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Speaker 2: They've kind of showed me how much the equipment matters.

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Speaker 1: I just love that I can hit any shot.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna be able to tell some fun stories about

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Speaker 3: what goes on here to help golfers play better golf.

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Speaker 4: Hey, everybody, welcome back to another episode of the Ping

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Speaker 4: Proving Grounds Podcast. I'm Shane Bak and joined us always

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Speaker 4: by Marty Jerts and Marty. We've got a YouTube video

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Speaker 4: out right now, competitive YouTube golf. Are we now YouTube golfers?

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Speaker 3: Is that where we live?

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Speaker 4: Are?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? No, I think we're up there with some of

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Speaker 3: the you know, the view counts going up. Shane and

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Speaker 3: I don't know about you, but I've had a lot

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Speaker 3: of feedback from some friends that have really enjoyed the content,

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Speaker 3: and you know, I don't want to we don't want

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Speaker 3: to tease what happens at the end there, but let's

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Speaker 4: Yeah, shout out to James and the team. They did

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Speaker 4: a great job of shooting it and the drone footage.

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Speaker 4: I mean, Astoncia is one of the great desert golf

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Speaker 4: It's one of my favorite courses, if not my favoravorite

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's on the paying YouTube page. We'll add a

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Speaker 4: link in the notes for this episode as well, so

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Speaker 3: Yeah, mister Alex Web Alex, thanks for coming on the pod.

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Speaker 3: Super excited to have you and talk about PLD Putters.

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Speaker 3: I think what's what I'm very excited about what we've

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Speaker 3: Is you know, we've kind of prided ourselves at Ping

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Speaker 3: he handles all of our PLD custom fittings that we

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Speaker 3: Welcome to the podcast and look forward to having a

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Speaker 2: Awesome guys. Thank you so much for having me. Super

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Speaker 1: Putters, Alex.

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Speaker 4: I wanted to start with this, can you give people

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Speaker 2: second half we go through the putters that we have available,

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Speaker 2: and we're mentioning the best putters that that we think

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Speaker 4: Marty is is ping, Like, does ping run ninety five

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Speaker 4: I just want to I'm wondering what other business still

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Speaker 4: But I mean, I like, I've done both Alex, I've

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Speaker 4: You get similar numbers if you do it at home

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Speaker 4: You've talked a little bit about what you're looking at

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely so.

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Speaker 2: Ipaying measures five different metrics The first one's closing angle

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Speaker 2: Next one would be tempo, So that's just measuring the

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Speaker 2: Everybody has different has a different tempo, and if everybody

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I think that what's fun OLEX is that the

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Speaker 3: that putter. Right. And then you talked about tempo and

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Speaker 3: naked eye. Right. So, Alex, talk a little bit about,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, so Ipin kicks back a ratio. We'll start

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So, this is definitely not a category where we're trying

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Speaker 2: It's consistency. The majority of the pros that come through,

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Speaker 3: Maybe I try to be I'm always striving for it.

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Speaker 3: I'm looking.

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Speaker 4: I'm looking for that Alex when you're when you're fitting someone.

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Speaker 4: I think about this a lot with fitting in general.

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Speaker 4: But when you're fitting somebody for a putter, they're aiming right,

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Speaker 4: How much are you leaning on putting them in the

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Speaker 4: in their instructor, you're not their teacher, right, but there

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Speaker 4: are little things you can help correct them when you

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Speaker 4: see all this data come back your ways. So how

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Speaker 4: do you balance that? It seems like it'd be a

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Speaker 2: the case that it's going to automatically change it, but

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00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:53,880
Speaker 2: we'll make small little tweaks or small little suggestions from

437
00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:58,840
Speaker 2: a setup standpoint that can potentially get this player to

438
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:02,000
Speaker 2: a better spot or have a more consistent stroke.

439
00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, Alex, I want to kind of shift gears a

440
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:11,280
Speaker 3: little bit to alignment markings. Right, So we talked about aim.

441
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:14,879
Speaker 3: We're not necessarily trying to get folks to get the

442
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,880
Speaker 3: face back zeroed out relative to where they aim. We've

443
00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:20,879
Speaker 3: seen good players, players of all different skill levels, maybe

444
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 3: aim a little off and their stroke kind of gets

445
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:26,480
Speaker 3: it back to get that putter face online to their

446
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:30,480
Speaker 3: intended start line. What about alignment markings, We have a

447
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:32,680
Speaker 3: lot of offerings. If we look at PLD custom you

448
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:34,440
Speaker 3: can kind of do whatever you want. If you look

449
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:38,679
Speaker 3: at mill plus you have some customizations options there with

450
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:41,879
Speaker 3: the alignment markings. You know, what type of player finds

451
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:46,600
Speaker 3: themselves in a dot on the top rail, no alignment

452
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:50,399
Speaker 3: marking at all on an answer putter versus lines that

453
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:52,919
Speaker 3: frame the ball versus a line in the cavity. What

454
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 3: does that process look like and what trends are you

455
00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:59,560
Speaker 3: seeing from that perspective? And do you use how a

456
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:03,800
Speaker 3: player or maybe what golf ball and ballmarking they use

457
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 3: to inform that process?

458
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:08,960
Speaker 1: Yeah? Absolutely so.

459
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 2: The first thing I always ask when we start talking

460
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:14,360
Speaker 2: about alignment is how do they line their put up?

461
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 2: Do they have a line on the ball, do they

462
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 2: use the markings on the ball. Are they pointing that

463
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:22,240
Speaker 2: line or are they pointing that marking at a target?

464
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:24,960
Speaker 2: Are they pointing it at the whole. It's just trying

465
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:29,240
Speaker 2: to figure out the tendencies of this player, how they align.

466
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:33,720
Speaker 2: And we'll see a lot of times where people might

467
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 2: be spot aimers. It's like, Okay, I'm aiming to a

468
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 2: spot that's three foot in front of the ball, and

469
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 2: I line that line up to that. Well, that's where

470
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 2: it could be beneficial to have a top rail line

471
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 2: because now that top rail line acts as an extension

472
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:52,480
Speaker 2: from the line on the ball, and now we can

473
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,880
Speaker 2: point that top rail line at our target. Same thing

474
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,399
Speaker 2: with flange line as well. It's just you have that

475
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:02,359
Speaker 2: slight separation the two. But then we'll get a lot

476
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 2: of players that are face aimers versus people who are

477
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 2: aiming alignment lines, who are aiming the logos on the

478
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 2: ball at the target. So for the face aimer players,

479
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:18,159
Speaker 2: usually that's where I'll lean more towards the dot or

480
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 2: even the top rail line, just because that gives us

481
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 2: a centering point. We have a centering point with the

482
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 2: back of the ball. Now we can aim the face

483
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 2: at that centering point, and ball with features can.

484
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 1: Really help out with that as well.

485
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:34,359
Speaker 2: So if you have a potter that has really nice

486
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 2: ball with features that are built into it.

487
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 1: Whether we've cut.

488
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 2: Ball with lines or not, we have that dot on

489
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:43,119
Speaker 2: the top and we just have a lot of things

490
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:46,040
Speaker 2: that can help us frame the ball center with the

491
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,479
Speaker 2: back of the ball, and from there we're just aiming

492
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:51,560
Speaker 2: the face at the target that we've picked out.

493
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,399
Speaker 4: I mean, Marty, this is such a big part of

494
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 4: modern golf is the you know, you think about the

495
00:26:57,560 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 4: golf balls that have come out over the last few years.

496
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 4: Right on You've gone from the original pro v that

497
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 4: I don't think had lines on it, to then having lines,

498
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 4: and then now the golf balls have triple tracks. You know,

499
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 4: there's so much alignment out there for the player. And

500
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:14,959
Speaker 4: I'm a player that doesn't like the lines.

501
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:15,199
Speaker 3: You know.

502
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 4: I'm a guy that I like to set it up

503
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 4: where I see the name of the golf ball kind

504
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 4: of facing me straight up because I get a little

505
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 4: too technical when I'm trying to get the line of

506
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,199
Speaker 4: my putter on the line of the golf ball and

507
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,680
Speaker 4: then I'm trying to hit. I almost feel like I'm

508
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 4: trying to hit the perfect putt versus like letting my

509
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 4: feel take over. I think this is something that people

510
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 4: have to figure out almost before they even do a

511
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 4: fitting is how best do I see a putt? How

512
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 4: much does the putt make sense to me when I'm

513
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 4: thinking about where to aim? How far out to go?

514
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 1: Am I a feel putter?

515
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 4: I mean, these are things that I think are important

516
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 4: to kind of go over yourself.

517
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:50,680
Speaker 3: It's almost party.

518
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:54,440
Speaker 4: It's your MRI analogy you made earlier. It's like people

519
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 4: get nervous about AMRI. They get nervous about fitting at

520
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:58,919
Speaker 4: times as well. But it's going over some of the

521
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 4: things you can go over your before you go into

522
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 4: the process, so you can actually answer some of these questions.

523
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, I think how you mark your golf ball,

524
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 3: what works good for you, and we and we could

525
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:12,359
Speaker 3: sort of as part of PLD will will help evaluate

526
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:14,920
Speaker 3: that for you. You know, maybe somebody struggles with start

527
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 3: line on short puts only start line is more important

528
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,239
Speaker 3: than speed on short putts. Maybe you want to use

529
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:21,919
Speaker 3: a line on your ball on short putts and have

530
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:24,359
Speaker 3: a model that can help you with that there. But

531
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 3: let you be more speed speed focus feel focus on

532
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:33,680
Speaker 3: the longer puts because that priority of speed to face

533
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 3: angle kind of changes depending on the putts. So that's

534
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 3: I think a big part of what Alex and his

535
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 3: team does is understand that if you're a golfer that

536
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 3: keeps diligent stats on your putting, maybe through Arcos or

537
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 3: another stats tracking tool or your own little system, certainly

538
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 3: bring those into the putting putter fitting process because we're

539
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 3: gonna want to understand that, you know, not not only

540
00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 3: does your memory think maybe your recency by think that

541
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 3: you struggle on longer putts because you just three putted

542
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 3: the last hole you know they was an important match

543
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 3: or something, but is that persistent over time? You know?

544
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 3: And I think that's something really fun. We get access

545
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 3: to in the shot Link data from the tour players,

546
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 3: but we want to be able to pass that level

547
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 3: of service to the to the everyday golfer. And yeah,

548
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 3: it's been fun to see all the different markings on

549
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 3: golf balls. And speaking of golf balls, we in the

550
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 3: Lab Alex have pretty much every majority of the most

551
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 3: popular golf balls out there because part of Balnamic Shane

552
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 3: that you know, is we ask for your feel sound

553
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 3: preference with the golf ball on short game. You know,

554
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 3: we've we've both hit balls that you can barely hear

555
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 3: them when you putt, and the others that are louder

556
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 3: and clickier. Now, a big part of the nuance of

557
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 3: the perfect putter, which appeld custom is all about, is

558
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 3: getting the acoustics dialed in. So, Alex, let's dive into

559
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 3: sound feel, how a player's golf ball might inform that

560
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 3: and what are some of the tech chniques we can

561
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 3: use with milling patterns, et cetera to inform and influence

562
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 3: that through the POD process. Yeah.

563
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 2: Absolutely, So it's we always ask the player what golf

564
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 2: ball they're playing, and we you're right, we keep a

565
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 2: quite a few of the most popular brands in the lab,

566
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 2: different covers, whether it's something softer, something firmer, and if

567
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 2: we don't ad the ball after the fact, we usually

568
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 2: go out and get it.

569
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, but Alex, you can't ask Marty that question, by

570
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:34,719
Speaker 4: the way, it be like a twenty minute answer if

571
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 4: you said, Marty, golf ball play to go? What month

572
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 4: is it?

573
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 3: What the wind? But uh, go ahead out. Yeah.

574
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 2: So that's the first thing we always ask when they

575
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 2: come in the lab is what golf ball are you playing?

576
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 2: Because that's going to dictate or help us determine what

577
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 2: milling pattern.

578
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 1: We need to do.

579
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 2: On the face of the butter or what milling pattern

580
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 2: the player might like on the face, and the butter

581
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 2: feel and sound is extremely important and putting, and we

582
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 2: have different milling patterns, different milling depths that we can

583
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 2: achieve on these PLD custom putters to help provide positive acoustics,

584
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 2: positive feedback to the players and what they want to hear.

585
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 1: So the smoother you.

586
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 2: Go on the face, the clickier the sound's going to be,

587
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 2: the more feedback you're going to get. And then we

588
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 2: offer smooth, shallow, deep milling. We also have some horizontal

589
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 2: milling that we can do on the faces as well.

590
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 2: But if we're looking at just the smooth face, completely

591
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 2: smooth firnest off the face, the most feedback, so the

592
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 2: most click.

593
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 1: As we get to the.

594
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 2: Shallow mill, it's a little bit softer.

595
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 1: Than your smooth face.

596
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 2: It's a little bit of a more muted sound to it,

597
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 2: but you still get feedback, you still get some click

598
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 2: to it. As we start to transition into that deeper milling,

599
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 2: that more aggressive milling on the face, it's a little

600
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 2: bit softer off the face. But the thing that most

601
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 2: players notice is the sound difference, because sound and feel

602
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 2: go hand in hand. With the deeper milling, it tends

603
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 2: to be a little bit more of a thuddier sound,

604
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 2: so a little bit deeper sound. If we hear something

605
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 2: that's a little bit deeper or something that's a little

606
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 2: bit thuddier, we're automatically going to think that it's a

607
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 2: little bit softer off the face as well. And one

608
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 2: thing with the milling pattern, and this is something that

609
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 2: we've tested over time, is there's not necessarily a performance

610
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 2: difference between smooth and deep. From a rollout perspective, they're

611
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 2: very very similar. A lot of this is just going

612
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 2: to be player preference. So if you prefer to hear

613
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 2: something more muted, feel something a little bit softer, that's

614
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 2: when we go with more of that deeper or more

615
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 2: aggressive milling. But if you're somebody that likes to hear

616
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 2: a lot of feedback or wants to hear here's some

617
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 2: click sound, that's when we start to move more towards

618
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 2: the shallow or the smooth face.

619
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 3: Alex, you talked earlier on about Bubba being kind of

620
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 3: the origin of the PLD journey for us, and which

621
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 3: one of the milling patterns that we use do we

622
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 3: call the Bubba groove. That's what we've always called it

623
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 3: for slang here, right.

624
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 2: So the Bubba groove would be a horizontal milling, and

625
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 2: there's a couple different versions of this. Hovelin has the

626
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 2: same thing. So Hovelin has a ball with horizontal milling

627
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 2: on the face. It's about four to five thousands deep

628
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 2: on the face. And if you're comparing that to the

629
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 2: circular milling that we offer, circular milling, the shallow mill

630
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 2: is going to be four thousands deep on the face.

631
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 2: So those feel and sound very very similar. Same thing

632
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 2: with the Bubba groove. The Bubba groove's going to be

633
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 2: about that four to five thousands deep on the face,

634
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 2: and his are full face horizontal.

635
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, So we can use that ball with milling for

636
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 3: a golfer who's either left eye dominant, depend on how

637
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 3: they set up. They can see the loft on the face,

638
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 3: see the face a little bit, and that can help

639
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:10,879
Speaker 3: them frame the golf ball a little bit as well.

640
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 1: Alex correct.

641
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:16,320
Speaker 2: Absolutely, we always ask eye dominance as well, whether somebody's

642
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 2: right or left eye dominant.

643
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 1: It's kind of.

644
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,279
Speaker 2: A gray area for us, but there is some of

645
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 2: it that plays into it, especially from an alignment and

646
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:26,280
Speaker 2: an offset standpoint.

647
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 4: Alex, are we talking millions of options in terms of customization?

648
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 4: I mean, is it infinite? Like, do you have an

649
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 4: idea of what the number be in terms of how

650
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 4: much you could customize your PLD.

651
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 2: It's a lot. We try to provide as much as possible.

652
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 2: And if it's something that we haven't done before, I'm

653
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:51,400
Speaker 2: gonna ask about it. Okay, So if a customer wants

654
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 2: this type of alignment versus this type of milling versus

655
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 2: this type of engraving, and we haven't done it before, absolutely,

656
00:34:58,320 --> 00:34:58,719
Speaker 2: I'm going.

657
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:00,919
Speaker 1: To inquire about it. If we can do it, We're

658
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 1: going to do it.

659
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 3: Alex, tell us about a time, you know, you know,

660
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:08,280
Speaker 3: you Colton and in our team here at the proving grounds,

661
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 3: it's work with players day in and day out on

662
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 3: these most nuanced topics and preferences. Tell us about a

663
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:19,359
Speaker 3: time where we've identified maybe a gap in our product offerings. Right,

664
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 3: so you're seeing a certain trend or tendency or something

665
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 3: in the lab that we've kind of turned into a

666
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 3: product offering. You know, where we've seen a gap in

667
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 3: one of these attributes. It's so important to putter performance.

668
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we actually noticed something within the past couple

669
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:41,280
Speaker 2: of years and introduced to special edition putter this past

670
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 2: year to fill this gap. So if we're looking at

671
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 2: iping data, we have millions and millions of data points

672
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:55,320
Speaker 2: in ipaying, so we're able to identify what's the most

673
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:58,760
Speaker 2: the most closing angle, the least amount of closing angle,

674
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 2: how many people fit into certain types of closing angles.

675
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 2: And we notice that with the slight arc category that

676
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 2: we had the answer potter, which is going to hang

677
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:15,800
Speaker 2: or have forty forty three forty two degrees of toehang

678
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 2: to it. And then from there we go down to

679
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 2: face balance options or a double bend shaft with a

680
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 2: slight amount of toe hag.

681
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 1: So there's a gap there.

682
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 2: So we go from zero amount of toe hag all

683
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 2: the way up to forty plus amount of toe haang

684
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 2: and where's the in between there? So what we did

685
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 2: is we created the answer thirty, which sits right in

686
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:45,359
Speaker 2: between that. So your traditional answer hangs the forty forty

687
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:48,839
Speaker 2: two to forty three degrees, We go to the face

688
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 2: balance potter that's at zero, and then we have the

689
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:54,840
Speaker 2: answer thirty. The reason why we call an answer thirty

690
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 2: it is because it hangs at thirty degrees.

691
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 1: So if we look.

692
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 2: At this from a rotation standpoint, and if we're identifying like, okay,

693
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 2: five point five degrees six degrees of rotation in iping,

694
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 2: is an answer style putter three point five is to

695
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:16,720
Speaker 2: cut off for that straight stroke? What about those players

696
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 2: that sit around four degrees of rotation three point seven

697
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 2: degrees of rotation? Where do those players fit in? What

698
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 2: type of putter can we provide to them? And that's

699
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:29,839
Speaker 2: where the answer thirty came in is because we had

700
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 2: that gap and we wanted to fill that gap.

701
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean, is that where most models come from,

702
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:38,840
Speaker 4: Alex the idea of filling a gap because you know, Marty,

703
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 4: Marty's building new drivers. Mary's Marty's leaning into the technology

704
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 4: to come up with the latest and greatest that's going

705
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 4: to go a lot, little bit longer, a little bit

706
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 4: straighter for the player, and he's going to kind of

707
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 4: test those numbers and test those limits. How does it

708
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:54,759
Speaker 4: go in terms of introducing new putters. Is it just

709
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 4: simply we don't have a putter model for this space

710
00:37:58,160 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 4: and we need one.

711
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, and yeah absolutely. So with that we had

712
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 2: a gap there, we needed to fill that gap.

713
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 1: We filled that gap.

714
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:13,760
Speaker 2: Another way that we figure out if we need new models,

715
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,879
Speaker 2: if we need to maybe tweak this model here and there.

716
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:20,879
Speaker 2: It's just working with our tour players. They're very, very

717
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 2: valuable to us and what they want to see. Where

718
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 2: we can go from a design perspective, what gaps need

719
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 2: to be filled, Like if we have this player. Let's

720
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 2: take camp Champ for instance, and he's one of the

721
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 2: reasons why we made the answer thirty putter is because

722
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 2: he's not in the straight stroke, but he's not full

723
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 2: slide arc. He has some rotation in his stroke, but

724
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 2: he kind of floats in between those two. So we

725
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 2: needed to fill that gap. That's why we created the

726
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 2: answer thirty. And we get a lot of feedback from

727
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:59,400
Speaker 2: our tour players what they want to see. The answer

728
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 2: too deep utter is a fine example or a good

729
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:05,840
Speaker 2: example of that. We worked with Tony fenw on that putter.

730
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 2: That putter was designed for him. We made it our

731
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 2: goal to design a putter that looked good to his

732
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 2: eye but also performed how a tour level putter should perform.

733
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:21,240
Speaker 2: So we worked hand in hand with Tony to design

734
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 2: to answer two D. Same thing with Victor Hoblin and

735
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 2: the DS seventy two putter. That putter was designed for him.

736
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 2: He worked with our team. He worked with Tony Serrano

737
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 2: to design this putter. So a lot of it starts

738
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 2: from the tour level, where we get the feedback from

739
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 2: the guys out on tour, the tour pros out on tour,

740
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 2: and then it just kind of filters down from there.

741
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,800
Speaker 3: I remember playing with Victor when he first got that putter.

742
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 3: I got paired with him at the Phoenix Open and

743
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 3: that putter was brand new. It was like everything's fresh.

744
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 3: The milling right in the middle, Alex is the same

745
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:58,320
Speaker 3: model he uses now. It was before it really putina

746
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,320
Speaker 3: and got some little dings on him, But that putter's

747
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 3: served him pretty well, especially a year ago here in

748
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 3: the in the FedEx Cup, Alex. Let's let's talk a

749
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 3: little bit about alternative style putting. Right, We're seeing more

750
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:15,240
Speaker 3: folks putting with what I like to call mid length

751
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:18,360
Speaker 3: you know Victor, Yeah, Victor was doing that, you know

752
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:20,880
Speaker 3: five years ago, four or five years ago now putting

753
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 3: kind of mid length style where they grip down on

754
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 3: the putter. You know, are you seeing folks dabbling with

755
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 3: armlock a little bit more? Not so much. How about

756
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 3: folks doing long putters. We're seeing some younger, younger generation

757
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 3: dabbling in the long putter space. What are you see

758
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 3: in amongst the alternative style putting techniques and you know,

759
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 3: what are some of those typical builds like for an

760
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:42,360
Speaker 3: armlock or a midlength putter.

761
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we.

762
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 2: See a lot of people interested in the mid length putters.

763
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 2: They're very popular, they're very trendy right now. We have

764
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:56,399
Speaker 2: quite a few pros that have come through that have

765
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:59,359
Speaker 2: wanted to dabble with them, have wanted to test them out.

766
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 2: At the top of my head, Seamous Power came through

767
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,919
Speaker 2: earlier this year. We had built him a mid length

768
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:10,360
Speaker 2: putter and we looked at data with it. Data looked awesome,

769
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 2: really really good, super super consistent with it. So these

770
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 2: middlength putters are just providing a lot of stability for

771
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 2: players who are maybe struggling a little bit with traditional

772
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 2: putters or they just want to try something completely new.

773
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 1: And we see a lot of that right now.

774
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 2: To where they're trying the mid length and usually from

775
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 2: a typical mid length build, I'm asking that player what

776
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 2: they're typically playing from their traditional putter. So let's take Victor,

777
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:45,320
Speaker 2: for instance, is Victor Hoblin's putter is thirty six inches

778
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:48,320
Speaker 2: and length he chokes down to thirty four inches. Usually

779
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 2: with a lot of these mid length putters, we like

780
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 2: to see about two inches to three inches above where

781
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 2: they're gripping the putter, and that's just to provide the

782
00:41:57,160 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 2: additional stability. And we've had some players test out some

783
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 2: long putters. You know, Marty is big advocate for the

784
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:09,280
Speaker 2: long putter here, so of course we have to build

785
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:12,279
Speaker 2: some long putters for our tour pros as well who

786
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:15,319
Speaker 2: are wanting to test these out. Long putters have been

787
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:19,360
Speaker 2: around for a long long time and they really haven't

788
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 2: gone anywhere, but they're starting to have a little bit

789
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 2: of a reassurgence now and it's exciting to see just

790
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:33,720
Speaker 2: because it's another alternative to potentially help make a player better,

791
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 2: help them make more putts. Armlock putters, we see some

792
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 2: armlock putters as well. I would say that the midd

793
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 2: length putters are more on trend than the armlock putters

794
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 2: right now, but armlock putters are still a thing, so

795
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:52,400
Speaker 2: we're still fitting some armlock putters for some of the

796
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:53,800
Speaker 2: players that are coming through.

797
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 3: Here's the question, Yeah on armlock. On armlock, Shane is

798
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 3: what's a typical loft you fit a player to an armlock,

799
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 3: you know, on average.

800
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 2: So first thing we look at with armmock is going

801
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 2: to be the amount of shaft line the player applies

802
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 2: with armmock. It's anchored into their if there right in

803
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 2: a player into their left arm. So usually they apply

804
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:20,360
Speaker 2: a fair amount of ford shaft lin and kind of

805
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:23,439
Speaker 2: that target loft on that five and a half six

806
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 2: degrees range is usually where we're targeting, assuming that they

807
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 2: have a fair amount of a fore shaft line with

808
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:33,480
Speaker 2: the armmrock style.

809
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 4: Putter, Alex, what are you rocking? I mean you're the

810
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 4: you're the putter guy. You know you got the collection.

811
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 4: What is the what's the gamer look like right now?

812
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 4: How have you customized it?

813
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 2: So I don't have a ton of rotation in my stroke,

814
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 2: more of that straight back, straight through type of stroke.

815
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 4: So so you're telling us, thank you, that's what.

816
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 3: You're good. You're good at it.

817
00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 2: Okay, impact tangle looks pretty. I've gravitated towards the Oslo putter.

818
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 2: I've tried some other putters, some other face balanced style

819
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:12,759
Speaker 2: or just a touch of toe hang style putters. I

820
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:15,400
Speaker 2: play a double bind and the Oslo is the bread

821
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:18,840
Speaker 2: and butter for me. I've built up a few other putters,

822
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 2: I've tested a couple other putters, and I just always

823
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 2: go back to this Oslo putter. It's available in pel

824
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 2: D milled, it's available in PLD milled plus, it's something

825
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 2: that's available in PLD custom and you can do all

826
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 2: the different hozzle options with the OSLO head. One thing

827
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:41,240
Speaker 2: I like about the Oslo is it just sits super flat.

828
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:45,840
Speaker 2: It sits super square. It doesn't open, it doesn't close.

829
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 2: With some mallets. You might see that from time to time,

830
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 2: but this Oslo just sits so square on the ground

831
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 2: and it's inspires so much confidence.

832
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 4: I mean the PLD program, I mean we talked off

833
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:02,319
Speaker 4: the top. It's not been around that long. I mean,

834
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:05,359
Speaker 4: these putters are unbelievable. They look like pieces of art.

835
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 4: They're exciting to get. I mentioned my buddy Mike Havin

836
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 4: one my buddy Andrew, I know, was messing around with

837
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 4: Marty's putter a few months ago and he got himself

838
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 4: a new PLD and he's been rolling it as good

839
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 4: as he's ever rolled it. I mean, this is so

840
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 4: cool to see being such a part of the Pink

841
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:25,800
Speaker 4: family because again having that final piece, I mean, great wedges,

842
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:28,319
Speaker 4: great iron players, I mean, ping has been a great

843
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 4: putter company for so long, but having that next level

844
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:33,400
Speaker 4: of putter just feels like it pops the bag a

845
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:35,279
Speaker 4: little bit. And I get so excited, Marty when I

846
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 4: see PLD putters in players bags because you know they've

847
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 4: gone through the process to perfect that part of their bag.

848
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been fun for me, Shane to see. I mean,

849
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 3: one thing we haven't talked about a lot is how

850
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:52,240
Speaker 3: popular PLD has been with our college golfers, our college teams.

851
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 3: I go to the Mini Tour now, I play in

852
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 3: the Arizona Open. A few weeks ago. I saw tons

853
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:59,800
Speaker 3: of PLDs on the putting green, which was really fun

854
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 3: with our good tournament tournament players. I played with Nico Galletti,

855
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 3: who's on the your DP World Tour this year, at

856
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 3: a sweet PLD putter. So it's been fun. But but

857
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:12,799
Speaker 3: what I love is being again being able to pass

858
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 3: that level of customization service to the everyday golfer as well.

859
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:20,840
Speaker 3: And I also love that we're not just only doing

860
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 3: the customization piece, which which is awesome. You want that

861
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:26,719
Speaker 3: emotional connection with your putter. Putting is where you're the

862
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:31,360
Speaker 3: most vulnerable and fragile as a golfer. I aintally so

863
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 3: having having your your your kids initials, there's something personal

864
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 3: on the putter is comforting. But we are embracing and

865
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 3: leaning into that. Every one of our PLDs is custom fit.

866
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:45,759
Speaker 3: Our pod custom is custom fit. Whether you come here

867
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 3: or we send you the iPod, we get that data

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Speaker 3: and we're throwing our full suite of putter fitting science

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Speaker 3: at it. That's what I'm super excited about is to

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Speaker 3: know that everybody who has a pod custom has literally

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Speaker 3: been through you know, and iping fitting, gotten all that

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Speaker 3: data to inform him and working with our talented fitters

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Speaker 3: like Alex and Colton in our team here.

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Speaker 4: Alex, It's been a great conversation, great chat with you.

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Speaker 4: As I said, I was super excited about this because

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Speaker 4: I remember getting my first PLD when they first came

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Speaker 4: out and taking it back because I wanted a little

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Speaker 4: softer and we were adding grooves at the time. And

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Speaker 4: to kind of fast forward to the PLD I use now,

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Speaker 4: I mean I can't.

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Speaker 3: It will not leave the bag.

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Speaker 4: It is my favorite club in the bag and it

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Speaker 4: remains my favorite club in the bag. And my son

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Speaker 4: just convinced me to put a Hulk grip on it

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Speaker 4: because he got a Spider Man grip on his, So

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Speaker 4: it's a slightly different look than what I'm used to

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Speaker 4: having right now, I don't know how long it's gonna stay,

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Speaker 4: but the putter still remains as beautiful as ever, So Alex,

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Speaker 4: we appreciate the time.

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Speaker 3: Party.

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Speaker 4: Always great to chat with you. Excited to see you soon.

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Speaker 4: Make sure you check out that YouTube battle we had.

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Speaker 4: It's on the Ping YouTube page if you haven't watched

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Speaker 4: it yet. Definitely worth your time. This is the Ping

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Speaker 4: prooven Grounds podcast