at 0:48:32.000 --> 0:48:34.040 a walk and talk with Alex and the detectives and 0:48:34.080 --> 0:48:36.439 they are discussing all the options and she's like, yes, 0:48:36.520 --> 0:48:38.360 I know, it's all bad options, and we have to 0:48:38.360 --> 0:48:39.480 pick one of the bad options. 0:48:39.520 --> 0:48:40.600 I don't know what to tell you. 0:48:41.680 --> 0:48:44.080 And it's a cool overhead shot and it follows them 0:48:44.120 --> 0:48:46.200 up as they walk up the stairs in the middle 0:48:46.200 --> 0:48:47.000 of the priestinct. 0:48:47.120 --> 0:48:48.400 So it's very great directions. 0:48:48.440 --> 0:48:50.239 So of course I looked it up and it's a 0:48:50.239 --> 0:48:54.719 man named Constantine Macris. He has done twenty six episodes 0:48:54.719 --> 0:48:57.880 of SVU, ten episodes of Orange Is the New Black, 0:48:57.960 --> 0:49:02.560 and a whopping sixty three lawn order. OG's amongst other things. 0:49:02.600 --> 0:49:06.480 So he's had a very great career in television. Great job, Constantine. 0:49:06.520 --> 0:49:09.080 I think one of our actors that we interviewed mentioned 0:49:09.120 --> 0:49:09.680 him as well. 0:49:10.080 --> 0:49:14.719 Yeah, he is talented because all the scenes are very 0:49:14.719 --> 0:49:16.480 hard to direct. I feel like what they did with 0:49:16.560 --> 0:49:20.600 the boat and the fighting around the table, like he 0:49:20.840 --> 0:49:24.319 this is a skilled guy. So Alex Cabot's cell phone 0:49:24.360 --> 0:49:28.239 rings fuck X PARTA meeting is going down in chambers. 0:49:28.520 --> 0:49:30.760 Oh, you know how we love an ex party meeting. 0:49:30.800 --> 0:49:31.080 I know. 0:49:31.160 --> 0:49:33.320 I was just thinking in my head maybe the tattoo 0:49:33.400 --> 0:49:35.680 I get is ex partey, but no one's gonna know 0:49:35.719 --> 0:49:36.360 what that means. 0:49:36.680 --> 0:49:40.080 I can't just get X Parte on my arm, but 0:49:40.800 --> 0:49:41.279 we should do. 0:49:41.360 --> 0:49:44.000 Anyone who has ideas for me that are not basic, 0:49:44.360 --> 0:49:46.000 do not send me. Why don't you get a heart? 0:49:46.000 --> 0:49:48.920 That says Benson. No, that's not what I'm gay. But 0:49:49.600 --> 0:49:52.560 X Party, I think is like people in the legal 0:49:52.560 --> 0:49:55.480 profession might be like, why is why do you want that? 0:49:56.640 --> 0:50:01.280 What's going on? It's kind of like with my who's 0:50:01.320 --> 0:50:02.319 the my chip girl? 0:50:03.160 --> 0:50:05.399 Oh? Oh the uts girl? The uts Yeah. 0:50:05.400 --> 0:50:07.400 Whenever people are like, oh you're from Maryland, I go no, 0:50:07.480 --> 0:50:08.960 They're like, why do you have her, and it's like, 0:50:09.600 --> 0:50:12.480 I like uts, I don't love I like the girl 0:50:13.120 --> 0:50:15.319 I picked. I picked her off a wall. I go, 0:50:15.400 --> 0:50:17.040 oh my god, I do love her. Oh you just 0:50:17.120 --> 0:50:19.080 like the girl. But do you like the chips? 0:50:19.360 --> 0:50:20.200 The chips are good? 0:50:20.400 --> 0:50:22.640 I mean I will, I will get them because she's 0:50:22.719 --> 0:50:25.000 on it, and I love like the barbecue. She has 0:50:25.040 --> 0:50:27.040 an orange bow like I like that. They color code 0:50:27.040 --> 0:50:30.560 her outfit to the bag of chip. But people want 0:50:30.600 --> 0:50:34.279 more meaning behind it. They're like, oh, Maryland, No, not 0:50:34.400 --> 0:50:37.000 at all. I was just lived near a tattoo shop 0:50:37.000 --> 0:50:39.160 and she was cute and in New York. What's awesome 0:50:39.239 --> 0:50:41.319 is you saw the trucks all the time, so I 0:50:41.320 --> 0:50:42.239 would see her like. 0:50:42.320 --> 0:50:45.120 Yeah, yeah, but that was like my go to bag 0:50:45.120 --> 0:50:46.240 of chips at my boudeiga. 0:50:46.280 --> 0:50:49.320 I fucking love uts so much. They're so salty and delicious, 0:50:49.360 --> 0:50:50.480 and that's good to know. 0:50:50.680 --> 0:50:52.880 Maybe I'll get you a big cheese puff thing for 0:50:52.920 --> 0:50:53.600 a birthday. 0:50:53.760 --> 0:50:55.960 Oh, a big bin. 0:50:57.480 --> 0:51:00.360 So But yeah, so I can't just get random eagle, 0:51:00.680 --> 0:51:02.840 Like what do I get? And I love Petrovsky like 0:51:02.880 --> 0:51:05.799 that seems specked up too. Maybe I do just get 0:51:05.800 --> 0:51:07.440 a Petrofsky. 0:51:10.040 --> 0:51:12.080 She'll definitely do the pod then if we send her 0:51:12.080 --> 0:51:12.520 a picture. 0:51:12.880 --> 0:51:19.920 Yeah, so she is or fishing expedition, Like do I 0:51:19.920 --> 0:51:20.799 get a fish and hook? 0:51:20.840 --> 0:51:22.960 That says fishing expedition, Like I don't. 0:51:22.800 --> 0:51:25.120 Think I get like iced tea with a shark body 0:51:25.200 --> 0:51:26.120 or something like that. 0:51:26.520 --> 0:51:28.319 What was that idea? I don't know. 0:51:30.040 --> 0:51:32.840 So she's but Alex is scared about this ex party 0:51:32.880 --> 0:51:35.080 meeting and she knows like this isn't good. 0:51:35.280 --> 0:51:36.959 This is some this isn't good. 0:51:37.400 --> 0:51:40.520 So in the meeting there's the DA and the d 0:51:40.640 --> 0:51:43.760 o J, and it's a lot of you know, whites 0:51:43.800 --> 0:51:46.960 and ties. And so the Department of Justice guy has 0:51:47.000 --> 0:51:50.200 been in four total SVU episodes in all different characters. 0:51:50.600 --> 0:51:54.480 And I think he's the guy that is Miranda Priestley's 0:51:54.600 --> 0:51:58.560 husband or no, he's the head of Vogue Publishing in 0:51:58.920 --> 0:51:59.800 Devilwar's product. 0:52:00.160 --> 0:52:03.719 Yeah, so this guy is Yep, the husband's in a 0:52:03.719 --> 0:52:04.920 differentness for you. Okay. 0:52:05.040 --> 0:52:10.480 So so the DOJ guy he hands Alex a document 0:52:10.560 --> 0:52:14.920 stating that Petrofsky is barred from subpoenaing a federal agent 0:52:14.960 --> 0:52:18.000 because it would fuck with an ongoing investigation and nothing 0:52:18.080 --> 0:52:18.600 can be done. 0:52:18.719 --> 0:52:19.760 The search is out. 0:52:20.239 --> 0:52:23.080 Nobody is happy and Petrofsky's going to take it out 0:52:23.080 --> 0:52:26.120 on mister Riley from the DOJ and says, and I 0:52:26.280 --> 0:52:28.879 never want to see this many lawyers in my chambers again. 0:52:29.000 --> 0:52:31.520 So next time, leave the dog and ponies show at home, 0:52:31.960 --> 0:52:35.000 he says, he understands. Everyone leaves, and now it's a 0:52:35.080 --> 0:52:37.800 states rights issue. And Alex and the detectives are bitching 0:52:37.800 --> 0:52:41.040 in the hallways and the hotty Dea arrives with bad, 0:52:41.280 --> 0:52:42.280 bad news. 0:52:42.600 --> 0:52:43.360 There's a threat. 0:52:43.440 --> 0:52:45.960 They're like, who gives a shit, and no, the threats 0:52:45.960 --> 0:52:48.640 against you, Cabot, and we need to protect Cabot at 0:52:48.680 --> 0:52:51.440 all costs. And so they're now in an office listening 0:52:51.480 --> 0:52:57.880 to a rape recorder. Do you think Google docs just 0:52:58.000 --> 0:53:00.960 changed it? Because I rather like she probably meant yeah, yeah. 0:53:00.880 --> 0:53:06.600 Yeah, that stays in. That stays in for sure, and 0:53:06.640 --> 0:53:07.920 they're yeah. 0:53:07.920 --> 0:53:10.920 So they're listening to a tape recorder and it's inmates 0:53:10.920 --> 0:53:13.879 and they're chatting and this only happened like six hours ago, 0:53:13.960 --> 0:53:17.520 and they confirm Cabot's address. They know where she lives, 0:53:17.600 --> 0:53:20.200 they know when she gets home, they know when she jogs, 0:53:20.560 --> 0:53:22.279 they know her mother's address. 0:53:22.760 --> 0:53:25.719 And she's like, how do they know this? And it's like, we've. 0:53:25.440 --> 0:53:30.120 Been warning you her danger girl, like everyone's been warning 0:53:30.160 --> 0:53:33.480 you all fucking night. And again he's like, have you 0:53:33.600 --> 0:53:37.120 noticed people following you or taping your shit? And Benson's like, well, 0:53:37.239 --> 0:53:41.319 obviously protective detail now armed guards, there's federal marshals on 0:53:41.400 --> 0:53:45.080 her at all times. Security is high, home, office, everywhere. 0:53:45.400 --> 0:53:48.200 But Cabot's pulling up Benson being being like, no, I 0:53:48.239 --> 0:53:52.000 want to go home, now, shut up. So the dea 0:53:52.120 --> 0:53:54.600 Hotty goes out and says, don't worry. We'll find the 0:53:54.640 --> 0:53:57.640 sky and we'll put him away. And they have chemistry. Okay, 0:53:58.000 --> 0:54:01.719 there are fireworks. I say it is, it's hot, and 0:54:01.760 --> 0:54:04.400 he's like, don't worry. If I have to, I will 0:54:04.560 --> 0:54:09.440 testify an open court and then yeah everyone. So basically 0:54:09.440 --> 0:54:11.520 he's like, you're hot. I'll jeopardize my life. I know 0:54:11.560 --> 0:54:13.560 I said I cared, but I'll die for you. And 0:54:14.280 --> 0:54:16.480 it's like, yeah, if this was a rom com, they 0:54:16.480 --> 0:54:19.480 would be making out. So and then I'm like, assuming 0:54:19.520 --> 0:54:20.840 he'd be cheating on his wife. But I don't know 0:54:20.840 --> 0:54:23.400 why I'm assuming he's married, but whatever. 0:54:23.120 --> 0:54:24.799 I think because you've watched the episode and we find 0:54:24.800 --> 0:54:25.600 out later that he is. 0:54:25.840 --> 0:54:28.440 No, I they he only says he has kids at 0:54:28.440 --> 0:54:31.160 the end, Oh that's true, right, No, because I thought 0:54:31.160 --> 0:54:34.680 the same thing, and exactly this is what happened to 0:54:34.680 --> 0:54:37.000 me in Pittsburgh. I kept going, so, you guys have kids, 0:54:37.000 --> 0:54:40.200 and one of them would be like, they're her kids. Ah, 0:54:40.239 --> 0:54:42.960 that kid kids, Like all these people with kids date, 0:54:43.040 --> 0:54:46.200 we forget everyone gets divorced or like aren't with their partners, 0:54:46.200 --> 0:54:48.480 and like, even though we're cool and we know everyone 0:54:48.520 --> 0:54:51.720 living different lives and respect it all, like, it's still 0:54:51.760 --> 0:54:55.600 like senormative in my head because I was like, yeap 0:54:55.719 --> 0:54:57.640 cheating on his wife, and then I heard it later 0:54:57.719 --> 0:54:59.719 and it was like, oh, yeah, he just has kids. Later, 0:54:59.800 --> 0:55:02.680 so well, you know, maybe he wasn't cheating and he 0:55:02.719 --> 0:55:05.440 was looking for a stepmom. And you know, we'll see 0:55:05.480 --> 0:55:08.400 it could have been Cabot, could have been. So after 0:55:08.520 --> 0:55:11.520 this like sexual moment, he goes to the car and 0:55:11.719 --> 0:55:15.839 the three Benson, Stabler, Cabot are chatting and Benson. 0:55:15.560 --> 0:55:16.759 Suggests to sleepover. 0:55:17.440 --> 0:55:22.240 Then boom, dea guy's car fully explodes fire. He's dead. 0:55:22.880 --> 0:55:27.800 Fuck right when we started to like him. Finally they realize, wow, 0:55:27.880 --> 0:55:33.520 this is serious. Yeah, finally, So there's a commercial break. 0:55:33.560 --> 0:55:37.120 Obviously a man just got car exploded, and we're back 0:55:37.120 --> 0:55:39.680 from the break in a bustling crime scene and they 0:55:39.760 --> 0:55:42.160 zoom in on Alex, cut up, stressed out face and 0:55:42.200 --> 0:55:44.960 she's wrapped in a blanket, and you know there's trauma 0:55:45.000 --> 0:55:48.560 when someone's wrapped in a blanket. So Benson is pepping 0:55:48.600 --> 0:55:51.719 her up, like you couldn't have done anything differently, and 0:55:51.760 --> 0:55:55.279 it's like, you could have, you could have, and then 0:55:55.320 --> 0:55:58.080 it's like, oh no, the da the not hot one, 0:55:58.160 --> 0:56:01.560 the best friend. He approaches Alex and he's so pissed 0:56:01.560 --> 0:56:04.880 and he's just like an exasperated how and she says, 0:56:04.960 --> 0:56:07.399 I don't know and this is not a good enough 0:56:07.440 --> 0:56:08.439 answer for him, and he goes. 0:56:08.360 --> 0:56:11.040 Are you kidding me? He had two kids? Did you 0:56:11.160 --> 0:56:16.880 know that? So that's really sad. Benson says, knock it off, 0:56:16.960 --> 0:56:19.200 and he does not knock it off. He goes, you 0:56:19.239 --> 0:56:22.800 were careless, you wouldn't listen. Well, do you get it now? 0:56:22.880 --> 0:56:26.400 And Stabler says enough and Stabler that then turns to 0:56:26.480 --> 0:56:28.399 Alex and says, we're taking you off this case. 0:56:28.440 --> 0:56:30.840 And the DEA guy is like, you have no case. 0:56:30.880 --> 0:56:33.919 It blew up with Donovan and walks away and he's 0:56:34.000 --> 0:56:37.840 obviously grieving like he's pissed. So I excuse all of 0:56:37.880 --> 0:56:41.040 his behavior, and I think Alex Cabbitt deserves being yelled at. Sorry, 0:56:41.440 --> 0:56:43.920 But like, also, if you're Dea and you're working against 0:56:43.920 --> 0:56:45.359 these guys, don't you have to have like a bomb 0:56:45.400 --> 0:56:47.680 sniffing dog check out your car every fucking time you 0:56:47.719 --> 0:56:50.000 get in it or something like that. 0:56:50.080 --> 0:56:52.239 This is their main thing. They love to blow up 0:56:52.280 --> 0:56:52.960 fucking cars. 0:56:53.280 --> 0:56:54.920 Like I would never be able to get in my 0:56:54.960 --> 0:56:57.839 car and turn the key if I was this guy. 0:56:57.920 --> 0:56:58.480 These guys. 0:56:58.840 --> 0:57:01.560 Yeah, Oh, and we know Alex's cabot though, so like 0:57:01.600 --> 0:57:03.000 we know she's not gonna step down. 0:57:03.120 --> 0:57:04.959 She fucking went to the congo, you know what I. 0:57:04.840 --> 0:57:09.279 Mean, Like like we're gonna get this guy's ass. So 0:57:09.320 --> 0:57:11.360 we're back at the precincte and it's all hands on 0:57:11.440 --> 0:57:13.160 deck figuring out how, you know, what are we going 0:57:13.200 --> 0:57:16.120 to do next? Alex says, how do they know Donovan 0:57:16.200 --> 0:57:18.960 was connected? And it's like, well, you were at his office, 0:57:19.200 --> 0:57:22.760 so what are you talking about. Munch says they have 0:57:22.840 --> 0:57:25.280 money and power, that's all you really need to do anything. 0:57:25.320 --> 0:57:27.640 And of course Alex says, she's not backing down and 0:57:27.680 --> 0:57:30.240 has protection and it's chill, and Benson's like, Alex, you 0:57:30.280 --> 0:57:33.000 don't have to die for this case. She goes, No, 0:57:33.120 --> 0:57:35.160 these men live off of other people's fear, and I'm 0:57:35.200 --> 0:57:35.720 sick of it. 0:57:36.400 --> 0:57:39.080 And I noticed this. She had pearl study ear rings. Cute. 0:57:40.000 --> 0:57:42.720 Intimidation is always there, whether it's me or the next 0:57:42.760 --> 0:57:45.040 person in the office. And they agree with her, and 0:57:45.080 --> 0:57:46.880 they go, Okay, let's get to work and let's drag 0:57:46.920 --> 0:57:50.000 everyone from the boat in because someone knows something. And 0:57:50.080 --> 0:57:52.600 Craigan asks to speak to her privately, and in the 0:57:52.640 --> 0:57:55.160 office he's like, I know you wouldn't let this die. 0:57:55.280 --> 0:57:57.320 So he gives her his old gun and got her 0:57:57.360 --> 0:58:00.560 a permit, like rushed for the gun. So then Craigan 0:58:00.560 --> 0:58:03.480 gets a call and he tells Cabot, the boss is 0:58:03.480 --> 0:58:05.720 looking for you. So we go back to Fred's and 0:58:05.760 --> 0:58:09.000 he's drinking a brown liquor. He starts going down memory 0:58:09.080 --> 0:58:11.840 lane about cops being killed daily by Peblo at Pablo 0:58:11.880 --> 0:58:15.200 at Peblo, by Pablo Escobar, and how a bunch of 0:58:15.240 --> 0:58:18.800 former judges, prosecutors, and law enforcement people walking around every 0:58:18.880 --> 0:58:20.800 day with armed guards to this day. 0:58:21.320 --> 0:58:21.840 Is this true? 0:58:21.880 --> 0:58:25.320 We'll find out from Kara, But to imagine, like a 0:58:25.400 --> 0:58:27.800 job you did thirty years ago and you still need 0:58:27.840 --> 0:58:31.040 protection every single day. And how much money and witness 0:58:31.080 --> 0:58:35.560 protection goes into like this drug trade that the American 0:58:35.600 --> 0:58:36.800 government benefits from. 0:58:36.800 --> 0:58:39.360 I'm betting. I don't God, I hate everything. 0:58:39.480 --> 0:58:43.000 Legalize drugs, Legalize all drugs, all of them. 0:58:43.160 --> 0:58:44.680 Like what are we talking about? 0:58:45.520 --> 0:58:47.880 So yeah, so, like the rest of their lives is 0:58:47.920 --> 0:58:50.240 truly on edge forever because they stood up to the 0:58:50.280 --> 0:58:53.760 cartel who only cares about keeping their business afloat. And 0:58:53.800 --> 0:58:55.680 she says, that's why we got to fight them, and 0:58:55.680 --> 0:58:58.000 he's like, girl, we've been fighting them since before you 0:58:58.040 --> 0:58:58.480 were born. 0:58:58.560 --> 0:59:00.000 And we're dropping the case. 0:59:00.840 --> 0:59:02.920 The Feds have a better case against him than we 0:59:02.960 --> 0:59:05.200 would ever have, so give it to them. There's too 0:59:05.280 --> 0:59:07.800 many people who have already died. And she's sad about this, 0:59:07.920 --> 0:59:10.520 but they understand. So they're back at trial and the 0:59:10.560 --> 0:59:14.240 case is dropped. So Granger and Zapata seem very very proud, 0:59:14.560 --> 0:59:17.320 and Zapada slowly walks out of the courtroom as the 0:59:17.440 --> 0:59:20.080 US Marshals come in to arrest him and he is 0:59:20.080 --> 0:59:22.400 being charged with the murder of a federal agent. He 0:59:22.440 --> 0:59:24.959 gives dirty looks to Alex while he's slowly being walked 0:59:24.960 --> 0:59:28.760 away in cuffs. The FBI connected Zapata to the car bomb, 0:59:28.760 --> 0:59:32.040 who then gave up Caesar Vales, which doesn't seem realistic. 0:59:32.520 --> 0:59:35.800 I can't imagine Zapata giving up Vales, Like I what 0:59:36.600 --> 0:59:38.120 you guys work together on. 0:59:38.080 --> 0:59:39.520 How to kill every rat? Ever? 0:59:39.720 --> 0:59:42.040 Like why would you give why would you give up 0:59:42.080 --> 0:59:44.360 the main boss? This seems shocking to me, but I 0:59:44.360 --> 0:59:46.280 guess he does think he has so many assets that 0:59:46.320 --> 0:59:47.520 he could be able to get away. 0:59:47.600 --> 0:59:52.360 But like I, this this is where the show. I don't, uh, 0:59:52.640 --> 0:59:54.760 you're dead if you do that, Like you're dead? You 0:59:54.840 --> 0:59:56.600 do you would give up somebody underneath you? 0:59:56.760 --> 0:59:59.080 Or something like why wouldn't you just stay in prison 0:59:59.160 --> 1:00:00.000 and get idos? 1:00:00.120 --> 1:00:02.160 I don't understand at all. 1:00:03.160 --> 1:00:05.400 So anyways, but if this all goes down the way 1:00:05.400 --> 1:00:10.000 they hope, they can arrest Valais and begin extradition processes. 1:00:10.440 --> 1:00:13.240 And so Alex asks what does Zapata get for his 1:00:13.360 --> 1:00:16.040 troubles reduce sentence in a new identity? 1:00:16.080 --> 1:00:16.840 Finn guesses. 1:00:17.400 --> 1:00:19.760 Munch and Finn leave and then Craigan, on her threesome, 1:00:19.800 --> 1:00:21.680 is left with a pretty full picture of beer. 1:00:21.880 --> 1:00:22.600 So they're at a bar. 1:00:23.400 --> 1:00:25.800 We had a good run Stabler says, and like we 1:00:25.920 --> 1:00:28.840 had to get screwed sometime. It happens, and Benson adds 1:00:28.880 --> 1:00:31.800 Valez can do more damage to Zapota now than the 1:00:32.040 --> 1:00:35.160 justice system ever could. So even Benson's like, don't worry, 1:00:36.000 --> 1:00:40.160 Valz is gonna kill this motherfucker. And you know, Alex 1:00:40.240 --> 1:00:43.000 is getting all existential and she's just like it never 1:00:43.040 --> 1:00:43.880 seems like enough. 1:00:44.320 --> 1:00:45.600 She's sick of what happens with. 1:00:45.560 --> 1:00:48.000 The victims, and even when we win, we don't and 1:00:48.000 --> 1:00:50.840 they all leave the bar and she's like, I'll walk 1:00:50.880 --> 1:00:53.440 and it's like you cannot walk? 1:00:53.600 --> 1:00:55.600 Does the trauma leave this fast? 1:00:56.920 --> 1:00:59.600 And then oh no, a black suv comes and shoots 1:00:59.640 --> 1:01:03.200 cabin bang bang. She's knocked the fuck out out cold. 1:01:03.560 --> 1:01:06.160 Stabler tries to run after the suv. It does not work. 1:01:06.240 --> 1:01:09.080 Benson's like, okay, it's okay, Alex, You'll be okay. And 1:01:09.200 --> 1:01:11.600 blood is rushing out of Alex's cabot. It is not 1:01:11.720 --> 1:01:14.880 looking good. Nobody called a bus though, so that's not 1:01:14.960 --> 1:01:17.880 by the book. Now it's October first, and we're at 1:01:17.920 --> 1:01:20.800 the squad room and they're all so sad. 1:01:21.280 --> 1:01:23.080 Munch is not talking strange. 1:01:23.640 --> 1:01:26.480 Everyone's on the verge of tears, finn Head is in 1:01:26.560 --> 1:01:29.840 his hands, Stabler is staring off and then it pans 1:01:29.880 --> 1:01:31.520 down to what he's looking at and it's the New 1:01:31.600 --> 1:01:35.320 York Ledger and it says no leads on slain Ada, 1:01:35.480 --> 1:01:39.240 and it's a giant pick of cabot. Cragan walks out 1:01:39.280 --> 1:01:42.120 of his office and is just talking straight business about 1:01:42.120 --> 1:01:45.880 other cases and bitching about other Adas sucking at their jobs. 1:01:46.240 --> 1:01:48.520 Craigan says the potter was found dead in a cell, 1:01:48.600 --> 1:01:53.120 but also, yeah, dumb. So there goes Vellez's extradition and 1:01:53.440 --> 1:01:55.240 all of this, like what the fuck? I guess the 1:01:55.360 --> 1:01:58.000 pot is dead and that is justice in some way, 1:01:58.080 --> 1:02:01.680 but this is tough stuff. Then Craigan tells Benson and 1:02:01.720 --> 1:02:05.680 Stabler that DA agent Hannah, the not hot one, wants 1:02:05.720 --> 1:02:08.680 to see them tonight, something about closing out the case. 1:02:09.160 --> 1:02:12.560 So they meet in a marsh like rocky secret area 1:02:13.080 --> 1:02:15.120 and he's like, sorry, it's the only way to do this, 1:02:15.240 --> 1:02:18.760 and Benson's like, do what and the DEA guy responds, 1:02:18.800 --> 1:02:20.320 she wouldn't take no for an answer. 1:02:20.440 --> 1:02:22.240 A real pain in the ass this one. 1:02:22.640 --> 1:02:26.720 And out of the black suv is cabin she's alive 1:02:27.280 --> 1:02:28.160 in a ponytail. 1:02:28.280 --> 1:02:29.200 Oh, it's so good. 1:02:29.880 --> 1:02:32.520 She says, I'm sorry about all of this, and Benson 1:02:32.560 --> 1:02:34.960 starts crying, Oh my god, she's such a good actress. 1:02:35.000 --> 1:02:37.920 And she mutters, your funeral is tomorrow. 1:02:38.000 --> 1:02:40.680 And the DEA guy says yes, and you're both expected 1:02:40.680 --> 1:02:43.160 to be there. And she is going to win and 1:02:43.200 --> 1:02:47.200 to witness protection until Veales is extradited or dealt with 1:02:47.320 --> 1:02:49.960 in some other way, and they don't know for how long, 1:02:50.080 --> 1:02:52.280 and they're just like on the move. She has a 1:02:52.320 --> 1:02:55.160 sling on her arm, and so it was a real 1:02:55.200 --> 1:02:57.880 blood and it was a real shooting that she had survived, 1:02:57.880 --> 1:02:59.680 because I think all along I did think this was 1:02:59.680 --> 1:03:02.080 a fake shooting, and like, how did they plan this 1:03:02.160 --> 1:03:04.800 fake shooting? But I think she was shot. They just 1:03:04.840 --> 1:03:07.479 didn't kill her, and so she could have been dead. 1:03:07.560 --> 1:03:13.200 So that's like, thank god she's alive, but what she's whatever. 1:03:13.200 --> 1:03:15.439 They would have shot her more times, but they saved her. 1:03:16.080 --> 1:03:18.680 She did bleed. She has a sling, and now it 1:03:18.760 --> 1:03:21.880 closes on Benson and Stabler's faces, like as they'd taken 1:03:21.920 --> 1:03:25.680 all the information, and all the SUVs move with Cabot 1:03:25.800 --> 1:03:27.560 going into witness protection. 1:03:28.560 --> 1:03:32.960 Damn, and she goes to fucking Wisconsin. Well, thank you, Lisa. 1:03:33.040 --> 1:03:35.960 That was a recap of a classic, and we will 1:03:36.000 --> 1:03:51.480 be right back with the true crime of it all. 1:03:51.600 --> 1:03:55.240 All right, Cara, I'm so excited. I actually don't know 1:03:55.480 --> 1:04:00.120 anything about Like I know they're bad, but this I've 1:04:00.160 --> 1:04:03.160 seen the movie blow Babously. I gave my first blow 1:04:03.240 --> 1:04:08.440 job during that movie, so on the nose, so on 1:04:08.480 --> 1:04:11.800 the and then his sister walked in on us. But 1:04:12.920 --> 1:04:16.880 I stay away from this genre of filmmaking. A scarface 1:04:16.960 --> 1:04:19.880 maybe I've seen, but like, I stay away from this genre. 1:04:20.120 --> 1:04:22.200 So I'm really thank you for doing the research. I 1:04:22.240 --> 1:04:25.120 really didn't want to. So yeah, no, that's fine. Yeah, 1:04:25.200 --> 1:04:26.400 I definitely am the same. 1:04:26.520 --> 1:04:28.760 Like this episode is, of course, if you haven't figured 1:04:28.760 --> 1:04:31.440 it out, is based on Pablo Escobar and the Colombian cartels, 1:04:31.480 --> 1:04:34.600 and I've, like I said, I've obviously heard of Escobar. 1:04:34.840 --> 1:04:37.480 Who hasn't, but I don't watch narcos, Like I don't 1:04:37.480 --> 1:04:39.160 know the whole story. So I was happy to actually 1:04:39.240 --> 1:04:41.120 kind of dig into this and learn a little bit 1:04:41.160 --> 1:04:44.080 more about him because. 1:04:43.880 --> 1:04:46.160 I didn't even know if he was still alive or not. 1:04:46.360 --> 1:04:50.720 But he was a Colombian drug kingpin known as the 1:04:50.800 --> 1:04:54.120 King of Cocaine, who was the founder and leader of 1:04:54.160 --> 1:04:58.120 the Median Cartel. So Median is a city in Colombia 1:04:58.320 --> 1:05:00.640 and also the subject of a movie that Vinnie Chase 1:05:00.680 --> 1:05:03.440 tries to make and then eventually stars in an Entourage 1:05:03.440 --> 1:05:06.080 that bombs. So if you've heard that before and you're 1:05:06.120 --> 1:05:09.840 like a person that watched Entourage, that's that. So Escobar 1:05:10.560 --> 1:05:14.120 was raised in Mediine, one of seven kids, and started 1:05:14.160 --> 1:05:18.320 his criminal career as a teen. It's conflicting, like some 1:05:18.360 --> 1:05:21.000 people said he used to steal gravestones and then like 1:05:21.120 --> 1:05:23.520 sand down the names and resell them. Others said he 1:05:23.680 --> 1:05:26.360 was selling faked high school diplomas. I think both are 1:05:26.360 --> 1:05:30.920 pretty funny starting gigs for a criminal. He also sold cigarettes, 1:05:30.960 --> 1:05:34.120 fake lottery tickets, et cetera. And he gained some attention 1:05:34.240 --> 1:05:37.480 in quote unquote the Marlborough Wars, which I guess he 1:05:37.520 --> 1:05:39.920 played a high profile role in the control of Columbia's 1:05:40.160 --> 1:05:43.880 smuggled cigarette market. So this was probably future practice for 1:05:43.920 --> 1:05:45.680 his illegal drug enterprises. 1:05:45.840 --> 1:05:48.280 And he eventually became. 1:05:48.080 --> 1:05:50.560 Like a bodyguard and a thief, like he'd kidnap people 1:05:50.560 --> 1:05:53.520 for ransom, and then eventually he got into the drug 1:05:53.600 --> 1:05:56.800 trade and he did become I think still today the 1:05:56.840 --> 1:05:59.920 wealthiest criminal of all time, Like he amassed thirty billion 1:06:00.120 --> 1:06:03.760 dollars and in his time, which is equivalent to sixty 1:06:03.760 --> 1:06:08.360 four billion dollars today, So pretty lucrative work for him. 1:06:08.720 --> 1:06:13.160 So he's described as a drug lord and a narco terrorist, 1:06:13.400 --> 1:06:16.440 And when I looked up narco terrorist, it does have 1:06:16.480 --> 1:06:19.440 its own narco terrorism has its own Wikipedia page. So 1:06:19.560 --> 1:06:25.160 originally that was defined as narcotics traffickers who try to 1:06:25.280 --> 1:06:28.160 influence the policies of a government or a society through 1:06:28.240 --> 1:06:31.560 violence and intimidation, and to hinder the enforcement of anti 1:06:31.640 --> 1:06:34.760 drug laws by the systematic threat or use of such violence. 1:06:35.160 --> 1:06:39.160 But apparently the term is increasingly being used for terrorist 1:06:39.240 --> 1:06:43.919 organizations that engage in like drug traffic activity to fund 1:06:43.960 --> 1:06:46.400 their operations and gain recruits and expertise. So like if 1:06:46.400 --> 1:06:51.000 al Qaeda or you know, any of these organizations run drugs, 1:06:51.040 --> 1:06:54.479 that might not necessarily be their like their main thing, 1:06:55.000 --> 1:06:56.920 because they have other you know what I mean, Like 1:06:56.960 --> 1:07:00.120 they have other pursuits, but drugs is just like a 1:07:00.120 --> 1:07:02.920 a revenue stream for them. But then I was reading 1:07:02.920 --> 1:07:05.680 this article in pro Publica, like very in depth as 1:07:05.720 --> 1:07:08.560 they always are, that talks about how narco terrorism term 1:07:08.640 --> 1:07:12.760 is kind of tricky nowadays because sometimes the DEA uses 1:07:12.800 --> 1:07:15.680 it to like stage threats, like they'll be like, oh, 1:07:15.760 --> 1:07:18.320 this is narco terrorism, and it's like, no, these guys 1:07:18.320 --> 1:07:19.960 were just trying to make some money and like they're 1:07:20.040 --> 1:07:22.520 Muslim or something like that. You know, it's like it's 1:07:22.560 --> 1:07:25.880 not necessarily it's more of the War on drugs shit. 1:07:26.000 --> 1:07:27.760 It's like they're using it to cover up war on 1:07:27.840 --> 1:07:30.320 drug stuff, so they can always call things narco terrorism 1:07:30.360 --> 1:07:33.600 when it's really kind of just narcotics trafficking in a 1:07:33.600 --> 1:07:36.360 lot of ways. So who knows. You can get more 1:07:36.360 --> 1:07:39.160 into that. The pro Public article is linked in our 1:07:39.200 --> 1:07:42.200 show notes. So back to Pablo. The New York Times 1:07:42.240 --> 1:07:45.479 said that Escobar rose from the Colombian slums to become 1:07:45.560 --> 1:07:47.760 this huge drug lord, like this rags to richest story, 1:07:47.800 --> 1:07:49.440 But everywhere else I read that he was kind of 1:07:49.480 --> 1:07:52.160 middle class, like his dad was a farmer, his mom 1:07:52.240 --> 1:07:55.080 was a teacher, like they weren't. He didn't live like 1:07:55.120 --> 1:07:58.680 on the streets, but like he was always wanted more, 1:07:58.720 --> 1:08:00.520 Like he wanted more than what his parents and had. 1:08:00.680 --> 1:08:05.000 So he started his business snuggling cocaine via airplane into 1:08:05.080 --> 1:08:08.280 the US around nineteen seventy five, and then his cartel 1:08:08.400 --> 1:08:10.440 was founded in nineteen seventy six, so he was around 1:08:10.440 --> 1:08:13.240 twenty six or twenty seven, and that same year is 1:08:13.280 --> 1:08:16.120 when he married his wife, a fifteen year old Hello 1:08:16.280 --> 1:08:21.960 SVU named Maria Victoria Hanau, and they eventually had a 1:08:21.960 --> 1:08:25.120 son and a daughter, Juan Pablo and Manuela and Wan. 1:08:25.120 --> 1:08:28.360 Pablo now goes by Sebastian Merrokein and is a motivational speaker, 1:08:28.360 --> 1:08:31.760 which I do love. And so, by the way, I 1:08:31.800 --> 1:08:33.880 do have a friend who married a guy who was 1:08:33.960 --> 1:08:36.719 Colombian whose name was Pablo Escobar when he was born, 1:08:36.800 --> 1:08:39.920 and then later his name was changed so he has 1:08:39.960 --> 1:08:42.920 a different name now. But I just think that's very funny. 1:08:42.920 --> 1:08:45.080 And their wedding was in Colombia and I loved it. 1:08:45.080 --> 1:08:45.759 It was beautiful. 1:08:45.960 --> 1:08:50.559 So in May of nineteen seventy six, Escobar and several 1:08:50.640 --> 1:08:52.760 of his men were arrested and found in possession of 1:08:52.880 --> 1:08:56.679 eighteen kilos of white paste that's about thirty nine pounds, 1:08:56.960 --> 1:09:00.200 and that's a coca paste that was usually purchased in Bolivia, 1:09:00.360 --> 1:09:03.679 Peru or Ecuador and then smuggled into the US. Escobar 1:09:03.760 --> 1:09:06.120 attempted to bribe the judges who were building a case, 1:09:06.200 --> 1:09:08.759 but it didn't work, and then after months of legal 1:09:08.800 --> 1:09:11.879 back and forth, Escobar just got the two arresting officers 1:09:11.960 --> 1:09:14.880 murdered and the case was later dropped. So he's found 1:09:14.880 --> 1:09:17.240 out pretty quickly that this was like an effective way 1:09:17.240 --> 1:09:19.639 of getting business Done's just like killing everyone that has 1:09:19.680 --> 1:09:23.679 to do with prosecuting you, and so yeah, that's sort 1:09:23.720 --> 1:09:25.959 of the start of his pattern of dealing with authorities 1:09:26.000 --> 1:09:29.320 through bribery or murder. So around this time, you know, 1:09:29.439 --> 1:09:34.800 late seventies, early eighties, cocaine demand in the US is skyrocketing, 1:09:34.920 --> 1:09:39.120 like everyone wants it, so he starts organizing more smuggling shipments, 1:09:39.200 --> 1:09:42.680 roots distribution networks in South Florida, California, Puerto Rico, other 1:09:42.720 --> 1:09:46.920 parts of the US. And then eventually him and I 1:09:46.920 --> 1:09:49.679 guess a co founder of the cartel named Carlos later 1:09:51.320 --> 1:09:56.000 worked together to develop this new like shipment point for 1:09:56.080 --> 1:09:58.880 themselves in the Bahamas. And it's an island called Norman's 1:09:58.920 --> 1:10:03.120 k around two hundred and twenty miles southeast of Florida. 1:10:03.240 --> 1:10:05.519 Sometimes I think cy is supposed to be pronounced key, 1:10:05.560 --> 1:10:08.639 but I don't know. And so they had this little 1:10:08.640 --> 1:10:11.040 island in the Bahamas, that had an airstrip, a harbor, 1:10:11.080 --> 1:10:14.960 a hotel, houses boats, aircrafts, and they had a huge 1:10:15.000 --> 1:10:18.840 refrigerated warehouse used to store the cocaine. So pretty big 1:10:19.240 --> 1:10:22.800 operation going on. So from seventy eight to eighty two, 1:10:23.760 --> 1:10:27.120 Norman's k was the central smuggling route for the Mediine cartel, 1:10:27.720 --> 1:10:31.759 and eventually he was able to purchase seven point seven 1:10:31.880 --> 1:10:35.040 square miles of land in in Tiokia, which is where 1:10:35.160 --> 1:10:37.240 Mediine is. It's like the it seems like it's the 1:10:37.280 --> 1:10:40.479 county or something where Mediine is in Colombia, and that 1:10:40.640 --> 1:10:45.160 is where he built Hacienda Napolis, which is basically his 1:10:45.160 --> 1:10:48.880 playboy mansion. It's this huge luxury house with a sculpture 1:10:48.920 --> 1:10:51.840 garden that had like huge life sized dinosaurs in it, 1:10:52.400 --> 1:10:56.599 a private bull ring, an airport, swimming pools, lush lawns, 1:10:56.640 --> 1:11:01.719 man made lakes, and a private zoo that had exotic birds, horses, elephants, rhinos, 1:11:01.720 --> 1:11:04.880 and hippos. And maybe you guys have noticed a story 1:11:04.920 --> 1:11:10.000 from the end of last year about Pablo Escobar's cocaine hippos. 1:11:10.040 --> 1:11:14.600 This is definitely straight out of the Bananas Podcast. Essentially, 1:11:14.640 --> 1:11:18.559 what happened was the hippos were illegally brought in by Escobar. 1:11:18.680 --> 1:11:21.519 Then after he died sorry spoiler alert, he does die, 1:11:22.000 --> 1:11:23.960 the hippos are just left in the zoo to like 1:11:24.000 --> 1:11:26.080 fend for themselves, and they make their way down to 1:11:26.160 --> 1:11:30.240 the Magdalena River Basin, which is a huge waterway that 1:11:30.280 --> 1:11:32.599 cuts through the western part of Columbia, and then they 1:11:32.640 --> 1:11:35.559 just start spreading in population. They just keep reading and 1:11:35.880 --> 1:11:38.879 as the population grows, Columbia claims, oh, this is threatening 1:11:38.880 --> 1:11:41.519 the biodiversity of the area and could lead to dangerous 1:11:41.560 --> 1:11:44.519 encounters with human beings because hippos are actually they seem 1:11:44.600 --> 1:11:47.160 cute and like they're just hungry for pellets in a game, 1:11:47.240 --> 1:11:52.839 but actually they are very, very aggressive, and so Columbia 1:11:52.960 --> 1:11:54.759 was like, well, we want to either kill these hippos 1:11:54.800 --> 1:11:58.439 or sterilize them. So of course, the United States jumps 1:11:58.439 --> 1:12:03.800 in and is like, no, ay, sue for the hippos 1:12:03.840 --> 1:12:06.760 to obtain personhood, and they it is granted. 1:12:06.880 --> 1:12:09.599 So in the United States, these hippos are considered people. 1:12:10.360 --> 1:12:13.120 And what I was reading in the article is like, yeah, 1:12:13.160 --> 1:12:15.320 but Columbia doesn't have to listen to us, Like so 1:12:15.720 --> 1:12:18.519 it's like a gesture that, oh, these animals are people. 1:12:18.680 --> 1:12:21.200 Like in our country. We think they're people, Please don't 1:12:21.280 --> 1:12:24.080 kill them, and Colombia's like, yeah, but it's our country, 1:12:24.120 --> 1:12:24.519 so we're. 1:12:24.360 --> 1:12:25.320 Gonna do whatever we want. 1:12:25.400 --> 1:12:27.920 So I believe that they began that they began to 1:12:27.960 --> 1:12:32.880 start sterilizing the hippos. Hopefully no hippos were killed, but anyway, 1:12:32.920 --> 1:12:35.200 they're called the cocaine hippos. I think people think it's 1:12:35.200 --> 1:12:37.760 like hippos ripping lines of cocaine and flying around town. 1:12:37.880 --> 1:12:37.920 No. 1:12:38.120 --> 1:12:40.280 I definitely thought it was a bunch of hippos that 1:12:40.320 --> 1:12:40.960 were on coke. 1:12:41.240 --> 1:12:43.599 Yeah, yeah, yeah, They're just called the cocain hippos because 1:12:43.600 --> 1:12:45.160 I think that's how they were paid for and like 1:12:45.200 --> 1:12:46.439 they're Escobar's hippos. 1:12:46.880 --> 1:12:48.160 So anyway, hopefully. 1:12:47.840 --> 1:12:50.560 They are just you know, barren and living in Colombia 1:12:50.640 --> 1:12:55.479 having happy lives. But Hacienda Napolis is where Escobar sort 1:12:55.479 --> 1:12:56.519 of stunted on his fortune. 1:12:56.520 --> 1:12:57.880 It's where he showed off all his wealth. 1:12:57.880 --> 1:13:01.880 He had huge classic car collection and bikes, a go kart, racetrack, 1:13:01.920 --> 1:13:04.640 et cetera. But his pride and joy was this replica 1:13:05.280 --> 1:13:09.559 of a Piper Pa eighteen supercub airplane, which was the 1:13:09.600 --> 1:13:13.120 small plane that transported his very first shipment of cocaine 1:13:13.160 --> 1:13:15.639 to the US. So he has a replica of Baby's 1:13:15.680 --> 1:13:18.040 first airplane up there, Baby's. 1:13:17.640 --> 1:13:22.720 First sentimental guy. Yeah, yeah, for sure. So today Wildly. 1:13:22.400 --> 1:13:25.960 Hacienda Napolis is a family friendly theme park with water 1:13:26.000 --> 1:13:30.479 attractions and a wildlife sanctuary, a butterfly farm, museums, so 1:13:31.240 --> 1:13:33.960 go check it out. And many people definitely were brutally 1:13:34.000 --> 1:13:37.960 murdered there. So sounds fun. But back to his crimes. 1:13:38.439 --> 1:13:41.080 It is alleged that Escobar back to the nineteen eighty 1:13:41.080 --> 1:13:44.000 five storming of the Colombian Supreme Court by left wing 1:13:44.040 --> 1:13:47.760 gorillas from the nineteenth of April Movement also known as 1:13:47.920 --> 1:13:51.400 M nineteen. This siege resulted in the murders of half 1:13:51.439 --> 1:13:54.439 the judges on the court and hostages were also taken 1:13:54.560 --> 1:13:57.680 for negotiation. These judges were basically trying to set up 1:13:57.720 --> 1:14:02.519 extradition policies with the US that Colombian you know, drug 1:14:02.520 --> 1:14:05.439 dealers could be extradited to the US for punishment, and 1:14:05.760 --> 1:14:09.320 obviously Escobar noky that idea, So let's just kill a 1:14:09.320 --> 1:14:11.439 bunch of the judges. So a bunch of these guys 1:14:11.439 --> 1:14:14.559 from M nineteen, this M nineteen group were paid to 1:14:14.680 --> 1:14:17.559 break into the palace burn all the papers and files 1:14:18.000 --> 1:14:21.879 involving Los extra Ditables, which is a group of cocaine 1:14:21.920 --> 1:14:24.800 smugglers who were under threat of being extradited to the US. 1:14:24.840 --> 1:14:26.680 So they have like a list of them, and he's like, 1:14:26.720 --> 1:14:28.760 just go in there and burn the list. And obviously, duh, 1:14:28.880 --> 1:14:31.759 Escobar's on the list. So they killed all these judges 1:14:31.800 --> 1:14:35.040 and it's like this huge like event in you know, 1:14:35.600 --> 1:14:39.920 Columbia's history. So at the height of the cartel's operation, 1:14:41.040 --> 1:14:44.360 the cartel was bringing in seventy million dollars a day, 1:14:44.680 --> 1:14:47.040 which today would be one fifty a million a day, 1:14:47.840 --> 1:14:51.759 so crazy, and fifteen tons of coke were being smuggled daily. 1:14:52.520 --> 1:14:55.160 It's just not even that good of a drug like that. 1:14:55.240 --> 1:14:55.439 I know. 1:14:55.479 --> 1:14:59.439 It's shocking to me, Like all other drugs are so fun. 1:15:00.240 --> 1:15:03.400 I don't know, but like coke just sucks to me. 1:15:03.560 --> 1:15:06.479 I've never had fun on coke. I agree, coming I will, 1:15:06.920 --> 1:15:10.280 so I think us. I think it affects people differently 1:15:10.320 --> 1:15:12.240 because I have friends that are like, I'm having the 1:15:12.280 --> 1:15:14.400 best time when they're on coke, and it just does 1:15:14.479 --> 1:15:16.599 not do it for me. I'm like, okay, now at 1:15:16.640 --> 1:15:18.879 seven am and I'm awake and I'm listening to somebody 1:15:19.080 --> 1:15:22.400 randomly go on and on about like Quentin Tarantino. 1:15:22.520 --> 1:15:23.920 This is not fun for me, you know. 1:15:24.040 --> 1:15:26.880 Like and it's just this drip and it doesn't taste. 1:15:26.920 --> 1:15:29.720 It's just yeah, I've never understood. 1:15:30.000 --> 1:15:33.520 And it's like, so how many tons. 1:15:33.960 --> 1:15:39.479 Fifteen tons a day? Like the numbers are wild. But 1:15:40.240 --> 1:15:43.920 his brother Roberto was his accountant and later wrote a 1:15:43.920 --> 1:15:47.080 book chronicling his time in the cartel, and there's some 1:15:47.120 --> 1:15:49.080 fun info in the book, like they also spent one 1:15:49.080 --> 1:15:51.639 thousand dollars a week on rubber bands just to wrap 1:15:51.680 --> 1:15:52.760 the stacks of cash, Like. 1:15:52.720 --> 1:15:55.240 Can you imagine like that much money on rubber bands. 1:15:55.560 --> 1:15:57.600 And then they also had to write off a percentage 1:15:57.600 --> 1:15:59.720 of the cash, like in their books, because the cash 1:15:59.720 --> 1:16:02.680 would be get eaten by rats, Like rats would eat 1:16:02.680 --> 1:16:03.920 some of the money and they'd be like, well, okay, 1:16:04.040 --> 1:16:09.080 ten percent just gone to rat food. So anyway, as 1:16:09.640 --> 1:16:13.400 Escobar's fortune and fame grew, you know, he really wanted 1:16:13.400 --> 1:16:15.760 to be seen as a leader, and so he set 1:16:15.840 --> 1:16:17.560 himself he tried to set himself up as like a 1:16:17.640 --> 1:16:21.360 Robin Hood figure where he was like I'm rags to riches, 1:16:21.479 --> 1:16:23.960 I'm here to help the poor and a lot of 1:16:24.080 --> 1:16:26.800 people bought into it. A lot of the poor people 1:16:26.880 --> 1:16:29.200 of Columbia were like, yeah, he's doing good things. Like 1:16:29.280 --> 1:16:32.680 he you know, he spent money to expand social programs. 1:16:32.720 --> 1:16:34.400 He was very good at pr so he would like 1:16:34.400 --> 1:16:37.599 build football fields and sports courts and like sponsor kids 1:16:37.600 --> 1:16:40.280 teams and stuff. And then he would distribute money throughout 1:16:40.280 --> 1:16:44.479 like housing projects and apparently other civic engagements where he 1:16:44.520 --> 1:16:48.639 would help, you know, the downtrodden. So civilians often would 1:16:48.680 --> 1:16:51.599 help him, like people loved him. Civilians would serve as 1:16:51.600 --> 1:16:54.439 lookouts and hide info from authorities just to help him. 1:16:54.880 --> 1:17:00.559 And it's wild because the violence was kind of destroyed Columbia. 1:17:00.600 --> 1:17:04.200 I mean, the cartels in their fight with the amongst each. 1:17:04.000 --> 1:17:06.799 Other too, because there's another cartel called the Cali Cartel, 1:17:06.800 --> 1:17:08.680 and the cartels are always struggling for who's going to 1:17:08.720 --> 1:17:11.080 be the top dog. It resulted in a lot of 1:17:11.760 --> 1:17:15.240 violence and Colombia quickly becoming the world's murder capital. In 1:17:15.320 --> 1:17:17.799 ninety one, they had more than twenty five thousand violent 1:17:17.840 --> 1:17:19.840 deaths in the country, and in ninety two it was 1:17:19.920 --> 1:17:23.680 over twenty seven thousand. So the increased murder rate was 1:17:24.680 --> 1:17:27.759 also fueled by Escobar just giving money to his hitmen 1:17:27.960 --> 1:17:32.800 to as rewards for killing police officers. So he killed 1:17:33.120 --> 1:17:35.280 apparently he was responsible for the deaths of over one 1:17:35.360 --> 1:17:38.800 hundred I'm sorry, over six hundred police officers. That he 1:17:39.400 --> 1:17:41.400 was just like giving bonuses out to his guys if 1:17:41.439 --> 1:17:42.480 they killed cops. 1:17:42.880 --> 1:17:44.800 Yeah, because also, like I do like that he was 1:17:44.840 --> 1:17:46.840 helping the poor and building all these things. But what 1:17:46.920 --> 1:17:48.759 goes through my head is like, then does he lorded 1:17:48.800 --> 1:17:50.800 over people to do weird favors or it's like, well, 1:17:50.800 --> 1:17:52.320 you took this money and now you have to do 1:17:52.360 --> 1:17:55.640 this for me, right, murder your whole family? Like I 1:17:55.680 --> 1:17:58.439 still don't trust him fully, all right, but maybe he 1:17:58.560 --> 1:18:00.760 is a hero and I just don't know about it. Well. 1:18:00.760 --> 1:18:02.840 But it's also like remember the episode we just did, 1:18:03.000 --> 1:18:04.320 oh well, we just did this on one of our 1:18:04.360 --> 1:18:06.800 live shows in wet where there's like colon now is 1:18:06.840 --> 1:18:09.120 like buying all these gymnasiums, And it's like, yeah, because 1:18:09.120 --> 1:18:10.400 you don't want people to pay attention to the fact 1:18:10.400 --> 1:18:12.840 that you're selling soda. That's like turning kids obese, you know, 1:18:12.880 --> 1:18:15.360 It's like it's pr I don't know if he's doing 1:18:15.360 --> 1:18:16.800 it out of the goodness of his heart, you know, 1:18:16.880 --> 1:18:19.400 maybe he's doing it, so he has like a lot 1:18:19.439 --> 1:18:23.559 of civilian lookouts. Who knows, but you know, this man 1:18:23.640 --> 1:18:27.679 is personally responsible for killing thousands of people, including police, judges, 1:18:27.720 --> 1:18:28.160 et cetera. 1:18:28.280 --> 1:18:31.000 So he's a very very scary person. 1:18:31.200 --> 1:18:33.880 And to pull right from the episode where they say 1:18:33.880 --> 1:18:36.640 that line, these guys, would you know, bomb a jetliner 1:18:36.960 --> 1:18:40.240 just to get rid of one person, One of Escobar's 1:18:40.280 --> 1:18:42.679 main hit men did exactly that. One of his top 1:18:42.720 --> 1:18:46.720 assassins blew up a commercial airliner because he thought two 1:18:46.800 --> 1:18:49.240 informants were on board. It was twenty nine year old 1:18:49.320 --> 1:18:52.120 Don Dani Munos Mosquera, and he was one of the 1:18:52.120 --> 1:18:56.679 top assassins for the cartel. He reputedly killed fifty police officers, judges, 1:18:56.920 --> 1:18:59.479 and other officials in his career, which launched when he 1:18:59.520 --> 1:19:02.880 was twelve years old. He blew up an Avianca jetliner 1:19:02.880 --> 1:19:05.360 over Bogata in nineteen eighty nine. All one hundred and 1:19:05.360 --> 1:19:09.920 seven people on board died, including two US citizens, and 1:19:09.960 --> 1:19:12.679 this is considered one of the worst acts of drug 1:19:12.720 --> 1:19:19.280 trade terrorism. So then later a man named Luis Carlos Galan, 1:19:19.360 --> 1:19:22.120 who was running for president on a pro extradition and 1:19:22.200 --> 1:19:24.800 anti cartel platform, like this is a guy who's running 1:19:24.800 --> 1:19:26.600 for president of Colombia and who's like, I'm going to 1:19:26.640 --> 1:19:30.240 get you, like we will no longer be overrun by cartel. 1:19:30.840 --> 1:19:33.240 He was way ahead in the polls, like probably was 1:19:33.240 --> 1:19:36.960 gonna win. Was assassinated, obviously, and after that happened, the 1:19:37.000 --> 1:19:39.479 government really wanted to go for Escobar in his cartel, 1:19:39.840 --> 1:19:42.400 so he was supposed to surrender and cease all criminal 1:19:42.400 --> 1:19:45.960 activity in exchange for a reduced sentence and preferential treatment 1:19:46.000 --> 1:19:49.200 during his captivity. So he did surrender in nineteen ninety 1:19:49.200 --> 1:19:53.160 one Escobar, and he was combined to his own luxurious 1:19:53.200 --> 1:19:58.120 private prison called La Cote Dral, which was featured a 1:19:58.120 --> 1:20:02.400 football field, a giant dog house I don't know, a bar, 1:20:02.520 --> 1:20:05.519 a jacuzzi, and a waterfall. I don't even understand how 1:20:05.560 --> 1:20:07.800 this is considered a jail but or a prison, but 1:20:08.000 --> 1:20:10.880 that's where he was, where he was housed, and of 1:20:10.920 --> 1:20:14.000 course he fully kept running his business from jail. So 1:20:14.040 --> 1:20:16.840 when the government found out and tried to about like 1:20:17.040 --> 1:20:19.320 the fact that he's living it up even even more 1:20:19.320 --> 1:20:22.040 than like Martha Stewart or some of our white collar criminals, 1:20:22.520 --> 1:20:24.519 the government tries to move him and of course, he 1:20:24.560 --> 1:20:27.080 finds out in advance because he's got everybody on the inside, 1:20:27.320 --> 1:20:30.559 and he escapes jail and then he spends the rest 1:20:30.600 --> 1:20:34.040 of his life avoiding capture, and that turns out to 1:20:34.080 --> 1:20:38.679 be sixteen months. So eventually the United States Joint Special 1:20:38.720 --> 1:20:43.559 Operations Command, which is members of Seal Team six, Delta Force, 1:20:43.760 --> 1:20:47.599 and then Centri Spike. It's like all these people joined 1:20:47.640 --> 1:20:51.200 the manhunt for Escobar. They trained and advised this special 1:20:51.240 --> 1:20:53.920 Columbian task force that was called Search Block that was 1:20:53.960 --> 1:20:57.080 created to find Escobar. And so they were all trained 1:20:57.120 --> 1:20:59.519 to try to find Escobar. And as all this is 1:20:59.560 --> 1:21:03.000 going on, and Escobar's enemies are ganging together and they 1:21:03.040 --> 1:21:06.120 form a group called Los Pepes, and that group is 1:21:06.200 --> 1:21:09.800 financed by his rivals and former associates, including other cartels, 1:21:10.160 --> 1:21:14.600 and those Pepees, fueled by vengeance, goes on a spree 1:21:14.640 --> 1:21:18.920 in which three hundred of Escobar's associates, his lawyer, relatives, 1:21:18.920 --> 1:21:22.639 of his hit men in his cartel. All these people 1:21:22.680 --> 1:21:25.879 are murdered and a bunch of the Median cartel's property 1:21:26.080 --> 1:21:29.840 was destroyed. So you know, things are not looking good 1:21:29.960 --> 1:21:33.439 for him in the early nineties, and then on December second, 1:21:33.520 --> 1:21:36.320 nineteen ninety three, sixteen months after he escaped from his 1:21:36.600 --> 1:21:41.719 fancy prison, Escobar died in a shootout and his actual 1:21:41.960 --> 1:21:45.320 fatal wound was a gunshot through the ear, and his 1:21:45.439 --> 1:21:48.000 brothers maintained that he took his own life and that 1:21:48.040 --> 1:21:50.599 he did not die because no one has taken credit 1:21:50.680 --> 1:21:53.160 for firing the shot that killed him, probably for fear 1:21:53.160 --> 1:21:57.160 of retaliation, but also maybe they just I don't know who. 1:21:57.240 --> 1:22:00.200 Maybe they don't know, but these brothers are like, well, 1:22:00.200 --> 1:22:02.160 no one took credit, so we think he killed himself 1:22:02.200 --> 1:22:07.080 because that's more honorable in their eyes than he got 1:22:07.160 --> 1:22:08.880 killed by the authorities. 1:22:08.920 --> 1:22:09.280 I don't know. 1:22:09.720 --> 1:22:12.200 So after his death, the cocaine market was taken over 1:22:12.240 --> 1:22:15.880 by a rival cartel called the Cali Cartel until the 1:22:15.960 --> 1:22:18.559 nineties mid nineties, when its leaders were either killed or 1:22:18.560 --> 1:22:20.920 captured by the Colombian government. And a lot of people 1:22:21.800 --> 1:22:25.400 do remember the Robinhood thing about Escobar, especially poor people. 1:22:25.479 --> 1:22:29.000 He was deeply mourned by people, and over twenty five 1:22:29.080 --> 1:22:30.559 thousand people went to his funeral. 1:22:31.520 --> 1:22:32.479 That's pretty huge. 1:22:32.880 --> 1:22:35.280 So a lot of these people think that he was 1:22:35.320 --> 1:22:39.599 a saint and they prayed to him for receiving divine help. Meanwhile, 1:22:39.640 --> 1:22:43.240 his wife and his two kids fled Columbia after no 1:22:43.280 --> 1:22:46.880 one would grant them asylum, and after they went to Mozambique, 1:22:46.880 --> 1:22:50.080 then Brazil, they finally settled in Argentina. And then this 1:22:50.200 --> 1:22:52.080 like reminded me of like a reality show that I'd 1:22:52.080 --> 1:22:54.960 love to see. His widow became a successful real estate 1:22:55.080 --> 1:22:58.559 entrepreneur until one of her business associates discovered who she was, 1:22:59.200 --> 1:23:00.640 and so she booked. 1:23:00.360 --> 1:23:01.719 It out of there with all of her money. 1:23:02.000 --> 1:23:05.040 But then eventually she was imprisoned for eighteen months while 1:23:05.040 --> 1:23:08.240 her finances were investigated in Argentina, but they couldn't link 1:23:08.320 --> 1:23:11.920 to anything illegal, so she was let go and she 1:23:12.040 --> 1:23:14.479 continues to live in Buenos Aires with her son and daughter. 1:23:15.600 --> 1:23:20.480 Her son and daughter have also both denounced their father's activities, 1:23:20.680 --> 1:23:25.280 and you know, like the son changed his name the wife. 1:23:25.280 --> 1:23:29.840 It's very interesting because this actually just came to me 1:23:29.880 --> 1:23:31.760 as we were doing the recap, Like you know how 1:23:31.800 --> 1:23:33.519 he says, you're gonna let a woman talk to me 1:23:33.560 --> 1:23:37.000 that way, Like obviously misogyny is rampant in the cartels 1:23:37.000 --> 1:23:42.719 and in this gangster culture. But this wife, Maria of Escobar, 1:23:42.920 --> 1:23:45.040 like she married him when she was fifteen. He had 1:23:45.240 --> 1:23:49.200 countless affairs. He was constantly cheating, She stood by his side, 1:23:49.360 --> 1:23:52.120 she spoke to him with nothing but respect. She was 1:23:52.160 --> 1:23:55.840 like constantly like, and she was considered the model for 1:23:55.920 --> 1:23:57.880 all the cartel. 1:23:57.479 --> 1:23:58.800 Wives, like all of them. 1:23:58.840 --> 1:24:00.720 It was like, look at Maria, Look how she never 1:24:00.760 --> 1:24:02.760 talks back, Look at how she stands by him, blah 1:24:02.800 --> 1:24:06.280 blah blah. So just an interesting you know, look at 1:24:06.280 --> 1:24:09.479 how women are treated in these situations, cause I think 1:24:09.479 --> 1:24:12.320 sometimes we see in these TV shows, you know, the 1:24:12.360 --> 1:24:14.519 women can say, oh, your dick doesn't work, or the 1:24:14.560 --> 1:24:16.599 women can like get away with saying more shit. 1:24:16.720 --> 1:24:20.040 But it seems like her way to stay alive was 1:24:20.120 --> 1:24:20.519 to just. 1:24:20.560 --> 1:24:24.240 Never ever talk back and to be a dutiful wife. 1:24:24.280 --> 1:24:27.000 And so I did read that she stayed in Buenos 1:24:27.000 --> 1:24:29.360 Aires with her son and daughter, and that in June 1:24:29.400 --> 1:24:34.080 of twenty eighteen, a federal judge and Argentina accused her 1:24:34.160 --> 1:24:38.000 and her son, Sebastian marro Ken of money laundering with 1:24:38.120 --> 1:24:40.960 Colombian drug traffickers, which would be wild if they were 1:24:41.000 --> 1:24:46.080 like openly denouncing Pablo's shit, but then they were back 1:24:46.120 --> 1:24:47.760 in bed. But I mean, maybe that's also how they 1:24:47.760 --> 1:24:49.760 needed to survive, because they don't have a skill set 1:24:49.800 --> 1:24:54.240 after living in a cartel life forever. But I looked everywhere. 1:24:54.320 --> 1:24:56.680 This was widely reported in twenty eighteen. There is like 1:24:56.800 --> 1:24:58.840 no update, Like I have to assume that this was 1:24:58.920 --> 1:25:02.640 just dropped because there's no update. I was checking the 1:25:02.680 --> 1:25:05.000 internet everywhere for like what happened with this case with 1:25:05.240 --> 1:25:10.120 Maria and Sebastian, and like nothing is there. So you know, 1:25:10.360 --> 1:25:13.160 I found some articles about how Hollywood is obsessed with 1:25:14.040 --> 1:25:18.240 Pablo Escobar and everything about cartel's and his brother, actually Roberto, 1:25:18.320 --> 1:25:21.800 the one who was the accountant for the family. He 1:25:21.880 --> 1:25:24.760 did contact Netflix to try to become a consultant on 1:25:24.840 --> 1:25:27.080 the show Narcos. I don't think Netflix took him up 1:25:27.080 --> 1:25:29.240 on it. He did feel like season one had a 1:25:29.280 --> 1:25:32.400 lot of mistakes in it. He's also partially blind and 1:25:32.439 --> 1:25:34.519 deaf from a letter bomb exploding in his face, so 1:25:34.760 --> 1:25:39.240 he's lived a life and yeah, so obviously, Pablo Escobar 1:25:39.280 --> 1:25:42.040 died in nineteen ninety three, but many, many movies and 1:25:42.080 --> 1:25:43.599 TV shows have been based on him. 1:25:43.640 --> 1:25:44.720 His influence lives on. 1:25:45.240 --> 1:25:47.880 I think we all remember a few years ago when 1:25:47.880 --> 1:25:49.280 El Chapo was the rage. 1:25:49.320 --> 1:25:52.240 He was a Mexican cocaine kingpin and he. 1:25:52.200 --> 1:25:54.720 Was obsessed with Escobar, like that was his you know, 1:25:54.800 --> 1:25:59.920 Michael Jordans. So you know, people with sort of shark 1:26:00.400 --> 1:26:04.080 no souls can really get behind everything Pablo Escobar was doing. 1:26:04.160 --> 1:26:10.000 But the brutality and the violence, it's like, it's like, 1:26:10.160 --> 1:26:13.080 it's weird that Cabot none of that would have registered 1:26:13.080 --> 1:26:15.880 for her because clearly, like the Valez character is supposed 1:26:15.880 --> 1:26:18.639 to be askebar, you know, and it's like, I don't know, 1:26:19.360 --> 1:26:21.400 you should be scared a little bit more scared because 1:26:21.439 --> 1:26:24.960 they are fully blowing up planes. But I think now, 1:26:25.880 --> 1:26:29.000 I did go to Colombia in twenty and fifteen, and 1:26:29.040 --> 1:26:30.720 it was one of the best trips I've ever been on. 1:26:30.840 --> 1:26:32.519 I remember when I lived in New York, Columbia was 1:26:32.560 --> 1:26:34.400 doing a lot of advertising on the subway. I think 1:26:34.400 --> 1:26:36.479 they're really trying to get away from their image as 1:26:36.520 --> 1:26:41.240 like a cocaine cartel riddled place, because like my friend's 1:26:41.280 --> 1:26:43.200 husband is from Bogata. They go all the time. They 1:26:43.240 --> 1:26:46.440 say it's so beautiful. I went to Cartajna. The Housewives 1:26:46.479 --> 1:26:50.240 went to Cartajna. I mean, you know, it's beautiful. So 1:26:50.280 --> 1:26:52.640 go to Columbia. It's okay now, and definitely go to 1:26:52.640 --> 1:26:54.720 that definitely go to that water park that used to 1:26:54.800 --> 1:26:58.200 be his fucking like murder mansion and tell me how 1:26:58.200 --> 1:27:01.120 it is. Gotta be some listeners that have gone, please 1:27:01.160 --> 1:27:04.760 tag us in your vacation photos of you Yeah, been there, Yeah, 1:27:04.760 --> 1:27:07.200 because it's like when you go to Instagram, like or 1:27:07.240 --> 1:27:09.920 you look it up, there's there's like pictures of it. 1:27:10.040 --> 1:27:14.200 You know people there. So anyway, that's all she wrote 1:27:14.280 --> 1:27:15.760 on Pablo Escobar. 1:27:15.920 --> 1:27:20.800 Thank you for that. Loved that rundown, loved being informed. 1:27:20.880 --> 1:27:24.840 And now we have an iconic guest. You guys are 1:27:24.840 --> 1:27:25.519 gonna lose it. 1:27:34.000 --> 1:27:34.679 Oh my gosh. 1:27:34.720 --> 1:27:36.680 I've been dreaming of the day that I get to 1:27:36.680 --> 1:27:39.120 do this introduction of a guest, and here it is. 1:27:39.160 --> 1:27:43.000 You guys, you know this actor very intimately. You have 1:27:43.120 --> 1:27:47.519 seen her recently on Ava DuVernay's superhero drama Naomi on 1:27:47.560 --> 1:27:50.679 the CW, or maybe you've seen her playing Ivanka Trump 1:27:51.040 --> 1:27:54.400 on a president show documentary, The Fall of Donald Trump. 1:27:54.640 --> 1:27:56.320 But you definitely know her in your heart as one 1:27:56.360 --> 1:27:59.439 of the best adas of all time. Alex Cabot, guys, 1:28:00.040 --> 1:28:01.880 don't I don't know what else to say. We're about 1:28:01.880 --> 1:28:02.840 to talk to Stephanie March. 1:28:03.880 --> 1:28:07.760 You've been on our wish list before we even started. 1:28:09.160 --> 1:28:14.160 Iconic character, iconic role, and one of the best episodes ever. 1:28:14.760 --> 1:28:16.760 But I guess we'll just start with how what's the 1:28:16.760 --> 1:28:21.879 origin story of nailing this part and getting cast on SVO? 1:28:22.439 --> 1:28:24.720 You know, I don't I don't know you ever think 1:28:24.800 --> 1:28:29.400 we nail the part. That's a good question. The other day, 1:28:29.640 --> 1:28:32.200 my friend who her name is Becca Perkins. She's my 1:28:32.280 --> 1:28:34.760 business partner, and she happens to be I met her 1:28:34.760 --> 1:28:37.360 on the set. She's a head makeup artist at FEW 1:28:37.439 --> 1:28:40.559 and now she's running organized crime. But she sent me 1:28:40.560 --> 1:28:42.240 a picture of a mask that a lot of people 1:28:42.240 --> 1:28:43.760 were wearing that she had seen around town, and it 1:28:43.840 --> 1:28:47.200 was kind of iconic Law and Order characters and it 1:28:47.280 --> 1:28:50.599 was you know, Benson and Stabler and Long and Munch 1:28:50.680 --> 1:28:52.599 and then and then Cabot was on there, and I thought, 1:28:52.600 --> 1:28:55.240 oh my god, I made the mask. You know, I'm 1:28:55.280 --> 1:28:58.040 one of the six on the mask. That must be good. 1:28:58.240 --> 1:29:01.360 That's that's I guess that's good. You know. I got 1:29:01.360 --> 1:29:04.520 this part like truly the old fashioned way. I auditioned 1:29:05.080 --> 1:29:07.880 off the street, you know, with the you know, with 1:29:07.920 --> 1:29:10.560 my agent, fresh in New York, and I auditioned in 1:29:10.600 --> 1:29:13.519 front of Dick Wolf, and he said, yep, let's move 1:29:13.560 --> 1:29:16.760 ahead to the studio. And then I don't know how 1:29:16.800 --> 1:29:19.120 well received I was at the studio end, but Dick 1:29:19.240 --> 1:29:22.559 was definitely my champion and he definitely had the power 1:29:22.600 --> 1:29:24.519 to hire me, and he did, and that's how I 1:29:24.520 --> 1:29:25.040 got the job. 1:29:26.240 --> 1:29:26.760 Wow. 1:29:26.880 --> 1:29:30.120 Then you and I see just joining in season two? 1:29:30.520 --> 1:29:33.600 Were you guys buddies as like the newbies? And it 1:29:33.680 --> 1:29:36.200 was so early in the show's history. Did you guys 1:29:36.280 --> 1:29:39.240 know it was going to be this iconic and that 1:29:39.280 --> 1:29:41.040 we'd all be obsessed for years to come? 1:29:42.560 --> 1:29:43.120 I did not. 1:29:43.360 --> 1:29:45.840 You know, at the time, television was very different, of course, 1:29:45.880 --> 1:29:49.560 And the standard contract that you signed was seven years. 1:29:49.920 --> 1:29:53.160 And I told my agent, I said, I cannot find you. Remember, 1:29:53.160 --> 1:29:56.080 I'm fresh out of the theater. I'm fresh out of college. 1:29:56.400 --> 1:29:57.519 You know, I'm going to first I'm going to be 1:29:57.560 --> 1:29:59.280 Lady with Best and I'm going to do this show. 1:29:59.400 --> 1:30:00.720 Then I'm going to do something out and start a 1:30:00.760 --> 1:30:02.559 theater company, and then I'm going to start on this movie. 1:30:02.560 --> 1:30:05.200 And I have all these plans. And I said, I 1:30:05.240 --> 1:30:07.240 can't stay on a television show for seven years. And 1:30:07.280 --> 1:30:10.880 my agent said, there's no show that runs for seven years. 1:30:10.960 --> 1:30:15.320 Don't worry so that that turned out to be the 1:30:15.439 --> 1:30:19.240 one case. But that's not true. And I remember well 1:30:19.280 --> 1:30:21.720 saying to me about iced tea. He said, he is 1:30:21.760 --> 1:30:25.200 the best negotiator we have ever negotiated with, tougher and 1:30:25.240 --> 1:30:30.200 smarter than any agent. Wow, that's cool. He's so great. 1:30:30.200 --> 1:30:31.960 Wow, that's great info. 1:30:32.400 --> 1:30:35.840 Oh, he's so he should have a class. He should 1:30:35.800 --> 1:30:38.280 have a seminar for every senior in college called real 1:30:38.280 --> 1:30:40.240 fucking life, Like that's what it should be called. 1:30:41.240 --> 1:30:43.040 Well, he does on Twitter a little bit. 1:30:43.240 --> 1:30:47.000 You know, he has this ice cold facts. 1:30:45.760 --> 1:30:49.320 I remember him saying in the makeup row I was, 1:30:49.400 --> 1:30:50.920 I was in there and he just was one of 1:30:50.960 --> 1:30:53.200 the times I had come back, and he said, man, 1:30:53.280 --> 1:30:54.760 I don't know what's happened to you, but if you're 1:30:54.800 --> 1:30:57.040 fifty and you haven't gotten over it, now it's your problem. 1:30:57.560 --> 1:30:59.240 I'm like, Okay, I guess that's it. I guess fifty 1:30:59.360 --> 1:31:01.880 is the age which you can't complain about your childhood anymore. 1:31:01.920 --> 1:31:02.439 It's on you. 1:31:03.400 --> 1:31:06.320 But I remembered it, agreed, be smart. 1:31:06.920 --> 1:31:11.559 Wow, And you mentioned makeup and head of makeup, and 1:31:11.600 --> 1:31:15.880 we are constantly like obsessed with the wardrobe and the 1:31:15.920 --> 1:31:20.120 makeup what was your relationship like with the crew, the writer's, makeup, hair, 1:31:20.200 --> 1:31:23.559 any kind of like behind the scenes people, because I'm 1:31:23.560 --> 1:31:25.720 sure you work so closely with a lot of them. 1:31:26.200 --> 1:31:30.080 I loved the crew and I loved the cast. I 1:31:30.120 --> 1:31:34.200 will say we were constantly secretly with hair and makeup 1:31:34.400 --> 1:31:36.800 at OZ with production, because you're always trying to be 1:31:36.920 --> 1:31:40.720 just slightly more glamorous or slightly more fun. And you know, 1:31:40.800 --> 1:31:45.240 I watched the episode Lost last night. I haven't seen it, 1:31:46.000 --> 1:31:48.080 you guys. I cannot watch myself on TV. I haven't 1:31:48.120 --> 1:31:51.880 seen it in probably, I don't know, fifteen years. So 1:31:51.960 --> 1:31:54.479 I kind of gassed when I was watching it. And 1:31:54.680 --> 1:31:57.919 part of me gassed because of the tragic Bangs situation, 1:31:58.439 --> 1:32:00.559 and the other part of me gased because I'm wearing 1:32:00.640 --> 1:32:03.200 like a lavender top, you know, for part of it, 1:32:03.400 --> 1:32:07.439 and that was such a thing. No color. She was 1:32:07.439 --> 1:32:10.280 stressed for work. I always had to wear pantyhose. I 1:32:10.360 --> 1:32:13.080 wasn't allowed to wear pants until well into season three. 1:32:13.320 --> 1:32:16.080 I mean, it was so conservative. And you know, I 1:32:16.080 --> 1:32:17.800 was twenty four to twenty five years old and I 1:32:17.800 --> 1:32:20.160 had the U York and I wanted to I wanted 1:32:20.160 --> 1:32:22.439 to be all fashionable, right, and they just they just 1:32:22.560 --> 1:32:25.559 they were like, Nope, you're an Ada working working for 1:32:25.640 --> 1:32:27.160 the man in New York City. That's not how it's 1:32:27.160 --> 1:32:29.080 going to go. So we tried red lipstick once and 1:32:29.360 --> 1:32:32.160 so I basically completely color corrected it and told us 1:32:32.160 --> 1:32:32.840 never to do it again. 1:32:35.200 --> 1:32:36.879 Yeah, we were wondering about the bangs. 1:32:36.920 --> 1:32:38.720 I was like, I wonder if the bangs was a 1:32:38.760 --> 1:32:42.120 Stephanie call or a hair and makeup call. 1:32:42.600 --> 1:32:44.800 Oh that was that was a Stephanie call. I can't 1:32:44.800 --> 1:32:46.559 put that on hair and makeup. That was one hundred 1:32:46.560 --> 1:32:48.760 percent me. And I looked at it and I just think, 1:32:48.800 --> 1:32:50.400 you know, it's not that bangs are bad, because it 1:32:50.400 --> 1:32:51.920 can be great. But those were past. 1:32:52.080 --> 1:32:53.000 That's very fast. 1:32:53.960 --> 1:32:57.679 And when I met Dan, my husband, he said, yeah, 1:32:57.720 --> 1:33:00.880 I saw some pictures of you and I are you 1:33:01.200 --> 1:33:05.000 going to get banks again? Why you asked? You said 1:33:05.280 --> 1:33:07.000 you look great? Now. I's like, is that your way 1:33:07.040 --> 1:33:09.960 of saying you hate them? But yes, that's my way 1:33:10.000 --> 1:33:10.720 of saying I hate them. 1:33:10.800 --> 1:33:13.479 Hey, that kind of honesty is worth its. 1:33:13.320 --> 1:33:16.080 Way presented correctly. 1:33:16.560 --> 1:33:21.160 Yes, Well, I'm so glad you watched that episode because 1:33:22.000 --> 1:33:26.520 it's incredible the scenes with you, Lionel Granger and Petrovsky. 1:33:27.240 --> 1:33:29.559 The three of you in chambers and talking is like 1:33:29.560 --> 1:33:33.200 a masterclass in acting, and with you and Granger and Zapata, like, 1:33:33.720 --> 1:33:34.720 those scenes. 1:33:34.400 --> 1:33:36.160 Are so good. 1:33:36.320 --> 1:33:39.840 Do you remember shooting those and being like, oh, we're amazing. 1:33:39.920 --> 1:33:42.960 I don't know, and and we love and Petrovsky so 1:33:43.120 --> 1:33:44.640 much exactly. 1:33:44.960 --> 1:33:48.680 First of all, David and Joanna are two of the 1:33:48.720 --> 1:33:51.800 best actors. And I say that because you never see 1:33:51.840 --> 1:33:54.240 them acting, you always think they are that person. And 1:33:54.320 --> 1:33:57.680 she's Judge Petrovsky, no question, I needs Lionel Granger, like, 1:33:58.000 --> 1:34:00.679 no questions. Also, they're two of the most pleasant people 1:34:00.720 --> 1:34:04.960 to work with. They're just very delightful, smart, interesting, intelligent people. 1:34:05.040 --> 1:34:08.680 And I remember David saying to me and we were just, 1:34:08.720 --> 1:34:10.719 you know, waiting for them to set up between scenes, 1:34:11.040 --> 1:34:12.360 and I looked at it him and I said, oh, 1:34:12.400 --> 1:34:14.599 you know, you mentioned earlier and going to show your 1:34:14.640 --> 1:34:16.360 character is married, but you're not wearing a wedding ring. 1:34:16.720 --> 1:34:19.400 Did they forget? And he said, no, I think Lionel 1:34:19.400 --> 1:34:21.280 Granger is that kind of guy. He just is the 1:34:21.320 --> 1:34:23.320 kind of guy who's married but doesn't wear a ring. Yeah, 1:34:23.520 --> 1:34:26.320 he shouldn't have it. And I thought, oh my god, 1:34:26.360 --> 1:34:30.320 that's exactly right. But it's that attention to detail that 1:34:30.439 --> 1:34:33.000 makes it so so fun to play. 1:34:32.800 --> 1:34:36.080 With, right, Yeah, and do you remember being scared? I 1:34:36.120 --> 1:34:39.439 mean Zapota jumping over that table. I was, I mean, 1:34:40.200 --> 1:34:42.959 you just I was like, such a scary scene. 1:34:43.600 --> 1:34:47.400 It's the nicest guy, the nicest actors the world. That 1:34:47.439 --> 1:34:49.479 man moves fast, and so it's great. You don't have 1:34:49.520 --> 1:34:51.479 to do very many takes, right, you know, if you 1:34:51.479 --> 1:34:52.840 get it, if you get it right on the first time, 1:34:53.000 --> 1:34:56.639 it's hard to be surprised over and over. So rather fortunately, 1:34:56.680 --> 1:34:57.680 I think I think we got it. 1:34:58.000 --> 1:35:00.799 Yeah. I was wondering if maybe there was like prov involved, 1:35:00.840 --> 1:35:03.880 because you truly look so terrified when he comes at 1:35:03.920 --> 1:35:05.639 you in that scene that I was like, I wonder 1:35:05.680 --> 1:35:08.800 if he kind of jumped the line and just went 1:35:08.840 --> 1:35:10.800 at her or something, because I don't know, you just 1:35:10.920 --> 1:35:12.599 really look genuinely terrified. 1:35:12.600 --> 1:35:14.200 I don't see the acting there. 1:35:14.479 --> 1:35:16.920 I would say we choreographed it only because you sort 1:35:16.960 --> 1:35:19.640 of have to with moving furniture because you don't want 1:35:19.640 --> 1:35:20.840 to hit you know, we can't. You want to hit 1:35:20.840 --> 1:35:22.120 the crew, you want to hit an actor. You don't 1:35:22.160 --> 1:35:23.960 you know, you don't want to run the take by 1:35:23.960 --> 1:35:26.800 bumping into a light. But it was also really late 1:35:26.840 --> 1:35:28.960 at night, if I recall, and we were all tired, 1:35:29.120 --> 1:35:32.200 and I just you know, those hours were really long, 1:35:32.640 --> 1:35:36.440 and I think he just surprised the hell out of me. Yeah, 1:35:36.680 --> 1:35:39.600 we just got lucky. Also, I'm just a genius. 1:35:40.080 --> 1:35:44.000 Yes, yeah, well outside of David, And you got to 1:35:44.040 --> 1:35:47.400 work with so many defense attorneys, judges. Was there anyone 1:35:47.479 --> 1:35:49.160 on the call sheet you'd see and you'd be like, Oh, 1:35:49.200 --> 1:35:51.000 today is going to be extra fun, or I can't 1:35:51.000 --> 1:35:52.719 wait to show down with them in court? 1:35:53.600 --> 1:35:55.840 We're yeah, any faves. 1:35:56.400 --> 1:36:02.599 So the late Ned Eisenberg, who I adore, I Ned 1:36:02.840 --> 1:36:07.040 so talented and such a nice man. I almost I can't. 1:36:07.439 --> 1:36:10.920 I just can't bear the thought of the fact that 1:36:10.960 --> 1:36:13.200 he is no longer with us, and he was such 1:36:13.200 --> 1:36:14.880 a joy to work with. You know, there's a long 1:36:15.000 --> 1:36:18.160 day because they would shoot the courtroom, they would shoot 1:36:18.160 --> 1:36:21.599 the court room stuff altogether because for location reasons, so 1:36:21.640 --> 1:36:23.160 you would do nothing for a couple of days, and 1:36:23.200 --> 1:36:26.320 then you'd spend you know, forty eight out of seventy 1:36:26.360 --> 1:36:29.080 two hours on that set. And that you have to 1:36:29.120 --> 1:36:30.840 really want to be around the people who are there. 1:36:31.080 --> 1:36:33.240 And he just made every day so fun. He just 1:36:33.280 --> 1:36:37.479 made every day like acting camps. Judith light As another 1:36:37.960 --> 1:36:41.280 one percent of the time. Awesometimes I loved you if 1:36:41.360 --> 1:36:45.000 she's just so cool. Yeah, and oh my gosh, and 1:36:45.040 --> 1:36:46.400 I got really lucky with those kiod But you know, 1:36:46.439 --> 1:36:47.200 everybody's great. 1:36:47.400 --> 1:36:50.760 Yeah, like Ned Eisenberg, Like you know, he I know 1:36:50.840 --> 1:36:53.360 him mostly from the show, and he, you know, is 1:36:53.439 --> 1:36:55.720 kind of a jerk character, but there's still something so 1:36:55.840 --> 1:36:59.120 endearing about him. You know, you really like you like him, right, 1:36:59.479 --> 1:37:01.200 even though yeah, he's so great. 1:37:01.880 --> 1:37:03.639 Yeah, he was the clever guy. He's really smart, he's 1:37:03.680 --> 1:37:06.000 really funny. And he and b D ended up. Of 1:37:06.000 --> 1:37:08.080 course b D. Unfortunately b D and I did not. 1:37:08.640 --> 1:37:10.439 We weren't in the courtroom a lot together. B D 1:37:10.479 --> 1:37:13.000 and I are good friends, and having a day with 1:37:13.080 --> 1:37:14.639 him was really great. And he was in a play 1:37:14.640 --> 1:37:16.880 with Ned a few years ago, and I went to 1:37:16.880 --> 1:37:18.280 see it and I was like, oh, it's all my 1:37:18.320 --> 1:37:20.400 favorite things all at once. It's just not while and work, 1:37:20.439 --> 1:37:21.040 but there it is. 1:37:21.400 --> 1:37:24.280 Yeah, we did have b D on the podcast and 1:37:24.320 --> 1:37:26.439 he did mention that you guys are good friends, so 1:37:26.560 --> 1:37:28.880 we were hoping that he would, you know, give you 1:37:28.920 --> 1:37:30.720 a little nudge to do our podcast. 1:37:31.320 --> 1:37:31.479 You know. 1:37:31.560 --> 1:37:33.960 Unfortunately, were you able to see b D because b 1:37:34.120 --> 1:37:36.760 D has actually not aged at all. We had dinner 1:37:36.800 --> 1:37:39.560 two weeks ago with b D and Dan and his 1:37:39.680 --> 1:37:43.160 husband Micro and Becca, actually the afore mentioned Rebecca Perkins, 1:37:43.320 --> 1:37:45.680 and it was I mean, Becca and I could not 1:37:45.720 --> 1:37:49.360 stop staring at BDV, like, what is he doing, Chris? 1:37:49.640 --> 1:37:51.879 It looks shame, it's crazy. 1:37:52.040 --> 1:37:53.040 We told him that too. 1:37:53.080 --> 1:37:54.920 We were like, there's just no way that you're sixty, 1:37:54.960 --> 1:37:57.120 and he was like, I mean, this is it. I 1:37:57.200 --> 1:38:00.000 just could not believe it. He looks like fully better 1:38:00.000 --> 1:38:04.760 Benjamin Buttoning. But he also mentioned that you were the 1:38:05.000 --> 1:38:06.719 He mentioned to us that you were like a big 1:38:06.760 --> 1:38:09.560 restaurant person and that you're the person to talk to 1:38:09.720 --> 1:38:12.160 for like rexs of the new hot places in New York. 1:38:12.880 --> 1:38:15.519 I mean, I used to be I'm used to be 1:38:15.720 --> 1:38:17.880 My game used to be sharper, especially in a pre 1:38:17.960 --> 1:38:21.360 COVID world. But one of my best friends does hospitality 1:38:21.720 --> 1:38:24.120 pr and so I get to go to all of 1:38:24.160 --> 1:38:25.960 the great places with her. Just fun. 1:38:26.400 --> 1:38:28.760 Oh that's really nice. That's really fun. 1:38:28.800 --> 1:38:30.559 And you can still buy an actor with a free drink. 1:38:30.880 --> 1:38:34.080 I'll be in New York next week. Is there a 1:38:34.080 --> 1:38:36.320 hot news spot I should check out? 1:38:37.680 --> 1:38:39.960 Actually, there are two, and I'm proud to say that 1:38:40.160 --> 1:38:43.200 I had an eight. I am a tiny, a tiny 1:38:43.200 --> 1:38:45.080 bit of an investor. I have a small piece of 1:38:45.080 --> 1:38:46.880 the action. And both of them, and both of them 1:38:46.920 --> 1:38:50.200 are quite popular right now. One is a very chic 1:38:50.600 --> 1:38:54.000 Indian restaurant called Sona, which is on twentieth Street, and 1:38:54.040 --> 1:38:56.040 it's just kind of just written up in Vogue and 1:38:56.040 --> 1:38:57.479 we got a great review in the New York Times. 1:38:57.520 --> 1:38:59.040 And the food is really good and the scene is 1:38:59.040 --> 1:39:01.000 really great, and it's just or just and the cocktails 1:39:01.000 --> 1:39:04.640 are great. And then the other is Temple Bar. And 1:39:04.640 --> 1:39:06.639 I don't know if you remember Temple Bar from before, 1:39:07.360 --> 1:39:09.680 but it's basically where everybody went in the eighties and 1:39:09.760 --> 1:39:14.360 nineties to have an affair or quit their job and 1:39:14.360 --> 1:39:17.160 get a new job. It's on Lafayette, it's on Lafayette 1:39:17.160 --> 1:39:20.719 Street between it's just north of Houston. It's one block 1:39:20.760 --> 1:39:23.840 north on Lafayette, and it's Temple Bar. And we have 1:39:24.600 --> 1:39:28.160 very thoughtfully not we haven't redone it so much as 1:39:28.200 --> 1:39:31.040 restored kept the logo. We've kept the lighting, and we've 1:39:31.080 --> 1:39:33.920 kept the sexy phone booths and so the vibe is 1:39:34.080 --> 1:39:37.080 very similar what it was and when we first experienced it. 1:39:37.320 --> 1:39:39.680 So I cannot recommend either of those masters. 1:39:39.520 --> 1:39:41.439 I wrote them down. I can't wait. But if I 1:39:41.479 --> 1:39:42.800 may say, so love it. 1:39:43.479 --> 1:39:43.599 Well. 1:39:43.640 --> 1:39:45.640 We were talking about we were talking. 1:39:45.360 --> 1:39:49.280 About your relationships with other cast members, and it seems 1:39:49.320 --> 1:39:51.919 like you always have sort of a sweet mentor mentee 1:39:51.920 --> 1:39:55.439 relationship with Fred Thompson as well, the former senator s 1:39:55.520 --> 1:39:56.599 last district attorney. 1:39:57.080 --> 1:40:02.200 You know, somebody I really did really make me. Weap 1:40:02.240 --> 1:40:04.360 me last night watching that scene with him. I loved 1:40:04.439 --> 1:40:07.880 working for us. Yeah, he was such a gentleman and 1:40:08.720 --> 1:40:12.760 and just so just so professional. You know, we, for 1:40:12.800 --> 1:40:14.680 whatever reason, we always ended up shooting late at night. 1:40:14.720 --> 1:40:16.360 You know, I would wait most of the day and 1:40:16.400 --> 1:40:18.280 then I would be called at three o'clock in the afternoon, 1:40:18.320 --> 1:40:19.880 and then I'd work n till two o'clock in the morning. 1:40:20.240 --> 1:40:21.920 And for whatever reason, Fred and I always ended up 1:40:21.920 --> 1:40:23.559 in these scenes late at night. It's not just lit 1:40:23.600 --> 1:40:25.640 that way, it often kind of was that way. And 1:40:25.800 --> 1:40:29.360 here he is, and he just was he always news line. 1:40:29.600 --> 1:40:32.479 He was always the absolute gentleman, holding a door open, 1:40:33.160 --> 1:40:36.600 a lovely conversation. He's a breaking senator. I mean was 1:40:36.640 --> 1:40:38.840 a busy person. He had a lot going on, and 1:40:38.880 --> 1:40:41.439 I'd look at what's happening and politics today, and we 1:40:41.479 --> 1:40:43.599 don't have to get too political, but you know, Fred 1:40:43.720 --> 1:40:47.000 was a Republican senator from tense. He couldn't have been 1:40:47.000 --> 1:40:50.080 a more decent and more wonderful person. And I loved 1:40:50.080 --> 1:40:51.920 working with him, and he was great at his job. 1:40:52.240 --> 1:40:55.519 Josh, he was gonna oh wow, So there's that well 1:40:55.520 --> 1:40:59.559 out outside of the main he worked with so many 1:40:59.560 --> 1:41:02.800 people that were on the cast and recurring. Were there 1:41:03.000 --> 1:41:06.360 any days where you saw the guest star or who 1:41:06.400 --> 1:41:08.120 you were going to grill on the stand and you 1:41:08.160 --> 1:41:10.840 were like, holy shit, this is I can't believe this 1:41:10.880 --> 1:41:11.400 is happening. 1:41:11.960 --> 1:41:15.240 Well, okay, so there wasn't a so for a hot second. 1:41:15.760 --> 1:41:20.160 Diane Weese with Fred Thompson had Fred Thompson's role as 1:41:20.160 --> 1:41:22.640 the da and I worked with Dian Weas in a 1:41:22.640 --> 1:41:25.720 couple of scenes, and she is probably one of my 1:41:25.720 --> 1:41:28.840 favorite actresses of all time, like of all time, And 1:41:28.880 --> 1:41:31.479 I almost couldn't work with her because I was so 1:41:31.800 --> 1:41:34.840 nervous to be working with legend and she really didn't 1:41:34.920 --> 1:41:36.880 care that much about the show. She could have been nicer, 1:41:36.920 --> 1:41:39.120 but she was she really didn't want to be there, 1:41:39.160 --> 1:41:41.160 and she was just kind of out of there. She 1:41:41.320 --> 1:41:45.240 was a little formula for me. But she was very nice, 1:41:45.280 --> 1:41:47.320 and of course she was very good. And then we 1:41:47.360 --> 1:41:49.639 had Lena Olwen on one of our episodes. I don't 1:41:49.640 --> 1:41:51.960 know if you remember it or watched it, but I 1:41:51.960 --> 1:41:55.719 will say, for all of the insanely good looking people 1:41:55.880 --> 1:41:59.760 that had come across the Law and Order stage, no 1:41:59.800 --> 1:42:03.840 one props me to Oland for like natural gorgeousness. I 1:42:03.880 --> 1:42:06.800 mean all of us were falling. I mean, can we 1:42:06.840 --> 1:42:09.880 get some dream? Oh look, oh that's so beautiful on 1:42:09.920 --> 1:42:12.680 you here? Sit here. I mean we couldn't. It's like 1:42:12.720 --> 1:42:16.200 we all collectively, from cameraman to Grip to me, had 1:42:16.200 --> 1:42:19.680 a crush on her, even Chris, who is so professional, 1:42:19.800 --> 1:42:23.439 but Chris, Chris has you have to keep you know, 1:42:23.600 --> 1:42:25.720 most actors have to keep kind of a sort of 1:42:25.720 --> 1:42:27.639 a personal distance just so you can stay a character. 1:42:27.760 --> 1:42:30.360 You know, you can't just be chatting all time because 1:42:30.640 --> 1:42:33.559 you can't concentrate. And even Chris was just kind of like, 1:42:34.240 --> 1:42:37.800 how are you doing to dating? I mean, we just 1:42:38.360 --> 1:42:39.639 we're just obsessed with her. 1:42:40.080 --> 1:42:44.879 Oh my god, I love it. That's awesome. 1:42:45.439 --> 1:42:45.519 Wea. 1:42:45.760 --> 1:42:48.360 I was going to ask you when you were rewatching. 1:42:47.840 --> 1:42:51.000 The episode last night, because Okay, you're talking about some 1:42:51.000 --> 1:42:52.680 beautiful women, but what about when you have to go 1:42:52.680 --> 1:42:54.439 ahead to head with some of these hot guys. Because 1:42:54.479 --> 1:42:56.519 last night, I was real when we were rewatching it, 1:42:56.600 --> 1:42:58.560 I was sensing a lot of chemistry between you and 1:42:58.600 --> 1:43:01.439 the dea guy who got blown before he. 1:43:01.400 --> 1:43:02.760 Got blown kaboom. 1:43:03.040 --> 1:43:03.360 Yeah. 1:43:03.600 --> 1:43:05.320 I felt like maybe a date was going to happen 1:43:05.320 --> 1:43:06.600 with you. No, but then it turned out he was 1:43:06.600 --> 1:43:09.360 married with kids. But you know, I really felt like 1:43:09.439 --> 1:43:10.679 there was a chemistry with you too. 1:43:11.240 --> 1:43:13.240 Well. You know, it's so funny. You know, Peter Herman 1:43:13.400 --> 1:43:15.280 was brought on. They were toying with the idea of 1:43:15.280 --> 1:43:18.559 making him permanently Cabot's boyfriend. How hilarious is that? 1:43:18.720 --> 1:43:19.439 Oh my god? 1:43:20.600 --> 1:43:22.880 Yeah, I Peter Herman appere on the show in the 1:43:22.880 --> 1:43:26.240 context of being a possible love interest for Cabots, and 1:43:26.280 --> 1:43:28.120 then they decided that they just didn't really want to 1:43:28.120 --> 1:43:30.280 do that with the show, and what was working regular 1:43:30.320 --> 1:43:32.080 Law and Order was the fact that the characters didn't 1:43:32.080 --> 1:43:34.400 really have personal lives and they just didn't want to 1:43:34.400 --> 1:43:36.439 go down that road. And then you know Peter ends 1:43:36.479 --> 1:43:37.080 up marying Mushka. 1:43:38.000 --> 1:43:43.120 Yeah, you were there for that whole romance blossoming huh. 1:43:42.920 --> 1:43:46.560 Yes, no, I watched it. I mean I met him first. 1:43:47.840 --> 1:43:50.320 And then was it obvious like when they started flirting, 1:43:50.320 --> 1:43:52.800 where was everyone like, oh, we know what's going to 1:43:52.880 --> 1:43:53.280 go down. 1:43:54.040 --> 1:43:56.320 Well, Marcia is just so funny and she's so charming, 1:43:56.400 --> 1:43:59.160 So there's rarely a person around her who isn't delighted 1:43:59.200 --> 1:44:02.920 by her company a ton of fun and Peter is 1:44:03.000 --> 1:44:06.719 so they're very complimentary characters. He's incredibly thoughtful, he's incredibly kind, 1:44:06.800 --> 1:44:09.960 he's incredibly decent. He also speaks three languages. He went 1:44:10.000 --> 1:44:12.880 to Yale, he was teaching for America's first volunteer. He 1:44:12.960 --> 1:44:15.680 literally is number one in their register. Yeah, he has 1:44:15.720 --> 1:44:18.559 a lot to recommend him in terms of what kind 1:44:18.600 --> 1:44:22.880 of character he is, and they just it's funny because 1:44:24.320 --> 1:44:25.920 they really did just kind of hit it off from 1:44:25.960 --> 1:44:28.120 the beginning. She was in one of the scenes. I 1:44:28.120 --> 1:44:30.639 can't remember why she was there. I think Benson comes 1:44:30.680 --> 1:44:32.280 to tell Cab it might not have even made it 1:44:32.280 --> 1:44:35.160 into an episode, but I think we're on some kind 1:44:35.160 --> 1:44:36.800 of date or dinner. I can't remember what it is, 1:44:36.840 --> 1:44:39.280 but but Benson shows up and so obviously we're all 1:44:39.280 --> 1:44:41.880 shooting the scene together, and I'm like, what what's going 1:44:41.920 --> 1:44:44.800 on these two? And then you know, cut to three 1:44:44.880 --> 1:44:48.280 kids later. Yeah, there are our house in the hands 1:44:48.280 --> 1:44:49.880 and having each other over. Yeah. 1:44:50.160 --> 1:44:53.240 Wait, do you know that there's a lot of fan 1:44:54.040 --> 1:44:57.360 thick of Cabot and Benson ending up together and you 1:44:57.400 --> 1:45:01.200 guys being each other as romantic love affairs? 1:45:01.320 --> 1:45:04.400 Not, okay, do I know that? But the last time 1:45:04.439 --> 1:45:06.599 I was on the show, Rurushka and I just to 1:45:06.640 --> 1:45:08.800 mess with everybody when we were saying goodbye in a 1:45:08.840 --> 1:45:11.639 scene shot on a city corner downtown by city Hall 1:45:11.720 --> 1:45:16.000 at night, we kissed on camera just to mess with 1:45:16.040 --> 1:45:19.960 the editors. Think. She's like, how are you doing. I 1:45:20.000 --> 1:45:21.680 was like, I'll see you again, you know how it 1:45:21.720 --> 1:45:22.840 is with I mean, it was kind of like one 1:45:22.880 --> 1:45:26.080 of those you will anybody win, justice win, And then 1:45:26.080 --> 1:45:28.200 we just kissed each other spontaneously and then we could 1:45:28.200 --> 1:45:29.040 not stop laughing. 1:45:29.479 --> 1:45:32.280 So that exists somewhere. So that is somewhere on the 1:45:32.400 --> 1:45:33.440 editing room floor. 1:45:34.080 --> 1:45:38.479 So that they tore that up, but nothing with them. 1:45:38.479 --> 1:45:39.559 We could not stop laughing. 1:45:39.960 --> 1:45:42.120 That's so funny, because yeah, there's all you know, there's 1:45:42.160 --> 1:45:45.160 been this decades of Benson Stabler, which we're not really 1:45:45.160 --> 1:45:47.400 a part of. We're not really on that team. And 1:45:47.439 --> 1:45:49.840 then there's a lot of people that are like forget them. 1:45:49.840 --> 1:45:52.760 Then it's got to be Benson in Cabot and I 1:45:52.760 --> 1:45:54.360 don't know, you guys would make a pretty hot couple. 1:45:54.400 --> 1:45:59.240 And now that this kiss is out there, who knows. 1:45:57.439 --> 1:46:00.920 It's out there somewhere? It's so fabulous. Come on, where 1:46:00.920 --> 1:46:04.520 each other's half birthdays? I think that matters somehow astologically. 1:46:06.240 --> 1:46:09.479 I also think what was really important about the show 1:46:10.000 --> 1:46:13.360 is none of us were anybody's girlfriend, and you know 1:46:13.439 --> 1:46:17.160 that's quite my earlier. It was a story about people 1:46:17.160 --> 1:46:20.800 in their jobs, not guys with jobs and the girls 1:46:20.840 --> 1:46:23.960 they date. And I think it was really meaningful for 1:46:24.080 --> 1:46:27.200 people to see two women have a relationship with one 1:46:27.240 --> 1:46:30.240 another rooted in something other than just isn't it fun 1:46:30.240 --> 1:46:32.200 to be here at this party? You know, it was 1:46:32.280 --> 1:46:35.479 rooted in a really deep passion for something and an 1:46:35.479 --> 1:46:39.439 overlapping passion. And I think that probably that friendship and 1:46:39.479 --> 1:46:42.800 that professional integrity. It just seemed two women together on 1:46:42.880 --> 1:46:45.840 camera who can have a strong scene and it's not 1:46:45.880 --> 1:46:50.519 about some dude. I think that's important, and that happened 1:46:50.560 --> 1:46:51.839 very often when we first started. 1:46:52.000 --> 1:46:54.760 Well, and you also like aren't scared of any of 1:46:54.800 --> 1:46:57.120 the dudes, like you were yelling at Stabler to do 1:46:57.160 --> 1:46:58.240 that his fucking. 1:46:57.960 --> 1:47:01.919 Job a lot, like you talk to Craigan. 1:47:02.160 --> 1:47:06.439 I mean, it's also like two really badass characters all 1:47:06.439 --> 1:47:06.960 the way through. 1:47:07.360 --> 1:47:08.720 Such what. 1:47:08.840 --> 1:47:12.599 I watched it last night, So since the episode, of course, 1:47:13.040 --> 1:47:16.920 I've watched every episode of Narcos and Narcos Mexico. So 1:47:16.960 --> 1:47:19.360 I look at Cabot yesterday and I'm thinking, what are 1:47:19.400 --> 1:47:21.920 you doing? Those guys are going to kill you. I mean, 1:47:23.560 --> 1:47:29.240 now I understand back off, I know, I know now. 1:47:29.080 --> 1:47:32.200 That we've seen so much cartel, Like you know, there's 1:47:32.200 --> 1:47:34.759 been a lot of cartel content, Like since that episode 1:47:34.760 --> 1:47:37.200 came out, you're like, oh my god, leave it alone. 1:47:37.280 --> 1:47:39.920 Yeah, but thinking she can go on that guy's yacht, 1:47:39.920 --> 1:47:40.760 I mean, what the hell? 1:47:40.880 --> 1:47:43.599 Yeah, the Dea guys were right, They're like they'll take 1:47:43.640 --> 1:47:46.120 down a whole plane of people, like please stop, and yeah, 1:47:46.240 --> 1:47:47.000 like absolutely not. 1:47:47.320 --> 1:47:49.680 Yeah, it's so positive they're going to exercise him. 1:47:49.800 --> 1:47:51.559 But even I mean that passion. 1:47:51.560 --> 1:47:55.240 Then later when you leave with the episode, witness to 1:47:55.360 --> 1:47:57.800 like go to the congo that character like, she's just 1:47:57.920 --> 1:48:00.920 passionate about her work and justice, and that's what makes 1:48:00.920 --> 1:48:01.920 her so good at her job. 1:48:02.360 --> 1:48:04.960 Well, what I liked is that when she started, and 1:48:05.000 --> 1:48:06.960 this is what I really tried, you know, you always 1:48:06.960 --> 1:48:09.799 trying to come up with things to keep it interesting 1:48:09.960 --> 1:48:12.800 or rich or give that person a full in her life. 1:48:12.880 --> 1:48:15.759 You know, wherever they're whenever they appear on camera, in theory, 1:48:15.760 --> 1:48:19.360 they've just come from somewhere, right, they exist somewhere in 1:48:19.439 --> 1:48:23.240 my imagination. So at first, when Alex started, I decided 1:48:23.240 --> 1:48:26.080 that she was a person who was very, very committed 1:48:26.080 --> 1:48:28.040 to doing her job by the letter of the law. 1:48:28.080 --> 1:48:30.080 Because this is kind of you know, for a lot 1:48:30.120 --> 1:48:32.920 of attorneys, you work for a few years in this 1:48:32.960 --> 1:48:35.840 capacity and then you get hired by some hot ship firm, Right, 1:48:35.880 --> 1:48:37.840 that's what you do. You kind of prove yourself in 1:48:37.880 --> 1:48:40.560 a real litigating capacity, and you know, it's kind of 1:48:40.600 --> 1:48:43.000 like doing theater, so then you can star in a movie. Right. 1:48:43.680 --> 1:48:47.000 So I decided that she really wanted to be a 1:48:47.120 --> 1:48:49.559 kind of a hard ass at work because her goal 1:48:50.200 --> 1:48:53.200 was to get this massive corporate job and really make 1:48:53.240 --> 1:48:57.120 it and then over time, exposure to the people she 1:48:57.200 --> 1:48:59.760 worked with and the cases she was working on, and 1:48:59.800 --> 1:49:03.400 her commitment to her profession changed her personally. And it's 1:49:03.400 --> 1:49:06.080 been so fun to be able to grow that over 1:49:06.240 --> 1:49:09.400 a legitimate period of time. It's played out as I hoped. 1:49:09.640 --> 1:49:11.639 Yeah, yeah, no, it definitely did. 1:49:11.680 --> 1:49:14.920 It definitely comes across that ambition she had at the 1:49:14.960 --> 1:49:18.000 beginning and then transferring it to sort of the greater good. 1:49:18.479 --> 1:49:22.400 But when you left, because this episode lost is when 1:49:22.439 --> 1:49:25.400 you leave for a minute, were you leaving to go 1:49:25.439 --> 1:49:28.439 do other projects? Were you like, did you feel like 1:49:28.479 --> 1:49:29.599 you had to step away so. 1:49:29.520 --> 1:49:30.240 You could come back? 1:49:30.240 --> 1:49:32.080 And did you always know you were going to come 1:49:32.080 --> 1:49:33.680 back at all, like cause you come in and out 1:49:33.720 --> 1:49:36.000 of the series like two or three times. 1:49:36.560 --> 1:49:39.160 Well, it was two things. I didn't like an idiot. 1:49:39.920 --> 1:49:42.400 By that, I mean I had had so much success 1:49:42.439 --> 1:49:44.320 early that what I thought was going to happen was 1:49:44.360 --> 1:49:45.920 I was just going to go from job to jobs, 1:49:46.400 --> 1:49:47.680 and at that point I had done, you know, one 1:49:47.760 --> 1:49:51.559 hundred and something episodes. And the success of the show 1:49:51.800 --> 1:49:56.160 is that it is rooted in a certain rhythm and 1:49:56.200 --> 1:50:00.200 a certain familiarity and a certain pattern that's very true 1:50:00.240 --> 1:50:02.720 to life and as an actor, after a certain point 1:50:02.720 --> 1:50:05.760 in time, you think I've got to be somebody other 1:50:05.800 --> 1:50:07.720 than Elx Cabot. I just I've got to know I 1:50:07.800 --> 1:50:11.120 gotta not wear a suit. And so I was a 1:50:11.120 --> 1:50:13.280 young actor and I wanted to do more things. But 1:50:13.360 --> 1:50:16.599 I truly wish that I had understood at the time. 1:50:16.800 --> 1:50:20.439 And remember everything was changing is reality television was starting 1:50:20.479 --> 1:50:22.360 and that was becoming thus saying, you know, and they 1:50:22.360 --> 1:50:24.320 were about to put Jay Leno on the air every 1:50:24.400 --> 1:50:27.000 night for an hour, and it was all about low 1:50:27.040 --> 1:50:31.679 cost production and you know, reality stars, and you couldn't 1:50:31.680 --> 1:50:34.280 do TV and movies and there wasn't streaming, and like 1:50:34.360 --> 1:50:37.200 the television landscape was very different. And so I thought 1:50:37.200 --> 1:50:39.000 I was going to have to leave the show to 1:50:39.080 --> 1:50:42.680 do something else. And if I'd been more creative, I 1:50:42.720 --> 1:50:44.760 probably would have tried to find a way to do both. 1:50:44.840 --> 1:50:48.400 Because I miss Alex a lot and I love Alex. 1:50:48.479 --> 1:50:51.640 And the reason they didn't kill Alex she went in 1:50:51.680 --> 1:50:54.960 the witness protection is because Dick told me he made 1:50:55.000 --> 1:50:56.880 a huge mistake when he killed Joe Hennessy because he 1:50:56.880 --> 1:50:59.200 always wanted to bring her back back. It's like anybody 1:50:59.240 --> 1:51:01.599 who shows up on and note their lines, we probably 1:51:01.600 --> 1:51:05.160 won't kill That was a terrible idea and I can't 1:51:05.160 --> 1:51:05.599 bring your breath. 1:51:05.680 --> 1:51:07.200 So did you just get a call one day and 1:51:07.240 --> 1:51:08.959 they're like, please come back? 1:51:09.560 --> 1:51:12.880 Or were you like, yeah, okay, big They said you 1:51:12.920 --> 1:51:16.000 want to do half a season and I said, yeah, sure, 1:51:16.000 --> 1:51:18.120 I'd love to do half a season. No, am I 1:51:18.120 --> 1:51:19.680 going to get to do some fun stuff? Can I 1:51:19.720 --> 1:51:20.479 wear pants this time? 1:51:20.600 --> 1:51:21.200 Yeah? 1:51:21.240 --> 1:51:25.439 And you know, and they said yes. And it's so. 1:51:25.720 --> 1:51:28.640 I mean the greatest thing about this job is that 1:51:28.760 --> 1:51:30.519 I live in New York and New York it's a 1:51:30.640 --> 1:51:34.080 character on the show, right, So I get to show 1:51:34.200 --> 1:51:38.599 up in my city, work with these amazing people, really 1:51:38.640 --> 1:51:42.400 explore all of these different corners of Manhattan and brons 1:51:42.960 --> 1:51:45.360 Brooklyn that I never would have and have a great 1:51:45.400 --> 1:51:49.679 time and act my face off sometime. It's such a 1:51:49.720 --> 1:51:50.439 great job. 1:51:51.320 --> 1:51:54.479 So when you came back for season nineteen, is it 1:51:54.600 --> 1:51:58.559 like oh old, like visiting your old high school? Or 1:51:58.680 --> 1:52:00.960 is everyone the same? Is it people and you're like, hey, 1:52:00.960 --> 1:52:02.840 don't you remember me? What is the vibe when you 1:52:02.880 --> 1:52:05.800 come back your most recent episode? 1:52:05.840 --> 1:52:09.280 Well, first of all, like I'm older now, this is 1:52:09.280 --> 1:52:12.800 a while ago, so everybody is totally tattooed. That's the 1:52:12.840 --> 1:52:14.920 first thing I always thought is, oh my god, the 1:52:14.960 --> 1:52:17.719 camera crew is like twenty three and they're totally patted 1:52:17.760 --> 1:52:20.800 up and they're such badasses. Was it like that? Always? 1:52:21.280 --> 1:52:23.920 There are far more women behind the camera than there 1:52:24.000 --> 1:52:28.559 used to be, which is outstanding. The set is just filthy. 1:52:28.720 --> 1:52:30.840 They have got to deep clean that thing. I don't 1:52:30.960 --> 1:52:33.760 care how good it looks on camera. I don't care 1:52:33.800 --> 1:52:36.720 how they've judged it, don't care how they've grew more office. 1:52:37.200 --> 1:52:41.599 Get in there and get to it. I honestly can't 1:52:41.600 --> 1:52:46.040 believe it. There's that, But in terms of Alex and not, 1:52:46.240 --> 1:52:50.960 it feels it's like seeing an old sun and no 1:52:51.080 --> 1:52:51.839 time has passed. 1:52:52.360 --> 1:52:55.040 Yeah, yeah, that's fun. I love it. 1:52:55.080 --> 1:52:57.839 Did you like, I know you were in ninety seven episodes, 1:52:57.880 --> 1:53:00.519 so this might seem like a very you know, broad 1:53:00.600 --> 1:53:03.400 question and you can definitely pass on it. But were 1:53:03.400 --> 1:53:05.639 there any episodes like we always talk about the episodes 1:53:05.640 --> 1:53:07.800 that haunt us, Like we've seen every episode of the show, 1:53:07.840 --> 1:53:10.360 you know, multiple times, but there's a few that I'm like, 1:53:10.360 --> 1:53:12.960 oh my god, this one really like when I used 1:53:13.080 --> 1:53:15.600 my life, Like, yeah, I think about it, you know, 1:53:15.880 --> 1:53:18.280 or like, were there any like that for you or 1:53:18.320 --> 1:53:22.120 any that you like changed your perspective on anything, or 1:53:22.240 --> 1:53:22.679 you know. 1:53:23.320 --> 1:53:26.280 You know, I think what happened. I remember thinking on 1:53:26.400 --> 1:53:29.280 days that I worked, I couldn't read the paper because 1:53:29.280 --> 1:53:31.519 it was too much bad news. It was just too 1:53:31.600 --> 1:53:34.280 like too much. And I don't think it's an accident 1:53:34.360 --> 1:53:36.760 that most of us. I mean, it's certainly works, because 1:53:36.840 --> 1:53:40.400 certainly may certainly be have become involved in organizations that 1:53:40.479 --> 1:53:42.599 address the issues that we talk about on the show. 1:53:42.720 --> 1:53:46.479 Because it's kind of full time immersion in this really 1:53:46.560 --> 1:53:51.000 dark place, you feel like you need to do something 1:53:51.040 --> 1:53:55.320 about it in real life, right, So is it any 1:53:55.400 --> 1:53:57.679 one thing? I mean, there's an episode about an honor 1:53:57.760 --> 1:53:59.920 killing that's basically right. When I first started that, I thought, 1:54:00.000 --> 1:54:02.120 oh my god, I can't believe this happens in the world. 1:54:02.200 --> 1:54:05.360 Happens all the time. It was a shocking amount of 1:54:05.800 --> 1:54:08.920 child sexual abuse that is just it is ripped on 1:54:08.960 --> 1:54:11.439 the headline. I mean the headlines are often worse actually, 1:54:12.920 --> 1:54:16.400 so over time, exposure to this material I think has 1:54:16.439 --> 1:54:20.720 made us really rethink, we think how we want to 1:54:20.760 --> 1:54:25.439 spend our philanthropic efforts, really want to put them. It's 1:54:25.520 --> 1:54:26.519 not easy to walk away from. 1:54:26.720 --> 1:54:29.400 Yeah, And I was reading a little bit about you, 1:54:29.560 --> 1:54:33.000 and I know you've had involvement with Planned Parenthood and 1:54:33.040 --> 1:54:36.600 the organization Safe Horizon. Are you still involved with those 1:54:36.680 --> 1:54:40.680 organizations or is there an organization that you currently work 1:54:40.760 --> 1:54:41.880 with that you very. 1:54:41.800 --> 1:54:43.920 Much so, I don't. I'm not on the board of 1:54:43.960 --> 1:54:46.400 Safe Horizon anymore. But just for another reason, I just 1:54:46.520 --> 1:54:49.120 I just became so busy. But the Safe Horizon phone 1:54:49.200 --> 1:54:51.520 number was actually the number that they flashed at the 1:54:51.640 --> 1:54:53.879 end of every episode of the first season of SCU 1:54:54.360 --> 1:54:57.160 because it was one of the few organizations in the 1:54:57.400 --> 1:55:02.600 United States to address actually violent crimes. And I'm still 1:55:02.680 --> 1:55:05.400 very involved with Plant Parenthood. My great grandmother actually founded 1:55:05.440 --> 1:55:10.520 Planned Parenthood Texas ninety eight, Oh my gosh, Ruby Webster March, 1:55:10.880 --> 1:55:12.960 and that was the West Texas Mother's Health Clinic, I 1:55:13.000 --> 1:55:14.320 think that's what it was called at the time, and 1:55:14.320 --> 1:55:16.880 then it was absorbed in the Planned Parenthood and she 1:55:16.960 --> 1:55:20.320 would be really appalled that was happening today, saying would 1:55:20.320 --> 1:55:23.080 not be happy about it. But anyway, somebody in nineteen 1:55:23.120 --> 1:55:25.040 thirty eight thinks it's a good idea. Let's get on 1:55:25.080 --> 1:55:25.480 board here. 1:55:25.480 --> 1:55:27.320 In twenty twenty, yeah, exactly. 1:55:28.200 --> 1:55:30.840 Well, I proudly donate to Planned Parenthood every month in 1:55:30.880 --> 1:55:34.920 Mike Pence's name. I think my donation is still holding 1:55:34.920 --> 1:55:35.879 over so awesome. 1:55:37.560 --> 1:55:41.800 No, it's really incredible that SVU has been so ahead 1:55:41.800 --> 1:55:45.600 of its time on so many important issues that are 1:55:45.680 --> 1:55:49.720 now still being talked about, and like there're just episodes 1:55:49.760 --> 1:55:52.600 from season four that are still issues today. I think 1:55:52.640 --> 1:55:55.840 about one of my most haunting was the episode with 1:55:55.920 --> 1:55:59.480 Kate Menig and she was trans and they sent her 1:55:59.480 --> 1:56:01.760 to the boyd present and then Benson calls you and 1:56:01.840 --> 1:56:03.920 is like meet me at the hospital, and like that 1:56:04.040 --> 1:56:06.440 scene lives in me all the. 1:56:06.400 --> 1:56:09.400 Time, and it's just like so fucked that it's. 1:56:09.960 --> 1:56:14.919 It's absolutely still an issue. It could be headline news 1:56:15.320 --> 1:56:17.760 right now. It's you know, I will tell you something 1:56:17.960 --> 1:56:21.760 that's sort of scary. When I started the number of 1:56:22.400 --> 1:56:24.360 sex crimes. First of all, who knows how many are 1:56:24.400 --> 1:56:27.280 actually brought to trial or people press charges. But the 1:56:27.320 --> 1:56:30.040 number of times somebody's convicted is the conviction rate is 1:56:30.200 --> 1:56:36.440 four percent for percent, So that's it's better now. I 1:56:36.440 --> 1:56:39.200 would not say it's amazing, but it's significantly better. But 1:56:39.240 --> 1:56:41.880 if that tells you how, it's just it's not a 1:56:41.880 --> 1:56:44.800 subject matter anybody wanted to talk about. Our face and 1:56:44.840 --> 1:56:48.440 I really credit the show making that part of a 1:56:48.560 --> 1:56:52.600 national conversation around something that people have been really afraid 1:56:52.600 --> 1:56:53.120 to talk about. 1:56:53.640 --> 1:56:57.480 Yeah, we definitely have learned so much from I mean, 1:56:57.680 --> 1:57:00.320 like I had to did We covered the episode Witness 1:57:00.440 --> 1:57:04.120 where you have your your amazing relationship with. 1:57:05.440 --> 1:57:05.920 Narda Lee. 1:57:06.160 --> 1:57:08.960 The actress Saiita eric Akalona, who we also talked to 1:57:09.000 --> 1:57:14.760 on our podcast, one of the most powerful on the 1:57:14.800 --> 1:57:16.920 stand performances fantastic. 1:57:17.760 --> 1:57:19.720 She is so good. 1:57:19.880 --> 1:57:23.240 Okay, yeah, no, absolutely, absolutely, No, I wasn't. I wasn't 1:57:23.280 --> 1:57:23.880 trying to interrupt. 1:57:23.960 --> 1:57:26.120 I just yeah, I was just saying, you know, like 1:57:26.480 --> 1:57:28.880 the atrocities in the Congo, what I have known about 1:57:28.920 --> 1:57:31.520 that if I didn't watch SPU, I can't say for sure. 1:57:31.680 --> 1:57:34.960 You know, like there's there's so much that they I 1:57:34.960 --> 1:57:38.080 think that they're constantly reinventing and finding new ways to 1:57:38.120 --> 1:57:39.920 bring issues to the forefront. 1:57:39.480 --> 1:57:40.960 And not as serious of an issue. 1:57:41.000 --> 1:57:43.800 But I love whenever you or any of the DA's 1:57:43.880 --> 1:57:46.160 like go into a giant board meeting and take down 1:57:46.200 --> 1:57:48.120 a huge company And it was like the kid who 1:57:48.200 --> 1:57:52.120 was licking lead off the cars, And so I'll forever 1:57:52.240 --> 1:57:54.480 know what Pika is because of. 1:57:55.920 --> 1:57:59.200 Oh yeah, exactly. You know, it's so funny. I one 1:57:59.200 --> 1:58:01.920 of my goals. It's not really really, it's you set 1:58:01.960 --> 1:58:03.760 small goals for yourself in the middle of the scene. 1:58:03.760 --> 1:58:06.560 And there's always water on the tables in the courtroom 1:58:06.560 --> 1:58:09.600 because he does not they picture water. And I was like, 1:58:09.680 --> 1:58:12.480 one of these times, I'm going to drink water. I'm 1:58:12.480 --> 1:58:14.240 going to drink water and camera. These pictures that I've 1:58:14.240 --> 1:58:16.040 been looking at for four years are not just going 1:58:16.080 --> 1:58:18.960 to and so I would slowly have drinking glass of water. They' 1:58:19.080 --> 1:58:21.480 nota be having sipping my water thoughtfully, and I was like, 1:58:22.080 --> 1:58:24.240 I never made it in there. I was like, I'm 1:58:24.240 --> 1:58:26.080 going to drink water on camera if it kills me. 1:58:26.240 --> 1:58:29.920 It never happened. No, they're not going anybody else on 1:58:29.960 --> 1:58:33.320 the show not Yeah, nope, that's not that's not the deal. 1:58:34.280 --> 1:58:35.360 This more silly. 1:58:35.600 --> 1:58:37.440 But we did talk to Neil bar and we talked 1:58:37.440 --> 1:58:40.920 about Rory Culkin that episode Man and his Wig. Was 1:58:40.960 --> 1:58:43.080 it hard not to laugh at the wig? Were you 1:58:43.560 --> 1:58:45.440 uh distracted by the wig? 1:58:47.920 --> 1:58:50.720 I could not afford to be distracted by anything because mine. 1:58:51.200 --> 1:58:53.240 You know, you've got to learn legal easee right, you 1:58:53.280 --> 1:58:56.680 have to. You need to present this material like like 1:58:56.760 --> 1:58:58.280 you're not memorizing it, like you just know what you're 1:58:58.280 --> 1:58:59.880 talking about, you know, you know what I mean, Like 1:59:00.880 --> 1:59:02.960 artists don't have to come up with the right words 1:59:02.960 --> 1:59:05.880 and the technique of the paint that they're just it's 1:59:05.920 --> 1:59:08.600 your vocabulary, right, your vernacular of your profession. So I 1:59:08.680 --> 1:59:11.560 was always really fixated on my lines, probably more so 1:59:11.680 --> 1:59:16.640 than other people's, you know, costume. But working with Neil 1:59:16.840 --> 1:59:18.880 was one of the most fun things. Neil came up 1:59:18.920 --> 1:59:22.240 with some of the most creative ideas. He loved bringing 1:59:22.240 --> 1:59:25.520 on the most eclectic group of actors. Oh, he's so awesome. 1:59:25.880 --> 1:59:28.680 Yeah, we've talked to him twice and we are obsessed 1:59:28.720 --> 1:59:32.040 with him. Uh and yeah, like Lena Ollen. He brings 1:59:32.040 --> 1:59:35.480 in all these like beautiful actresses from like not like 1:59:35.640 --> 1:59:38.920 older years, but you know like that maybe I haven't 1:59:39.000 --> 1:59:40.760 seen you know that they kind of get like a 1:59:40.800 --> 1:59:41.520 second life. 1:59:42.040 --> 1:59:44.920 Neil Behar is a lover of the lady actress. 1:59:44.560 --> 1:59:47.200 Yes, for sure. He's told us a lot about that. 1:59:48.160 --> 1:59:51.960 Well, speaking of lady love, I am obsessed with Kathy 1:59:51.960 --> 1:59:55.400 Griffin when she comes on the episode PC and is 1:59:55.440 --> 1:59:58.640 immediately obsessed with you, like because you're so beautiful. She 1:59:58.840 --> 2:00:02.960 just like is jaw on the floor? Like did you 2:00:03.040 --> 2:00:05.720 like working with comedians? And like how was working with her? 2:00:06.600 --> 2:00:08.800 I was so intimidated by her because you know, she's 2:00:08.880 --> 2:00:11.160 so bright and she's so sharp, but she's so funny, 2:00:11.160 --> 2:00:16.480 and I was nervous, you know, some dope. She could 2:00:16.520 --> 2:00:19.000 not have been nicer, could not have been nicer. It's funny, 2:00:19.080 --> 2:00:23.560 you know, awesome. The people who play irredeemable assholes are 2:00:24.120 --> 2:00:26.240 actually I think the most pleasant people in real life 2:00:26.280 --> 2:00:29.160 to work with. She's incredible. I don't know that's the 2:00:29.160 --> 2:00:32.720 episode recently. Oh, John Glazer's episode aired recently. John is 2:00:32.760 --> 2:00:34.200 a friend. I've worked with him in the past and 2:00:34.240 --> 2:00:38.280 he's like, my specialty is flineball. But he's the nicest guy. 2:00:38.560 --> 2:00:41.680 He's so good. So you know, anytime somebody comes on 2:00:41.720 --> 2:00:44.160 the little snark, it's probably gonna be a fun day. 2:00:44.560 --> 2:00:47.080 Yeah. Well that we have not asked anyone. 2:00:47.120 --> 2:00:49.120 We've talked to a few cast members and I can't 2:00:49.120 --> 2:00:52.160 believe we haven't. But any insight you can tell us 2:00:52.160 --> 2:00:55.839 on the Christmas party is what are the SVW holiday parties? 2:00:55.920 --> 2:01:02.360 Like? Oh, fascinating, really you hearing about the wrap party 2:01:02.400 --> 2:01:03.320 and the Christmas. 2:01:03.000 --> 2:01:05.160 First either, I mean Christmas. 2:01:05.280 --> 2:01:08.440 We're into the holiday party vibe, but the wrap parties too. 2:01:08.560 --> 2:01:11.120 Sure tell us anything? Yeah, you know. 2:01:11.080 --> 2:01:13.080 What ended up happening with all of this stuff is 2:01:13.120 --> 2:01:14.840 that you would just be so tired at the end 2:01:14.840 --> 2:01:17.800 of the season. You're like, please, my Christmas present to 2:01:17.840 --> 2:01:21.200 me is my day off? Like it's like, if you 2:01:21.240 --> 2:01:23.320 really want to give me a Christmas present, give me 2:01:23.360 --> 2:01:25.520 a jacket that doesn't have the logo of the show 2:01:25.560 --> 2:01:27.640 on us as if I can either wear it without 2:01:27.640 --> 2:01:30.080 being recognized, or we gets it to somebody who will 2:01:30.160 --> 2:01:33.680 enjoy it. Mostly, I'm always trying to get non logo apparel. 2:01:33.800 --> 2:01:34.640 Yeah, you know what I mean. 2:01:35.480 --> 2:01:37.840 I don't want to wear a big SPU sweatshirt. 2:01:37.480 --> 2:01:40.040 So I will wear them for you. Oh, I do 2:01:40.160 --> 2:01:42.360 have an extensive SVU merch. 2:01:42.960 --> 2:01:45.840 That's what I think. They're meaningful gifts. Yeah, don't. I 2:01:45.840 --> 2:01:47.760 don't want the merch. I think that's like wearing a target. 2:01:48.040 --> 2:01:49.600 I can't believe we didn't ask you. 2:01:49.800 --> 2:01:53.480 What has been some of your craziest fan interactions When 2:01:53.480 --> 2:01:55.200 you're recognized on the street. 2:01:55.440 --> 2:01:58.360 You know, mostly people are really really nice. I think 2:01:58.400 --> 2:02:01.040 this show strikes a chord and people that's quite personal 2:02:01.080 --> 2:02:04.480 and they're just so enthusiastic. But I will tell you, 2:02:04.480 --> 2:02:06.640 you know, it used to be, oh my gosh, I 2:02:06.680 --> 2:02:08.560 love your show. I watch it all the time. It's 2:02:08.560 --> 2:02:10.960 so much fun and that, and you know, in the 2:02:11.000 --> 2:02:13.520 last five years it's oh my gosh, my mom loves 2:02:13.560 --> 2:02:18.680 your show. It's her favorite show. And I think that's cool. Uh, 2:02:18.760 --> 2:02:22.600 do you watch it? But people aren't really sweet. People 2:02:22.640 --> 2:02:24.400 are great. The only time I ever anything got weird 2:02:24.440 --> 2:02:27.200 was that I was walking in Times Square once. It 2:02:27.200 --> 2:02:29.280 is almost entirely dependent on whether or not I wear 2:02:29.320 --> 2:02:31.240 my glasses, because I wear glasses in real life. And 2:02:31.280 --> 2:02:34.080 the reason Alex Cabot wears glasses is because that was 2:02:34.120 --> 2:02:37.280 my first on camera job and I didn't think that 2:02:37.320 --> 2:02:39.440 I would be able to see my marks and my life. 2:02:39.560 --> 2:02:43.080 I hadn't worked in television before, and so I said, 2:02:43.160 --> 2:02:45.480 I think she wears glasses because I couldn't see a 2:02:45.520 --> 2:02:49.040 freaking thing. And then it just became kind of a 2:02:49.080 --> 2:02:51.240 hallmark for the character, which is great. But now whenever 2:02:51.280 --> 2:02:54.680 I wear my glasses, I got to be prepared for 2:02:54.680 --> 2:02:56.880 for And now everybody has a phone right with a camera, 2:02:57.040 --> 2:02:59.520 so I've got there's some really crappy pictures of me 2:02:59.520 --> 2:03:01.200 out there like us so. 2:03:03.600 --> 2:03:03.880 Well. 2:03:04.000 --> 2:03:06.600 Speaking of fans of the show, how did you feel 2:03:06.640 --> 2:03:10.760 about Mickey Rourke when he discovered SVU about twenty years 2:03:10.840 --> 2:03:13.720 later and had a passionate declaration of love on Instagram 2:03:13.760 --> 2:03:14.320 for the show. 2:03:15.560 --> 2:03:19.680 I so, I've been kind of keeping myself off social media, 2:03:19.800 --> 2:03:22.280 especially since in the last year, because which made me 2:03:22.440 --> 2:03:25.520 a little like not so. But a friend of mine 2:03:25.520 --> 2:03:28.720 alerted me to what was going on, and I mean 2:03:28.760 --> 2:03:31.240 I pretty much called everybody I knew and I was like, oh, 2:03:31.280 --> 2:03:34.200 I'm on friends of thinking work. That's basically what I said. 2:03:34.360 --> 2:03:36.960 I haven't met him, which I will, will I hang out? 2:03:37.120 --> 2:03:39.360 Yeah, and you know, we. 2:03:39.400 --> 2:03:41.240 Instagram from each other. Hand today. 2:03:43.280 --> 2:03:43.720 I died. 2:03:44.280 --> 2:03:46.680 It was probably one of the greatest compliments I've ever 2:03:46.760 --> 2:03:47.800 seen in my life. 2:03:47.880 --> 2:03:50.400 So funny, it was so sincere and like, hey, have 2:03:50.440 --> 2:03:52.800 you guys seen the show SVU that's been running for 2:03:52.880 --> 2:03:56.120 twenty two seasons at that point, like it made. 2:03:56.080 --> 2:03:59.800 My day and not I'm a huge fan. I prefaced 2:03:59.800 --> 2:04:01.400 this saying I'm a huge fan. But he was like, 2:04:01.480 --> 2:04:05.200 Marvel what SVU is out there? But wow, that is 2:04:06.000 --> 2:04:06.920 that is high praise. 2:04:07.240 --> 2:04:11.640 Oh my god, you tell us about Naomi. We saw 2:04:11.920 --> 2:04:15.400 amazing leather fun outfits. And we've talked to your co 2:04:15.560 --> 2:04:17.800 star Mausam Macar on the show. 2:04:19.080 --> 2:04:21.080 Oh of course you talked to Malam. 2:04:21.320 --> 2:04:24.400 Yeah, yeah, she told us a little bit about the show. 2:04:24.400 --> 2:04:25.440 But what is your role? 2:04:25.800 --> 2:04:28.640 Oh, I'm an intergalactic badass all La. And I say 2:04:28.640 --> 2:04:30.919 this because this is exactly how the character was described 2:04:30.960 --> 2:04:34.240 to me when I was parditioning. She is an intergalactic 2:04:34.280 --> 2:04:37.600 badass a lah Ripley, And I thought, do I want 2:04:37.640 --> 2:04:41.440 to be an intergoactic badass? The superpowers were able to Baroney. 2:04:41.520 --> 2:04:44.000 The answer is a very quick yes, I do. So 2:04:44.120 --> 2:04:45.240 that has been really fun. 2:04:46.000 --> 2:04:49.280 And would you come back to sview? 2:04:49.720 --> 2:04:49.880 Yeah? 2:04:50.000 --> 2:04:52.800 That was my next question. Yeah, we want more. 2:04:52.920 --> 2:04:57.600 You're now like helping people escape terrible situations. 2:04:57.640 --> 2:04:59.959 And are we going to see more of Alex's cabot. 2:05:00.400 --> 2:05:04.120 Here's what I say about squ SVU is the boyfriend 2:05:04.160 --> 2:05:08.480 you can never quit running into. Squ is pretty much 2:05:08.480 --> 2:05:11.160 always a yes. So never say. 2:05:10.960 --> 2:05:12.640 Never before we no. 2:05:12.880 --> 2:05:14.520 I mean we're gonna let you go because we've already 2:05:14.520 --> 2:05:16.040 taken up a lot of your time, but like just 2:05:16.080 --> 2:05:19.480 before you like any last minute super funny, like your 2:05:19.480 --> 2:05:22.560 go to funny story that you like to tell SVU 2:05:22.640 --> 2:05:25.920 fans or anyone that you meet, like of memories. 2:05:25.600 --> 2:05:27.360 Or something funny that happened on the set. 2:05:27.600 --> 2:05:28.920 I wish I could help you out here, and I 2:05:28.960 --> 2:05:30.880 would love to privately, but then the culture in which 2:05:30.880 --> 2:05:32.840 we live in right now, no freaking ways want to 2:05:32.840 --> 2:05:36.720 share that with you. Only Gatlow's humor we'll get you 2:05:36.720 --> 2:05:39.240 through those days. And I shan't be recorded saying it. 2:05:43.400 --> 2:05:46.840 How excited we're all of you for that interview? How 2:05:46.880 --> 2:05:49.240 about that about she was. 2:05:49.360 --> 2:05:53.280 Spilling some tea, we were getting some info. 2:05:53.320 --> 2:05:58.920 And we got, you know, a kissing situation, and yeah, 2:05:59.360 --> 2:06:00.080 she's so cool. 2:06:00.080 --> 2:06:03.640 Though I would like, I'm like, it's like her, Laura Bananti. 2:06:03.720 --> 2:06:06.080 It's like you're not allowed to be like smart, funny, 2:06:06.120 --> 2:06:08.320 hot and cool too, Like I need you to be 2:06:08.480 --> 2:06:10.520 like a jerk er, not interesting, you know. 2:06:10.720 --> 2:06:11.560 But allow. 2:06:11.720 --> 2:06:14.760 I see some people are allowed to all these gifts. 2:06:15.320 --> 2:06:17.680 How sad would it be if Stephanie March sucked? That 2:06:17.720 --> 2:06:20.600 would be devastating to all of us? Of course that 2:06:20.600 --> 2:06:23.160 would have been what would we have done? Will be like, okay, 2:06:23.280 --> 2:06:23.960 roll the tape. 2:06:24.000 --> 2:06:27.840 No, she was amazing, And I don't know if there's 2:06:27.880 --> 2:06:30.560 a ton of takeaway from this episode for our practical 2:06:30.600 --> 2:06:33.040 lives because neither of us are involved in you know, 2:06:34.000 --> 2:06:39.600 transnational drug trade. But I would say, yeah, if the 2:06:39.600 --> 2:06:42.880 Columbian cartels are coming at you, maybe back back off. 2:06:42.920 --> 2:06:46.760 I don't know personally from what I've seen, I wouldn't. 2:06:46.360 --> 2:06:49.000 Be Oh no, I would be the I would be 2:06:49.080 --> 2:06:52.040 the front of house guy at the restaurant. 2:06:52.280 --> 2:06:52.960 Yeah, I would go. 2:06:53.080 --> 2:06:56.320 I don't know that, man. Yeah, no, idea, absolutely not. 2:06:56.520 --> 2:06:58.400 Piece of them put me in jail, bitch. I don't 2:06:58.440 --> 2:07:00.920 give a fuck, are you kidding? Like, yeah, I don't. 2:07:00.960 --> 2:07:03.560 But that's why we're not working in the justice system. 2:07:03.720 --> 2:07:06.280 Because I also probably would not drop my life to 2:07:06.320 --> 2:07:08.280 go to the Congo and fight for women's rights. I mean, 2:07:08.280 --> 2:07:10.080 I'm no Alex Cabot, that's for sure. 2:07:10.360 --> 2:07:12.120 Yeah, but I don't get all of them always. I 2:07:12.160 --> 2:07:13.680 don't need protective I don't want that. 2:07:13.720 --> 2:07:14.000 I don't. 2:07:14.040 --> 2:07:17.040 It's why just take it. I know, live is always 2:07:17.080 --> 2:07:19.160 like I'm fine. It's like there's a serial killer who's 2:07:19.160 --> 2:07:23.360 actually like using your name in the clues, like and 2:07:23.600 --> 2:07:24.200 I can do it. 2:07:24.200 --> 2:07:24.960 I can handle it. 2:07:24.960 --> 2:07:30.000 It's like crazy, but yeah, an amazing episode, Like and 2:07:30.080 --> 2:07:33.640 I was, you know, happy to learn about Pablo Escobar because, 2:07:33.640 --> 2:07:35.360 like I said, I never watched an Arco's I didn't 2:07:35.400 --> 2:07:35.720 really know. 2:07:35.800 --> 2:07:39.000 I just knew the sort of general scariness. 2:07:39.080 --> 2:07:41.360 But well, yeah, and the flight thing is true, like 2:07:41.400 --> 2:07:43.760 they will kill, they don't are, they don't care. 2:07:44.560 --> 2:07:47.880 These are just like business people. 2:07:48.160 --> 2:07:51.400 Yeah, and I really wonder how things would operate if 2:07:51.640 --> 2:07:54.720 drugs were legalized, you know, and these people just were 2:07:54.760 --> 2:07:56.200 running legitimate businesses. 2:07:56.440 --> 2:07:58.000 You know, they know how to do it, they know 2:07:58.000 --> 2:07:58.919 how to move the product. 2:08:00.120 --> 2:08:02.320 Yeah, do they want to pay tax? I can't even 2:08:02.560 --> 2:08:05.640 I'll get into all of that. But it is one 2:08:05.640 --> 2:08:08.320 of my favorite episodes. I feel the acting is so 2:08:09.040 --> 2:08:13.880 like top notch in this episode with Dave Thorton and Petrovsky, 2:08:14.200 --> 2:08:19.040 and just like Zapota, the anger, the boats, like I 2:08:19.280 --> 2:08:21.320 just like, I think this is one of my top 2:08:21.360 --> 2:08:23.240 twenty episodes. I really enjoy it. 2:08:23.560 --> 2:08:26.320 Yeah, no, it is a It is definitely a good one. 2:08:26.400 --> 2:08:27.440 It has everything. 2:08:27.520 --> 2:08:32.600 It has like bureaued conflict and chases and lies and 2:08:32.640 --> 2:08:34.640 secrets and cliffhangers and. 2:08:34.920 --> 2:08:36.440 Like twists for days. 2:08:36.520 --> 2:08:39.360 I mean, like the twist at the end is I 2:08:39.400 --> 2:08:41.560 remember watching it for the first time and being like 2:08:42.040 --> 2:08:42.880 jaw on the floor. 2:08:44.560 --> 2:08:47.720 But I liked it. We had a great time. 2:08:48.480 --> 2:08:50.720 So let's segue right into what would Sister Peg do, 2:08:50.760 --> 2:08:52.840 our weekly segment where we give you guys an organization, 2:08:52.960 --> 2:08:56.200 an article, a book, a documentary, something to help flush 2:08:56.280 --> 2:09:00.000 out more of what we talked about in today's episode. 2:09:00.200 --> 2:09:03.400 And we'd like to highlight this week the organization the 2:09:03.560 --> 2:09:07.760 Washington Office of Latin America, which is WOLA. WOLA dot 2:09:07.880 --> 2:09:11.640 org is the website, and they are the leading research 2:09:11.640 --> 2:09:14.840 and advocacy organization that advances human rights in the Americas 2:09:14.880 --> 2:09:17.520 and they partner with people throughout the Americas to identify 2:09:17.640 --> 2:09:21.600 urgent human rights issues and proposed research based policy changes. 2:09:22.040 --> 2:09:25.720 They specifically have a program on changing drug policy, which 2:09:25.760 --> 2:09:29.600 is in direct relation to today's app. And I'll just 2:09:29.680 --> 2:09:31.400 quote from their website, so you guys don't think that 2:09:31.440 --> 2:09:35.320 I'm just extemporaneously giving a blurb. WOLA believes that the 2:09:35.440 --> 2:09:38.240 US led quote War on drugs has failed to suppress 2:09:38.280 --> 2:09:41.200 the production, trafficking, or consumption of legal drugs while enriching 2:09:41.240 --> 2:09:44.480 and empowering criminal enterprises. The enforcement of harsh drug laws 2:09:44.520 --> 2:09:47.480 has led to human rights abuses, overcrowded prisons, and threats 2:09:47.520 --> 2:09:49.000 to democratic institutions. 2:09:49.360 --> 2:09:50.800 And I think we can all agree. 2:09:50.840 --> 2:09:53.720 Yeah, the war on drugs has been was lost a 2:09:53.720 --> 2:09:56.800 long time ago, and WOLA advocates for reducing the harms 2:09:56.800 --> 2:10:00.040 caused by the drug trade and drug policies themselves. So 2:10:00.480 --> 2:10:03.480 a great organization. You can learn more or donate at 2:10:03.800 --> 2:10:08.400 wolawola dot org. That's WOLA dot org. 2:10:09.240 --> 2:10:14.040 Thank you for that, And next week we keep on 2:10:14.240 --> 2:10:19.360 rolling on old school ep stolen Season three, Episode three, 2:10:20.040 --> 2:10:24.600 pretty fun one. So I'm very excited that you listen 2:10:24.680 --> 2:10:27.160 to us. 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