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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 3: My name is Matt, my name is Nolan.

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Speaker 4: They call me Ben. We're joined as always with our

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Speaker 4: super producer Alexis code named Doc Holliday Jackson. Most importantly,

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Speaker 4: you are you. You are here. That makes this the

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Speaker 4: stuff they don't want you to know. I hope your

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Speaker 4: brain waves are doing well, fellow conspiracy realist. We are

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Speaker 4: also going to check in with the state of music

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Speaker 4: in a country or a region you haven't heard too

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Speaker 4: much about here in the US. We are going to

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Speaker 4: along the way mention some other stories that caught out eyes.

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Speaker 4: If you're listening to this and you're currently unhoused, here

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Speaker 4: as hoping that the Supreme Court does not ban sleeping outdoors,

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Speaker 4: which is a thing they're trying to do. Have you

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Speaker 4: heard about this?

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Speaker 3: No, that also include camping.

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Speaker 4: That's the question. Yeah, it's like, how would you.

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Speaker 5: We'll get it probably have to be in a national

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and before the mutated strains of drug resistant bacteria

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Speaker 4: get into the International Space Station or take it over.

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Speaker 4: It's already up there in orbit. We have other stories

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Speaker 4: not be appropriate to all audience members. So we're going

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Speaker 4: to talk about an incredibly disturbing event, self immolation that

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Speaker 4: occurred here in the United States shortly after we recorded

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Speaker 4: our previous Strange News and listener mail. And if this

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Speaker 4: is something that may you feel may not be appropriate

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Speaker 4: for you or the kiddo's listening along, absolutely fine. Just

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Speaker 4: fast forward fifteen minutes or so and I'll give you

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Speaker 4: a chance to go very well. We begin want to

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Speaker 4: introduce you to a man named Max Azarello. At the

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Speaker 4: age of thirty seven, Max Azarello set himself on fire

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Speaker 4: in a part outside of the Lower Manhattan Courthouse where

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Speaker 4: the trial of former President Donald Trump continues today. This

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Speaker 4: was a long time in coming, and if you are

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Speaker 4: someone who is on social media, you may have seen

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Speaker 4: a lot of the discourse as this was happening. If

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Speaker 4: you were not on social media and you get your

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Speaker 4: news through maybe broadcast television or the radio, then you

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Speaker 4: may have also heard the live reporting of this self immolation.

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Speaker 4: Self emilation is just the word for setting oneself on fire.

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Speaker 4: And this this prompted a conversation immediately about what the

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Speaker 4: motives may have been, right, what would what could possibly

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Speaker 4: drive someone to injure themselves in this way. Historically, we

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Speaker 4: know that self immolation in the modern era has often

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Speaker 4: been an act of protest right in the Asian theater

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Speaker 4: as well as you know the ostensible launch of the

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Speaker 4: Arab Spring not too long ago, and I think we

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Speaker 4: all read about this case separately. By the time that

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Speaker 4: a lot of this stuff, this person was still alive.

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Speaker 4: They were grievously injured when they set themselves on fire.

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Speaker 4: They were taken to a hospital after the flames were

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Speaker 4: What we'd like to do with our time today here

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Speaker 4: We read his manifesto right, and he also left videos

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Speaker 4: about the beliefs that propelled him toward this act. I'd

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Speaker 4: the scary thing is, I think for many of us

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Speaker 4: that he had a very close relationship with. Max was

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Speaker 4: And I think we've all, like we're mentioning this off air.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's the pamphlet that he was distributing. You can

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Speaker 4: Right, and if you were in the wrong place, that

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Speaker 4: To give you just some excerpts here which is right now.

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Speaker 4: You can find it easily, folks. He says, my name

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Speaker 4: so himself on fire outside of the Trump trial in Manhattan.

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Speaker 4: Interesting note this is not related to the Trump trial. Itself,

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Speaker 4: And as you read through. As you read through, Max

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Speaker 4: multi trillion dollar ponzi scheme. He says further, the cryptocurrency

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Speaker 4: very again apocalyptic end of civilization type stuff. He also

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Speaker 4: stories are untrue, but in this case, Max also argues

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Speaker 4: eight DNC speech where he nominates to Caucus. He taught

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Speaker 4: talks about Rob Lowe getting stitched up. He brings in Epstein.

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Speaker 4: financial criminals, which again I don't know, let's stop there.

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Speaker 4: The Simpsons thing, by the way, traces back to Harvard.

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Speaker 4: like the Lampoon.

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Speaker 3: Isn't that the kind of comedy magazine of Harvard?

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Speaker 2: Yes, but he's specifically talking, well, yeah, I guess talking

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Speaker 4: I think, you know, it's kind of like a pop

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Speaker 4: the Simpsons predicted insert thing here, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, But in his in his pamphlet, he's saying that

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Speaker 2: The Simpsons as a show basically was programmed us to

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Speaker 3: Do we really need the Simpsons to feel that way?

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Speaker 4: So let me get to a quote from the manifesto,

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Speaker 4: Look at his manifesto where he writes out a lot

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Speaker 4: would it do so well? It offers a dysfunctional family

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Speaker 4: dream from us it is, says Max, for lack of

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Speaker 4: a more elegant word, brainwashing. And while this might all

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Speaker 5: Couldn't you apply that kind of thinking to just about

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a rorshack aspect to it, right, what do

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Speaker 4: we interpret? You know? Because Married with Children, if you

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Speaker 4: remember that show that had a lot of the same stuff,

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Speaker 4: It's not. No, the Simpsons had the benefit or has

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Speaker 4: But with this, you know, the issue for me, guys,

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Speaker 4: the institutions and the regimes and morals that are supposed

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Speaker 4: you know, look at the Supreme Court, that's got some

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Speaker 4: real problems that are coming to bear now.

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Speaker 5: Well, none of these things are patently untrue. It's also

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Speaker 5: not a particularly unique take. I would argue any of it.

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Speaker 5: And we're back with a story that still definitely feels

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Speaker 5: The Russian Republic of Checha has recently announced a ban

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Speaker 5: About one twenty to one twenty two beats per mint it.

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Speaker 4: which is almost impossible in the era of streaming music.

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00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 4: But then you could say, well, you can't play this

435
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:57,160
Speaker 4: in official state functions, right, no more Hotel California.

436
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:00,280
Speaker 5: Except the funny thing about it is there there are

437
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 5: so many American as apple pie songs that totally fit

438
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 5: the bill, like Staying Alive by the Beg's. I mean,

439
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 5: how much more American can you get in terms of

440
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 5: like importation of culture. I mean it's just classic you

441
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:19,119
Speaker 5: know disco, you know white dudes singing falsetto.

442
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,880
Speaker 4: And traditional chech and music by the way kind of slaps.

443
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 5: Oh, absolutely no, for sure, And I've certainly heard a

444
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 5: lot of traditional Chechen music because of the nature of

445
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 5: the string sounds and the rhythms, the poly rhythms used

446
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 5: in electronic music and samples and like used as like

447
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 5: textures and kind of like loops, you know, underlying kind

448
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:42,439
Speaker 5: of electronic music. But yeah, like I'm getting a lot

449
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 5: of this from this NPR piece, by the way, from

450
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 5: April ninth by Rachel Triesman, And she points out that,

451
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 5: in addition to Staying Alive by the Begs led Zeppelins,

452
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 5: Stairway to Heaven, which is eighty two bpms fits the bill,

453
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 5: Dancing Queen by another very European kind of like fashion

454
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:09,400
Speaker 5: forward kind of Western vibe there, and Taylor Swift's ten

455
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 5: minute version of All Too Well, which is ninety four.

456
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 5: I guess my thing is, like the whole bpm range

457
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,879
Speaker 5: seems just problematic in terms of like, how is this

458
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 5: actually accomplishing what they're setting out to accomplish. Apparently even

459
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:26,359
Speaker 5: the Russian National Anthem and its official recording currently it

460
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 5: is out of this range.

461
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:29,399
Speaker 3: It's too slow.

462
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,239
Speaker 2: Well, they have until June first to rewrite it.

463
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 3: Well, there you go, and I'm sure that would happen.

464
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 5: But even like the song in the background of the

465
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 5: kind of like press release video that announced this was

466
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 5: also didn't fit the bill for the standard.

467
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 3: It's really interesting.

468
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, I've got one of those silly, very clear

469
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 2: pictures in my head of roving groups of military or

470
00:28:56,800 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 2: police personnel that have some kind of device that just

471
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 2: measures beats per minute. It exists for just walking around

472
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 2: it detecting.

473
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 3: Tap tempo is what it is.

474
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 5: They're walking around with just like a metronome and tapping

475
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 5: the tempo like a producer would try to get a

476
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 5: tempo for like a track and able to oh no,

477
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 5: shut it down.

478
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,959
Speaker 4: After the June first deadline, though, at least artists who

479
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 4: have to rewrite songs in Chechnya. From Smithsonian article you

480
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 4: sent and old that also links to the original reporting

481
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 4: in the Moscow Times, it looks like they will have

482
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 4: an opportunity to rewrite their songs if they don't jibe

483
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 4: with the new band. But if they don't rewrite a song,

484
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 4: then they just can't play that song in public. So

485
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 4: is it kind of like how some countries will ban

486
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 4: smoking in public places, but you can still like smoke

487
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 4: at your house? Can you still play what was it?

488
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 4: Here Comes the Sun in your apartment? Yeah?

489
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 5: It's sort of like you know drug laws, where it's

490
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 5: okay to consume it's in your private home, but not

491
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 5: out in public, or you can't buy it or whatever

492
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 5: the rules might be. One thing to mention too, Ben,

493
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 5: that I'm sure you're aware of, is human Rights Watches

494
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 5: view of Chechnya. As recently as twenty seventeen and twenty nineteen,

495
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 5: they conducted some very deadly purges of folks seen as

496
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 5: being part of the lgbtq IA community.

497
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 3: And there's something.

498
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 5: About the idea of like banning club music has such

499
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 5: a you know, place in gay culture, you know, and

500
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 5: in terms of like just the history of it, and

501
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 5: then like the nature of dancing in clubs as often

502
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 5: there's there are some huge, you know, forces in that

503
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 5: world that are part of that of that culture, and

504
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:43,479
Speaker 5: you just got to wonder if there's sort of like

505
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,960
Speaker 5: a behind the scenes, you know, dog whistley thing where

506
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 5: they're saying this, this stuff isn't welcome here anymore. But

507
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 5: it's like it wouldn't have to be this veiled about it, though,

508
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 5: because they've been so open about their disdain for that

509
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 5: kind of culture as well. So you've got to wonder

510
00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 5: what the real motivation is.

511
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 4: Maybe it is a cult for war, a culture war mentality,

512
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 4: because it doesn't this come in the step of first

513
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 4: they've been terrible to like LGTBQ people for quite some time.

514
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 4: There is an active warning for anybody traveling there regarding that.

515
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 4: And then I think this was on the heels of

516
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 4: an unintentional pun, on the heels of new dress code

517
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 4: crackdowns to make people dress in accordance with their interpretation

518
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 4: of Islamic law.

519
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 2: Guys, can we do a quick demonstration just for anybody

520
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 2: that isn't hasn't sat in a studio before, like absolutely

521
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 2: must have with a bpm like a metronome playing. Yeah,

522
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 2: So here's a quick example of eighty beats per minute.

523
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 2: So this would be the minimum number of beats per

524
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 2: minute that are that is allowable under this new rule.

525
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 2: Here we go, okay, and then.

526
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 3: Here ballid territory kind of yeah.

527
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 2: And here's one hundred and sixteen beat for a.

528
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 4: Minute too fast, shut it down, shut it smash the metro.

529
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 2: That's that's right on the edge. That's allowable.

530
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 3: And I just think the discrepancy too, between like one

531
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 3: sixteen and one seventeen. Oh, buddy, like if anyone's ever

532
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 3: fuzed over making beats.

533
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 5: Sure again, the psychological effect of like of tempo really

534
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 5: does read. But the difference between one sixteen and one

535
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 5: seventeen is probably something only a really nerdy producer in

536
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 5: the weeds is gonna know.

537
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 3: That's it. That's the one.

538
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, so even with seventy nine and eighty, right, I mean,

539
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 2: of course, really really close.

540
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 3: I just wanted to add something that I thought.

541
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 5: I saw this on a YouTube video and I'm sorry,

542
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 5: I'm forgetting the creator pointed out something that I was

543
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 5: unaware of. In nineteen ninety four, the UK passed a

544
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 5: law that banned public performances of music quote holy or

545
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 5: predominantly characterized by the emission of a succession of repetitive

546
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 5: beats aka tech. They were trying to crack down on

547
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 5: club culture. They were trying to crack.

548
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 3: Down on raves. You know, this is like the high

549
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 3: time for raves. And there's a.

550
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 5: Very interesting group called Autecra who are kind of in this.

551
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 5: I don't know, it's sort of an annoying designation, but

552
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 5: IDM stands for intelligent dance music, things like AFX twin

553
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 5: and square pusher like the beat boops, not just straight

554
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 5: up four on the floor like dancey club music. But Autekra,

555
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 5: in response to this law, issued a track called Flutter,

556
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 5: in which no two bars ever have the same beat,

557
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 5: and it was literally like a protest, and they had

558
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 5: some very interesting things to say about it in the

559
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 5: let's see, in the literature that came with I believe

560
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 5: it was either a single or something. Let's see, the

561
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 5: track was programmed to have non repetitive beats and therefore,

562
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 5: according to them, can be played at both forty five

563
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 5: and thirty three RPMs on a turntable under the proposed.

564
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 4: Law, which is what we call malicious compliance.

565
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 5: Yes, and then they also went on to advise that

566
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 5: any DJs spending their track to quote, have a lawyer

567
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 5: and a musicologist president at all times to confirm the

568
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,840
Speaker 5: non repetitive nature of the music in the event of

569
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 5: police harassment.

570
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 4: Fantastic.

571
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 5: So that's the kind of thing we're talking about with

572
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 5: this Chechnia story, where it really because I guess you

573
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 5: can measure bpms more easily than you can how often

574
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 5: beats repeat or what qualifies as like repetitive, because that's

575
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:29,280
Speaker 5: sort of a little bit subjective, and bpm are an

576
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 5: objectively measurable thing. But what if you had a song

577
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 5: that changed BPM's it's only one sixteen for a second,

578
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 5: and then it goes down to whatever acceptable rate? Are

579
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:43,400
Speaker 5: you doing an average? At this point these cops are

580
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 5: going to have to have some serious math skills.

581
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 4: What if you are considered a political dissident, because we

582
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,479
Speaker 4: know Chechnya has a lot of problems with this right now,

583
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 4: what better pretext would there be? Now the police can

584
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 4: just break into your flat and say, oh, we have

585
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,720
Speaker 4: to check the BPM and we found this other stuff,

586
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 4: so you're under arrest and executed.

587
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,240
Speaker 5: And could it go to the lengths of like book

588
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 5: burnings where it's no longer even legal to possess these

589
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:15,319
Speaker 5: You know, it's a slippery slope. You start by doing

590
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 5: it and thinking it about public performance, but then next

591
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 5: thing you know, it's like, no, we're really cracking down

592
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:22,720
Speaker 5: and we need, you know, to have this iron grasp

593
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:26,720
Speaker 5: over culture and it's no longer legal to possess these things,

594
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:30,360
Speaker 5: Like how long a walk is it from one of those.

595
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:30,879
Speaker 3: To the other?

596
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 4: Yeah? And how do you I don't know's it's definitely

597
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 4: part of something larger, I think, a way to further

598
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 4: exert control over the region and the public. But as

599
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 4: you was suitably pointed out here, Nol, there are a

600
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 4: lot of problems with the idea of an enforcement of this,

601
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 4: let alone the conception of this kind of law, and

602
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:59,840
Speaker 4: those problems are such that we have to question the motivation,

603
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 4: like the idea of quote unquote preserving culture that just

604
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 4: doesn't It doesn't have enough sand for me. It doesn't

605
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 4: hold water. It feels like it is for something else. Perhaps,

606
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 4: as you said, it is a dog whistle, right, like

607
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:19,240
Speaker 4: when racist politicians back in the nineteen eighties and nineties

608
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 4: would have what would make such a to do about

609
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 4: quote unquote urban music, right, so now they're just saying bpms.

610
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 5: Well, weirdly enough, speaking of that bizarre designation, and in

611
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 5: commercial radio, by the way, hip hop in the main

612
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 5: totally acceptable under this designation because I think it's largely

613
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:45,320
Speaker 5: like seventy five bpms or faster. But within that range,

614
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:47,319
Speaker 5: you know, you don't usually have except for like maybe

615
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,319
Speaker 5: like bombs over Baghdad by outcasts, you wouldn't really have

616
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 5: a hip hop song that was at the speeds that

617
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 5: are on the upper end of that.

618
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 4: That makes it clear. I think we know what we

619
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,879
Speaker 4: have to do. Gentlemen. It's time to contact the Wu tang.

620
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:02,799
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, take them out of the vague. They're they're

621
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,839
Speaker 4: in Vegas training right now. I say, we deployed them.

622
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 3: Oh, I thought they were chilling in the thirty sixth chamber.

623
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 4: That you are you read on to Operation thirty six chaper.

624
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 2: Absolutely, they relocated it to the outskirts of Vegas.

625
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, oh, I don't care for that in the sphere

626
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:24,400
Speaker 5: perhaps anyway, I don't know. Interesting story, interesting example of

627
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 5: a very odd move that seems to be a harbinger

628
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:31,240
Speaker 5: of things to come, perhaps much like the Unfortunate Fellow

629
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:33,800
Speaker 5: and your story, Ben, but again a lot less heavy.

630
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:38,720
Speaker 5: But something that seems less heavy on the surface can

631
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:42,479
Speaker 5: yield much heavier results down the road, as things tend

632
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 5: to kind of snowball with these levels of like trying

633
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:48,359
Speaker 5: to control what people can and can't do. Let's take

634
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:50,239
Speaker 5: a quick break here, a word from our sponsor, and

635
00:37:50,280 --> 00:38:01,359
Speaker 5: then come back with one more piece of strange news.

636
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 2: And we're back. Guys. I can't wait until twenty thirty

637
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 2: eight rhyme The newly yeah right, the newly elected President

638
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 2: of the United States requires that all music that is

639
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:12,799
Speaker 2: played within the United States be bluegrass only. There's only bluegrass,

640
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 2: and people will have until September to rewrite all of

641
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:19,240
Speaker 2: their songs into a bluegrass format that's going to be exciting.

642
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 5: Bluegrass has got to be on the upper end of

643
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 5: that bpm range. It's it's all pretty quick, but.

644
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 2: It is representative of American culture somehow.

645
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 4: Which is interesting because parnage of it. Yeah, because the

646
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 4: banjo clearly traces back to an African instrument.

647
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 5: Ah see see, and a lot of the Chechen instruments

648
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 5: that are kind of loot like or these sort of

649
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 5: like you know, have that sort of timber to them.

650
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Speaker 4: Well as the first actual facts Homo sapiens, you know

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Speaker 4: what I mean, the origin of humanity. A lot of

652
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Speaker 4: stuff people acclaiming is their own ultimately traces back to

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Speaker 4: you know, when people started people e yah in Africa.

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Speaker 2: Basically we're saying this is nuts. All of this stuff

655
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Speaker 2: is nuts. Well, hey, you know what else is nuts?

656
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Speaker 2: Everything you've ever thought ever in your whole life or

657
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Speaker 2: seen or heard happened inside your brain. And let's talk

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Speaker 2: about what happens inside there and whether or not you

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Speaker 2: control the data that your brain generates.

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Speaker 4: You're reading my mind, Matt.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I hope.

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Speaker 4: So this is one of those things. By the way,

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Speaker 4: when I see this, I didn't even I didn't even

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Speaker 4: bother to reach out because I was like, I know

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Speaker 4: one of it. We have to get to this. I'm

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Speaker 4: very excited.

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Speaker 2: This is it, y'all. Ten years ago, almost today, in

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Speaker 2: April twenty fourteen, we released an audio and video series

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Speaker 2: about something that was then known as neuro marketing. If

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Speaker 2: you want to look those up, you can search our

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00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 2: YouTube channel at conspiracy stuff for quote exploiting your reptilian

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Speaker 2: brain for profit or neuro marketing and you that's a

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Speaker 2: real banger. You should check that one out. Only forty

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Speaker 2: four thousand people have seen it so far. Neuromarketing, science

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Speaker 2: or science fiction. Those are all three video and audio

676
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Speaker 2: episodes you can listen to right now about this thing

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Speaker 2: called neuromarketing that at the time was is being pioneered

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Speaker 2: by several private companies that were using fMRI technology and

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Speaker 2: EEG technology to scan the old human brain while that

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Speaker 2: meat based sensor equipment was interacting with advertisements to basically

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Speaker 2: get a better concept or an understanding of what a

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Speaker 2: consumer's response to advertising is, what they focus on visually,

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Speaker 2: what they remember from the audio, and most importantly, how

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Speaker 2: the ad made that meat brain feel.

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, saying meat brain made my meat brain sizzle

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Speaker 5: a little bit.

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Speaker 2: Well, there you go. And since then, y'all, we've been rapidly,

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Speaker 2: unsteadily careening down this old humanity mountain towards full on

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Speaker 2: android territory. And now in twenty twenty four, there are

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Speaker 2: companies like Neurolink that we've talked about before, synchron that

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Speaker 2: we haven't mentioned that much, Precision Neuroscience, several others. They're

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Speaker 2: all developing and actually deploying direct brain to computer interfaces,

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Speaker 2: hardware and software. So do we think there's anything we

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Speaker 2: need to be worried about?

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Speaker 4: Guys, there are a lot of things people need to

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Speaker 4: be worried about.

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Speaker 3: Let's not worry about all of them at once, though.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, because I think we kind of we can. I

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Speaker 4: like the way the predicted the predictive area of tonight's program.

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Speaker 4: We did make some predictions there. Just the technology is

701
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Speaker 4: too yummy, the science is too useful and applicable for

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Speaker 4: it not to be used or applied. But we were

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Speaker 4: I think pretty forthright when we said we couldn't make

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Speaker 4: a call on the timeline we just need. It's like

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Speaker 4: when you know it's going to rain, but you don't

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Speaker 4: know if it's going to rain at three thirty seven

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Speaker 4: or just in the afternoon, but we always on the

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Speaker 4: way exactly. It's a range.

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Speaker 2: It is well and again, this technology ten years ago

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Speaker 2: was aimed at understanding the brain wave functionality the thoughts, right,

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Speaker 2: that are happening. Now it's moved into understanding like reading

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Speaker 2: them to the point where they can be used. Your

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Speaker 2: thought can be used as an input as an interface,

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Speaker 2: right m hm. The fear that is now coursing through

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Speaker 2: think tanks and lobbying groups and even now state senators

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Speaker 2: and governors here in the United States and parliaments in

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Speaker 2: other countries across the world, particularly in Latin America. The

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Speaker 2: concept is how do we protect the data that's stored

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Speaker 2: in each one of our meat brains from being exploited, used,

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Speaker 2: sold by companies that are building tech to read those thoughts?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 4: Because you have new currently you know, again, legislation, as

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Speaker 4: we even said back then, Unfortunately we're always correct with that,

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Speaker 4: legislation is often outpaced by technology. So there is it's

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Speaker 4: a new theatre of what we define as identity and rights.

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Speaker 4: You know, do you have a right to your thoughts?

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Speaker 5: Couldn't you argue in terms of the whole you know,

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Speaker 5: technology outpacing legislation that this is pretty forward thinking legislation

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Speaker 5: for something that's really just on the bleeding edge that

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Speaker 5: they haven't really even spelled out like what this looks

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Speaker 5: like in terms of you know, we've got some things

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Speaker 5: like neuralink and you know folks that are using their

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Speaker 5: minds to control very simple things and play you know,

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Speaker 5: World of Warcraft or whatever it was that the guy

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Speaker 5: did all night. But it does seem for the legislature

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Speaker 5: in Colorado to be thinking about this already.

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Speaker 3: It's kind of smart.

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Speaker 2: Agreed, agreed. So let's jump to the article that we

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Speaker 2: found on Reuters on April seventeenth, twenty twenty four, that

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Speaker 2: is last Wednesday as we're recording this on the twenty fourth,

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Speaker 2: And here's the title. First Law protecting Consumers brain Waves

742
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Speaker 2: signed by Colorado Governor, that is Governor Jared Polis Paulis Polis.

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Speaker 2: It's literally to protect brain waves that which is crazy

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Speaker 2: to say out loud.

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Speaker 5: I don't know, as though it were your intellectual property

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Speaker 5: in some way, or like it's got personhood or what

747
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Speaker 5: are we talking about here?

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Speaker 3: That's really interesting.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's data, it's your data, and literally it's yeah,

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Speaker 2: rawest of data, and it has never before been accessible

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Speaker 2: unless that data was expressed through either words or someone's writing,

752
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Speaker 2: or through music, through you know, in some way it

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Speaker 2: was it was expelled from your brain.

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Speaker 4: It was collected, even if it was collected physically through

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Speaker 4: monitoring by scientists. Right and even then, for quite some time,

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Speaker 4: they would just have a vague understanding of neural activity.

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Speaker 4: But they hadn't reached the point where some research is

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Speaker 4: at this moment where you can have someone hooked up

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Speaker 4: to the right equipment, they can think something and you

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Speaker 4: can literally see what they are envisioning or get, for

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Speaker 4: lack of a better word, a transcript of their thoughts.

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Speaker 5: Wasn't there a dream study that where people could look

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Speaker 5: at kind of get some a vague rough estimation visually

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Speaker 5: of what someone was dreaming.

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Speaker 2: It's all happening.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: You combine it with stuff like modem's ability to sense

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Speaker 2: the number of human beings in a room. You can

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Speaker 2: get into like some of the Bluetooth technology and how

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Speaker 2: that has advanced, get into you know, peripherals that are

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Speaker 2: used for gaming.

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Speaker 4: Right now, Sure you can buy to location tracking dude.

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Speaker 2: As all of that stuff comes together, we are closer

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Speaker 2: and closer and closer to this really crazy place where

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Speaker 2: whatever entity it is, whatever corporation likely it is, we'll

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Speaker 2: be able to understand your thoughts wherever you are, where

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Speaker 2: you go, how you think, what you think. It's just

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Speaker 2: going to be insane.

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Speaker 4: And the end goal, right, predictive ability, predictive of what

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Speaker 4: you're thinking, but what you will.

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Speaker 2: Think well, And I would say putting the thoughts in

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Speaker 2: on purpose, because that's what ads are, right. Ads are

783
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 2: meant to persuade us that In those episodes in twenty fourteen,

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Speaker 2: it was all about how to make a more persuasive

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Speaker 2: ad to get someone to need to not only want

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Speaker 2: to buy something, but to feel as though they need

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Speaker 2: to buy something. So according to this article from Reuters

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Speaker 2: written by Brad Brooks, the sponsors of this bill said,

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Speaker 2: quote it was necessary as quote quick advances in neurotechnology

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Speaker 2: make scanning, analyzing, and selling mental data increasingly more possible

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Speaker 2: and profitable. Other people who sponsored the bill state Representative

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Speaker 2: Kathy Kipp Let's see state Senator Kevin Priola. Priola and

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Speaker 2: another huge proponent of this bill. And I would say

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Speaker 2: it doesn't say this in the article, but likely one

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Speaker 2: of the entities that really helped write this bill is

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Speaker 2: a group called the neuro Rights Foundation. It's a nonprofit

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Speaker 2: that promotes the ethical development of neurotechnology.

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Speaker 3: Right out of.

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Speaker 5: Fallout, guys, I mean, can you imagine getting your brain skimmed,

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Speaker 5: you know, like where we're worried about, like long range

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Speaker 5: credit card skimmers or like RFID tag readers. Can you

802
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 5: imagine if this stuff, you know, advance so far that

803
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 5: walking around someone could shoot something at your head and

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00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:29,239
Speaker 5: pull ideas out or pull your personal you know, passwords

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Speaker 5: or whatever.

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Speaker 4: Like.

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Speaker 5: I know it sounds pie in the sky now, but

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Speaker 5: the way this stuff goes it's exponential, you know.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think it's I don't think it's that

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00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:41,439
Speaker 4: far of a walk honestly, which and there is one

811
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:44,920
Speaker 4: good thing though, just the larger context. It reminds me

812
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Speaker 4: of like that TikTok band that keeps getting discussed instead

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00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 4: of data protection laws. This is a cool way to

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Speaker 4: get in front of some things. This might actually set

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Speaker 4: whatever the retroactive version of a precedent is in jurispruits.

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00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 4: If it works, you get say, well, we're protecting thoughts,

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Speaker 4: let's protect these other things too. It's a bit Polyanna,

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Speaker 4: but so I speak it out loud into the ether,

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Speaker 4: so anybody's skimming thoughts will be like hopefully thinking, eh,

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Speaker 4: that's a good idea, and then write their congress folk.

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Speaker 3: Just don't think about mister Staypuff. I'm sorry.

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Speaker 5: Whatever I think about, like clearing your head. I think

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Speaker 5: about that scene of Ghostbusters where you know, whatever they

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00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:26,319
Speaker 5: think of is what's the form that the traveler is

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Speaker 5: going to take?

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Speaker 3: And of course the ones thought that pops into.

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Speaker 5: Whoever it was, whatever characters had was the cuddly mister Staypuff.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I think that was Dan Aykroyd's character.

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Speaker 3: Yes, you're right.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So guys, for anybody who's listening to this and

831
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Speaker 2: is still feeling skeptical, this is Reuter's writing. Just listen

832
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Speaker 2: to this. We kind of already said it at the

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Speaker 2: top quote the US Food and Drug Administration. Last year,

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Speaker 2: the FDA approved human studies for Neuralink's brain implants, which,

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Speaker 2: as we just said, had previously been tested on animals

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Speaker 2: and is now being tested on humans and it appears

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Speaker 2: to be functioning. Earlier this month, in April twenty twenty four,

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Speaker 2: the CEO of another company, Syncron Synchro n which is

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Speaker 2: I guess a rival to Neurlink. They talked to Reuters

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Speaker 2: and they said the company is preparing to recruit patients

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Speaker 2: for their large scale clinical trials that eventually will they're

842
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Speaker 2: looking for commercial approval for its brain interface brain to

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Speaker 2: computer interface system. And those are literally two companies out

844
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Speaker 2: of dozens across the world that are developing this tech

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Speaker 2: right now and have been for a while.

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Speaker 4: And not all of those companies labor under the same

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Speaker 4: regulations no of research that the US applies. So it's

848
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Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, I think you're god, it is something.

849
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Speaker 4: I think we're onto something in twenty fourteen going through

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Speaker 4: how do we get to that? It was the obsession

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Speaker 4: with tcts maybe that led into that, But yeah, man,

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00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:03,840
Speaker 4: on the way, there is another there is a group

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Speaker 4: of positive cases for this, you know, being able to

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Speaker 4: interact directly with neural activity and say comotose patients or

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Speaker 4: people are physically unresponsive. That's that's one of the cases

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Speaker 4: that could be a positive. But given the profit motives

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Speaker 4: that are clearly apparent here, we can't say that no

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Speaker 4: one is going to use this in an nefarious and

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Speaker 4: disturbing way.

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Speaker 5: Well, it feels like the kind of tech or the

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Speaker 5: thinking behind the whole trope of wearing a tinfoil hat

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Speaker 5: or some sort of implement that guards your brain from

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Speaker 5: being infiltrated, you know, penetrated remotely. Those tropes exist for

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Speaker 5: for a reason. I'm not saying, you know, that's ever

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Speaker 5: been the case. I just feel like this is now

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Speaker 5: the time and history where we are closer to that

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Speaker 5: reality than ever before, you know. And then there's something

868
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Speaker 5: what would that look like if all of a sudden,

869
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Speaker 5: this technology is cracked so wide open. Of course it

870
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Speaker 5: ends up in the commercial sector first, but then people

871
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 5: figure out how to jail break it, and then people

872
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:06,480
Speaker 5: figure out how to build devices or they can do

873
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:10,439
Speaker 5: it themselves, you know, with again nefarious purposes. Of course

874
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:13,440
Speaker 5: they would be guarded at first, but then we always

875
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:16,719
Speaker 5: see that kind of tech trickle down into like hobbyists

876
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Speaker 5: and folks that are doing this and maybe even making improvements.

877
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Speaker 4: You know.

878
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 3: It's I don't know, it's yeah, it's wild.

879
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:25,800
Speaker 2: It is wild. And laws are never going to protect

880
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 2: anybody from a bad actor that doesn't give a crap

881
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 2: about laws, right if somebody is coming through and let's say,

882
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:35,359
Speaker 2: illegally scanning brains, even though there are laws against that

883
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 2: kind of action. But thankfully, if you're worried about a corporation,

884
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:43,280
Speaker 2: let's say, a company that is trying to sell products

885
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:46,840
Speaker 2: or maybe even surreptitiously do some brain scanning at some

886
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:50,400
Speaker 2: point in the airport in the future, the best place

887
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:53,439
Speaker 2: is to go. Right now as of today's recording, are

888
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 2: Colorado because they're putting legislation forward. And who'd have thought

889
00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:00,759
Speaker 2: Chile if you want to have to to Chile. Their

890
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:05,360
Speaker 2: Supreme Court just issued a unanimous decision ordering a company

891
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:09,319
Speaker 2: there that was doing some brain scanning stuff called Emotive

892
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 2: Emotiv to delete all the data that it had collected

893
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 2: on one of the senators there in Chile, Guido Girardi,

894
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 2: and like they made them get rid of that information.

895
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:25,759
Speaker 2: The company complied, they shut down for a moment, and

896
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:29,799
Speaker 2: they restarted just basically with these new rules. But it's

897
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Speaker 2: the first time that I guess, as supreme court or

898
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Speaker 2: a major court of any kind said hey, let's make

899
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 2: a ruling on brain scanning in particular.

900
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Speaker 5: I would think too that for medical purposes this stuff

901
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:45,880
Speaker 5: would be covered under like HIPPA regulations, where you know,

902
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:50,080
Speaker 5: all of your personal private medical data is protected if.

903
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:51,760
Speaker 2: It's in a hospital or medical setting.

904
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Speaker 4: Right, And this is also we got to thank the

905
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:58,839
Speaker 4: neuro Rights Foundation. Didn't they work with Chile on that decision? Oh?

906
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:02,919
Speaker 2: They did. But again, look, I want to big up

907
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:06,560
Speaker 2: the neuro Rights Foundation, which you can find at neuro

908
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 2: n e u r O Rights Foundation dot org. You

909
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 2: can check them out. They're very interesting. They made a

910
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:16,440
Speaker 2: documentary with Verner Herzog by the way, Yeah, it's all

911
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:20,359
Speaker 2: about reading thoughts and stuff. Oh what is it called

912
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 2: Theater of Thought? That's the name of it. You can

913
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:26,840
Speaker 2: watch it. Well, it appears to be brand new. You

914
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:28,799
Speaker 2: can watch a trailer on YouTube right now, and it's

915
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 2: got Verner doing his you know, the mind. It's amazing

916
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 2: the mind. Sorry to taste, but yes, that that is

917
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:41,920
Speaker 2: in there, and I think they're good. It's one of

918
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:44,319
Speaker 2: those things that I haven't had enough time to go

919
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:46,320
Speaker 2: through and click on the hour.

920
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:50,279
Speaker 5: Board board of directors. Yet I knew there was going

921
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:53,360
Speaker 5: to be a butt. I want to big up these guys, well.

922
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:56,279
Speaker 2: I but again, you to do no.

923
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:58,840
Speaker 3: There's always the potential for aulterior motives. Of course.

924
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:01,880
Speaker 2: It on the surface it appears like what is that

925
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 2: Electronic Frontier Foundation where it appears to be. It's an

926
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 2: organization that appears to be doing really good work. We

927
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:11,440
Speaker 2: just don't know everything yet, but yeah, I think this

928
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 2: is worth maybe another full episode on this stuff.

929
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:14,439
Speaker 3: Guys.

930
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:16,040
Speaker 2: We may need to give it a little bit at

931
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:19,400
Speaker 2: more time if new stuff comes out. But I didn't

932
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:21,959
Speaker 2: know how many companies are trying to do this right now.

933
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:27,120
Speaker 4: I mean, remember last week we're talking about the like genesis,

934
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:31,239
Speaker 4: like the many livers. This is another form of biotech

935
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:35,000
Speaker 4: right where getting to that stage. And I'd like to

936
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 4: also it's synchronicity because I was also looking back at

937
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:43,560
Speaker 4: earlier research from twenty fourteen, and I feel like there

938
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 4: are a lot of fascinating things here that aren't getting mentioned,

939
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:49,800
Speaker 4: like how does this help the push for non human

940
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:55,680
Speaker 4: personhood right when you can directly communicate what's happening is

941
00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 4: we're building telepathy we as a civilization or building telepathy?

942
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 4: Are humans ready for it? I'm gonna say it's you know,

943
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:07,120
Speaker 4: sometimes the only way to swim is to jump in. Bro.

944
00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:11,200
Speaker 3: Humans could barely handle the Internet. I mean they can't. Yeah,

945
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:14,680
Speaker 3: this is next level from that. You know.

946
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:19,160
Speaker 4: It's just and we know we have some people listening

947
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:23,160
Speaker 4: tonight who are experts in related fields. Be cool to

948
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:23,799
Speaker 4: hear from them.

949
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:28,240
Speaker 2: Let us also let us know what we can finally

950
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:31,160
Speaker 2: get the tech from that movie up where I can

951
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:34,319
Speaker 2: talk to my dogs and hear them say things like

952
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 2: I have only just met you, but I love.

953
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:38,160
Speaker 3: You, and you know that's how he feels.

954
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:41,360
Speaker 4: Get a cast speak with animals.

955
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:44,360
Speaker 2: I want that. Well, Hey, that's all for me, guys.

956
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:49,240
Speaker 4: Fascinating one man, all fascinating, all all important and speaking

957
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:51,600
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958
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:54,720
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959
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:57,080
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960
00:55:57,080 --> 00:56:00,279
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961
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:01,440
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962
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:03,280
Speaker 3: Did you learn that from the new Taylor Swift album?

963
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:06,920
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964
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:09,799
Speaker 5: No, it's just funny how everyone's like, oh my god,

965
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:12,879
Speaker 5: who is this Patti Smith that Taylor Swift's talking about.

966
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:16,800
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967
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:20,399
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968
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972
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973
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974
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982
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983
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984
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985
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986
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Speaker 4: guys remember a while back when robot dogs became a

987
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:20,320
Speaker 4: thing and people were looking at all the DARPA videos

988
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:23,400
Speaker 4: and saying, oh, these are for peaceful purposes. I had

989
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 4: said immediately, I was like, the first thing that's going

990
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:28,640
Speaker 4: to happen is eventually someone is going to throw a

991
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:33,240
Speaker 4: weapon on it. Well get this. If for nine and

992
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:38,160
Speaker 4: twenty dollars, you too, civilian can buy a flame throwing

993
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:39,320
Speaker 4: robot dog.

994
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 3: What a terminator? Why wouldn't you? Oh, I didn't know

995
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:44,440
Speaker 3: that part the terminator.

996
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:48,280
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997
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998
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999
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