Speaker 1: The guys from Ping.
Speaker 2: They've kind of showed me how much the equipment matters.
Speaker 1: I just love that I can hit any shot.
Speaker 2: I kind of want.
Speaker 3: We're gonna be able to tell some fun stories about
Speaker 3: what goes on here to help golfers play better golf.
Speaker 4: Hey, everybody, welcome back to another episode of the Ping
Speaker 4: Proving Grounds Podcast. I'm Shane Bak and joined us always
Speaker 4: by Marty Jerts and Marty. We've got a YouTube video
Speaker 4: out right now, competitive YouTube golf. Are we now YouTube golfers?
Speaker 3: Is that where we live?
Speaker 4: Are?
Speaker 3: Yeah? No, I think we're up there with some of
Speaker 3: the you know, the view counts going up. Shane and
Speaker 3: I don't know about you, but I've had a lot
Speaker 3: of feedback from some friends that have really enjoyed the content,
Speaker 3: and you know, I don't want to we don't want
Speaker 3: to tease what happens at the end there, but let's
Speaker 3: just say we had quite a competitive match out there
Speaker 3: at Estancia earlier this year.
Speaker 4: Yeah, shout out to James and the team. They did
Speaker 4: a great job of shooting it and the drone footage.
Speaker 4: I mean, Astoncia is one of the great desert golf
Speaker 4: courses in the world, not just in the state of Arizona.
Speaker 4: It's one of my favorite courses, if not my favoravorite
Speaker 4: course in the state of Arizona. And let me just
Speaker 4: say it photographs well and it drones well.
Speaker 3: It does. Yeah, it is. It is also the number
Speaker 3: one ranked course in Arizona, just head of Force Highlands Canyon,
Speaker 3: which is more of a more of a tree line
Speaker 3: course up north. But Stancy is quite a treat. That
Speaker 3: was a fun battle and for those of you that
Speaker 3: haven't watched it, i'd suggest going on there on there
Speaker 3: and watching it on YouTube.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's on the paying YouTube page. We'll add a
Speaker 4: link in the notes for this episode as well, so
Speaker 4: you could check that out. Today, Marty, we're gonna talk
Speaker 4: about Putters, which I think is the most excited I've
Speaker 4: been about talking about a golf club in the existence
Speaker 4: of this podcast. And we've got somebody awesome to chat
Speaker 4: with us, Marty. I'll give you the opportunity to introduce him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, mister Alex Web Alex, thanks for coming on the pod.
Speaker 3: Super excited to have you and talk about PLD Putters.
Speaker 3: I think what's what I'm very excited about what we've
Speaker 3: done with PLD over the last three, four or five years,
Speaker 3: Shane and Alex. You know, we'll deep dive on this topic.
Speaker 3: Is you know, we've kind of prided ourselves at Ping
Speaker 3: of making everything that the tour player can get access
Speaker 3: to available to the everyday golfer, and that's a big
Speaker 3: part of what we've done with PLD PLD custom is
Speaker 3: to pass along that personalization, that custom fitting aspect and
Speaker 3: making it available to everyday golfer. Alex been on our
Speaker 3: team as a fitter for quite some time and really
Speaker 3: hunkered down in going super deep on putter fitting, so
Speaker 3: he handles all of our PLD custom fittings that we
Speaker 3: do with his colleagues here at the Ping Proving Grounds. Alex,
Speaker 3: Welcome to the podcast and look forward to having a
Speaker 3: good chat with you.
Speaker 2: Awesome guys. Thank you so much for having me. Super
Speaker 2: excited to be here. Can't wait to talk about.
Speaker 1: Putters, Alex.
Speaker 4: I wanted to start with this, can you give people
Speaker 4: that don't know the history of PLD, because I think
Speaker 4: Ping putters in its history have been talked about a
Speaker 4: lot on this podcast, but I'm not sure people to
Speaker 4: grasp maybe how new PLD is to the world.
Speaker 1: Sure yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2: So PLD started around twenty and sixteen when Bubba Watson
Speaker 2: came to us wanting to design a custom, fully machined
Speaker 2: answer putter for himself, so he worked with our team,
Speaker 2: He worked with Tony Serrano to really get down to
Speaker 2: the specifics of exactly what he wanted to see out
Speaker 2: of this answer putter. So that was kind of the
Speaker 2: birth of PLD. From there, over the years, we worked
Speaker 2: with all the tour players or most of the tour
Speaker 2: players that were coming through to really hone into what
Speaker 2: we want PLD to be, and it's fully machined putters,
Speaker 2: really really focusing on the fine details of these putters,
Speaker 2: and it all started at the tour level, and then
Speaker 2: probably twenty twenty twenty one time period is when we
Speaker 2: started to really think about, hey, we should offer this
Speaker 2: two consumers, ramp up to provide these putters to consumers,
Speaker 2: and then all of this was in preparation for March
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two, and that's when we launched to the
Speaker 2: general public.
Speaker 3: PLD Custom awesome and Alex, just your own personal story
Speaker 3: on the fitting side. I mean, you came into ping
Speaker 3: as a fitter, and we trained our fitters and you
Speaker 3: have experience fitting all clubs in the bag. What was
Speaker 3: your gravity towards the putter space and the putter category?
Speaker 3: What makes you so interested and passionate about putters above
Speaker 3: and beyond all the other clubs in the bag?
Speaker 2: Well, growing up, I was always one of those gearheads.
Speaker 1: I always liked.
Speaker 2: The tinker, always liked to build different clubs, but putters
Speaker 2: was always special to my heart, pink putters especially. I
Speaker 2: had quite a few pink putters growing up, and I
Speaker 2: collected putters growing up as well, So putting, just in
Speaker 2: the sense of that was what I was most interested in.
Speaker 2: It's the club that's most used in the bag, and
Speaker 2: why not fit the club that's most used in the bag?
Speaker 3: Alex?
Speaker 4: What's the collection like now? I mean, you know, obviously
Speaker 4: I think you could. You probably get them for free.
Speaker 4: I'm sure you can, maybe, you know, put a couple
Speaker 4: in the car to go home and work through the process.
Speaker 4: What's your collection looking like these days?
Speaker 2: I probably have fifty to sixty putters on hand at
Speaker 2: any time. I do a lot of testing, but the
Speaker 2: majority of the PLD customs stay in house other than
Speaker 2: a couple that are my own. But yeah, yeah, it's
Speaker 2: a cycle. But I'm always big on sticking with one
Speaker 2: specific putter, one type of putter that fits my stroke,
Speaker 2: fits my game, and that's what I stick to.
Speaker 3: Alex. So, PLD, I think folks may have heard of PLD,
Speaker 3: which stands for Putting Lab Design. They've seen our logo
Speaker 3: out there, they've seen beautiful machine putters used by our
Speaker 3: tour players. Paint a little picture of the different, you know,
Speaker 3: variants of PLD. So you know PLD Custom, PLD milled,
Speaker 3: Special Edition, PLD. Can you give a little overview of
Speaker 3: the entire program and more folks can can go to
Speaker 3: get access to these different tiers of PLD.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, So let's start with PLD milled. PLD milled is
Speaker 2: going to be the putters that you can just purchase
Speaker 2: off the rack. You can go into your local golf shop,
Speaker 2: you can order it through any authorized ping account. Your
Speaker 2: big box stores are going to have PLD milled putters.
Speaker 1: These these are our.
Speaker 2: Retail putters that we have to offer, and from there
Speaker 2: we'll kind of branch into PLD milled Plus, we branch
Speaker 2: into the special editions, we branch into PLD Custom, But
Speaker 2: PLD milled Plus is kind of that next tier that
Speaker 2: next step up from PLD milled. They're also available at
Speaker 2: retail through authorized Ping retailers, and it kind of bridges
Speaker 2: that gap between PLD milled and PLD Custom. So PLD
Speaker 2: milled Plus we have five specific models that start blank.
Speaker 2: The head start blank. From an alignment standpoint, you can
Speaker 2: add all kinds of different alignment features. You can do
Speaker 2: engraving on some of the putters, you can do some
Speaker 2: lasering on the putters as well, So it's kind of
Speaker 2: jumps into that custom tier without going fully custom, which
Speaker 2: PLD Custom is. From PLD milled Plus, we go into
Speaker 2: PLD Special Edition or PLD milt Special Edition, which these
Speaker 2: are drop ins that we'll do to our accounts, so
Speaker 2: specific accounts will get these limited edition or special edition putters,
Speaker 2: will mill out a certain amount of them. This past
Speaker 2: year we did the Answer thirty. We did a hobby
Speaker 2: version of the Special Ed and so those are also
Speaker 2: available in a limited amount to our accounts or to
Speaker 2: purchase through our accounts. And then from there, next tier
Speaker 2: up is this PLD Custom, So PLD Custom is a
Speaker 2: fully customizable putter. First thing you do with that is
Speaker 2: you book on Ping pld dot com. Top right hand
Speaker 2: corner of pin pld dot com.
Speaker 1: There's a spot.
Speaker 2: Where you can dive into what ping pld custom actually
Speaker 2: is and to book appointments. So we do virtual and
Speaker 2: in person appointments for ping pld custom.
Speaker 4: Alex, buddy of mine Mike, did the custom fitting on
Speaker 4: the app and we played in rain the other day
Speaker 4: and he brought a backup putter out because he didn't
Speaker 4: want is his custom PILDD deal with. He was like,
Speaker 4: this is going to be my backup. It was a
Speaker 4: pin putter as well, but he said, my custom PLD
Speaker 4: is perfect condition putter. Like that's how much he loves
Speaker 4: his custom putter and how much he appreciates it.
Speaker 1: That's awesome, very very cool.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so PLD customer, Alex, that's where you can do
Speaker 3: literally kind of whatever you want, right, And let's let's
Speaker 3: talk a little bit about that experience. So somebody could
Speaker 3: come into the lab and why don't you just start
Speaker 3: there talking about a little bit of the difference in
Speaker 3: the process what somebody will go through whether they come
Speaker 3: into the proving grounds into the lab here to go
Speaker 3: through their fitting experience and work directly with you, Colton
Speaker 3: and the team, versus what does that experience look like remotely,
Speaker 3: if somebody can't make it into Phoenix, how do we
Speaker 3: service them and provide some great service during that PLD
Speaker 3: custom experience.
Speaker 1: Awesome?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so PINGPLD dot com. You book on the website,
Speaker 2: you can book virtual or you can book in person.
Speaker 2: So the in person you get the full experience.
Speaker 1: So we we.
Speaker 2: Pride ourselves on treating you like a tour pro, going
Speaker 2: through the same exact process that a tour.
Speaker 1: Pro is going to go through. So we start in.
Speaker 2: The putting lab, will collect some data, will take some video,
Speaker 2: and we usually try to start with the player's gamer putter.
Speaker 2: If they have the ability to bring their gamer putter,
Speaker 2: that gives us a baseline for that. So we're using
Speaker 2: ipin two point zero to collect data, which is a
Speaker 2: proprietary app that we designed in house. It's measuring the forces,
Speaker 2: the torques, the accelerations that the player's applying to the putter.
Speaker 1: It kicks back a lot of data to us.
Speaker 2: A PGA pro, LPGA Cornferry, any of the pros that
Speaker 2: come through go through the same thing. We put them
Speaker 2: on Iping two point zero as well. We take the
Speaker 2: video work to kind of hone in on iline on
Speaker 2: link the putter to make sure that li angle's good
Speaker 2: on that. So we'll start by collecting the data or
Speaker 2: the club data using ipling two point zero. From there
Speaker 2: we'll transition to Quintech. Quintech's a ball data system that
Speaker 2: we use where we can collect ball data to analyze
Speaker 2: the role of the ball. And then we do a
Speaker 2: lot of work outside as well. We have a green outside.
Speaker 2: After we've kind of dialed in in the putting lab,
Speaker 2: will transition to the outside experience and really fine tuned
Speaker 2: the loft, the lie on the putter, look at people's
Speaker 2: breaking putts, you know if they have or if they
Speaker 2: have struggles with right to left, left, the right potts,
Speaker 2: really taking a look at that speed control. And that's
Speaker 2: the process with the in person is you get the
Speaker 2: full go the tour experience. We're diving into everything that
Speaker 2: we possibly can as far as the virtual fitting goes.
Speaker 2: You sign up for the virtual fitting. When you sign
Speaker 2: up for the virtual fitting, you get a zoom link,
Speaker 2: so it's a zoo link for the customer that's linked
Speaker 2: to my personal or Colden Tunnel. He's our other PLD
Speaker 2: Master fitter two hour calendars and that triggers the welcome
Speaker 2: kit process. So what we do from there is we'll
Speaker 2: send out a welcome kit to the consumer. This kit
Speaker 2: goes out approximately ten to twelve days before they're virtual fitting.
Speaker 2: Inside the welcome kit's going to be an iPod touch,
Speaker 2: a pin cradle, so an iPod cradle, and a putting disc.
Speaker 2: Once you power that iPod touch on, it's going to
Speaker 2: walk you through the process. We have a different version
Speaker 2: of iping that's built into these iPod touches that's extremely
Speaker 2: streamlined and it just walks you through the process. So
Speaker 2: from there, the person is going to clip it to
Speaker 2: their putter. They're going to go through three sessions of
Speaker 2: five put seeds, so they'll take fifteen total putts, and
Speaker 2: at the very end of those three sessions, it's going
Speaker 2: to be submit to ping. It says submit to ping.
Speaker 2: It comes directly two hour inbox. So we have that
Speaker 2: data and from there we can create a really nice
Speaker 2: presentation where we can go over all of that data
Speaker 2: with the consumers. We can talk about the forces, the torques,
Speaker 2: the accelerations that they're applying to the putter. We spend
Speaker 2: the first half of the virtual fitting doing that. The
Speaker 2: second half we go through the putters that we have available,
Speaker 2: and we're mentioning the best putters that that we think
Speaker 2: that fit their stroke based off of the data that's collected.
Speaker 4: Marty is is ping, Like, does ping run ninety five
Speaker 4: percent of the iPod touches in the world now.
Speaker 3: I think we do.
Speaker 4: I just want to I'm wondering what other business still
Speaker 4: uses iPod touches. I did Virtual Alex probably a year
Speaker 4: and a half ago, and it popped in that it
Speaker 4: came out of the box of like the iPod Touch. Man,
Speaker 4: I haven't seen one of these couple of years.
Speaker 3: It was kind of like a throwback.
Speaker 4: But I mean, I like, I've done both Alex, I've
Speaker 4: done virtual, I've done in person, and you get similar data.
Speaker 4: You get similar numbers if you do it at home
Speaker 4: yourself or obviously if you get a chance to come in.
Speaker 4: You've talked a little bit about what you're looking at
Speaker 4: when you're diving into a player's stroke, Can you just
Speaker 4: expand a little bit more on that, Like what's the
Speaker 4: data you're pulling from, you know, the thirty minutes or
Speaker 4: an hour you're spending with the player?
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely so.
Speaker 2: Ipaying measures five different metrics The first one's closing angle
Speaker 2: was just just the amount of rotation that the player's
Speaker 2: applying from the top of their backstroke to impact, So
Speaker 2: that's really going to help us diagnose what type of
Speaker 2: stroke type we need to fit a player into. The
Speaker 2: next metric is impact angle. This is just a relative
Speaker 2: measurement from where they are at set up with the
Speaker 2: putter face versus where they are at impact with the
Speaker 2: putter face. So this really lets us know where the
Speaker 2: face is is relative to where they set up, and
Speaker 2: this can let us know how a player aims the
Speaker 2: putter and that can also lead into further conversations once
Speaker 2: we get deeper into the process about alignment as well.
Speaker 2: Next one would be tempo, So that's just measuring the
Speaker 2: backstroke time divided by the forward stroke time it kicks
Speaker 2: back a ratio kicks back an overall stroke time as well.
Speaker 2: Tempo really helps us dive into the.
Speaker 1: Headweight of a putter.
Speaker 2: Everybody has different has a different tempo, and if everybody
Speaker 2: has a different tempo, then we can kind of target
Speaker 2: different headweights with those different individuals. From there, we're looking
Speaker 2: at the impact li angle, So this is just measuring
Speaker 2: the li angle. The putter at impact, and that kind
Speaker 2: of helps us diagnose whether we need to take a
Speaker 2: putter flatter, we need to take it more upright, or.
Speaker 1: If it's just good to go.
Speaker 2: And then the last category that we look at, or
Speaker 2: the last metric that we look at, is going to
Speaker 2: be shaft clean at impact. So this is if somebody
Speaker 2: has the shaft clean forward, hands forward, de lofting the putter,
Speaker 2: it's back adding additional loft.
Speaker 1: Or if you're neutral.
Speaker 2: What this does is this really helps us dial in
Speaker 2: the loft or the dynamic loft of a putter for
Speaker 2: that player. So we're looking at those key five metrics,
Speaker 2: and then with the virtual process, it's a conversation as well.
Speaker 2: We're getting to know these players. We're asking them about
Speaker 2: their tendencies of their game, of their putting stroke, and
Speaker 2: then that can kind of help us get to the
Speaker 2: end goal of having a putter that's perfectly fit or
Speaker 2: very very close to be perfectly fit for them.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think that what's fun OLEX is that the
Speaker 3: folks going through PLD custom at home, we are it's
Speaker 3: you know, I've seen some other fitting processes where you
Speaker 3: just take a video of your stroke or do something
Speaker 3: like that, right, we're actually taking these It's kind of
Speaker 3: like getting a live m on your putting stroke, right,
Speaker 3: so that that face angle or stroke type that we
Speaker 3: have in there is a proxy for how much torque
Speaker 3: somebody or twisting about the shaft that somebody's putting on
Speaker 3: that putter. Right. And then you talked about tempo and
Speaker 3: total time. I think these are a couple things that
Speaker 3: even the most astute fitter has a hard time seeing
Speaker 3: with the naked eye, right. So, I think a big
Speaker 3: challenge in putter fitting, club fitting in general is when
Speaker 3: do you need to bring in some outside technology to
Speaker 3: measure these things that you could not other that you
Speaker 3: might be misleading if you look at them with the
Speaker 3: naked eye. Right. So, Alex, talk a little bit about,
Speaker 3: you know, what any trends you've seen there on the
Speaker 3: tempo side and total time? You know, have you seen
Speaker 3: folks that have a fast total time but a slow
Speaker 3: tempo ratio or a slow total time and a fast
Speaker 3: tempo ratio? What have you seen in that little nuance
Speaker 3: and and how does that inform where you go with
Speaker 3: that player from a headwaight or other putter characteristic standpoint.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, so Ipin kicks back a ratio. We'll start
Speaker 2: with the ratio average ratio, and iping is one point
Speaker 2: eight to two point two if we meet right in
Speaker 2: the middle two point zero, so a two to one ratio.
Speaker 2: So that can kind of help us diagnose whether that
Speaker 2: player is maybe slightly more abrupt or slightly more deliberate
Speaker 2: with their stroke. But another thing iping also provides us
Speaker 2: is total time. It provides us total time but also
Speaker 2: their backstroke and forward stroke time. So we usually try
Speaker 2: to use about one thousand to one thousand and fifty
Speaker 2: milliseconds as a baseline. That's a standard stroke time. It's neutral,
Speaker 2: its average, it's not fast, it's not slow. And let's
Speaker 2: say ipin kicks back a two point four ratioh and
Speaker 2: a twelve hundred on the overall stroke time. Well, what
Speaker 2: that's letting us know is now that player has a
Speaker 2: slightly slower or more deliberate stroke, and we see that
Speaker 2: in the data. And if we see that in the data,
Speaker 2: we now know that like, hey, okay, they have a
Speaker 2: slightly slower, more deliberate stroke, we probably need to go
Speaker 2: with something maybe slightly heavier for stability purposes, or let's
Speaker 2: say it's the exact opposite to where it kicks back
Speaker 2: one point seven, one point eight ratio, something a little
Speaker 2: bit on the faster side. The overall stroke time is
Speaker 2: eight hundred and fifty nine hundred milliseconds. Well, now we
Speaker 2: know that that player has a slightly faster or more
Speaker 2: abrupt stroke, and I'm probably not leaning towards a heavy
Speaker 2: mallet with that style of player.
Speaker 1: I'm leaning toward wide.
Speaker 2: Body, blade blade style, something lighter.
Speaker 3: Oh that's super interesting because I think of some golfers
Speaker 3: may have heard, or even fitters out there may have heard.
Speaker 3: You know, two to one is two or average. Therefore
Speaker 3: I need to try to get my player to two
Speaker 3: to one tempo ratio. From a teaching or instruction standpoint,
Speaker 3: but from a fitting and fitting science standpoint, we were
Speaker 3: using total time and tempo ratio to really match players
Speaker 3: to the specific headway. Alex, what about face angle? So
Speaker 3: we have a delivered face angle, So that's like where
Speaker 3: the face is delivered relative to the setup is a
Speaker 3: metric in iping? Are we trying to get players to
Speaker 3: be zeroed out like so to aim and also deliver
Speaker 3: the face at zero or have you've seen good players
Speaker 3: have a consistent open or closed bias and if so,
Speaker 3: by how much.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So, this is definitely not a category where we're trying
Speaker 2: to zero out a player. I tell everybody this when
Speaker 2: they come in, and if you're negative, if you're positive,
Speaker 2: if you're zeroed out. The biggest thing with this is
Speaker 2: I'm focusing on consistency. If you're going to be negative
Speaker 2: seven tenths of a degree closed at impact, I want you.
Speaker 1: To do it over and over and over again. I
Speaker 1: want it to be consistent.
Speaker 2: Typically for a right handed player, if we see a
Speaker 2: negative number, it kind of leads us to believe that
Speaker 2: that right handed player could be a touch of a
Speaker 2: right aimer, and then to get back to square at impact,
Speaker 2: they have to come in slightly closed and then opposite
Speaker 2: for the positive number as well. If it's positive point
Speaker 2: five or plus zero point five on the impact angle,
Speaker 2: it usually lets us know that that player is potentially
Speaker 2: a little bit of a left aimer. But we tell
Speaker 2: everybody we're not trying to zero you out with this.
Speaker 2: It's consistency. The majority of the pros that come through,
Speaker 2: the majority of the pros that we work with, or
Speaker 2: plus or minus something. It is pretty rare to be
Speaker 2: zeroed doubt on this and whether we do it consciously
Speaker 2: or unconsciously, the stroke is going to correct foreign aim
Speaker 2: bias one way or the other.
Speaker 4: Alex, is anybody zero like you mentioned, few people are
Speaker 4: zeroed out? Is there anybody on staff that gets to zero?
Speaker 4: Like anybody that you know is consistently on that number?
Speaker 1: Not that I can think of off the top of
Speaker 1: my head, Marty.
Speaker 3: Maybe I try to be I'm always striving for it.
Speaker 3: I'm looking.
Speaker 4: I'm looking for that Alex when you're when you're fitting someone.
Speaker 4: I think about this a lot with fitting in general.
Speaker 4: But when you're fitting somebody for a putter, they're aiming right,
Speaker 4: they're aiming left, They're doing little things that you guys
Speaker 4: are finding out either by the eye or by this test.
Speaker 4: How much are you leaning on putting them in the
Speaker 4: right putter versus maybe letting them know something they're doing
Speaker 4: wrong because you're not in it necessarily, an you're not
Speaker 4: in their instructor, you're not their teacher, right, but there
Speaker 4: are little things you can help correct them when you
Speaker 4: see all this data come back your ways. So how
Speaker 4: do you balance that? It seems like it'd be a
Speaker 4: tough thing to kind of balance an obvious. It takes
Speaker 4: years of experience to get really comfortable in.
Speaker 2: That sure and that's one of those things where you
Speaker 2: have to skate that fine line of teaching and fitting.
Speaker 2: The majority of the people that are coming in they're
Speaker 2: looking for a fitting, and it's my goal to fit
Speaker 2: them into the best putter possible for the stroke that
Speaker 2: they're bringing. Now, we see from time to time where
Speaker 2: somebody might have a significant amount of ford shaft line,
Speaker 2: and at that point, the first thing I'm doing is
Speaker 2: taking a look at.
Speaker 1: Their ball position.
Speaker 2: They might be too far back in the stands and okay,
Speaker 2: now we have a lot of ford shaft lien. Hey,
Speaker 2: let's kick that ball up, you know, a ball, a
Speaker 2: ball and a half forward in the stands, and let's
Speaker 2: see what that does to the shaft lien. Not always
Speaker 2: the case that it's going to automatically change it, but
Speaker 2: we'll make small little tweaks or small little suggestions from
Speaker 2: a setup standpoint that can potentially get this player to
Speaker 2: a better spot or have a more consistent stroke.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Alex, I want to kind of shift gears a
Speaker 3: little bit to alignment markings. Right, So we talked about aim.
Speaker 3: We're not necessarily trying to get folks to get the
Speaker 3: face back zeroed out relative to where they aim. We've
Speaker 3: seen good players, players of all different skill levels, maybe
Speaker 3: aim a little off and their stroke kind of gets
Speaker 3: it back to get that putter face online to their
Speaker 3: intended start line. What about alignment markings, We have a
Speaker 3: lot of offerings. If we look at PLD custom you
Speaker 3: can kind of do whatever you want. If you look
Speaker 3: at mill plus you have some customizations options there with
Speaker 3: the alignment markings. You know, what type of player finds
Speaker 3: themselves in a dot on the top rail, no alignment
Speaker 3: marking at all on an answer putter versus lines that
Speaker 3: frame the ball versus a line in the cavity. What
Speaker 3: does that process look like and what trends are you
Speaker 3: seeing from that perspective? And do you use how a
Speaker 3: player or maybe what golf ball and ballmarking they use
Speaker 3: to inform that process?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Absolutely so.
Speaker 2: The first thing I always ask when we start talking
Speaker 2: about alignment is how do they line their put up?
Speaker 2: Do they have a line on the ball, do they
Speaker 2: use the markings on the ball. Are they pointing that
Speaker 2: line or are they pointing that marking at a target?
Speaker 2: Are they pointing it at the whole. It's just trying
Speaker 2: to figure out the tendencies of this player, how they align.
Speaker 2: And we'll see a lot of times where people might
Speaker 2: be spot aimers. It's like, Okay, I'm aiming to a
Speaker 2: spot that's three foot in front of the ball, and
Speaker 2: I line that line up to that. Well, that's where
Speaker 2: it could be beneficial to have a top rail line
Speaker 2: because now that top rail line acts as an extension
Speaker 2: from the line on the ball, and now we can
Speaker 2: point that top rail line at our target. Same thing
Speaker 2: with flange line as well. It's just you have that
Speaker 2: slight separation the two. But then we'll get a lot
Speaker 2: of players that are face aimers versus people who are
Speaker 2: aiming alignment lines, who are aiming the logos on the
Speaker 2: ball at the target. So for the face aimer players,
Speaker 2: usually that's where I'll lean more towards the dot or
Speaker 2: even the top rail line, just because that gives us
Speaker 2: a centering point. We have a centering point with the
Speaker 2: back of the ball. Now we can aim the face
Speaker 2: at that centering point, and ball with features can.
Speaker 1: Really help out with that as well.
Speaker 2: So if you have a potter that has really nice
Speaker 2: ball with features that are built into it.
Speaker 1: Whether we've cut.
Speaker 2: Ball with lines or not, we have that dot on
Speaker 2: the top and we just have a lot of things
Speaker 2: that can help us frame the ball center with the
Speaker 2: back of the ball, and from there we're just aiming
Speaker 2: the face at the target that we've picked out.
Speaker 4: I mean, Marty, this is such a big part of
Speaker 4: modern golf is the you know, you think about the
Speaker 4: golf balls that have come out over the last few years.
Speaker 4: Right on You've gone from the original pro v that
Speaker 4: I don't think had lines on it, to then having lines,
Speaker 4: and then now the golf balls have triple tracks. You know,
Speaker 4: there's so much alignment out there for the player. And
Speaker 4: I'm a player that doesn't like the lines.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: I'm a guy that I like to set it up
Speaker 4: where I see the name of the golf ball kind
Speaker 4: of facing me straight up because I get a little
Speaker 4: too technical when I'm trying to get the line of
Speaker 4: my putter on the line of the golf ball and
Speaker 4: then I'm trying to hit. I almost feel like I'm
Speaker 4: trying to hit the perfect putt versus like letting my
Speaker 4: feel take over. I think this is something that people
Speaker 4: have to figure out almost before they even do a
Speaker 4: fitting is how best do I see a putt? How
Speaker 4: much does the putt make sense to me when I'm
Speaker 4: thinking about where to aim? How far out to go?
Speaker 1: Am I a feel putter?
Speaker 4: I mean, these are things that I think are important
Speaker 4: to kind of go over yourself.
Speaker 3: It's almost party.
Speaker 4: It's your MRI analogy you made earlier. It's like people
Speaker 4: get nervous about AMRI. They get nervous about fitting at
Speaker 4: times as well. But it's going over some of the
Speaker 4: things you can go over your before you go into
Speaker 4: the process, so you can actually answer some of these questions.
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, I think how you mark your golf ball,
Speaker 3: what works good for you, and we and we could
Speaker 3: sort of as part of PLD will will help evaluate
Speaker 3: that for you. You know, maybe somebody struggles with start
Speaker 3: line on short puts only start line is more important
Speaker 3: than speed on short putts. Maybe you want to use
Speaker 3: a line on your ball on short putts and have
Speaker 3: a model that can help you with that there. But
Speaker 3: let you be more speed speed focus feel focus on
Speaker 3: the longer puts because that priority of speed to face
Speaker 3: angle kind of changes depending on the putts. So that's
Speaker 3: I think a big part of what Alex and his
Speaker 3: team does is understand that if you're a golfer that
Speaker 3: keeps diligent stats on your putting, maybe through Arcos or
Speaker 3: another stats tracking tool or your own little system, certainly
Speaker 3: bring those into the putting putter fitting process because we're
Speaker 3: gonna want to understand that, you know, not not only
Speaker 3: does your memory think maybe your recency by think that
Speaker 3: you struggle on longer putts because you just three putted
Speaker 3: the last hole you know they was an important match
Speaker 3: or something, but is that persistent over time? You know?
Speaker 3: And I think that's something really fun. We get access
Speaker 3: to in the shot Link data from the tour players,
Speaker 3: but we want to be able to pass that level
Speaker 3: of service to the to the everyday golfer. And yeah,
Speaker 3: it's been fun to see all the different markings on
Speaker 3: golf balls. And speaking of golf balls, we in the
Speaker 3: Lab Alex have pretty much every majority of the most
Speaker 3: popular golf balls out there because part of Balnamic Shane
Speaker 3: that you know, is we ask for your feel sound
Speaker 3: preference with the golf ball on short game. You know,
Speaker 3: we've we've both hit balls that you can barely hear
Speaker 3: them when you putt, and the others that are louder
Speaker 3: and clickier. Now, a big part of the nuance of
Speaker 3: the perfect putter, which appeld custom is all about, is
Speaker 3: getting the acoustics dialed in. So, Alex, let's dive into
Speaker 3: sound feel, how a player's golf ball might inform that
Speaker 3: and what are some of the tech chniques we can
Speaker 3: use with milling patterns, et cetera to inform and influence
Speaker 3: that through the POD process. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, So it's we always ask the player what golf
Speaker 2: ball they're playing, and we you're right, we keep a
Speaker 2: quite a few of the most popular brands in the lab,
Speaker 2: different covers, whether it's something softer, something firmer, and if
Speaker 2: we don't ad the ball after the fact, we usually
Speaker 2: go out and get it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but Alex, you can't ask Marty that question, by
Speaker 4: the way, it be like a twenty minute answer if
Speaker 4: you said, Marty, golf ball play to go? What month
Speaker 4: is it?
Speaker 3: What the wind? But uh, go ahead out. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So that's the first thing we always ask when they
Speaker 2: come in the lab is what golf ball are you playing?
Speaker 2: Because that's going to dictate or help us determine what
Speaker 2: milling pattern.
Speaker 1: We need to do.
Speaker 2: On the face of the butter or what milling pattern
Speaker 2: the player might like on the face, and the butter
Speaker 2: feel and sound is extremely important and putting, and we
Speaker 2: have different milling patterns, different milling depths that we can
Speaker 2: achieve on these PLD custom putters to help provide positive acoustics,
Speaker 2: positive feedback to the players and what they want to hear.
Speaker 1: So the smoother you.
Speaker 2: Go on the face, the clickier the sound's going to be,
Speaker 2: the more feedback you're going to get. And then we
Speaker 2: offer smooth, shallow, deep milling. We also have some horizontal
Speaker 2: milling that we can do on the faces as well.
Speaker 2: But if we're looking at just the smooth face, completely
Speaker 2: smooth firnest off the face, the most feedback, so the
Speaker 2: most click.
Speaker 1: As we get to the.
Speaker 2: Shallow mill, it's a little bit softer.
Speaker 1: Than your smooth face.
Speaker 2: It's a little bit of a more muted sound to it,
Speaker 2: but you still get feedback, you still get some click
Speaker 2: to it. As we start to transition into that deeper milling,
Speaker 2: that more aggressive milling on the face, it's a little
Speaker 2: bit softer off the face. But the thing that most
Speaker 2: players notice is the sound difference, because sound and feel
Speaker 2: go hand in hand. With the deeper milling, it tends
Speaker 2: to be a little bit more of a thuddier sound,
Speaker 2: so a little bit deeper sound. If we hear something
Speaker 2: that's a little bit deeper or something that's a little
Speaker 2: bit thuddier, we're automatically going to think that it's a
Speaker 2: little bit softer off the face as well. And one
Speaker 2: thing with the milling pattern, and this is something that
Speaker 2: we've tested over time, is there's not necessarily a performance
Speaker 2: difference between smooth and deep. From a rollout perspective, they're
Speaker 2: very very similar. A lot of this is just going
Speaker 2: to be player preference. So if you prefer to hear
Speaker 2: something more muted, feel something a little bit softer, that's
Speaker 2: when we go with more of that deeper or more
Speaker 2: aggressive milling. But if you're somebody that likes to hear
Speaker 2: a lot of feedback or wants to hear here's some
Speaker 2: click sound, that's when we start to move more towards
Speaker 2: the shallow or the smooth face.
Speaker 3: Alex, you talked earlier on about Bubba being kind of
Speaker 3: the origin of the PLD journey for us, and which
Speaker 3: one of the milling patterns that we use do we
Speaker 3: call the Bubba groove. That's what we've always called it
Speaker 3: for slang here, right.
Speaker 2: So the Bubba groove would be a horizontal milling, and
Speaker 2: there's a couple different versions of this. Hovelin has the
Speaker 2: same thing. So Hovelin has a ball with horizontal milling
Speaker 2: on the face. It's about four to five thousands deep
Speaker 2: on the face. And if you're comparing that to the
Speaker 2: circular milling that we offer, circular milling, the shallow mill
Speaker 2: is going to be four thousands deep on the face.
Speaker 2: So those feel and sound very very similar. Same thing
Speaker 2: with the Bubba groove. The Bubba groove's going to be
Speaker 2: about that four to five thousands deep on the face,
Speaker 2: and his are full face horizontal.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So we can use that ball with milling for
Speaker 3: a golfer who's either left eye dominant, depend on how
Speaker 3: they set up. They can see the loft on the face,
Speaker 3: see the face a little bit, and that can help
Speaker 3: them frame the golf ball a little bit as well.
Speaker 1: Alex correct.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, we always ask eye dominance as well, whether somebody's
Speaker 2: right or left eye dominant.
Speaker 1: It's kind of.
Speaker 2: A gray area for us, but there is some of
Speaker 2: it that plays into it, especially from an alignment and
Speaker 2: an offset standpoint.
Speaker 4: Alex, are we talking millions of options in terms of customization?
Speaker 4: I mean, is it infinite? Like, do you have an
Speaker 4: idea of what the number be in terms of how
Speaker 4: much you could customize your PLD.
Speaker 2: It's a lot. We try to provide as much as possible.
Speaker 2: And if it's something that we haven't done before, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna ask about it. Okay, So if a customer wants
Speaker 2: this type of alignment versus this type of milling versus
Speaker 2: this type of engraving, and we haven't done it before, absolutely,
Speaker 2: I'm going.
Speaker 1: To inquire about it. If we can do it, We're
Speaker 1: going to do it.
Speaker 3: Alex, tell us about a time, you know, you know,
Speaker 3: you Colton and in our team here at the proving grounds,
Speaker 3: it's work with players day in and day out on
Speaker 3: these most nuanced topics and preferences. Tell us about a
Speaker 3: time where we've identified maybe a gap in our product offerings. Right,
Speaker 3: so you're seeing a certain trend or tendency or something
Speaker 3: in the lab that we've kind of turned into a
Speaker 3: product offering. You know, where we've seen a gap in
Speaker 3: one of these attributes. It's so important to putter performance.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we actually noticed something within the past couple
Speaker 2: of years and introduced to special edition putter this past
Speaker 2: year to fill this gap. So if we're looking at
Speaker 2: iping data, we have millions and millions of data points
Speaker 2: in ipaying, so we're able to identify what's the most
Speaker 2: the most closing angle, the least amount of closing angle,
Speaker 2: how many people fit into certain types of closing angles.
Speaker 2: And we notice that with the slight arc category that
Speaker 2: we had the answer potter, which is going to hang
Speaker 2: or have forty forty three forty two degrees of toehang
Speaker 2: to it. And then from there we go down to
Speaker 2: face balance options or a double bend shaft with a
Speaker 2: slight amount of toe hag.
Speaker 1: So there's a gap there.
Speaker 2: So we go from zero amount of toe hag all
Speaker 2: the way up to forty plus amount of toe haang
Speaker 2: and where's the in between there? So what we did
Speaker 2: is we created the answer thirty, which sits right in
Speaker 2: between that. So your traditional answer hangs the forty forty
Speaker 2: two to forty three degrees, We go to the face
Speaker 2: balance potter that's at zero, and then we have the
Speaker 2: answer thirty. The reason why we call an answer thirty
Speaker 2: it is because it hangs at thirty degrees.
Speaker 1: So if we look.
Speaker 2: At this from a rotation standpoint, and if we're identifying like, okay,
Speaker 2: five point five degrees six degrees of rotation in iping,
Speaker 2: is an answer style putter three point five is to
Speaker 2: cut off for that straight stroke? What about those players
Speaker 2: that sit around four degrees of rotation three point seven
Speaker 2: degrees of rotation? Where do those players fit in? What
Speaker 2: type of putter can we provide to them? And that's
Speaker 2: where the answer thirty came in is because we had
Speaker 2: that gap and we wanted to fill that gap.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean, is that where most models come from,
Speaker 4: Alex the idea of filling a gap because you know, Marty,
Speaker 4: Marty's building new drivers. Mary's Marty's leaning into the technology
Speaker 4: to come up with the latest and greatest that's going
Speaker 4: to go a lot, little bit longer, a little bit
Speaker 4: straighter for the player, and he's going to kind of
Speaker 4: test those numbers and test those limits. How does it
Speaker 4: go in terms of introducing new putters. Is it just
Speaker 4: simply we don't have a putter model for this space
Speaker 4: and we need one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, and yeah absolutely. So with that we had
Speaker 2: a gap there, we needed to fill that gap.
Speaker 1: We filled that gap.
Speaker 2: Another way that we figure out if we need new models,
Speaker 2: if we need to maybe tweak this model here and there.
Speaker 2: It's just working with our tour players. They're very, very
Speaker 2: valuable to us and what they want to see. Where
Speaker 2: we can go from a design perspective, what gaps need
Speaker 2: to be filled, Like if we have this player. Let's
Speaker 2: take camp Champ for instance, and he's one of the
Speaker 2: reasons why we made the answer thirty putter is because
Speaker 2: he's not in the straight stroke, but he's not full
Speaker 2: slide arc. He has some rotation in his stroke, but
Speaker 2: he kind of floats in between those two. So we
Speaker 2: needed to fill that gap. That's why we created the
Speaker 2: answer thirty. And we get a lot of feedback from
Speaker 2: our tour players what they want to see. The answer
Speaker 2: too deep utter is a fine example or a good
Speaker 2: example of that. We worked with Tony fenw on that putter.
Speaker 2: That putter was designed for him. We made it our
Speaker 2: goal to design a putter that looked good to his
Speaker 2: eye but also performed how a tour level putter should perform.
Speaker 2: So we worked hand in hand with Tony to design
Speaker 2: to answer two D. Same thing with Victor Hoblin and
Speaker 2: the DS seventy two putter. That putter was designed for him.
Speaker 2: He worked with our team. He worked with Tony Serrano
Speaker 2: to design this putter. So a lot of it starts
Speaker 2: from the tour level, where we get the feedback from
Speaker 2: the guys out on tour, the tour pros out on tour,
Speaker 2: and then it just kind of filters down from there.
Speaker 3: I remember playing with Victor when he first got that putter.
Speaker 3: I got paired with him at the Phoenix Open and
Speaker 3: that putter was brand new. It was like everything's fresh.
Speaker 3: The milling right in the middle, Alex is the same
Speaker 3: model he uses now. It was before it really putina
Speaker 3: and got some little dings on him, But that putter's
Speaker 3: served him pretty well, especially a year ago here in
Speaker 3: the in the FedEx Cup, Alex. Let's let's talk a
Speaker 3: little bit about alternative style putting. Right, We're seeing more
Speaker 3: folks putting with what I like to call mid length
Speaker 3: you know Victor, Yeah, Victor was doing that, you know
Speaker 3: five years ago, four or five years ago now putting
Speaker 3: kind of mid length style where they grip down on
Speaker 3: the putter. You know, are you seeing folks dabbling with
Speaker 3: armlock a little bit more? Not so much. How about
Speaker 3: folks doing long putters. We're seeing some younger, younger generation
Speaker 3: dabbling in the long putter space. What are you see
Speaker 3: in amongst the alternative style putting techniques and you know,
Speaker 3: what are some of those typical builds like for an
Speaker 3: armlock or a midlength putter.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we.
Speaker 2: See a lot of people interested in the mid length putters.
Speaker 2: They're very popular, they're very trendy right now. We have
Speaker 2: quite a few pros that have come through that have
Speaker 2: wanted to dabble with them, have wanted to test them out.
Speaker 2: At the top of my head, Seamous Power came through
Speaker 2: earlier this year. We had built him a mid length
Speaker 2: putter and we looked at data with it. Data looked awesome,
Speaker 2: really really good, super super consistent with it. So these
Speaker 2: middlength putters are just providing a lot of stability for
Speaker 2: players who are maybe struggling a little bit with traditional
Speaker 2: putters or they just want to try something completely new.
Speaker 1: And we see a lot of that right now.
Speaker 2: To where they're trying the mid length and usually from
Speaker 2: a typical mid length build, I'm asking that player what
Speaker 2: they're typically playing from their traditional putter. So let's take Victor,
Speaker 2: for instance, is Victor Hoblin's putter is thirty six inches
Speaker 2: and length he chokes down to thirty four inches. Usually
Speaker 2: with a lot of these mid length putters, we like
Speaker 2: to see about two inches to three inches above where
Speaker 2: they're gripping the putter, and that's just to provide the
Speaker 2: additional stability. And we've had some players test out some
Speaker 2: long putters. You know, Marty is big advocate for the
Speaker 2: long putter here, so of course we have to build
Speaker 2: some long putters for our tour pros as well who
Speaker 2: are wanting to test these out. Long putters have been
Speaker 2: around for a long long time and they really haven't
Speaker 2: gone anywhere, but they're starting to have a little bit
Speaker 2: of a reassurgence now and it's exciting to see just
Speaker 2: because it's another alternative to potentially help make a player better,
Speaker 2: help them make more putts. Armlock putters, we see some
Speaker 2: armlock putters as well. I would say that the midd
Speaker 2: length putters are more on trend than the armlock putters
Speaker 2: right now, but armlock putters are still a thing, so
Speaker 2: we're still fitting some armlock putters for some of the
Speaker 2: players that are coming through.
Speaker 3: Here's the question, Yeah on armlock. On armlock, Shane is
Speaker 3: what's a typical loft you fit a player to an armlock,
Speaker 3: you know, on average.
Speaker 2: So first thing we look at with armmock is going
Speaker 2: to be the amount of shaft line the player applies
Speaker 2: with armmock. It's anchored into their if there right in
Speaker 2: a player into their left arm. So usually they apply
Speaker 2: a fair amount of ford shaft lin and kind of
Speaker 2: that target loft on that five and a half six
Speaker 2: degrees range is usually where we're targeting, assuming that they
Speaker 2: have a fair amount of a fore shaft line with
Speaker 2: the armmrock style.
Speaker 4: Putter, Alex, what are you rocking? I mean you're the
Speaker 4: you're the putter guy. You know you got the collection.
Speaker 4: What is the what's the gamer look like right now?
Speaker 4: How have you customized it?
Speaker 2: So I don't have a ton of rotation in my stroke,
Speaker 2: more of that straight back, straight through type of stroke.
Speaker 4: So so you're telling us, thank you, that's what.
Speaker 3: You're good. You're good at it.
Speaker 2: Okay, impact tangle looks pretty. I've gravitated towards the Oslo putter.
Speaker 2: I've tried some other putters, some other face balanced style
Speaker 2: or just a touch of toe hang style putters. I
Speaker 2: play a double bind and the Oslo is the bread
Speaker 2: and butter for me. I've built up a few other putters,
Speaker 2: I've tested a couple other putters, and I just always
Speaker 2: go back to this Oslo putter. It's available in pel
Speaker 2: D milled, it's available in PLD milled plus, it's something
Speaker 2: that's available in PLD custom and you can do all
Speaker 2: the different hozzle options with the OSLO head. One thing
Speaker 2: I like about the Oslo is it just sits super flat.
Speaker 2: It sits super square. It doesn't open, it doesn't close.
Speaker 2: With some mallets. You might see that from time to time,
Speaker 2: but this Oslo just sits so square on the ground
Speaker 2: and it's inspires so much confidence.
Speaker 4: I mean the PLD program, I mean we talked off
Speaker 4: the top. It's not been around that long. I mean,
Speaker 4: these putters are unbelievable. They look like pieces of art.
Speaker 4: They're exciting to get. I mentioned my buddy Mike Havin
Speaker 4: one my buddy Andrew, I know, was messing around with
Speaker 4: Marty's putter a few months ago and he got himself
Speaker 4: a new PLD and he's been rolling it as good
Speaker 4: as he's ever rolled it. I mean, this is so
Speaker 4: cool to see being such a part of the Pink
Speaker 4: family because again having that final piece, I mean, great wedges,
Speaker 4: great iron players, I mean, ping has been a great
Speaker 4: putter company for so long, but having that next level
Speaker 4: of putter just feels like it pops the bag a
Speaker 4: little bit. And I get so excited, Marty when I
Speaker 4: see PLD putters in players bags because you know they've
Speaker 4: gone through the process to perfect that part of their bag.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been fun for me, Shane to see. I mean,
Speaker 3: one thing we haven't talked about a lot is how
Speaker 3: popular PLD has been with our college golfers, our college teams.
Speaker 3: I go to the Mini Tour now, I play in
Speaker 3: the Arizona Open. A few weeks ago. I saw tons
Speaker 3: of PLDs on the putting green, which was really fun
Speaker 3: with our good tournament tournament players. I played with Nico Galletti,
Speaker 3: who's on the your DP World Tour this year, at
Speaker 3: a sweet PLD putter. So it's been fun. But but
Speaker 3: what I love is being again being able to pass
Speaker 3: that level of customization service to the everyday golfer as well.
Speaker 3: And I also love that we're not just only doing
Speaker 3: the customization piece, which which is awesome. You want that
Speaker 3: emotional connection with your putter. Putting is where you're the
Speaker 3: most vulnerable and fragile as a golfer. I aintally so
Speaker 3: having having your your your kids initials, there's something personal
Speaker 3: on the putter is comforting. But we are embracing and
Speaker 3: leaning into that. Every one of our PLDs is custom fit.
Speaker 3: Our pod custom is custom fit. Whether you come here
Speaker 3: or we send you the iPod, we get that data
Speaker 3: and we're throwing our full suite of putter fitting science
Speaker 3: at it. That's what I'm super excited about is to
Speaker 3: know that everybody who has a pod custom has literally
Speaker 3: been through you know, and iping fitting, gotten all that
Speaker 3: data to inform him and working with our talented fitters
Speaker 3: like Alex and Colton in our team here.
Speaker 4: Alex, It's been a great conversation, great chat with you.
Speaker 4: As I said, I was super excited about this because
Speaker 4: I remember getting my first PLD when they first came
Speaker 4: out and taking it back because I wanted a little
Speaker 4: softer and we were adding grooves at the time. And
Speaker 4: to kind of fast forward to the PLD I use now,
Speaker 4: I mean I can't.
Speaker 3: It will not leave the bag.
Speaker 4: It is my favorite club in the bag and it
Speaker 4: remains my favorite club in the bag. And my son
Speaker 4: just convinced me to put a Hulk grip on it
Speaker 4: because he got a Spider Man grip on his, So
Speaker 4: it's a slightly different look than what I'm used to
Speaker 4: having right now, I don't know how long it's gonna stay,
Speaker 4: but the putter still remains as beautiful as ever, So Alex,
Speaker 4: we appreciate the time.
Speaker 3: Party.
Speaker 4: Always great to chat with you. Excited to see you soon.
Speaker 4: Make sure you check out that YouTube battle we had.
Speaker 4: It's on the Ping YouTube page if you haven't watched
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