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Speaker 1: This episode is presented to you by DraftKings. The crown

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Speaker 1: is yours. Welcome back to all the Smoke. We got

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Speaker 1: a nice couple of days out here in La Jack.

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Speaker 2: Yes, happy to be back in La La Land.

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Speaker 1: And man, what better way to start it been with

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Speaker 1: a legend. Legend. We were actually supposed to sit down

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Speaker 1: with you, and then the La fires broke out.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and everybody's safe.

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Speaker 1: We had to reschedule, but thank you for making time.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the show. Cheryl Miller.

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Speaker 4: Hey, she she is also someone When I first came

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Speaker 4: in and I did I did T and T once

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Speaker 4: or twice, she told me that I would be great

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Speaker 4: in doing media.

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Speaker 1: She told me it's long, so she started lying to

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Speaker 1: you early.

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Speaker 2: She told me long to know.

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Speaker 3: You know what this is really, this is surreal for

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Speaker 3: me because watching you young men, you guys are just

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Speaker 3: my baby starting out in the league, and my microphone

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Speaker 3: was like kryptonite to summer of y'all. I mean, you

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Speaker 3: put that like in your face. But now you guys

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Speaker 3: your own show and interviewers, and it's a it's really

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Speaker 3: nice to see you guys come full circle.

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Speaker 1: Three time Player of the Year, two time National championship,

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Speaker 1: organized game, go medalist, and that's just a few when

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Speaker 1: we sit back your Unfortunately, I don't think the game

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Speaker 1: of women's basketball was ready for you at the time

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Speaker 1: you came. I think a lot of people say you

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Speaker 1: were ahead of your time from a standpoint of there

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Speaker 1: was college and then it was it was kind of

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Speaker 1: up in the air after that. Talk to us just

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Speaker 1: about that, I mean, such a dominant We'll get into

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Speaker 1: the high school and actually the accolades. But what was

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Speaker 1: it like for you after college? Because now these ladies

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Speaker 1: have a path to whether they played in the w

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Speaker 1: or go over season and make a career. What was

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Speaker 1: it like for you back when you finished college?

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Speaker 3: You know, guys, I'm asked question a lot, and it's

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Speaker 3: it's forced me to really pause and think about it.

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Speaker 3: I have no regrets, I truly don't. Before me, there

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Speaker 3: was Anne Myers, there was Nancy Lieberman, there was Lynette Woodard.

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Speaker 3: So we are basically all in the same boat. Anyways,

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Speaker 3: you know, somebody had to be the first, and as

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Speaker 3: far as I was concerned, I was just glad to

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Speaker 3: know eventually I wasn't the only girl playing basketball and balling.

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Speaker 3: You know, I'm playing at a high level, but it's

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Speaker 3: it's been a blessing just to watch the women grow

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Speaker 3: and watch the women find their voices, use their platforms,

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Speaker 3: and finally get paid. That's that's that's been. If anything,

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Speaker 3: the flowers for me is to see their chief growth.

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Speaker 4: You recently coached the w BA All Star Game. You

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Speaker 3: Best coaching job ever.

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Speaker 4: Best the job being around Kaitlin Clark. I was the

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Speaker 4: experience why she's such a big star. I mean, this

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Speaker 4: guy's limit for her to be around her. Just talk

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Speaker 4: about the type of person she is, how much she

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna be honest because it needs to be said.

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Speaker 3: I can relate to that young lady, and I felt

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Speaker 3: for her. I know what it's like to be hated.

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Speaker 3: I know what it's like to be a black woman

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Speaker 3: and hated because of my skinned color. I can't imagine

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Speaker 3: this young lady. I don't want to use hate, but

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Speaker 3: mean she brought some on herself a little bit because

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Speaker 2: Confident, and I love that about her.

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Speaker 3: But to watch the dynamics and the media, they had

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Speaker 3: the narrative. Wasn't the truth?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 3: An angel and her got along so well, and watching

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Speaker 3: them practice and yeah, yeah, yeah, just get it out,

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Speaker 3: and Kayle's like, just fly, just fly, just fly, and

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Speaker 3: I've learned is to step back and let these kids

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Speaker 3: be themselves. Look, I speak what I'm spoken to. I'm

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Speaker 3: not sitting up there knocking on anybody's door offering my

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Speaker 3: In twenty four to seven, being pulled in so many

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Speaker 3: if I'm insecure, if I've got my own mental issues

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Speaker 3: going on, who do I talk to. I don't regret

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Speaker 3: being born when I when I was. I'm in the

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Speaker 3: right place at the right time. It's just been fascinating

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Speaker 3: to watch these young ladies come up and now take

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Speaker 2: She handled it in in a graceful way as well.

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Speaker 4: Some of your peers, they like, they will recognize, you know,

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Speaker 4: her game, but they won't recognize her impact.

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Speaker 2: How can you separate the two.

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Speaker 3: It's kind of you know, and I used to and

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Speaker 3: you know, Jack, you're absolutely right. And I was like,

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Speaker 3: I was like, come on, you big dummies. Is she

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Speaker 3: getting hyped? Yes, but she was in the backyard. She

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Speaker 3: was putting in the same time, sometimes maybe more than

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Speaker 3: you were. I can't fault her for what she was given,

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Speaker 3: but you know, I mean, look, as much as she

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Speaker 3: to the height. Come on, folks are still waiting for

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Speaker 1: Come on.

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Speaker 3: So with that being said, you big dummies, you getting

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Speaker 3: paid now? Can every I mean everybody now has an

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Speaker 3: So that's that's the only thing. And thank god, I

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Speaker 3: don't listen, I don't follow social media, and I can

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Speaker 3: really care less because I've been delivered from being a

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Speaker 3: people pleaser and what you think about me, me too.

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Speaker 3: But I will tell you one thing. I'm just glad

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Speaker 3: that these young ladies who are at the upper upper top,

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Speaker 3: the upper tier players. I hope and pray that they

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Speaker 3: have a solid foundation and they know, they know guys

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Speaker 4: Do you see any correlation with Caitlin and Angel Reese

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Speaker 4: what they've done for them BBA as to what Magic

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, right, absolutely, And you know, I'm sure that that

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Speaker 3: Larry and IRV used to laugh at you know, white

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. And they loved each other.

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Speaker 3: East Coast WINSCA loved each other, loved each other and

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Speaker 3: respected one another and understood that this this this rivalry,

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Speaker 3: this tension, whatever it was, for the betterment of the game.

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Speaker 3: But they never got caught up into it.

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Speaker 2: Yea.

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Speaker 3: And those two are the foundation of the great stories

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Speaker 3: now flooding the Dove, which helps the dove. So that's,

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Speaker 3: you know, my main thing. I want to see how

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Speaker 3: we as women because again I know they're gonna get

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Speaker 3: mad at me for saying this. We can be petty,

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Speaker 3: we can be shortsighted.

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Speaker 5: No, no, this is my first.

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Speaker 2: We can.

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Speaker 3: But I'm just hoping that we can embrace one another

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Speaker 2: Which I love you wish you could got some of that.

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Speaker 2: I know you was going to watch.

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Speaker 3: It that like, come on with the cross out of knees.

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Speaker 2: Yet come.

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Speaker 3: I got nothing?

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Speaker 2: Mad love?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: What and and and that whole league, what they've done

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Speaker 3: and their mindset and the business aspect and the savviness

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Speaker 3: and to get there, you know, to build that infrastructure financially,

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Speaker 3: that was the first thought. And when I saw that,

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Speaker 3: oh they got this, they got this is about to

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Speaker 1: Support support support. I've seen you sidelines at several SC

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Speaker 1: games female SC games that I've pulled up to. Juju

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Speaker 1: surely knocking on some doors that you put up. What

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Speaker 1: she's kind of been able to put SC basketball women's

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Speaker 3: First and foremost. A tremendous talent and for someone who's

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Speaker 3: been skyrocketed into the spotlight, it's not just the spotlight.

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Speaker 3: She's playing at USC and you've got the McGee twins,

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Speaker 3: Cynthia Cooper, myself, Lisa Leslie, Pina Thompson.

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Speaker 1: They're Hall of famersamers.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and now you're expected to not just achieve and arrive,

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Speaker 3: but you've got to elevate it. You got to make

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Speaker 3: I wanted to see when things got tough, when she

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Speaker 3: going to catch people by surprise. You know, nobody knew,

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Speaker 3: but that middle and certainly the last latter part of

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Speaker 3: that season, double triple teams, game plan schemes, everything, How

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Speaker 3: was she going to make the adjustments? So I was

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Speaker 3: pleased to see that. And I'm always amazed at how

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Speaker 3: solid she is as a human being. Certainly a lot

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Speaker 3: of that is her foundation, family foundation, But there's something

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Speaker 3: very grounded and rooted in her. I'm not quite sure

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Speaker 3: where that comes from. If I was to give her

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Speaker 3: make sure she maintainings and finds that that quiet place

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Speaker 3: here and here where her family, loved ones, boyfriend, girlfriend, cat, squirrel, dog, whatever,

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Speaker 3: she has her quiet place where she can just be

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Speaker 3: juju and no basketball, no nothing, and and find something

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Speaker 3: that she feels good about doing that's outside of the sport.

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Speaker 1: It's important. What are your thoughts on women having to

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Speaker 1: wait four years to make that jump? Is that an

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Speaker 1: outdated rule? Do you think it suits the game because

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Speaker 1: she has to?

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Speaker 3: It's a god bless that that rule is there. Yes,

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Speaker 3: it needs to stay there until you know the dove finally.

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Speaker 3: Financially can why if you are a top five.

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Speaker 1: You're making more money.

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Speaker 2: In college?

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Speaker 3: No? I would. I would really love to, Like now

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Speaker 3: that's when you'd see me step out and slap somebody.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, what are you talking about?

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Speaker 2: What do you think actually going backwards for them?

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Speaker 3: Big time?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Big time? You hurt your brand early to go. You know, wait, wait, wait,

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Speaker 3: make this This is your foundation. This is where your

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Speaker 2: Your money exactly, the dove is.

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Speaker 3: you say? I said, I said one hundred and five

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00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:57,640
Speaker 3: and he just lets out this. He's like, mom, I

439
00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:03,399
Speaker 3: can't win. Yeah, when that's not fair. My dad and

440
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:04,600
Speaker 3: I were just cracking up.

441
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,040
Speaker 2: But yeah, you.

442
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:09,720
Speaker 4: Think anybody scored one hundred in the w A or NBA.

443
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 4: I think it happened in the men's game.

444
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, right now, we don't know in the women's game.

445
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:20,879
Speaker 1: I wouldn't.

446
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:23,440
Speaker 3: I'm waiting for somebody to put up seventy.

447
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:24,680
Speaker 4: Did you have a play at U c l A

448
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:27,360
Speaker 4: men's gym? Yes, you heard, we heard you was out

449
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:30,959
Speaker 4: there busting me and ass in there. Yes, how was that?

450
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:37,240
Speaker 3: Matter of fact? I oh, that was Remember Mike dunne.

451
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:38,720
Speaker 2: Yvy coach do Yeah, Mike Dunley.

452
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:42,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, he would get out there and play a shack

453
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,359
Speaker 3: when he first came in. We get out there, IRV

454
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:46,600
Speaker 3: all the guys.

455
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:48,600
Speaker 2: He was out there styling. I was.

456
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 3: I was holding my I didn't go home with my

457
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:52,719
Speaker 3: head hanging.

458
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I would have loved to see that.

459
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:59,199
Speaker 3: But I'll tell you one thing. They didn't make it easy.

460
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:03,919
Speaker 3: They didn't easy, I can you know, and because oh

461
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 3: my god, and they would serve it right back up

462
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 3: to me. And I love that, And you know what,

463
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 3: to be honest, that's a blessing in itself. And maybe

464
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 3: that's one of the main reasons why making that transition

465
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 3: into broadcasting into the NBA that you guys gave me

466
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 3: so much respect and stuff. You know, so I appreciate

467
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:25,320
Speaker 3: you guys.

468
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 2: Because we know you spoke from experience. You really did it, Yeah,

469
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:29,680
Speaker 2: you really did.

470
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:30,879
Speaker 3: I did some things.

471
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 4: Our instrumental was your pops, military guy, to raise two

472
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 4: competitive athletes great athletes.

473
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:41,639
Speaker 2: I don't know how y'all wasn't twined. Y'all look so

474
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:46,159
Speaker 2: much alike, But is he?

475
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,359
Speaker 4: Is he the reason for the competitive competitives and the

476
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 4: ship talking.

477
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,399
Speaker 3: No, Reggie did that. That was that was already. That

478
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 3: was that was already. Reggie did that out of necessity

479
00:26:56,880 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 3: in the in the household, because you got Reggie Reggie

480
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 3: growing up, he just physically he was thin. He had

481
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:11,479
Speaker 3: some physical ailments about him. He was not need and

482
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,679
Speaker 3: he had to have his knees reset and just just

483
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 3: pop belly bad hair conditioning up.

484
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 2: You know, how would you explain Reggie's jump shot, the

485
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,400
Speaker 2: genesis of his jump shot throughout the year, because.

486
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 3: A lot of it was, you know, because I was

487
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 3: always in his face, so he would almost it would

488
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:44,440
Speaker 3: almost click. And I don't know how many countless coaches

489
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:47,160
Speaker 3: tried to change his shot. Then my Dad's like, don't

490
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,879
Speaker 3: mess with the shot. Don't you touch his shot. You

491
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:53,160
Speaker 3: could work on anything else, but leave his shot alone.

492
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 3: Because my dad was a firm believer. That's something that

493
00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:01,200
Speaker 3: you day in, day out practice, and that was part

494
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 3: of it. And there's certain adjustments you can make. But

495
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:07,159
Speaker 3: the way he shot and it was almost looked like

496
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 3: he was pushing it, but he wasn't. It was it

497
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:14,119
Speaker 3: was really really unique. But what my dad did and

498
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 3: instilled in all of us was if you start something,

499
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 3: you finish it. There was no quitting and you gave

500
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 3: your very best, whether it was in basketball, baseball, football,

501
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 3: ping pong, monopoly, spades, trouble, whatever it was, you just

502
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 3: you did your very best and there were no excuses,

503
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 3: no excuses. So we had two older brothers I was

504
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 3: smack Dad in the middle Reggie, and a younger sister,

505
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 3: so it was built in competition.

506
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 1: You led sc to back to back national titles and

507
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 1: were named tournament.

508
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 3: I was one. I was one of many on that team.

509
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 1: Yeah you helped, thank.

510
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 2: You, Yes, thank you.

511
00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 3: I assisted. I love that I assisted.

512
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 1: But you were also named MVP both times, so you

513
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 1: did a little bit more than that. What was the

514
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 1: environment like back then, I mean, obviously the press. I'm

515
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 1: a UCLA guy, but always had a lot of respect

516
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 1: for what SC has always meant in the sports world.

517
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 1: What was l A like back then?

518
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:15,719
Speaker 2: For you?

519
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 3: This is the one thing that did bother me, you know,

520
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 3: forget you sl A. You know, just the rivalry. What

521
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 3: really used to mess with all the sisters, like the

522
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 3: female athletes at SC. Why did all the good looking

523
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 3: brothers go to U S l A.

524
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 6: I don't know, real, I don't know, I don't know, Jack, Like,

525
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 6: that's not just you know, I mean.

526
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 2: I need to hear this today.

527
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 3: This is this is why our Liz was like, come on,

528
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 3: but yeah, yeah, but anyways, I'm just thinking about all

529
00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 3: the guys that used okay, may get me go somewhere Russian.

530
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 1: Never sure saying huh what was that? I mean, I remember,

531
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 1: you know, us playing there. We never really looked at it.

532
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 1: I don't think maybe the school or that the students

533
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 1: looked at it.

534
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 2: Like.

535
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 1: I didn't have an issue with nobody on s C.

536
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 1: I actually loved SC football because that's back when they

537
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,479
Speaker 1: had Reggie Bush and all those guys. Like, did you

538
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 1: guys look at it as like f U C l A.

539
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 1: Or was it just more fun?

540
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 3: Of it was. It was it was a rivalry.

541
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 2: USC in the hood, though, ain't it. Yeah?

542
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 3: Oh back in the day, Oh, back in the day.

543
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 3: It was like, you know, you get your game on

544
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 3: like this and then you know, you cross the street.

545
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, I heard yeah, making sure you know.

546
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 2: In the middle of it.

547
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 3: It was no joke. You turned down that wrong alley

548
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 3: if you want to. And that was another thing. Yeah,

549
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 3: we we lived in real Los Angeles.

550
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, I'm more USC than Yah about that.

551
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 3: But no, when it came to when it came to

552
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 3: to basketball and Reggie, yeah, I mean I I wouldn't

553
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 3: wear anything you sel a, but I made sure that

554
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 3: there was nobody up in the stands that had a

555
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 3: thought in their mouth.

556
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I love it, do it. This is the same.

557
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 1: I mean, the same time you're you're winning championships, the

558
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 1: Showtime Lakers are winning championships as well.

559
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 2: So what is.

560
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 1: Right?

561
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 3: We were Showtime. Look, our our practices were brutal. I've

562
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 3: got Cynthia Cooper running her mouth. Tracy Longo, nobody remember

563
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 3: well she was my height, white girl that could jump

564
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 3: out the gym, and we battled each other throughout high school.

565
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 3: You had the McGee twins, and you know, we had

566
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 3: Ronda Windham, a point guard from the Bronx, so we

567
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 3: had little bit of everything. So our practices coached just

568
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:08,479
Speaker 3: basically rolled out the ball was great in allowing us

569
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 3: to be who we are. Our personalities would step in

570
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 3: when we you know, got a little twisted. But the

571
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 3: games were the fun part, practices where we honed ourselves,

572
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 3: our skills and everything else. We had to check our

573
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 3: egos at the you know, and that was our captain,

574
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 3: Juleett Robinson. Check your ego at the door. And once

575
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 3: we stepped on the floor, it was about business.

576
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 2: It was.

577
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:34,959
Speaker 3: And then you had the you know, we had Magic

578
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 3: and the Lakers and you know them coming in occasionally

579
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 3: watching us play. And we were playing at the time

580
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 3: at the Sports Arena. So yeah, we were showtime.

581
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 2: I love it. I love it.

582
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you some names.

583
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 2: I want you to tell me what you think.

584
00:32:51,680 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 1: Debs just like a brother. She was a rebounder, Dennis

585
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 1: sister right the family.

586
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, Pam McGee did her dirty in the in the

587
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 3: championship game because she got in her ear started talking

588
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 3: to her, say, I can't believe Kim Moulky just missed

589
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 3: that you were wide open. You had me pinned talking

590
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 3: to her throughout the gain. Man, I can't believe Kim

591
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 3: Moulkey just sat Janice Lawrence. Won't you even to pass

592
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 3: you Out's a high loan and you got me pinned

593
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 3: behind And then all of a sudden she starts talking,

594
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 3: why did you give any the ball? Kim? Now there's

595
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 3: a I mean, so she talented, but she yeah, she

596
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 3: she had some things going on like.

597
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 1: Her, like her brother.

598
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:38,479
Speaker 4: Uh.

599
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 1: Pam McGee one of my former teammates, Mom JaVale McGee's mom.

600
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 3: Pam hardest working block, the block, hustle, rebounder, will not

601
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 3: be denied on the boards. Physical funny. Would you know

602
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 3: she would pause to think sometimes I'm like, are you

603
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 3: hearing something? But I now know she was just pausing

604
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 3: the thing, you know. Yeah, great teammate, Great teammates Cynthia

605
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 3: Cooper who we could not see I to eye on anything.

606
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 2: Shacking Kobe.

607
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:23,400
Speaker 3: Oh it was, And I will say she was. She

608
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 3: was Kobe and I had some shock in her because

609
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 3: I had I had some shock in me. Where Kobe,

610
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 3: you can be you, but you ain't gonna tell me

611
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 3: how to do?

612
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 2: You know?

613
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 3: And I would. I would sit there, I'm like, Cooper,

614
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 3: do you ever shut up? Let me just add, I

615
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 3: just do you ever shut up? And older?

616
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 2: Older?

617
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:52,840
Speaker 3: And and I was, look, coming out of high school,

618
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 3: you're hearing you the end all be all. I started

619
00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 3: drinking my kool laid at a very young age. So

620
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 3: now I got this other mouth who wants to go

621
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:07,320
Speaker 3: at me. I've got, you know, and I'm look. I

622
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 3: knew I was good, but I didn't believe I was good.

623
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 3: So I was I was insecure. So you're gonna challenge me.

624
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,800
Speaker 3: I ain't gonna ain't no punk. I mean live at Riverside,

625
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:18,319
Speaker 3: but I ain't no punk. So she would come out

626
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 3: from Wats and she would say that I'm from I'm.

627
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 2: Like an.

628
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:29,319
Speaker 3: Taste the same, yeah, the same want you know, I mean,

629
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 3: And we were sitting I mean, you know, and you

630
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 3: know the twins are like, sure she's from Watson. That

631
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 3: with Papa. I don't care, no no, but on the court, simpotico, simpotico.

632
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 3: But I will say one thing, A couple of things

633
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 3: about Cynthia, a self made, driven superstar Hall of Famer,

634
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 3: so well deserved.

635
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 1: But not least Kim Mulkey oh, coach.

636
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 3: I used to call her dead of South. You're just

637
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 3: dead of South. So that South South, brilliant basketball mind,

638
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 3: tremendous IQ, great floor general, fierce competitor, is the one

639
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 3: one of the should have been the starter of the

640
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 3: Olympic team.

641
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 2: Hands down. Really who was the starter?

642
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 3: Lee Henry m hmm?

643
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:37,360
Speaker 2: Interesting and.

644
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:42,720
Speaker 3: That was Pat's player, Pat Summitt, the late great Pat Summits.

645
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,840
Speaker 3: But Kim Moulkey, hands down, should have been the starter

646
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 3: because I'm telling you when when she would come in,

647
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 3: she's like, Miller, I just need you to fly. You

648
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:56,959
Speaker 3: just fly, I'll get the ball to her. She would

649
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:00,720
Speaker 3: get that ball. She already knew where everybody was because

650
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 3: she could play the game with her eyes closed and

651
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 3: would know what passed when aheaded timing and everything else,

652
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:11,240
Speaker 3: barking this, knew your position, your cut, where you should

653
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 3: have been. I can't believe you're still out here, I

654
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 3: mean everything. So to watch her and to play against her,

655
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 3: playing against her was a pain. Playing with her a joy.

656
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,400
Speaker 3: No surprise at her success as a head coach.

657
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 1: Is she misunderstood. She kind of gets a bad rap.

658
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 2: Now just swagging. She's doing it her way.

659
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:34,479
Speaker 1: Man, Kim is Kim Kim Kim wait Kim is never broke,

660
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 1: never broke character.

661
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 2: Huh. I love that, never broke character.

662
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 3: What you see is what you get if you don't

663
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:42,320
Speaker 3: like it.

664
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 2: Bucket Fresh too.

665
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, oh yeah, she just you know, she's she's

666
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 3: the female.

667
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 1: Libaraci nineteen eighty two, the first woman ever to dunk.

668
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,719
Speaker 1: I don't know if on record. We did a lot

669
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 1: of research in an organized game.

670
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 4: So so you just we gotta stop you. Now you're

671
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 4: gonna take your flowers from us. You've been trying to

672
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:06,319
Speaker 4: deny him and weave them and all that, and you're

673
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:08,760
Speaker 4: gonna sit it and take your flowers from us today.

674
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 2: I'm take them.

675
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 3: Look, because you guys, they'll fat fat.

676
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:15,839
Speaker 1: We do a lot of research. We do a lot

677
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 1: of research, you know.

678
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:22,360
Speaker 3: But there's no there's a Georgiana Wells, Dylan see Georgiana

679
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 3: Wells I believe was the first recorded player.

680
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 1: Is that in the game or just in the game?

681
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 1: Oh really in the game?

682
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 3: Okay, Georgiana Wells. Georgiana Wells, go.

683
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:33,400
Speaker 1: Ahead, we'll google that. Well what did that mean to

684
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 1: you that day, in that moment to put a dunk

685
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 1: down in the game?

686
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 3: Extra, that's kool Aid Baby extra extra sugar tips?

687
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:46,880
Speaker 2: Was it analine like it was.

688
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 3: A take flight? What was what? There were dunks, but

689
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,319
Speaker 3: they weren't considered dunks where I would get a tip

690
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 3: dunk because she just pushed the ball in. And you know,

691
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 3: back then, it was like they, oh, she just pushed

692
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:01,879
Speaker 3: the boat.

693
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 2: It was dump dump.

694
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 3: And now my dad said, you know, you do know

695
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:07,959
Speaker 3: you dunk that. I said, but they said, I pushed

696
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 3: it in. He's like, here you go. But once I

697
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:19,840
Speaker 3: it was a it was a breakaway still and it

698
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:21,799
Speaker 3: was one of those you guys have been on those floors.

699
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:22,839
Speaker 3: There's something about the floor.

700
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 1: Stanford used to yeah, Stamford, Oh, sacrament to me, no, Stanford, SA,

701
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,359
Speaker 1: Sacramento was like that. Stanford used to have a springy floor.

702
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 3: Man, Stamford, you kid. Yeah. As soon as I got

703
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,759
Speaker 3: that still and I hit the free throw line, I

704
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 3: crossed over and I took off where.

705
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 1: I know him. I'm like, okay, I'm up here.

706
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 3: Y hit it and I landed and I started running

707
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 3: back and all my teammates are running over, were high

708
00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 3: five and the stuff and the official I look back

709
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 3: in the she's just taking a ball in that and

710
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 3: He's just standing there like.

711
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 2: Did It's like, what the I was like, that's me.

712
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 2: That's me, baby, that's me.

713
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 1: Obviously heavily decorated college career, drafted by several leagues after college,

714
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 1: including the usb L, which is the men's league. Did

715
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:20,839
Speaker 1: you ever consider possibly playing with men?

716
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 2: She grew up. I mean, you know what you don't.

717
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 3: You don't hang out in the summer at U c

718
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 3: l A and not get a big dose pointing with

719
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:35,880
Speaker 3: the big boys of reality, you know. And I certainly

720
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:37,799
Speaker 3: I didn't have the handles to be a point guard,

721
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 3: not even close of what that and that's the only

722
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 3: position I could have played. But physically, like physically no, no,

723
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 3: I mean it would have been nice to actually try it,

724
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 3: but by that time I had blown up my knee.

725
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 3: That was you know, that was the determining factor for

726
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:56,839
Speaker 3: me in basketball. That's when we parted ways. And that's

727
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:57,479
Speaker 3: all she wrote.

728
00:40:57,600 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 1: Do you feel like, and I mean you if if

729
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:01,800
Speaker 1: anyone one could have it could have possibly been you.

730
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 1: Do you feel like, what is the difference outside of

731
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 1: strength and speed with women being able to possibly cross

732
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 1: over and play man. Have you feel like there has

733
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 1: been a woman that could have crossed over and played

734
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:14,799
Speaker 1: with the men.

735
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 3: No, no, it is. It is straight a physical barrier

736
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 3: that just in my lifetime right now, I don't believe

737
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 3: I'll ever see. I just don't. I don't see because

738
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:33,399
Speaker 3: you guys continue to get bigger, stronger, and faster. I mean,

739
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 3: I would have never thought that you'd have a seven

740
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 3: to seven kid, no shooting threes. You know, shooting threes

741
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 3: and you know it's just we there. There's that evolution

742
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 3: gap that will never be closed between a man and

743
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:46,919
Speaker 3: a woman.

744
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 1: Interesting. I don't want to butcher her name, but the

745
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 1: seventh foot sylviet.

746
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,760
Speaker 3: Woman, Juleanna Simonova, woman nova?

747
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 2: What was she like?

748
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 1: I mean dominant? You got a chance to come up

749
00:41:57,800 --> 00:41:58,919
Speaker 1: in the same time, all.

750
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:03,280
Speaker 3: Right, pitcher? Yeah, all mean okay, picture of this, y'all

751
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 3: mean two inches?

752
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 2: Is that boy shorts?

753
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 4: No?

754
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 3: They those were like the like briefs.

755
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:16,760
Speaker 2: They're like yeah, no, no, no, that's that's a onesie.

756
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 3: That's a onesie. No no, no, no, no, that was

757
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 3: a separate talk got nothing.

758
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 4: Like the So she had the jersey top with the

759
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 4: granny panty bottom. Yes, crazy, yeah, no, no, what the top?

760
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 2: That's crazy?

761
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 3: Now, it's not the bell that's the trail on the

762
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 3: end of the jersey.

763
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:32,400
Speaker 2: No, that's crazy.

764
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:33,360
Speaker 1: What was her game like.

765
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 3: Back to the basket? I mean, what were you going

766
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 3: to do?

767
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 2: Right?

768
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 3: Didn't have you know, obviously it wasn't tremendous foot speed,

769
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 3: but at seven to two and could get up the floor.

770
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 3: But all she had to do was get down the

771
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 3: floor anywhere and on the block and it's a wrap.

772
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a rap.

773
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 3: Trying to get past her in the middle, it's a rap.

774
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:59,359
Speaker 3: What the Soviet team was so great at You had

775
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:01,799
Speaker 3: eighty year old women who had played together since they

776
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 3: were in cribs coming out of the cribs. So you

777
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 3: had a professional team for Daming. They're close to fifty

778
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 3: years and it was a stranglehold on international basketball and

779
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 3: their players. The permimeter players were faster, stronger, better shooters.

780
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 3: They were a machine and then you put that in

781
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:24,279
Speaker 3: the middle. They were unbeatable.

782
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 1: When did you feel like you guys caught up on

783
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:27,759
Speaker 1: the international side, the women?

784
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 3: It started, matter of fact, in seventy nine. It was

785
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:35,320
Speaker 3: I wanted to say a few of the members was

786
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:43,320
Speaker 3: Nancy Lieberman, An Myers Drysdale, Carol Blas Jawski and Lynette Woodard.

787
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:46,320
Speaker 3: They were in Soul, Korea. I don't know if it

788
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 3: was the World Championships or the Jones Cup, but they

789
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 3: finally beat them in nineteen seventy nine, and then we

790
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 3: got them in eighty six, and after that it was

791
00:43:56,760 --> 00:44:00,120
Speaker 3: a round. Yeah, it was the decline of the Soviet.

792
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:06,840
Speaker 1: Why do you feel that there's so many European I

793
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 1: use that as a broad name men coming over and

794
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:12,799
Speaker 1: having a ton of success, but we don't see as

795
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 1: many women coming over from there.

796
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 3: That's a great question, that's a really good question. I'm

797
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:24,239
Speaker 3: not sure if they're not experiencing the same obstacles we

798
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:29,320
Speaker 3: did early on because there was such an investment and

799
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 3: not only the men's college game and AAU and all that,

800
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 3: but their club teams are far superior internationally, So I'm

801
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:46,799
Speaker 3: not sure there's been that catch up between a lot

802
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:51,880
Speaker 3: of great institution college institutions internationally as there is in

803
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 3: the United States. So I think that's been kind of

804
00:44:54,800 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 3: a step, a stepping stone unfortunately, set or barrier for

805
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 3: for international players. It's gotten better, but it's not the

806
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:09,279
Speaker 3: influx that you see with the men. The men are

807
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:12,280
Speaker 3: coming out and they're just tremendous And let me ask.

808
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:15,279
Speaker 2: You that, Yeah has been ahead of the current. Are

809
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 2: you gone? He's been getting girls overseas for a while.

810
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 3: He's been He's been plucking him from the national he

811
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 3: knows teams. What do you think will there ever be

812
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:31,360
Speaker 3: an international player that will be the face of the NBA?

813
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:32,840
Speaker 2: I think so.

814
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:35,320
Speaker 4: I think I think we're real closer than ever with

815
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 4: Lebron stepping down. Guys like Anthony l was coming out

816
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 4: saying they don't want to be the face, Like I

817
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:41,319
Speaker 4: think it's going to be given to one of those

818
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 4: international guys.

819
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 2: I think so. I think I think might be the guy.

820
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 3: Is that? What's the stigma?

821
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,359
Speaker 1: Or we heard Kad talk about that the other day,

822
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 1: Like what does it mean?

823
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 2: What does it mean?

824
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 1: What does that come with? What is the face of

825
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 1: the game? Come with a lot of praise, a lot

826
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:00,840
Speaker 1: of critique, a lot of ship talking, a lot of disrespect.

827
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 1: And this is a different generation, Like we said we

828
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 1: kind of in KG always us we had to look

829
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:08,719
Speaker 1: at this new generation through a new lens and their

830
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:11,319
Speaker 1: wants and needs and wise are a lot different than ours.

831
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:13,439
Speaker 2: Work, So how didn't want.

832
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:17,440
Speaker 3: How different is the game? Since you guys played, honestly,

833
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 3: what's what's your take?

834
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 2: I look at it like this. We love the game,

835
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 2: they love the game, can do form big difference, and.

836
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 1: I just think too. I mean, obviously, the plan was

837
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:30,759
Speaker 1: to grow this into a global game, and we came

838
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 1: in at the end of a really physical era, and

839
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:35,839
Speaker 1: there was still some physicality in the late nineties early

840
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:38,840
Speaker 1: two thousand we first came in, and that's kind of disappeared,

841
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I think scoring is at

842
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 1: the utmost, three point shootings at the utmost, and highlights

843
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 1: have what been able to me to grow the game,

844
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I have sixteen year old

845
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 1: twins that are good players, but they don't watch games

846
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 1: that I'll just watch the recap in the morning on

847
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 1: my phone, you know what I mean. So it's just

848
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:58,920
Speaker 1: like it's driven around highlights, and I think, you know,

849
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 1: that's a huge deeper conversation, but I just don't think

850
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 1: the Maybe there's just so much other ship to do.

851
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 2: Now that's it.

852
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:10,839
Speaker 1: That's lock in and stay focused. I also say too,

853
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:14,279
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just you know, I think that money

854
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 1: international players are talented enough to be the face, but

855
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 1: I don't know if they'll ever be an international player

856
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 1: could be probably deserving, but I don't know if they'll

857
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 1: ever be one as the face of an American game.

858
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 4: And international players attitude still is like our attitude if

859
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 4: we don't show up and play, we're gonna lose our job.

860
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:31,759
Speaker 2: They don't.

861
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 4: American players don't feel like that we're gonna get the job.

862
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 4: The jobs is here for us. But then now in

863
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 4: the national players that's coming over, it's not a lot

864
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:39,759
Speaker 4: of them, so they feel like, I got to show

865
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:41,400
Speaker 4: up and play every night to keep my job, and

866
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 4: that's that was our attitude.

867
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:46,719
Speaker 2: Is then in trouble, yes, if they don't get back

868
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 2: to the competitives.

869
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 3: From a marketing standpoint, I think so.

870
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say they are because you got to look

871
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 1: at the just look at the Luca move, Like, look

872
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 1: what that's going to do to the Luca coming to

873
00:47:57,719 --> 00:47:59,800
Speaker 1: the Lakers. The Lakers are already the biggest brand in

874
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:02,759
Speaker 1: the world. How much bigger they're gonna get over the

875
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:05,800
Speaker 1: water now because Luca is wearing that seventy seven jersey.

876
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 1: I don't know if they'll be in trouble. I think

877
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:09,880
Speaker 1: they'll be puris to like, how are these you know,

878
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 1: international players running the game. They'll be frustrated, but I

879
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 1: still think those guys are coming over and playing real

880
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 1: good basketball.

881
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:18,840
Speaker 3: So the NBA survives because of the influx of talented

882
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 3: and international.

883
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:22,359
Speaker 4: Players, right, But see that can hurt the league too,

884
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 4: Like just say Luca become the face of the league.

885
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 4: You give the faces of the league as somebody who

886
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:28,360
Speaker 4: doesn't play defense, who doesn't work, you know all the.

887
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:30,319
Speaker 2: Things they saying about him. So this is the face

888
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:30,759
Speaker 2: of the league.

889
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 4: So that's the bad part about it, right, You want

890
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:36,319
Speaker 4: somebody like, for me, Russell Westbrook should be the face

891
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:38,759
Speaker 4: of the league. Where he approaches the game. He don't

892
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:40,919
Speaker 4: get no trouble off the court. Every game he played

893
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 4: one hundred ten percent. Do we play to the standard

894
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 4: of defans, No, not every night, but the effort is

895
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:48,320
Speaker 4: there and he's showing up. That's what you're playing for,

896
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. And people don't understand that

897
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:53,440
Speaker 4: side of it. We're not just paying to see somebody

898
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:55,919
Speaker 4: that everybody knows show up in the uniform and really

899
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:56,399
Speaker 4: not care.

900
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 2: We know you really don't care. That's that's how I

901
00:48:58,640 --> 00:48:59,319
Speaker 2: look at it. As a player.

902
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:01,880
Speaker 1: I mean, they say, you know, ratings are down thirty

903
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:05,400
Speaker 1: plus percent. But they also say that social media it's.

904
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:07,920
Speaker 2: Never been bigger really, because we're in social media area.

905
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:11,759
Speaker 1: Social media and the engagement with NBA around the world

906
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 1: has never been bigger than it is.

907
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 2: That's what they count.

908
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:16,359
Speaker 1: But the linear numbers are down, but that's older people

909
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:19,800
Speaker 1: who sit and watch TV. That's not necessarily the demo anymore.

910
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 3: I just can't wait for the playoffs.

911
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 1: There, you got it.

912
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:25,799
Speaker 4: The business is great business. All they care about, yes,

913
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:28,840
Speaker 4: all they care about and it's showing. It's showing you

914
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:30,800
Speaker 4: care more about the business than the actual game. But

915
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 4: I think that I mean, Adam Silver has some work

916
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:34,880
Speaker 4: to do. He has some things to figure out, you know,

917
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 4: what to do with his all star situation, you know

918
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 4: what to do with that hot Is load management going

919
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:42,359
Speaker 4: to be something that will always be here? Will guys

920
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 4: ever be allowed to get back to playing physical defense?

921
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:46,759
Speaker 4: I mean, I think there are some questions that need

922
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 4: to be answered, because again, the product hasn't and I

923
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:52,320
Speaker 4: wouldn't say it's bad again because it's just a different

924
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 4: type of game, but it's not the standard that the

925
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 4: NBA has kind of hung their hat on for a

926
00:49:57,080 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 4: long time. I feel like these kids now are more

927
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 4: skilled than ever, but I feel like their IQ is

928
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 4: a little lower because their training is always one on one,

929
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:05,400
Speaker 4: head down, like.

930
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:06,319
Speaker 2: What do I do off the ball?

931
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 1: And that's why I think your international players come in

932
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:11,120
Speaker 1: and play well, because they play such a great team

933
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 1: concept and understand how to play off the ball.

934
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 4: But I think Grigs probably need to come back and

935
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:19,239
Speaker 4: explain what low management is because they took the They

936
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 4: didn't took for what he was using. Oh my god,

937
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:23,439
Speaker 4: they took it and twisted it to a whole where

938
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:25,239
Speaker 4: you can just sit out and get paid and don't play.

939
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 4: That why that ain't why Pop did it. That ain't

940
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 4: why Pop did it.

941
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:29,360
Speaker 2: He did it.

942
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:31,360
Speaker 4: He starts sitting guys in the season going into the

943
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 4: playoffs because guys played a lot of minutes doing those

944
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 4: eighty two games. They probably missed one or two games.

945
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 4: And it was only guys like Tim Duncan, David Robinson.

946
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 4: It wasn't none of the young guys. You're gonna play regardless,

947
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. So now you got guys

948
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:47,759
Speaker 4: who two years in the league low manager, Like, come on, now,

949
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:48,400
Speaker 4: that's crazy.

950
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 3: That is it's crazy.

951
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:52,399
Speaker 2: Pop get a chance to put his influence on the league.

952
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:54,239
Speaker 2: It'll get back. It'll get back.

953
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:56,719
Speaker 1: Quick hitters. First thing to come to mind. Let us know,

954
00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 1: top five women hoopers.

955
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:01,240
Speaker 2: Of all time. I'm gonna put you on the spot.

956
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:02,719
Speaker 2: You in there?

957
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 1: What top five women hoopers of all time?

958
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 2: Not gonna do it on top five you've played with?

959
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 3: Really not gonna do.

960
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:14,359
Speaker 1: You're not putting in the trick bag.

961
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:16,320
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

962
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 3: Now, you know what if you'd asked me that question

963
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 3: maybe a year or two ago, three years ago, when

964
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 3: I wasn't trying to be around women's basketball, I'd have

965
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:29,840
Speaker 3: thrown so many people under the bus. Now now that

966
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:31,920
Speaker 3: I'm trying, now that I'm trying.

967
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:37,279
Speaker 1: To everybody, one thing I respected this whole interview is

968
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:38,799
Speaker 1: every time we asked a question, you kind of sit

969
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:40,439
Speaker 1: back and take a deep breath first because I feel

970
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:41,880
Speaker 1: like some ship want to come out. But then you

971
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 1: give us something like just what you said right now?

972
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:45,920
Speaker 2: You know what that is?

973
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 3: That's the Holy spirit?

974
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:50,480
Speaker 2: Yeah?

975
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 3: Alright, Lord, I ain't gonna say nothing Lord like that.

976
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:55,360
Speaker 2: What's your guilty pleasure? Wow?

977
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 4: Oh?

978
00:51:56,680 --> 00:52:00,919
Speaker 3: There? There They're on a week day, a week after

979
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 3: weekday afternoon walking up to Universal Studios and watching a matinee.

980
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:08,840
Speaker 1: Really, that's dope.

981
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:10,080
Speaker 2: That's it.

982
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 3: That's it, just walking up there watching depending on the movie.

983
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 2: That's some of the best sleep have you in the

984
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:17,880
Speaker 2: movie My God?

985
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 3: And you know the ones and you know the seats

986
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 3: ever since?

987
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:23,240
Speaker 1: Yes, and it's dark and the set failure.

988
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 3: That's it. That's it.

989
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 1: I love it absolutely one album, unrepeat.

990
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:35,880
Speaker 3: Ohio State Players.

991
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:42,359
Speaker 5: Ohio Players, Love Train, Love Train, five, Dinner gainst Dead,

992
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:45,920
Speaker 5: are Alive five plus five dead or alive?

993
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:50,880
Speaker 3: Doctor King, Michelle Obama, Will Chamberlain.

994
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:52,440
Speaker 2: You get a chance to meet him?

995
00:52:53,000 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 3: Yes, the stories I can tell about that in this way,

996
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:02,400
Speaker 3: Will was a player?

997
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:08,840
Speaker 1: Play off the course the word I ain't the word.

998
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:12,760
Speaker 2: Play, I hain't the word.

999
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:15,400
Speaker 3: We ain't talking about basketball.

1000
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:23,800
Speaker 2: And off the court, off the course, indeed, what am I?

1001
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:24,400
Speaker 3: What am I to?

1002
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 2: More?

1003
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:28,360
Speaker 3: Maya, Angelou and Jesus.

1004
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 1: One message to young female hoopers.

1005
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:32,920
Speaker 3: Don't drink your kool aid.

1006
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:34,960
Speaker 2: Oh okay, I don't drink your own cool aid.

1007
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:36,440
Speaker 3: Don't drink your own kool aid.

1008
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:41,239
Speaker 4: Red orange, simple, purple, purple blue. Yeah, we didn't say

1009
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:45,839
Speaker 4: the flavor was yeah, the color. If you can see

1010
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:48,200
Speaker 4: one guest on our show, who would it be? But

1011
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 4: you have to help us get your answer on the show. Yeah,

1012
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 4: I mean we haven't had your god damn brother yet.

1013
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:54,080
Speaker 2: God damn. I mean, I didn't want to say it. Bro.

1014
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 2: I got down. I hit him for this, he said.

1015
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:57,479
Speaker 2: I didn't talk to him a million times.

1016
00:53:57,800 --> 00:53:58,839
Speaker 3: You can't get him on the show.

1017
00:53:58,880 --> 00:53:59,839
Speaker 2: We ain't turning us down.

1018
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:02,400
Speaker 1: He just always busy. He's in Milwaukee, he said, this

1019
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:05,040
Speaker 1: weekend or this this run for us him on that

1020
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:05,600
Speaker 1: damn bike.

1021
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 3: Tell the ped.

1022
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 1: Well you you help us and with me and jackill

1023
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:15,719
Speaker 1: continue to work on. We love to sit down with

1024
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 1: your brother.

1025
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:18,120
Speaker 2: That's some story. Now you want some story.

1026
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:21,840
Speaker 3: Oh no, you talking about your story about you? About

1027
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 3: I want to hear about Larry Brown and how that

1028
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 3: wasn't you know, what what was it like to really

1029
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:30,880
Speaker 3: be coached by Larry Bird.

1030
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:34,360
Speaker 2: Brown Bird Bird, I wasn't coached by Larry I know.

1031
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 3: That's what I want to I want.

1032
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 4: He was a great he was a great president and

1033
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 4: gentle amount of team. That's who called me and gave

1034
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 4: me my biggest contract. Like I was in my neighborhood,

1035
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:47,400
Speaker 4: sitting in the corner with my friends, and I got

1036
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:50,480
Speaker 4: a phone call from Lar Bird and put I'm like, y'all,

1037
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:54,360
Speaker 4: Slarry Bird. Everybody got up, start rolling up instantly. I'm like,

1038
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 4: and Larry Bird told me, welcome to the Indiana Paces.

1039
00:54:57,640 --> 00:55:00,359
Speaker 4: We're giving you such such contract. And that's that's all

1040
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:02,520
Speaker 4: he had to do for me. I'm in death for life.

1041
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:05,800
Speaker 3: Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait, So he calls

1042
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 3: what were you expecting him to call? For? What reason?

1043
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:09,440
Speaker 4: Or No?

1044
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:10,799
Speaker 2: I wasn't expecting him to call.

1045
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:14,359
Speaker 4: I was getting ready to sign with the Pacers, right,

1046
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:17,120
Speaker 4: and I thought, Donnie Washington, my agent, was gonna call me.

1047
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:19,440
Speaker 2: So you got the call, Larry. They told Larry to

1048
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 2: call in my neighborhood.

1049
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:23,840
Speaker 4: You had to be hyped on that one went crazy,

1050
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 4: you know that one of the calls, you get up

1051
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 4: and everybody take off running.

1052
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:28,320
Speaker 1: One of them, one of them phone calls.

1053
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:30,880
Speaker 2: I'll never forget it. Larry Bird called me.

1054
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:32,759
Speaker 3: All right, I had a quick question for you guys.

1055
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:37,120
Speaker 3: Toughest player you ever played against offensively?

1056
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 2: Kobe defensively run a test really by far? This is good.

1057
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:44,320
Speaker 2: He can win MVP at Defensive Player the Year multiple

1058
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:46,560
Speaker 2: years if this was right.

1059
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:48,520
Speaker 3: Yes, best coach you ever played for.

1060
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:52,680
Speaker 4: I'm gonna give you a best and favorite Okay, best

1061
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:57,840
Speaker 4: by fars, Greg Popovich favorite Don Nelson because he believed

1062
00:55:57,880 --> 00:55:59,320
Speaker 4: in me, he believed it.

1063
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:02,480
Speaker 1: I would say best, Damn. I played for some great coaches.

1064
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:09,439
Speaker 1: I would say best is probably Phil Jackson because Phil

1065
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:11,480
Speaker 1: and Phil, if you were able to get on that court,

1066
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:13,719
Speaker 1: it is only because he trusted you. So that's why

1067
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:15,520
Speaker 1: he just sat there and lets you let us play.

1068
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:18,200
Speaker 1: Phil didn't do too much screaming and barking and ship.

1069
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:21,279
Speaker 1: He sat on his extended super high chair. And if

1070
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:22,440
Speaker 1: you were able to get on the court for him,

1071
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:24,040
Speaker 1: that means he really trusted and believed in you.

1072
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:28,480
Speaker 2: We both played for some great coaches, Love Brown, Mike Brown.

1073
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:32,759
Speaker 1: Rick Adaman. For me, Stanvean, it was a good coach.

1074
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:34,560
Speaker 1: He just phoned out his mouth every time he talked,

1075
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:35,439
Speaker 1: but he was a good coach.

1076
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:35,960
Speaker 2: Coach.

1077
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:38,400
Speaker 3: All right, My last final question. You're probably not gonna

1078
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:40,200
Speaker 3: answer this, but I'm gonna put you guys on the spot.

1079
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:43,080
Speaker 3: Laziest teammate that could have been great?

1080
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:45,120
Speaker 1: Oh oh oh for.

1081
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:51,280
Speaker 4: Me, laziest teammate that could have been great? David Harrison,

1082
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:54,839
Speaker 4: Remember David, Yeah, he was with us in fight out.

1083
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:55,719
Speaker 3: He was crazy, bro.

1084
00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:58,800
Speaker 4: But I'm telling you three hundred pounds with a forty

1085
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:03,000
Speaker 4: plust vertical M hmm, unbelievable. By can catch can run

1086
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:03,360
Speaker 4: all that?

1087
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:05,600
Speaker 2: Just up here? Bro is up here.

1088
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:07,440
Speaker 1: I wouldn't, I don't. I don't want to use the

1089
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:11,040
Speaker 1: word lazy. I would use maybe it was tracted and

1090
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:13,120
Speaker 1: could have been great? Was Baron Davis. I don't want

1091
00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:15,080
Speaker 1: to say lazy because I don't really I wasn't around

1092
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:19,120
Speaker 1: at the business all the other ship.

1093
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:22,440
Speaker 3: I think Baron could have been in damn firm or lazy.

1094
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:32,880
Speaker 2: He was lazy, no, no, nois He was lazy.

1095
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:33,800
Speaker 3: Okay.

1096
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 4: All his energy was at the clubs. He used to

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00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:38,880
Speaker 4: show up to practice with no shoes on because he

1098
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:40,880
Speaker 4: left the shoes in the club. This type of person

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Speaker 4: we're talking.

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00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:43,120
Speaker 1: About, that's crazy. That's crazy. I want to ask you

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00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:44,480
Speaker 1: one last question for we get you out of here,

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00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:46,960
Speaker 1: all right. And you didn't give us the women's side,

1103
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:48,919
Speaker 1: so you got to give us this side. Rank these

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00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:52,520
Speaker 1: three in order your order, m J. Kobe Lebron, you're

1105
00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:55,560
Speaker 1: gonna do that one. Come on now, even running all day,

1106
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:57,000
Speaker 1: we let you slide on the other ones.

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00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:03,120
Speaker 3: Kobe Lebron, No one knows where I live.

1108
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:11,520
Speaker 2: Oh your brother, do though?

1109
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:12,960
Speaker 3: You guys can't get a hold of them.

1110
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 2: So I.

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00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:26,200
Speaker 3: Gotta go with m J. Lebron and then Kobe, and

1112
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:33,480
Speaker 3: not at all you can because when you look at Lebron, Lebron,

1113
00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:40,760
Speaker 3: in my opinion too, it's the greatest phenomenal specimen of

1114
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:48,800
Speaker 3: a specimen of an athlete physically, a physical I don't

1115
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:53,400
Speaker 3: know if we'll ever see a physical marvel of someone

1116
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:58,680
Speaker 3: of his magnitude. And it's just not it's his. You

1117
00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:07,400
Speaker 3: got to take that and the longevity everything, Okay, Lebron, MJ.

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00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:09,360
Speaker 1: Kobe, I ain't mad at that.

1119
00:59:09,720 --> 00:59:10,360
Speaker 2: I ain't at that.

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Speaker 3: You can talk to me. I've got it. I just

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00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:17,400
Speaker 3: got from longevity and he is still balling.

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00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:19,680
Speaker 1: And not to mention all that. I mean, I'll be

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00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:21,600
Speaker 1: talking basketball all the great shit he does off the

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Speaker 1: court as well.

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Speaker 3: You know what, This is why these guys are great interviewers.

1126
00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:28,080
Speaker 3: Don't give me all these particulars afterwards. Oh, you can

1127
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:32,080
Speaker 3: include this, include that he's a social activist.

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Speaker 2: And all this kind of stuff.

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00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:34,800
Speaker 3: But you know what, if you put that, then it's

1130
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:38,360
Speaker 3: clearly Lebron of what he does off the court things

1131
00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:41,880
Speaker 3: that yeah, I And then okay, now if you're gonna

1132
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:46,560
Speaker 3: add activism to it, then it's gonna be Lebron Kobe

1133
00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:48,800
Speaker 3: and then MJ. If you're gonna throw that in there,

1134
00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:55,040
Speaker 3: because Kobe has done so much not only for for

1135
00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:57,520
Speaker 3: your game, but for women's game and.

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00:59:57,600 --> 01:00:01,440
Speaker 4: What his daughter g would have a lot of stuff.

1137
01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:03,640
Speaker 4: All those guys do don't get highlighted, as I.

1138
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Speaker 3: Agree, And that's what I love about about certain athletes.

1139
01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:11,280
Speaker 3: You never know what their left hand is doing. Right.

1140
01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:14,480
Speaker 3: You may see this, but you never know what their

1141
01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:15,800
Speaker 3: left is. And I respect that.

1142
01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:21,200
Speaker 4: I respect players that so many old folks, homes that

1143
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:23,840
Speaker 4: in the hospitals that MJ and built in his mom's name.

1144
01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:25,680
Speaker 4: A lot of people don't talk about that either, you

1145
01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:27,760
Speaker 4: know what I mean. So they all do great things.

1146
01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:31,800
Speaker 3: So it's then one, two three better than.

1147
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:33,800
Speaker 1: Any order.

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Speaker 2: You see.

1149
01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:38,320
Speaker 3: You can't go wrong first, and they're still there's still building,

1150
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:40,480
Speaker 3: building and contributing.

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Speaker 2: What y man.

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01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:44,400
Speaker 1: We appreciate your time and and honor done for the

1153
01:00:44,520 --> 01:00:46,520
Speaker 1: game and and and and continue to do.

1154
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:51,400
Speaker 2: We got some thank you the books.

1155
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:53,080
Speaker 1: There got a book and some shirts and.

1156
01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:55,640
Speaker 3: I appreciate that, guys, thank you, thank you.

1157
01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:58,760
Speaker 1: That's a wrap that's ours. We got a coffee table

1158
01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:01,400
Speaker 1: book that's a wrap. Cheryl Hiller one of the greatest

1159
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:04,880
Speaker 1: to ever do it. A great player, but even better person.

1160
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Speaker 1: You can catch this on all the Smoke Productions YouTube

1161
01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:09,320
Speaker 1: and the DraftKings Network. We'll see y'all next week.

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Speaker 5: Mm hm.

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Speaker 2: M hm

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Speaker 3: H m hmm