1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:06,240 Speaker 1: And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:09,239 Speaker 1: What's up everybody? Welcome to Move the Sticks presented by 3 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:12,479 Speaker 1: Castro Edge DJ. Bucky Back with you, Buck. Did you 4 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:15,120 Speaker 1: get a chance to to watch National Championship game last night? Yeah, 5 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 1: it was a lot of fun and it was a 6 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:19,440 Speaker 1: lot of fun to check out. UM. I think, you know, obviously, 7 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:21,960 Speaker 1: when you look at what Alabama has done and you 8 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:24,520 Speaker 1: marvel at their success and success and Nick Saban and 9 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 1: what he's created down there, But then also they're a 10 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 1: bunch of really good players, And I think what is 11 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:30,480 Speaker 1: funny is that you can see two teams with really 12 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 1: good players and one looks like they're so superior to 13 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:35,880 Speaker 1: the other when you put them on the field together. 14 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 1: It was a mark would watch hass off to Alabama 15 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:40,920 Speaker 1: terrific run. And what I would say is probably the 16 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 1: most challenging season that we've seen in college football in 17 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 1: a long time due to the pandemic. Yeah, we're gonna 18 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:48,239 Speaker 1: get some of these NFL topics. UM as well, what 19 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:50,839 Speaker 1: happened with Philadelphia with Doug Peterson? Moving on? Where does 20 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 1: he make sense? What makes sense for the Eagles going forward? UM? 21 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 1: Touch on some other NFL topics, But I do think 22 00:00:56,920 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 1: we should stay here on this college championship game here 23 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 1: for a moment, because so many different things to talk 24 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:04,039 Speaker 1: about it. You mentioned the difference between the two teams. 25 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:06,960 Speaker 1: I tweeted it out it looked like Alabama was playing 26 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 1: seven on seven against scout team. I mean it looked 27 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 1: like it looks looked like a Thursday practice seven on seven. 28 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 1: Sit back there and just pick him apart. Yeah, And 29 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:18,760 Speaker 1: and I just felt like, for so long with Ohio State, 30 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 1: we're so used to them having a special dude or 31 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:24,480 Speaker 1: multiple special dudes up front. They didn't have that. And 32 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 1: you cannot beat Alabama if you don't have any any 33 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 1: dogs up front in the trenches. And because Mac Jones 34 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:33,559 Speaker 1: was able to really throw from a grassy know without 35 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 1: any kind of pressure to rest, it was a game 36 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 1: of seven on seven. I will also say this, Steve 37 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 1: Sarkisian gout Texas fans really excited. And the problem is 38 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 1: he won't get to bring with him. But the creativity 39 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 1: that he displayed, the away that he attacked that Ohio 40 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 1: State defense, I think what we have seen is Steve 41 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 1: Sarkisian has grown, in my mind a lot as a 42 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 1: play caller from the time he was at SC and 43 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 1: the time that he had the opportunity to run the 44 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 1: offense in Atlanta. I think he is really going up 45 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:08,360 Speaker 1: a notch in terms of his creativity and his aggressiveness. 46 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 1: Of course, you can do that when you have all 47 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 1: the weapons, I mean, like his easy to be building 48 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 1: when you get all the get the gun and all 49 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 1: the bullets. But he did on a good job. I 50 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 1: want to revisit a topic that we had talked about 51 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:22,080 Speaker 1: earlier on the season, and we mentioned kind of this 52 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:24,679 Speaker 1: as an outlier because we we talked about the need 53 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 1: to be more athletic at the quarterback position, because offensive 54 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 1: line player in the NFL is not great in terms 55 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 1: of what the college game has given you. So as 56 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 1: a young quarterback who's not gonna have all the answers 57 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 1: to the tests. In other words, you're not gonna be 58 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 1: Drew Brees or Tom Brady and have all the knowledge 59 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 1: to know where all your answers are. Um that the 60 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:44,920 Speaker 1: ability to kind of get away and escape versus a 61 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:47,360 Speaker 1: free rusher not asking for a rush for eight yards. 62 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 1: But she's gotta be mobile enough to be able to 63 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 1: be sudden enough to get away from those guys was 64 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 1: a necessity in the NFL. Now we look at this 65 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 1: game and Matt Jones is not a statue he Mac 66 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 1: Jones can move a little bit like he's not somebody 67 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 1: that's completely statuesque, but he's not the most athletic guy 68 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:04,359 Speaker 1: in the world. Buck. And you watch him on that stage, 69 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:06,240 Speaker 1: and you mentioned he's got a great play caller, he's 70 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 1: got a great offensive line, and and all these stud receivers. 71 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 1: But he was pretty efficient, man, and at least uh, 72 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 1: you know, I'm gonna really look forward to digging in 73 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 1: on his tape. I haven't done it yet, but it 74 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 1: causes you to think, Okay, you can make some exceptions 75 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 1: here for guys that maybe aren't the most athletic if 76 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 1: you can process and deliver the ball as accurately as 77 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 1: he did last night. Yeah, the way he played, I 78 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 1: think it's certainly changed. You can't have people put him 79 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 1: in that conversation as a mid first round player. What 80 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:35,839 Speaker 1: does he stack up. I've seen some guys say he's 81 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 1: the he's the fifth quarterback, or maybe some will put 82 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 1: him ahead of trade lance for whatever reason. I think 83 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 1: here's the thing, and I think it's tough, and I 84 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 1: think as we continue to evolve when it comes to 85 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 1: evaluating quarterbacks is sometimes as much as we can, we 86 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 1: have to take away to things that are around him 87 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 1: and really look at the player itself. Because when mac 88 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 1: Jonales goes to the National Football League, he won't necessarily 89 00:03:57,720 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 1: have the fortress in front of him. He may not 90 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:01,839 Speaker 1: have all the path sketchers or whatever. And we could 91 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 1: say the same thing to U didn't have that, and 92 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 1: we saw two at Miami, and too, it looks different 93 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 1: in Miami than the version that we saw at Alabama, 94 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 1: whereas Justin Herbert didn't have all those things, played with lesson, 95 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 1: you know, like he played a little better when we 96 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 1: surrounded about stuff. I think it's gonna be important to 97 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 1: be able to separate mac Jones from scheme, play caller 98 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 1: and the playmakers around him. But I will say his 99 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 1: ability to process, his ability to make the ball um 100 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 1: get out and throw with touch time and get anticipation 101 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:36,159 Speaker 1: is impressive. I just don't know now, dj In and 102 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 1: this time, when was the last time that we've seen 103 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:44,159 Speaker 1: a quarterback that is like that, drafted high and played 104 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 1: really really well. We talked about That's what we talked 105 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 1: about the bus. If you look at the guys who 106 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:52,679 Speaker 1: haven't worked out. If you're talking about Rosen and Haskins, Yeah, 107 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:55,719 Speaker 1: that was over to the knock on those guys. Yeah, 108 00:04:55,800 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 1: and and and so different different people, but different people. 109 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 1: But when we look just the way the game is trending, 110 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 1: who who's the who's the young player? That is like that, 111 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 1: Like I guess maybe we could throw Jared Golf in 112 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 1: that conversation somewhat, But then we hear the conversation negatively 113 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 1: on Jerry Golf and how Sean has to do so 114 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:21,279 Speaker 1: much and how they were excited about John Wolfer because 115 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:24,479 Speaker 1: it enabled them to do more stuff, and so how 116 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 1: many offensive coordinators are signing up south quarterback. Yeah, you know, 117 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 1: and so it just makes it, It just makes it. 118 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:36,039 Speaker 1: It's just it's like there's a road for him, but 119 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 1: I think his path is neverwer than the path for 120 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 1: some other guys when it comes to playing quarterback. And again, 121 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 1: I'm really looking forward to diving into the tape because 122 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 1: you know, Baker is not a great athlete. He's an 123 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 1: okay athlete, but he can move around a little bit. 124 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:53,920 Speaker 1: They can get throws well on the move and those things. Um, 125 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 1: but that might be something I'm thinking of Kirk Cousins, 126 00:05:56,640 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 1: I'm thinking of Baker Mayfield like those was think that's 127 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 1: the common denominator system. The system that they're playing in. 128 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 1: It matters, Yeah, the system that they're playing in. Both 129 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 1: of them are playing in similar systems that Shanahan's system, 130 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 1: the stretch bootleg system where they create a lot of 131 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:14,359 Speaker 1: easy opportunities for the quarterback. You just have to be 132 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:16,719 Speaker 1: mobile enough to get to the tackle box, to the 133 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 1: edge of the tackle box in terms of the bootleg. 134 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:20,280 Speaker 1: If you can do that, you can play in that 135 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 1: system and with all the play action and all the 136 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 1: other stuff. They make it easy, but without a level 137 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 1: athleticism will really be level athleticism. It does make it 138 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 1: more challenging for the play call it because you have 139 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:35,280 Speaker 1: to be you have to be very accurate with your 140 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:38,279 Speaker 1: play calls. He doesn't have the ability to erase some 141 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:40,840 Speaker 1: of your mixtace unless when we get in the meeting 142 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 1: room he can erase it with his mind because he's 143 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:45,479 Speaker 1: so good at processing and making checks and winning the 144 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 1: pre snap face. So a couple of teams that I 145 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:50,719 Speaker 1: actually was just thinking about with him, and again we'll 146 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 1: we'll do the full work up time to do. That's 147 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:55,359 Speaker 1: a long process. Before we get to the draft. We 148 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:57,240 Speaker 1: can flesh all this out. But just top of head, 149 00:06:57,320 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 1: top of my head looking at this draft order here, 150 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:03,160 Speaker 1: which we know now through picks four. By the way, 151 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 1: good weekend for the Jets as they end up with 152 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 1: the twenty third pick. Now for the Street. But when 153 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 1: you look at two teams Indianapolis and Pittsburgh, where do 154 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 1: those things have? They have good infrastructure, Um, Pittsburgh is 155 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 1: always gonna have receivers to use a free agent. But 156 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 1: with Chase Claypool all the other weapons that they have, 157 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 1: and so I think he could. I think that fits 158 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 1: his skill set there um. And then an end, he's 159 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 1: gonna be protected good offensive line. Um. And you know 160 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 1: I know that they you know, they have another quarterback 161 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 1: there for recent so they've got another young quarterback with 162 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 1: totally different skill set. He's got a howitzer, huge arm. 163 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 1: But I think mac Jones just in terms of the 164 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 1: accuracy to he plays plays a position better. He plays 165 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 1: it more similarly to Philip, you know, to the way 166 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 1: Phillips played it there um. But those are those are 167 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 1: teams and that's why when we look at a guy 168 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 1: like that, who's used to playing with great players. He's 169 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 1: had a talent advantage on his side. He might get 170 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 1: the benefit of going on the bottom of the first round, 171 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 1: going to a better team. Yeah, and and and I 172 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 1: think that that certainly plays a role in the success 173 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 1: of the quarterback. I mean, sometimes you go later, you 174 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 1: you get picked up by a better team, you have 175 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 1: better not only better coaching, but you have a better 176 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 1: support system around you. And so the past catches that 177 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 1: you have, the running game, of the offensive line, all 178 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 1: of those things impact how you perform at the position. 179 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 1: And so for mac Jonales and I think we have 180 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 1: to throw Kyle Trash also into that conversation in terms 181 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 1: of the affilative limitations. Yeah, like you have to kind 182 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 1: of put them in in the same category in terms 183 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 1: of stylistically how they play, and the teams that will 184 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:43,680 Speaker 1: look for those quarterbacks and teams that can succeed with 185 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 1: those quarterbacks. They're not as many, but there's still some 186 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 1: guys who still prefer to have a guy that can 187 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:51,599 Speaker 1: can do it. Tampa Bay is one of those teams 188 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:54,840 Speaker 1: that still can win with those kinds of guys because 189 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 1: they're built like that and because Byron Left wish to 190 00:08:56,920 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 1: play caller and Bruce arians are very comfortable with that 191 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:03,720 Speaker 1: style the quarterback. Um. What were some of the other takeaways, Buck, 192 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:05,680 Speaker 1: I mean, I we talked about the positive there with 193 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 1: Mac Jones, the way he played, how he helped himself 194 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:10,440 Speaker 1: switch it over to justin fields. What just need from 195 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:14,320 Speaker 1: him last night? I mean, look, I think the game 196 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 1: that he had in the semifinal game, I think that 197 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 1: would be the pinnacle. I think the people that really 198 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:21,200 Speaker 1: like him and endorse everything that he brings to the 199 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 1: table they were pointing to the Clemson game. I think 200 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 1: the Alabama game showed what I kind of expected to 201 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:30,959 Speaker 1: see because the complexity a little bit of what Alabama 202 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 1: does in terms of the pre snap post snap stuff. 203 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 1: I think when going down, let me cut you off. 204 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:37,320 Speaker 1: I want to cut you off here because I want 205 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 1: to do us an exercise just because we've done this 206 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 1: in the room. Right, So we're getting ready to talk 207 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:45,680 Speaker 1: about justin fields. Let's focus what can he do? Okay, 208 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:47,360 Speaker 1: let's just go you know, when you're when you're in 209 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 1: the draft room and then start having these discussions saying, no, 210 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 1: I know I know what the limited don't hear about 211 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 1: the limitations? What can he do? So after we've seen 212 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 1: Justin Fields in these two games, tell me what can 213 00:09:57,040 --> 00:09:59,560 Speaker 1: Justin Fields do. The first thing that comes to mind 214 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 1: is he's to because he played played with the injury, 215 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:05,559 Speaker 1: his toughness, he got hit, He's hung in there. Uh 216 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 1: the game got away from them, and I didn't see 217 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 1: him fold up to tend and absolutely just let go 218 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 1: of the rope um. I think he has a big 219 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 1: time arm talent. I think his arm talent to be 220 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:16,960 Speaker 1: able to push the ball down the field even though 221 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 1: he's late, he can make up for it. But his 222 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:21,320 Speaker 1: ability to put pace in velocity on the ball things 223 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:24,679 Speaker 1: an outstanding athlete. And I think his athleticism was limited 224 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 1: by the fact that he was dealing with an injury. 225 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:29,320 Speaker 1: But when he did scoot out, you can see how 226 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 1: as a runner he can create conflict for the defense 227 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 1: when he gets out in space. And I think the 228 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:38,720 Speaker 1: final thing is I think what he can be is 229 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:41,680 Speaker 1: I think you can see the developmental potential based on 230 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 1: the fact that he was twenty and two, he has 231 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:47,840 Speaker 1: twenty two collegiate starts, and I think you can imagine 232 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:50,560 Speaker 1: the possibilities. But I think it may take time, and 233 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 1: I think system is going to be very very important 234 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 1: in terms of what you put him in. Yeah, that's 235 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 1: good man. I Tough, talented are the two big ones 236 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 1: I put down. I would put you know, even just 237 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:03,560 Speaker 1: watching some of the pregame stuff, like you could see 238 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:05,560 Speaker 1: those guys rally around him. He's got a little bit 239 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:08,839 Speaker 1: of that galvanizing effect. So I would put leadership down there. 240 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 1: We'll we'll talk to coaches ageit more on that, but 241 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 1: that seems to be a strength for him. Um. The athleticism, 242 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 1: to me, what you can do with that is endless. 243 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:19,840 Speaker 1: We saw him. Look, he's he was hurt, he was injured, 244 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:21,679 Speaker 1: playing through that. He still was I think, what do 245 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:24,320 Speaker 1: you have sixty seven Yeah, six carries for sixty seven 246 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:28,960 Speaker 1: yards against that group and he not They said the previum, 247 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:35,079 Speaker 1: there's no So I've got that. I've got that athleticisn't 248 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 1: to work with. I've got the competitiveness of toughness. We 249 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 1: talked about the ability to make every throw and the 250 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 1: thing that I talked about what he can do, he's 251 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 1: going to get better. It's like, to me, where his 252 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:49,839 Speaker 1: ceiling is. He's nowhere near where he can get Um. Now, 253 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 1: there's times where you see him get locked on and 254 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:54,840 Speaker 1: there's a couple of throws in that game, Um, you 255 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 1: know where we say, okay, you need to take a 256 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 1: little bit off. But I think all that stuff in 257 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 1: front of him, So I'm actually just even I'm saying 258 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:02,959 Speaker 1: something's kind of negative to me, it's a positive because 259 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 1: he hadn't played a lot and I feel like he's 260 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:08,280 Speaker 1: got more ahead of him. So some of these guys 261 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 1: like Mac Jones, we just talked about him. He's a 262 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 1: good he's good, but he is kind of where he is, 263 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 1: Like that's where there's there's a lot more meat left 264 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:19,960 Speaker 1: on that bone. Yeah, And I and I think it 265 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 1: comes down to I mean we've seen it and I'm 266 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:26,200 Speaker 1: telling you now, like with the quarterback evaluation, I think 267 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 1: you have to really be very imaginative in terms of 268 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 1: looking at the prospect in the ceiling because Josh Allen, 269 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 1: Josh Allen, where Josh Allen was as a college prospect 270 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:39,680 Speaker 1: to where Josh Allen is as a player over a 271 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:43,840 Speaker 1: three year period, he got better. And so coaching system 272 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 1: and supporting cast matters. And I think for Justin Fields, 273 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 1: if he decides to come out, I think those things 274 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 1: really really matter. And you know it, it just defans man, 275 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:57,079 Speaker 1: because you hear all these things, and I think it'd 276 00:12:57,120 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 1: be interesting because you know what I wish, and I 277 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 1: know we don't have the luxury of doing I would 278 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 1: love to have seen Zack Wilson playing those kinds of games. 279 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:09,440 Speaker 1: I would love to see him play in a semifinal game, 280 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 1: a championship game where he's playing against another team that's 281 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 1: talented that really pushes him to have to kind of 282 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 1: put more on him. We don't get that, and and 283 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:22,440 Speaker 1: that's fine, but I do wonder what that that would 284 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 1: have looked like. Yeah, I mean, look, if you want 285 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 1: to have that conversation, you can say Zack Wilson's kind 286 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 1: of premier game and and center stage moment was against 287 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:35,960 Speaker 1: Coastal Carolina. And I'm a Zach Wilson. I'm a Zach 288 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 1: Wilson guy. Like I love Zach Wilson, the way he 289 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 1: plays and coming through this process where we are up 290 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 1: until these games, I've had him over justin Fields. I 291 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:44,720 Speaker 1: haven't got a chance to watch the tape yet of 292 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:46,839 Speaker 1: these two semifinal games, so that's gonna be a big 293 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:49,560 Speaker 1: part of the evaluation. But that's a this that look 294 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:52,079 Speaker 1: again on the pot. I love it when we kind 295 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 1: of take people behind the curtain because this is a 296 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 1: this is a conversation I guarantee you. Now it might 297 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 1: be in Zoom, I guess because they're not gonna have 298 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 1: traditional draft meetings, but this is a heated conversation in 299 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:04,559 Speaker 1: draft rooms. Between You've got the one scout who was 300 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 1: on who maybe did the West Coast and is standing 301 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:09,680 Speaker 1: on the table for Zack Wilson. You've got the Midwest 302 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 1: scout who's standing on the table for justin Fields. And 303 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 1: and the two arguments are, Zack Wilson's ahead of him 304 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:17,440 Speaker 1: right now when you look at where he is in 305 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 1: terms of his polish, his ability to make all these throws, 306 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 1: and played better. He just simply played better than just 307 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 1: the field. So that's that's what you're saying. And then 308 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 1: the other guy for the Midwest and saying, yeah, that's great, 309 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 1: you played on some teel turf against Coastal Carolina. This 310 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 1: guy is playing against Nick Saban and Clemson in a 311 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 1: semifinal game at a national championship game. One of those games, 312 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 1: he tore him apart. The other game, he was out there, hobbled, 313 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:43,000 Speaker 1: ninjured and was competitive. You know, he didn't look out 314 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 1: of place at all in that field. Um, so that's 315 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 1: that's the debate that's taken place. Yeah, I think it 316 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 1: will be an interesting debate. And and I think really 317 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 1: this comes down to styles and prefaces and and what 318 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 1: do you want. I will say this, Zach Wilson is 319 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 1: a quicker process. I think he's more of a natural 320 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 1: pocket passer than Justin Fields. I think Justin Fields is 321 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 1: a more talented athlete and player, playmaker. And so what 322 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 1: do you want at the position? What? And I think 323 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 1: is important that the scouts scout the coaches because you 324 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 1: have to know what you're offensive coordinator, his capacity to 325 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 1: bring things out of quarterbacks, and what he can do 326 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 1: in the creative part of it, because I think that's 327 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 1: what it comes down to. You want to hear a 328 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 1: random analogy here, just look at just thinking about these 329 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 1: two guys, right, so we're trying to get the image 330 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 1: to me. You've got one quarterback in Zach Wilson that 331 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 1: would win in horse right, every type of throw you 332 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 1: would try and make if you're playing horse in the 333 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 1: backyard basketball. For those who don't know, uh, you know, 334 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 1: you just make I gotta make a shot. If I 335 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 1: make a shot, you've got to make the same shot. 336 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 1: Make a shot shot, you gotta match it. He can 337 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 1: make every type of thrill from any platform in any direction, 338 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 1: any trajectory and thing. So he's kind of like he 339 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 1: he would win a horse. And then when I think 340 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 1: of Justin Fields, I think he has more horsepower. Yeah, 341 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 1: you know, like that's what it is. He just got more. 342 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 1: There's just more in him in terms of being able 343 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 1: to They both have big arms, but I think Justin 344 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 1: Fields can get a little bit more. And then with 345 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 1: his as a runner, he just is more forceful, you know. Yeah. 346 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 1: And and the statue is also gonna come and come 347 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 1: into play to you know, like Justin Fields is two 348 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 1: and thirty pounds like, and he's built like he's thicker, 349 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 1: He's dense, broad, broad shouldered. Zack Wilson looks narrow, Yeah, 350 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 1: Zack Wilson isn't like that. Yeah, And so you just 351 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 1: you just think about the stuff and some of the 352 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 1: quarterback run game, and that's why I think it was 353 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 1: really important and I and I'm glad like Josh Allen 354 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 1: and Lamar Jacks were able to advance in the playoffs 355 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 1: because that was gonna be the debate if they didn't advance, 356 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 1: then the argument kind of dies a little bit in 357 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 1: the war room when you talk about, hey, let's look 358 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 1: at how these guys have been able to succeed and 359 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 1: flourish his guys that weren't necessarily hailed as polished prospects. 360 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:05,679 Speaker 1: When Thenaday advanced and one of those guys is going 361 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 1: to be in the championship game, I think the debate 362 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 1: now you can get a willing ear to listen to that, 363 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:14,919 Speaker 1: and so it'll be interesting because why can't we have 364 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 1: four quarterbacks that all end up being pretty good with 365 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:20,159 Speaker 1: tray lands because Trey Lance is the one they get 366 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:22,399 Speaker 1: thrown out of the conversation because we didn't see him 367 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 1: as much this year and so that showcase game was 368 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:28,160 Speaker 1: whatever it was, which wasn't a good game for him. 369 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 1: He kind of falls by the wayside. But he should 370 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:33,639 Speaker 1: also be included in that conversation when we talk about 371 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:37,720 Speaker 1: the top four. Yeah, and you talk about having horsepower 372 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 1: and the size and the physicality, you know, oh man, 373 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 1: the toughness off the charts. So he's gonna beat watched. 374 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:45,119 Speaker 1: He's gonna be somebody that started out hot in the process. 375 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:47,359 Speaker 1: We didn't see him this year, but for a single game, 376 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 1: falls back and then comes right, yeah, he's that guy. 377 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 1: Every year we have one, right, he's he's gonna be 378 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:55,439 Speaker 1: that guy this year, and then in a year two 379 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:56,919 Speaker 1: and we're like, man, I don't know how, why why 380 00:17:56,960 --> 00:17:59,520 Speaker 1: did anybody take him? I can't believe everybody passed on 381 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 1: Trey last like, and we like what you think said 382 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:05,720 Speaker 1: for a long time, we think four in the top ten. 383 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:09,679 Speaker 1: Um and mac Jones kind of entering the conversation, you know, 384 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:12,199 Speaker 1: it's potentially a fifth first rounder. We'll see, you know, 385 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:15,120 Speaker 1: Kyle Trask, I gotta get do more work on him. Man, 386 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:18,439 Speaker 1: it's a quarterback year, but quarterback year, I absolutely believe, Like, 387 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:21,439 Speaker 1: and I know, like is my drafting season. And I 388 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:23,959 Speaker 1: know it's only so much gas that you have, right, 389 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 1: so you can't empty your stuff. But there has to 390 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 1: be four they go in the top ten. There has 391 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 1: to just just counting the number of teams that need 392 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:35,480 Speaker 1: them that are in the top ten. The first two 393 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:38,640 Speaker 1: teams two right out there. Atlanta has to get one, 394 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:41,640 Speaker 1: the Carolina Panthers have to get one. I don't sleep 395 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 1: on Detroit and I wouldn't sleep on Philadelphia, all right, 396 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 1: So so DJ like, yes, so right there. That push 397 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 1: you in the mix four half to be in the 398 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:53,160 Speaker 1: conversation like it has to be a done deal. Yeah, 399 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 1: which which is going to push some of these receivers down. 400 00:18:57,200 --> 00:18:58,919 Speaker 1: Which again let's get to that. Let's get to that 401 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:01,760 Speaker 1: because I was talking before we came on with the 402 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 1: Bill and Mark and we were talking about Davante Smith. 403 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:06,920 Speaker 1: How high can he go? Um? You know, the knock 404 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:08,920 Speaker 1: on him is the frame and all that. I mean, 405 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:11,439 Speaker 1: he's a phenomenal route runner of the production, the hands 406 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 1: run after catch checks all the other boxes. He just 407 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:16,159 Speaker 1: doesn't have that frame. It doesn't have maybe that you know, 408 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:19,680 Speaker 1: time speed is not gonna blow you away. But we've 409 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:22,679 Speaker 1: all along said that's overrated. That being said, when you 410 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 1: look at receivers that go in the top five, you're 411 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:28,639 Speaker 1: talking about freak shows. You're talking about Calvin Johnson and 412 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:33,680 Speaker 1: Larry Fitzgerald, Andre Johnson, these guys are freaks, like physical freaks. 413 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:36,000 Speaker 1: You don't see undersized guys. I mean, if you're looking 414 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:38,320 Speaker 1: at historically kind of the smaller guys, thinking about Peter 415 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 1: Work and that that didn't work out well. The last 416 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 1: two that were not what we call prototypical big body 417 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:49,400 Speaker 1: guys that win the top ten Tavon Austin and John 418 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 1: Ross and it didn't work out well for either guy. 419 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 1: And I think, if I am going to take a 420 00:19:56,320 --> 00:20:00,199 Speaker 1: receiver in the top ten, I want to win the 421 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:02,720 Speaker 1: beauty pageant. And I think the bigger thing is this 422 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 1: DJ because we'll have that conversation, UM in war rooms, 423 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:11,680 Speaker 1: what is the difference between DeVonta Smith and some of 424 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:13,920 Speaker 1: the guys that potentially will fall in the second round 425 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 1: of shod Bateman, roundal Moore or whatever? And how big 426 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:21,400 Speaker 1: is that gap? Is it an sizeable gap to make 427 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 1: me say no, I absolutely have to take this guy 428 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 1: in the top ten because I won't get another player 429 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:30,359 Speaker 1: in the draft. It has comparable skills and ability to 430 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 1: give me similar impact. So I got asked about this, um. 431 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:37,440 Speaker 1: Somebody was asking about the Jets, right. UM. Might even 432 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:39,160 Speaker 1: have been Rich, I don't know, but somebody's asking about 433 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:42,240 Speaker 1: the Jets. Do you take Devonte Smith if you're the Jets, 434 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:44,640 Speaker 1: and then you know stick with Sam Donald, you give 435 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 1: him a weapon, blah blah blah. Okay, let me just 436 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:49,240 Speaker 1: tell you, let me just give you. We talked about 437 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:51,920 Speaker 1: it all year long. I mean, look, justin Jefferson and 438 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 1: I you uh ceedee, lamb. Those guys all had great years. 439 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 1: Let me give you the wide receivers in the second round, 440 00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:00,520 Speaker 1: just in this last draft. You tell who the bad 441 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 1: player is, Buck Tee Higgins, Michael Pittman, Leavisca, Chenalt, kJ Hamler, 442 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 1: Chase Claypool, Van Jefferson, Denzel Mims. Who's the bad player 443 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 1: in that group? So how do you take one up there? 444 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:17,680 Speaker 1: How do you do that? There's not one? And so 445 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:22,280 Speaker 1: my my biggest thing has been maybe we shouldn't draft 446 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:24,479 Speaker 1: while receiving in the first round because we're seeing so 447 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 1: many guys come out of the second in third round 448 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 1: have success. There's a million of them, right, Maybe maybe 449 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:34,159 Speaker 1: you just go and hey, look, I love him, I 450 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:35,640 Speaker 1: love him as a player. We can give him his dude, 451 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 1: give him the grade that he wants, but we don't 452 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 1: need to take him. We don't need to take him 453 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:41,840 Speaker 1: there when we can take an offensive tackle. As we 454 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:44,959 Speaker 1: talked about the marquee positions. If we think about this simply, 455 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:49,399 Speaker 1: what are the premium positions on the team, And we 456 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 1: talked about in the trenches and at quarterback. I mean, 457 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:56,720 Speaker 1: well that's why, like answer me this, uh, answer me? 458 00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 1: This one I've said I think I would rather have 459 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:02,960 Speaker 1: Kyle Pitts in the first round because I don't find 460 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:05,480 Speaker 1: anybody like Kyle Pitts. I'm not gonna find anybody like him. 461 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:08,879 Speaker 1: And in the second draft, I can find receivers. I 462 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:10,639 Speaker 1: mean Jamar Chase, I love him, He's I think he's 463 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:12,159 Speaker 1: the best one in the draft. I can find other 464 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 1: dudes in the second round of coming to help get him. 465 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:16,879 Speaker 1: All the time I get a J. Brown, I get 466 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:19,360 Speaker 1: Michael Thomas. People will say, well, look, you know, look 467 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 1: Kelsey wasn't a first rounder, and you look at Kittle 468 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:23,800 Speaker 1: wasn't a first rounder. Yeah, but I can find you 469 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 1: a loads of picks that were second third round tight 470 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:28,440 Speaker 1: ends that did nothing. I just gave you a list 471 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:30,920 Speaker 1: of every single receiver pick in the second round last year. 472 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:34,199 Speaker 1: They're all hit, every single them, all of them. You know. 473 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 1: And the thing about Kyle Pitts, the the only question 474 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:40,199 Speaker 1: has little to do with him and more to do 475 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 1: with the play caller, because does your coordinator have a 476 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 1: clear understanding for how to utilize a talent like that? 477 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 1: And I think the problem is when we see tight 478 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:52,480 Speaker 1: ends taken in the top ten the last few years. 479 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:57,160 Speaker 1: Eric Ebron uh t J. Hockenson. I don't know if 480 00:22:57,160 --> 00:23:00,160 Speaker 1: the guys who were drawing up the plays new how 481 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,879 Speaker 1: the feature to tied in so you can get the value, 482 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:04,880 Speaker 1: you can get the return of the investment. They've been 483 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:07,959 Speaker 1: good players, I mean they've been good players, even though 484 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,199 Speaker 1: it took Ye Brown go on to another location, So 485 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:12,200 Speaker 1: that would that would be the thing. Yeah, but Kyle 486 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:14,679 Speaker 1: Pitts is different. I think you have to look for 487 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:18,040 Speaker 1: in the first round. I want a unicorn. I want 488 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:20,680 Speaker 1: something that I can't get elsewhere. I want I want 489 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:23,880 Speaker 1: something that is different, and if we if we do 490 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:27,440 Speaker 1: it like that, then it really limits what positions we 491 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 1: would even target. Years ago, I had this debate because 492 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:33,639 Speaker 1: I was slow to come around on Quinn Nelson because look, 493 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:37,119 Speaker 1: old school thoughts. Old school thinking was, you don't draft 494 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:40,159 Speaker 1: a guard, you don't drift a guard that high. But 495 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:43,240 Speaker 1: he's a unicorn. Though like he's a unicorn, he's he's 496 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:45,639 Speaker 1: something different. When you look at the way that he 497 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:50,400 Speaker 1: played guard compared to anybody else that played guard. He's different. 498 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:53,120 Speaker 1: So in the first round, I want unicorns. I want 499 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:56,360 Speaker 1: things that I'm not going to necessarily see in this lifetime. 500 00:23:57,080 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 1: You know, there are. Other interesting thing is you want tackles, 501 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 1: you want offensive tackles. Take him in the first round. Man, 502 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:05,639 Speaker 1: Like I look at Tehama, Well you know what, I 503 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:08,959 Speaker 1: need a tackle. I need a receiver. You better take 504 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,439 Speaker 1: your tackle first, man, because you're not coming around. They 505 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:14,399 Speaker 1: ain't gonna be there. They're all gone, so you can 506 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 1: hold off and wait on. And I need a running 507 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 1: back a receiver. Wait, you're fine, you get some there everywhere. 508 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 1: Supplying to man, the difference in your first tier, top 509 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:28,359 Speaker 1: tier tackles and your second tier tackles, it's a bigger 510 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:31,399 Speaker 1: gap between those and your first year white House and 511 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:33,120 Speaker 1: your second to year white house in some of those 512 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:35,760 Speaker 1: other positions. I think those white out tears, this kind 513 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:38,439 Speaker 1: of blending together, you know so, and a lot of it, 514 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:42,359 Speaker 1: a lot of it is due to um like what 515 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:44,919 Speaker 1: offense at the end, what scheme, how they utilize, how 516 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,120 Speaker 1: do they feature. I think that's the other thing too. 517 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 1: And this isn't a knock because DeVante Smith and Mac 518 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,359 Speaker 1: Jones and all those guys are good. But sometimes when 519 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:55,679 Speaker 1: you're scouting, you have to be able to separate scheme 520 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,120 Speaker 1: from the talent of the player. And I would say 521 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:00,680 Speaker 1: Sark was in his bag. He was he was doing 522 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:04,240 Speaker 1: everything to create to get the DeVonta Smith twelve catches 523 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:06,359 Speaker 1: in the first half. I was sitting there like my guys, like, 524 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:09,480 Speaker 1: how do you move someone around and do those things 525 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 1: or whatever? But you have to be able to separate 526 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:13,399 Speaker 1: that because if we take him out, because if we 527 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:17,080 Speaker 1: put DeVonta Smith in a static offense that doesn't move much, 528 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:19,320 Speaker 1: like if we put him in Philadelphia, are they gonna 529 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:21,479 Speaker 1: be able to utilize him. We gotta find out who 530 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:25,600 Speaker 1: their coaches first, you know, like can can you utilize 531 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:28,400 Speaker 1: them to really tap into the talent and the potential 532 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:32,359 Speaker 1: that he has. Yeah. No. Another big winner from the 533 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:35,040 Speaker 1: game last night was Barmore, who it was funny they 534 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:38,000 Speaker 1: were talking about him on the broadcasts, um the defensive 535 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 1: tackle Christian Barmore for for Alabama When when you watch 536 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,200 Speaker 1: him during the year, when you really study him, he's 537 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:46,320 Speaker 1: got some bad games, man, Like there's games where he 538 00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:48,320 Speaker 1: doesn't do anything, like I want to say, the South 539 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:52,879 Speaker 1: Carolina game very disappointing, and then he flashes in other games. 540 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 1: And then of course he comes on the national scene 541 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,800 Speaker 1: here in these two games and plays lights out and 542 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:00,960 Speaker 1: everybody's on them. Everybody's on it, but I just I 543 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 1: would just offered this little bit of caution because if 544 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:07,400 Speaker 1: you remember, remember when Clemson uh played Bama. I think 545 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:10,400 Speaker 1: this is the one they lost to Bama and with 546 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:12,520 Speaker 1: with Watson one of the first ones there. No, no, no, 547 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:15,200 Speaker 1: it might have been the one they won. But Kevin 548 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:19,560 Speaker 1: Dodd remember him, Kevin Dodd and Shack Lawson where the 549 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:23,639 Speaker 1: two edge rushers for Clemson, and Shack Jack had been 550 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:26,760 Speaker 1: kind of the guy, but man, Kevin Dodd came on 551 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,680 Speaker 1: played gangbusters. I was at the game, so I took 552 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,159 Speaker 1: a big bite out of that apple. He's out of 553 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:36,160 Speaker 1: I think he's out of the league. Buck. I mean, look, 554 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,280 Speaker 1: in a way, you could kind of say that about 555 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,480 Speaker 1: Cleveland Farrell, Like Farrell had a big game on the 556 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:44,800 Speaker 1: big stage, um kind of showdown, was very impressive. But 557 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:47,560 Speaker 1: we haven't seen that same kind of stuff at the 558 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:49,800 Speaker 1: next level. Injuries have played a part. And but yeah, 559 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,000 Speaker 1: like I think it is something like we want to 560 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:56,080 Speaker 1: give people credit for shining and showcasing in those big games, 561 00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:58,640 Speaker 1: but you also want to reference to regular season because 562 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,200 Speaker 1: the regular season does matter, like it does play your 563 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,440 Speaker 1: part in the evaluation. Like you have to give it, 564 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,240 Speaker 1: it's proper do and make sure it sliced into the 565 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 1: puzzle pie. Once you get outside the first couple of rounds, 566 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,600 Speaker 1: I'm okay with some of those, But to me, like 567 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,960 Speaker 1: my first two picks in a draft, I'm I don't 568 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,359 Speaker 1: want Mrs Man, I go back to Odsy do some doubles, 569 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:21,760 Speaker 1: doubles doubles. So give me the guy that's been the 570 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:23,359 Speaker 1: same guy from the beginning of the season to the 571 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,280 Speaker 1: end of the season. Maybe I sacrifice a little bit 572 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,320 Speaker 1: of what somebody could be or I'm hoping and wishing. 573 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:29,720 Speaker 1: I don't want to hope and wish with my first 574 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:33,160 Speaker 1: two picks. Man, you have to you have to nail 575 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,119 Speaker 1: it because really, and I know we're draft guys, and 576 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,840 Speaker 1: we love the draft, and we like to romanticize about 577 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:40,920 Speaker 1: the you know, we find this guy in the fifth 578 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,200 Speaker 1: and six. The league is really a first and second 579 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:46,159 Speaker 1: round league. Um, when you look at the rosters, like, 580 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:48,119 Speaker 1: it's really comprised of a bunch of first rounders and 581 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:51,199 Speaker 1: second rounders and then some others. And so if you 582 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 1: can consistently nail the first round and find starters in 583 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,480 Speaker 1: the second and third rounds, your team is going to 584 00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 1: be fine. All the other stuff that happens in the 585 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,840 Speaker 1: fourth of sixth round. I'll see it, and it's something 586 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:07,280 Speaker 1: it's at a lot of luck involved in that. If 587 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:09,479 Speaker 1: your guy's a seventh round pick and he comes and 588 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 1: becomes a start in a high end starter, there's a 589 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 1: lot of luck in that. Yeah, non interesting point. Um, 590 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:19,359 Speaker 1: all right, we mentioned it briefly. They're talking about what 591 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:23,240 Speaker 1: somebody fit with the Philadelphia Eagles. Um, they they make 592 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:26,160 Speaker 1: the move. Doug Peterson is out, now they're on. They're 593 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,600 Speaker 1: the seventh team now looking for a head coach. And 594 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,160 Speaker 1: I think Jet fans were not happy with me because 595 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:34,359 Speaker 1: I had tweeted out, look, that would make some sense 596 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:36,720 Speaker 1: with the Jets. I'm not lobbying for him to go 597 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:38,640 Speaker 1: to the Jets. I'm not saying he's the favorite to 598 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,360 Speaker 1: go to the Jets. I'm just simply saying two things. 599 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 1: I believe Doug Peterson is a good football coach, and 600 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 1: I know Doug Peterson and Joe Douglas have a great 601 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:49,480 Speaker 1: relationship from their time together. That's it. That's all I'm saying. 602 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 1: He would be one of the candidates that they have 603 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:53,400 Speaker 1: to consider up there with the Jets. Yeah, yeah, I 604 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:56,080 Speaker 1: mean you're trying to connect. It does because that relationship 605 00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:59,720 Speaker 1: between head coach and general manageres is critical. UM. You 606 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,320 Speaker 1: have to see the game through the same prism. You 607 00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:04,280 Speaker 1: have to be able to have the checks and balances 608 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,960 Speaker 1: UM built in where you can have these hard conversations 609 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,240 Speaker 1: to make decisions on what we need to do, not 610 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:12,280 Speaker 1: only personnel wise, but what are we gonna do from 611 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:15,600 Speaker 1: a coaching standpoint, uh, staffing and all of those things. 612 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:19,040 Speaker 1: And so I understand it. It makes complete sense that 613 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:21,320 Speaker 1: you at least have to investigate and see if it's 614 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:25,200 Speaker 1: a right fit. You Also, in my estimation, I want 615 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,280 Speaker 1: to bring Doug in at least for a long conversation 616 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:31,680 Speaker 1: because I want to get his opinion on my quarterback. 617 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:36,240 Speaker 1: I want to get another guy's opinion based on the 618 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:39,280 Speaker 1: quarterbacks that he's been around. Hey, you've seen Carson, You've 619 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:42,560 Speaker 1: seen Jalen Hurts, You've been around Folds and some other 620 00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:45,920 Speaker 1: guys that have come through this building. Give me your 621 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 1: take on our guy. What do you think our guy 622 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 1: is shooting? Yeah, you played with Brett far If you 623 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 1: played with you know all those dudes, like, give me 624 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:57,560 Speaker 1: the pros, give me the cons. What could he be? 625 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:00,520 Speaker 1: What would be in your mind, the US planning to 626 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:02,600 Speaker 1: get him that, and even if I don't hire you, 627 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:05,760 Speaker 1: I want that intil because I'm trying to I'm trying 628 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:08,040 Speaker 1: to take all of this data and figure out how 629 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:10,880 Speaker 1: can I make the best decision for my franchise going forward. 630 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,120 Speaker 1: I'm laughing, by the way, ask we're doing this because 631 00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:16,960 Speaker 1: the Raiders tweeted out that they hired Gus Bradley. That's 632 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,360 Speaker 1: not funny. I love Gus, We've we've known guests forever. 633 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:21,120 Speaker 1: The funny thing is they put a picture of Cannon 634 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:26,840 Speaker 1: wizzen Hunt on the uh graphic they hired him. I'm like, yeah, 635 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,320 Speaker 1: that's not Gus, that's kind wizzen Hunt. They took it down. 636 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 1: I guess they have to put up a new one. 637 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:32,880 Speaker 1: But again, this is kind of the This is what 638 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,120 Speaker 1: we talked about earlier. Right, if you're a team that 639 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:38,320 Speaker 1: already has your head coach but is making a coordinator change, 640 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:40,400 Speaker 1: you better jump on it right away. So what if 641 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:43,640 Speaker 1: we've seen we've seen dan Quinn, the Dallas Cowboys probably 642 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:46,280 Speaker 1: had to overpay. I guarantee you to be able to 643 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:49,520 Speaker 1: love so not have a chance to look elsewhere. Lock 644 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:51,600 Speaker 1: in dan Quinn now looks like the Raiders, who already 645 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:53,960 Speaker 1: have their head coach, who had a coordinator opening lock 646 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:56,800 Speaker 1: in Gus Bradley. If you think about you know, Robert Salo, 647 00:30:56,920 --> 00:31:00,840 Speaker 1: his connections to Gus, um anybody that's uh uh that's out. 648 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:02,760 Speaker 1: You're trying to get a job looking for a veteran coordinator, 649 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:05,200 Speaker 1: you think Gus would be highly sought after, so lock 650 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:07,280 Speaker 1: him in. So I feel like the team's kind of 651 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:09,880 Speaker 1: taking the approach we thought they would. YEA. And I 652 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,640 Speaker 1: also think is this I don't think it's a coincidence 653 00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:17,120 Speaker 1: with uh, Gus Bradley and Dan Quinn that they have 654 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 1: had success in their respective backgrounds um as hey coaches 655 00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:23,960 Speaker 1: with young guys getting on the field. Uh. There are 656 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,320 Speaker 1: a lot of people that will knock the simplicity of 657 00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:29,320 Speaker 1: this scheme, but the simplicity of the scheme enables you 658 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:32,720 Speaker 1: to develop and get young guys onto the field. And 659 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:34,840 Speaker 1: when you think about the way the league is training, 660 00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:38,280 Speaker 1: particularly if we're about to experience the salary cap crunch, 661 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,480 Speaker 1: young guys more than ever have to be able to 662 00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:43,120 Speaker 1: get on the field and they have to be able 663 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:46,600 Speaker 1: to play. And so UM, I don't think it's a coincidence. 664 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:48,920 Speaker 1: I think it's something to that. I think it's something 665 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:52,120 Speaker 1: to the developmental part of what both guys bring as 666 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:56,160 Speaker 1: leaders of their respective units. I do like it when 667 00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:58,840 Speaker 1: you have a coordinator stay inside the division. You get 668 00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,080 Speaker 1: to charge your radar thing there. That's kind of fun. 669 00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:03,520 Speaker 1: Uh makes sense too from a family standpoint to if 670 00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:05,280 Speaker 1: you think about some of these coaches, you gosh, you 671 00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:06,960 Speaker 1: don't want to be bouncing around all over the place. 672 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,120 Speaker 1: You could probably if you're gusts you probably still keep 673 00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:12,280 Speaker 1: home base, you know, an orange counter. Yeah, you can 674 00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:13,920 Speaker 1: fly back and forth. I mean, if you want to 675 00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:16,240 Speaker 1: like it at night, he could do it like fly 676 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,200 Speaker 1: fly nicey to fam come back early in the morning 677 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,880 Speaker 1: and get there. So, yeah, it gives you more opportunities, 678 00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:23,640 Speaker 1: more possibilities when it comes to that. But yeah, and 679 00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:27,480 Speaker 1: also the familiarity in terms of knowing your division opponents. Yeah, 680 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,040 Speaker 1: that's that's I think that's a really big and if 681 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,080 Speaker 1: you you know, look, they haven't uh, I mean they 682 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:33,200 Speaker 1: won the one at the end of the year when 683 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,160 Speaker 1: the Chiefs were taking a knee, but they have been 684 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:38,440 Speaker 1: competitive and they have done very well slowing down Patrick 685 00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,040 Speaker 1: Mahomes and that in that group if what I'm saying 686 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:44,840 Speaker 1: was Gus did Gusts work in Tampa with Gruden. I 687 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,640 Speaker 1: know Gus is a marion NELLI man, I don't know, 688 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,040 Speaker 1: but I know there's something. I know Gus and Rod 689 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:53,400 Speaker 1: Mary Nelly were together, and with Rod being there, I 690 00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,719 Speaker 1: could see all of that kind of working together. I 691 00:32:56,720 --> 00:33:00,200 Speaker 1: feel like it's really important that he John Gruden on it, 692 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:04,280 Speaker 1: that scheme, that stuff. He may just not have wanted 693 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:06,400 Speaker 1: like Rod to take all of that stuff on the 694 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:08,720 Speaker 1: challenges of calling it and doing it maybe at his 695 00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:10,840 Speaker 1: age and stuff. I believe the same thing in terms 696 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,760 Speaker 1: of you better get your front four, get after it. Um, 697 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:15,880 Speaker 1: Gus not not big on you know, center a munch 698 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:17,880 Speaker 1: of exotic pressure scene. You need to get home a four, 699 00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:20,680 Speaker 1: you know, play that single high a lot and keep 700 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:22,840 Speaker 1: the ball in front of rally and tackle. Yeah, you 701 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:24,600 Speaker 1: know it's funny and having conversations with Gus and you 702 00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:27,320 Speaker 1: don't know more because you studied, Um, you studies charges 703 00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:30,560 Speaker 1: every week. But Gus had talked to me about like 704 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,600 Speaker 1: Pete was so big on the three deep zone or whatever. 705 00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:36,640 Speaker 1: But Gus working with Rob marrinelly, he liked the Tampa 706 00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:40,640 Speaker 1: two stuff and that their original playing in Seattle was 707 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,720 Speaker 1: to basically more of what Rob, Mary Nelly and Money 708 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:46,960 Speaker 1: Kiffen and those guys did in Tampa with the Tampa two, 709 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:49,960 Speaker 1: but to do it with the three deep zone. And 710 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,240 Speaker 1: he felt like the best of both worlds was to 711 00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:55,479 Speaker 1: be able to do both things, play Tampa two and 712 00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,720 Speaker 1: that cover three and put it together. So quarterbacks knew 713 00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,400 Speaker 1: that they couldn't always just word to the flat without 714 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:03,960 Speaker 1: some resistance from the corner showing up and doing some 715 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:07,720 Speaker 1: of that stuff, no doubt. Um, All right, well, any 716 00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,799 Speaker 1: anybody you like here for the Eagles gig here? You 717 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:14,160 Speaker 1: know it's it's like it's really tough because you know 718 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:17,680 Speaker 1: the reports that come out of there. It's about Lorie 719 00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:20,480 Speaker 1: wanted to know what is the future vision because this 720 00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:22,440 Speaker 1: team is kind of at a crossroads in terms of 721 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,840 Speaker 1: the cap situation, making some decisions you have the quarterback 722 00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:29,719 Speaker 1: stuff or whatever. Obviously, whoever comes in has to have 723 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:33,040 Speaker 1: a plan for getting Carson Wentz back right, they also 724 00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:34,920 Speaker 1: have to have a plan for building a team that 725 00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:38,279 Speaker 1: can win the division. And these are you talked to 726 00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:42,320 Speaker 1: me about. This team just doesn't invest in linebackers. They've 727 00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:45,200 Speaker 1: never really seen it as as a thing. And I 728 00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:48,120 Speaker 1: think at some point though, like if they want their 729 00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:51,360 Speaker 1: defense to be up to the level of the competitors 730 00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:55,360 Speaker 1: in division, they have to put something in the linebacker position, 731 00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:57,319 Speaker 1: great up front, something to back in. But you gotta 732 00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:59,400 Speaker 1: get some players. So one of the things I was 733 00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:02,240 Speaker 1: thinking about it where they're picking. They're picking six, so 734 00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,080 Speaker 1: you know, look, they could they could decide that neither 735 00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:06,960 Speaker 1: one of their current quarterbacks are there, guy, and they 736 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,080 Speaker 1: could take one at six. They could try and take 737 00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:12,200 Speaker 1: a receiver to come in. Man, it's this tough when 738 00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:15,279 Speaker 1: you I don't I love Jamar Chase, but man, going 739 00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:17,600 Speaker 1: receiver back to back in the first rounds, it's difficult 740 00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:19,520 Speaker 1: when you can find them anywhere else that I don't 741 00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:21,000 Speaker 1: I don't think you can do that. I don't think. 742 00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:22,560 Speaker 1: I think. I think you have to put the owners 743 00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:24,560 Speaker 1: on Jalen breagor you gotta get better, Like you have 744 00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:25,959 Speaker 1: to be better. You have to be the impact player 745 00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:27,840 Speaker 1: we take in the first round for a reason. We 746 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,520 Speaker 1: expect you to be this player in one you have 747 00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:32,839 Speaker 1: to play to that level. But I think about the 748 00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,520 Speaker 1: salary cap mess that they're in. To me, it actually 749 00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:37,799 Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense if we're talking about four 750 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:42,799 Speaker 1: quarterbacks going if they could multiple times trade back and 751 00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:44,919 Speaker 1: get as many picks not only this year but even 752 00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:47,040 Speaker 1: next year, and try and have a two year period 753 00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:49,040 Speaker 1: where look, we're gonna have to play we have to 754 00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:51,600 Speaker 1: roster a lot of rookies, and they don't have to 755 00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:53,840 Speaker 1: roster us some undrafted free agents because we're gonna have 756 00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:55,680 Speaker 1: to clean up all the salary cap mess that they 757 00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,160 Speaker 1: find themselves in. Yeah, I think that's gonna have to 758 00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:01,439 Speaker 1: be a very transparent conversation. But whether it does, though, 759 00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:03,359 Speaker 1: it creates a lot of pressure because if you're talking 760 00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:08,319 Speaker 1: about a roster rebuild or retool, your quarterback has to 761 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:11,799 Speaker 1: be able to play in the midst of that and 762 00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:13,759 Speaker 1: with all the pressure that is going to be on 763 00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:15,440 Speaker 1: him because people are going to view this as a 764 00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:17,920 Speaker 1: power struggle, like he is going to have to be 765 00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:19,440 Speaker 1: able to get back on track and he's gonna be 766 00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:21,439 Speaker 1: able to He needs to be able to do more 767 00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:25,560 Speaker 1: with less, And I don't know if that's what Jeffrey 768 00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:27,680 Speaker 1: Lurie is going to sign up for. When it comes 769 00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:30,880 Speaker 1: to Look, I'm writing this big check and my confident 770 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:32,440 Speaker 1: that my quarterback can do it, I think he may 771 00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:34,080 Speaker 1: have to devote some more resources to make sure that 772 00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:36,880 Speaker 1: Carson gets off the ground. So here's a challenge for 773 00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:38,279 Speaker 1: teams that are going to have to clean up the 774 00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:40,759 Speaker 1: salary cap is. I think you need to find a 775 00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:42,400 Speaker 1: way to get two things. You need to find a 776 00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:44,920 Speaker 1: way to get youth right. But man, if you can 777 00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:47,560 Speaker 1: get maturity to go along with that youth, they can 778 00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,200 Speaker 1: they can co exist. You can actually find a young 779 00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:55,120 Speaker 1: kid rookies that are passionate and professional and mature, so 780 00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:57,640 Speaker 1: you can infuse this life and all this young blood 781 00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:00,160 Speaker 1: into your organization. But you get the right kid that 782 00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:01,960 Speaker 1: come out of the right places and are wired the 783 00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,920 Speaker 1: right way. Um, now you've got a chance with to 784 00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:06,600 Speaker 1: have some success. You don't have to go through a 785 00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,359 Speaker 1: lean years of being four and twelve. If you get 786 00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,520 Speaker 1: some mature young guys to put in the mix. Do 787 00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:13,960 Speaker 1: I mean I need to go back and I need 788 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,320 Speaker 1: to put on the things say we want four year players, 789 00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:20,239 Speaker 1: guys that have graduated, guys who come from winning programs. 790 00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:22,200 Speaker 1: Do we need to go back and and have that 791 00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,160 Speaker 1: conversation all over again and make sure that we're getting 792 00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:28,680 Speaker 1: we're getting the right guys. Uh and on the program. 793 00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:31,799 Speaker 1: I don't think that's dated man, I really don't you know. 794 00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,839 Speaker 1: I mean, I think I think that works, um, and 795 00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:37,920 Speaker 1: I don't know. Some of the listeners haven't heard the 796 00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:40,600 Speaker 1: reason why it was desirable. When I was in Carolina, 797 00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:44,200 Speaker 1: John Fox was a big fan of college graduates, guys 798 00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:47,560 Speaker 1: who at least been in college four years. Um, guys 799 00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:50,400 Speaker 1: are earned their degree. And part of it was because 800 00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:53,279 Speaker 1: of the maturity that is necessary. Part of that is 801 00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:56,480 Speaker 1: also the goal setting and the goal completion. You started 802 00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:59,319 Speaker 1: in school, you finished school, you spent four years there, 803 00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:02,359 Speaker 1: so you've gone to the full developmental process. If you're 804 00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:05,080 Speaker 1: on a winning team, because you also wanted guys that 805 00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:08,279 Speaker 1: came from winning programs, you understand the sacrifice and the 806 00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:11,719 Speaker 1: work that goes into being a winner. Because he didn't 807 00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:13,960 Speaker 1: want to have to spend a whole lot of time 808 00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,759 Speaker 1: teaching guys how to be professionals. You would like them 809 00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:21,480 Speaker 1: to understand that coming in. So now we can focus 810 00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:24,120 Speaker 1: on tactics and schemes and your own development and stuff 811 00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,160 Speaker 1: like that. And so it does help if you have 812 00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:28,800 Speaker 1: a mature player that comes in and understands that you 813 00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,080 Speaker 1: don't have to babysit them. I might agree with you, 814 00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:33,680 Speaker 1: this has been fun. We can do this all day. Man, Uh, 815 00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:35,359 Speaker 1: it's been great to catch up anything else you want 816 00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:37,160 Speaker 1: to afore we get out of here. No, that's it, man. 817 00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:40,360 Speaker 1: Just looking forward to the games this weekend, division around 818 00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:43,319 Speaker 1: being able to kind of separate these teams. I mean, 819 00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:46,120 Speaker 1: it's fascinating. It's fascinating we see the matchups that we have. Well, 820 00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:47,960 Speaker 1: I'm I'm pumped for this time of year. I feel 821 00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:49,839 Speaker 1: you know, I feel like I got three jobs right 822 00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:52,319 Speaker 1: in the Charger thing, we do the Amazon thing, and 823 00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:54,359 Speaker 1: we do our work here at NFL media groups. So 824 00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:57,360 Speaker 1: too done, man, put two to bed and now um 825 00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:59,840 Speaker 1: we a draft is coming and we can dive in. 826 00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:02,480 Speaker 1: So it's a it's a fun time of year. I 827 00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:04,560 Speaker 1: want to thank everybody for helping us here as we 828 00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:06,120 Speaker 1: got this bad boy up and run, and want to 829 00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:08,880 Speaker 1: thank the Bill Mark has always uh Cole joining the 830 00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:11,360 Speaker 1: team doing a great job as well. So appreciate you guys, 831 00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:13,399 Speaker 1: and we'll see you next time. Right here, I moved 832 00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:31,239 Speaker 1: the sticks presented by Castro Edge