1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,880 Speaker 1: I would put anybody before Jordan then, And it wasn't 2 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:04,640 Speaker 1: a hate thing. It was just like bro y'all like 3 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:05,360 Speaker 1: him too much. 4 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:07,800 Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, that's gonna hate. 5 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 3: It might be actually the exactly. Yeah, oh boy, this 6 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 3: is the official hustlers answer. 7 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 2: You're getting money, throw it. 8 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 3: In the. 9 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 4: Still s clothes like Kristiner Green. I was cooking the 10 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 4: mo like horse shoes. I was tossing the moss. 11 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 2: Sound to reup, got a recyclar. Welcome to a new 12 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 2: episode of the new Rory Mall podcast. I am all Ury, 13 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 2: and today we are joined with a friend. Uh, a 14 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:49,559 Speaker 2: good guy, one of the craziest dudes I know, one 15 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 2: of the greatest debaters I've ever met, one of the 16 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 2: dudes that probably made my headline received just a little 17 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 2: bit in the past three months. 18 00:00:57,320 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 4: Uh. 19 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 2: We are joined by none other than Don Cannon. 20 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 4: Yah. Yeah, what's up? 21 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 2: How you doing? My brother? 22 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 4: Man? I can't complain, Bro. 23 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:06,320 Speaker 2: Well, thank you for stopping. Thank you for coming around that. 24 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, man, we've been talking about doing that. 25 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 2: We've been trying to get get this conversation for a while. 26 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 2: I'm glad it finally happened. You're a man of many hats, 27 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:21,199 Speaker 2: many talents, record record producer, executive, dj uh You're definitely 28 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 2: one of the greatest debates I've ever sat in the 29 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:23,399 Speaker 2: room with. 30 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 3: I'm absolutely the ship you say is like, it's not 31 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 3: so much the debate techniques, it's the things you can't argue. Yes, yeah, 32 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 3: you give those outlandish points effort that I can't even refute. 33 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 2: That makes sense, Like I don't do they though I 34 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:40,479 Speaker 2: don't know that it does. 35 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:42,039 Speaker 4: It makes it that makes sense. 36 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:45,480 Speaker 2: They look at it. May it made sense, but but 37 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 2: after a while it's like, nah, he crazy, Like I'm 38 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 2: not rolling with that, but in the moment, it makes 39 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 2: a lot of a lot of sense. So we're glad 40 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 2: to sit down and kick it with you today. What something? 41 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 2: How you How you feeling man? 42 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 4: I feel good, man. 43 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 1: Just happy to be in New York, just moving around. Now, 44 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 1: come to see y'all. We've been playing this for a 45 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 1: couple of weeks. I'm trying to go help yourself. You 46 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 1: know you're working in the studio. Yeah, we're up here 47 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 1: and working like as in the studio. I have to 48 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 1: be you know, I'm the music guy. I keep the 49 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:13,640 Speaker 1: artist moving, get a motivation to make the best music. 50 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:16,960 Speaker 1: They can make, so you know, you know when we 51 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 1: first started the company or the artists in Atlanta, so 52 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 1: you know now that they're blowing up here in different places. 53 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 1: So it's up here, you know, Jack maybe in La 54 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 1: you know Set, he's in Paris right now, moving around, 55 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 1: So you know, wherever I can be to help, you know, 56 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 1: af forward to progress, what's going on. 57 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 4: That's what I need to be. I'm gonna go. 58 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 3: As someone that's always in the studio and so much 59 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 3: behind the actual music of these artists. Does it become 60 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:44,800 Speaker 3: difficult that you hate music? No, but I know you 61 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 3: literally don't like any rap they're on earth besides and jay. 62 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:52,800 Speaker 4: Z nah Man that. 63 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 3: Just want to get right to it. 64 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:56,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yah, we're got to dispute that. I like 65 00:02:56,960 --> 00:02:59,520 Speaker 1: a lot of rappers. But in my debates, like we 66 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 1: were having, it's all about music. 67 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:02,360 Speaker 4: To me. 68 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:05,120 Speaker 1: It's nothing about nobody personal life. You notice we never 69 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 1: said nothing person personal, nothing talk about don't taste the rap. 70 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 1: But also you know, as I got older, I learned 71 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 1: that we buy into too much, too much of the 72 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 1: rapper instead of the music. Absolutely, everybody want to argue, 73 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:19,640 Speaker 1: like if I argue about Tupac the first thing. 74 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 4: I was like, well he was real. He shot the police, Like, bro, 75 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 4: I don't how he did it. 76 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:26,960 Speaker 3: When do you think that happened? 77 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:28,880 Speaker 4: When did I think that happened? Yeah? 78 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 3: Like around what era? When do we get so often 79 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 3: who the person was rather than the output of music. 80 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 1: I think that just just as a game in general, 81 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 1: we always bought into, Like you listen to like mob Deep, 82 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 1: the first thing we wanted to do was check to 83 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 1: see if they background was real, you know what I mean. 84 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 1: And it was a Chinese secret about a Chinese ancient 85 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 1: secret about who's writing whose raps. So it was just 86 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 1: like the scroll was always you know what I mean, 87 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 1: And it's like we thought everybody's real. Well Jay really 88 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 1: did that. He became a concern so much, especially with 89 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 1: me in my later years, just being with you know, 90 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 1: my wife or whatever. I was buying into, like Kanye 91 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 1: was doing all this stuff recently, and I was just 92 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 1: like I grew up listening to his music, so I'm 93 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:19,159 Speaker 1: hearing like the college I'm buying too much into him 94 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 1: being college or Jesus walks and stuff like that, and 95 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 1: realizing he a human being and he does things based 96 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: on what he wants to do, So you know, I 97 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 1: had to take myself out of buying into the rapper 98 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:31,159 Speaker 1: too much and just listening to the music for what 99 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 1: it is. 100 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 2: At what point did you realize, like, this is what 101 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:36,279 Speaker 2: you wanted to do forever, like you wanted to be 102 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 2: involved with music, with artists, with some part of the 103 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 2: culture in some form of fashion. Like when did they 104 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 2: hit you, like, yo, I really this is what I 105 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 2: want to do. 106 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 1: To be completely honest, it never hit me, you know 107 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I was doing this since I was young, 108 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 1: and so it was more like brushing my teeth. I 109 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:54,480 Speaker 1: think that as you get older, you understand what you're doing. 110 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:57,280 Speaker 1: Then you get into the space of like, oh, I 111 00:04:57,320 --> 00:04:59,039 Speaker 1: really want to do this, Like, you know, I was 112 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 1: doing stuff, but I never thought about when I was 113 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:03,119 Speaker 1: eleven twelve years old making money. 114 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:04,800 Speaker 4: I just was mimicking DJ Premier. 115 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 1: I was rapping, trying to be doctor Drean Snoop, like 116 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 1: I really, you know what I'm saying. And then you know, 117 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 1: you get to high school, things start getting thriller for you, 118 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. You can start getting a 119 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 1: certain amount of attention. Do you get to college and 120 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 1: it's like, oh, now I got to pick a profession. 121 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:21,360 Speaker 4: What am I gonna do business management? I'm gonna do architects. 122 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 1: So then you just start jumping in I'm gonna be 123 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 1: a musician, you know what I mean, And things start 124 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 1: to counsel out, like, you know, obviously I wanted to 125 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:32,039 Speaker 1: play basketball. I knew that basketball was over, especially Kobe. 126 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 1: Like when I would play at Saint Jose, he would 127 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 1: be over there playing at Saint Joe's and I just 128 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:38,719 Speaker 1: watch him leave some of the games and go shoot 129 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 1: a thousand jump shots in the gym by itself, and you. 130 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:43,720 Speaker 4: Know, I was in there. 131 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:46,040 Speaker 1: I remember just being in the stands watching him do it. 132 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:49,280 Speaker 1: And mind you, the city wasn't really big on him 133 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 1: at first, and it's like all. 134 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:51,480 Speaker 4: About Donnie Carr. 135 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 1: It was all about Arthur Davis and these guys like 136 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:58,279 Speaker 1: Naivemn Crenshaw. So seeing that I felt like he was 137 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:00,840 Speaker 1: trying to outwork everybody, and just seeing him in that 138 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 1: gym shooting them thousand shots. And now I'll pull up 139 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:04,720 Speaker 1: the school every day and he'd be out there. I'm 140 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:07,479 Speaker 1: like watching it, like, man, I don't got that, you 141 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 1: know what I mean. 142 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 2: Get this is the three anniversary. I think Kobe's passing too. 143 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, today, today's universary to the mom. 144 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 3: Rest with what when did that change in Philly? Just 145 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:21,680 Speaker 3: like the energy around Kobe as a high schooler. 146 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:25,279 Speaker 1: I think in the in the last year of high school, 147 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:29,280 Speaker 1: which was like ninety six, but throughout since Sunny Hill 148 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 1: League since the youngest I played in there, since I 149 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:35,720 Speaker 1: was like probably ten eleven, and I think that uh, 150 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 1: him being not as big as those other players, they 151 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 1: were focused on the City League players, so you know, 152 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:45,280 Speaker 1: he was on the outside of the City League, but 153 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:48,160 Speaker 1: he was terrorizing. People didn't respect it because we don't 154 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 1: respect that coming to the city, especially when the Yeah, 155 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:54,400 Speaker 1: you look at some of old Kobe interviews and they 156 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:56,679 Speaker 1: asked him some real questions like who is the best defender. 157 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:59,919 Speaker 1: He could have said anybody, He could have said McGrady, 158 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 1: He said Donny Carr, which is school So it was like, 159 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. It was like, why you 160 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 1: say that. That was the trying time for him where 161 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 1: he was trying to get through. But I think like 162 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 1: when we started seeing him in the top ten All 163 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 1: American and doing those things, it was just like, okay, Kobe, 164 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 1: But again, Philly's a tough city. 165 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 4: Everybody's like, I'm the man, you know what I mean. 166 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 1: So I think that he got to a space where 167 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 1: when he was in that All American game and it 168 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 1: was doing like all that, it was like, Okay, now 169 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 1: we see what's going on. 170 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 2: And then you knew he was like, no, I'm not 171 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 2: I'm gonna put this basketball down. 172 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 4: I've been putting. I've been put it down. 173 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 1: I think one of my last games was the college league. 174 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 1: I came home for the summer from college and they 175 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 1: was short one player, so I had to play in 176 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 1: the game. And I'll be in the college league. Yeah, bro, 177 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 1: there's people from Temple, these guys balling. 178 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 4: Yeah in the game, I can't. I can't guard nobody, 179 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 4: you know what I mean. 180 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 1: Some Ith'm like, bro, it's over. And I went to 181 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 1: Clark team. I couldn't, you know, it was none of that. 182 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 3: Did you ever run into Kobe like later on, because 183 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 3: obviously Kobe was in the hip hop too, and you 184 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 3: guys at that point was coming up at the same time, 185 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 3: one in hip hop, one in the NBA. 186 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, I did. One time in the summer, there was 187 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 4: a summer league in Vegas. 188 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 1: I think I was DJing out there and uh, this 189 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 1: is when I used to be heavy in the stores 190 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 1: and Caesar Palace and I wind up running. 191 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 4: It Tom and I was like, yo, yeah, he was 192 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 4: like yeah. I was like, what's up. He was like yeah, man, 193 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 4: He's like, you're doing your thing, man, keep doing your thing. 194 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 4: I was like, oh, okay, I didn't think you. 195 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 2: Know, he was so for sure. 196 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 3: You know, so I did see him you bring up 197 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 3: that you thought maybe you were a better defender and 198 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 3: he should have broke. 199 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:35,960 Speaker 4: I should have I should have. 200 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:41,080 Speaker 2: You remember when I, yeah, I got you, I finished 201 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 2: at the rim. 202 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, that was the only time. We never exchanged any 203 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 1: numbers and nothing like that. It's just you know, he 204 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:46,560 Speaker 1: was in passing. 205 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:48,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, he was chilling. I think. 206 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 1: I think that was like almost one of the first 207 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:52,840 Speaker 1: times where they was doing the Summer League in Vegas. 208 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:57,199 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, So you put the basketball down and you 209 00:08:57,520 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 2: focus more on your music and wanting to get into music. 210 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:05,679 Speaker 2: At what point did it become like, Okay, I got 211 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 2: to lock in on this. I want to either DJ, 212 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 2: I want to you know, get with an artist and produced, Like, 213 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 2: how do you how do you make that decision? Is 214 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:15,200 Speaker 2: it just something you just like let just happen and 215 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:15,840 Speaker 2: fall into. 216 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:19,840 Speaker 1: Your lab or I think the I think the universe 217 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 1: made it fall in my lap. 218 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 4: Honestly. 219 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:23,960 Speaker 1: It used to be when I was doing parties that 220 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 1: you know, I start out in the dorm right and Clark, 221 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:33,320 Speaker 1: and they had a basketball gym outside outside court, and 222 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:36,080 Speaker 1: I used to put the speaker in the window and 223 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:38,840 Speaker 1: just play jams for the game, waiting for my time 224 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 1: to play a game. So when it was time for 225 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 1: me to call, it be like oh, and then I 226 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:44,200 Speaker 1: come down playing a game. But if I lost, had 227 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:46,959 Speaker 1: to wait six games or whatever. I jump back up 228 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:50,080 Speaker 1: the dorm room right beside. It was the women's dorm, 229 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 1: and they used to sit out, you know what I 230 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 1: mean out there, So I would just be playing jams 231 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:56,959 Speaker 1: and stuff. And sometimes I was sneaking a beat to 232 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 1: see if they was messing away it during the you 233 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:00,240 Speaker 1: know what I mean. It was just stuff if I 234 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 1: was doing in the dorm room. That led to some 235 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 1: of the biggest promoters. They always came to the school 236 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:09,440 Speaker 1: because it was four schools, and you know, they was like, yo, 237 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 1: we heard you DJ, and we like, yo, you should 238 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 1: come do chili pepper, you should come. 239 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:14,679 Speaker 4: Do you know esos young? 240 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:17,320 Speaker 1: You know the early part opened up for some and 241 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:20,559 Speaker 1: I started doing these these clubs and I started getting recognized. 242 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:22,719 Speaker 1: They was coming to the cafeteria. I was DJing a 243 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 1: the cafeteria. I started all the cafeteria fights. By the way, 244 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:29,439 Speaker 1: okay to the club up. That's I let everybody eat. 245 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 1: I played the club up, dessert time cakes everywhere. 246 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:33,320 Speaker 4: Yeah. 247 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:35,560 Speaker 3: So so was it like a bit of a culture 248 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:38,560 Speaker 3: shock coming up from Philly down to Atlanta and even 249 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:41,200 Speaker 3: having at DJ too, like trying to maneuver through parties 250 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 3: like I only know Northeast ship at that time. 251 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:46,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was definitely a culture shot because when I 252 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 1: came down there, I'm walking through the campus and you're 253 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:51,839 Speaker 1: seeing people coming through and old schools and stuff and 254 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 1: they hanging out the window and they's staring at you, 255 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 1: and Philly that meant it was going down there. It 256 00:10:57,559 --> 00:11:01,200 Speaker 1: was like it was like almost like you know, just love. 257 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 1: They were showing love. So once I learned to like 258 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 1: get over some of the stuff was going on, like 259 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 1: even the southern comfort of people saying Yo, what's up, 260 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:09,839 Speaker 1: I'm like, what's up? 261 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 4: What you mean? 262 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:14,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's different, Like I've never been nowhere where I 263 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 1: connected with people just based on walking down the street 264 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 1: and people like, yo, what you do you cool this 265 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 1: exchange man or whatever, like in Philly, that don't happen 266 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 1: you walk in the store. 267 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 4: You got to tell them what you was. I'm going 268 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 4: to help you, right, you know what I'm saying. 269 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 1: So it was definitely a culture shock, especially with the 270 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 1: music because I got down there and they was like, bro, listen, 271 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 1: we got a different vibe, you know what I'm saying 272 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 1: down here. Like when I when I first got down there, 273 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 1: I thought it was going to be Booty shaped. When 274 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 1: I got down there was Master p and and past 275 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 1: de Troy, you know what I mean. So that was 276 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 1: like no more playing GA was like one of the 277 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 1: first things. 278 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 4: I'm like, damn, it's crazy down here. 279 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 2: You know. 280 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 4: I thought it was going to be Time after Time 281 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:55,840 Speaker 4: and ghost Town DJ. Yeah. 282 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:58,319 Speaker 1: So I ain't really you know, I ain't really stunn 283 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 1: it too much, but I learned, you know, and adapted 284 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:01,680 Speaker 1: to they sound. 285 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 4: You know. 286 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 2: So you met dram yep, and then y'all decided that 287 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 2: we're really gonna do this music thing because obviously y'all 288 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 2: are close friends, family, and the imprint and the impact 289 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 2: that you have on the game. Now the artists that 290 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 2: y'all working with. Now, let's go to the beginning. The 291 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 2: first artist where you was like, all right, this is 292 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 2: like a real deal. This is taking off, Like we're 293 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:26,319 Speaker 2: really about to make some noise in this game. Who 294 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 2: was the first artist for you where you knew like, 295 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 2: all right, we're really about to be respecting on a 296 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 2: different level now. 297 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:36,320 Speaker 1: For the Company's stamdpeck or for the company aspect or 298 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:42,199 Speaker 1: the mixtape mixtape. So I went to school with Willy 299 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 1: the Kid, I don't yeah, right, I went to school 300 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:46,079 Speaker 1: with Willy the Kid and this kid named Detroit Red, 301 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:48,320 Speaker 1: And those are the first guys I was working with 302 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 1: after you know, a couple dorm room stints with my freshman. 303 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 4: Class. 304 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 1: But they were the first people I felt like I 305 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 1: couldn't explain what it was. But it's what the future 306 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:06,960 Speaker 1: now calls j Cole or they called Kendrin Lamar. That's 307 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:09,840 Speaker 1: what I saw in them, guys. So first, it was 308 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:12,199 Speaker 1: just so far. It was so far deep into hip hop. 309 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:15,080 Speaker 1: I don't think a lot of people understood and where 310 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 1: I was carrying it was like it was a little 311 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:19,720 Speaker 1: bit of underground and commercial in it, Like it still 312 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 1: felt like it didn't feel too ingers around, you know what. 313 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 3: I'm saying, What was commercial at that time? 314 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:30,200 Speaker 1: What was commercial? Like ninety nine, what was up playing 315 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 1: the club? Maybe wait a minute, ray j you know, 316 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 1: jump off, Yeah, you know all that stuff. I think 317 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 1: Loud was coming towards end, but they still have records out. 318 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:44,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, those type of joints. 319 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 1: You're just playing a lot of you know, and you know, 320 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 1: being there, we had these parties called the Lake Text Party. 321 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 1: It was like Louisiana, Texas, and it was versus New York. 322 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:54,720 Speaker 1: The New York had the other room. It was Tri 323 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 1: state actually, so we were like honorable mentioned for Philly 324 00:13:57,800 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 1: to be in a Tri state at that time. And like, 325 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:04,080 Speaker 1: you know, the song selection was so different for us 326 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 1: because we'd be playing Benjamin's and all that. Yeah, and 327 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:10,080 Speaker 1: the Louisiana Texas people would not come past the threshold 328 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 1: to listen to any of. 329 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:11,559 Speaker 4: That, you know what. 330 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:14,959 Speaker 1: We would go over there because I'm like trying to 331 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 1: hear the bounce, like, oh, they're playing like you know, 332 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 1: break it off, yeah, you know, you know, stuff like that. 333 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 4: So I'm just it was a different space. 334 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 1: So bringing them up, it was just hard to break 335 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 1: them in no spaces, So I just kept an underground. 336 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 4: We did tapes, We moved around, which led. 337 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 1: To us them doing, you know, doing some songs on 338 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 1: the mixtapes me and Dron were doing, which led the 339 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 1: generation now like two thousand and three where we had 340 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 1: like j Mills, Kanye and them guys on it. So 341 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 1: they were the initial first artist that I was rocking with. 342 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 1: It wasn't something part of what me and Drown built 343 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 1: and trends that are built with the affiliates, but it 344 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 1: was basically like Cannon music. He got his own little 345 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 1: thing going, you know what I mean, and you know, 346 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 1: after a while, they just you know, it was like yo, 347 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 1: I like, will he dope? 348 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 4: And then we moved into that. But that was our 349 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 4: first artist, Okay. 350 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 3: Was there a natural progression in the duo with you 351 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 3: and Drama as far as like, all right, Drama, you're 352 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 3: gonna be the more the face talking on mixtapes, being 353 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 3: the brand more or less? Did your personality naturally just 354 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 3: want you to just kind of play the background on 355 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 3: the producer DJ type role. 356 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 1: Not naturally, because I was a little I was popular, 357 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, because I was doing these clubs. 358 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 1: Like I always tell the stories about how I did, 359 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 1: Like I was doing shacks parties I was doing I 360 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:40,640 Speaker 1: was DJing Whitney Houston Birthday party and you know ag 361 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 1: you know, Alex Gideywin was like the biggest promoter and 362 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 1: he had a guy named Biddy which was Cloud nine, 363 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 1: and me being the youngest in charge, I got a 364 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 1: chance to do all those parties. Like any big party 365 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 1: I was going, I'm like even if it was opening up. 366 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 1: It was times where they had club visions where you 367 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:01,040 Speaker 1: hear about the notories being parties. 368 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 4: And question and I was doing so many of the parties. 369 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 1: And they had a room called the Glassroom, which really 370 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 1: made I really made my name on another level. It 371 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 1: was like the Glassroom was off to the left and 372 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 1: it just was people just wanted to chill and just 373 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 1: be away from the main crowd. And I would just 374 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 1: be in my bag, just playing like you know, b 375 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 1: side cuts, just joints, like you know what I'm saying, 376 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 1: and being in that room, people started coming and check like, 377 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 1: oh yeah, we want to be in the room. 378 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:33,000 Speaker 4: Then that room started getting two crowded, you know, and 379 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 4: they started like. 380 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 1: Yo, you're killing the Glassroom. We want to put you 381 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 1: in the main room and do this. Sometimes I closed 382 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 1: on the main room, sometimes I didn't, So. 383 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, gotcha. 384 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 3: Well, I mean, speaking of BMF, I was going to 385 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 3: bring that up since you were talking about parties and 386 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 3: Atlanta at that time, what was club culture like because 387 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 3: I was this BMF show. I mean, if you're into 388 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 3: hip hop, you already knew about BMF to some degree, 389 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 3: but I think the Stars Show has definitely put them you. 390 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 3: Was actually different, different light, and I feel like it's 391 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:04,720 Speaker 3: a bunch of people. Now you're just seeing interviews like, yeah, 392 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:06,960 Speaker 3: I was in Atlanta one weekend and yeah, and now 393 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:09,880 Speaker 3: they're telling the BMF story on some of these YouTube platforms. 394 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 3: Were like, all right, so we went to one party 395 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 3: and he's telling the whole big meat story. What was 396 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 3: Atlanta really like with parties, club everything BMF related? 397 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 4: Party wise, it was incredible because it was love. 398 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:24,440 Speaker 1: Like we get we get so much flak in Atlanta 399 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:28,159 Speaker 1: about what BMF was, But what I remember it was 400 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:32,680 Speaker 1: it was love. Like when I met Meech, he was 401 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:35,159 Speaker 1: alway shown love y'all, love what you're doing, bro. I 402 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 1: love everything that's going on. A lot of the team 403 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 1: and a lot of people was there. They was coming to 404 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:41,800 Speaker 1: the clubs, it was just everybody got a bottle. If 405 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:45,359 Speaker 1: I was DJing, I ain't expect to get mo ed bottle. 406 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 1: I was killing the party. That was going crazy, and 407 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:50,960 Speaker 1: I was young, so it was like that type of. 408 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 4: That type of thing. 409 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:54,679 Speaker 1: They just came to the parties and it was just 410 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:56,720 Speaker 1: like they was there and it was just it was fun. 411 00:17:56,800 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 4: Bro, it was fun. 412 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 1: A lot of superstars came down there, come to those parties, 413 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 1: and it was just dope. I never got a chance 414 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 1: that there was always the notorious party that they had, 415 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 1: like the live animals and stuff like that. I didn't 416 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:12,199 Speaker 1: get to do those parties because I think that they 417 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:14,640 Speaker 1: had their own DJ or whatever. Yeah, but like anything 418 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 1: they had to do with like Visions or those clubs 419 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:19,560 Speaker 1: where they came to was I was killing it, and 420 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 1: you know, I was trying to make a name, so 421 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 1: I was just trying to go as hard as I 422 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:26,439 Speaker 1: could with the music just to get people hype. I 423 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:29,160 Speaker 1: just remember them just being always showing love, like yo, 424 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:30,919 Speaker 1: you're dope. I mean, if you look in at the 425 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:33,159 Speaker 1: documentary now, I'm sure that they've been passing around like 426 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:35,920 Speaker 1: they got a little clip of me dj. I don't 427 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:39,680 Speaker 1: know if I was like opening up or closing. But yeah, 428 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:42,240 Speaker 1: it was just it was fired and that era was great. 429 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:44,919 Speaker 3: What was the mixtape connection like with those parties? And 430 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 3: I mean, obviously Gez was bubbling at that time with 431 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:51,240 Speaker 3: a connection in BMF. How were mixtapes tied into those parties? 432 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:54,359 Speaker 3: We should actually being broke from mixtapes at parties in 433 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:56,800 Speaker 3: Atlanta at that time or is it still like if 434 00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 3: it's not mainstream, it's not going to be played at 435 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 3: a club unless it's Gez with me. 436 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:05,359 Speaker 1: If if I had to go there, I would say that. Man, Well, 437 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:08,359 Speaker 1: at that time, Drama wasn't really doing clubs. It was 438 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 1: just he was torn. He was on mixtapes. I was 439 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 1: in the club, trend Set or the other partner. He 440 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:14,600 Speaker 1: was in the club. 441 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:17,720 Speaker 4: I was playing stuff off the mixtape because I knew 442 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:18,159 Speaker 4: they knew it. 443 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I knew the crowd knew, like you. 444 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 1: Could play something off of t I Down with the 445 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:25,159 Speaker 1: King or uh Trapp or died because they knew it, 446 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:27,160 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So I would do that 447 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:29,480 Speaker 1: like and that would be like that one and be like, oh, 448 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 1: like I stopped the crowd and just play I'm back 449 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:34,960 Speaker 1: mister Magic City and then whole crowd like I can't 450 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 1: believe he played this. 451 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:38,679 Speaker 4: Yeah, I made my name breaking those records running. 452 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:40,000 Speaker 1: It back like who hold, hold hold, you know where 453 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:42,680 Speaker 1: y'all at right now, and I'm playing that joint, you 454 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:44,680 Speaker 1: know what I mean? So I think I was one 455 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 1: of the people that that did that started that with 456 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:51,160 Speaker 1: the mixtape part. 457 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 2: You know, is that how so the just the whole 458 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:57,760 Speaker 2: gezy situation because you did some of my favorite joints 459 00:19:57,760 --> 00:20:03,400 Speaker 2: on the album Circulate Go Crazy. Yeah, that relationship from 460 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 2: being in the club. Is that how that was able 461 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 2: to happen for you to produce those records? 462 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 1: No? 463 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:11,919 Speaker 4: Actually, when I stayed in I was staying in the dorm. 464 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 1: Uh, and I was I got kicked out of school, 465 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:16,800 Speaker 1: but people loved me so much they thought I was 466 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 1: in schools. I actually had a room at one of 467 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 1: the joints for like a half a semester, and then 468 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 1: I got kicked out the second semester. He used to 469 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:27,199 Speaker 1: ride by and come see some peoples up there at 470 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 1: the dorm, and a couple of times he just was 471 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:31,240 Speaker 1: like he heard, you know, I had some beats or 472 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:31,680 Speaker 1: whatever he. 473 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:33,119 Speaker 4: Saw, like, yo, I want some beats. 474 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:38,040 Speaker 1: But it never happened, and I think a couple of 475 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 1: times after that, Coach K came around and was working 476 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 1: with me and Drom. He was like one of our 477 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:49,360 Speaker 1: early like motivators going with the mixtapes because it would 478 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:51,680 Speaker 1: help us, you know, get the artists that we need. 479 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:52,120 Speaker 4: Sometimes. 480 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 1: He had a group called Jadis and and we were 481 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 1: just you know, we were working with him. 482 00:20:57,880 --> 00:20:58,400 Speaker 4: He was close. 483 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:00,479 Speaker 1: I think he might have managed just a couple for 484 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:04,760 Speaker 1: a short time or just helped us, you know. And 485 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:08,200 Speaker 1: he brought it to Drama Yo. That got the street 486 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 1: cat he thrope Bro and that's how it happened. We 487 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 1: met him before that, but then going to the club 488 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 1: and we just had that synergy. I just continued to 489 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 1: play those records and kind of built them up through 490 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:19,280 Speaker 1: you know, the club. 491 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:22,719 Speaker 3: Do you remember any of them, like the TM one 492 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:25,160 Speaker 3: on one sessions and the Trapper Die sessions with Gez. 493 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:27,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember all of them. Yeah, so I'll stick out. 494 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:32,240 Speaker 1: I'll tell you. Streets Is Watching was the first joint 495 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 1: that was in my apartment. I used to live in 496 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:36,639 Speaker 1: chester Bridge. He came through and did you know the 497 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:41,679 Speaker 1: joining apartment. Second one was Trapper Died, which was also 498 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:43,600 Speaker 1: we did our part in my apartment, you know what 499 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:43,920 Speaker 1: I mean. 500 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:44,640 Speaker 2: He came through. 501 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:49,520 Speaker 1: Listen to it, and I just know he started to 502 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 1: gain my trust in basically me helping certain pieces that 503 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 1: his engineering didn't do. Like it was some parts where 504 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:03,480 Speaker 1: they left some breaths in some certain spots. I would 505 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 1: take some breaths out or just add like I was 506 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:09,200 Speaker 1: all about intricate little pieces, you know what I'm saying. 507 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 1: So I think he saw that and then we just bonded. 508 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:14,959 Speaker 1: I always tell a story about how Go Crazy happened. 509 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:17,679 Speaker 1: It was on t I's mixtape first as a freestyle, 510 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 1: and at Jez's party, I played it at the end 511 00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:22,720 Speaker 1: when the lights came on. I played like eight nine 512 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:24,479 Speaker 1: times and he stepped to me, like, Yo, what's up 513 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:26,680 Speaker 1: with that beat? I was like, you can have it, 514 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 1: just freestyle on it, and that was the start of 515 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:30,480 Speaker 1: the relationship. 516 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:33,159 Speaker 4: Really. He starts saying, Yo, come through patchwork, you know 517 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:35,040 Speaker 4: what I mean, come check me out. And I used 518 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:38,360 Speaker 4: to just go pop up, pop up. You know. 519 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 1: My my path was a little interesting because everybody was 520 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:43,920 Speaker 1: using the NPC at the time, and anybody out there 521 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:46,359 Speaker 1: is watching and knowing that the NPC locked up with 522 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:48,960 Speaker 1: pro tow so well, but I used the ASR and 523 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 1: it would not lock up, so I'll be there, you know, 524 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:53,920 Speaker 1: looking like the amateur trying to get stuff to lock 525 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:55,439 Speaker 1: up with the engineer and it. 526 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 4: You know, when I talked about. 527 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:01,240 Speaker 1: It, it was based on what that machine did. But 528 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:02,920 Speaker 1: now that I look at it, it was like that 529 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 1: enabled me to stay there longer because the process were longer, 530 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 1: so I was able to be a part of other 531 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:11,080 Speaker 1: things that was going on. Let me add to that beat, 532 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:13,160 Speaker 1: or let me help you with this, you know whatever 533 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:15,399 Speaker 1: it was. So now that I look at it, it was like, oh, 534 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 1: that was supposed to happen for me to be around longer, 535 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:20,440 Speaker 1: you know, in a session. 536 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 3: And not to get too nerdy with the ASR. At 537 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:25,240 Speaker 3: that time with Atlanta Music, I feel like was unheard 538 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:28,200 Speaker 3: of outside of like Dungeon Family. Stuff was in a ASR. 539 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it was an ASR. In the NPC, 540 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,560 Speaker 1: they would lock it up so it could, you know, yeah, 541 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:35,640 Speaker 1: be what it is. But I didn't have that ability. 542 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:36,480 Speaker 1: I had an NPC. 543 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 2: That's so interesting though, like just that part of the story, 544 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 2: like because you're using a machine, it causes you to 545 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:45,960 Speaker 2: be in the studio longer, stay around longer, and now 546 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:50,120 Speaker 2: it falls into other songs and producing and things like that. 547 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:55,720 Speaker 2: The game now where it's at today, how much of 548 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,679 Speaker 2: your journey do you remember from the beginning where you 549 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:02,359 Speaker 2: see young cats now and you like everything happens for 550 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 2: a reason, take your time, slow down, like it's all 551 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 2: part of it. Because a lot of dudes these days, 552 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,639 Speaker 2: everybody's in the rush to blow and and have their 553 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,560 Speaker 2: record out and things like that. But things like that 554 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:16,040 Speaker 2: is what makes the journey on the on the back 555 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:19,560 Speaker 2: end worth is like thousand percent using ASR. You know, 556 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 2: now I got to be here longer because it doesn't 557 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 2: line up with the pro tools. And but now for 558 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:27,840 Speaker 2: me being here, we fall into another record. A lot 559 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:29,840 Speaker 2: of cats these days, everybody's. 560 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 4: In a hurry. 561 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 2: Everybody want to get their song streaming, everybody want to 562 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:34,600 Speaker 2: be on tour, and it's like, bro, you just laid 563 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 2: your first record last night. Slow down. So the generation now, 564 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:41,399 Speaker 2: because I do think that, you know, the younger cats, 565 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:44,400 Speaker 2: they have things that we didn't really have as far 566 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 2: as like technology and social media is different ways to 567 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:50,760 Speaker 2: access of people all around the world, which I think 568 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 2: is a great thing if you utilize it the right way. 569 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:56,159 Speaker 2: But how much would you tell the younger guys to 570 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:59,600 Speaker 2: like be patient and just you know, relax and take 571 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:02,360 Speaker 2: your time with the craft because there is a beauty 572 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 2: in you know, taking your time with your skill instead 573 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:07,720 Speaker 2: of trying to hurry up and just become the next 574 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:08,120 Speaker 2: big thing. 575 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:12,439 Speaker 1: It's a fifty to fifty for me because you know 576 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:16,840 Speaker 1: now that I've been speaking a little bit more about 577 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:21,439 Speaker 1: we being on borrow time, Yeah, I would like to people. 578 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 1: I would like for people to dedicate theirself fully into 579 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:28,520 Speaker 1: their craft while they have the time. And taking the 580 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:31,360 Speaker 1: time is almost a bad word sometimes because we look 581 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 1: up and so much stuff is happening now. People are 582 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:37,120 Speaker 1: getting killed, people are dying natural death, people are going away, 583 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 1: people are losing things. So I want them to be 584 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:44,800 Speaker 1: as precious with their craft as possible. And that's how 585 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:49,280 Speaker 1: I explain time. But I really want people not to rush, 586 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:53,439 Speaker 1: but just know that, hey man, focus, Some people focus 587 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:58,400 Speaker 1: on everything else and miss the mark and then time happens, 588 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:02,679 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, So people to actually just 589 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 1: dedicate most of the time. For me, growing up, I 590 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 1: had some issues with people telling me I weren't gonna 591 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:13,480 Speaker 1: make it, you know, when I was in high school, 592 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:14,400 Speaker 1: they were like, yeah, man. 593 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:17,080 Speaker 4: Go to the army. You know what I mean, you 594 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:18,720 Speaker 4: ain't gonna be No, You're gonna be dead in jail. 595 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:20,959 Speaker 1: And it's like when I hear other rappers say that 596 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:23,800 Speaker 1: from the nineties, like I relate. 597 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:25,240 Speaker 4: People think it's a myth. 598 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:28,800 Speaker 1: Like we literally go to school and our counselors and 599 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 1: teachers was like college going to college, musician, stop it. 600 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:39,040 Speaker 1: What's a dream? Even our parents and our family members, 601 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:39,639 Speaker 1: what's a dream? 602 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:41,720 Speaker 4: Go get a job. You see what I'm saying. 603 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,560 Speaker 1: And I feel like I had a problem with that, 604 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,959 Speaker 1: so I will stay focused on my goal. Twenty four 605 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:49,440 Speaker 1: to seven, people were like, Yo, let's go to movies, 606 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:51,640 Speaker 1: let's go drink, let's go hang out. No, I want 607 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,359 Speaker 1: to focus. I was just always focused. I never had 608 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,199 Speaker 1: time to do none of the extras when I was 609 00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 1: doing it. So I feel like some of the youngins 610 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:01,200 Speaker 1: need to do that. And I was talking about being 611 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:02,679 Speaker 1: in Philly and I spoke to his young and he 612 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,080 Speaker 1: was seventeen. He was like, yo, everybody telling me I 613 00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:07,200 Speaker 1: got enough time, relax and all that, and I just 614 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 1: told him, Bro, you don't, you don't. 615 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 4: You don't borrow time right now. And I'm in a 616 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:12,680 Speaker 4: race against time. 617 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:16,120 Speaker 1: I'm trying to create as much history and as much 618 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:18,960 Speaker 1: family engagement as I can. 619 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:21,520 Speaker 4: You know, before you know, time is up. 620 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:26,360 Speaker 3: How have those conversations going with I mean because again 621 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,359 Speaker 3: with the j Z's tis you guys were all around 622 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:30,439 Speaker 3: the same age, you were coming up, growing up together 623 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:31,520 Speaker 3: more or less in your twenties. 624 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:31,879 Speaker 4: Yep. 625 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,480 Speaker 3: How have those conversations been with Uzi and Jack as 626 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,359 Speaker 3: far as time or just anyone on the generation now 627 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 3: in this era? 628 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:42,480 Speaker 1: With Uzi, he always fights against Tom if he knows 629 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,600 Speaker 1: he's doing I always mentioned he's doing seven hundred songs 630 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:49,359 Speaker 1: a year or in eighteen months, however you want to 631 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:51,359 Speaker 1: put it. I'll give you a gauge. I may be 632 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:54,720 Speaker 1: exaggerating saying twelve months. I make it eighteen months, right, Yeah, 633 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,840 Speaker 1: to see in my computer, I had five hundred and 634 00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 1: sixty songs new and probably seven hundred old songs. Yeah, 635 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,359 Speaker 1: you know, to the to the scammers and fans out there, 636 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:11,200 Speaker 1: Hey don't try to hack my ship, but just just. 637 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 4: For you know, general purposes. That right there lets me know. 638 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:21,199 Speaker 1: That he's he knows what he gets this. You know, 639 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 1: he knows what time it is. Jack is a little 640 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:30,400 Speaker 1: bit more methodical. He he thinks about everything, everything strategic. 641 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:32,880 Speaker 1: He does certain things. He has stuff on his hard 642 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 1: drive that he doesn't bounce. I will not get a 643 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 1: copy of. Yeah, and you know some of them, So 644 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:40,880 Speaker 1: I see, I see two sides of it with them. 645 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,960 Speaker 1: I see one person that's like rapidly doing stuff but 646 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 1: very strategic. And then you know, I see another guy 647 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:51,360 Speaker 1: that takes his time, very strategic and you know, and 648 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,720 Speaker 1: does the things you know, in a in a great space. 649 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,440 Speaker 2: Do you think that comes from them just being different culturally? 650 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:00,440 Speaker 1: I feel like it could be that, But I also 651 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:06,840 Speaker 1: feel like there's different goal thought process, you know what 652 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like like UZI will go black for a 653 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,240 Speaker 1: year and just work or just not drop for two years, 654 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 1: because he's trying to work on things he's going through. 655 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:20,120 Speaker 1: He wants to touch each piece. So like he may 656 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:23,520 Speaker 1: go through a goth stage, he may go through a 657 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:25,800 Speaker 1: rock stage, he may go through a real rap stage. 658 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,640 Speaker 1: These stages are building him as an artist. So you 659 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,000 Speaker 1: have to have it has to have a you know, 660 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,520 Speaker 1: the you can't put a timeline on it. That's a 661 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:35,840 Speaker 1: time limit, you know what I mean? 662 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:41,400 Speaker 3: Well, even the most question there like two drastically different artists, 663 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:45,000 Speaker 3: but two great representations of new hip hop in a 664 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:48,240 Speaker 3: completely different way. Where does that ear even fall? That 665 00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 3: you could see a young UZI and be like that 666 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,320 Speaker 3: makes sense now, and see Jack and say that makes 667 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:54,920 Speaker 3: sense now? Because I think a lot of labels, for 668 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,360 Speaker 3: the most part, have artists that are very similar in 669 00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:00,320 Speaker 3: sound and it works because that's where they bring works 670 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,800 Speaker 3: like we're gonna get a bunch of Oozies or do 671 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,040 Speaker 3: our best to or we're gonna get a bunch of Jackson, 672 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:05,880 Speaker 3: do our best to do that? 673 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:06,239 Speaker 4: Right? 674 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,240 Speaker 3: Those are the separation with generation now that you could 675 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:10,600 Speaker 3: have two totally different artists. 676 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, well we really jumped into the name of generation now. 677 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:14,880 Speaker 4: Really that's first. 678 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:17,520 Speaker 1: And foremost, second and foremost I'm really, I'm really a 679 00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:20,240 Speaker 1: person of not duplicating the same thing over and over again. 680 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:25,600 Speaker 1: And once we make a big enough stamp with this, 681 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:27,400 Speaker 1: it's time to move on and make it in this 682 00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:31,360 Speaker 1: area because talent comes in different phases and different types 683 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:35,680 Speaker 1: of people. So I wouldn't dare sign another UZI. Yeah, 684 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,320 Speaker 1: there sign another Jack one, Dare sign another SETI or 685 00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:39,080 Speaker 1: Sunny Digital. 686 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:40,360 Speaker 4: Those guys are one on ones. 687 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:43,240 Speaker 1: Uh, we do see in the business where I get 688 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:45,280 Speaker 1: emails all the times like, hey, we're looking for a 689 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:48,080 Speaker 1: song like money Longer, we're looking for a song like 690 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,200 Speaker 1: the First Class. You know how many emails I get 691 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,640 Speaker 1: about that today? Can we get a first class? 692 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:55,880 Speaker 4: Like? Bro? You know? Sure? 693 00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:58,080 Speaker 2: Go cook up on right now? 694 00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:00,240 Speaker 3: Do you think a lot of that comes from in 695 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,560 Speaker 3: your early years moving from Philly to Atlanta? So you 696 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,640 Speaker 3: just have a broader ear than I think most people 697 00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:09,160 Speaker 3: because you know, it took me later in my life 698 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,440 Speaker 3: to even know you and Drama was from Philly. 699 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:11,600 Speaker 4: Yeah. 700 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:13,560 Speaker 3: I mean that in a way like I just assumed 701 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:19,040 Speaker 3: so much of the Atlanta in retrospect now yeah, yeah, yeah, 702 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:20,600 Speaker 3: but I just assumed, you know, it was all the 703 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:24,240 Speaker 3: music that was coming out of Atlanta. I just assume that. Yeah, 704 00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:25,680 Speaker 3: And then to find out y'all was from Philly, I 705 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:27,960 Speaker 3: was like, that makes them even doper to be able 706 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:30,520 Speaker 3: to move to a city like Atlanta and move around 707 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:34,040 Speaker 3: and find that talent and develop that talent to the 708 00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:34,640 Speaker 3: way that you have. 709 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,000 Speaker 1: It's interesting you mentioned that because now that I look 710 00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:39,760 Speaker 1: at it, Yeah, us being from somewhere else, it gives 711 00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:42,560 Speaker 1: us different point of views, like Okay, we could do 712 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:44,240 Speaker 1: this and then change and do this, you know what 713 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,800 Speaker 1: I mean. So that that's interesting that you mentioned. 714 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:49,680 Speaker 2: Being from Philly, y'all pay attention to more lyric lyrical 715 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,640 Speaker 2: ship yes, yes, spits yes. And then moving to the South, 716 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:56,000 Speaker 2: it's more souls. That basis that, you know, even the 717 00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,400 Speaker 2: sound systems and the cars are different in the South. 718 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,880 Speaker 1: Well, that's that's That's one point about the actual label 719 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:07,840 Speaker 1: and self. Everybody that we've picked up have a music 720 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,560 Speaker 1: background to where they really know how to rap, Each 721 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:11,880 Speaker 1: and every one of them that we sign. 722 00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:15,520 Speaker 4: That's the basis. Like UZI came from rap, you know 723 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:15,920 Speaker 4: what I mean. 724 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:17,960 Speaker 3: They still shows it every now and then he'll show 725 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:18,640 Speaker 3: you can still rap. 726 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:18,880 Speaker 4: Yeah. 727 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,440 Speaker 1: They tell the story about how he was in ciphers 728 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,760 Speaker 1: and you know, somebody call him yo, you rap like 729 00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,480 Speaker 1: a Uzzi that came from a cipher, So that's a rap. 730 00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:28,800 Speaker 1: So he understands that, you know, Jack comes from that. 731 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:32,480 Speaker 1: He started thirteen twelve years old being a rapper, you 732 00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:34,840 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So I think that's the that's 733 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:35,760 Speaker 1: what this is. 734 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:37,800 Speaker 2: That's the foundation point, you know what I mean. 735 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,600 Speaker 1: And then we move into whatever stardom comes from that, 736 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:42,680 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? But yeah, that's that's an 737 00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:44,600 Speaker 1: interesting point. But they all come from Rap and I 738 00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:48,000 Speaker 1: think we noticed that from being northern, and we're like, yo, 739 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:52,160 Speaker 1: you have to have that, you have to have that 740 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:54,040 Speaker 1: in order to be anything. So I think that's what 741 00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:55,480 Speaker 1: we look for a first can he Rap? 742 00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:56,000 Speaker 4: Yeah? 743 00:32:56,320 --> 00:33:01,120 Speaker 3: Has the approach been different personality wise? Just dealing with 744 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:04,280 Speaker 3: them kind of into the conversation of time and change 745 00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:08,760 Speaker 3: and dealing with younger people. These kids are are a 746 00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:10,440 Speaker 3: little bit I don't know if it's something in the food. 747 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:14,640 Speaker 3: I don't know, if it's a fentanyl kids, it's fucking crazy, definitely, 748 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:16,000 Speaker 3: Like I don't know, I don't know what. I don't 749 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:17,520 Speaker 3: really know what it is. It could be the steroids 750 00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:21,440 Speaker 3: and the chicken. I have no idea, but myself included, 751 00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:23,200 Speaker 3: I am one of those kids that is just a 752 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:26,520 Speaker 3: little off here and there. What's that been like? Because again, 753 00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:30,600 Speaker 3: going from Atlanta dealing with I think those personalities were 754 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:34,000 Speaker 3: erratic but predictable to some degree. You kind of knew 755 00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:37,320 Speaker 3: how maybe a GZ or someone like Jeezi would react 756 00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:39,920 Speaker 3: to certain conversations, how you would move with him. Yep, 757 00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:42,640 Speaker 3: these kids, I feel like, no matter what, is a 758 00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:45,160 Speaker 3: shot in the dark of how they're going to react 759 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,360 Speaker 3: to anything. What's that been like with even UZI we 760 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:49,840 Speaker 3: don't I don't know him personally, but yeah, going off 761 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:53,000 Speaker 3: what he's even put out there, I'm left I. 762 00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:53,479 Speaker 4: Can say this. 763 00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:58,640 Speaker 1: I could say that creatives have are a constant thinking mind. 764 00:33:58,800 --> 00:33:59,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know what I mean. 765 00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:02,840 Speaker 1: So they're always looking to evolve. You're never going to 766 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:04,920 Speaker 1: stay in the same spot, so there's always going to 767 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:10,080 Speaker 1: be this outlandage feel from somebody. 768 00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:11,239 Speaker 4: Older like me, it's like, why did you do that? 769 00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:13,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, Like you know, I was one of the first 770 00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:17,440 Speaker 1: people when uh just take Loozy for instance, when he 771 00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:20,479 Speaker 1: tatted his face, I was like, Bro, You're never gonna 772 00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:21,520 Speaker 1: be on Jimmy fallon you. 773 00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:24,120 Speaker 4: It just looked at me, like, bro, what are you 774 00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:27,280 Speaker 4: talking about? Yeah? I said, bro, do not tat your forehead. 775 00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:28,120 Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. 776 00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:29,960 Speaker 3: Meanwhile, that helps to get on a foulon though. 777 00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:33,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, Bro, fifty tats later, it's like, you know what 778 00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:36,960 Speaker 1: I mean. So that was something I had to get 779 00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,400 Speaker 1: over and didn't understand. I understand most of it, but 780 00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:42,200 Speaker 1: some of this stuff was like, hey, we're. 781 00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:43,560 Speaker 4: Building, what are you doing? You know? 782 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:48,000 Speaker 1: So you start to see where artists just keep changing, 783 00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:49,640 Speaker 1: involving and we could all. 784 00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:51,240 Speaker 4: Say, hey, all these artists are crazy. 785 00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:54,240 Speaker 1: We can say that, but again, it's the creative thinking 786 00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:57,080 Speaker 1: mind that allows them to move like that. And if 787 00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:59,200 Speaker 1: we don't allow them to move through that, we don't 788 00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:02,760 Speaker 1: get the best possible artists we can get. 789 00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:07,200 Speaker 3: To make you uncomfortable when everything now is on Front 790 00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:09,680 Speaker 3: Street like I mean, I know you guys and Uzy 791 00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,520 Speaker 3: are great now, but there's been tweets and like shit 792 00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:14,239 Speaker 3: that was put out and like we see it with 793 00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:17,640 Speaker 3: Sizza and Punch, and it's just become the business to 794 00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,839 Speaker 3: all your business on Front Street emotion, like the things 795 00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,960 Speaker 3: that maybe you and Drama would have kept internal throughout 796 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:27,399 Speaker 3: the years, people would never know. Now it's like, yeah, 797 00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:30,239 Speaker 3: it's not a rollout per se, but it's part. It 798 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:34,000 Speaker 3: helps being on these sub labels and labels where it's like, 799 00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:36,400 Speaker 3: well let's let's tweet about the owners. 800 00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:38,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I have one goal in mind. And 801 00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:45,080 Speaker 1: it's funny that this is coming up. My reputation had 802 00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:48,319 Speaker 1: been that I was keeping a peace for so much 803 00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:51,080 Speaker 1: with you know, artists, even inside or outside the label, 804 00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:55,440 Speaker 1: and that's not the case. My thing is, I'm so 805 00:35:56,400 --> 00:36:00,319 Speaker 1: in tune with what the actual business of things be 806 00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:04,080 Speaker 1: that I'm focused on, no nonsense. I don't want to 807 00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:07,240 Speaker 1: talk about nothing. I want to do. My end result 808 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,680 Speaker 1: on whatever how I move is to get this to 809 00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:12,719 Speaker 1: be a four hundred million dollar company, because that's the 810 00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:14,840 Speaker 1: business of it, you know what I mean. We're getting 811 00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:20,320 Speaker 1: the history, but anything we're doing, I'm trying to get 812 00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:25,919 Speaker 1: to the best possible history and valuation of the company. 813 00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:30,960 Speaker 1: And when you get involved with the nonsense of it, 814 00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:33,919 Speaker 1: of course you would have something down on your mind 815 00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:36,640 Speaker 1: on the back burner that your reputation as a company 816 00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:40,440 Speaker 1: could go bad, or you represent your reputation as a 817 00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:44,480 Speaker 1: person could go bad. But I feel like when you 818 00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:47,840 Speaker 1: get to a certain space, you're like, hey, I'm not 819 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:51,239 Speaker 1: willing to sacrifice this building that we're on, this we're 820 00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:54,399 Speaker 1: built to a seventy sixth floor, get teared down by 821 00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,520 Speaker 1: what's going on or floating in it in the industry 822 00:36:57,600 --> 00:36:59,919 Speaker 1: or on Twitter. So when I look at it, it's like, hey, 823 00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:04,080 Speaker 1: to react would be like my first reaction because it's 824 00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:07,040 Speaker 1: like my pride is telling me, man, you're not gonna 825 00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:10,279 Speaker 1: play me out like that. But my thought process, like, hey, man, 826 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,680 Speaker 1: built a great business. What am I even trying to 827 00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,640 Speaker 1: like accomplish here by going back and forth with anybody. 828 00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:18,879 Speaker 1: I'm just trying to get to the next level. That's 829 00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:21,480 Speaker 1: all I'm concerned with. I'm not concerned with any rhetoric. 830 00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:25,480 Speaker 1: We were talking about rap early and we were talking about, Yo, 831 00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:26,600 Speaker 1: this person did this in a. 832 00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:29,040 Speaker 4: Personal I don't care. Me and him argue. 833 00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:34,160 Speaker 1: We argue about Michael Jordan and not once did we 834 00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:35,080 Speaker 1: talk about. 835 00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:43,839 Speaker 2: But different man us three. 836 00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,640 Speaker 1: We built a great relationship like that, and you know, 837 00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:50,440 Speaker 1: we know how to stay in a space. But what 838 00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:54,560 Speaker 1: I'm getting at is with Michael Jordan and our conversations, 839 00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:58,440 Speaker 1: we never once went into what Mike was as a person. 840 00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:03,480 Speaker 1: We kept it basketball or whatever he thought basketball terms. 841 00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:05,880 Speaker 1: So I don't want to ever get in Twitter and 842 00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:09,000 Speaker 1: be like, well this person's acting up and get to 843 00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:10,920 Speaker 1: the point of where I got defend myself like I'm 844 00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:15,120 Speaker 1: not going to go to breakfast club and yo, this 845 00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:19,719 Speaker 1: would really happened interview, Like me coming here and was 846 00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:23,239 Speaker 1: a was a brotherhood thing for me, Like even us 847 00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:26,759 Speaker 1: talking about hanging out in the city. It's different from 848 00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,080 Speaker 1: me coming up here than trying to defend that. You 849 00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:30,200 Speaker 1: guys say, only like two. 850 00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:34,480 Speaker 4: Artists that's not me. That's not what I'm here for. 851 00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:38,120 Speaker 3: But I think I think it's changed too with not 852 00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:41,320 Speaker 3: only age, but you went from being the artist, producer, 853 00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:47,000 Speaker 3: DJ yeah, face of that movement. Now you are the leader, elder, 854 00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,960 Speaker 3: and label owner where even if you want to go back, 855 00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:53,319 Speaker 3: let's say one of your artists goes on Twitter and 856 00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:57,560 Speaker 3: just kills your character everything, It's not your job to defend. 857 00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:58,640 Speaker 4: Your cargo thousand percent. 858 00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:04,040 Speaker 3: It's to defend your company, which includes defending that person 859 00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:06,280 Speaker 3: that's now talking about you because they are on your label. 860 00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:09,239 Speaker 3: It becomes completely different, and that's why I guess it 861 00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:11,920 Speaker 3: is weird sometimes when the heads of labels will go 862 00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:14,239 Speaker 3: on and do interviews to defend them something like you're 863 00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:17,520 Speaker 3: not an artist, You're not even protecting your brand. You're 864 00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:22,440 Speaker 3: actually now discrediting part of your BRANDT How does that conversation? 865 00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:24,680 Speaker 4: Who after that? I'm gonna get into that. 866 00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:28,640 Speaker 1: It's sniping your sniping your stocks, Like I'm just gonna 867 00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:29,720 Speaker 1: mess my stock name. 868 00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:31,839 Speaker 2: Up the other artists. I'm not going over there. It's 869 00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:32,759 Speaker 2: a little crazy, YO. 870 00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:33,440 Speaker 4: That hurts. 871 00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:36,160 Speaker 3: What was crazy? Did you guys see the clip that 872 00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:39,920 Speaker 3: leads quote unquote of Scissa backstage at SNL. 873 00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:40,560 Speaker 4: I didn't. 874 00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:43,640 Speaker 3: She was I think in between rehearsals and one of 875 00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,120 Speaker 3: the green rooms and was arguing, like, listen, I did 876 00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:49,000 Speaker 3: my part. I gave you guys the masters, the artwork. 877 00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:51,000 Speaker 3: Everything is done. I'm not waiting anymore. I don't care 878 00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,680 Speaker 3: about holiday. We already had this conversation. This album is 879 00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,319 Speaker 3: coming out, and you know, just naturally with Scissor fans, 880 00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:58,080 Speaker 3: they all go and kill Punch because that's just been 881 00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:01,279 Speaker 3: like the Twitter thing and Punch, I think, replied, and 882 00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:04,359 Speaker 3: don't quote me. He's like, I put that clip out right, like, 883 00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:08,920 Speaker 3: I'm here for Scissa. Her. Maybe shitting on me or 884 00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:12,160 Speaker 3: me looking nuts or whatever, does not matter. My brand 885 00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:15,360 Speaker 3: is her, like TD is Scissa. As long as Scizza 886 00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:18,000 Speaker 3: looks good and Scissor is happy and SISSM makes great music, 887 00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:21,080 Speaker 3: that's all that matters. You get real narcissistic when it's like, well, 888 00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:23,440 Speaker 3: let me go defend Punch. Yeah yeah, it's like no, 889 00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:25,799 Speaker 3: my job is to make sure Scissa gets this out 890 00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:26,680 Speaker 3: the best way possible. 891 00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:29,520 Speaker 1: I'm about to go take a master class with Punch. 892 00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:31,680 Speaker 4: I'm about to take a master class with you, man. 893 00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:35,239 Speaker 3: Oh Punch. When it comes to that Twitter world, and politics. 894 00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:38,680 Speaker 3: He plays that scissor game. He'd be playing those fans 895 00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:39,880 Speaker 3: like you're a piece of shit. He's like, I know 896 00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:42,840 Speaker 3: this is I did this purposely. I made myself the 897 00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:45,480 Speaker 3: bad guy, so Sissa never has to be the bad guys. Wow, 898 00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:47,160 Speaker 3: that's a great way to put you know, Punch is 899 00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:48,680 Speaker 3: a genius when it's come to the cissy. 900 00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:51,120 Speaker 1: That's that's why I'm met with it. I mean, you know, 901 00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:53,600 Speaker 1: anything for our company, our history to grow. Man, we 902 00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:56,719 Speaker 1: put too much stuff in here. And again, you're always 903 00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:57,840 Speaker 1: gonna have family moments. 904 00:40:58,000 --> 00:40:59,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, oh never it is. 905 00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:00,760 Speaker 4: They're always gonna have family moments. 906 00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:02,640 Speaker 3: It's a weird family if it doesn't happen. 907 00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:07,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, So like if everything is like iteddie gritty, like, hey, yeah, 908 00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:09,360 Speaker 1: you're gonna have those moments. But I'm happy that we 909 00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:11,560 Speaker 1: have them, you know, I'm happy that we can fight 910 00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:15,680 Speaker 1: through them for a long time. Again, I would suppress 911 00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:18,799 Speaker 1: things because I would play like the Spider Man and 912 00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:20,680 Speaker 1: try to figure like, you know, trying to figure out 913 00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:22,239 Speaker 1: though I could keep this here and I can make 914 00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:24,879 Speaker 1: this work to protect this. And now it's just kind 915 00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:28,000 Speaker 1: of like, man, I'm forty three years old. I'm able 916 00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,239 Speaker 1: to speak my mind, within taste and just keep you 917 00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:31,799 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying and do what I want. 918 00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:32,560 Speaker 4: It feels better. 919 00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:35,000 Speaker 1: I used to didn't want to feel anything, but I 920 00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:36,520 Speaker 1: didn't want to feel any pain. I don't want to 921 00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:40,320 Speaker 1: feel somebody getting bent out of shape about what's what I'm. 922 00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:41,240 Speaker 4: Saying or how I'm moving. 923 00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,200 Speaker 1: I'm not bent out of shape no more because I'm 924 00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:46,880 Speaker 1: pure and what I'm trying to do has nothing to do. 925 00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:50,000 Speaker 1: Even if it was a tool was used that might 926 00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:52,720 Speaker 1: not fit what you thought I was as a person, 927 00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:54,520 Speaker 1: I used it for the better being. 928 00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:55,520 Speaker 4: So that's what I'm on. 929 00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:58,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, and suppressing all that get you more out of shape? 930 00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,640 Speaker 3: This protect this, like that's what that makes you feel worse. 931 00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:05,560 Speaker 2: I feel like I saw an interview with Rick Rubin 932 00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:09,680 Speaker 2: on sixty Minutes and he said something on there that 933 00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:12,480 Speaker 2: like I really had to stop. Was like, that's it. 934 00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:14,800 Speaker 2: He said, I don't I'm not a music guy. I 935 00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:17,160 Speaker 2: don't know how to play instruments. I don't know anything 936 00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:20,680 Speaker 2: about any of this equipment. He said, I just have 937 00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:27,200 Speaker 2: supreme confidence in my taste. Yeah, And I'm like, damn, 938 00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:29,200 Speaker 2: Like when I have supreme confidence in my taste and 939 00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:31,239 Speaker 2: I don't like something I'm a hater. Yeah, but if 940 00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:33,600 Speaker 2: Rick Rubin doesn't like something, it's like he's this guru. 941 00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:35,560 Speaker 2: It's like, Okay, we gotta go fix it. You, Rick 942 00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:36,160 Speaker 2: is not good. 943 00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:38,640 Speaker 3: Did you see the meme that was going around after that, No, said, 944 00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:41,200 Speaker 3: I see y'all posting that Rick Rubin clip. That taste 945 00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:42,080 Speaker 3: thing doesn't apply to you. 946 00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:45,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's the real thing though. Like as an 947 00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:48,560 Speaker 2: A and R, you you know, when something feels good, 948 00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,720 Speaker 2: you could tell what the climate is in the culture. 949 00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:54,000 Speaker 2: You could tell, you know, it was DJ in the clubs. 950 00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:56,040 Speaker 2: You know how people feel and what type of frequency 951 00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:59,440 Speaker 2: they react to. So you know when you hear something 952 00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:00,719 Speaker 2: that's like, yeah, that's it. 953 00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:01,640 Speaker 4: Yeah. 954 00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:04,239 Speaker 2: So that is a thing like taste and being able 955 00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:08,080 Speaker 2: to identify what's good. Yep, that is a real thing. 956 00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:10,120 Speaker 2: So when Rick Rubin said it, I was like, damn, 957 00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:12,799 Speaker 2: that's so profound, like to just put it like that, 958 00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:15,560 Speaker 2: Like I don't know about any of this equipment stuff, 959 00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:18,200 Speaker 2: right right, but I know when something feels good, when 960 00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:19,960 Speaker 2: it sounds good, and it's like this is it. 961 00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:20,399 Speaker 4: Yeah. 962 00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:23,400 Speaker 1: Most importantly what I took from that too, was again 963 00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:25,719 Speaker 1: going back to our conversation about the creative mind, and 964 00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:31,759 Speaker 1: how it floats. A lot of the creatives may sit 965 00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:34,160 Speaker 1: on two hundred songs and not put something out. Somebody 966 00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:37,399 Speaker 1: has to know how to pull the trigger. Yeah, So 967 00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:40,279 Speaker 1: what I took from it was like, Hey, in those situations, 968 00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:41,960 Speaker 1: I'm the person that says, hey, we can pull the 969 00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:45,160 Speaker 1: trigger on this music. You know you're floating, you don't 970 00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:46,480 Speaker 1: know what's going on. You want to play it now, 971 00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:48,200 Speaker 1: you want to change, you want I'm the one with 972 00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:50,400 Speaker 1: the taste that says, hey, let's pull the trigger, let's get. 973 00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:50,879 Speaker 4: This song out. 974 00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:55,040 Speaker 1: And I respect him even saying that because for many years, 975 00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:57,800 Speaker 1: again a lot of us are there behind the scenes. 976 00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:00,560 Speaker 1: Don't get our story told, you know what I mean. Uh, 977 00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:02,759 Speaker 1: you guys were behind the scenes for a very long time. 978 00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:04,839 Speaker 1: I was behind the scenes. We don't get a chance 979 00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:06,680 Speaker 1: to tell our story. So the first thing we think 980 00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:11,319 Speaker 1: of Rick Rick Rubin through history is that one he 981 00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:13,920 Speaker 1: was a producer, you know what I mean. Two, he 982 00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:17,960 Speaker 1: was this great mogul, and he's telling you, Hey, all 983 00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:20,560 Speaker 1: the stuff y'all think about me, I'm not that I'm 984 00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:23,080 Speaker 1: the person with the taste. I'm the person with I 985 00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:26,200 Speaker 1: have a I know how to make a decision. Us 986 00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:28,840 Speaker 1: in the music visits are undecided. A lot of times 987 00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:33,319 Speaker 1: it's going overthinkers, and he's the one and we need those. 988 00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:35,399 Speaker 1: I wish a couple more people is like, hey man, yeah, 989 00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:38,359 Speaker 1: look I really didn't make no beats. 990 00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:40,040 Speaker 4: I really don't. 991 00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:41,520 Speaker 2: That was so real to hear that. 992 00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:51,239 Speaker 3: Were you at the g Z and Gucci versus No? 993 00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:53,600 Speaker 4: I was not. I watched it from. 994 00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:58,160 Speaker 3: Yea as someone that that was not only lived that 995 00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:02,120 Speaker 3: era was a figure in Atlanta at that time. 996 00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:03,200 Speaker 4: What was it like? 997 00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:07,280 Speaker 1: For one, I was going through a little bit uh 998 00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:11,480 Speaker 1: on a personal level, trying to figure out where the 999 00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:13,239 Speaker 1: world was healthy, you. 1000 00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:13,759 Speaker 4: Know what I mean. 1001 00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:17,080 Speaker 1: And it wasn't that I believe so much in COVID 1002 00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:19,440 Speaker 1: or anything like that. I just felt like at the 1003 00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:23,400 Speaker 1: time it wasn't healthy to be around a lot of people. 1004 00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:24,120 Speaker 4: You know. 1005 00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:26,080 Speaker 1: I wouldn't say I'm a German phobe, but I was. 1006 00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:29,759 Speaker 1: I'm definitely in a space where I always had hand 1007 00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:34,359 Speaker 1: sanitizer before this. Yeah, I always washed my hand when 1008 00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:37,360 Speaker 1: somebody shook my hand. It's just I was always I 1009 00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:38,839 Speaker 1: had this phobia being sick man. 1010 00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:42,000 Speaker 4: So I just that was number one. Number two. 1011 00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:44,880 Speaker 3: I felt the same way with locks, Dipset and I 1012 00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:49,279 Speaker 3: regret it. What you said it was. It was like 1013 00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:51,960 Speaker 3: right at that peak COVID, but people were starting to 1014 00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:53,640 Speaker 3: go outside. I was like, nah, it's too many people 1015 00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:54,960 Speaker 3: right now, and I should have just. 1016 00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:57,480 Speaker 4: Done that ship. I mean, that would have been fun. One. 1017 00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:03,799 Speaker 4: I mean the jezy Gucci too was still the the 1018 00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:07,759 Speaker 4: energy around it still felt a little warm, you know 1019 00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:09,560 Speaker 4: what I'm saying. It just felt like it was hot. 1020 00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:13,319 Speaker 2: We felt that watching it. I was like, I don't 1021 00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:15,560 Speaker 2: know if we're going somebody might go down there. 1022 00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:16,080 Speaker 4: Yeah. 1023 00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:18,880 Speaker 1: So and then, you know, I have this thing where 1024 00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:22,520 Speaker 1: I like to call it before it happens, like, hey, 1025 00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:23,719 Speaker 1: I'm going to stay home, man. 1026 00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:24,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know what I'm saying. 1027 00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:28,120 Speaker 1: And again, I spent many of my times just in 1028 00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:31,760 Speaker 1: bad positions and you know, and dodged a lot of bs. 1029 00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:35,560 Speaker 1: So I've learned for those I learned from those mistakes, 1030 00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:38,640 Speaker 1: but not that I felt I wanted to say on 1031 00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:40,799 Speaker 1: the record like oh it's gonna go down tonight. That's 1032 00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:44,200 Speaker 1: not where I was at. I was basically like, number one, 1033 00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:48,880 Speaker 1: stay healthy, to watch it from afar and enjoy it. 1034 00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:50,240 Speaker 1: And I felt like if I was there, I probably 1035 00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:51,200 Speaker 1: want to enjoy that this much. 1036 00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:52,759 Speaker 4: I was there. 1037 00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:56,600 Speaker 1: I probably was watching surroundings comfortable. It was just a 1038 00:46:56,600 --> 00:47:00,319 Speaker 1: lot of things that I cherished by watching it at 1039 00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:02,200 Speaker 1: the house, you know what I mean. I was there, 1040 00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:04,560 Speaker 1: I heard songs that I was involved in while I 1041 00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:08,160 Speaker 1: was around, you know what I mean. It also gave 1042 00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:12,000 Speaker 1: me a great tea. 1043 00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:14,840 Speaker 4: Well, I'll give you, I'll give you a cheat. 1044 00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:17,359 Speaker 2: He was texting. He was texting the DJ no. 1045 00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:22,719 Speaker 1: But beforehand, me and Geez always had these strategy conversations 1046 00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:26,440 Speaker 1: we called it in a while, and we just had one. 1047 00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:28,279 Speaker 1: He's doing a symphony that's going to be fire. 1048 00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:28,960 Speaker 2: Uh. 1049 00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:31,600 Speaker 1: We just talked about how he could make the show 1050 00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:33,160 Speaker 1: better moving forward. 1051 00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:34,759 Speaker 4: He's a student, you know what I mean. 1052 00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:39,160 Speaker 1: So before the verses came out, I plucked out some 1053 00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:42,000 Speaker 1: songs that I felt like he should have done, and 1054 00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:43,359 Speaker 1: we put him and just put him in the pot. 1055 00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:45,319 Speaker 4: Then he reached out the drama as well. But you know, 1056 00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:47,200 Speaker 4: when it comes to that, we. 1057 00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:50,920 Speaker 1: Really confided in each other about the next step when 1058 00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:52,800 Speaker 1: he's doing these shows, what he should perform, how he 1059 00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:54,520 Speaker 1: should perform it. Do we think we should do this? 1060 00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:56,719 Speaker 1: And we had that type of relationship. So I think 1061 00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:59,799 Speaker 1: that we picked those songs and you know, He's in 1062 00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:02,480 Speaker 1: a different space, and it took it took a lot 1063 00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:06,400 Speaker 1: as a man and an artist to not turn into 1064 00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:09,560 Speaker 1: that dude that he very well could be being mad 1065 00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:11,319 Speaker 1: on what somebody's gonna say. 1066 00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:14,200 Speaker 4: He anticipated it, he knew it was coming. 1067 00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:18,120 Speaker 1: He knew that some of the stuff that they were 1068 00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:21,080 Speaker 1: dissing each other about was pivotable, and that's where everybody 1069 00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:23,360 Speaker 1: wanted to hear. So he had to deal with it. 1070 00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:25,400 Speaker 1: But I felt like he held it right and his 1071 00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:28,799 Speaker 1: showmanship showed through it. On what I learned through it 1072 00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:33,080 Speaker 1: was I never really got into Gucci's catalog because I 1073 00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:38,320 Speaker 1: was so caught into Geez Tip and all that and. 1074 00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:39,399 Speaker 4: Later in my years. 1075 00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:41,880 Speaker 1: So first and foremost in the club, you can't deny 1076 00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:47,960 Speaker 1: not playing Gucci. Man Smack had some smacks, but I 1077 00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:50,120 Speaker 1: wasn't really like I didn't pick up a tape and 1078 00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:52,960 Speaker 1: just you know, listen, but all the youngins around me 1079 00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:55,360 Speaker 1: was all Gucci, you know what I mean. So I 1080 00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:58,480 Speaker 1: learned from that. But watching that, it made me realize, like, 1081 00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:02,640 Speaker 1: dude is really one of those guys from the South 1082 00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:05,319 Speaker 1: that needs to be respected, you know, one. 1083 00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:06,440 Speaker 3: Of the best an rs ever too. 1084 00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:08,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, And and that's what I got from that, and 1085 00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:09,840 Speaker 1: that's why I wanted to watch it. 1086 00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:10,840 Speaker 4: I didn't want to. 1087 00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:13,719 Speaker 1: Be there and be in the battle. Yeah, I wanted 1088 00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:16,160 Speaker 1: to watch it, like oh crazy. I love how he 1089 00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:20,239 Speaker 1: did that. I love the way him and Zaetoven had 1090 00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:24,240 Speaker 1: so many hits together. That's that allowed me to feel 1091 00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:26,920 Speaker 1: better about that, but still didn't want to be there. 1092 00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:29,680 Speaker 2: I like the fact that a while later he did 1093 00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:33,040 Speaker 2: an interview I think it was with Elliott Uh it 1094 00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:35,640 Speaker 2: might have been rap Radar when Gucci sat down and 1095 00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:38,760 Speaker 2: he he spoke about when he brought up the whole 1096 00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:42,040 Speaker 2: you know thing with Gizi's homeboy dying in the midst 1097 00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:44,279 Speaker 2: of their feud and their beef, and he said he, 1098 00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:47,040 Speaker 2: you know, he regretted doing that, yeap, Like he was like, 1099 00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:48,960 Speaker 2: you know, looking back, he was like, you know, it 1100 00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:52,000 Speaker 2: was just unnecessary and I shouldn't have did it. Like 1101 00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:55,120 Speaker 2: to me, that was dope to hear Gucci say that. Yeah, yeah, 1102 00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:56,960 Speaker 2: you know after you know, because in the battle, it's 1103 00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:59,120 Speaker 2: a battle, yep. But at the end of it, it's like, 1104 00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:01,560 Speaker 2: you know, we all black men, we all have a 1105 00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:04,080 Speaker 2: certain respect for each other being from the same city. 1106 00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:06,440 Speaker 2: I'm sure ye that, you know, even though it was 1107 00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:11,120 Speaker 2: a feud, and it was bump of heads as grown men. Now, Paul, 1108 00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:16,239 Speaker 2: now that was crazy as grown men know. Like you know, 1109 00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:19,279 Speaker 2: years later it's like we're married, we have children. Yep, 1110 00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:22,640 Speaker 2: it's like, yes, it was a battle, but that part 1111 00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:23,600 Speaker 2: was unnecessary. 1112 00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:24,000 Speaker 4: Yeah. 1113 00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:26,239 Speaker 1: What most people don't talk about too is when you 1114 00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:30,440 Speaker 1: have time alone, yea, by yourself, it's the most honest 1115 00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:33,680 Speaker 1: you could be with yourself. And when you're by yourself, 1116 00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:38,040 Speaker 1: you start saying, Man, that beef right there, stop me 1117 00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:41,120 Speaker 1: from making this much money. I'm this great of an 1118 00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:44,520 Speaker 1: n R. I stopped myself from making history, like as 1119 00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:47,160 Speaker 1: far as many artists that Gucci Man put on. I 1120 00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:49,040 Speaker 1: feel like if he is able to do that from 1121 00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:52,880 Speaker 1: the beginning, Homes would have been very well in the 1122 00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:55,479 Speaker 1: talks of you know, some of the people that made 1123 00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:58,759 Speaker 1: bigger companies like and it still is by the way, 1124 00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:02,480 Speaker 1: but the Bays and the people that made these huge empires. 1125 00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:06,920 Speaker 4: I feel like at. 1126 00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:09,280 Speaker 1: Some point he probably was like, man, I wasn't able 1127 00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:11,840 Speaker 1: to U, I wasn't able to see a lot of 1128 00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:14,880 Speaker 1: that based on what was going on. I feel like, 1129 00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:19,040 Speaker 1: you know, he was a trendset on a bunch of spots. 1130 00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:22,919 Speaker 1: The chains, the bar Simpson chain like bro did his thing. 1131 00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:27,480 Speaker 1: But I feel like going through those chials and tribulations 1132 00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:29,040 Speaker 1: helped them get to this moment for sure. 1133 00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:29,560 Speaker 2: Absolutely. 1134 00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:31,680 Speaker 4: But if he was like, oh, if he sat back 1135 00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:35,520 Speaker 4: and that didn't happen, we be he'd be in there. 1136 00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:37,719 Speaker 1: He'd be in that convo for sure, for sure, you 1137 00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:39,360 Speaker 1: know what I mean. I think he's still fighting for 1138 00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:42,319 Speaker 1: that space. But we all know now he's the guy. 1139 00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:43,600 Speaker 4: He's on the supreme teas. 1140 00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:46,760 Speaker 1: He's got the biggest supreme tea. 1141 00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:49,319 Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know what Pitchfork thinks of him, but. 1142 00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:54,000 Speaker 2: Well, Pitchfork is an interesting platform. They put out something 1143 00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:56,800 Speaker 2: was last two days. 1144 00:51:56,640 --> 00:52:00,279 Speaker 3: Ago, was a few days ago, Ice Spice Spice. 1145 00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:02,400 Speaker 2: Shout out the Ice Spice again. Anybody from the Bronx 1146 00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:04,120 Speaker 2: some room for him, so shout out the ice Spice. 1147 00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:07,840 Speaker 2: Her her EP was projected to do fifteen thousand. I 1148 00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:11,319 Speaker 2: think something like that fifteen k, which is a to me, 1149 00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:14,280 Speaker 2: is a win for her. This is very short, thirteen minutes, 1150 00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:16,520 Speaker 2: six songs. Two of the songs. I think we are 1151 00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:18,200 Speaker 2: already two or three to the records we already heard. 1152 00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:21,080 Speaker 4: Wait wait, wait, the whole thing is thirteen minutes thirteen. 1153 00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:23,760 Speaker 2: It's a little EP. It's a little EP, six six tracks, 1154 00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:24,720 Speaker 2: thirteen minutes. 1155 00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:25,640 Speaker 4: How do you feel about that? 1156 00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:27,160 Speaker 2: Fifteen K first week. 1157 00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:30,560 Speaker 4: The Future, man? I mean thirteen minutes? Yeah. 1158 00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:33,319 Speaker 3: I mean if you look at these songs right now, 1159 00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:37,160 Speaker 3: rarely go past two minutes and thirty seconds. That on 1160 00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:37,560 Speaker 3: top of the. 1161 00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:40,040 Speaker 2: Average of two minutes and ten seconds E song. 1162 00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:43,920 Speaker 3: Wow, okay, yeah, thirteen minutes flat. 1163 00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:47,359 Speaker 1: That means that the text span of the youngins is like, 1164 00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:51,880 Speaker 1: of course, I mean, yikes, streaming era shit has to 1165 00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:52,280 Speaker 1: be around. 1166 00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:55,920 Speaker 2: The niggas is on fitting all they falling asleep, they doped, 1167 00:52:55,920 --> 00:53:00,800 Speaker 2: they popping pills, smoky. How much shit are you on? 1168 00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:01,200 Speaker 4: Sir? 1169 00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:01,360 Speaker 5: Like? 1170 00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:03,800 Speaker 2: What are you trying to do to your body? You 1171 00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:05,359 Speaker 2: want to go to sleep or wake up? 1172 00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:08,160 Speaker 3: Long longest record on it is two minutes thirty nine seconds, 1173 00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:12,720 Speaker 3: and that's you know, obviously a big Mario Wayan's sample, 1174 00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:15,880 Speaker 3: so that that carried a lot of it, and then 1175 00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:18,120 Speaker 3: you have a little TJ feature. But other than that, 1176 00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:19,920 Speaker 3: the ship is like a minute forty six two minutes. 1177 00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:20,680 Speaker 3: Nothing goes past that. 1178 00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:22,279 Speaker 4: I guess a verse in two hooks, get out of 1179 00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:23,520 Speaker 4: the ship, get out of there. 1180 00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:29,640 Speaker 3: But I mean, according to Pitchford, same as Mister Morale. 1181 00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:31,239 Speaker 3: They rate it, if not better. I mean, I think 1182 00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:33,000 Speaker 3: Ice Spice should have been a little higher. 1183 00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:34,879 Speaker 2: Than Mister Morale and Kendrick's album. 1184 00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:37,239 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean seven to six. I felt was a 1185 00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:41,160 Speaker 3: little low for the Queen Spice, but Mister Morale being 1186 00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:43,360 Speaker 3: at the same category. 1187 00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:45,319 Speaker 2: Obviously that album came out a year ago. 1188 00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:47,879 Speaker 3: How long is the Kendrick Mister Morale. 1189 00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:48,879 Speaker 2: Two days long? 1190 00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:51,040 Speaker 4: A lifetime? 1191 00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:52,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's two days long. 1192 00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:54,920 Speaker 3: Wait, the Hard Part five might be longer than Ice 1193 00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:56,239 Speaker 3: Spice's entire album. 1194 00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:58,440 Speaker 4: It might be, it might be, it might be not 1195 00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:00,320 Speaker 4: as close nine minute. 1196 00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:05,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, So Pitchfork rate rated Ice Spice's EP A seven 1197 00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:09,000 Speaker 2: point six. Uh, Mister Morale and the Big Step Steppers 1198 00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:12,480 Speaker 2: they rated at seven point six and then I saw that, honestly, 1199 00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:15,960 Speaker 2: never mind, they rated a six point six. And then uh, 1200 00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:20,080 Speaker 2: the twenty one Savage Drake album was the name of 1201 00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:20,359 Speaker 2: that one. 1202 00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:21,880 Speaker 4: I forget her Loss, Her. 1203 00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:27,520 Speaker 2: Loss, and they rated Her Loss a six point four. Again, Pitchfork, 1204 00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:29,839 Speaker 2: they put these things out, these platforms put these things out, 1205 00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:32,600 Speaker 2: and it's obviously to engage people and get people riled 1206 00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:33,719 Speaker 2: up in the comments and. 1207 00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:36,000 Speaker 4: Trapped this troll city. 1208 00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:37,160 Speaker 2: It's troll city. 1209 00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:38,920 Speaker 4: I mean that doesn't make any sense. Bro. 1210 00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:41,359 Speaker 3: First and foremost, is it Pitchfork supposed to be like 1211 00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:47,040 Speaker 3: the fucking hipster h It was sposed musical like one 1212 00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:50,279 Speaker 3: integrity ship Like I feel like mister morale to them 1213 00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:52,560 Speaker 3: would have been a fifteen if it only goes up 1214 00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:55,000 Speaker 3: to ten and Ice Spices they would have been like, ugh, 1215 00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:56,280 Speaker 3: how dare you? 1216 00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:56,560 Speaker 4: Yeah? 1217 00:54:56,840 --> 00:54:58,640 Speaker 3: Even get according? 1218 00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:02,319 Speaker 1: We're on a scale ten, right, Yeah, so we're in 1219 00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:06,719 Speaker 1: a scale ten and those three albums for. 1220 00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:09,520 Speaker 2: Ice Spice's EP is rated higher. 1221 00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:13,040 Speaker 1: It's last three albums, right and the last three Yo, 1222 00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:15,800 Speaker 1: that's wild, bro, that's so wild. 1223 00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:18,560 Speaker 2: So we know we can we can know, we understand 1224 00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:21,280 Speaker 2: what's happening here. This is to This is to engage people. 1225 00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:23,440 Speaker 2: People want to be outraised in the comments. Let them 1226 00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:26,520 Speaker 2: have fun, repost this, sendence to everybody like looking what 1227 00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:29,400 Speaker 2: Pitchfork is saying. But I mean, at some point I 1228 00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:32,279 Speaker 2: understand what clickbait is and what want to engage the 1229 00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:35,160 Speaker 2: audience is. But I mean, come on, bro, we gotta 1230 00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:37,279 Speaker 2: we gotta be just a little more a little more 1231 00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:38,040 Speaker 2: integrity than this. 1232 00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:40,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, you at least gotta do her loss in them, 1233 00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:42,120 Speaker 1: like you gotta get it closer to ten. 1234 00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:44,560 Speaker 2: Her loss is definitely not a six point four. 1235 00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:45,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, bro, I mean. 1236 00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:48,319 Speaker 2: We honestly never mind people had mixed reviews about that. 1237 00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:50,480 Speaker 2: I thought that was a really dope project. I like 1238 00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:51,439 Speaker 2: that project dope. 1239 00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:53,759 Speaker 3: Let me let me try to I don't know, find 1240 00:55:53,760 --> 00:56:01,759 Speaker 3: a debate here, Pitchfork being this fucking progressive hipster Williamsburg Greenpoint, 1241 00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:06,319 Speaker 3: that's what the East Williamsburg Bushwick type of blog. At 1242 00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:09,799 Speaker 3: this point, I feel like Ice Spices is pushing this 1243 00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:12,799 Speaker 3: sound forward. No, she's a new artist. Like we've heard 1244 00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:14,480 Speaker 3: some a lot of shit that's on her loss. That's 1245 00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:18,480 Speaker 3: yesterday's news. We've heard those those sonics. Ice Spices push 1246 00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:21,680 Speaker 3: pushing the culture forward. We never heard nothing like Ice Spice. Okay, 1247 00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:23,560 Speaker 3: so you just you're not looking at it that way. 1248 00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:25,680 Speaker 2: I'm not right. I'm looking at it. 1249 00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:28,600 Speaker 4: Just listen. I had never heard it either. 1250 00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:32,240 Speaker 2: So I'm just listening to music. And again I'm happy 1251 00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:34,399 Speaker 2: that Ice Spice is. You know, she moved to Unit 1252 00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:37,759 Speaker 2: she did. Uh, But we're just talking about just music again, 1253 00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:40,120 Speaker 2: you know, back to Rick Ruman thing. I just have 1254 00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:43,520 Speaker 2: supreme confidence in my taste. I don't think that her 1255 00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:46,680 Speaker 2: loss is a six point four. Yeah, my ears and 1256 00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:50,120 Speaker 2: my my soul didn't say that's a six point four. 1257 00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:51,319 Speaker 4: I had not for nothing. 1258 00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:54,920 Speaker 1: I had an argument three weeks ago about Ice Spice, 1259 00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:56,880 Speaker 1: and I was like, Bro, I always thought that she 1260 00:56:56,960 --> 00:56:59,280 Speaker 1: could be the person moving forward. 1261 00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:01,960 Speaker 4: I just felt like she had those star qualities to. 1262 00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:05,480 Speaker 1: Be on MTV Awards, present the award and doing certain things, 1263 00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:08,719 Speaker 1: and I think that's a big That's good for them 1264 00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:10,400 Speaker 1: to say that. Yeah, you know what I mean, because 1265 00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:11,880 Speaker 1: that's pushing what I'm saying forward. 1266 00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:16,280 Speaker 3: I'm not mad, m I'm glad. I'm glad Pitchford is 1267 00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:18,080 Speaker 3: giving her because I think seven to six is still 1268 00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:18,960 Speaker 3: a good rating. 1269 00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:21,280 Speaker 4: That's just too low, though, BRO, like, we could, but. 1270 00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:24,160 Speaker 3: To put it at the same as mister Morale is 1271 00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:24,880 Speaker 3: a little So. 1272 00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:27,240 Speaker 4: If we were going five mikes, what's mister morale to y'all? 1273 00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:30,920 Speaker 2: We're going five mics, mister Morale? 1274 00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:33,680 Speaker 3: Four, I'm going a half? 1275 00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:34,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, I got to hide and four. 1276 00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:36,400 Speaker 3: I don't know if I don't know if I can 1277 00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:39,400 Speaker 3: say four and a half yet before mister Mole has 1278 00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:41,680 Speaker 3: had a lot more replay value than I thought it would. Yeah, 1279 00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:43,560 Speaker 3: I was that was my only fear of it. I 1280 00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:47,439 Speaker 3: was like, this is incredible. Not sure how much I'm 1281 00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:49,000 Speaker 3: going to go back to this because it puts me 1282 00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:52,200 Speaker 3: in a mood or whatever. I've listened to that album NonStop. 1283 00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:54,400 Speaker 3: It hasn't really left rotation since it came out. 1284 00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:56,600 Speaker 2: That is a This is just the way the entire 1285 00:57:57,160 --> 00:58:02,160 Speaker 2: the sequencing everything flows. I know when it came out, 1286 00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:05,760 Speaker 2: we reviewed it, and to me, it's an audiobook. It 1287 00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:09,000 Speaker 2: just sounds like you're sitting down listening to a book 1288 00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:12,640 Speaker 2: and somebody's just giving you different chapters and the soundbed 1289 00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:15,000 Speaker 2: behind it and things like that. Like that's to me, 1290 00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:17,200 Speaker 2: mister Morrell and Big Steps is one of the best 1291 00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:18,040 Speaker 2: albums I ever heard. 1292 00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:20,400 Speaker 3: I think Pitchfork actually puts it perfect. As far as 1293 00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:23,880 Speaker 3: mister morle, each line can feel like an intrusive thought 1294 00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:27,960 Speaker 3: untethered to a central theme, Like Ween said, how can 1295 00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:31,160 Speaker 3: I lose if I'm already chose with? If not Party Lit, 1296 00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:34,040 Speaker 3: I'd rather not go halfway through Bikini Bottom. Oh wait, 1297 00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:41,000 Speaker 3: this is the Ice Spice review. I'm sorry, Like, what 1298 00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:42,720 Speaker 3: that's the Ice Spice review? I'm sorry? 1299 00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:44,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean. 1300 00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:47,120 Speaker 3: What central theme is the Ice Spice? 1301 00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:47,320 Speaker 4: Shit? 1302 00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:50,200 Speaker 5: Is it not like an over correction of wokeness. Do 1303 00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:52,600 Speaker 5: you guys feel like it just doesn't seem authentic when 1304 00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:54,640 Speaker 5: I read these things, It's like, for years it's been 1305 00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:57,400 Speaker 5: male dominated. It's all guys, guys, is it not just 1306 00:58:57,400 --> 00:58:59,080 Speaker 5: like when I sent it in the group chat, I 1307 00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:02,040 Speaker 5: genuinely meant it, like, is this not just too far? 1308 00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:06,200 Speaker 3: Oh you're saying because she's a woman and because your misogynistic. 1309 00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:07,120 Speaker 4: And this is why. 1310 00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:10,720 Speaker 3: But it's like, come on, you got a higher rating 1311 00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:13,880 Speaker 3: because it is an empowerment of women and she's talking 1312 00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:14,400 Speaker 3: about it just. 1313 00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:15,880 Speaker 2: Like objectively, look at the music. 1314 00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:18,760 Speaker 4: Come on, I'm not. 1315 00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:21,160 Speaker 3: Mad at seven to six for her rating. Just don't 1316 00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:22,480 Speaker 3: have mister Morale as seven to six. 1317 00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:25,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's my You're like, once y'all saw that, y'all 1318 00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:27,560 Speaker 2: because they obviously rated that when the album came out, Right, 1319 00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:29,880 Speaker 2: there's an old rating yeah for mister Morale. So once 1320 00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:31,360 Speaker 2: you saw that, you had to be like, Okay, we 1321 00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:35,080 Speaker 2: clearly cannot give this the same rating as mister Moral 1322 00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:37,080 Speaker 2: and the Big Steppers, because I feel like somebody in 1323 00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:39,320 Speaker 2: that office was fighting for it to be ranked higher 1324 00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:41,240 Speaker 2: than the seven point six yeah, and he was like, no, 1325 00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:42,440 Speaker 2: we can't rank it higher. 1326 00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:44,480 Speaker 1: For what their history was. You will really think that 1327 00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:45,640 Speaker 1: somebody was fighting in there. 1328 00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:47,840 Speaker 2: Oh, I hope. So I don't know who's up at Pitchfork. 1329 00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:49,800 Speaker 2: I don't know who's who's who's there, who's working there. 1330 00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:54,280 Speaker 2: But listen, man, I'm learning. I'm learning from having debates 1331 00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:58,240 Speaker 2: with Don that, you know what, maybe I'm not wrong, 1332 00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:02,160 Speaker 2: but maybe I'm not right. So listen, I may I 1333 01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:04,800 Speaker 2: spikes might be a seven point six to some some people. 1334 01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:07,520 Speaker 4: Right to me, I'm willing to argue that some of 1335 01:00:07,560 --> 01:00:10,880 Speaker 4: my people, the young guys is around me, would probably 1336 01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:12,720 Speaker 4: listen to that more than they will listen to miss them. 1337 01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:13,560 Speaker 2: Around oh for sure. 1338 01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:18,560 Speaker 1: And that confuses me because I'm like, man, is there 1339 01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:21,800 Speaker 1: no way we can say what is the great mm 1340 01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:23,120 Speaker 1: HM album? 1341 01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:26,360 Speaker 4: Like? What is like? How can we how can we 1342 01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:28,480 Speaker 4: talk about this? How can we say yo, her loss 1343 01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:32,000 Speaker 4: was fire? How can we do we do not say 1344 01:00:32,080 --> 01:00:33,160 Speaker 4: things is great anymore? 1345 01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:35,800 Speaker 2: We say no, we're gonna rate it for you, not 1346 01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:36,000 Speaker 2: for you. 1347 01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:38,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, but even though you don't do it, even 1348 01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:41,600 Speaker 3: though you don't do this in our debates, you you 1349 01:00:41,640 --> 01:00:43,640 Speaker 3: have put that in perspective with me. As far as 1350 01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:47,280 Speaker 3: I'll say, I think an album is top fifteen, yep, 1351 01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:51,040 Speaker 3: and then you'll name twenty five albums and ask me 1352 01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:53,720 Speaker 3: if it's better than that exactly. So you're kind of 1353 01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:55,120 Speaker 3: in the Pitchfork lane as well. 1354 01:00:56,880 --> 01:00:59,880 Speaker 4: You know, no, because. 1355 01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:01,840 Speaker 2: From this out it's valid. No, that's not. 1356 01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:04,760 Speaker 3: It is valid, but it does feel like it's discrediting, 1357 01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:09,720 Speaker 3: which shouldn't be that way. But like the album and. 1358 01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:13,480 Speaker 2: Just forty five albums. But Donna pull a bar out 1359 01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:15,600 Speaker 2: and then look at you after he says the bar like, 1360 01:01:15,640 --> 01:01:17,840 Speaker 2: you have this ability to make a bar that I 1361 01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:20,720 Speaker 2: probably thought was the greatest shit I ever heard sound 1362 01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:25,000 Speaker 2: like the most remedial elementary shit ever. And I'm like, damn, 1363 01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:27,400 Speaker 2: I never heard that ball like that. But I realized 1364 01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:30,280 Speaker 2: what it is. It's just your pitch. Yeah, Like it's 1365 01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:32,760 Speaker 2: not it's it's how you say ship yes because you'll 1366 01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:34,360 Speaker 2: give me the bar. And I'm just like, yeah, that 1367 01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:37,360 Speaker 2: didn't sound that wasn't hard that it doesn't it didn't 1368 01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:37,640 Speaker 2: have that. 1369 01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:39,080 Speaker 1: Life to So I'm gonna can bring up one of 1370 01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:40,920 Speaker 1: the bars. The bar was like krispy Kreme, M'll be 1371 01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:41,760 Speaker 1: flipping them olds. 1372 01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:43,920 Speaker 2: You thought that was the greatest bar ever, No, I 1373 01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:44,280 Speaker 2: did not. 1374 01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:47,600 Speaker 1: You said it was one of the best bars I've heard. 1375 01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:48,880 Speaker 1: You know why, because you did. 1376 01:01:49,240 --> 01:01:52,520 Speaker 4: If I was you produced the record, if I was 1377 01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:53,920 Speaker 4: in if I was up. 1378 01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:58,200 Speaker 1: Northuh right, this is prior to Krispy Klean Cream being 1379 01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:03,160 Speaker 1: up north. Okay, I'm in the South, and I'm like, wow, wow, 1380 01:02:03,240 --> 01:02:08,560 Speaker 1: you just say you flipping O's Like I immediately like 1381 01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:11,320 Speaker 1: what maybe first thing is like I didn't expect to 1382 01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:12,240 Speaker 1: hear that from him? 1383 01:02:12,240 --> 01:02:13,520 Speaker 4: How honest and on point? 1384 01:02:13,640 --> 01:02:18,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, somebody would say man's yeah Krispy Kreme, Like it 1385 01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:19,520 Speaker 1: made sense to me. 1386 01:02:19,640 --> 01:02:21,400 Speaker 4: Okay, you know what I mean. That was just one bar. 1387 01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:26,000 Speaker 1: That's just like I know that people passed the higher 1388 01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:28,160 Speaker 1: learning or the higher thinking people. 1389 01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:29,480 Speaker 4: On this level. We're going to bela. 1390 01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:33,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, I relate. Yeah, you know, I got it when 1391 01:02:33,280 --> 01:02:36,000 Speaker 2: you said it. But I was so heated and we 1392 01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:38,280 Speaker 2: were talking about some of the greatest bars ever and 1393 01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:39,840 Speaker 2: we were told A my Kendrick. 1394 01:02:39,560 --> 01:02:41,040 Speaker 3: And that you was like, that's what I said. We 1395 01:02:41,080 --> 01:02:43,640 Speaker 3: broke you through that bar. I was like, like, that's whack. 1396 01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:46,720 Speaker 3: But have you heard that O's bar from GZ? And 1397 01:02:47,600 --> 01:02:50,560 Speaker 3: I'm like, said all this ship than that. But I 1398 01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:52,400 Speaker 3: understood what you were saying exactly. 1399 01:02:52,440 --> 01:02:54,560 Speaker 2: Understand That's what I said, you didn't expect, first of all, 1400 01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:57,560 Speaker 2: Geez to put that at that time, because I don't, 1401 01:02:57,680 --> 01:02:59,440 Speaker 2: like you said, Christian Kreans wasn't even in that land 1402 01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:00,120 Speaker 2: at the time where. 1403 01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:02,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, Krispy Krean was on Atlanta, but I didn't think 1404 01:03:02,520 --> 01:03:04,440 Speaker 1: it was all over the world. Okay, So I think 1405 01:03:04,520 --> 01:03:06,720 Speaker 1: it was like I did, they didn't have Chrispy Kreman 1406 01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:08,640 Speaker 1: right when did Chrispy Greenery at five six seven? 1407 01:03:08,680 --> 01:03:09,320 Speaker 4: We got it late? 1408 01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:12,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, we had no we had it wait one seven years. 1409 01:03:12,240 --> 01:03:15,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, well I thought about it was like, it's so 1410 01:03:15,840 --> 01:03:18,280 Speaker 1: many versions of that. I was like, oh, flipping the 1411 01:03:18,280 --> 01:03:20,560 Speaker 1: Od's man, Chrispy Krme got the Christmy Kreing got the 1412 01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:21,400 Speaker 1: best donuts. 1413 01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:24,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, I get it. That's better than donuts to be. 1414 01:03:24,320 --> 01:03:27,640 Speaker 4: I'm like close. Yeah, it's like that hot Glade. Yeah, 1415 01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:28,960 Speaker 4: you got him hot off the press. 1416 01:03:29,560 --> 01:03:31,080 Speaker 2: Yeah I was. You went somewhere else with it. 1417 01:03:31,080 --> 01:03:32,960 Speaker 4: I get it, I get it, I get it. 1418 01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:35,560 Speaker 3: So that was Gez suggesting he had the better product too, 1419 01:03:35,720 --> 01:03:37,400 Speaker 3: Like I didn't even there's layers. 1420 01:03:37,120 --> 01:03:41,680 Speaker 4: To funny, but yeah, that's why I was getting that. 1421 01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:43,120 Speaker 2: I saw something else. 1422 01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:43,400 Speaker 1: Uh. 1423 01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:47,680 Speaker 2: Fifty had some pushback. Jamaal Crawford did an interview uh 1424 01:03:47,720 --> 01:03:51,960 Speaker 2: and he said that jay Z's impact on the culture 1425 01:03:52,600 --> 01:03:56,920 Speaker 2: goes beyond music. He has a bit a bigger impact 1426 01:03:57,440 --> 01:04:00,640 Speaker 2: on the culture than Eminem does. No, no, this reverse, 1427 01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:03,480 Speaker 2: he said, Eminem has a bigger impact. So Fifty said that, 1428 01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:05,840 Speaker 2: But originally it was in response to Jamal craw for 1429 01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:09,920 Speaker 2: saying that jay Z has the biggest impact on on 1430 01:04:10,040 --> 01:04:13,280 Speaker 2: hip hop. And you know, anytime I think Fifty hit 1431 01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:15,400 Speaker 2: Jay's name, He's just gonna refute some ship or just 1432 01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:21,320 Speaker 2: throw some soul. Fifty's crazy, but he loves Jay. Has 1433 01:04:21,320 --> 01:04:22,880 Speaker 2: a weird way of showing his love for Jay. 1434 01:04:23,080 --> 01:04:25,600 Speaker 3: But he went to It was a few weeks ago. 1435 01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:28,800 Speaker 3: I forgot what interview fifty was doing, and he almost 1436 01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:32,560 Speaker 3: went to compliment Jay and then was like, well, I 1437 01:04:32,600 --> 01:04:34,600 Speaker 3: mean he looks like a gay painter now. And I 1438 01:04:34,680 --> 01:04:36,280 Speaker 3: was like, Fifty just could never. 1439 01:04:36,320 --> 01:04:38,040 Speaker 2: Just can't give you. That's his way. It's shown love. 1440 01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:40,160 Speaker 2: I think I think I think it is love. Like 1441 01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:41,560 Speaker 2: Fifty is the type of guy you give him a 1442 01:04:41,640 --> 01:04:43,120 Speaker 2: hug and he back up looking at you like he 1443 01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:45,840 Speaker 2: check his pockets what you just took. I'll just give 1444 01:04:45,880 --> 01:04:48,800 Speaker 2: you a hug, man, I love you like he has trauma. Yeah, 1445 01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:50,960 Speaker 2: understand me. So we can understand why fifty that is 1446 01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:51,400 Speaker 2: trumpa But. 1447 01:04:51,360 --> 01:04:53,160 Speaker 3: Why fifty is so funny is that he'll be in 1448 01:04:53,200 --> 01:04:55,320 Speaker 3: like a dead serious point and then be like and 1449 01:04:55,400 --> 01:04:57,640 Speaker 3: I mean that's why he looks like a gay painter. Yeah, 1450 01:04:57,840 --> 01:04:59,520 Speaker 3: it's like all right, fifty, And he looked. 1451 01:04:59,320 --> 01:05:01,080 Speaker 2: At everybody in the room hours like after he says it, 1452 01:05:01,200 --> 01:05:03,680 Speaker 2: like who's going to refute that? He doesn't pull up 1453 01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:04,080 Speaker 2: the pictures? 1454 01:05:04,120 --> 01:05:05,920 Speaker 1: Yo, that's funny because I got a picture on my 1455 01:05:05,960 --> 01:05:09,000 Speaker 1: Graham right, and I think like Elliott made like one of. 1456 01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:10,880 Speaker 4: My chains, and like he came to the studio to 1457 01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:11,480 Speaker 4: do an interview. 1458 01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:14,800 Speaker 1: We were in the hallway and the first interaction with 1459 01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:18,320 Speaker 1: us was like it was like yo that I was like, yoh, 1460 01:05:18,320 --> 01:05:20,760 Speaker 1: we get that change from had no chain like that, bro. 1461 01:05:20,840 --> 01:05:22,560 Speaker 4: I got the picture of him like grabbing it looking 1462 01:05:22,600 --> 01:05:23,000 Speaker 4: at you cha. 1463 01:05:23,280 --> 01:05:25,800 Speaker 1: It was like, it's so funny because I when y'all 1464 01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:27,360 Speaker 1: talking about this, I know who he is. 1465 01:05:27,560 --> 01:05:33,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's doing his own thing. But I'll ask the 1466 01:05:33,600 --> 01:05:36,880 Speaker 2: question to you, does jay Z have a bigger impact 1467 01:05:37,200 --> 01:05:40,440 Speaker 2: on the hip hop than Eminem or does Eminem have 1468 01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:41,200 Speaker 2: a bigger impact? 1469 01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:43,440 Speaker 4: I hate answering these questions for the simple fact that 1470 01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:47,040 Speaker 4: there's so many A, B, C, D, E fgs, you 1471 01:05:47,040 --> 01:05:47,520 Speaker 4: know what I mean. 1472 01:05:47,560 --> 01:05:53,400 Speaker 1: So my first time traveling to Japan and all these 1473 01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:59,520 Speaker 1: places like Africa, I will say that Eminem is in 1474 01:05:59,600 --> 01:06:01,240 Speaker 1: more places across the world. 1475 01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:02,280 Speaker 4: And I've seen jay Z. 1476 01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:06,240 Speaker 1: I've went to rec record stores across the country. I 1477 01:06:06,280 --> 01:06:10,640 Speaker 1: see Eminem and Ludacris everywhere. I see Barber maps, you 1478 01:06:10,720 --> 01:06:12,000 Speaker 1: might see Ludacris on it. 1479 01:06:12,440 --> 01:06:12,560 Speaker 4: Uh. 1480 01:06:12,680 --> 01:06:16,840 Speaker 1: Eminem's impact across the world. And just they had this 1481 01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:19,680 Speaker 1: analogy about what's the most common thing all around the world, 1482 01:06:19,680 --> 01:06:23,160 Speaker 1: and they say stop signs, right, and the most recognizable 1483 01:06:23,160 --> 01:06:27,920 Speaker 1: faces is Mike Jackson stud and maybe Elvis and a 1484 01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:31,080 Speaker 1: few others, And those are the things which makes me 1485 01:06:31,120 --> 01:06:31,680 Speaker 1: feel like. 1486 01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:33,080 Speaker 4: Oh world wide. 1487 01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:37,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe in hip hop he may have the most influence. 1488 01:06:37,920 --> 01:06:42,360 Speaker 1: But when we're talking about like changing so many pieces, 1489 01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:45,200 Speaker 1: like when Jay had when he was wearing the crown 1490 01:06:45,280 --> 01:06:50,160 Speaker 1: heavy he uh, he switched changed clothes. It was a 1491 01:06:50,200 --> 01:06:52,320 Speaker 1: cultural thing that was outside of wrap. He didn't tell 1492 01:06:52,320 --> 01:06:55,520 Speaker 1: people stop doing the bars like this. When defel auto 1493 01:06:55,560 --> 01:06:59,480 Speaker 1: Tune came, it was like almost destroying auto tune. But 1494 01:06:59,720 --> 01:07:02,280 Speaker 1: auto soon lives. But at that moment, it was like, oh, Ship, 1495 01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:04,080 Speaker 1: what do we do? You stopped using all the tune. 1496 01:07:04,880 --> 01:07:08,160 Speaker 4: You know. The toughest thing that I. 1497 01:07:08,200 --> 01:07:11,040 Speaker 1: Ever heard my life was like put some some t 1498 01:07:11,240 --> 01:07:14,880 Speaker 1: pain on my voice and it would hurt me. Oh Ship, 1499 01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:17,080 Speaker 1: he pain is my man, I don't know what to do, 1500 01:07:17,680 --> 01:07:19,520 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So it was like a 1501 01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:21,960 Speaker 1: lot of that going on. But as we've seen him 1502 01:07:22,040 --> 01:07:26,720 Speaker 1: change so many places, it almost might be even but 1503 01:07:26,760 --> 01:07:30,320 Speaker 1: I would I would love to even hear what Jay 1504 01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:33,240 Speaker 1: has to say. He probably never will talk about it, 1505 01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:37,120 Speaker 1: but only because one of his lines was only people 1506 01:07:37,200 --> 01:07:39,240 Speaker 1: using moving units, is M pimp. 1507 01:07:39,160 --> 01:07:39,720 Speaker 4: Juice at us? 1508 01:07:40,280 --> 01:07:43,880 Speaker 1: It's like that almost felt like he was trying to say, look, 1509 01:07:43,960 --> 01:07:46,000 Speaker 1: I'm in the running with these guys. I'm going to 1510 01:07:46,080 --> 01:07:49,560 Speaker 1: try to get here past that. You know, He's always 1511 01:07:49,600 --> 01:07:49,920 Speaker 1: did that. 1512 01:07:49,960 --> 01:07:52,120 Speaker 2: He's always like yeah, she always recognized to. 1513 01:07:52,560 --> 01:07:54,919 Speaker 1: It's hard to say because M has done so much 1514 01:07:55,040 --> 01:07:56,200 Speaker 1: like fifties. 1515 01:07:55,800 --> 01:08:02,640 Speaker 4: Here, Uh. Part of Dre's second win was them collaborating. Yeah, 1516 01:08:04,120 --> 01:08:05,840 Speaker 4: I think that D twelve, the. 1517 01:08:05,840 --> 01:08:08,760 Speaker 1: Movie eight Mile, like so much came out of it. 1518 01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:10,960 Speaker 1: I mean, think about this. One of the staples and 1519 01:08:11,040 --> 01:08:13,800 Speaker 1: hip hop's is shade forty five. You know what I'm saying, 1520 01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:16,519 Speaker 1: that's that's on serious hoigh. It's not like which we're 1521 01:08:16,640 --> 01:08:21,880 Speaker 1: part of for seventeen years, going on seventeen years, we've 1522 01:08:22,640 --> 01:08:26,040 Speaker 1: been able to captivate hip hop on that level, you know, 1523 01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:32,000 Speaker 1: And he's had everybody's aid us Sway said Rude Jude, 1524 01:08:32,640 --> 01:08:36,599 Speaker 1: He's had who kid Case Sligh. You know what I'm saying, 1525 01:08:36,920 --> 01:08:39,800 Speaker 1: we're all staples, So he's he breeded that. You know, 1526 01:08:40,439 --> 01:08:42,800 Speaker 1: it's so much, it's so debatable. 1527 01:08:42,280 --> 01:08:43,639 Speaker 2: It's not as easy to answer. 1528 01:08:43,680 --> 01:08:44,360 Speaker 4: It's not easy. 1529 01:08:44,400 --> 01:08:46,000 Speaker 2: People online try to make you scene to be. 1530 01:08:46,200 --> 01:08:48,679 Speaker 1: They're going to go back and forth on some idiot shit. 1531 01:08:48,880 --> 01:08:52,360 Speaker 1: Oh he's this, but I'm breaking it down rap. 1532 01:08:52,240 --> 01:08:53,840 Speaker 2: Better than him on Renegade. Didy go right to that. 1533 01:08:54,520 --> 01:08:56,360 Speaker 1: I was almost upset that when I went to these 1534 01:08:56,400 --> 01:09:00,320 Speaker 1: places like Johannesburg and I didn't see jay Z or 1535 01:09:00,360 --> 01:09:02,599 Speaker 1: I couldn't like some of the songs I was playing 1536 01:09:03,240 --> 01:09:05,720 Speaker 1: didn't have the most impact, Like I wanted to have 1537 01:09:05,920 --> 01:09:08,720 Speaker 1: my night my night cap record when I'm trying to 1538 01:09:08,720 --> 01:09:11,240 Speaker 1: get the crowd popping was allowed me to reintroduce myself. 1539 01:09:11,240 --> 01:09:11,840 Speaker 4: My name is Hove. 1540 01:09:12,320 --> 01:09:15,800 Speaker 1: That didn't work in so many countries as as some 1541 01:09:15,880 --> 01:09:18,240 Speaker 1: of those other records did not saying My go to 1542 01:09:18,520 --> 01:09:21,280 Speaker 1: was one of the eminem records, but it wasn't those 1543 01:09:21,320 --> 01:09:21,920 Speaker 1: and I was hurt. 1544 01:09:22,040 --> 01:09:23,519 Speaker 2: Lose yourself, lose yourself. 1545 01:09:24,160 --> 01:09:26,000 Speaker 1: I would have loved to play Oh, I could play 1546 01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:30,840 Speaker 1: that in those spaces where you know, uh, But those 1547 01:09:30,920 --> 01:09:32,920 Speaker 1: those clubs I were playing, they were like Chiplin Circuits 1548 01:09:32,920 --> 01:09:33,559 Speaker 1: in the other cities. 1549 01:09:35,000 --> 01:09:35,840 Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, Like. 1550 01:09:36,080 --> 01:09:38,080 Speaker 1: Our biggest, my biggest record when I was out there 1551 01:09:38,280 --> 01:09:40,200 Speaker 1: in those places was like Knock if you buck. 1552 01:09:45,120 --> 01:09:49,200 Speaker 3: Because it's saden you a bit. That the impact of 1553 01:09:49,280 --> 01:09:54,479 Speaker 3: the mixtape era, just by sheer business design will never 1554 01:09:55,120 --> 01:09:58,280 Speaker 3: equate to its monetary value. Like we see people selling 1555 01:09:58,479 --> 01:10:02,480 Speaker 3: the catalogs now from eras that were so impactful. Yeah, 1556 01:10:02,520 --> 01:10:04,400 Speaker 3: And whether we agree with the number or not, like 1557 01:10:04,439 --> 01:10:07,400 Speaker 3: we just said, we understand why they're doing it mixtapes. 1558 01:10:07,439 --> 01:10:09,200 Speaker 3: Why is that can't really happen? 1559 01:10:09,960 --> 01:10:10,200 Speaker 4: Yeah? 1560 01:10:10,560 --> 01:10:13,599 Speaker 3: Is that a shitty feeling or is there other ways? 1561 01:10:14,280 --> 01:10:16,120 Speaker 1: It's not a shitty feeling. I'm gonna tell you why. 1562 01:10:16,200 --> 01:10:20,000 Speaker 1: Because anybody in that game, I mean, I can't speak 1563 01:10:20,040 --> 01:10:23,960 Speaker 1: for everybody, but what we were doing was creating history, 1564 01:10:24,320 --> 01:10:30,080 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? If there was any monetary 1565 01:10:30,120 --> 01:10:33,240 Speaker 1: you know, coming from that. It was it was based 1566 01:10:33,320 --> 01:10:36,640 Speaker 1: on us being able to continue building the history, you 1567 01:10:36,680 --> 01:10:40,519 Speaker 1: know what I mean. And when you're building history, you're 1568 01:10:40,560 --> 01:10:43,960 Speaker 1: not thinking about damn, I was trying to get paid 1569 01:10:43,960 --> 01:10:46,200 Speaker 1: for that. I'm thinking about man that helped me Canna 1570 01:10:46,280 --> 01:10:50,040 Speaker 1: pull here, like Drohn was able to win a Grammy 1571 01:10:51,720 --> 01:10:55,240 Speaker 1: years later based off the information that we had to 1572 01:10:55,280 --> 01:10:58,320 Speaker 1: go through, or the standpoint we had to go through. 1573 01:10:58,760 --> 01:11:01,559 Speaker 1: And that's just like you. And I'm not saying that's 1574 01:11:01,600 --> 01:11:04,320 Speaker 1: the Mount Rushmore or anything you do. I'm just saying 1575 01:11:04,920 --> 01:11:08,200 Speaker 1: that is possible now, you know what I'm saying, it's 1576 01:11:08,200 --> 01:11:11,519 Speaker 1: worth more than any money is to say, oh man, 1577 01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:14,160 Speaker 1: I did all that and got rewarded, you know, coming 1578 01:11:14,240 --> 01:11:17,080 Speaker 1: up and you know, even before we were born, like 1579 01:11:17,840 --> 01:11:21,000 Speaker 1: the people that stood for something were never rewarded, rewarded 1580 01:11:21,760 --> 01:11:24,840 Speaker 1: other than they stood for something, you know, they never 1581 01:11:25,000 --> 01:11:27,760 Speaker 1: got what they've gotten. I learned that when I went 1582 01:11:27,800 --> 01:11:32,960 Speaker 1: to Africa, Like when excuse me, when Nelson man Della, 1583 01:11:33,479 --> 01:11:36,719 Speaker 1: I went out there when he was you know, coming 1584 01:11:36,760 --> 01:11:40,120 Speaker 1: towards his end. It was people sitting on his lawn 1585 01:11:40,280 --> 01:11:43,720 Speaker 1: from what they were telling us for six months and 1586 01:11:43,840 --> 01:11:48,040 Speaker 1: praise and how much of them humanitarian he was, and 1587 01:11:48,120 --> 01:11:50,920 Speaker 1: they forgot anything that he had done, and nobody liked 1588 01:11:50,960 --> 01:11:54,400 Speaker 1: it was just everybody was out there to see and 1589 01:11:54,479 --> 01:11:57,599 Speaker 1: be a part of it from every aspect. There were 1590 01:11:57,600 --> 01:12:00,479 Speaker 1: people with cameras out there. There's people that lived by 1591 01:12:00,520 --> 01:12:03,680 Speaker 1: what he says, people that followed him, and it made 1592 01:12:03,720 --> 01:12:07,200 Speaker 1: me realize, like, man, it's all about the history. 1593 01:12:07,360 --> 01:12:09,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's all about the history. 1594 01:12:09,040 --> 01:12:13,000 Speaker 1: Anything that comes with it is to handle more history 1595 01:12:13,439 --> 01:12:16,880 Speaker 1: where we're moving forward to. So yeah, I mean that's 1596 01:12:16,880 --> 01:12:19,440 Speaker 1: what I'm with. I'm like, man, whatever. 1597 01:12:19,120 --> 01:12:22,000 Speaker 3: But I think there's gonna be just way way later 1598 01:12:22,080 --> 01:12:23,559 Speaker 3: down the line. I don't know if we'll see it. 1599 01:12:23,640 --> 01:12:27,599 Speaker 3: I think there will be a research of that whole 1600 01:12:27,640 --> 01:12:32,639 Speaker 3: mixtape catalog with these tech companies buying everyone's catalog because 1601 01:12:33,200 --> 01:12:35,879 Speaker 3: you can't monetize mixtapes because the labels aren't gonna budge. 1602 01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:38,320 Speaker 3: They budged a tiny bit with certain mixtapes, but that's 1603 01:12:38,360 --> 01:12:40,599 Speaker 3: why they're not on DSPs. That's why we can't monetize 1604 01:12:40,600 --> 01:12:43,320 Speaker 3: them because it's someone else's beat with publishing over here, 1605 01:12:43,360 --> 01:12:47,760 Speaker 3: and they once these tech companies own everything, I don't 1606 01:12:47,800 --> 01:12:50,760 Speaker 3: see them caring or going with the dinosaur ways of 1607 01:12:50,800 --> 01:12:53,479 Speaker 3: the label where it's like we will never clear that. Yeah, 1608 01:12:53,560 --> 01:12:55,960 Speaker 3: they'll be like, all right, we could put this. Everyone 1609 01:12:56,040 --> 01:12:58,880 Speaker 3: loves this mixtape. It as historical value and we own 1610 01:12:58,920 --> 01:13:00,679 Speaker 3: the beat, so we just have to do a quick 1611 01:13:00,680 --> 01:13:04,200 Speaker 3: contract with the beat we own to whatever rappers on that. 1612 01:13:05,560 --> 01:13:08,520 Speaker 3: It's very I think there will be a whole mixtape. 1613 01:13:09,160 --> 01:13:10,559 Speaker 2: Stop every one, stop shop. 1614 01:13:10,960 --> 01:13:12,880 Speaker 1: It's very interesting to see where it goes. Like a 1615 01:13:12,960 --> 01:13:14,880 Speaker 1: five years, streams may not be here, you know what 1616 01:13:14,880 --> 01:13:15,200 Speaker 1: I mean. 1617 01:13:15,280 --> 01:13:19,400 Speaker 4: So I'm very yeah, I'm strolling past it. 1618 01:13:19,479 --> 01:13:23,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm interested to see, Like if they buy up 1619 01:13:23,040 --> 01:13:25,160 Speaker 1: all these catalogs. Let's say in five years they've bought 1620 01:13:25,240 --> 01:13:29,600 Speaker 1: up seventy five percent of everybody younger and older catalogs, 1621 01:13:30,280 --> 01:13:31,560 Speaker 1: and then the tech company. 1622 01:13:31,320 --> 01:13:33,920 Speaker 4: Say, hey, we got you. Now all the streams are 1623 01:13:33,960 --> 01:13:37,519 Speaker 4: worth four dollars at fifty cent, which was point zero 1624 01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:41,080 Speaker 4: zero zero two eight five four, right, and you know, 1625 01:13:41,920 --> 01:13:44,240 Speaker 4: and then we'll be like, oh, that's what they was 1626 01:13:44,280 --> 01:13:46,599 Speaker 4: planning to do. Like I felt like that would metaverse. 1627 01:13:46,640 --> 01:13:48,240 Speaker 1: I felt like they was trying to get everybody to 1628 01:13:48,240 --> 01:13:51,200 Speaker 1: buy all these cribs out there so they could take 1629 01:13:51,240 --> 01:13:53,720 Speaker 1: the land here right here, like when you come back, 1630 01:13:53,880 --> 01:13:56,120 Speaker 1: you got to rent from me. Yeah, I bought all 1631 01:13:56,120 --> 01:13:56,760 Speaker 1: the land. 1632 01:13:56,720 --> 01:13:59,880 Speaker 4: Right wait, yeah, we was in the metaverse buying clubs, 1633 01:14:00,120 --> 01:14:02,680 Speaker 4: art galleries and stuff, and now we're we're back here. 1634 01:14:02,720 --> 01:14:04,280 Speaker 1: Now we got a rent. I can't buy no more. 1635 01:14:04,320 --> 01:14:06,800 Speaker 1: So I feel like that's what's happening a little bit. 1636 01:14:06,880 --> 01:14:11,479 Speaker 1: So there's like this like thing I kind of like 1637 01:14:12,320 --> 01:14:16,400 Speaker 1: Paul's ride on that. It's like it's like I want 1638 01:14:16,400 --> 01:14:18,880 Speaker 1: to be credit investor and have the funds and the 1639 01:14:18,920 --> 01:14:21,000 Speaker 1: liquid to do these things. But at the same time, 1640 01:14:21,120 --> 01:14:22,639 Speaker 1: what's coming in five years? 1641 01:14:22,680 --> 01:14:24,839 Speaker 4: Another pause? What's coming in five years? 1642 01:14:25,120 --> 01:14:25,200 Speaker 3: Now? 1643 01:14:25,240 --> 01:14:29,719 Speaker 2: You're getting crazy in five years where they say, yo, streams, 1644 01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:30,439 Speaker 2: ain't it no more? 1645 01:14:30,520 --> 01:14:33,400 Speaker 1: Now we're going into fandom where everybody gets their music 1646 01:14:33,439 --> 01:14:36,800 Speaker 1: directly from the artists or what's this? Like, That's where 1647 01:14:36,800 --> 01:14:40,599 Speaker 1: I'm like kind of trying to figure out, uh, what 1648 01:14:40,760 --> 01:14:43,400 Speaker 1: is it making? But again we don't have enough time 1649 01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:46,120 Speaker 1: to really be like, you know, it's gonna it's gonna 1650 01:14:46,160 --> 01:14:46,519 Speaker 1: be there. 1651 01:14:46,760 --> 01:14:48,559 Speaker 4: Let me get my money now so I can be. 1652 01:14:48,520 --> 01:14:52,120 Speaker 3: Credited again to go back to Jay and Impact And 1653 01:14:52,400 --> 01:14:55,160 Speaker 3: you know this podcast we've been called Jay Dick Riders 1654 01:14:55,200 --> 01:14:57,639 Speaker 3: all the time, So this is this isn't gonna help 1655 01:14:57,640 --> 01:15:00,680 Speaker 3: the case. I think they are rich. No plan of 1656 01:15:00,720 --> 01:15:03,320 Speaker 3: title was very much that as far as the artists 1657 01:15:03,400 --> 01:15:06,040 Speaker 3: having it, we're bringing our catalogs at least what we 1658 01:15:06,479 --> 01:15:09,160 Speaker 3: have in publishing wise over here, you have to we're 1659 01:15:09,200 --> 01:15:10,280 Speaker 3: going to do exclusives here. 1660 01:15:10,479 --> 01:15:10,719 Speaker 4: Yep. 1661 01:15:11,040 --> 01:15:12,760 Speaker 3: It was just too ahead of its time, and the 1662 01:15:12,800 --> 01:15:16,559 Speaker 3: marketing admittedly, like was just awful as far as the 1663 01:15:16,600 --> 01:15:19,920 Speaker 3: title marketing, yep, but it was what I think everything 1664 01:15:19,960 --> 01:15:21,920 Speaker 3: is going to move into eventually. I think Jay was 1665 01:15:21,960 --> 01:15:24,000 Speaker 3: just he was too early with it and it just 1666 01:15:24,080 --> 01:15:28,000 Speaker 3: was not executed properly. But with everyone buying up these catalogs, 1667 01:15:28,439 --> 01:15:31,479 Speaker 3: who knows what streaming service will be in the hardware 1668 01:15:31,520 --> 01:15:35,040 Speaker 3: of the phone when we buy the iPhones twenty five. 1669 01:15:35,240 --> 01:15:37,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, if we're talking on the business side as far 1670 01:15:37,280 --> 01:15:39,400 Speaker 1: as like the streaming too, Like think about the day 1671 01:15:39,439 --> 01:15:42,479 Speaker 1: La Soul their catalog just became available. 1672 01:15:42,080 --> 01:15:43,040 Speaker 2: Right Aliya too. 1673 01:15:43,120 --> 01:15:45,280 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Alia, Like, these things are 1674 01:15:45,320 --> 01:15:48,240 Speaker 1: like whoa, and it's a control I can be like, yeah, 1675 01:15:48,280 --> 01:15:49,240 Speaker 1: take this, take that down. 1676 01:15:49,720 --> 01:15:52,040 Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. Before the CD's out, you ain't. 1677 01:15:51,880 --> 01:15:53,880 Speaker 1: Gonna go houses across America, like, hey, can I have 1678 01:15:53,880 --> 01:15:56,559 Speaker 1: the CD back? Right, so that we have this print 1679 01:15:56,640 --> 01:15:58,920 Speaker 1: or right, the sample wasn't clear on the track. We 1680 01:15:59,080 --> 01:16:00,960 Speaker 1: need all that back to you when we'll fix it. 1681 01:16:01,160 --> 01:16:04,320 Speaker 1: Now we're like it's available to have that happen, Like 1682 01:16:04,479 --> 01:16:06,439 Speaker 1: I was excited to see they also do that. Through 1683 01:16:06,600 --> 01:16:09,040 Speaker 1: the history of HURT, they've went through with labels and 1684 01:16:09,080 --> 01:16:11,360 Speaker 1: not being able to get their things together. But now 1685 01:16:11,400 --> 01:16:13,559 Speaker 1: that it's hopefully signed off in the correct way where 1686 01:16:13,560 --> 01:16:16,519 Speaker 1: they can make money moving forward and people can sample 1687 01:16:16,680 --> 01:16:19,880 Speaker 1: it and do these things, I feel like it helps 1688 01:16:19,880 --> 01:16:21,840 Speaker 1: in that way. But them buying the catalog is like 1689 01:16:22,640 --> 01:16:25,080 Speaker 1: what do I do? I sell, you know, and the 1690 01:16:25,120 --> 01:16:27,840 Speaker 1: smart thing is sell, build another catalog, sell again. 1691 01:16:28,080 --> 01:16:29,080 Speaker 4: It's exits, you know. 1692 01:16:29,120 --> 01:16:31,000 Speaker 1: I learned that from being around some tech people and 1693 01:16:31,000 --> 01:16:33,040 Speaker 1: they're like, man, my resume is full of exits. 1694 01:16:33,240 --> 01:16:35,439 Speaker 4: People respect that, right, you know what I mean. 1695 01:16:35,520 --> 01:16:40,479 Speaker 2: Let's talk about your your app? Yeah, was that something 1696 01:16:40,520 --> 01:16:43,559 Speaker 2: that you again that fell into your lap or something 1697 01:16:43,600 --> 01:16:45,559 Speaker 2: that you took years and you just always was thinking 1698 01:16:45,560 --> 01:16:47,080 Speaker 2: about it, Like I got to get in the tech game. 1699 01:16:47,120 --> 01:16:49,960 Speaker 2: I got to get in that game and create some 1700 01:16:50,080 --> 01:16:54,519 Speaker 2: type of again a foundation or a building to where 1701 01:16:54,560 --> 01:16:56,800 Speaker 2: I can, you know, do what I want to do. 1702 01:16:56,960 --> 01:17:00,599 Speaker 2: Kind of employ people, give people opportunity and do something 1703 01:17:00,640 --> 01:17:02,080 Speaker 2: dope for my history and my legacy. 1704 01:17:02,320 --> 01:17:04,479 Speaker 1: Yeah, as far as the app, let me get into 1705 01:17:04,520 --> 01:17:07,840 Speaker 1: the history before I talk about it. In my life, 1706 01:17:07,880 --> 01:17:10,680 Speaker 1: I felt like my next steps was tech, you know 1707 01:17:10,720 --> 01:17:12,360 Speaker 1: what I mean. I didn't think I was moving into 1708 01:17:12,360 --> 01:17:14,439 Speaker 1: liquor brands. I didn't feel like I was moving At 1709 01:17:14,439 --> 01:17:17,679 Speaker 1: one one point, I did want to start a clothing brand, 1710 01:17:18,040 --> 01:17:19,759 Speaker 1: but I felt like a lot of stuff was niche. 1711 01:17:19,760 --> 01:17:22,479 Speaker 1: And I feel like I learned getting older that I 1712 01:17:22,520 --> 01:17:25,160 Speaker 1: feel stuff now. So when I'm going to speak to 1713 01:17:25,200 --> 01:17:29,000 Speaker 1: people and they're coming to me and saying. 1714 01:17:28,640 --> 01:17:30,000 Speaker 4: Hey, how do I get on? 1715 01:17:30,680 --> 01:17:35,880 Speaker 1: My initial response was always, man, work hard and you 1716 01:17:35,920 --> 01:17:37,000 Speaker 1: know your time gonna come. 1717 01:17:37,560 --> 01:17:40,040 Speaker 4: You just got to keep, you know, hustling, hustling, hustling. 1718 01:17:40,120 --> 01:17:41,120 Speaker 4: I felt like that was just. 1719 01:17:41,040 --> 01:17:43,120 Speaker 2: Like like nig, these bills coming right now. 1720 01:17:43,280 --> 01:17:44,720 Speaker 4: It's the flea off, you know what I mean. 1721 01:17:44,800 --> 01:17:48,479 Speaker 1: So I feel like doing so many of those it 1722 01:17:48,600 --> 01:17:50,840 Speaker 1: started to hurt my feelings when like, bro, I'm starting 1723 01:17:50,880 --> 01:17:53,040 Speaker 1: to just flee people, I'm telling them anything, and I 1724 01:17:53,080 --> 01:17:57,000 Speaker 1: don't want to do that. So, you know, the point 1725 01:17:57,000 --> 01:17:59,800 Speaker 1: of tomorrow is a marketplace for creatives and clients to 1726 01:17:59,800 --> 01:18:02,000 Speaker 1: find each other so we can make money, you know 1727 01:18:02,040 --> 01:18:06,160 Speaker 1: what I mean. And that came from that standpoint another 1728 01:18:06,240 --> 01:18:09,960 Speaker 1: point of you know, it was my wife's idea that 1729 01:18:10,240 --> 01:18:12,639 Speaker 1: you know, she had a friend that was doing styling 1730 01:18:12,720 --> 01:18:15,120 Speaker 1: gigs and she couldn't stay in her professional grid gig. 1731 01:18:15,240 --> 01:18:18,800 Speaker 1: And that was just like that's like a bad pain 1732 01:18:18,880 --> 01:18:21,360 Speaker 1: point for us, Like like I don't I want you 1733 01:18:21,400 --> 01:18:23,519 Speaker 1: guys to be able to be able to hear interview 1734 01:18:23,800 --> 01:18:27,680 Speaker 1: anybody from Jay to j Lo to me to the 1735 01:18:27,760 --> 01:18:31,040 Speaker 1: younger guy on to come up and not nothing wrong 1736 01:18:31,080 --> 01:18:35,240 Speaker 1: with this and have to go shovel snow because you 1737 01:18:35,240 --> 01:18:37,200 Speaker 1: can't stay in your profession, you know what I mean. 1738 01:18:37,800 --> 01:18:40,960 Speaker 1: And that's where you know, when she brought the point 1739 01:18:41,040 --> 01:18:43,960 Speaker 1: up that her friend had the door dash and couldn't 1740 01:18:44,040 --> 01:18:47,840 Speaker 1: like you know that that could somewhat stop you from 1741 01:18:47,880 --> 01:18:50,200 Speaker 1: getting to another stylin gig. That was very important for 1742 01:18:50,240 --> 01:18:53,679 Speaker 1: Tyler Perry somewhere or for Kevin Hart because you got 1743 01:18:53,920 --> 01:18:56,360 Speaker 1: things you got to handle and it's just life. But 1744 01:18:56,640 --> 01:18:59,200 Speaker 1: we wanted to bring an alternative in the marketplace to 1745 01:18:59,200 --> 01:19:02,840 Speaker 1: where people can day in that field get paid, not 1746 01:19:02,920 --> 01:19:05,599 Speaker 1: get money. You know, some of these creatives don't get paid. 1747 01:19:05,640 --> 01:19:07,840 Speaker 1: They do I can hit somebody. I'm popular. I said, 1748 01:19:07,840 --> 01:19:09,400 Speaker 1: you don't make me a cover. They so excited to 1749 01:19:09,400 --> 01:19:11,360 Speaker 1: make me a cover and build history with me, and 1750 01:19:11,360 --> 01:19:13,120 Speaker 1: then I ghost them and not paying for the cover 1751 01:19:13,720 --> 01:19:16,760 Speaker 1: or whatever the case may be, and the clients not 1752 01:19:16,880 --> 01:19:19,759 Speaker 1: being able to have a hub where they can find 1753 01:19:19,880 --> 01:19:22,240 Speaker 1: all the people that can have a black magic camera 1754 01:19:22,800 --> 01:19:25,040 Speaker 1: or you know, or have a studio to be at, 1755 01:19:25,120 --> 01:19:28,800 Speaker 1: or a rapper or a producer. I don't I'm in Alabama. 1756 01:19:28,880 --> 01:19:30,519 Speaker 1: I don't know how to make a song. I want 1757 01:19:30,560 --> 01:19:33,880 Speaker 1: to get a song. All those resources are in the app, 1758 01:19:34,120 --> 01:19:37,840 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So this is part of 1759 01:19:37,920 --> 01:19:41,160 Speaker 1: what I'm pushing for in giving back to the culture. 1760 01:19:41,360 --> 01:19:44,960 Speaker 1: Is something you can get to in order to get 1761 01:19:45,040 --> 01:19:48,640 Speaker 1: some portfolios off what you build, make some money, you 1762 01:19:48,680 --> 01:19:50,720 Speaker 1: know what I mean, and meet clients. A lot of 1763 01:19:50,720 --> 01:19:53,479 Speaker 1: times you might not be able to get to interscope records, 1764 01:19:53,760 --> 01:19:55,360 Speaker 1: but there's a chance that they are going to be 1765 01:19:55,360 --> 01:19:58,799 Speaker 1: on an app looking for things for products of product 1766 01:19:58,840 --> 01:20:02,960 Speaker 1: managers looking for things soon to come young lawyers that 1767 01:20:03,000 --> 01:20:06,000 Speaker 1: will be able to take care of your business marketing 1768 01:20:06,360 --> 01:20:08,640 Speaker 1: firms that I'll be able to do that, and just 1769 01:20:08,680 --> 01:20:10,639 Speaker 1: people want to get into media. People want to get 1770 01:20:10,640 --> 01:20:13,840 Speaker 1: into these things, so we're building these resources for people 1771 01:20:13,880 --> 01:20:18,599 Speaker 1: to be able to be in that space. That's important. Again, 1772 01:20:19,080 --> 01:20:22,760 Speaker 1: I hate exactly. It's like I'm tired of it. 1773 01:20:23,640 --> 01:20:23,840 Speaker 4: You know. 1774 01:20:23,920 --> 01:20:26,360 Speaker 1: When we first started, we made it open for everybody, 1775 01:20:26,560 --> 01:20:27,920 Speaker 1: and then so many people is like, I want to 1776 01:20:27,920 --> 01:20:29,760 Speaker 1: be in the industry. So we had to kind of 1777 01:20:29,760 --> 01:20:32,840 Speaker 1: like focus in on that. And it's not just rap 1778 01:20:33,600 --> 01:20:36,840 Speaker 1: all the genres and you know, again, there's no part 1779 01:20:36,880 --> 01:20:39,160 Speaker 1: of it that that's very social. To me, I feel 1780 01:20:39,240 --> 01:20:42,040 Speaker 1: like a lot of the times we're very social in 1781 01:20:42,040 --> 01:20:45,200 Speaker 1: these spaces and it's too much instead of just the 1782 01:20:45,360 --> 01:20:47,280 Speaker 1: job and that that's hand, you know what I mean. 1783 01:20:47,360 --> 01:20:50,160 Speaker 1: And that's where I wanted to push. I wanted to 1784 01:20:50,160 --> 01:20:52,920 Speaker 1: get people involved. I wanted to be a We did crowdfunding, 1785 01:20:53,080 --> 01:20:55,960 Speaker 1: we started. We wanted people from the community to be involved, 1786 01:20:56,360 --> 01:20:59,559 Speaker 1: you know what, because that allows them to say, hey, man, 1787 01:20:59,600 --> 01:21:01,400 Speaker 1: you don't have to have two hundred and fifty thousand 1788 01:21:02,439 --> 01:21:04,240 Speaker 1: private banking to be a. 1789 01:21:04,200 --> 01:21:04,600 Speaker 4: Part of this. 1790 01:21:04,760 --> 01:21:07,479 Speaker 1: Right, We're doing all this because this is a give back. 1791 01:21:07,600 --> 01:21:10,599 Speaker 1: You know, it's a pain point first, and after the fact, 1792 01:21:10,640 --> 01:21:12,479 Speaker 1: you know, it becomes. 1793 01:21:13,120 --> 01:21:14,960 Speaker 4: More and more engaging for. 1794 01:21:15,000 --> 01:21:17,719 Speaker 1: People like you and the starts just get people involved 1795 01:21:17,720 --> 01:21:20,000 Speaker 1: and the education of it is just you know, we're 1796 01:21:20,000 --> 01:21:22,320 Speaker 1: doing well, Like you know, we got people on an app, 1797 01:21:22,680 --> 01:21:25,479 Speaker 1: We've got the media going to where we're highlighting things 1798 01:21:25,720 --> 01:21:28,760 Speaker 1: while we're up here. We did Steve O Caroless, you 1799 01:21:28,800 --> 01:21:33,040 Speaker 1: know staple that dev really doesn't get his story told. Yeah, 1800 01:21:33,040 --> 01:21:33,920 Speaker 1: a lot, you know what I mean. 1801 01:21:35,040 --> 01:21:35,320 Speaker 4: We did. 1802 01:21:35,320 --> 01:21:37,760 Speaker 1: We also did his newcomer name Tyler, which is you know, 1803 01:21:38,120 --> 01:21:44,160 Speaker 1: creative director at Kiff and also this guy named Buddha 1804 01:21:44,240 --> 01:21:49,120 Speaker 1: that works with Davies. So we're just we're going, We're 1805 01:21:49,160 --> 01:21:52,439 Speaker 1: going to different states. We're doing a lot of uh, 1806 01:21:53,120 --> 01:21:55,960 Speaker 1: you know, information on these people to help them get 1807 01:21:56,000 --> 01:21:58,080 Speaker 1: out there, because this is all part of what we're 1808 01:21:58,080 --> 01:21:58,920 Speaker 1: supposed to be giving back. 1809 01:21:59,000 --> 01:22:00,320 Speaker 2: Absolutely, I mean us. 1810 01:22:00,360 --> 01:22:02,960 Speaker 3: You know, what's what's the full name of the app 1811 01:22:03,360 --> 01:22:04,080 Speaker 3: Tomorrow App. 1812 01:22:04,160 --> 01:22:06,280 Speaker 1: So it's t tomorrow, but it said tomorrow, so you 1813 01:22:06,320 --> 01:22:07,880 Speaker 1: got to download. Y'all got this stuff early. 1814 01:22:08,240 --> 01:22:10,320 Speaker 4: I gave y'all hats early. You know what I'm saying. 1815 01:22:10,640 --> 01:22:12,559 Speaker 1: I said, when I come to New York, I'm gonna 1816 01:22:12,560 --> 01:22:15,120 Speaker 1: sit with y'all and explain to y'all what it is. 1817 01:22:15,240 --> 01:22:18,040 Speaker 1: I just wanted to y'all to see it jump out there, 1818 01:22:18,160 --> 01:22:18,879 Speaker 1: just get familiar. 1819 01:22:18,920 --> 01:22:21,320 Speaker 3: But what's uh, and I mean this this may be 1820 01:22:21,400 --> 01:22:23,920 Speaker 3: even more outside of that, but what to people that 1821 01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:25,759 Speaker 3: want to create apps? What's that process? 1822 01:22:25,800 --> 01:22:28,719 Speaker 4: Even Like there's as. 1823 01:22:28,760 --> 01:22:30,840 Speaker 1: I'm learning as we're moving, and one of them is 1824 01:22:31,479 --> 01:22:33,880 Speaker 1: there's templates out there to where you could just make 1825 01:22:33,920 --> 01:22:36,599 Speaker 1: your own app. Like some people there's an IG template 1826 01:22:36,920 --> 01:22:39,400 Speaker 1: that you can buy and just make an app. 1827 01:22:40,479 --> 01:22:41,479 Speaker 4: I'll go even further. 1828 01:22:41,600 --> 01:22:43,720 Speaker 1: In two thousand and eight and nine, I had a 1829 01:22:43,800 --> 01:22:46,600 Speaker 1: Don Cannon app where you could go in there and 1830 01:22:46,640 --> 01:22:49,600 Speaker 1: see where I'm DJing at. Next get the episode that 1831 01:22:49,680 --> 01:22:52,960 Speaker 1: had Studio Rats, which was like, you know they used 1832 01:22:52,960 --> 01:22:55,000 Speaker 1: to call people back and day, now you're a studio rat. 1833 01:22:55,439 --> 01:22:57,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, studio and I made it. 1834 01:22:57,160 --> 01:22:59,280 Speaker 1: I made some called Studio Rats where you will see 1835 01:22:59,479 --> 01:23:03,479 Speaker 1: Astra off in there, Gez or me making a beat 1836 01:23:03,479 --> 01:23:06,439 Speaker 1: with Gizy or you know, Zatoven and Shoddy Red making 1837 01:23:06,479 --> 01:23:10,040 Speaker 1: a beat with you know whatever. It was just it 1838 01:23:10,080 --> 01:23:12,000 Speaker 1: was a lot of the stuff cool kids and currency 1839 01:23:12,680 --> 01:23:15,960 Speaker 1: and that app alone was just like the information that 1840 01:23:16,000 --> 01:23:18,840 Speaker 1: you can go see where I'm at, get tickets to 1841 01:23:18,880 --> 01:23:21,360 Speaker 1: the show, all that, and that was early on, but 1842 01:23:21,439 --> 01:23:24,200 Speaker 1: I felt like it was too focused on me, you 1843 01:23:24,200 --> 01:23:24,680 Speaker 1: know what I mean. 1844 01:23:24,760 --> 01:23:26,759 Speaker 4: It was just like me, me me, me meah instead 1845 01:23:26,760 --> 01:23:29,639 Speaker 4: of something that was for everybody. 1846 01:23:30,000 --> 01:23:33,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, I just downloaded it, so I'm definitely gonna check 1847 01:23:33,120 --> 01:23:33,320 Speaker 2: it out. 1848 01:23:33,360 --> 01:23:36,880 Speaker 1: So to add, like we got templates, we have people 1849 01:23:36,880 --> 01:23:38,640 Speaker 1: that can spend money. I've seen people make apps for 1850 01:23:38,680 --> 01:23:41,080 Speaker 1: thirty thousand, I've seen people make apps for sixty. I've 1851 01:23:41,080 --> 01:23:43,760 Speaker 1: seen people team up with people that make apps for 1852 01:23:43,920 --> 01:23:45,960 Speaker 1: zero dollars, you know what I mean. It's so many 1853 01:23:46,000 --> 01:23:48,400 Speaker 1: ways you can get into tech and create these apps. 1854 01:23:48,439 --> 01:23:53,559 Speaker 1: But it's very obtainable. Now that we're speaking of people 1855 01:23:53,840 --> 01:23:57,040 Speaker 1: selling their catalogs and having money and doing things, it's 1856 01:23:57,080 --> 01:23:59,760 Speaker 1: very obtainable for you to start app. There's plenty of 1857 01:23:59,760 --> 01:24:02,479 Speaker 1: apps out there. Isaac Cages Junior has fan Base, you 1858 01:24:02,560 --> 01:24:05,360 Speaker 1: have my Man Corbet and they have Melody app. 1859 01:24:06,240 --> 01:24:09,639 Speaker 4: You have, you know, so many things. 1860 01:24:09,479 --> 01:24:15,120 Speaker 3: After the Engineer, Engineer and everything that I think it's 1861 01:24:15,120 --> 01:24:19,920 Speaker 3: so great just to see everting into actual tech stuff 1862 01:24:19,960 --> 01:24:23,400 Speaker 3: one thousand percent because, as we say, with buying catalogs 1863 01:24:23,439 --> 01:24:25,759 Speaker 3: Texas tex trying to trying to buy up everything. 1864 01:24:26,080 --> 01:24:27,200 Speaker 2: Check us the funk out of here. 1865 01:24:28,000 --> 01:24:32,280 Speaker 3: Favorite beat you ever made, Worst beat you ever made? 1866 01:24:32,280 --> 01:24:32,960 Speaker 3: That people love. 1867 01:24:35,800 --> 01:24:40,040 Speaker 4: That's crazy. Best beat I ever made was Canon. Uh. 1868 01:24:40,360 --> 01:24:43,960 Speaker 1: I feel like Go Crazy is one of the greats. 1869 01:24:43,960 --> 01:24:47,840 Speaker 1: But I think Cannon really helped me as a person 1870 01:24:47,960 --> 01:24:56,439 Speaker 1: understand that I can blend Southern and and And. 1871 01:24:54,520 --> 01:24:56,360 Speaker 4: When I did Go Crazy, I was just up north. 1872 01:24:57,840 --> 01:24:59,400 Speaker 3: Are you in that session with Wayne for Cannon? 1873 01:25:00,120 --> 01:25:02,880 Speaker 1: No, he sent it back. So I was that day 1874 01:25:02,960 --> 01:25:06,479 Speaker 1: like incredible. I mean, I've run it through you real quick, 1875 01:25:06,520 --> 01:25:08,760 Speaker 1: so like Paul, I run it, I've run it down. 1876 01:25:10,000 --> 01:25:10,760 Speaker 2: Who's in your mind? 1877 01:25:12,000 --> 01:25:14,599 Speaker 4: That was so so I started in Miami. 1878 01:25:14,720 --> 01:25:17,880 Speaker 1: I got after I did Go Crazy, an R named 1879 01:25:17,960 --> 01:25:21,200 Speaker 1: Dame from Atlantic Records flew me to uh Miami to 1880 01:25:21,240 --> 01:25:23,400 Speaker 1: work with Trick Daddy and I did that beat in 1881 01:25:23,400 --> 01:25:23,759 Speaker 1: a session. 1882 01:25:23,880 --> 01:25:28,400 Speaker 4: I was thinking, come on, ride this train, pause, pause. 1883 01:25:30,240 --> 01:25:32,840 Speaker 3: Keep going go crazy. 1884 01:25:32,479 --> 01:25:36,120 Speaker 1: On it and up North kind of hard drums together, 1885 01:25:36,439 --> 01:25:38,200 Speaker 1: I could give Trick Daddy a new sound. I was 1886 01:25:38,240 --> 01:25:41,760 Speaker 1: just thinking totally different. We weren't able to connect on 1887 01:25:41,800 --> 01:25:46,719 Speaker 1: that record. But Fiend, which is one of my guys, 1888 01:25:47,160 --> 01:25:48,920 Speaker 1: he was down there and he was in a session, 1889 01:25:48,960 --> 01:25:51,639 Speaker 1: and you know he's walking around. He was like, Yo, 1890 01:25:51,800 --> 01:25:53,479 Speaker 1: put that on. I got I got a hook for that. 1891 01:25:53,760 --> 01:25:55,720 Speaker 1: So he comes up to me and just start, Uh, 1892 01:25:56,840 --> 01:26:03,120 Speaker 1: I'm Cannon. That was the original person that really came 1893 01:26:03,240 --> 01:26:06,479 Speaker 1: up with the hook, but it wasn't. He did something 1894 01:26:06,560 --> 01:26:08,800 Speaker 1: totally different, but it was in the room, you know 1895 01:26:08,840 --> 01:26:12,120 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Then I think it got to Bohagen 1896 01:26:12,160 --> 01:26:15,040 Speaker 1: because we had the same manager at one time and 1897 01:26:15,080 --> 01:26:17,240 Speaker 1: Bohagen it was supposed to be on to Bohagen's records, 1898 01:26:17,280 --> 01:26:19,960 Speaker 1: And then I think that moved into Buster doing a 1899 01:26:20,080 --> 01:26:23,160 Speaker 1: verse on it, and then we're going to Wayne to 1900 01:26:23,200 --> 01:26:25,760 Speaker 1: get diverse. And when I heard of Wayne Ver, he 1901 01:26:25,800 --> 01:26:27,400 Speaker 1: did the whole beat all the way through. It was 1902 01:26:27,439 --> 01:26:30,360 Speaker 1: like three minutes, and we chopped it up to make 1903 01:26:30,400 --> 01:26:32,160 Speaker 1: a verse. You know what I mean, It was a 1904 01:26:32,200 --> 01:26:35,800 Speaker 1: hook in it. He came back then boys pussy boning 1905 01:26:35,840 --> 01:26:37,400 Speaker 1: out of backbone. That was his second verse. 1906 01:26:37,760 --> 01:26:38,960 Speaker 4: Okay, you know what I mean. 1907 01:26:39,280 --> 01:26:42,120 Speaker 1: We just took the hook outs, put it together, made 1908 01:26:42,120 --> 01:26:45,439 Speaker 1: it a verse, and I was like, man, I don't 1909 01:26:45,439 --> 01:26:47,000 Speaker 1: know if anybody else is going to be able to 1910 01:26:47,040 --> 01:26:48,960 Speaker 1: kill this beat, you know what I'm saying. Like he did, 1911 01:26:49,000 --> 01:26:51,160 Speaker 1: and it was amazing to hear. But one thing we 1912 01:26:51,200 --> 01:26:52,920 Speaker 1: did with Wayne to every time every time we sent 1913 01:26:53,000 --> 01:26:56,160 Speaker 1: them something, he took it seriously and murdered it, you 1914 01:26:56,240 --> 01:26:58,120 Speaker 1: know what I mean. So when I heard that, I 1915 01:26:58,200 --> 01:26:58,639 Speaker 1: was like. 1916 01:26:58,920 --> 01:27:00,760 Speaker 2: Yo, a lot of people say that about Wayne, like 1917 01:27:00,760 --> 01:27:03,120 Speaker 2: he's one of those guys that as big of an 1918 01:27:03,200 --> 01:27:06,680 Speaker 2: artist and superstar as he is, they really don't expect 1919 01:27:06,680 --> 01:27:10,080 Speaker 2: to get the verse back as quick as they do. Like, Yo, 1920 01:27:10,120 --> 01:27:11,800 Speaker 2: Wayne sent it back like he. 1921 01:27:11,800 --> 01:27:14,120 Speaker 1: Sends it right back. Yeah, he's a student game. Like 1922 01:27:14,120 --> 01:27:16,040 Speaker 1: we could go on and on up until now. He 1923 01:27:16,120 --> 01:27:18,000 Speaker 1: still sends things right back. 1924 01:27:18,479 --> 01:27:22,880 Speaker 4: Period. So that's the That's the best beat, the worst 1925 01:27:22,880 --> 01:27:25,559 Speaker 4: beat that I ever made that I probably didn't like. 1926 01:27:26,120 --> 01:27:28,120 Speaker 3: Well, not not worst beat you're ever made, worst beat 1927 01:27:28,960 --> 01:27:33,599 Speaker 3: that's universally loved type thing, because I'm every producer has 1928 01:27:33,640 --> 01:27:35,400 Speaker 3: a bunch of beats that have never seen the light 1929 01:27:35,479 --> 01:27:38,240 Speaker 3: of day that you would think are the worst beats. 1930 01:27:38,240 --> 01:27:40,920 Speaker 3: But what's something that like we all love and you're like, fam, 1931 01:27:41,000 --> 01:27:41,600 Speaker 3: I hate that. 1932 01:27:41,800 --> 01:27:43,200 Speaker 4: Oh somebody else's beat too. 1933 01:27:43,439 --> 01:27:45,320 Speaker 3: Well, I no, No, if you want a debate, let's. 1934 01:27:45,120 --> 01:27:49,599 Speaker 1: Do it my my beat. 1935 01:27:50,360 --> 01:27:50,679 Speaker 4: I can't. 1936 01:27:50,720 --> 01:27:55,360 Speaker 1: I don't have one because there's some that all of 1937 01:27:55,400 --> 01:27:57,519 Speaker 1: the beats, there's something in there that I did that. 1938 01:27:57,560 --> 01:27:59,040 Speaker 1: I was like, I hear it, and like, man, I 1939 01:27:59,040 --> 01:28:02,040 Speaker 1: wish I had to put that aways did that kick, 1940 01:28:02,080 --> 01:28:03,960 Speaker 1: So it's hard for me to it's hard for me 1941 01:28:04,000 --> 01:28:06,280 Speaker 1: to save for those. But any other beat I might 1942 01:28:06,280 --> 01:28:09,559 Speaker 1: have heard, maybe it been like when I first heard it, 1943 01:28:09,640 --> 01:28:10,320 Speaker 1: I didn't like. 1944 01:28:12,120 --> 01:28:16,000 Speaker 4: I didn't I didn't like. Uh uh uh. I think 1945 01:28:16,000 --> 01:28:19,479 Speaker 4: it was Silk the Shocker, uh what was the name 1946 01:28:19,520 --> 01:28:20,400 Speaker 4: of the song man? 1947 01:28:21,200 --> 01:28:22,880 Speaker 3: Underrated the Horse? 1948 01:28:26,080 --> 01:28:28,200 Speaker 4: I think that was the most amateur beat that at 1949 01:28:28,200 --> 01:28:28,599 Speaker 4: that time. 1950 01:28:29,200 --> 01:28:32,639 Speaker 1: But it proved me wrong because I heard it before 1951 01:28:32,640 --> 01:28:34,160 Speaker 1: it was hitting the club, and when it hit the club, 1952 01:28:34,200 --> 01:28:35,920 Speaker 1: I had to play it. I was like, oh, yeah, 1953 01:28:36,280 --> 01:28:39,360 Speaker 1: now I understand what what am I talking about? And 1954 01:28:39,400 --> 01:28:41,680 Speaker 1: you know, being from North naturally, we're not gonna like 1955 01:28:41,760 --> 01:28:43,200 Speaker 1: a lot of stuff, and we're. 1956 01:28:43,040 --> 01:28:46,160 Speaker 4: Just like, no, it has to do this, it has 1957 01:28:46,200 --> 01:28:46,840 Speaker 4: to go like this. 1958 01:28:47,240 --> 01:28:51,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, And uh, my guy no Ide told me this 1959 01:28:51,240 --> 01:28:53,920 Speaker 1: story about how he was in the Apple Store and 1960 01:28:54,080 --> 01:28:57,160 Speaker 1: how the girl just was like, we have the privilege 1961 01:28:57,200 --> 01:29:00,240 Speaker 1: to make records better, so our judgment is the ferent, 1962 01:29:00,840 --> 01:29:01,439 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. 1963 01:29:01,560 --> 01:29:04,960 Speaker 4: Then then yeah, what. 1964 01:29:04,960 --> 01:29:06,920 Speaker 1: She would think, she's just a fan. She doesn't have 1965 01:29:06,960 --> 01:29:08,479 Speaker 1: the ability. She's like, you know, I don't have the 1966 01:29:08,479 --> 01:29:11,160 Speaker 1: ability to make this better. It's all we have we 1967 01:29:11,280 --> 01:29:13,040 Speaker 1: like it and it's a classic in my brain. 1968 01:29:13,479 --> 01:29:15,960 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, we had that's a great respectility to. 1969 01:29:15,840 --> 01:29:18,200 Speaker 4: Make things better, So our judgment goes far beyond how 1970 01:29:18,240 --> 01:29:18,559 Speaker 4: they think. 1971 01:29:18,640 --> 01:29:20,000 Speaker 2: Absolutely, you know what I mean. 1972 01:29:20,720 --> 01:29:24,080 Speaker 3: What was it like the day three Stacks sent back 1973 01:29:24,120 --> 01:29:27,519 Speaker 3: his verse for Art and Storytelling Part four? And what 1974 01:29:27,640 --> 01:29:30,760 Speaker 3: was it like to be part of the legacy of 1975 01:29:31,240 --> 01:29:31,599 Speaker 3: the art? 1976 01:29:31,880 --> 01:29:33,519 Speaker 4: Am amazing. 1977 01:29:33,600 --> 01:29:37,439 Speaker 1: Now, when I made the beat, it was just which 1978 01:29:37,479 --> 01:29:39,760 Speaker 1: is really different because it was the first beat I 1979 01:29:39,800 --> 01:29:42,519 Speaker 1: had made playing chords. I think at first the motive 1980 01:29:42,560 --> 01:29:44,960 Speaker 1: fat first came out the chords are beautiful, and I 1981 01:29:45,280 --> 01:29:47,400 Speaker 1: bought it and I just I just put it up 1982 01:29:47,439 --> 01:29:48,800 Speaker 1: on the man. I was like, bro, I'm really about 1983 01:29:48,840 --> 01:29:51,519 Speaker 1: to play the keyboard. I've been sampling my whole life. Yeah, 1984 01:29:51,560 --> 01:29:55,040 Speaker 1: so me just messing around with sounds, and all I 1985 01:29:55,080 --> 01:29:55,960 Speaker 1: thought was Ryan. 1986 01:29:55,840 --> 01:29:58,800 Speaker 4: Leslie because I'm like, Ryan Leslie. 1987 01:29:58,680 --> 01:30:02,720 Speaker 1: Needs the dude when it comes to just coming up 1988 01:30:02,760 --> 01:30:04,040 Speaker 1: with chords effortlessly. 1989 01:30:04,800 --> 01:30:04,960 Speaker 4: Right. 1990 01:30:05,560 --> 01:30:08,240 Speaker 1: The second part was like Pharrell, and it was like 1991 01:30:08,640 --> 01:30:13,679 Speaker 1: those chords were between Ryan Leslie and Pharrell chords. 1992 01:30:13,720 --> 01:30:14,360 Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. 1993 01:30:14,479 --> 01:30:16,720 Speaker 3: Okay, I love those chords so much and would have 1994 01:30:16,880 --> 01:30:19,280 Speaker 3: never equated that to Ryan Lesley until you just said that. 1995 01:30:19,320 --> 01:30:21,559 Speaker 3: Now they are very much Ryan le Yeah. 1996 01:30:21,439 --> 01:30:28,400 Speaker 4: So think about think about my DuMond like so, think 1997 01:30:28,439 --> 01:30:31,679 Speaker 4: about like storytelling the sound of it. It wasn't the same. 1998 01:30:31,840 --> 01:30:34,880 Speaker 3: It's just such a lower note that Ryan Leslie wouldn't use. 1999 01:30:35,160 --> 01:30:36,000 Speaker 3: That's where I didn't. 2000 01:30:36,439 --> 01:30:38,960 Speaker 1: So then it's like early Pharrell when he started when 2001 01:30:39,000 --> 01:30:41,320 Speaker 1: they when him and the Neptunes got out of the stabs, 2002 01:30:41,680 --> 01:30:44,120 Speaker 1: then they started going excuse me missing It was a 2003 01:30:44,160 --> 01:30:45,000 Speaker 1: lot more chords. 2004 01:30:45,680 --> 01:30:45,800 Speaker 5: Uh. 2005 01:30:46,560 --> 01:30:47,760 Speaker 4: I was thinking that in my brain. 2006 01:30:47,800 --> 01:30:51,040 Speaker 1: So I was like, bro, samples are taking so much money, 2007 01:30:51,120 --> 01:30:53,719 Speaker 1: we're going to do a pack where you're just playing. 2008 01:30:54,240 --> 01:30:56,280 Speaker 4: So I just played it. Uh. 2009 01:30:56,479 --> 01:31:00,920 Speaker 1: I think if I can remember it well, I took drum, 2010 01:31:01,200 --> 01:31:05,800 Speaker 1: sent the record to Andre and he was working on it. 2011 01:31:05,800 --> 01:31:07,720 Speaker 1: Every time you hit him like he's like, yo, so 2012 01:31:07,920 --> 01:31:10,360 Speaker 1: the verse coming along? He's like yeah, slowly but surely. 2013 01:31:11,680 --> 01:31:15,719 Speaker 1: And I remember taking the beat to Stink on You 2014 01:31:15,800 --> 01:31:19,080 Speaker 1: to Big Boy, and I think how I did to 2015 01:31:19,240 --> 01:31:20,840 Speaker 1: rile him up. I was like, yeah, you know dragon 2016 01:31:20,960 --> 01:31:22,519 Speaker 1: on this or I don't know if you heard. I 2017 01:31:22,560 --> 01:31:24,599 Speaker 1: don't know, I can't remember if you heard the verse 2018 01:31:24,680 --> 01:31:25,840 Speaker 1: or he knew the verse was coming. 2019 01:31:26,120 --> 01:31:27,000 Speaker 4: And I was just sitting in there. 2020 01:31:27,040 --> 01:31:29,559 Speaker 1: I remember just taking a beat to Big Boy and 2021 01:31:29,640 --> 01:31:31,639 Speaker 1: have him do the verse, and I was excited because 2022 01:31:31,640 --> 01:31:34,040 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, maybe maybe he did hear the verse 2023 01:31:34,080 --> 01:31:34,799 Speaker 1: and got excited. 2024 01:31:34,840 --> 01:31:36,000 Speaker 4: Maybe I took the verse. 2025 01:31:36,439 --> 01:31:40,679 Speaker 1: However it played out, but I remember being in Stink 2026 01:31:40,720 --> 01:31:43,360 Speaker 1: on You with Big Boy heard it. You know, he 2027 01:31:43,439 --> 01:31:45,880 Speaker 1: had to. You had to love the blunt or whatever 2028 01:31:46,680 --> 01:31:50,519 Speaker 1: walking around. He's just blacking them off like he's just 2029 01:31:51,040 --> 01:31:53,800 Speaker 1: proving and he's just in the booth. And yeah, I'm 2030 01:31:53,840 --> 01:31:56,120 Speaker 1: thankful for that record because I was part of the 2031 01:31:56,200 --> 01:31:59,680 Speaker 1: last couple of Outcast records. It wasn't like on a 2032 01:31:59,800 --> 01:32:01,920 Speaker 1: damn you know what I mean. It was it was 2033 01:32:01,960 --> 01:32:03,920 Speaker 1: still here, man, you got one in. 2034 01:32:04,240 --> 01:32:06,799 Speaker 4: Yeah, and I'm thankful that I was able to complete 2035 01:32:06,800 --> 01:32:09,160 Speaker 4: a trilogy in my mind, like I was able to 2036 01:32:09,240 --> 01:32:10,360 Speaker 4: do an Outcast record. 2037 01:32:10,880 --> 01:32:12,920 Speaker 1: I did a record with Jay you know what I'm saying, 2038 01:32:13,160 --> 01:32:15,800 Speaker 1: And I just did so many great talented things. It's 2039 01:32:15,840 --> 01:32:17,800 Speaker 1: like the cannon beat and to go crazy beat. I 2040 01:32:17,840 --> 01:32:22,120 Speaker 1: probably worked with every artist ever because he freaked out. 2041 01:32:21,920 --> 01:32:22,360 Speaker 4: On that beat. 2042 01:32:22,760 --> 01:32:24,280 Speaker 3: Well not Ice Spice yet, but not not. 2043 01:32:25,880 --> 01:32:29,880 Speaker 4: They might Hey, let's sample that record, sample that record. 2044 01:32:31,080 --> 01:32:34,400 Speaker 3: No, that's such a great point too, that because so 2045 01:32:34,439 --> 01:32:36,760 Speaker 3: many times when groups are about to split up, whether 2046 01:32:36,880 --> 01:32:39,240 Speaker 3: good or bad, I mean, of course Outcasts is still friends. 2047 01:32:39,560 --> 01:32:43,080 Speaker 3: Those last few records are never that good, Yeah, especially 2048 01:32:44,080 --> 01:32:46,639 Speaker 3: especially off the series that, like we talk about Drake 2049 01:32:46,720 --> 01:32:52,000 Speaker 3: Timestamp Records. Artist storytelling is that for Outcasts, so to 2050 01:32:52,040 --> 01:32:54,519 Speaker 3: be part of that and it not that trash and 2051 01:32:54,560 --> 01:32:58,360 Speaker 3: it be elevated like it was storytelling, like it was 2052 01:32:58,439 --> 01:33:01,400 Speaker 3: partly part of that is that we loved. 2053 01:33:01,200 --> 01:33:03,400 Speaker 2: Absolutely you could fuck this whole thing. 2054 01:33:03,320 --> 01:33:04,479 Speaker 4: Before, right, was there a three? 2055 01:33:04,520 --> 01:33:08,160 Speaker 3: There was a three? It exists, but it's not like 2056 01:33:08,280 --> 01:33:08,880 Speaker 3: on any album. 2057 01:33:08,880 --> 01:33:09,599 Speaker 2: Who did three? 2058 01:33:09,800 --> 01:33:11,439 Speaker 3: I don't know who it. 2059 01:33:11,600 --> 01:33:13,320 Speaker 4: Just I think it was one, two and then went 2060 01:33:13,360 --> 01:33:13,679 Speaker 4: to four. 2061 01:33:14,360 --> 01:33:17,080 Speaker 3: But it might be No, No, there's a three somewhere. 2062 01:33:17,400 --> 01:33:18,839 Speaker 3: Definitely is the three trumpet? 2063 01:33:18,840 --> 01:33:19,439 Speaker 4: I went the four? 2064 01:33:19,640 --> 01:33:21,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, three. 2065 01:33:20,920 --> 01:33:23,519 Speaker 3: Might be some type of Rico way beat or some ship. 2066 01:33:23,960 --> 01:33:26,320 Speaker 3: It might be yeah, I don't know, we can look 2067 01:33:26,320 --> 01:33:30,160 Speaker 3: that up, but no, artist storytelling. Four is my ship. 2068 01:33:30,439 --> 01:33:32,599 Speaker 3: I mean, I still think three Stacks should just sucked her. 2069 01:33:32,600 --> 01:33:37,280 Speaker 3: I think he was being a little dramatic, but like, 2070 01:33:37,320 --> 01:33:39,519 Speaker 3: come on, man, like she's already here. 2071 01:33:40,200 --> 01:33:42,240 Speaker 4: That's true, that's true, all right. 2072 01:33:42,200 --> 01:33:44,720 Speaker 3: And they're probably gonna break up once she goes home. 2073 01:33:44,880 --> 01:33:46,880 Speaker 3: She was definitely late, definitely just late. 2074 01:33:47,439 --> 01:33:49,120 Speaker 2: All right, So before we get out of here, man, 2075 01:33:49,160 --> 01:33:51,840 Speaker 2: I can't let you leave without us. I don't want 2076 01:33:51,880 --> 01:33:55,439 Speaker 2: to debate you on this. Yes, more debate on this, man. 2077 01:33:56,320 --> 01:34:02,840 Speaker 2: But since we've last debated, Lebron is coming up on 2078 01:34:02,880 --> 01:34:05,680 Speaker 2: the old time scoring record, sir, And I'm sure that's 2079 01:34:05,720 --> 01:34:08,360 Speaker 2: another notch. And you had for your argument that he's 2080 01:34:08,400 --> 01:34:12,680 Speaker 2: the greatest ever. And did you go to the game 2081 01:34:12,680 --> 01:34:13,479 Speaker 2: when it was in Atlanta? 2082 01:34:13,760 --> 01:34:17,080 Speaker 1: I didn't. I was actually out of town. I was 2083 01:34:17,120 --> 01:34:18,719 Speaker 1: in uh I think I was in Miami. 2084 01:34:18,800 --> 01:34:24,120 Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, so we had a heated debate, yep, for hours. 2085 01:34:24,560 --> 01:34:28,160 Speaker 2: Who's the goat, Michael Jordan, Lebron James? And Lebron is 2086 01:34:28,200 --> 01:34:30,280 Speaker 2: coming up as the whole time we to score a huge, 2087 01:34:30,360 --> 01:34:34,800 Speaker 2: huge accomplishment for him. So for the last time, I 2088 01:34:34,880 --> 01:34:36,600 Speaker 2: also want to end it here. I just want to 2089 01:34:36,640 --> 01:34:40,240 Speaker 2: end here between me and Don and Don will never 2090 01:34:40,320 --> 01:34:45,679 Speaker 2: debate this again. Yeah, the greatest ever in your opinion 2091 01:34:45,920 --> 01:34:47,400 Speaker 2: is Lebron James. 2092 01:34:47,760 --> 01:34:51,280 Speaker 4: And why can I give them the story? 2093 01:34:51,320 --> 01:34:52,280 Speaker 2: Though? Bro? Give them the story? 2094 01:34:52,320 --> 01:34:56,440 Speaker 4: Okay. So so first and foremost, I'm Kobe period. 2095 01:34:56,080 --> 01:34:58,479 Speaker 2: Absolutely, which I don't know why people more people don't 2096 01:34:58,479 --> 01:35:00,280 Speaker 2: put Kobe number two behind my what. 2097 01:35:00,600 --> 01:35:02,559 Speaker 1: For a long time it was that and then I 2098 01:35:02,600 --> 01:35:04,559 Speaker 1: moved in the Bronx. But the story goes for me. 2099 01:35:05,160 --> 01:35:08,599 Speaker 1: Just so people know and don't get it construed. This 2100 01:35:08,680 --> 01:35:11,880 Speaker 1: is what happened. When I was growing up. I was 2101 01:35:11,920 --> 01:35:15,320 Speaker 1: a Charles Barkley fan and a Shack fan. I don't 2102 01:35:15,360 --> 01:35:17,920 Speaker 1: know how I missed the Jordan part. I don't know, 2103 01:35:18,040 --> 01:35:24,160 Speaker 1: but but he I understood what he was and he 2104 01:35:24,280 --> 01:35:24,679 Speaker 1: was great. 2105 01:35:24,760 --> 01:35:28,160 Speaker 4: I'm not debating that. And what he did was unmerciful, 2106 01:35:28,760 --> 01:35:29,320 Speaker 4: you know what I mean. 2107 01:35:30,479 --> 01:35:32,800 Speaker 1: But being that I was a Charles Barkley fan and 2108 01:35:32,800 --> 01:35:35,000 Speaker 1: a Shack fan, maybe because I was trying to play 2109 01:35:35,040 --> 01:35:36,200 Speaker 1: center power for it, I don't know. 2110 01:35:36,280 --> 01:35:37,640 Speaker 4: Man, it was a guard. 2111 01:35:39,240 --> 01:35:41,920 Speaker 1: But I didn't get a chance to get that, and 2112 01:35:41,960 --> 01:35:46,400 Speaker 1: I felt like being in the baiter young everybody like 2113 01:35:46,479 --> 01:35:48,599 Speaker 1: Michael Jordan, So I wanted to go against the grain, 2114 01:35:48,960 --> 01:35:52,519 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, to be like, Yo, it's Shack, 2115 01:35:53,080 --> 01:35:58,320 Speaker 1: it's Charles Barkley's better than Michael Jordan. Now what they're like, Well, 2116 01:35:58,360 --> 01:36:01,000 Speaker 1: you wear Michael Jordan's shoes. I wear was Barkley shoes too. 2117 01:36:01,520 --> 01:36:04,120 Speaker 1: First first shoe I bought was a Barkley and I 2118 01:36:04,120 --> 01:36:06,920 Speaker 1: didn't get to Jordan. But the dinosaur teeth joint, you 2119 01:36:06,960 --> 01:36:09,040 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And I didn't get to Jordan. 2120 01:36:09,160 --> 01:36:12,400 Speaker 1: People was at school like bro and for that, for 2121 01:36:12,479 --> 01:36:15,400 Speaker 1: the life of it, I didn't. Since some people loved 2122 01:36:15,439 --> 01:36:17,840 Speaker 1: Michael Jordan so much, I went and bought pennies. I 2123 01:36:17,880 --> 01:36:20,440 Speaker 1: went and bought I had coz by Kazi's. 2124 01:36:20,040 --> 01:36:22,960 Speaker 2: Brokay, So okay, So now I understand where it stems. 2125 01:36:23,120 --> 01:36:26,960 Speaker 1: So it starts there and then being at me watching 2126 01:36:27,040 --> 01:36:29,200 Speaker 1: Kobe play or playing against him or playing on the 2127 01:36:29,240 --> 01:36:34,840 Speaker 1: same team in those leagues. That made me follow his 2128 01:36:34,960 --> 01:36:37,560 Speaker 1: path because I was like, hey, I'm stopping playing basketball, 2129 01:36:37,800 --> 01:36:41,080 Speaker 1: but I'm watching him win a championship very young. That 2130 01:36:41,120 --> 01:36:43,639 Speaker 1: resonated with me. The first time that happened, I feel 2131 01:36:43,680 --> 01:36:46,400 Speaker 1: like I cried because I put it in the same 2132 01:36:46,560 --> 01:36:49,760 Speaker 1: space as me getting a Grammy at the moment or 2133 01:36:50,080 --> 01:36:53,040 Speaker 1: not getting there yet. Took me seven years to get 2134 01:36:53,080 --> 01:36:55,920 Speaker 1: to go to crazy from where I first started as 2135 01:36:55,920 --> 01:36:59,519 Speaker 1: an adult making music, and I've watched it. So I 2136 01:36:59,600 --> 01:37:03,800 Speaker 1: walked with him. And then along came Lebron, the. 2137 01:37:03,840 --> 01:37:12,559 Speaker 3: Actual glut long came as you can see him. 2138 01:37:09,720 --> 01:37:14,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't what I want to do in this 2139 01:37:14,240 --> 01:37:17,360 Speaker 1: debate too. I don't want to. I don't want to 2140 01:37:17,400 --> 01:37:20,200 Speaker 1: say because he's going to be the best score ever 2141 01:37:21,040 --> 01:37:23,880 Speaker 1: that there's nothing else to talk about. I want this 2142 01:37:23,960 --> 01:37:26,040 Speaker 1: to live on. I want this to be the tupac 2143 01:37:26,640 --> 01:37:32,599 Speaker 1: Uh Biggie jay z Nas conversation forever. But I do 2144 01:37:32,680 --> 01:37:36,479 Speaker 1: want to say I looking back at my childhood and 2145 01:37:36,600 --> 01:37:40,080 Speaker 1: identifying it's probably because of who. 2146 01:37:39,920 --> 01:37:40,680 Speaker 4: I was a fan of. 2147 01:37:41,400 --> 01:37:44,160 Speaker 1: For like, I would put anybody before Jordan then, and 2148 01:37:44,200 --> 01:37:45,760 Speaker 1: it wasn't a hate thing. It was just like bro 2149 01:37:45,920 --> 01:37:47,080 Speaker 1: y'all like him too much. 2150 01:37:47,640 --> 01:37:49,320 Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying that's gonna hate. 2151 01:37:50,960 --> 01:37:52,120 Speaker 3: Might be actually. 2152 01:37:51,920 --> 01:37:58,559 Speaker 4: Exactly, but I put Alja on the front. 2153 01:37:58,560 --> 01:38:01,519 Speaker 1: When he started to bring up like he's burning Berkeley 2154 01:38:01,760 --> 01:38:03,559 Speaker 1: and him, I said, well, he ain't better than jo 2155 01:38:04,320 --> 01:38:04,799 Speaker 1: he ain't. 2156 01:38:04,640 --> 01:38:05,320 Speaker 4: Better than burn. 2157 01:38:05,840 --> 01:38:09,360 Speaker 1: What I was like anybody? I didn't say, Patrick, you say. 2158 01:38:09,520 --> 01:38:11,080 Speaker 1: I didn't want to be thank you, thank you for 2159 01:38:11,120 --> 01:38:13,760 Speaker 1: not doing that, Patrick fire. But I didn't want to. 2160 01:38:14,200 --> 01:38:16,840 Speaker 1: I didn't want to be disrespectful. Yeah, but I wanted 2161 01:38:16,880 --> 01:38:19,400 Speaker 1: to be this where the debating came from. It started 2162 01:38:19,439 --> 01:38:23,800 Speaker 1: there Okay, Yeah, but if we're going to leave this conversation. 2163 01:38:23,400 --> 01:38:24,320 Speaker 4: Now, just leave it. 2164 01:38:24,400 --> 01:38:26,479 Speaker 1: Yeah, if I ever met I met Michael Jordan's few 2165 01:38:26,479 --> 01:38:30,240 Speaker 1: times in the club or whatever. But if there is 2166 01:38:30,320 --> 01:38:34,200 Speaker 1: a chance that we ever get back into the room 2167 01:38:34,400 --> 01:38:37,160 Speaker 1: and it's private, yeah, I'm going to tell him to 2168 01:38:37,240 --> 01:38:39,840 Speaker 1: his face that Lebron is better than You're not. I 2169 01:38:39,960 --> 01:38:42,479 Speaker 1: tell you you're the biggest Michael Jordan fan. 2170 01:38:42,560 --> 01:38:43,920 Speaker 4: That matter of fact, I messed up. 2171 01:38:43,960 --> 01:38:45,800 Speaker 1: I was supposed to bring you all my Michael Jordan 2172 01:38:45,880 --> 01:38:48,040 Speaker 1: you were and I'm mad and this and that's what 2173 01:38:48,080 --> 01:38:49,920 Speaker 1: I'm saying. I'm still a fan of Mike. I still 2174 01:38:49,960 --> 01:38:51,680 Speaker 1: got the dolls, I still got the sneaks, I got 2175 01:38:51,680 --> 01:38:54,200 Speaker 1: the jerseys. I got a lot of Mike stuff in 2176 01:38:54,280 --> 01:38:58,400 Speaker 1: my crib, and I wanted to bring much I got 2177 01:38:59,560 --> 01:39:02,080 Speaker 1: over over time. I had maybe twenty twenty five pair 2178 01:39:02,080 --> 01:39:04,639 Speaker 1: of his sneakers. Right now, I only got five pair. 2179 01:39:05,600 --> 01:39:10,040 Speaker 1: Uh the retros. I got a Lebron dog, got Lebron 2180 01:39:10,080 --> 01:39:15,280 Speaker 1: Wheati's box. Uh I got I got a couple of things. 2181 01:39:15,320 --> 01:39:17,400 Speaker 1: I got some jerseys, but I think I got more 2182 01:39:17,479 --> 01:39:19,880 Speaker 1: Kobe stuff. I got a Kobe I mean naturally, I 2183 01:39:19,920 --> 01:39:23,759 Speaker 1: got all the newspapers. I got the doll of course, 2184 01:39:23,800 --> 01:39:26,600 Speaker 1: I got all the jerseys. I've had the sneaks. But 2185 01:39:26,640 --> 01:39:30,960 Speaker 1: I think I've got more more stuff, honestly with Kobe 2186 01:39:31,000 --> 01:39:32,000 Speaker 1: than I got with either. 2187 01:39:32,360 --> 01:39:36,160 Speaker 4: But I'm gonna mail do that. I would gladly the stuff. 2188 01:39:36,160 --> 01:39:38,439 Speaker 2: Because Michael Jordan is the greatest basketball player of all time. 2189 01:39:38,439 --> 01:39:39,200 Speaker 4: Who's the greatest. 2190 01:39:40,080 --> 01:39:44,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, you can tell Pistol Pete. 2191 01:39:45,400 --> 01:39:46,840 Speaker 1: So you know, when they come in and get in 2192 01:39:46,880 --> 01:39:48,760 Speaker 1: the comments and anybody wanted the Bay movie, I can 2193 01:39:48,800 --> 01:39:49,560 Speaker 1: go forever. 2194 01:39:49,439 --> 01:39:52,519 Speaker 2: But no, listen, that was one of the most Julian 2195 01:39:52,600 --> 01:39:55,800 Speaker 2: always brings. He talks about it, He's like, yo, y'all 2196 01:39:55,880 --> 01:39:58,240 Speaker 2: was going crazy, and then I was talking about that. 2197 01:39:58,400 --> 01:40:01,559 Speaker 5: One of my favorite memories is him just putting his 2198 01:40:01,560 --> 01:40:05,080 Speaker 5: feet on Lake's desk, just holding court. 2199 01:40:06,560 --> 01:40:07,480 Speaker 2: Smacks. 2200 01:40:08,160 --> 01:40:11,519 Speaker 4: Not just he was he was boiling his blood. 2201 01:40:11,560 --> 01:40:15,200 Speaker 3: Was so funny is we were in Lake's office and 2202 01:40:15,280 --> 01:40:17,679 Speaker 3: Lake was in the office and it all went. 2203 01:40:19,240 --> 01:40:21,160 Speaker 2: Because you know, it's like when you're talking about Mike, 2204 01:40:21,200 --> 01:40:23,320 Speaker 2: it's like, hold on, man, let me take center stage 2205 01:40:23,360 --> 01:40:25,800 Speaker 2: because you it's just a disrespect. I just can't. 2206 01:40:25,880 --> 01:40:27,920 Speaker 4: I think you're the biggest Mike fan ever. 2207 01:40:27,960 --> 01:40:28,080 Speaker 6: Bro. 2208 01:40:28,200 --> 01:40:30,240 Speaker 2: I think I ever, I think there's. 2209 01:40:30,040 --> 01:40:32,680 Speaker 1: So many people that I've had this debate with, But 2210 01:40:33,360 --> 01:40:36,439 Speaker 1: one thing I respect about you is you have every 2211 01:40:36,640 --> 01:40:37,760 Speaker 1: fact down. 2212 01:40:37,600 --> 01:40:40,280 Speaker 4: Absolutely, you have every little piece down. 2213 01:40:40,360 --> 01:40:42,960 Speaker 1: So it's likely I can't argue with that because I 2214 01:40:42,960 --> 01:40:44,799 Speaker 1: can't tell you every little piece of Lebron. 2215 01:40:44,840 --> 01:40:46,479 Speaker 4: I can't tell you every little piece of nobody. 2216 01:40:46,880 --> 01:40:50,720 Speaker 2: Lebron is one of the greatest. Uh. I told you, 2217 01:40:50,760 --> 01:40:52,679 Speaker 2: I love Lebron more for what he did off the court. 2218 01:40:53,080 --> 01:40:55,679 Speaker 2: The way he empowered his his crew, his friends, his family. 2219 01:40:56,040 --> 01:40:58,479 Speaker 2: To me, that's you know, that makes him to go 2220 01:40:58,640 --> 01:41:00,320 Speaker 2: for me, I'm just talking about on the court. 2221 01:41:01,560 --> 01:41:04,599 Speaker 1: But Mike was just what was on the court for Lebron? 2222 01:41:04,760 --> 01:41:07,160 Speaker 1: What part was he missing? Heart? 2223 01:41:07,200 --> 01:41:07,479 Speaker 4: Of heart? 2224 01:41:07,640 --> 01:41:09,360 Speaker 2: Was no. The one thing, the one thing for me 2225 01:41:09,400 --> 01:41:11,960 Speaker 2: that Lebron to me, what I can't have him as 2226 01:41:12,000 --> 01:41:14,000 Speaker 2: the greatest of all time is you can't let a 2227 01:41:14,040 --> 01:41:16,479 Speaker 2: player that's coming off the bench average more than you 2228 01:41:16,520 --> 01:41:19,439 Speaker 2: in the finals, gotcha, you just it just can't happen 2229 01:41:19,479 --> 01:41:22,120 Speaker 2: to the goat that's the great one of the greats. 2230 01:41:22,600 --> 01:41:25,800 Speaker 2: It could happen to, but the one it can't happen. 2231 01:41:25,800 --> 01:41:26,840 Speaker 4: Okay, So what's the five? 2232 01:41:27,880 --> 01:41:37,519 Speaker 2: My five? Mike Cole shaq kareem uh Steph Curry? 2233 01:41:38,160 --> 01:41:40,720 Speaker 4: Damn? You see the disrespect right here? 2234 01:41:40,960 --> 01:41:41,280 Speaker 2: How's that? 2235 01:41:41,320 --> 01:41:42,679 Speaker 4: This was? Where is Lebron fall? 2236 01:41:43,080 --> 01:41:46,719 Speaker 2: Lebron's probably I put probably Bron six bird seven? 2237 01:41:49,760 --> 01:41:53,720 Speaker 4: Yeah? Facts? Can we go to ten? Give me the 2238 01:41:53,800 --> 01:41:56,479 Speaker 4: last four? I just won't see if it gets really 2239 01:41:56,520 --> 01:41:57,280 Speaker 4: disrespectful of this? 2240 01:41:57,439 --> 01:41:58,240 Speaker 2: How was that disrespect? 2241 01:41:58,240 --> 01:41:58,479 Speaker 4: All right? 2242 01:41:58,520 --> 01:41:59,840 Speaker 2: So let's talk about Steph Curry for a second. 2243 01:42:00,160 --> 01:42:01,320 Speaker 4: Curry is wonderful. 2244 01:42:01,479 --> 01:42:05,560 Speaker 2: He has dominated Lebron. That's a fact. In finals champ matchups, 2245 01:42:06,240 --> 01:42:09,360 Speaker 2: he beat Lebron three times, three to one. That's a fact. 2246 01:42:10,080 --> 01:42:11,599 Speaker 4: And they should have won though four. This is where 2247 01:42:11,640 --> 01:42:12,880 Speaker 4: I can't argue he has all the facts. 2248 01:42:12,880 --> 01:42:16,320 Speaker 2: But good Steph Curry. Steph Curry has changed the game 2249 01:42:16,360 --> 01:42:19,639 Speaker 2: of basketball globally. Yes, sir, sinners are shooting threes now 2250 01:42:19,640 --> 01:42:22,120 Speaker 2: because of the way Steph Curry came into the league 2251 01:42:22,160 --> 01:42:24,120 Speaker 2: shooting like you. If you're sitting in the league and 2252 01:42:24,160 --> 01:42:26,160 Speaker 2: you can't shoot, you might not have a job because 2253 01:42:26,200 --> 01:42:26,760 Speaker 2: of Steph Curry. 2254 01:42:26,880 --> 01:42:28,160 Speaker 4: Is he more dominant than Lebron? 2255 01:42:28,240 --> 01:42:32,559 Speaker 2: Absolutely? No? What how because Lebron went ten times? Yes, 2256 01:42:32,600 --> 01:42:33,920 Speaker 2: because y'all love to hang on to that. He went 2257 01:42:33,920 --> 01:42:35,320 Speaker 2: to the finals, to the time, But how many times 2258 01:42:35,360 --> 01:42:37,200 Speaker 2: did he win? Because the name of the game is 2259 01:42:37,200 --> 01:42:39,320 Speaker 2: to win, not just get to the dance. Don't tell 2260 01:42:39,360 --> 01:42:40,880 Speaker 2: me you went to the club and got a number 2261 01:42:40,920 --> 01:42:41,320 Speaker 2: and you didn't. 2262 01:42:41,320 --> 01:42:46,559 Speaker 1: Fuck I mean, think about it, bro domination in the league. 2263 01:42:46,600 --> 01:42:49,400 Speaker 1: I don't think nobody's been as most dominating. 2264 01:42:49,400 --> 01:42:51,479 Speaker 3: Going into the club and getting to the NBA Finals 2265 01:42:51,560 --> 01:42:55,120 Speaker 3: is fucking hilarious. That that's a weird comparison. 2266 01:42:55,240 --> 01:42:56,760 Speaker 2: Don't tell me you went there, like you know what 2267 01:42:56,760 --> 01:42:59,639 Speaker 2: I mean, Like, yeah, it's like, yo, did you win? 2268 01:43:00,040 --> 01:43:02,000 Speaker 2: Because that's all you had to go to the It's 2269 01:43:02,040 --> 01:43:07,040 Speaker 2: like Michael Jordan retired at twenty nine. The first time 2270 01:43:07,040 --> 01:43:08,680 Speaker 2: he were he was twenty nine years old. Just think 2271 01:43:08,720 --> 01:43:09,120 Speaker 2: about that. 2272 01:43:09,200 --> 01:43:12,880 Speaker 3: Yep, when he kept losing in gambling, when he came back, 2273 01:43:13,360 --> 01:43:17,120 Speaker 3: when he came back, when he came back, he was 2274 01:43:17,160 --> 01:43:19,639 Speaker 3: playing in the building and it was a statue outside 2275 01:43:19,640 --> 01:43:20,479 Speaker 3: the building of him. 2276 01:43:21,040 --> 01:43:24,360 Speaker 1: Okay, so I got your five, right, Kareem. Now he's 2277 01:43:24,400 --> 01:43:26,240 Speaker 1: gonna sur passed Kareem right now? Does that put him 2278 01:43:26,240 --> 01:43:29,519 Speaker 1: in a five police who when passes Kareem? 2279 01:43:29,600 --> 01:43:33,200 Speaker 4: Yes? I mean again, when he passes career. 2280 01:43:33,160 --> 01:43:35,080 Speaker 2: I can't he's still listen. 2281 01:43:35,200 --> 01:43:38,120 Speaker 6: That means and let's be being top Being top seven 2282 01:43:38,160 --> 01:43:39,800 Speaker 6: to play an NBA is not a knock at all, 2283 01:43:40,040 --> 01:43:41,800 Speaker 6: because you know how many players come through the NBA, 2284 01:43:41,880 --> 01:43:44,800 Speaker 6: So being one of the top seventy ten is not 2285 01:43:44,880 --> 01:43:45,920 Speaker 6: a knock, gotcha. 2286 01:43:46,000 --> 01:43:49,960 Speaker 2: But the reason why I can't put Lebron above Kareem 2287 01:43:50,680 --> 01:43:53,479 Speaker 2: is because one Kareem held the title for so many 2288 01:43:53,520 --> 01:43:55,840 Speaker 2: years of score champion and I don't know how many 2289 01:43:56,680 --> 01:43:58,479 Speaker 2: so many people don't even have Kareem in their top five, 2290 01:43:58,600 --> 01:44:01,000 Speaker 2: which is disrespectful to me. Whether you didn't see him 2291 01:44:01,040 --> 01:44:03,760 Speaker 2: or you didn't know the game. He dominated every level 2292 01:44:03,800 --> 01:44:06,400 Speaker 2: of basketball, high school, college, in the NBA. 2293 01:44:06,600 --> 01:44:06,920 Speaker 4: Gotcha. 2294 01:44:07,000 --> 01:44:08,920 Speaker 2: What he had to deal with as far as just 2295 01:44:09,040 --> 01:44:10,920 Speaker 2: off the court with civil rights things and all of 2296 01:44:10,920 --> 01:44:13,160 Speaker 2: those things, that's an era that we have to factor 2297 01:44:13,160 --> 01:44:15,479 Speaker 2: And when we start talking about those legends, what they 2298 01:44:15,479 --> 01:44:18,040 Speaker 2: had to deal with off the court, right and getting 2299 01:44:18,080 --> 01:44:20,800 Speaker 2: to the arena, getting inside the arena and hotel rooms 2300 01:44:20,840 --> 01:44:22,720 Speaker 2: and things like that to still be able to go 2301 01:44:22,760 --> 01:44:24,679 Speaker 2: and dominate your sport at that level and you're dealing 2302 01:44:24,680 --> 01:44:26,800 Speaker 2: with all of these things, that's the that's these are 2303 01:44:26,800 --> 01:44:27,920 Speaker 2: all things that you have to deal with. 2304 01:44:27,960 --> 01:44:32,240 Speaker 3: What was the league like with Kareem versus Lebron's Ley. 2305 01:44:32,840 --> 01:44:35,400 Speaker 2: Oh man, it was first of all, the game the game, 2306 01:44:35,439 --> 01:44:37,759 Speaker 2: And that's another thing. The gameplay was because jord. 2307 01:44:37,600 --> 01:44:39,599 Speaker 3: And I think that's a good thing to say. But Kareem, 2308 01:44:39,640 --> 01:44:41,080 Speaker 3: I don't know if the league was the same. 2309 01:44:41,200 --> 01:44:41,519 Speaker 4: It was. 2310 01:44:41,800 --> 01:44:45,040 Speaker 2: He was the tallest player, Like he was the tallest 2311 01:44:45,080 --> 01:44:47,760 Speaker 2: player in the league. 2312 01:44:47,880 --> 01:44:50,759 Speaker 4: But his arms, both of them arms up is fifteen feet. 2313 01:44:51,040 --> 01:44:54,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, but again, he dominated. When you say dominated, was 2314 01:44:55,080 --> 01:44:57,960 Speaker 2: like he dominated. You're not going to beat him, Like 2315 01:44:58,000 --> 01:44:59,559 Speaker 2: it was like, you're not gonna beat that guy. And 2316 01:44:59,600 --> 01:45:02,000 Speaker 2: I don't feel like I don't know if it's because 2317 01:45:02,040 --> 01:45:03,880 Speaker 2: a lot of these younger players that play with Lebron 2318 01:45:04,320 --> 01:45:06,000 Speaker 2: because they're fans and they go to his camps and 2319 01:45:06,000 --> 01:45:07,320 Speaker 2: then they make it to the NBA and they're just like, 2320 01:45:07,360 --> 01:45:09,599 Speaker 2: oh shit, like I went to your camp and they're fans, 2321 01:45:09,600 --> 01:45:14,200 Speaker 2: but it's not the same level of fear like when 2322 01:45:14,280 --> 01:45:18,679 Speaker 2: Shaq walked into an arena. When Shaq was Shaq, teams 2323 01:45:18,680 --> 01:45:21,240 Speaker 2: were scared of Shaq. Teams were scared of Mike. 2324 01:45:21,560 --> 01:45:26,120 Speaker 4: We're good. We got Kobe, we got Mike, we got Bron. 2325 01:45:26,800 --> 01:45:27,479 Speaker 2: I'm not mad at that. 2326 01:45:27,560 --> 01:45:28,840 Speaker 4: Jordan Jackson Tyson listen. 2327 01:45:28,880 --> 01:45:31,360 Speaker 3: I'm not mad at nobody has projective because I hated Kobe, 2328 01:45:31,920 --> 01:45:35,639 Speaker 3: like why, I was a Knicks and and Ison fan 2329 01:45:36,600 --> 01:45:39,599 Speaker 3: so when Kobe growing up, But like I always thought 2330 01:45:39,680 --> 01:45:41,920 Speaker 3: Kobe was by far the best player I've ever watched 2331 01:45:42,000 --> 01:45:42,719 Speaker 3: my entire life. 2332 01:45:42,960 --> 01:45:47,840 Speaker 2: JD and and Puff are having a quote unquote versus 2333 01:45:47,880 --> 01:45:52,040 Speaker 2: in Atlanta, and I've had a chance to sit in 2334 01:45:52,080 --> 01:45:54,680 Speaker 2: the studio with JD and he pointed something out that 2335 01:45:54,720 --> 01:45:56,720 Speaker 2: I didn't really think about, because if you just go 2336 01:45:56,800 --> 01:46:00,840 Speaker 2: off of the initial reaction, Yo JD versus Puff, who 2337 01:46:00,920 --> 01:46:02,479 Speaker 2: you got a lot of people are gonna go Puff. 2338 01:46:03,200 --> 01:46:07,080 Speaker 2: But JD pointed something out that he has records were 2339 01:46:07,080 --> 01:46:09,639 Speaker 2: Big that he produced. He has records with Little Kim 2340 01:46:09,720 --> 01:46:12,200 Speaker 2: that he did, He has record with records with Mace 2341 01:46:12,240 --> 01:46:14,600 Speaker 2: that he did. So when he started playing was in 2342 01:46:14,600 --> 01:46:17,519 Speaker 2: the studio, I said, oh shit, and these are bangus. 2343 01:46:17,520 --> 01:46:19,840 Speaker 2: These are like these gonna go off when you play it. 2344 01:46:20,439 --> 01:46:24,080 Speaker 2: As somebody that is from Philly North had smith time 2345 01:46:24,120 --> 01:46:26,280 Speaker 2: in New York, so you know what Puff's influence and 2346 01:46:26,280 --> 01:46:29,839 Speaker 2: what it felt like. But also in the South in Atlanta, 2347 01:46:29,960 --> 01:46:33,040 Speaker 2: so you know what JD's influence is. And a versus 2348 01:46:33,439 --> 01:46:35,360 Speaker 2: between JD and Puff, Who do you take? 2349 01:46:35,479 --> 01:46:36,479 Speaker 4: I'm gonna say it's a draw. 2350 01:46:37,760 --> 01:46:41,400 Speaker 1: And uh, I love Puff because that he cared to 2351 01:46:41,439 --> 01:46:44,760 Speaker 1: my lifestyle on what he was doing. I mean a 2352 01:46:44,800 --> 01:46:47,080 Speaker 1: lot of people don't know this. In my early years, 2353 01:46:47,080 --> 01:46:50,120 Speaker 1: I was signing JD through black Market. I believe the 2354 01:46:50,200 --> 01:46:53,240 Speaker 1: name of the company was. It was two DJ's Trauma 2355 01:46:53,360 --> 01:46:57,960 Speaker 1: in Mars and I was signed through their venture with JD. 2356 01:46:59,000 --> 01:47:04,320 Speaker 4: And just knowing the stuff that JD like, JD is 2357 01:47:04,360 --> 01:47:06,280 Speaker 4: a menace in the studio, you know what I'm saying, 2358 01:47:06,400 --> 01:47:07,400 Speaker 4: Like he's a. 2359 01:47:07,120 --> 01:47:10,000 Speaker 1: Menace, like he like I've seen him do a lot 2360 01:47:10,040 --> 01:47:13,320 Speaker 1: of things. I've seen him become a businessman afterwards. But 2361 01:47:13,640 --> 01:47:16,880 Speaker 1: I mean to grow up off Puff, but still grow 2362 01:47:16,960 --> 01:47:19,240 Speaker 1: up and love Crisscross and love. 2363 01:47:19,160 --> 01:47:24,280 Speaker 4: The Brat and love money and a thing, and then 2364 01:47:24,360 --> 01:47:25,240 Speaker 4: see it moving. 2365 01:47:25,080 --> 01:47:29,880 Speaker 1: To Confessions and Mariah's probably argue the best album ever 2366 01:47:31,120 --> 01:47:36,920 Speaker 1: next to Butterfly. Like those involvements alone would make me 2367 01:47:37,120 --> 01:47:41,639 Speaker 1: almost say it's a draw, almost because if you had 2368 01:47:41,640 --> 01:47:44,400 Speaker 1: a total, you had an escape, you know what I'm saying, 2369 01:47:44,920 --> 01:47:48,599 Speaker 1: if you had it and and I'm giving I'm gonna 2370 01:47:48,640 --> 01:47:51,559 Speaker 1: say two two in the career working with kids are 2371 01:47:51,800 --> 01:47:56,160 Speaker 1: isn't the easy thing. He had three maybe maybe three 2372 01:47:56,600 --> 01:48:00,679 Speaker 1: successful albums with Crosscross, two successful albums with the Brat. 2373 01:48:00,760 --> 01:48:04,200 Speaker 1: You know what I mean, Let's not forget bow Wow, 2374 01:48:04,960 --> 01:48:08,760 Speaker 1: like that's hard to do bro, Like it's everybody's dream 2375 01:48:08,800 --> 01:48:13,720 Speaker 1: that had that young h No, it doesn't because a 2376 01:48:13,840 --> 01:48:16,559 Speaker 1: contrary to belief, like you may be in there and here, 2377 01:48:17,120 --> 01:48:21,559 Speaker 1: uh you know the Luther van jols land me Hold You, 2378 01:48:21,680 --> 01:48:23,880 Speaker 1: which you know even though I did did together, but 2379 01:48:23,880 --> 01:48:27,160 Speaker 1: it was like you may you may, oh that was 2380 01:48:27,200 --> 01:48:29,800 Speaker 1: a bop. You might hear some of that stuff like 2381 01:48:29,960 --> 01:48:31,040 Speaker 1: functified as a bop. 2382 01:48:31,280 --> 01:48:32,360 Speaker 4: Absolutely, you know what I'm saying. 2383 01:48:32,479 --> 01:48:34,840 Speaker 1: I think warming up those as bops. You might be like, 2384 01:48:34,960 --> 01:48:36,559 Speaker 1: I ain't want to dance to this, but this johnt 2385 01:48:36,600 --> 01:48:36,760 Speaker 1: you know. 2386 01:48:37,200 --> 01:48:40,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think JD beats Puff, which sounds 2387 01:48:40,960 --> 01:48:43,639 Speaker 3: nuts in the R and B category. I saw everything 2388 01:48:43,880 --> 01:48:47,280 Speaker 3: JD really produced in Wroalthies Records. So but that's a 2389 01:48:47,280 --> 01:48:49,480 Speaker 3: separate conversation. We're just going off their catalogs. 2390 01:48:49,680 --> 01:48:49,960 Speaker 4: Cool. 2391 01:48:50,040 --> 01:48:52,479 Speaker 3: I do think Puff is the greatest ear outside of 2392 01:48:52,520 --> 01:48:57,200 Speaker 3: Quincy Jones ever, so give or take there, but rap wise, 2393 01:48:57,240 --> 01:48:59,200 Speaker 3: I think it's just where JD is going to lose 2394 01:48:59,240 --> 01:49:02,360 Speaker 3: that versus I think as someone that I'm thirty two 2395 01:49:02,400 --> 01:49:05,120 Speaker 3: years old, I bought Beware of the Dog. I love. 2396 01:49:05,360 --> 01:49:07,000 Speaker 3: It's not gonna do well in the versus. It's just 2397 01:49:07,000 --> 01:49:10,559 Speaker 3: not R and B though, I think he could easily hang. 2398 01:49:10,880 --> 01:49:13,599 Speaker 2: Does Puff have a better ear than doctor Dre? 2399 01:49:13,880 --> 01:49:17,519 Speaker 1: He said Quincy Jones Puff. I was thinking Quincy Jones, 2400 01:49:17,600 --> 01:49:19,040 Speaker 1: Dre Puff, that's just me. 2401 01:49:21,240 --> 01:49:21,919 Speaker 2: That's interesting. 2402 01:49:22,160 --> 01:49:25,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think Puff still, I think his ear 2403 01:49:25,240 --> 01:49:29,000 Speaker 3: is more diverse than Dres. 2404 01:49:30,120 --> 01:49:34,240 Speaker 2: Yeah. I think I'm a roll taking out eve, taking out. 2405 01:49:34,920 --> 01:49:37,320 Speaker 2: I think it's the it's the R and B side 2406 01:49:37,640 --> 01:49:39,800 Speaker 2: more so taking out truth hurts and stuff like that. 2407 01:49:40,439 --> 01:49:42,040 Speaker 2: I mean truth first versus like. 2408 01:49:42,280 --> 01:49:47,600 Speaker 4: He's taking out, taking out, taking out you know. 2409 01:49:47,600 --> 01:49:49,559 Speaker 2: What I'm saying. I just think it's Puff's ear for 2410 01:49:49,680 --> 01:49:52,160 Speaker 2: the R and B side of it versus doctor Dre's 2411 01:49:52,200 --> 01:49:54,880 Speaker 2: not saying Dre doesn't have an R and B ear, but. 2412 01:49:55,160 --> 01:49:57,400 Speaker 3: He was fire like, yeah, you know, he definitely has it. 2413 01:49:57,720 --> 01:50:00,280 Speaker 1: By the way, I'm just asking a question. I bait 2414 01:50:00,360 --> 01:50:02,600 Speaker 1: this with somebody and even Puff like, I could have 2415 01:50:02,640 --> 01:50:06,559 Speaker 1: an argument too, but I'm just I would go Quincy Jones. 2416 01:50:06,720 --> 01:50:09,320 Speaker 3: But they also have but they also have separate ears, 2417 01:50:09,320 --> 01:50:13,240 Speaker 3: whereas Dre is one that's really there making the record, 2418 01:50:13,320 --> 01:50:18,559 Speaker 3: as Puff is a and R ing executive producing, it's 2419 01:50:18,600 --> 01:50:21,240 Speaker 3: a different ear. So I Drey is looking at. 2420 01:50:21,160 --> 01:50:23,080 Speaker 4: Records way different if we're talking, So he. 2421 01:50:23,040 --> 01:50:24,920 Speaker 3: Can't have such a broad ear because it's really his. 2422 01:50:25,320 --> 01:50:29,240 Speaker 1: Respect Puff daddy, Yeah, yeah, you know what I mean. 2423 01:50:29,479 --> 01:50:33,519 Speaker 1: And and R he's he's the he's the posted child. 2424 01:50:33,520 --> 01:50:35,320 Speaker 2: Absolutely, you know what I mean, absolutely period? 2425 01:50:35,439 --> 01:50:39,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Where's Dre is better at making the song? 2426 01:50:40,240 --> 01:50:43,000 Speaker 3: But Puff is going to if you give Puff thirty records, 2427 01:50:43,200 --> 01:50:44,960 Speaker 3: Puff is going to pick the twelve and put that 2428 01:50:45,000 --> 01:50:48,719 Speaker 3: album together as the classic indeed, whereas Dre will would 2429 01:50:48,720 --> 01:50:50,439 Speaker 3: make the thirty records with you. So I think maybe 2430 01:50:50,439 --> 01:50:52,639 Speaker 3: he's a little too close to it and to really 2431 01:50:53,200 --> 01:50:55,280 Speaker 3: put that out type thing where I think. 2432 01:50:55,160 --> 01:50:58,440 Speaker 1: That's going to jump out there and be disrespectful. 2433 01:50:58,560 --> 01:51:01,640 Speaker 2: No, no, we can come on disrespect Dre. 2434 01:51:02,800 --> 01:51:07,599 Speaker 3: I would not diespect because ship all right, I'll go further. 2435 01:51:09,520 --> 01:51:11,439 Speaker 3: You could say a lot of records Dre didn't make, 2436 01:51:13,920 --> 01:51:16,040 Speaker 3: they were other people's work that he just stands his 2437 01:51:16,120 --> 01:51:16,360 Speaker 3: name on. 2438 01:51:17,160 --> 01:51:17,760 Speaker 2: Where's Puff? 2439 01:51:17,800 --> 01:51:18,640 Speaker 4: Because that's an R. 2440 01:51:20,000 --> 01:51:23,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, Dre is an an artist some degree too. Absolutely, 2441 01:51:23,720 --> 01:51:25,120 Speaker 3: Scott Storch is an A and R. 2442 01:51:25,120 --> 01:51:29,160 Speaker 4: Move yeah, all his ghost producers. You know, I had 2443 01:51:29,160 --> 01:51:29,880 Speaker 4: this argument too. 2444 01:51:30,040 --> 01:51:35,320 Speaker 1: Again, even though let's let's typothetically say that Drake didn't 2445 01:51:35,320 --> 01:51:37,559 Speaker 1: do it right, it was Dre's formula. 2446 01:51:38,280 --> 01:51:39,280 Speaker 4: Mud I come to. 2447 01:51:39,240 --> 01:51:41,160 Speaker 1: You and say, hey, this is how the records supposed 2448 01:51:41,160 --> 01:51:42,360 Speaker 1: to be done, and I walk out the door and 2449 01:51:42,400 --> 01:51:43,280 Speaker 1: I come back and you do it. 2450 01:51:43,320 --> 01:51:45,920 Speaker 4: You did it based on my formula. M hmm. 2451 01:51:46,000 --> 01:51:47,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. That's true. 2452 01:51:48,240 --> 01:51:51,080 Speaker 3: You can pick five rappers from each city. Where does 2453 01:51:51,080 --> 01:51:56,920 Speaker 3: Philly rank five verse five vers five verse five? 2454 01:51:59,520 --> 01:52:00,400 Speaker 4: Top five? For sure? 2455 01:52:00,400 --> 01:52:01,519 Speaker 2: Who's the best Philly rapper? 2456 01:52:01,560 --> 01:52:04,360 Speaker 4: Ever? I can't be based. I was gonna say, UZI 2457 01:52:04,439 --> 01:52:07,080 Speaker 4: vert you know what I'm saying, But I'm gonna go. 2458 01:52:07,200 --> 01:52:09,160 Speaker 4: I loved I'm gonna. 2459 01:52:09,000 --> 01:52:14,360 Speaker 1: Go uh uh let me go, Will Smith, Beanie Siegel, Todd, 2460 01:52:14,760 --> 01:52:21,280 Speaker 1: uh Meek and uh Meek is probably after that, Cassidy Gilly, 2461 01:52:21,280 --> 01:52:22,280 Speaker 1: the kids after that. 2462 01:52:22,680 --> 01:52:24,320 Speaker 4: I'm only putting them on to say because. 2463 01:52:24,400 --> 01:52:28,120 Speaker 3: Black thought is just like just another thoughts. 2464 01:52:27,520 --> 01:52:32,320 Speaker 4: Black thought, damn black black thought. Is there the best 2465 01:52:32,439 --> 01:52:35,960 Speaker 4: lyricists tell my rapper. And I hate to categorize this 2466 01:52:36,120 --> 01:52:41,559 Speaker 4: only because uh, I'm willing to bet that I'm probably 2467 01:52:41,560 --> 01:52:45,400 Speaker 4: one of the only ones that probably really in Philly 2468 01:52:45,479 --> 01:52:48,759 Speaker 4: with being that merit. If you're outside of the game, all. 2469 01:52:48,640 --> 01:52:50,800 Speaker 3: Right, but you're you're saying just hits. I'm sorry, you're 2470 01:52:50,840 --> 01:52:53,240 Speaker 3: saying just wrapping Black Thought would be there. I would 2471 01:52:53,280 --> 01:52:55,920 Speaker 3: say the last two or three people you name black 2472 01:52:56,160 --> 01:52:57,879 Speaker 3: black Thought has way more hits. 2473 01:52:57,760 --> 01:52:59,120 Speaker 2: Than what you just named. 2474 01:52:59,320 --> 01:53:02,000 Speaker 3: I feel I love only to death black Thought has 2475 01:53:02,240 --> 01:53:03,200 Speaker 3: monstrous hits. 2476 01:53:03,200 --> 01:53:04,559 Speaker 4: To feel that, I feel that. 2477 01:53:04,880 --> 01:53:06,800 Speaker 3: I'm not saying and Will Smith should not be. 2478 01:53:07,240 --> 01:53:10,080 Speaker 4: Best best lyricists ever from Philly might be black. 2479 01:53:10,640 --> 01:53:11,840 Speaker 3: I'm just saying, I don't even think it. 2480 01:53:11,960 --> 01:53:12,720 Speaker 2: Might think it is. 2481 01:53:13,280 --> 01:53:14,120 Speaker 4: I'll go what it is. 2482 01:53:14,280 --> 01:53:16,120 Speaker 2: Well, you said Will Smith. 2483 01:53:16,960 --> 01:53:19,320 Speaker 4: Coming out of Philly, best rappers, rappers? 2484 01:53:19,920 --> 01:53:20,640 Speaker 2: Who number two? 2485 01:53:20,680 --> 01:53:21,240 Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. 2486 01:53:21,240 --> 01:53:22,240 Speaker 2: Everything who's number two? 2487 01:53:22,600 --> 01:53:26,120 Speaker 4: I said, Will Smith and Siegel rappers? 2488 01:53:26,120 --> 01:53:27,320 Speaker 3: Why why Will Smith? 2489 01:53:28,320 --> 01:53:31,400 Speaker 4: Because he was the staple in Philly and. 2490 01:53:31,240 --> 01:53:34,479 Speaker 3: Some of the same Take the up first, the first. 2491 01:53:36,160 --> 01:53:38,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, he said, take that part. 2492 01:53:39,280 --> 01:53:42,080 Speaker 1: His first couple of records was incredible in the rap game. 2493 01:53:43,120 --> 01:53:46,400 Speaker 1: I think I could beat Mike Tyson. Parents just don't understand. 2494 01:53:46,520 --> 01:53:47,800 Speaker 1: Sure you know those I. 2495 01:53:47,800 --> 01:53:50,599 Speaker 3: Think Daddy Kane is incredible. Jay Z's better, But that's 2496 01:53:50,640 --> 01:53:51,120 Speaker 3: what I'm saying. 2497 01:53:51,120 --> 01:53:52,920 Speaker 2: As far as rock and roll, some of tom didn't, 2498 01:53:53,479 --> 01:53:55,040 Speaker 2: so they say it's. 2499 01:53:58,040 --> 01:54:01,240 Speaker 3: Getting jiggy with it or not. One of them records. 2500 01:54:01,320 --> 01:54:04,280 Speaker 4: We talk about the First Prince and I man, y'all talk. 2501 01:54:04,200 --> 01:54:06,880 Speaker 3: About Lady and you guys one behind Quentin Miller. It's 2502 01:54:06,880 --> 01:54:09,240 Speaker 3: all adding up. It's a Philly thing, yo. 2503 01:54:12,080 --> 01:54:13,679 Speaker 2: You know he said, y'all are from Philly. 2504 01:54:14,520 --> 01:54:17,479 Speaker 3: Ship and Meek involved with it. Yeah, it's a Philly thing. 2505 01:54:17,800 --> 01:54:21,000 Speaker 3: That's crazy. Oh what is with the ghost writing affiliate? 2506 01:54:22,080 --> 01:54:22,920 Speaker 4: Were talented bro. 2507 01:54:23,479 --> 01:54:26,639 Speaker 2: Y'all, Philip, But Philly has always been and probably always 2508 01:54:26,640 --> 01:54:27,280 Speaker 2: will be the home of. 2509 01:54:27,280 --> 01:54:30,040 Speaker 4: The Yeah I left out e s t uh. 2510 01:54:30,160 --> 01:54:31,840 Speaker 1: The Matt Nicholas one. I don't know if y'all know 2511 01:54:31,840 --> 01:54:35,360 Speaker 1: about him, which was the greatest man. A lot of difference. 2512 01:54:35,400 --> 01:54:38,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, time's dope. We had a lot of great rappers. 2513 01:54:38,840 --> 01:54:40,680 Speaker 4: Like I'm saying, Steady B is up there. Cool see. 2514 01:54:40,920 --> 01:54:43,080 Speaker 4: But when I talk about lyricists. 2515 01:54:42,560 --> 01:54:45,360 Speaker 2: It's gonna be black for sure, absolutely talking about I 2516 01:54:45,360 --> 01:54:46,160 Speaker 2: can't ague. 2517 01:54:47,240 --> 01:54:50,160 Speaker 1: And he's they've got Grammys. They've built so much in 2518 01:54:50,200 --> 01:54:52,880 Speaker 1: that city. We're standing on that hands down and I'm 2519 01:54:52,880 --> 01:54:55,880 Speaker 1: talking about rappers, I'm talking about everything together for sure. 2520 01:54:55,880 --> 01:54:57,320 Speaker 1: I'm talking about what they've done. 2521 01:54:58,640 --> 01:55:00,360 Speaker 3: And that's why I said the last three NA I 2522 01:55:00,360 --> 01:55:03,360 Speaker 3: felt like Black Thought may have more accomplishments and hit records. 2523 01:55:03,400 --> 01:55:05,560 Speaker 4: Yeah. At one point they debated Beanie Siegull might have 2524 01:55:05,600 --> 01:55:08,000 Speaker 4: been better than Jay Z. I heard that. I was. 2525 01:55:08,320 --> 01:55:10,200 Speaker 4: I heard that. I heard it was a thing. 2526 01:55:10,280 --> 01:55:13,920 Speaker 3: Up North started on Ether. He said he said, Beans. 2527 01:55:13,960 --> 01:55:15,920 Speaker 2: Where you heard that at Donald? Tell me on Ether, 2528 01:55:16,360 --> 01:55:17,200 Speaker 2: where did you hear that? 2529 01:55:17,720 --> 01:55:18,240 Speaker 4: It's on her? 2530 01:55:18,360 --> 01:55:19,720 Speaker 2: You can't forget where you heard that. 2531 01:55:19,720 --> 01:55:22,600 Speaker 4: That's blast argument, So not to spill the village. I 2532 01:55:22,640 --> 01:55:24,040 Speaker 4: was just doing a talk. 2533 01:55:23,840 --> 01:55:27,920 Speaker 1: With Math and that's where that's where it came from. 2534 01:55:28,080 --> 01:55:30,160 Speaker 1: Because I never heard it. But then now it's in 2535 01:55:30,200 --> 01:55:32,360 Speaker 1: my ear, It's like, Wow, they did come up with 2536 01:55:32,400 --> 01:55:36,200 Speaker 1: something that Jay was better than better than up North. 2537 01:55:36,560 --> 01:55:38,880 Speaker 4: Oh, I didn't know that. You know. I'm willing. I'm 2538 01:55:38,880 --> 01:55:40,560 Speaker 4: willing to not debate that. 2539 01:55:40,480 --> 01:55:41,600 Speaker 2: Beans is one of the greatest. 2540 01:55:41,600 --> 01:55:41,880 Speaker 4: I'm not. 2541 01:55:42,000 --> 01:55:44,200 Speaker 2: I don't think he even gets talked about enough. 2542 01:55:44,280 --> 01:55:46,520 Speaker 1: I bring his name up in most interviews because I'm like, bro, 2543 01:55:46,920 --> 01:55:48,000 Speaker 1: he needs to be heard. 2544 01:55:48,600 --> 01:55:49,840 Speaker 4: That's ridiculous. 2545 01:55:50,480 --> 01:55:52,520 Speaker 1: As much as he did and I'm glad you got that. 2546 01:55:52,600 --> 01:55:53,960 Speaker 1: And he needs to be heard. 2547 01:55:53,960 --> 01:55:56,640 Speaker 2: Bro, that's absolutely I would never are beans first. 2548 01:55:56,680 --> 01:55:57,920 Speaker 1: That's why I put him up there. But I got 2549 01:55:57,920 --> 01:56:01,200 Speaker 1: to put Gilly in there. The disrespect on Billy's game name, 2550 01:56:01,960 --> 01:56:03,520 Speaker 1: that's beyond the guy. 2551 01:56:04,320 --> 01:56:04,440 Speaker 3: Bro. 2552 01:56:04,560 --> 01:56:07,320 Speaker 1: I remember being eighteen nineteen and seeing him walk down 2553 01:56:07,360 --> 01:56:08,600 Speaker 1: the street and they was just Awnie. 2554 01:56:09,400 --> 01:56:10,040 Speaker 4: He was a guy. 2555 01:56:10,080 --> 01:56:12,400 Speaker 1: He rapped Dutch and Spade, all these guys. The history 2556 01:56:12,440 --> 01:56:16,680 Speaker 1: of Philadelphia is pound pound most cities. 2557 01:56:17,040 --> 01:56:20,360 Speaker 3: Was Wayne living in Atlanta at that time during the 2558 01:56:20,400 --> 01:56:22,400 Speaker 3: Gilly Wayne back and forth? 2559 01:56:22,880 --> 01:56:23,640 Speaker 4: No, I don't ever. 2560 01:56:23,800 --> 01:56:26,720 Speaker 1: I never remember Wayne ever living in Atlanta. 2561 01:56:27,040 --> 01:56:28,200 Speaker 4: I never I seen him. 2562 01:56:28,200 --> 01:56:30,200 Speaker 3: Maybe in your relationship with Wayne. What was it like 2563 01:56:30,200 --> 01:56:31,720 Speaker 3: though with that situation? 2564 01:56:31,920 --> 01:56:35,640 Speaker 4: To be honest, I didn't have you want to hear 2565 01:56:35,680 --> 01:56:38,280 Speaker 4: some funny shit. This some funny ship. We had Willy 2566 01:56:38,360 --> 01:56:40,120 Speaker 4: the Kid And when. 2567 01:56:39,960 --> 01:56:42,240 Speaker 1: Wayne he did like a freestyle, he was like, I 2568 01:56:42,240 --> 01:56:44,240 Speaker 1: don't got no time to deal with Willie the squid. 2569 01:56:45,400 --> 01:56:50,320 Speaker 4: We thought it was like, oh ship your man. Man. 2570 01:56:50,680 --> 01:56:52,640 Speaker 4: It was kind of weird, but then we figured it out. 2571 01:56:54,200 --> 01:56:57,480 Speaker 1: But at that time I knew Gilly and I think 2572 01:56:57,560 --> 01:56:59,720 Speaker 1: drama on, but we weren't as close. 2573 01:56:59,480 --> 01:57:01,160 Speaker 4: So we out of it anyway. 2574 01:57:01,360 --> 01:57:04,760 Speaker 1: But I didn't, you know, I could easily took the 2575 01:57:04,760 --> 01:57:05,520 Speaker 1: Phillies had. 2576 01:57:05,360 --> 01:57:06,760 Speaker 4: And be like, no, it's Philly. 2577 01:57:07,040 --> 01:57:09,720 Speaker 1: But at that point I had to side with the 2578 01:57:09,760 --> 01:57:12,280 Speaker 1: guy that was rapping crazy. I think I don't even 2579 01:57:12,320 --> 01:57:15,360 Speaker 1: think Ghilly was going He was still doing rapping, but 2580 01:57:15,400 --> 01:57:18,160 Speaker 1: I think he was just his time. 2581 01:57:18,280 --> 01:57:19,440 Speaker 4: He was going crazy. 2582 01:57:19,680 --> 01:57:22,600 Speaker 1: But I think it was just that was a weird 2583 01:57:22,640 --> 01:57:24,640 Speaker 1: space because it was like I wanted to love for 2584 01:57:24,680 --> 01:57:25,800 Speaker 1: the Philly hometown. 2585 01:57:26,080 --> 01:57:27,520 Speaker 4: At the same time, Wayne was just. 2586 01:57:27,480 --> 01:57:31,240 Speaker 2: Like Wayne was gassing was on another line. 2587 01:57:31,280 --> 01:57:33,800 Speaker 1: I just wanted to make sure that those people get 2588 01:57:33,800 --> 01:57:36,400 Speaker 1: their names. After that, you got even Cassie. All those 2589 01:57:36,400 --> 01:57:38,800 Speaker 1: are all the rappers in the city. We have one 2590 01:57:38,840 --> 01:57:40,600 Speaker 1: hard lyricis and we got a lot of lyricists in 2591 01:57:40,600 --> 01:57:40,920 Speaker 1: the city. 2592 01:57:40,960 --> 01:57:45,080 Speaker 3: But Black thught we were at that point made in America. 2593 01:57:45,440 --> 01:57:48,520 Speaker 3: I was talking with Freeway and Guru and I would 2594 01:57:48,520 --> 01:57:51,000 Speaker 3: say an Exo Tour Life has to be a top 2595 01:57:51,040 --> 01:57:53,600 Speaker 3: five Phillies song. We were debating top five records. 2596 01:57:53,680 --> 01:57:56,720 Speaker 1: I think it's I think it's right behind Dreams of Nightmares. 2597 01:57:56,880 --> 01:57:58,640 Speaker 1: That's Philly's biggest rap song. 2598 01:57:59,040 --> 01:58:00,040 Speaker 3: I would I would think, so. 2599 01:58:00,040 --> 01:58:02,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, Phillies there's a lot of them. Though. 2600 01:58:02,200 --> 01:58:04,840 Speaker 2: Do you think that Dreams and Nightmare hurt me? And 2601 01:58:04,880 --> 01:58:07,840 Speaker 2: when I when I say that, it's because that record 2602 01:58:07,880 --> 01:58:10,400 Speaker 2: is so big, Yes, absolutely, and it's the intro to 2603 01:58:10,440 --> 01:58:13,200 Speaker 2: his first album. It's like he still has to people 2604 01:58:13,240 --> 01:58:14,640 Speaker 2: like yo, but it ain't dreams and it's like, Bro, 2605 01:58:14,760 --> 01:58:15,839 Speaker 2: I gave you all that already. 2606 01:58:16,600 --> 01:58:19,640 Speaker 1: I think the song is so big that it's not 2607 01:58:19,680 --> 01:58:22,560 Speaker 1: allowing people to see past to the real talent that 2608 01:58:22,640 --> 01:58:22,920 Speaker 1: he has. 2609 01:58:23,440 --> 01:58:24,680 Speaker 4: You're You're absolutely right. 2610 01:58:25,040 --> 01:58:28,000 Speaker 1: I think that the point that our go to is 2611 01:58:28,040 --> 01:58:31,080 Speaker 1: hold up, wait a minute in every club instead of 2612 01:58:31,120 --> 01:58:33,640 Speaker 1: a few of those records like House Party, Boss, I'm 2613 01:58:33,640 --> 01:58:37,000 Speaker 1: a Boss, and just even in your music. It's all 2614 01:58:37,000 --> 01:58:39,720 Speaker 1: great music, but we're put it in a place where 2615 01:58:40,480 --> 01:58:44,800 Speaker 1: dreams of Nightmares about to be his uh from. 2616 01:58:44,680 --> 01:58:46,240 Speaker 4: The fulon, you know what I'm saying. 2617 01:58:46,280 --> 01:58:48,280 Speaker 1: And I feel like that's hurting a little bit because 2618 01:58:48,400 --> 01:58:49,880 Speaker 1: they're expecting him to do. 2619 01:58:49,840 --> 01:58:52,800 Speaker 3: That every time time, and even when he gives in 2620 01:58:52,840 --> 01:58:55,040 Speaker 3: and does it, they're like, oh, it's not Dreams and Nightmares. 2621 01:58:55,280 --> 01:58:56,960 Speaker 3: Every time he even tries to recreate that. 2622 01:58:57,280 --> 01:58:59,760 Speaker 4: It's tough, bro, that's a tough space to be, Harry. 2623 01:59:00,200 --> 01:59:00,960 Speaker 4: Tough space to be. 2624 01:59:00,920 --> 01:59:04,600 Speaker 2: In Well yeah, I think I think we can wrap yeah, 2625 01:59:04,760 --> 01:59:07,880 Speaker 2: and you're wrapping us up, keeps giving us pause yeah 2626 01:59:08,320 --> 01:59:10,720 Speaker 2: and tapping us up. Well, don listen, man, thank you 2627 01:59:10,760 --> 01:59:12,280 Speaker 2: for finally making this happen many. 2628 01:59:12,880 --> 01:59:15,839 Speaker 1: I'm glad I came in brother brotherhood man, like, congrats 2629 01:59:15,880 --> 01:59:16,720 Speaker 1: on the app for sure. 2630 01:59:16,800 --> 01:59:18,920 Speaker 2: Absolutely tomorrow download the app. 2631 01:59:19,240 --> 01:59:19,560 Speaker 4: Thank you. 2632 01:59:19,680 --> 01:59:22,600 Speaker 2: If you stop hittings and the dms, download the app. 2633 01:59:22,880 --> 01:59:24,760 Speaker 2: It's gonna put you right in tune with when you 2634 01:59:24,800 --> 01:59:26,920 Speaker 2: need to talk to. Is going to help people find you. 2635 01:59:27,960 --> 01:59:30,040 Speaker 2: Don Thank you for everything that you do for the culture. Man. 2636 01:59:30,080 --> 01:59:32,640 Speaker 2: I appreciate you. Uh, You've been one of the guys 2637 01:59:32,680 --> 01:59:35,640 Speaker 2: that I've had. You know, my hop talks about you 2638 01:59:35,680 --> 01:59:38,480 Speaker 2: so much. You know that's just so to sit down 2639 01:59:38,520 --> 01:59:40,560 Speaker 2: and like really kick it with you and to build 2640 01:59:40,560 --> 01:59:42,680 Speaker 2: this this bond with you has been has been dope 2641 01:59:42,680 --> 01:59:44,680 Speaker 2: because from afar, I've always watched you for years and 2642 01:59:44,720 --> 01:59:47,320 Speaker 2: watched what you've been doing. Been a big fan of 2643 01:59:47,560 --> 01:59:50,320 Speaker 2: studied with y'all the artist that you've been able to 2644 01:59:50,320 --> 01:59:53,000 Speaker 2: break in and build. So thank you for coming to 2645 01:59:53,040 --> 01:59:54,520 Speaker 2: kicking with us. We appreciate you, and we got to 2646 01:59:54,560 --> 01:59:55,440 Speaker 2: do this again soon. 2647 01:59:55,280 --> 01:59:56,320 Speaker 4: Man, Yeah, soon later. 2648 01:59:57,240 --> 01:59:59,480 Speaker 2: That's Don Cannon. Y'all. This has been another episode of 2649 01:59:59,520 --> 02:00:01,760 Speaker 2: the New World and Mall Podcasts. We will talk to 2650 02:00:01,840 --> 02:00:04,800 Speaker 2: y'all soon. Be safe, be blessed. I'm that nigga. He's 2651 02:00:04,880 --> 02:00:08,280 Speaker 2: just Ginger Peace no Worran Mound