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Speaker 1: Welcome to Creature Feature, a safari through the consciousness of

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Speaker 1: animals and man, finding the common threads that bind together

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Speaker 1: all living creatures. I'm Katie Golden. I studied psychology and

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Speaker 1: evolutionary biology at Harvard and I pretend to be a

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Speaker 1: frustrated bird on Twitter. Today I'm Creature Feature. We'll be

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Speaker 1: talking about how both animals and humans go to dramatic

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Speaker 1: lengths to get krunk off there, but it's re for

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Speaker 1: madness as we find out what drug junkie dolphins are

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Speaker 1: hitting rock bottom for. Where are the bird mothers against

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Speaker 1: drunk flying? Why our scientists creating a butterfly sex potion. Also,

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Speaker 1: we find out about the Bermuda Triangle of death that

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Speaker 1: all the otter teens are dying to explore. Discover this

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Speaker 1: and more as we answer the age old question what's

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Speaker 1: the grossest alcoholic beverage in the world and why did

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Speaker 1: my guests drink enough of it to get a lot?

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Speaker 1: So first, I want to talk about flying. It's kind

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Speaker 1: of scary, especially because you're at the mercy of a

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Speaker 1: human pilot. Whenever the pilot comes on over the speakers

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Speaker 1: to give an announcement, I'm always searching for vocal cues

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Speaker 1: of something wrong, like does he sounds stressed, anxious, angry? Well,

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Speaker 1: my absolute nightmare would be if he sounded drunk, even

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Speaker 1: though you shouldn't mix flying and drinking, or about to

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Speaker 1: find out that some humans and animals do. In fact,

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Speaker 1: one such pilot has become a master of flying under

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Speaker 1: the influence Creature feature starts right now. So, Robert, do

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Speaker 1: you fly much? Yes? Good? Well, do you ever like

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Speaker 1: fantasize about flying cars and why we don't have them

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Speaker 1: yet in a glorious future where all cars are just

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Speaker 1: flying around? No? You know, I drive a lot. I've

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Speaker 1: probably driven up and down California alone more than anyone

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Speaker 1: So I have very little faith in the driving ability

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Speaker 1: of most people, and I have even less faith in

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Speaker 1: their ability to pilot a flying car. Well, that's the

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Speaker 1: thing that's what always gets me when it's like, uh,

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Speaker 1: drivers is just way, way, way worse. Oh my god,

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Speaker 1: it's a nice and think about terrorism, like, yeah, like

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Speaker 1: we're already having this problem because people can buy guns.

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Speaker 1: But what if you let people buy like a two

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Speaker 1: what do you do? How do you regulate that? Or

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Speaker 1: like a drunk would it would it cancel it out?

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Speaker 1: Like if it was a drunk terrorist, would they'd be like,

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to terrorism, but I'm too drunk. I mean

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Speaker 1: I think in that case, alcohol is kind of the

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Speaker 1: hero of the story. Yeah, it's like zero dark thirty,

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Speaker 1: but instead of a bunch of CIA guys, it's like

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Speaker 1: ski who's now always the hero, it's just alcohol. Yeah

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Speaker 1: when did when did he get abs? I don't know.

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Speaker 1: They look angry and everything I've seen of him now

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Speaker 1: like furious ads. We never did see his bare chest

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Speaker 1: faint reflection of the abs that should be there weren't

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Speaker 1: in his eyes at that time. But flying cars, flying cars.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, like we're all very we have

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Speaker 1: wishful thinking about flying cars. But you know you've got

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Speaker 1: you got drunk people like Hayden Christensen jumping out of

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Speaker 1: in that car. It's just going to crash into an orphanage.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean it's like the that scene is

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Speaker 1: like there's so many questions I have about how traffic

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Speaker 1: control works in Horissant, Like what is the organization? Right?

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Speaker 1: Do jed I not have to go to traffic school? Well,

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Speaker 1: I don't. Like what's shocking about that is that nobody

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Speaker 1: which is terrifying, right, Like everyone's hyped up on death

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Speaker 1: than maybe you. Yeah, like that sounds like a lot

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Speaker 1: on this podcast about vices and animals. And speaking of which,

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Speaker 1: like semi frozen margarita, those little slushy packs. Those are nasty. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they're tear doble, But at the same time there I mean,

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Speaker 1: Like the reason I think the birds are being smart

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Speaker 1: you want not just alcohol, but you want sugars and

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Speaker 1: salts and and some cars. Exactly exactly, that's a smart

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Speaker 1: it's safe. No. When I was wandering around San Francisco

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Speaker 1: that's basically the same thing except where we were on

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Speaker 1: the ground. Yeah, you're being birds, Yeah, we were being birds. Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yukon in Canada. Where these birds are getting crunk. She

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Speaker 1: that against how much fun they're having. That's true, and

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Speaker 1: They need some fluids and eggs and coffee. Their beaks

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Speaker 1: We figured this ship out. We could bomb Mount Olympus

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Speaker 1: I have a I have a fun, a fun story

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Speaker 1: Russia right now. Uh. And so, like, there's been a

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Speaker 1: the original series he was he was drunk all the time. Yeah,

424
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:22,240
Speaker 1: and like and he was in the T and G

425
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:25,520
Speaker 1: the Next Generation and they're like, here's some Syntha Hall

426
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 1: and he's in his Scottish brogue. He's like, no, he

427
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:32,680
Speaker 1: was so pissed. Yeah, because it's it's garbage. I cannot

428
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:35,879
Speaker 1: drink it's nonsense. That's such a bad Scottish Yeah, that

429
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 1: was a clearly Russian. I can't help it my conditioning.

430
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:43,240
Speaker 1: So you're you're not on board, And I wonder how

431
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:47,440
Speaker 1: many people would be on board with synthetic alcohol. No,

432
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:51,040
Speaker 1: it's okay. If you want to see how people would

433
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:53,200
Speaker 1: have to cope with being in space for long periods

434
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:54,959
Speaker 1: of time, look at how they coped with being at

435
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:58,359
Speaker 1: sea for long periods of time. Coming sex with manatees.

436
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:01,119
Speaker 1: That's one, right, it's one part. You're gonna need to

437
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:03,879
Speaker 1: bring some manities into space for fucking Yeah. But number

438
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:08,679
Speaker 1: two is rum, and I just I don't buy a

439
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 1: few space navy without rum. That's just a vehicle for

440
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 1: sex with the manity. Well, okay, so the British Navy

441
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 1: was famously able to function because of rum sodomy in

442
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 1: the lash, So Star Trek the next generation, you've got

443
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:24,639
Speaker 1: the sodomy lockdown. I mean that's just clear looking at

444
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 1: the way just Data and Jordy look at each other.

445
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:29,639
Speaker 1: But Rum is missing because Syntha Hall is not going

446
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,879
Speaker 1: to fill that hole in their hearts, and neither is

447
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:37,199
Speaker 1: Picard's flute playing it. What is it about? Real? Like

448
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:40,359
Speaker 1: if if the taste is exactly the same and the

449
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 1: effect the pleasant effects are the same, but you just

450
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,240
Speaker 1: can't get the negative effects? Is it? Is it just

451
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:48,600
Speaker 1: because like without that risk, it's just like it's it's

452
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 1: just too fake. It's it'd be like it's like bowling

453
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,439
Speaker 1: with the guardrails up where you get a strike but

454
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 1: it doesn't feel good. Well, yeah, the most fun things

455
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:02,880
Speaker 1: always involved some sort of risk them ending terribly right, um,

456
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 1: which is why people love the ski Like it's exciting

457
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:08,920
Speaker 1: and you can die. But yeah, so like if alcohol

458
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,920
Speaker 1: can't hurt you, then it's less exciting. But also, like

459
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 1: I don't know, I feel like these the lame future

460
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 1: people in Star Trek the next Generation say it's it

461
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 1: tastes the same, But I feel it's the same as

462
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,159
Speaker 1: like going to a party and like someone handing me

463
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:23,920
Speaker 1: a mock tail and being like it tastes just like

464
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:27,119
Speaker 1: a whiskey sour, Like, yeah, it doesn't. Yeah, it's just

465
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,679
Speaker 1: lemon juice. What if we what if we spice up

466
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:34,679
Speaker 1: the deal and say that this this synthe hal also

467
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 1: somehow simulates the experience of sex. What yeah, well, like

468
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:44,440
Speaker 1: like miss An episode, No no, no, no, Well maybe,

469
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:47,400
Speaker 1: but like you know, like in Futurama, that episode where

470
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,400
Speaker 1: everybody's having sex with robots and then the human race

471
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:53,640
Speaker 1: goes extinct. Yes, do you think if we had sex

472
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 1: and pillform that would happen? I mean that's the best

473
00:27:56,600 --> 00:28:00,160
Speaker 1: case scenario for the future. Well, we'd go out, it's

474
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 1: a lot of fun, and then we'd stop harassing animals.

475
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 1: I feel like our best case scenarios we invent a

476
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 1: super intelligent AI that's self sustaining, and then it gives

477
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 1: us sex pills and discards us like a cocoon. That's

478
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 1: that's like my hope for the future of our race.

479
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, I mean that's such a more. That's

480
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 1: that's like a really humane way for the robots to

481
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 1: take over. Like in the matrix, just have a sex matrix.

482
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 1: We would know Max, and he's like, no, why would

483
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:33,200
Speaker 1: you fight against this? No, one would try to wake

484
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 1: up from the fun matrix. No, you're totally free to leave,

485
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 1: but like you gotta pay taxes and stuff like No, nope,

486
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 1: back to the fu matrix. Yeah, well, so this is

487
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 1: not just pleasant hypothetical um meandering. Uh. You know how

488
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 1: insects they like to drink booze. Uh, there's theories that

489
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 1: they it helps with their spermatophores, which are these like

490
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 1: protein capsules that they transfer along with their Yeah yeah, yeah,

491
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 1: protein capsules. Yeah, So they transfer it to the female

492
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 1: along with their sperm during copulation in it provides nutrition

493
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 1: and drinking booze, you know, like gives them some kind

494
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 1: of nutritional boosts, like you were saying earlier, and so

495
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 1: they think that maybe that's why. But they found that

496
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 1: so these researchers made like this synthetic booze sex thing.

497
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 1: It combined, Like it both replaced sex and booze for

498
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 1: these fruit flies. So when male fruit flies are sexually rejected,

499
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 1: they will turn to booze more often to heal their

500
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 1: emotional wounds and all of us. And uh, the study

501
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 1: just like following these poor like uh unlaid fruit flies

502
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 1: and saying like how much they drink? And you know,

503
00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 1: it's very very relatable. But the crazy part is so

504
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 1: they suspected that maybe it was because, um, after they

505
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 1: have sex, they get this spike in neuropeptide F and

506
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 1: drinking alcohol triggers that neuropeptide F. So it's the next

507
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 1: best thing to actual love and physical contact. Um, And

508
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 1: that's how I would describe alcohol. Yeah. Yeah, and then

509
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 1: artificial simulation of neuropeptide F. So this is not alcohol,

510
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 1: this is not sex. This is a crazy creepy science

511
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 1: thing that they give to the fruit flies. It stops

512
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 1: them from seeking out alcohol. Um, so like replicates the

513
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:42,960
Speaker 1: rewards gained from either having sex or drinking booze, so

514
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 1: that these rejected fruit flies are like like, once they

515
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 1: get this neuropeptide F, they don't feel they need to drink. Well,

516
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 1: I mean we're that's clearly inevitable. That like, science will

517
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 1: figure out a way too with the push of a

518
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 1: button and maybe the stimulation of a couple of chemicals

519
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:00,960
Speaker 1: make you as happy as you are in the arms

520
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 1: of a person you love, like walking through Disneyland as

521
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 1: a six year old with your parents back before they

522
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 1: split up. Right, That's that's inevitable. It's going to happen.

523
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 1: It's going to collapse everything that we know, and either

524
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 1: robots will take over or we'll just funk ourselves to death.

525
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 1: I didn't actually see that. They did a study to

526
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 1: see if giving them the narrow peptide f stops them

527
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 1: from having sex, and I would really like to see that,

528
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 1: especially if you do it to mosquitoes or something else

529
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 1: we don't like, because then we could like make animals

530
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 1: go extinct even easier. Yeah, boy, that's one of those like, yeah,

531
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 1: why not why not release it into the air, like

532
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 1: it could be like in Snow Piercer, how they like

533
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 1: freeze the whole planet trying to fix it. What if

534
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 1: we just flood the whole planet's atmosphere with this happy,

535
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 1: fun chemical and everything just sort of goes to bed

536
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 1: and dies. That sounds like a much nicer way than

537
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 1: freezing the earth, like a much nicer way than what's

538
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 1: going to happen other right, right, Like maybe we could

539
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 1: just have this failsafe like like here, here's the fun bomb,

540
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 1: Like like we're gonna die anyways, might as well have

541
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 1: it be nice. Yeah, Look, the world's got maybe two

542
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 1: years left. We're gonna sit off the fun bomb. It's

543
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 1: it's fine. Yeah, And everyone's like probably like at first

544
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, but I want to live, But as

545
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 1: soon as that fun bomb goes off, it's like, yeah,

546
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 1: all right, you know what. This is fine, This is fine. Um.

547
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 1: And so here's the cool thing is that researchers are

548
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 1: starting to link neuropeptides to alcohol intake and humans as well.

549
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 1: So we are so close to this funck bomb becoming

550
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 1: a reality. That's always been the dream. Yeah it is.

551
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 1: It's it's the goal. It's what we have done from

552
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 1: our earliest bone wielding days to now. Um. And there

553
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 1: is a champion of this cause, David Nutt, who great

554
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 1: name for a champion of any cause. Oh he's got

555
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 1: the perfect name to be a contentious neuro psycho pharmacologist

556
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 1: Dr Nut Dr Nut Mr Doctor Nut. He Okay. So

557
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 1: he was on the Advisory Council on the Misuse of

558
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 1: Drugs in the UK, and he was relieved of his

559
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 1: position after he said that horse riding is more dangerous

560
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 1: than ecstasy. Oh this guy, Yeah, he's totally right. Yeah,

561
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 1: I mean he's because also, horseback riding is incredibly dangerous.

562
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 1: You can snap like a twig on a horse. We

563
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 1: just get kicked trying to that. Horse falls asleep, falls

564
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 1: on you. You're done, your ribs smashed in. But the

565
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 1: British really take their questionnaians, I don't know that a

566
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 1: question equestrian ism. There we go. I'm smart, I know words.

567
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 1: They take it super seriously and it was very offensive

568
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 1: to them that they would make this unfavorable comparison between

569
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 1: ecstasy and horses. But I loved in their comments about it.

570
00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:59,959
Speaker 1: I was like, they're like, oh, this is such an

571
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 1: such an uh, you know, inappropriate comparison. But they didn't

572
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 1: like mention like that. He was saying to see is

573
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 1: better than horses. Yeah, don't do drugs, but also don't

574
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 1: do horses. That's That's what I'm going to legally safely say. Anyways,

575
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 1: David Nutt is studying Benzo diazepines, which I knew you'd

576
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 1: like it. Benzos yeah, um, so they're found in valium,

577
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:33,799
Speaker 1: and valium is just Lovely's and valium is found in

578
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 1: Mexico and in mother's coffee. Uh um. So he's seeing

579
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 1: if he can replicate the pleasant effects of alcohol all

580
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 1: avoiding the dangerous side effects. Um, and he's He's also

581
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:55,279
Speaker 1: saying that benzos can be switched off with an antidote hill,

582
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 1: which would be so great for Russian pilots. Just like,

583
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:03,800
Speaker 1: get real drunk on benzos, then turn it off before

584
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,360
Speaker 1: your flight when people get fussy. See that sounds like

585
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 1: the real cynthe Hale is not change alcohol, but just

586
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 1: add a little switch inside people's heads, like oh I

587
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 1: gotta be sober now and then you're good. You should

588
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 1: make it external though, so other people can operate, see

589
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 1: whether or not, like red light green light? Okay, Like no,

590
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta switch off man remote controlled, Like yeah,

591
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 1: I know you spent forty dollars on vodka shots last night,

592
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:30,760
Speaker 1: but you really gotta, like there's a plane to be flown.

593
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:37,839
Speaker 1: So Robert, this is my favorite part because I get

594
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,839
Speaker 1: to ask you, um, how far have you gone to

595
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 1: test out getting high. I mean in terms of danger

596
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:52,800
Speaker 1: or in terms of distance. Yes, okay. So in my book,

597
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 1: one of the last or the last chapter is about

598
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 1: there's this drug I read about on Cracked years and

599
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:03,400
Speaker 1: years ago called salamander brandy that is a local beverage

600
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 1: to Slovenia, and Slovenia is a tiny little Balkan nation

601
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 1: of like two two million people, some very very tiny

602
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 1: country you can drive across in two hours. Um. So

603
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 1: they have this drink that's made from drowning a salamander

604
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 1: to death in brandy. Yeah, it's horrible. It's a horrible process,

605
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:26,760
Speaker 1: and the salamander as it's drowning, releases a shipload of poison.

606
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 1: And according a guy named Blaje, who was like a

607
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 1: Slovenian Slovenia hunter, s Thompson's kind of how I would

608
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:38,360
Speaker 1: describe him. Um. He wrote an article in the nineties

609
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 1: for a magazine called Latina about his experiences on salamander

610
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 1: brandy and claimed that it caused spontaneous, uncontrollable sexual attraction

611
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 1: to inanimate objects that he wanted to fund trees on it.

612
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:51,800
Speaker 1: Like it just got him so lit that he was

613
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 1: like couldn't stop, like trying to get his hands on

614
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 1: a local tree. I mean, it's a belief of this

615
00:36:56,640 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 1: podcast that trees are very sexy. Well, then you would

616
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,879
Speaker 1: agree with this brandy, or at least the mythical brand would.

617
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 1: Well maybe may not. I mean I traveled there and

618
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:09,840
Speaker 1: I spent like eight or nine days trying to track

619
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:12,479
Speaker 1: down salamander brandy. When all over I found a bunch

620
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 1: of different brandy makers and saw their stills, and they

621
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:19,280
Speaker 1: drank a lot of terrible Slovenian Like I had human brandy,

622
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 1: which is unbelievably bad. Um. I had some very good

623
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:25,799
Speaker 1: honey brandy too, but like, I've never had anything as

624
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 1: bad as human That sounds so bad. They kept giving

625
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 1: us free bottles of human liquor. What do we what

626
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 1: do we do with trying to get rid of that? Yeah,

627
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 1: because it's the worst idea one's ever had. Um. But

628
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 1: I couldn't find the salamander brandy. So I headed home

629
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:43,840
Speaker 1: and I learned as I was like desperately trying to

630
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 1: find someone who brought some of this stuff to the

631
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:47,919
Speaker 1: States and who could maybe get me some, I found

632
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:51,280
Speaker 1: out that you can just buy the kind of salamans

633
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 1: that they have over there, and so I had one

634
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 1: delivered to my door and they sent it to me

635
00:37:55,400 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 1: within like yeah, sound well, no okay. So I was like,

636
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 1: I'm not I love amphibians and reptiles. I've had them

637
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 1: since I was a kid, frogs and turtles, and I'm

638
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,760
Speaker 1: not going to murder a little animal to get drunk.

639
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 1: So I got him. I set him up in like

640
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 1: a cage and everything like. I got him like a

641
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 1: good habitat, and I let it give him about thirty

642
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 1: days to settle in, and then once every three days,

643
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 1: I would I would wash off a pair of non

644
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 1: latex gloves um, and I would pick him up and

645
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 1: I would massage his poison glands until he secreted poison

646
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 1: onto my hand and then I would put him back

647
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 1: in the cage and let him rest for a couple

648
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:31,840
Speaker 1: of days. And they do. And I did that like

649
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 1: a dozen times until I had uh oh, and I

650
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 1: would wash the gloves off with liquor um, and then

651
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 1: I simmered it all once I had about a pint's worth,

652
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 1: and then I drank all of that in the course

653
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,799
Speaker 1: of I don't know, twenty or thirty minutes, and I

654
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 1: didn't feel spontaneously attracted to animals. But it almost paralyzed

655
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 1: my legs, Like I couldn't walk for a while. I was,

656
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 1: I was like wobbly. Fourteen or fifteen hours later, Um,

657
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 1: I had like terrible motor cord nation. It was just

658
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:04,320
Speaker 1: like like and there's some paralytic agents inside the poison.

659
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 1: So I was like, Okay, maybe that's what was going on.

660
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 1: But that's yeah. I don't want to endorse this, but

661
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 1: I feel like maybe if you had drowned the salamander,

662
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 1: maybe you would have been attracted to inanimate objects like

663
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 1: you didn't do it, right, That's that's possible. I I

664
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 1: I can't confirm that because I wasn't able to find

665
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:24,400
Speaker 1: any of it. Um, not like you could walk towards

666
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 1: like the chair you were suddenly interested in. Yeah, if

667
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 1: I wanted to suck the chair, I probably couldn't have

668
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 1: made my way over to it. So was it pleasant

669
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 1: or like? No, oh no, she didn't kill it. Yeah, No,

670
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 1: he's still alive as far as I know. I gave

671
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:41,400
Speaker 1: him to a biology student at a local university, so

672
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 1: he's he found a good home. That's great. Yeah, he's

673
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 1: like a biology student of like like dissection. I mean,

674
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:54,240
Speaker 1: it's Humboldt States, and he's probably a hippie kid, right yeah.

675
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 1: Um so so it wasn't pleasant, and I wouldn't say

676
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:00,359
Speaker 1: something were you in danger, like do you think could

677
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:02,719
Speaker 1: have killed you? I mean maybe if I'd had more.

678
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:09,760
Speaker 1: It certainly wasn't good. Yeah, I wouldn't recommend it to anyone. Yeah,

679
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 1: So don't don't do salamanders, don't do horses maybe, but

680
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 1: you didn't hear it from me. Don't do wink ecstasy,

681
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 1: but don't seriously don't do it legally speaking. So what's

682
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 1: a rat parents worst nightmare? It's not drug pushers, it's scientists.

683
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 1: There are tons of studies that look at the effects

684
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 1: of drugs on rats, but the hope that it may

685
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 1: treat human addiction. But these dastardly drug lord scientists haven't

686
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 1: been able to offload their drugs on non mammals until

687
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 1: just recently. Neuroscientists at the University of Scranton have gotten

688
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 1: ants addicted to morphine. The studies senior author Mark Sade says,

689
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:59,800
Speaker 1: we can addict individual ants and see how that affects

690
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 1: the ants social network, which is somewhat like humans. The

691
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:06,880
Speaker 1: study found that after developing an addiction to morphine. The

692
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 1: ants even preferred it to sugar, and ants are like

693
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 1: crazy for sugar. Then, because the study wouldn't be complete

694
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 1: without a torture porn element, the researchers removed the ant's

695
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 1: brains and measured higher amounts of dopamine, and dopamine indicates

696
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 1: a similar response in ants as in humans to the morphine.

697
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 1: Not content to stop there, the next step in their

698
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:31,319
Speaker 1: research is to see if they can tear apart the

699
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 1: fabric of ant society by introducing a morphine epidemic. We

700
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 1: need to take a quick break to hold an antervention.

701
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:47,440
Speaker 1: In the meantime, here's a message back soon. So my

702
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:50,720
Speaker 1: favorite song from West Side Story is Officer krup Key.

703
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:54,240
Speaker 1: I remember it being shown in a history of psychiatry class.

704
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 1: It was meant to illustrate how mental hygiene and juvenile

705
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 1: delinquents had entered the public conscious this But is there

706
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 1: truth to the idea that young people are more susceptible

707
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 1: to being troublemakers? Can we find examples of young punk animals?

708
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 1: Robert and I discussed the science on whether the kids

709
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:15,280
Speaker 1: are all right? And we find a rather literal example

710
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:18,360
Speaker 1: in the wild of the jets versus the sharks, except

711
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 1: it's otters versus the sharks, and spoiler, the sharks usually

712
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 1: win and we are back. Um. So Robert was just

713
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:33,319
Speaker 1: telling me about how salamander juice booze was not a

714
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 1: fun time, and like, I feel worse for the salamanders

715
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 1: that get drowned to make the booze. But it's also

716
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:42,799
Speaker 1: a little bit strange. I feel like for that salamander

717
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:46,279
Speaker 1: to just get like massaged for his juices. I mean,

718
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:49,319
Speaker 1: like it it sounds kind of okay, but also just

719
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 1: like just a little like did he make eye contact

720
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 1: with you ever? And was it like super awkward? He

721
00:42:55,960 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 1: certainly didn't understand what was happening salamander, right, But you know,

722
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's one of those I'm not going

723
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:05,719
Speaker 1: to claim that like it was an act of goodness

724
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 1: to missogyn for his poison. Um, it was necessary for science.

725
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 1: I mean it affects me at a deep personal level

726
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:15,399
Speaker 1: because when I was a kid, I read this book

727
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 1: called The Chocolate Fever where the kid eats so much

728
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:21,840
Speaker 1: chocolate he breaks out in a chocolate rash and people

729
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 1: are trying to lick them and like dogs, Yeah, and

730
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 1: dogs like chase after him, trying to lick them, which

731
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 1: is really horrifying because first of all, chocolate is poisoned

732
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 1: to dogs. Dogs I don't know. I think dogs just

733
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 1: love chocolate and they don't know any better. So so

734
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 1: it's like dogs are chasing them, but if he lets

735
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 1: them catch them, he gets mauled and the dogs die.

736
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:46,400
Speaker 1: It's the worst thing. But that book like gave me nightmares,

737
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:49,720
Speaker 1: just the idea of like someone like, Wow, your skin

738
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:53,760
Speaker 1: looks delicious, I'm gonna lick it. And so I feel

739
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:57,799
Speaker 1: a lot of sympathy for your salamander, but also, uh

740
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 1: for toads, because you know, the whole toad licking thing,

741
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 1: it's not it's not purely an urban legend, although there

742
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 1: are aspects to it that are sort of apocryphal. But like, yeah,

743
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 1: you can get high from licking cane toads, well, not

744
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 1: from licking them. You gotta scrape the poison, you gotta um. Well,

745
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 1: you can't. You can't chew on them. You can suck

746
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 1: on them and get it. I'm pretty sure I've never

747
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:25,720
Speaker 1: heard that, but you may be right. Well I've always

748
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 1: heard you had to. It's like it's a d M T.

749
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 1: That's in there right right, Yeah, it's five m e

750
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 1: O d mt. I think yeah. And I've always heard

751
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 1: that you had to you had to get the poison

752
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:35,840
Speaker 1: and then you had to dry it and then you

753
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 1: would like basically smoke it in a crack pipe. That

754
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 1: may be true for humans. Um. For dogs, they just

755
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:45,279
Speaker 1: go go full ham on that toad and just start

756
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 1: chewing on it. So in um and humans, it's not

757
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 1: really that big of a problem. Like teens aren't doing

758
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 1: toad pods, they're just like, uh, you know that. There's

759
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 1: a professor are of Tropical and Emerging Infectious Diseases, the

760
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 1: same Spark Cury, who claims that there have been a

761
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:08,359
Speaker 1: lot of deaths and other parts of the world from

762
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:11,799
Speaker 1: people trying to use cane tone venom for recreational purposes,

763
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 1: and he's doing research into like how snakes are able

764
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 1: to survive it and for a possible antidote. But that's

765
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 1: not I think that's probably what you're saying. I don't

766
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 1: think that's toad licking. I think that's that's they're just

767
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 1: using the venom and processing it. Um. But there aren't

768
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 1: any There haven't been any deaths in Australia from cane

769
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 1: toad licking. But there have been deaths in dogs because

770
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:40,359
Speaker 1: they will they love them. They like they just picked

771
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 1: them up in their mouths and they start like chewing

772
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 1: on them and slow fat treat and they get super high.

773
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 1: And I mean it's sad because there have been fifty

774
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 1: reported dog deaths a year in Australia. But like there

775
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 1: are some more lighthearted ones where it's like, there's this

776
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:04,320
Speaker 1: family whose dog Lady was caught sucking toads all the time.

777
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:08,280
Speaker 1: And they said, and this is a quote, we noticed

778
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 1: lady spending an awful lot of time down by the

779
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 1: pond in our backyard. And then they say, she finally

780
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 1: staggered over to me from the cat tails. She looked

781
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 1: up at me, leaned her head over and opened her

782
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:22,479
Speaker 1: mouth like she was going to throw up, and out

783
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:25,360
Speaker 1: plopped this disgusting toad. She had the whole toad in

784
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 1: her mouth. But they're big, right, Oh yeah, cane toes

785
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 1: are big. They're they're like the size of a large well,

786
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 1: they're bigger than a rat. I think, do we have

787
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 1: a picture of this lady's mouth. This is a dog

788
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 1: named sorry that no, no, this is a dog named

789
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 1: Lady Dog named lady. Okay, total sense. This lady just

790
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:55,720
Speaker 1: like spending a lot of time by the pond shoving

791
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 1: entire toads in her m. That's why I imagine it

792
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 1: like it almost Twilight Zone thing, like woman walks up

793
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:03,319
Speaker 1: to you from your backyard and you're like, there's something wrong,

794
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:08,839
Speaker 1: am giant. That sounds like a David Lynch thing, and

795
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 1: I don't like it. Yeah, that's that was in fact

796
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 1: in the New Twin peaks like that frog thing crawls

797
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 1: into that chick's mouth. I haven't watched any of the Twin.

798
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:24,280
Speaker 1: David Lynch, you stinker, And I drink his coffee sometimes,

799
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 1: David Lynch, it's called David Lynch coffee. Is it like

800
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:34,840
Speaker 1: weird with vague references to Native American? It's just good coffee.

801
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 1: I think David Lynch just likes coffee and has a coffee.

802
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 1: So fugu fish, Robert tried to uh no, but I

803
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:47,919
Speaker 1: watched the Simpsons episode. Yes, I believe we all have.

804
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 1: So there's the episode where Homer eats the fugu fish,

805
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 1: which a fugu fish is a puffer fish and they're

806
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 1: extremely toxic, but parts of the fish are very good sushi.

807
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 1: And in the episode, which is racist. It is a

808
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:10,279
Speaker 1: racist episodes, thanks the Simpsons. Like, the chef is just

809
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 1: like some intern and he doesn't know what he's doing

810
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 1: my business. That's well, that part's not racist. No, having

811
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:24,719
Speaker 1: sex with Kribopple is just a it's just a natural thing.

812
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 1: But like, um, uh so in the in the episode,

813
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 1: he may have eaten it, but they're not sure because

814
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:34,400
Speaker 1: this inexperienced chef prepares it and so the doctors like,

815
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 1: you probably have only forty eight hours to live, and uh,

816
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 1: but that's just that's not how it works. I mean,

817
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 1: people do occasionally die from it, but very occasionally. They're

818
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 1: From two thousand and four to two thirteen, there were

819
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:52,279
Speaker 1: only twelve deaths from eating food goo. And there's a

820
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 1: treatment for it, which is you go to the hospital.

821
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 1: They keep your respiratory and circulatory systems going until you

822
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:02,439
Speaker 1: can get the poison out of your system the natural way. Yeah,

823
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 1: and then you're only what a quarter million dollars in debt. Yeah,

824
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:08,760
Speaker 1: that's great. I don't know how healthcare works like in Japan,

825
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:11,920
Speaker 1: it's it's way better, and I'm sure it is. Yeah, um,

826
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:16,439
Speaker 1: but it is scary because the toxin paralyzes you while

827
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:21,280
Speaker 1: you remain fully conscious and you eventually die from asphyxiation

828
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:24,840
Speaker 1: being unable to breathe. So it's method of action is

829
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:29,320
Speaker 1: similar to Sarah gas. Yeah cool, but in a fish

830
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:32,839
Speaker 1: that's hip. Yeah yeah, And but you know you can

831
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 1: go to a hospital, but there are no dolphin hospitals,

832
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 1: and dolphins are having the reef madness. Wait our dolphins

833
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 1: getting high off of puffer fish. It's fantastic. Ya. It's

834
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 1: like it's like living heroin if you get high up.

835
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:50,920
Speaker 1: It's because it's like a ball. It's like a ball

836
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:53,439
Speaker 1: of needles you find on the ground and you're just like, oh,

837
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:56,239
Speaker 1: this is a living ball of needles. I'm gonna rub

838
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 1: up against it. So they like play a little dolphin

839
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:04,200
Speaker 1: volleyball and then like and then researchers report seeing them

840
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 1: lying around on the floor of the ocean in a

841
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:11,760
Speaker 1: catatonic state. Do we I mean, first off, that's amazing

842
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:13,800
Speaker 1: to be the puffer fish in that situation, because I

843
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 1: imagine if you're an animal like a puffer fish, that

844
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 1: means instant death to anything that touches you. You have

845
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 1: a lot of confidence. It's like always having the Mario star.

846
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 1: And then like dolphins come into the picture. What is happening? Oh,

847
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:29,919
Speaker 1: can you imagine like zorbing and like so the zorb

848
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 1: is one of those big orbs that you go into

849
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 1: and it's like this like inflatable ball that you're in

850
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:37,800
Speaker 1: the center of. And then like having just like large

851
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 1: marine animals like killer whales just like whooping you around

852
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 1: an option for life, I hope, so make it happen.

853
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 1: It sounds like you're describing a dream. No, no, I

854
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:51,880
Speaker 1: mean the zorb is real. I don't think having killer

855
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:54,360
Speaker 1: whales boop you around while you are inside of the

856
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 1: zorb is real. That feels like an oversight. Yeah, I

857
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:02,920
Speaker 1: mean like Tesla get on it. So yeah, that that

858
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:06,880
Speaker 1: does seem fun for both the dolphin and the puffer fish.

859
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 1: Um Marine biologists Christie Wilcox uh says she's skeptical that

860
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 1: dolphins are intentionally dragging themselves, but come on, of course

861
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:22,280
Speaker 1: they are. Come on fucking courses, get high, intentionally open

862
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 1: your eyes. I know they're your precious babies, but you

863
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 1: know you got to have the talk with them, Like

864
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:29,840
Speaker 1: an animal doesn't have to be smart to when I

865
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:32,280
Speaker 1: get drunk. But we know that lots of like elephants

866
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:34,799
Speaker 1: will seek out alcohol and get wasted. Elephants will kill

867
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 1: people to get access to their wine. Um so, like

868
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:42,759
Speaker 1: dolphins are smart, of course they intentional. I disagree with you,

869
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:46,880
Speaker 1: expert marine biologist Christie Wilcox. I'm calling you out. Well.

870
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:49,719
Speaker 1: I feel like she might be an expert on animals,

871
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:52,399
Speaker 1: but she's not an expert on getting wrecked, right right,

872
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 1: That is true. You need to be both. Um. So,

873
00:51:55,600 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 1: she describes the pepper fish toxin as one and twenty

874
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 1: thousand times as deadly as cocaine, four hundred thousands and

875
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 1: times as deadly as meth, and more than fifty million

876
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:11,880
Speaker 1: times as deadly as th HC. Although we is t

877
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:14,880
Speaker 1: C deadly at all. I don't think it has an

878
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:16,880
Speaker 1: elderie fifty, which is like the amount of it that

879
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 1: you would have to take to die. I don't know

880
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:20,440
Speaker 1: if that's ever been determined, which is not to say

881
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 1: that you couldn't. But I feel like fifty million maybe

882
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:29,799
Speaker 1: might do it. Fifty millions, fifty millions. My questioning here

883
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:33,440
Speaker 1: actually is okay, So she's saying that this poison is

884
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:37,319
Speaker 1: a hundred and twenty thousand times deadlier than cocaine and

885
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:40,799
Speaker 1: four hundred thousand times deadlier than meth, which means is

886
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 1: she's saying, now, I'm not I'm not a smart man,

887
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:45,359
Speaker 1: I'm not good at math. But is she saying that,

888
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:48,359
Speaker 1: like it seems like from her calculus then that she's

889
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 1: saying that cocaine is a lot deadlier than meth. I

890
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 1: mean that seems to be what the math math is saying.

891
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 1: So I have some questions right off the bad because

892
00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 1: I I feel like, first off, having done both of

893
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 1: those substances, like meth amphetamine is a way more powerful drug,

894
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:05,880
Speaker 1: and I feel like it kills a lot more people

895
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:08,960
Speaker 1: than just cocaine. Now, if we're comparing it to crack,

896
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:11,880
Speaker 1: like they're on more of an even keel. Yeah, but

897
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:15,360
Speaker 1: maybe that's what she means. Maybe she's just too fancy

898
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:19,360
Speaker 1: to say crack. Yeah, yeah, I don't know. I can't

899
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:22,719
Speaker 1: speak for marine biologist Christie Wilcox. Also, is it four

900
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:25,400
Speaker 1: hundred thousand times as fun as cocaine? I don't know.

901
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:28,920
Speaker 1: She didn't say. I would assume so though, like in

902
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:31,440
Speaker 1: a hundred and twenty would be a hundred and twenty

903
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:35,080
Speaker 1: thousand times more fun than cocaine and more fun than meth.

904
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 1: Cocaine is not very fun, but I feel like a

905
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:40,720
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty thousand times funner would be really fun.

906
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 1: She also says, and this I think is more in

907
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 1: her wheelhouse. She says it's tends tends to hundreds of

908
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:50,280
Speaker 1: times more lethal than the venoms of the most notorious

909
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:53,239
Speaker 1: animals in the world, including the widow spiders in the

910
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 1: black mamba. It's more potent than VX, nerve gas, formaldehyde,

911
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 1: or even rice, and it is quite literally one of

912
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 1: the most toxic compounds known to man. Okay, but none

913
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:06,960
Speaker 1: of this is her talking about how how fun it

914
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:08,959
Speaker 1: is to get high. No, she didn't say how fun

915
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:12,560
Speaker 1: it is, which makes me think it's really really fun.

916
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 1: Or is it possible that it's just like dolphin chocolate,

917
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:20,840
Speaker 1: Like so, like we chocolate is great for us, it's delicious,

918
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:24,400
Speaker 1: but dogs die from it. Maybe they're fine taking this ship,

919
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:27,640
Speaker 1: but it kills everything else. Dogs is to chocolate is

920
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:33,439
Speaker 1: to humans, as humans is to puffer fish is to dolphins. Yes, yeah,

921
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:36,279
Speaker 1: I feel like that's probably yeah, yeah, like they're just

922
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:39,440
Speaker 1: having the equivalent of a dr pepper, but to us

923
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:43,279
Speaker 1: it's instant death. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah for sure. I

924
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:45,920
Speaker 1: mean she didn't say any dolphins has has died from this.

925
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:49,840
Speaker 1: Maybe they have, but she didn't say. I mean, I

926
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:55,040
Speaker 1: feel like we nailed this and should get the credit. Yeah,

927
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:58,160
Speaker 1: nailed it. Yeah, so let's talk to the teens for

928
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:01,560
Speaker 1: a minute. Let's talk talk to something their teenagers here,

929
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:03,759
Speaker 1: because I was not told that. No no, no no,

930
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:07,480
Speaker 1: um why why why do you mean to know? I

931
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:10,719
Speaker 1: don't like teenagers? Yeah, well I don't approve of them.

932
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:15,080
Speaker 1: Well you know that don't do teens? Teens stop being teens.

933
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:17,400
Speaker 1: We should have an island for teenagers and then a

934
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:21,960
Speaker 1: country for adults. Yeah, yeah, teen island. Can you imagine

935
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:24,120
Speaker 1: how sick and rad it would be to be on

936
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:26,120
Speaker 1: teen islands? I don't want to imagine. I just want

937
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:30,839
Speaker 1: them to be locked away. Well, you know, so let's

938
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:36,240
Speaker 1: sell those teens all that dabbing, all the tide pod dabbing.

939
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:39,399
Speaker 1: Are talking about the dance move dabbing, the dance dab

940
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:44,799
Speaker 1: dance dab dance dabs that that the tanagers like to do.

941
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:49,359
Speaker 1: The tanagers do you do have the deb So like

942
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:51,560
Speaker 1: we we think they're just idiots, and I mean, like

943
00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:56,759
Speaker 1: scientifically a little bit, but like we do overestimate their

944
00:55:56,920 --> 00:55:59,759
Speaker 1: risk taking at least by one metric which is that

945
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 1: when the risk is of something known like drugs or sex,

946
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:08,160
Speaker 1: they overestimate how risky it is. So they think things

947
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:12,799
Speaker 1: and God bless our sex education. Um. But when they

948
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:14,920
Speaker 1: were pulled, it was found that teens think there's a

949
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:19,880
Speaker 1: sixty chance of a girl getting HIV if she's having sex. Uh,

950
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 1: which is a little off because in the US the

951
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 1: lifetime risk for women is only one in two and

952
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:29,520
Speaker 1: forty one. I feel like that's as much an indictment

953
00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:34,959
Speaker 1: of our mathematics classes as it is of our sex. Yeah. Yeah, math,

954
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:39,240
Speaker 1: math and sex. My history teacher was my sex, said teacher,

955
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:42,360
Speaker 1: and like, no, no, no, I'm sorry. My economics teacher

956
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:45,360
Speaker 1: was my sex, said teacher. And you would like pop

957
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:47,640
Speaker 1: in a John Stossel And I'm like, are we learning

958
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:55,040
Speaker 1: about sex or economics? I can't tell they're stuff. Um. So,

959
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:58,839
Speaker 1: I mean teens are big risk takers, but like when

960
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:01,960
Speaker 1: the outcome is unknown own, Uh, they are much more

961
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:07,520
Speaker 1: likely to want to take risks. And also, um, wild

962
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:11,120
Speaker 1: teens are still the biggest binge drinking demographic. The rates

963
00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:13,840
Speaker 1: of alcohol consumption amongst teens have been going down for

964
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:18,360
Speaker 1: at least a decade. Um. Yeah, and I liked how

965
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:21,800
Speaker 1: the authors of the article is like, is it social media? Maybe?

966
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:26,440
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like, there's a lot of things happening

967
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 1: right now that have never happened before, so you're gonna

968
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:32,960
Speaker 1: latch onto any of those. But you could also be like,

969
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:37,280
Speaker 1: is it tide pods? Probably the tide tide pods has

970
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:46,520
Speaker 1: replaced millennials are killing the alcohol industry with the type pods. Um. So, conversely,

971
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:51,240
Speaker 1: alcohol consumption has been increasing amongst the baby boomer demographic,

972
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:54,960
Speaker 1: especially especially for those who are educated. In our women

973
00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:58,960
Speaker 1: so shout out to my smart old ladies getting crunk. Well,

974
00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:01,959
Speaker 1: it's for for old women to get drunk and young women.

975
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:05,600
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's true. No, it is. It is. Um.

976
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:08,080
Speaker 1: It's safer to get drunk after you have had a

977
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:12,480
Speaker 1: kid because breast tissue continues to develop until the point

978
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:14,720
Speaker 1: at which you get pregnant and developing. That's why you

979
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:17,160
Speaker 1: don't want kids to drink, because developing tissue is more

980
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:18,960
Speaker 1: likely to be affected. So you have a higher risk

981
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:21,560
Speaker 1: of breast cancer if you drink before your pregnancy as

982
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:25,560
Speaker 1: opposed to starting afterwards. Okay, okay, yeah, no that I

983
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:28,680
Speaker 1: didn't know that. That's that's really interesting. I wish you

984
00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:33,520
Speaker 1: and told me that no, none of its goodness. Um well,

985
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:36,120
Speaker 1: that that is interesting. So they are. I guess they're

986
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:40,240
Speaker 1: just like it's time, it is time, time for the

987
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:44,120
Speaker 1: young corn. But I mean teens are still I mean

988
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:46,480
Speaker 1: they still do drink the most. It's just good. I

989
00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:50,640
Speaker 1: think it is good. Um yeah yeah, but like like

990
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:53,760
Speaker 1: you know, like catch them up, like my my final

991
00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:58,320
Speaker 1: educated ladies, you know, beat them, take them down. I'm

992
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 1: I feel like anything that's slows these kid liam they're

993
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:05,080
Speaker 1: all getting into politics now, you just gotta slow them down. Yeah. Yeah,

994
00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:08,040
Speaker 1: drunk protesting, that doesn't once you're Once you've had a

995
00:59:08,080 --> 00:59:11,160
Speaker 1: few drinks, you don't feel like being politically hacked out.

996
00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:13,080
Speaker 1: That's what the n r a ot to do is

997
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:16,120
Speaker 1: give more money to whatever charity tries to get kids

998
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:19,800
Speaker 1: to drink, be the National Rum Associated. There you go.

999
00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:24,840
Speaker 1: Um So, teen animals, I'm sorry to say human teens

1000
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:29,760
Speaker 1: are way more extreme than you. Um So. I believe

1001
00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:32,960
Speaker 1: you wrote about this in your book, But teen Vervet

1002
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:37,240
Speaker 1: monkeys love alcohol and they prefer it over sugar water.

1003
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:41,480
Speaker 1: And there are stories about people capturing monkeys by offering

1004
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:44,760
Speaker 1: them rum and molasses and coconut shells. Did you write

1005
00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:47,280
Speaker 1: about this? I didn't write about vervet monkeys, but other

1006
00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:50,200
Speaker 1: monkeys have been found too. It's like a monkey thing.

1007
00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:52,720
Speaker 1: They love. They love to get let yeah, and and

1008
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:56,040
Speaker 1: like I just love that, like these these old timey

1009
00:59:56,080 --> 00:59:58,960
Speaker 1: people would put rum and molasses and coconut shells and

1010
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:02,360
Speaker 1: like the monkeys get wasted. They just like pick up

1011
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:04,760
Speaker 1: the monkeys and like the monkeys are like, dude, are

1012
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:07,960
Speaker 1: you in my Huber's. I'm gonna be honest, that's almost

1013
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:11,480
Speaker 1: certainly how we got aids. It's just people getting monkeys

1014
01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:14,040
Speaker 1: drunk and one of them is not quite drunk enof

1015
01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:17,920
Speaker 1: and bites you. I thought you were going away different

1016
01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:25,400
Speaker 1: and I'm glad. Oh hey that's not um so uh

1017
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:27,520
Speaker 1: but you know, so, you know, like with these like

1018
01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:33,200
Speaker 1: stupid challenges, like now there's the condom snorting challenge, which wait, no, okay,

1019
01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:36,800
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to catch me up on this one. Well,

1020
01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:41,680
Speaker 1: I don't actually know. I'm I am not eight eighteen teenagers,

1021
01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:45,760
Speaker 1: so I'm not really sure. I think it's like snorting.

1022
01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:52,160
Speaker 1: I think an unused condom. I don't know why, I

1023
01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:56,040
Speaker 1: don't know how or any of the details or even

1024
01:00:56,080 --> 01:00:58,040
Speaker 1: if it's a thing or if it's just Fox News

1025
01:00:58,080 --> 01:01:01,520
Speaker 1: being like teenager. Yeah. I feel like there's two types

1026
01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:03,880
Speaker 1: of this thing, and one of them is like Oprah's

1027
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:06,840
Speaker 1: Lipstick Parties, where it's never happened and like somebody just

1028
01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:09,200
Speaker 1: makes it up and it's such a good story for

1029
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:12,360
Speaker 1: salacious news. And then there's like tide Pods, where like

1030
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:15,280
Speaker 1: two people do it for a laugh and then it's

1031
01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:18,280
Speaker 1: like this is a craze that's hitting the country, like

1032
01:01:18,320 --> 01:01:23,080
Speaker 1: Anthony Jason, stop it, Yeah you too, but then everyone

1033
01:01:23,120 --> 01:01:27,160
Speaker 1: else gets the rap for it. Yeah. Well, so imagine

1034
01:01:27,160 --> 01:01:31,160
Speaker 1: though that like the nude like tide Pods is like

1035
01:01:31,240 --> 01:01:35,840
Speaker 1: teenagers going to a really really dangerous part of the world,

1036
01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:40,400
Speaker 1: um like just like going to North Korea for spring

1037
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:44,280
Speaker 1: break or something, which I'm actually not sure how dangerous

1038
01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:47,080
Speaker 1: that is for tourists. I mean, if you do it legally,

1039
01:01:47,120 --> 01:01:48,920
Speaker 1: it's perfect pretty safe as long as you don't try

1040
01:01:48,920 --> 01:01:52,560
Speaker 1: to steal a banner, oh man. But like if they

1041
01:01:52,600 --> 01:01:55,800
Speaker 1: went there and they're like trying to like take down stairs,

1042
01:01:55,840 --> 01:01:59,640
Speaker 1: like griff feeding over statues, putting like weird little mustaches

1043
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:05,160
Speaker 1: on propaganda posters, just like seeking out the most dangerous

1044
01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:08,080
Speaker 1: like active war zones that they can possibly go to

1045
01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:11,200
Speaker 1: and then snapchatting from it. It's just all these like

1046
01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:14,680
Speaker 1: teenage guys going like with sub snapchat here. I am like,

1047
01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:18,360
Speaker 1: sounds like there's some drones overhead anyways, like in subscribe.

1048
01:02:19,720 --> 01:02:21,560
Speaker 1: I bet we could get logan Paul to do that

1049
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Speaker 1: and also solve our Logan Paul problems. Birds with one stone. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I know some places we should send Logan Paul um

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01:02:29,680 --> 01:02:35,080
Speaker 1: so obnoxious. Yeah, I it makes totals like dangerous. Stuff

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Speaker 1: is fun. It's always been fun, and it's probably always

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01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:42,920
Speaker 1: like that's why. That's why some groups of human beings left.

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Speaker 1: Like you look at like early human life and like

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Speaker 1: eastern Eastern Africa where like the first people were. It's

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Speaker 1: like it's nice, you got all the food you need,

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Speaker 1: you pick it up. Like there's some animals you gotta

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Speaker 1: worry about, but like it's a pretty chill life. You

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Speaker 1: only have to work a couple of hours a day.

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Speaker 1: But like some people are like you know that play

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Speaker 1: it's like across the ocean that always looks like it's

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Speaker 1: stormy and cold and miserable. I bet, I bet it's cool. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I bet it's dangerous and then chicks will be impressed. Well,

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Speaker 1: that's definitely how otters feel, because teenage otters like to

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Speaker 1: venture into the Triangle of Death, which is so metal sounding,

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Speaker 1: oh my god, and it's it's just teenage boy otters,

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Speaker 1: like like juvenile male otters who go to this triangle

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Speaker 1: and it is in fact a death triangle because it's full,

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Speaker 1: it's in the ocean south of San Francisco Bay. It's

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Speaker 1: full of great white sharks, strong currents, sharp rocks, and

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Speaker 1: it's riddled with ti ganda. Yeah, it's a murder beach. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's it's the death Triangle. And like conservationists don't find

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Speaker 1: adult otters, they don't find baby otters because the moms

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Speaker 1: are like holding their lily ends because otters are so cute. Um,

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Speaker 1: But like teenage punk otters are going in like male

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Speaker 1: otters too. Apparently the female otters are just like not

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Speaker 1: having any of it, but like they're they're the only

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Speaker 1: ones that the conservationists tend to find in this uh

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Speaker 1: and like the death zone. Yeah, it's like the otter

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Speaker 1: equivalent of Vice News going out there and yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's just like like we just went into this pool

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Speaker 1: of sharks and chicken out and they're like and they're

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01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:29,800
Speaker 1: like stupid little like like hipster uniforms. So otters like

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01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:33,400
Speaker 1: to risk danger like the rest of us. Yeah, it's

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01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:35,240
Speaker 1: the same thing. It's the auto equivalent of joining the

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Speaker 1: marine corps, like sharp rocks and sharks. Yeah, Ti Ganda. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: is that the same thing that cats have. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: the thing that rats get that makes them like cats.

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Speaker 1: So that's fun. It is fun. Yeah, that would be

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01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:51,240
Speaker 1: like the thing to do if you could go back

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Speaker 1: in time to like really upset the military history. It's

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Speaker 1: just like air drop a bunch of cats on the

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Speaker 1: like the Mongols, and then be like they can't fight,

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Speaker 1: so get no more. Didn't some group of people do

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Speaker 1: the thing where they strap bombs to cats, Like I

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Speaker 1: think we've tried to weaponize cats a few times. The

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Speaker 1: US tried a thing where they wanted to strap bombs

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Speaker 1: to pigeons and drop hundreds of thousands of pigeons on

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Speaker 1: Tokyo and then the pigeons would hide in houses and ignite.

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Speaker 1: But then we figured out a nuke and that was

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Speaker 1: that's worse. But the other one's pretty bad too. I mean,

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Speaker 1: there's they're morally different because like one of them involves

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Speaker 1: murdering a bunch of animals to murder a bunch of people,

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Speaker 1: and one of them is just murdering more people for

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Speaker 1: a longer period of time. I would still have to

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Speaker 1: say the non pigeons one is worse, which sounds really

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Speaker 1: bad because the first one is still They're both bad.

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Speaker 1: It's not a contest. Yeah, but only one of them

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Speaker 1: would get protested by Peter Harsh but true. Yeah, um yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean I thought someone tried to do like a

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Speaker 1: surveillance with cats once to I mean they may have,

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Speaker 1: and then like the cat just like immediately got hit

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Speaker 1: by a car. I feel like any plan that involves

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Speaker 1: a cat doing a thing that is not whatever the

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Speaker 1: cat wants to do. No, don't invest your military box

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01:06:10,800 --> 01:06:16,200
Speaker 1: into cats, guys. How should we go about dealing with

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Speaker 1: human teens? Is there a way to curb their risky behavior?

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Speaker 1: A lot of our culture seems to believe in scaring

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Speaker 1: the crap out of kids to get them to stop

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Speaker 1: risky behaviors, terrifying p s a s or movies like

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Speaker 1: Red Asphalt, but the goal of showing so much gore

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01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:34,040
Speaker 1: and terror kids will be too scared to do anything stupid,

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Speaker 1: But does this actually help? Researchers looked at Scared Straight,

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Speaker 1: a prison visitation program. It right and young people away

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Speaker 1: from engaging in criminal activity by showing them unsettling consequences.

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Speaker 1: But not only did the program fail to reduce the

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Speaker 1: numbers of juvenile offenders, it actually seemed to increase them,

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Speaker 1: ranging from two to five across a number of studies.

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Speaker 1: So what can adults do? One study suggested that open

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Speaker 1: communication with parents reduced the amount of sexual risk taking

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Speaker 1: in teens. So, as uncomfortable as it is, a frank,

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01:07:09,160 --> 01:07:11,520
Speaker 1: honest discussion about the birds and the bees might be

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Speaker 1: the only way to go about it. Speaking of birds,

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Speaker 1: scientists created some daredevil finches in the lab. They bred

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Speaker 1: a line of finches who naturally produced more portosome, which

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Speaker 1: is a stress hormone, in response to startling situations. These

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01:07:26,600 --> 01:07:30,280
Speaker 1: high level stress hormone birds took greater risks and were

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01:07:30,320 --> 01:07:34,440
Speaker 1: bolder in exploring new environments to find seed. The scientists

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01:07:34,440 --> 01:07:37,440
Speaker 1: would also test their braveness by startling them with food

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Speaker 1: dishes that would snap closed, and found out that the

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Speaker 1: hero birds weren't so easily scared off. So let me

1142
01:07:44,160 --> 01:07:47,520
Speaker 1: get this straight. Scientists have created fearless birds, whom they

1143
01:07:47,640 --> 01:07:52,600
Speaker 1: repeatedly tormented, thus giving them a motivation for revenge. Uh,

1144
01:07:52,720 --> 01:07:54,840
Speaker 1: let it be known that I've never done anything to

1145
01:07:54,920 --> 01:07:57,920
Speaker 1: betray bird kind and will gladly offer bread in exchange

1146
01:07:57,920 --> 01:08:01,720
Speaker 1: for my life. So, Robert, is there an you know

1147
01:08:01,880 --> 01:08:04,640
Speaker 1: we could follow you? You can find me on the

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01:08:04,680 --> 01:08:09,040
Speaker 1: twitters at at I right, okay, um, that's my Twitter

1149
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Speaker 1: okay to letters. And you can find my book on Amazon.

1150
01:08:12,040 --> 01:08:14,680
Speaker 1: It's called A Brief History of Vice and you can

1151
01:08:14,720 --> 01:08:17,800
Speaker 1: buy it and be my friend. It's really it's really great.

1152
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Speaker 1: And also check out Robert's new podcast. Oh yes, by this,

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Speaker 1: I don't know when this episode is coming out, It

1154
01:08:24,040 --> 01:08:27,240
Speaker 1: might be might just everyone's heard of it and everyone

1155
01:08:27,320 --> 01:08:29,000
Speaker 1: loves it. And I'm just sound like a real lame,

1156
01:08:29,080 --> 01:08:32,040
Speaker 1: like I mean, fingers crossed. But my new podcast is

1157
01:08:32,080 --> 01:08:34,920
Speaker 1: Behind the Bastards. It's gonna drop me first. There will

1158
01:08:34,920 --> 01:08:36,960
Speaker 1: be a new episode every Tuesday. And yeah, we talked

1159
01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:40,840
Speaker 1: about stuff like like I said, Saddan Hussein's romance novel Career,

1160
01:08:41,479 --> 01:08:45,360
Speaker 1: the Mysteries of Osama, Mind, Lawton's porn Stash, Hitler's favorite

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01:08:45,400 --> 01:08:48,200
Speaker 1: young adult author, and just a bunch of other wacky

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Speaker 1: ship about the worst people in history behind the bastards

1163
01:08:52,280 --> 01:08:55,320
Speaker 1: at Bastard's Pot On Twitter, We're all all around the

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01:08:55,360 --> 01:09:00,000
Speaker 1: Anna great so you can follow me on Twitter. Um.

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01:09:00,080 --> 01:09:03,800
Speaker 1: I am at Katie Golden and I am also at

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Speaker 1: pro bird Writes, which is my bird sona um and

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01:09:09,120 --> 01:09:13,000
Speaker 1: uh you should do that. Please spit some hot fire

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Speaker 1: about bird truth. Yeah, speaking bird truth, speaking bird to power.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for listening. If there is next Wednesday,

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Speaker 1: please join us again.