1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:02,679 Speaker 1: So, and I looked to my right and there's two 2 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:06,240 Speaker 1: seats right next to me, and I'm like, sit down here. 3 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:09,000 Speaker 1: She goes yeah, and we sit down, and then there's 4 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:11,160 Speaker 1: a lady in the back goes you know, I guess 5 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:15,200 Speaker 1: you wait the Rose parks No, no. 6 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 2: No, yes. My next guest on Naked is Isa Blaker. 7 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:26,239 Speaker 2: He is an actor, He was a model. He is 8 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 2: soon to be a singer, at least I think so. 9 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:31,159 Speaker 2: That's what he says to us. You're gonna enjoy this 10 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 2: edition of Naked. 11 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:42,960 Speaker 3: It's the greatest suspension entertainment. 12 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:45,920 Speaker 4: Connect it with Kerry Chappi and Carrie Chappy is to 13 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 4: be a Champianna Champion and Carrie Chpy and Nigger Lady 14 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 4: Yta Champion and Carrie Chpy and and Carrie Shevy. 15 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 3: Great the greatest suspion entertainment. Cannete. 16 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, welcome back to you a new edition of Naked. 17 00:00:56,840 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 2: Today on the pod we have Isha Blaker. He has 18 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 2: an interesting origin story. And the reason why I use 19 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 2: the word origin is because he plays a very trusted 20 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:11,959 Speaker 2: scholar in Aver DuVernay's origin. And I hope you guys 21 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 2: have seen the film. If not, believe me. It is 22 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:19,279 Speaker 2: worth the watch. But today's guest actually got his start 23 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 2: as a model and now he is acting. He is 24 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:27,760 Speaker 2: one of these personalities, if you will, or people who 25 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 2: just want to be the best at everything. And I 26 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:33,040 Speaker 2: know that sounds very generic to say, but it isn't common. 27 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 2: At one point in his life he thought that he 28 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 2: would be an mma boxer because he loved martial arts 29 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 2: and he'd ultimately take it to the next level. And 30 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 2: then he found gold if you will, as a model, 31 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 2: and he thought, well, I'm going to be the best 32 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 2: model there is. And then, of course, as it happens, 33 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 2: he left modeling and decided to start acting, and acting 34 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 2: has been good to him. You may have already seen 35 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 2: him in Medea, Homecoming, Fear of the Walking Dead, or 36 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 2: Again his latest role as a real life trailblazer and 37 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:10,240 Speaker 2: anthropologist Alison Davis and Averd Duvenet's Origin Again. This is 38 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:12,960 Speaker 2: an important story that talks about racism in the United 39 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 2: States as an aspect of the caste system. It's based 40 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:21,080 Speaker 2: off of Isabelle Wickerson's book It's called cast If you 41 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:23,800 Speaker 2: guys have not seen it, If you have not read 42 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 2: the book, which is a dance read, so you know 43 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 2: Audible is there as well, but it is worth it. 44 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 2: It is so important and I don't know if you 45 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 2: guys are connecting the dots. I am trying to do 46 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 2: and tell stories and interview people who are really a 47 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:43,639 Speaker 2: part of a movement that requires us to be aware 48 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 2: of what's going on in our society today. And this 49 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:50,800 Speaker 2: film Origent definitely is important, especially as we are in 50 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 2: this election year, folks, so try to check it out. 51 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 2: But in the meantime, in between time, pack some patients 52 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:59,240 Speaker 2: and a little bit of understanding. Have a little fun 53 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 2: with our next guest. 54 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 4: He's a blaker on Naked Chapion and care with Chappy 55 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 4: and and. 56 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 3: Care with Chat. 57 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for being naked or being on naked. 58 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:14,399 Speaker 2: The idea of the podcast is really to just talk 59 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 2: to people who have really incredible stories. And you have 60 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:19,639 Speaker 2: a really great story, uh still to be written. I'm 61 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:22,799 Speaker 2: sure we will begin with your origin story if you will. 62 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 2: Congratulations on the film, remarkable work. I've read the book, well, 63 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 2: I've done my best to read the book because it's thick, 64 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 2: and it's dense, and you and you and as you 65 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 2: read it, there's a lot to digest. And I think 66 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 2: Eva did an amazing job with this. With that being said, 67 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 2: where did you grow up? From my understanding, you and 68 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 2: your parents are well, you left your original home when 69 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 2: you were two years old, So tell me about how 70 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 2: you grew up a little bit. Well. 71 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 1: I was born in Sarnham, which is in South America. 72 00:03:56,800 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 1: It's above Brazil. It's right next to venezuela green country 73 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 1: in the world. There's no how do you call it 74 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 1: institution races in there, and it's a very interesting and 75 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 1: beautiful country in my opinion, very green. When I was 76 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 1: two years old, we moved to the Netherlands, which is 77 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 1: in Europe, and I have lived there for about twenty 78 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:20,240 Speaker 1: five years. 79 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 2: Oh so you still well, I don't want to be 80 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:26,599 Speaker 2: all in your business, but you claim Netherlands as home. 81 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:28,720 Speaker 2: That's home for you, right in terms of when I'm 82 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 2: going back home, that's where you're going. 83 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 1: It's all three. Actually, Rotterdam is where I grew up 84 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 1: in the Netherlands. The city is home, where I was born, 85 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 1: where I find my culture, and Seram is home, and 86 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:45,600 Speaker 1: where my house in New York is or home in 87 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:48,039 Speaker 1: New York is Okay is also home. 88 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:53,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, when you grew up, did you have any concept 89 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 2: of what life would look like for you in terms 90 00:04:56,160 --> 00:05:00,719 Speaker 2: of your interest. You were involved in our arts, you 91 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 2: were semi pro as a fighter, you been modeled, and 92 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:12,040 Speaker 2: you also have several degrees. It's almost as if you're 93 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:14,160 Speaker 2: like a ma guiver, if we call it, a jack 94 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:18,040 Speaker 2: of all trades. How did you see your life turning 95 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 2: out at this stage that you're at right now? Could 96 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 2: you say, oh, I'd be an actor. I knew i'd 97 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:24,480 Speaker 2: be acting. 98 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:27,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, I grew up. I mean it was an option, 99 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 1: you know, acting, but it just yeah, you were going 100 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:33,600 Speaker 1: to be broke. It's also way smaller market. And now 101 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:36,160 Speaker 1: there are actually actors who make a good living out 102 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 1: of it over there, but. 103 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:39,360 Speaker 5: It's a small market. 104 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 1: So no, it was not. My dream was to be 105 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 1: world champion and martial arts. And first it was full 106 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 1: contact karate and then kickboxing and then MMA, and I 107 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 1: wanted to be world champion and all of it, and 108 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:56,599 Speaker 1: you know, I got injured, and you know, other things 109 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 1: came on my path. And then I wanted to be 110 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:01,160 Speaker 1: the best model, and then I realized, you know, or 111 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 1: the number one model, you have to be white for that. 112 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 1: So then I wanted to be the number one black 113 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 1: model and then yeah, you know, and that might be 114 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 1: I don't know for somebody who's had picked from like 115 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 1: fifteen or eighteen years old, and it's not something you 116 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 1: can work on and you know, do yourself. So from there, 117 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:26,039 Speaker 1: I just thought about business life and be successful there, 118 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:29,840 Speaker 1: and then I just chose to go into modeling because 119 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 1: I want to travel the world, go on adventure. And 120 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:35,920 Speaker 1: then eventually I realized like, ah, there's not a lot 121 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:38,719 Speaker 1: I can do. There's not a lot I can do 122 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 1: to make to make the modeling progress. So then I 123 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:47,920 Speaker 1: found acting and acting is something that very much show 124 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 1: you you have a big hand in your success and 125 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 1: moving forward. 126 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:54,559 Speaker 2: So I what I the connecting or the through line 127 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:56,480 Speaker 2: is that you want to be successful. You want to 128 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:59,040 Speaker 2: be the best at whatever it is that you attempted 129 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 2: to do, so admirable for so many reasons. No one 130 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 2: attempts to do something just to be mediocre. But you 131 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:08,920 Speaker 2: go from you get a degree. You have several degrees, correct, 132 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 2: you have a master's degree? Am I am? I right 133 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 2: about that? In consultancy? Is that accurate? 134 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:17,239 Speaker 1: Yeah? A business, a bachelor's in business and the master's 135 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 1: and consultancy. I mean where I'm from, it's kind of 136 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 1: different than in America. It's it's like, if you do 137 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 1: the Bachelor's, you have to do the Masters, and if 138 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 1: you show up to a job interview and you haven't 139 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 1: done your masters, you get questions. 140 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 5: You know. It's it's different. 141 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 2: Interesting, Okay, where we choose neither here stateside and if 142 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 2: we have to do one with like I just did 143 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 2: that one part I did the Bachelor's, I don't want anymore. 144 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 2: I'm done with school at least that's how I was, like, 145 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 2: I'm done. I did my school part. So so you 146 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 2: have all of these, you have a world, in my opinion, 147 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 2: to choose from. And do you think acting is your 148 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 2: home in terms of this? Is it I've found what 149 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 2: I want? Or is there other things on the horizon 150 00:07:57,640 --> 00:07:59,679 Speaker 2: for you? 151 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 5: Right now? 152 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 1: It is? I mean there was a life before acting, 153 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 1: there's a life next to acting, and there will be 154 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 1: a life after acting. So wherever my path takes me, 155 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 1: that's where I'll be. I like to write, but I 156 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 1: will say anything that I put myself to. Right now, 157 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 1: I'm studying how to sing, and that's great, but I 158 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 1: like to fully commit myself to what I'm doing. So 159 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 1: right now, that's everything that comes through and from acting, 160 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 1: and at some point that means starting other businesses or 161 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 1: other ventures, and that will all come through that. 162 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 2: That's and by the way, that's what it used to be. 163 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:39,680 Speaker 2: There still is in some cases where you had the 164 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 2: old Hollywood acting studios and like the fret of Stairs 165 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:44,200 Speaker 2: of the World and the Ginger Rogers, you had to 166 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:45,680 Speaker 2: seeing act dance. You have to be able to do 167 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 2: it all. You could just do one thing really well. 168 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 2: So that makes sense in terms of being a talent 169 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 2: that you are. You started in some small roles, as 170 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:58,440 Speaker 2: we all do, I think, and then you get this 171 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:01,679 Speaker 2: what from my understanding, and correct me if I'm wrong, 172 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 2: this break, this big break or what would be on 173 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 2: the outside looking in seemingly a big break by being 174 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:12,199 Speaker 2: in a Tyler Perry film that was I believe on Netflix. 175 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:15,319 Speaker 2: Talk to me about your level up in terms of 176 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:19,560 Speaker 2: getting roles and finally landing this this Tyler Perry role 177 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:20,960 Speaker 2: where you are featured. 178 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:25,680 Speaker 5: I don't know. I don't. 179 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 1: I don't necessarily look at it like that. I think 180 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 1: that that's a tricky way to look at it, as 181 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 1: I've made it now and yes thatda I didn't make it. 182 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 1: So I like like the craft of it. Yeah, and 183 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 1: I like the study of it. So I just look 184 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 1: at my performance and my skill level and how I 185 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:48,320 Speaker 1: can improve. Yeah, that's kind of all there is to it. 186 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:51,840 Speaker 1: So even the roles that somebody might call smaller, I'm 187 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 1: looking at how can I make more of it, or 188 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:55,840 Speaker 1: how can I do my absolute best or give it 189 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 1: what it just what it needs to make it, you know, 190 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 1: just just perfect. So in that sense, Tyler Perry was 191 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 1: the exact same thing to me. Now, I will agree 192 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 1: with you that it's it's a project on a way 193 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:13,439 Speaker 1: different scale. 194 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:14,199 Speaker 5: In a sense. 195 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 1: I mean his movie went number one in most countries 196 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:20,560 Speaker 1: in the world on Netflix, and I think it was 197 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:23,200 Speaker 1: third and some otherwise it would have been number one everywhere. 198 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 1: So yeah, that was just a beautiful thing to be 199 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 1: a part of. I don't yeah, it's weird. I don't 200 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:32,960 Speaker 1: look at it in terms of fame more. Now people 201 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 1: know you more, you're a bit more on the map. 202 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:36,680 Speaker 1: But in the end you got to go home and 203 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:37,960 Speaker 1: go back to auditions again. 204 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:40,199 Speaker 2: I don't estarily know if that's the question. The question 205 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 2: is more like, and let me be a little more clear, 206 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:47,439 Speaker 2: when you start out with any profession, you don't necessarily 207 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 2: start from the You don't start where you want to 208 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:52,679 Speaker 2: where you want to end. You know, it's a it's 209 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:55,320 Speaker 2: a it's a process. And so you can see the 210 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:58,560 Speaker 2: distance and I and I wonder from the moment you 211 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 2: started to act to where you are now, more specifically, 212 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 2: when asking about the Tyler Perry film, do you see 213 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:05,960 Speaker 2: the difference how you've grown as an actor? Do you 214 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 2: see other things that you're more interested in? There is 215 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:12,440 Speaker 2: this progression like so if I when I started out 216 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:14,440 Speaker 2: in journalism, I was a one man band. I was 217 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 2: carrying my camera in my tripod and I was setting 218 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:20,080 Speaker 2: it up and interviewing people and sweating like crazy and 219 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:22,200 Speaker 2: doing all this work that I felt like, Okay, this 220 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 2: is teaching me to appreciate my craft. And then when 221 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:28,839 Speaker 2: you get to the level where you can you know 222 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 2: it's you're not setting up your camera or your tripod. 223 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:34,719 Speaker 2: You can see the distance and you say, okay, this 224 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 2: is this feels good too? You know what I mean? 225 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 2: You can appreciate every part of the journey. But did 226 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 2: you really feel like WHOA when you were in the 227 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 2: Tyler Perry film or was no different than when you 228 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:46,560 Speaker 2: started in your very first acting job? 229 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:50,679 Speaker 1: No, I think the biggest differences are, you know, when 230 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:54,679 Speaker 1: you're a guest star and you come along, mostly what 231 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 1: you're doing is managing your emotions and nerves, you know, 232 00:11:57,640 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 1: and you're doing stuff that you think works. It doesn't 233 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 1: work at all, that works against you. So you know, 234 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 1: I don't know, I have quite a deep voice, so 235 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 1: I need If I don't use it properly, it can 236 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:13,320 Speaker 1: kind of disappear and I can sound like cookie Monster 237 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 1: and like people don't understand what I'm saying. So, you know, 238 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 1: there was stuff I thought I had to like send 239 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 1: my voice and boom it through the entire room. That 240 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 1: didn't work because there's a microphone close here. You know, 241 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 1: you learn these things or trying to cry in the 242 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 1: back and getting ready for it seeing that has nothing 243 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 1: to do with that does not work. And there's just 244 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 1: those little lessons. And with Tyler, because there was way 245 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 1: more to act, and it was like boot camp because 246 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:43,440 Speaker 1: he shoots it and I think it was ten days 247 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 1: and there was like two set of days and a weekend. Yeah, 248 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 1: normally they shoot it in seven but because he was 249 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 1: acting multiple characters, you know, it took longer and we 250 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 1: had a week to prepare, so that was the growth 251 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:01,319 Speaker 1: and the fun. And you know it's booth camp. You 252 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:03,720 Speaker 1: got to show up and and and that was crazy. 253 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 1: So afterwards you do feel like, oh I am a 254 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:10,320 Speaker 1: different actor now, not because the project is on a 255 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 1: different Whatever he does with it, how big he promotes 256 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:16,959 Speaker 1: and turns it out and all that, that's that's him. 257 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 5: He's that business man. 258 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:20,959 Speaker 1: I get to work on a on a on a 259 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 1: more stuff under more pressure. 260 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 5: And that's right, gril right. 261 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 4: Every champion and carry champion is to be a champion, 262 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 4: a champion and carry champion and carry Chat be a champion, 263 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 4: and Kerry chapion and. 264 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 3: Kry chat afraid is the sports and entertainment. And Naked Weird. 265 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 4: Erry Champion and carry Champion is to be a champion, 266 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 4: a champion and carry champion, Nigger Kitty Chota Champion and 267 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:48,679 Speaker 4: carry Champion, and Cary Chat. 268 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 3: Be afraid is the sports and entertainment. Get Nike, you weird. 269 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 2: I you know, I think it's so hard to be 270 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:56,439 Speaker 2: I say this every time we have actors on the podcast. 271 00:13:56,520 --> 00:13:58,680 Speaker 2: It is so difficult. What you all do? You just 272 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 2: said something really simple like what choice am I going 273 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 2: to make? I need to cry on you know, or 274 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 2: and that has nothing to do with what's happening, or 275 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:11,319 Speaker 2: do I do I project or do I make a movement? 276 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:15,080 Speaker 2: What feels right? And then there's always somebody being like 277 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:16,960 Speaker 2: And the only reason why I'm saying this is because 278 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 2: once I played I played a reporter. I played myself, 279 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 2: and the director came in and said, you're not doing 280 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 2: it right. I'm like, but I'm a reporter, That's what 281 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 2: I would do. And he's like, it's just not right, 282 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 2: it's just and you just and I was so read 283 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 2: and humiliated. I had no clue. I was so embarrassed. 284 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 2: I was like, wait, what do you mean? This is 285 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:37,560 Speaker 2: what I would do in real life? And he's like, no, 286 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 2: wrong choice. And so I always think to myself, that 287 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 2: was the day I knew I can never do what 288 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 2: you do. And I was like, oh, bless this man. 289 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 2: That's a tough profession. It is, in my opinion, you know, 290 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:51,840 Speaker 2: to go with something instinctively, but they're telling you that's 291 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 2: not it and you have to figure it out. 292 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 1: I think sometimes you also have to be allowed to 293 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 1: make your mistakes and find your into a craft. You know. 294 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 1: I used to vlog and put videos out, but I 295 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 1: really enjoyed. It just took a lot of effort. Like 296 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 1: I every Monday, I would pull an all nighter to 297 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 1: get it all edited and uploaded. And then I was 298 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 1: studying how to you know, get an American accent. I 299 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 1: needed that to be able to work in America. And 300 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 1: I asked my accent coach, Ok, hey, what do you 301 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 1: think about this? And I asked about my accent and 302 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:27,480 Speaker 1: she watched it and she was like, what is this thing? 303 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 1: Like you're just filming your face walking around? This is weird, 304 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 1: you know, and it just it just like put a 305 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 1: knife in my confidence. And you know, even though she 306 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:43,640 Speaker 1: God bless her heart, is of a different era time. 307 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 2: Whatever I give you, I get where you're going. 308 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 5: She doesn't get the whole medium the. 309 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 2: I'm doing something different. 310 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, but even in hindsight, there was something great in it. 311 00:15:56,840 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 1: It's just somebody who took that little bit of confidence 312 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 1: and insecurity and just like, you know, killed it. So 313 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 1: and I think maybe the same thing happened to you. 314 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 1: And then I don't know what happened, whether you're like, listen, 315 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 1: I'm just going to focus on my strength or I'm 316 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 1: not going to pursue this or whatever. 317 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 2: But yeah, you know, to your point, I understand everything 318 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 2: takes correction. I think I respect what actors do because, yeah, 319 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 2: I just find it the most difficult thing to do. 320 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 2: I really do. I think it's such a craft. And 321 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 2: I was talking to and his name is not Ray Donovan, 322 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 2: but I was talking to Leave Schreiber once and he 323 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 2: said that he's a method actor, almost to the point 324 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:47,680 Speaker 2: where it could be painful. Do you have a preferred 325 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 2: method of acting? Are you? Are you someone who has 326 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 2: to be the character twenty four hours a day to 327 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 2: get into the character. 328 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 5: I hope I don't have a method. I'm studying my 329 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 5: butt off. 330 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 1: In different places with different people who teach different methods, 331 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 1: and I hope I can find myself in the middle 332 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 1: at some point. I think that changes per per per project. 333 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 1: I think at some point it's good to kind of 334 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:26,200 Speaker 1: tone it down. If I'm in an accent, I try 335 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:28,720 Speaker 1: to stay in the accent, kind of in a baseline 336 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:31,920 Speaker 1: while I'm on set or around maybe, and then I'll 337 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 1: I'll turn it up once I start acting. I've had 338 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 1: projects where I would take pictures up and pictures and 339 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 1: put them on the walls of the hotel room that 340 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 1: I'm in and that's great because then you know, your 341 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:51,880 Speaker 1: mind is constantly and you have to move them around 342 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:57,359 Speaker 1: because you keep you start forgetting about them. But yeah, 343 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:01,879 Speaker 1: that's that's great until you get the cleaning ladies that 344 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:04,480 Speaker 1: need to come in and you're doing a movie like 345 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 1: Origin and there's you know, pretty bad photos up that 346 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 1: that you need for your acting. But you know, you're 347 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:18,200 Speaker 1: dealing with with with with Jim pro racism and mentionings, 348 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 1: and you're dealing with you know, Nazis and all that 349 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:25,720 Speaker 1: and book burning, so that was kind of difficult. So 350 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:28,399 Speaker 1: at one point I met one of the cleaning ladies 351 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 1: and I was like, hey, would you mind like these 352 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:33,960 Speaker 1: for a couple of days. Yeah, and she's like, okay, cool. 353 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:36,359 Speaker 1: You know, we spoke, so we're good. But then the 354 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:38,119 Speaker 1: issue is that now you need to take out of 355 00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:39,879 Speaker 1: your trash and all that on your own, which I 356 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 1: don't mind, but then you realize there's not a lot 357 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:44,159 Speaker 1: of trash cans in a hotel, you know, so it 358 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:46,400 Speaker 1: becomes a bit of an issue. So at some point 359 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:48,119 Speaker 1: I need to clean the whole thing out and just 360 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:49,720 Speaker 1: ask her to clean my room again, and then I 361 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:52,720 Speaker 1: put again. So yeah, stuff like that. 362 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:57,640 Speaker 2: I think that's fascinating. I wonder can you tell our 363 00:18:57,680 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 2: listeners about origin. 364 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:00,880 Speaker 5: I do. 365 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 2: Know about it just because of the book. But why 366 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 2: is this film so important in your opinion? 367 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 1: Because it sheds light on how something like racism isn't 368 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 1: just racism, it's bigger. It happens in different ways and 369 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:27,720 Speaker 1: forms where people if for whatever reason, there are of 370 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:31,000 Speaker 1: a lower cast than you are, or in your society, 371 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:36,199 Speaker 1: they are seen as lower for whatever reason, you or 372 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 1: your people can be racist towards them, or you know, 373 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:44,439 Speaker 1: can discriminate against them, and everybody is liable and doing that. 374 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:47,920 Speaker 1: It happens all around us, and I think, especially as Americans, 375 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 1: we should watch it because there's not a big understanding 376 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:55,639 Speaker 1: of what happens outside of America, and it shows it 377 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 1: sheds light on how things that we know happen in 378 00:19:58,920 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 1: other places as well. 379 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 2: Considering you're a citizen of the world, and you and 380 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:08,399 Speaker 2: you and you live in very many places or a 381 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:13,919 Speaker 2: few places. How how does racism feel to you in America? 382 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 2: Is it overt have you experienced it? Do you notice it? 383 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 2: I don't know. 384 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:23,680 Speaker 1: I went to Savannah and I was, you know, I was, 385 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:28,639 Speaker 1: I was, I was at craft service, you know, when 386 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:30,760 Speaker 1: you're getting a snack in between. And there was another 387 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 1: black man there who was local, and we were just talking, 388 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:36,960 Speaker 1: like not from there, and he said, oh, and he said, 389 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:40,880 Speaker 1: you know, things can get racist in the South, and 390 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 1: and he was joking about how people aren't from there, 391 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 1: or especially people who are from abroad, don't realize how 392 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:49,639 Speaker 1: racist it can get. But we have an idea, but 393 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:53,679 Speaker 1: we don't fully realize, like, oh, that's interesting, you know. 394 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 1: But I'm not from the South, and and I've lived 395 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 1: in some bad neighbors even here. But actually I thought 396 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 1: there would be more racism that I would run into. 397 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 1: The only racism I've run into quite a few times 398 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:16,119 Speaker 1: is from other African Americans colorism. Where I was on 399 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:19,359 Speaker 1: the phone one speaking Dutch and this lady which she's like, 400 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:23,680 Speaker 1: excuse me, are you are you a person of color? 401 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:26,679 Speaker 1: Do you identify as a person of color? And I'm like, 402 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:29,440 Speaker 1: I've had that question more often, you know, or quite 403 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:33,199 Speaker 1: a few times. And that's like you see melanin in 404 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:37,359 Speaker 1: my skin, and then you're asking me if I see 405 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 1: that as well? Where if I walk around with that 406 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:42,920 Speaker 1: same melin, which I'm like, if I was white, you 407 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:45,000 Speaker 1: whenever asked me that question. So you see it at 408 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:48,199 Speaker 1: my skin, so you ask so I you know, and 409 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:50,680 Speaker 1: it's things like that, and it shows even. 410 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:53,960 Speaker 2: Do you get that a lot from other other black folks. 411 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:55,919 Speaker 2: Other black folks will say, so are you black? They 412 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:57,679 Speaker 2: ask you that specific question. 413 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:01,160 Speaker 1: They're black people all over the world. There are only 414 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:04,119 Speaker 1: African Americans in America. So my sense of being black 415 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 1: and my culture and and you know, being you know, 416 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:09,680 Speaker 1: from African to Aspera is different, so you want to 417 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 1: recognize as regardless. English is my second language, so I 418 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:15,960 Speaker 1: only learned how to speak it in one way. So 419 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:19,120 Speaker 1: the questions I'll get is like, you seem kind of unfamiliar. 420 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 1: You don't have flavor, you know, you lack things. I'm like, 421 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 1: because my flavor doesn't show up in the way I 422 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:25,360 Speaker 1: speak to you. 423 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 2: I have so many questions. Okay, so I want to 424 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 2: make sure I understand exactly what you're saying. 425 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 5: One last thing that I want to say, one thing. 426 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:36,880 Speaker 1: They'll compare me to other people that they know, like, yeah, 427 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 1: but that person you know does have flavoring, he's not 428 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 1: from America. 429 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:43,960 Speaker 5: I'm like, oh, those are Native speakers, other. 430 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 1: Black actor that you know. It's like, but those are yeah, 431 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:53,240 Speaker 1: but different the UK. Yeah, and their native speakers, so 432 00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:57,119 Speaker 1: you hear it in the way they speak. Does that 433 00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:57,639 Speaker 1: make sense? 434 00:22:58,119 --> 00:22:58,359 Speaker 3: No? 435 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:01,399 Speaker 2: Well no, because I'm trying to understand. So you're saying 436 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:07,439 Speaker 2: African Americans specifically ask you do you identify as a 437 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:10,200 Speaker 2: person of color? You've had that happen with other African Americans, 438 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:12,920 Speaker 2: not black folks, because black folks are everywhere, But you're saying, 439 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 2: blacks from America are the ones who ask you. 440 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:20,440 Speaker 1: Yes, there will be people in acting classes or work 441 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 1: or whatever. They'll be around me. So after a while 442 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 1: you get this question, Hey, you seem kind of unfamiliar. 443 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 5: You know, do you you know? Do you do you? 444 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:29,359 Speaker 5: You know? What? You can? 445 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:31,959 Speaker 1: We claim you you know? And then it's like do 446 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:35,800 Speaker 1: you do you date black women? Do you know? 447 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:37,480 Speaker 5: And and and can I think. 448 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:41,280 Speaker 2: Do you the black women? I don't know if they're 449 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:43,160 Speaker 2: asking you that because you're not from here. I think 450 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:45,160 Speaker 2: that's a question people just ask it to. 451 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:50,280 Speaker 5: Okay, wait, no, no, I used to get both, but 452 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:51,879 Speaker 5: it gets worse, it gets worse. 453 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:57,359 Speaker 2: So so so this is interesting to you when someone 454 00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:00,679 Speaker 2: asks you that, when I when I, when I African 455 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:03,840 Speaker 2: American will ask that question to you or some form 456 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 2: of that question for you, you consider that being racist? 457 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:11,840 Speaker 5: I don't. I don't. I try not. 458 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:14,439 Speaker 1: I've been through way worse racism than that, so it 459 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,639 Speaker 1: doesn't be I don't lose sleep over it, you know, 460 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 1: but I have an opinion about it. 461 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 2: Yes, Okay, that's fascinating, which is takes me back to 462 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 2: this film because I can't really I've traveled and I 463 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:30,680 Speaker 2: can't necessarily I've traveled the world, and I can't necessarily 464 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 2: think that I would ask you that question. Knowing you. 465 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 2: I would just be more curious about your background. If 466 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:40,840 Speaker 2: you speak five different languages, what your native and those 467 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 2: kind of questions I'm curious about. And I wonder if 468 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 2: that's what some people are asking you. But it's coming 469 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:52,120 Speaker 2: across as if like do you identify as black? You know? Well, 470 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:52,880 Speaker 2: you know what I mean. 471 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 5: I've had all of those. 472 00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:58,159 Speaker 1: And the thing is like I walk around with an 473 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:01,679 Speaker 1: American accent, so to certain extent, I walk around as 474 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:03,879 Speaker 1: a local. But they start noticing things like, you know, 475 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 1: the way I dress or some little things if you're 476 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 1: around me law and I'm like. 477 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 5: Hey, you seem kind of unfamiliar. But it goes further. 478 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:14,880 Speaker 1: Than that, like I've I've dated black women, and I've 479 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:18,440 Speaker 1: dated multiple races, you know. But but right now, my 480 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 1: girlfriend's Caucasian. And we went in Savannah, and we went 481 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,399 Speaker 1: on a tour, you know, and and she helped me 482 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:27,040 Speaker 1: prep the movie, and we went through all the backstory 483 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:30,600 Speaker 1: and all that, and and and and so in a 484 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:35,040 Speaker 1: sense she helped with tell this story and tell this narrative. 485 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:38,159 Speaker 1: So now we go on a tour around Savannah. What 486 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:40,359 Speaker 1: kind of tours are there, Well, there's a black history 487 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:42,480 Speaker 1: for it. Great, let's go on that. So we get 488 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:46,200 Speaker 1: on the bus. Right, here's me being you know, quite 489 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:50,159 Speaker 1: light skin or whatever, you know. In the summer, all 490 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:54,240 Speaker 1: look like your skin color. In the winter, I might 491 00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:58,720 Speaker 1: look like people need to ask me questions. Anyways, we 492 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:01,240 Speaker 1: got on this bus, she talked asient we step in 493 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 1: with the last ones to get in. The entire bus 494 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:06,960 Speaker 1: stares at us, all black families. They start at us. 495 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:10,720 Speaker 1: And I stepped back and this is like like a 496 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:13,520 Speaker 1: couple of seats in the back of the bus, right, 497 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:15,719 Speaker 1: so where eyeballing those seats? 498 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:17,880 Speaker 5: And I'm like, hmm, do I want to walk through 499 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:18,440 Speaker 5: the gauntlet? 500 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:21,360 Speaker 1: I'm like, no, so, and I looked to my right 501 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:23,639 Speaker 1: and there's two seats right next to me, and I'm like, 502 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,920 Speaker 1: sit down here, and she goes yeah, and we sit down, 503 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:29,600 Speaker 1: and then there's a lady in the back. 504 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:38,960 Speaker 5: Goes, you know, well, because you ain't the Rose Parks. No, yes, 505 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 5: she did. Yees she did? You know what I mean? 506 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:45,080 Speaker 5: And I like, it's like, I can I don't know. 507 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,520 Speaker 2: We grow up in these Okay, I get it, I 508 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:49,119 Speaker 2: get it, but first of all, you yeah. 509 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,360 Speaker 1: But was it wait wait wait, but was it towards 510 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 1: me or was it towards her? It was a week 511 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 1: can go there. 512 00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:57,680 Speaker 2: I think it was towards her. Yeah. You know what, though, 513 00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 2: can I say something? I know what you're saying, and 514 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,480 Speaker 2: this is a deeper conversation, which I you know, I man, 515 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:06,240 Speaker 2: this would be a whole conversation exactly. 516 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:08,640 Speaker 5: We could take this conversation a whole lot of way. 517 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:12,119 Speaker 2: I know what you're saying, and I identify because I 518 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:14,240 Speaker 2: am African American. I could hear that. I could hear 519 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:16,600 Speaker 2: the tone, I could feel the energy, the way you 520 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:19,679 Speaker 2: describe the bus, the eyeballs, the staring and if it 521 00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:23,719 Speaker 2: feels woefully uncomfortable. But the racism that we talk of 522 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 2: would be just in reverse. But we're just used to it. 523 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,800 Speaker 2: As I know as an African American, I'm used to it. 524 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:30,600 Speaker 2: I'm used to being the only black person in the 525 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:32,760 Speaker 2: room and then looking at me and staring at me. 526 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:34,480 Speaker 2: And it could be a couple of reasons. It could 527 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:35,959 Speaker 2: because I am the only black person in the room, 528 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,679 Speaker 2: because you know, they may say it could be all 529 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:41,840 Speaker 2: these different reasons. But we just moved through the world 530 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:45,680 Speaker 2: because that's just been our existence. And so I could 531 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:49,320 Speaker 2: see I could see you feeling some type of way 532 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:53,560 Speaker 2: and experiencing it differently, and I cannot fault or find 533 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:58,360 Speaker 2: fault with your experience. I think you, to me, from 534 00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:01,240 Speaker 2: what I've been able to ascertain, are smart enough to 535 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:03,359 Speaker 2: know where that's coming from and what it is you 536 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 2: know and how it Just the education, seriously, which is 537 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,280 Speaker 2: why I go back to origin. The education of who 538 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 2: we are and the through line is so very important. 539 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:20,160 Speaker 2: Did you win filming this? Have a lot of conversations 540 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:23,919 Speaker 2: with Ava. How were you selective for your role? And 541 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 2: please tell and please everybody what your role is actually. 542 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:33,960 Speaker 1: I played doctor Allison Davis, who, together with this team, 543 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:37,720 Speaker 1: went undercover in the Deep South Jim Crow South in 544 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:43,800 Speaker 1: the nineteen thirties to study race relations and to unearth 545 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 1: how black and white people down there deal with each other. 546 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,280 Speaker 1: And they wrote a study about it, published it, and 547 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:54,880 Speaker 1: this study influenced the likes of Malcolm X, Martinus King 548 00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 1: and all those very famous scholar and yeah, a lot 549 00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:00,200 Speaker 1: of it. 550 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 5: Man. 551 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:06,360 Speaker 1: I got booked because I was on Field of Walking Dead. 552 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:10,360 Speaker 1: I played a German character, and the man who played 553 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,840 Speaker 1: my husband, Coleman Domingo, was now nominated for an Oscar 554 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:20,240 Speaker 1: at dinner with Ava and he recommended me, and yeah, 555 00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:23,959 Speaker 1: and uh, and I had the audition and I had 556 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:27,120 Speaker 1: to do it over the weekend. It was, you know, hustle, hustle, hustle, 557 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 1: all kinds of things involved, heightened speech, complicated monologue, accent, physicality. 558 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,200 Speaker 1: I speak German, so that was the other thing as well. 559 00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:39,640 Speaker 5: She was looking for for a. 560 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:48,000 Speaker 1: Mixed race actor who could speak German, and I was 561 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,000 Speaker 1: playing that as well on the other shows, so that 562 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:53,680 Speaker 1: worked out. Yeah, and then at during the audition, also 563 00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:55,760 Speaker 1: speak German with an American accent. 564 00:29:56,040 --> 00:30:04,760 Speaker 2: And then you know, I love this. You're saying, that's 565 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,960 Speaker 2: really like, no big deal. I love this. I love 566 00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:12,680 Speaker 2: I love the story of you working with Coleman and 567 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:15,120 Speaker 2: Coleman recommending you while having dinner with Ava. You do 568 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:17,080 Speaker 2: an audition over the weekend, and it was meant to be. 569 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:21,200 Speaker 2: That's destined stuff I needed. I need a mixed looking 570 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:24,960 Speaker 2: actor who speaks German as well. Here he is actually 571 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:26,920 Speaker 2: I happen to know someone. He's right here and it's you. 572 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:29,280 Speaker 2: I am so happy for you. This is that is 573 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:32,840 Speaker 2: a beautiful to me. That is one of these stories 574 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:34,840 Speaker 2: where you're like, it was meant to be, it was mine, 575 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:36,400 Speaker 2: it was meant to be mine. 576 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:37,720 Speaker 5: I guess. 577 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,200 Speaker 1: So yeah, I think some of the roles. I think 578 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,160 Speaker 1: most roles you book. You're like, oh wait, this really 579 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:45,040 Speaker 1: had my name on it. But I will say it's not. 580 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:49,680 Speaker 1: I think Coleman recommending me. She asked, okay, cool, he 581 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 1: showed a picture. She was like, great, but does he 582 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:52,320 Speaker 1: know how to act? 583 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:52,920 Speaker 2: Yeah? 584 00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:57,600 Speaker 1: And then and he's he said he's got chops and 585 00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:59,720 Speaker 1: and no, but that part, I will say, like a 586 00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:04,520 Speaker 1: real he vouched for me, And I really appreciate that 587 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:07,320 Speaker 1: because that means that you can go on to the 588 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:09,840 Speaker 1: next set and act like a jerk or give it 589 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:10,400 Speaker 1: not your all. 590 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 5: I mean it's also but still yeah. 591 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:16,880 Speaker 2: But even also motiv Yeah, like you. Everyone put you in. 592 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:18,840 Speaker 2: Everyone knows aba you're not in her film if you 593 00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,200 Speaker 2: can't act. No one's thinking that you can't act a 594 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:25,400 Speaker 2: film at least because because her demand of excellence, you 595 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:29,280 Speaker 2: would think anyway. So I think that's beautiful. I love that. 596 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:33,080 Speaker 2: I love that storyline, and I love you explaining why 597 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:34,560 Speaker 2: this film is very important for. 598 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,560 Speaker 4: Every champion and carry Champion is to be a champion, 599 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:41,080 Speaker 4: a champion and carry Chappion and carried Chatya Champion and 600 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:42,840 Speaker 4: carried Chappion and Carrie. 601 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,520 Speaker 3: Chapy great, it's entertainment and make it work. 602 00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:55,040 Speaker 4: Very champion and carry Champion is to be a champion, 603 00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:58,440 Speaker 4: a champion and Carrie Chappi and the y a champion 604 00:31:58,480 --> 00:31:59,840 Speaker 4: and Carrie Chappion. 605 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:00,160 Speaker 3: And Carrie. 606 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:06,040 Speaker 2: Have you read the book? Have you read Isabelle Wilkerson's book. 607 00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:12,080 Speaker 2: It's so dense at the top, it was dense for me. Guys, 608 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:14,600 Speaker 2: listen you guys who were if you're listening to this, 609 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:17,680 Speaker 2: please go out and support and read this woman's story. 610 00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:22,160 Speaker 2: She's fascinating. But that is loosely, not even loosely. That 611 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,480 Speaker 2: is what the film is based off of her life story. 612 00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:27,280 Speaker 2: And I really I'm impressed by this woman and what 613 00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:31,360 Speaker 2: she's been able to accomplish. Race relations in this country 614 00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:33,440 Speaker 2: are so difficult. I feel like, especially as we go 615 00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:38,720 Speaker 2: into a an election year, people, this film is important. 616 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,360 Speaker 2: And I know Ava has said that on so many 617 00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:43,120 Speaker 2: different you know what I mean. 618 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:48,640 Speaker 1: There are things in that book that like, are people's feelings, 619 00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:52,320 Speaker 1: you know, that's not even that's the book and and 620 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:56,880 Speaker 1: and it's like the worst part is that's not is 621 00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:58,880 Speaker 1: a bill will persons a canyon. 622 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:03,520 Speaker 5: That's what came amount of research, Like, oh wow, that 623 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:07,160 Speaker 5: was true, sap. And I just did the audiobook, so 624 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:08,400 Speaker 5: that's a lot easier and quicker. 625 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so did I. But I kept rewinding. It 626 00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,280 Speaker 2: was a tough ass. But you're right, it's the research. 627 00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:15,520 Speaker 2: It's not It's not as if she said it's a 628 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:17,800 Speaker 2: When her when that book first came out, she knew 629 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,040 Speaker 2: it was going to be controversial, not so much what 630 00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,360 Speaker 2: she said, but what she was able to find. And 631 00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:26,600 Speaker 2: I remember a few people social media started to tweet 632 00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:30,640 Speaker 2: about what it meant or how other countries learned racism 633 00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,360 Speaker 2: from us from here in America and and it was 634 00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:35,280 Speaker 2: or and it's happening here. 635 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:36,800 Speaker 5: Yeah, people were. 636 00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:40,240 Speaker 2: So upset at that thought, but it's like we live 637 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:42,520 Speaker 2: in a in an age and why I said, I 638 00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:44,920 Speaker 2: think Origin is important to go see everyone. We live 639 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:47,000 Speaker 2: in an age where truth is imperative, Like you can't 640 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:50,120 Speaker 2: hide it anymore. It's too much information and it's available, 641 00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,840 Speaker 2: so we have to be able to process it and 642 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:57,600 Speaker 2: understand where we come from. Before before I wrap and 643 00:33:57,680 --> 00:33:59,640 Speaker 2: let you go, can you tell me about any new 644 00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:01,000 Speaker 2: project that you're working on. 645 00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:05,520 Speaker 1: I have a callback that I'm really excited about tomorrow, 646 00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:08,880 Speaker 1: so you know, if it's meant for me. Yeah, that's like, 647 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:14,400 Speaker 1: oh man, if that gets solidified and otherwise, you know, 648 00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:19,040 Speaker 1: I'm working on other things. Yeah, I have a singing showcase. 649 00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:21,200 Speaker 1: I'm not going to invite anybody. 650 00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:25,200 Speaker 2: Because I'm coming you guys, if you want to hear, 651 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:28,880 Speaker 2: gonna be where. 652 00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:34,200 Speaker 1: You're not. 653 00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:37,719 Speaker 5: Or whatever. Ok. 654 00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:42,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, Well you guys follow follow Easha on 655 00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:44,520 Speaker 2: Instagram and see if you post where he's going to 656 00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:46,759 Speaker 2: be singing at, because I will find out and I'm 657 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:51,960 Speaker 2: going to post for him. 658 00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:53,200 Speaker 5: Video. I don't know, We'll see, We'll see. 659 00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:56,280 Speaker 2: It'll be great. I love this. Each of the film 660 00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:59,160 Speaker 2: is the film is in theaters, It's Origin. Please go 661 00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:02,439 Speaker 2: out and support and and check out his work. I'm 662 00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:04,359 Speaker 2: sure some of you have already familiar with him. If 663 00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:07,839 Speaker 2: you watch Fear Walking Dead, I was not. I did 664 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:09,960 Speaker 2: not watch it. I have to apologize. Or if you saw, 665 00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:13,400 Speaker 2: you know, even if you saw Homecoming Medea. I just uh. 666 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:15,839 Speaker 2: I really am excited about your future and I'm glad 667 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:17,279 Speaker 2: that you were able to be a part of what 668 00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:18,719 Speaker 2: I think is an important piece of work. 669 00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:20,200 Speaker 5: Thank you so much. Kearn. 670 00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:24,279 Speaker 2: Hey, y'all, thank you so much for listening to this 671 00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:26,960 Speaker 2: edition of Naked Uh. I want you, guys to make 672 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:31,400 Speaker 2: sure you subscribe, you download, you leave great comments, you 673 00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:34,240 Speaker 2: tell your friends we appreciate your faithfulness here on Naked 674 00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:35,480 Speaker 2: Back next week.