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Speaker 1: Welcome in Friday edition. Clay Travis buck Sexton show. Sometimes

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Speaker 1: we get things right that aren't necessarily ideal for President Trump.

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Speaker 2: This was one of them.

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Speaker 1: In the early morning hours year, early morning's, probably about

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Speaker 1: two hours ago, the Supreme Court released an opinion striking

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Speaker 1: down President Trump's authority to put the tariffs in place

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Speaker 1: that he put in place last April. By the way,

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Speaker 1: just breaking right now, Caroline Levitt says President Trump will

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Speaker 1: hold a press briefing on the Supreme Court's tariff decision

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Speaker 1: at twelve forty five. I would imagine that we will

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Speaker 1: go to that. But let me give you a little

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Speaker 1: bit of a medley, a montage of the media reporting

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Speaker 1: about two hours ago that the tariffs were being being

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Speaker 1: struck down by the Supreme Court.

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Speaker 2: This is cut two.

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Speaker 1: We are in breaking news here.

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Speaker 3: Has just got that Supreme Court ruling in the last

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Speaker 3: hour six to three shooting down the president's use of

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Speaker 3: AIPA tariffs.

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Speaker 1: The Supreme Court just struck down the bulk of President

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Speaker 1: Trump's tariffs.

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Speaker 4: This is huge news.

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Speaker 1: This is happening as we speak.

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Speaker 5: The President's emergency tariffs are illegal.

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Speaker 1: A significant loss for President Trump.

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Speaker 2: A major slap at the President of the United States.

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Speaker 1: This now strikes down tariffs they're imposed to eighty countries.

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Speaker 1: This is the first time that the six' to three

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Speaker 1: conservative court has ruled Against President. Trump, okay a couple

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Speaker 1: of months, ago we'll play this among. Others we have

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Speaker 1: been telling you on this program that we thought that

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Speaker 1: this would likely be a loss For trump in the

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Speaker 1: wake of oral. Arguments here Was january on the. Program cut.

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Speaker 1: One all, Right i'm nervous about this, One, BUCK i

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Speaker 1: think The Supreme court is going to strike down some

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Speaker 1: elements Of President. TRUMP i think this is one where

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Speaker 1: The president's going to get a pushback from The Supreme,

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Speaker 1: court and they are going to Have they're going to

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Speaker 1: have a really complicated situation. Here my concern is that

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Speaker 1: they're going to slap him back some on. This we'll,

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Speaker 1: see BUT i think it could be a major. Pushback,

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Speaker 1: Okay so they did as we had forecast on the.

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Speaker 1: Program stock, market for those of you who, care basically

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Speaker 1: seem to expect that this ruling was going to come.

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Speaker 1: Down The dow relatively unmoved to THE s AND p five,

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Speaker 1: hundred up about four tenths of a. Percentage, So, buck

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Speaker 1: here is the complicated question going, FORWARD i would wager

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Speaker 1: a ton of. Money we'll see when he comes on

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Speaker 1: at twelve forty Five eastern and has this press. CONFERENCE

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Speaker 1: i would wager a lot That President trump will now

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Speaker 1: cite a new statutory authority to allow him to take

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Speaker 1: executive action on tariffs that will then be challenged and

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Speaker 1: go all the way back to The Supreme. Court Supreme

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Speaker 1: court will be ruling on.

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Speaker 2: That in the.

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Speaker 1: MEANTIME i would say the biggest outcome here is what

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Speaker 1: if at, all and this opinion does not focus, on

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Speaker 1: it will happen for people who claim tariff refunds arguing

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Speaker 1: that this tariff should not have been able to be

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Speaker 1: put in, place and therefore the money should be returned

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Speaker 1: to the companies that have been paying the. Tariff that's

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Speaker 1: the biggest question your take, Here as this news came

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Speaker 1: down this morning before we came on the, air.

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Speaker 3: Not unexpected at, all AND i was going through the

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Speaker 3: decision this morning in some. Detail it's an interesting history, here.

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Speaker 3: Right The president looks at this nineteen seventy SEVEN aipa

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Speaker 3: law and, says, well hold on a, second we have

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Speaker 3: a flood of illegal drugs coming From. Canada mexico And.

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Speaker 3: China we have massive deficits which create an economic and

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Speaker 3: even maybe national security risk over the long term for

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Speaker 3: The United. States so he's going to take. Action and

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Speaker 3: it seemed that in much of the back and forth

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Speaker 3: in the in the actual, decision the question is the

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Speaker 3: action was not explicit enough in that. Law and even

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Speaker 3: though it is explicit that the president could do far

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Speaker 3: more extreme things under this, law it seems the president

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Speaker 3: could say no more steel From.

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Speaker 2: China. Period he could do.

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Speaker 3: That he could, say you can't give us you can't

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Speaker 3: he can't, say, again according to the six to three majority,

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Speaker 3: here which Included roberts And gorsich and of course Amy Cony,

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Speaker 3: barrett what you can't do is say there's a ten

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Speaker 3: reasons that goes into. Effect there was a lot of

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Speaker 3: argument over so you're, saying he can do a deminimus

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Speaker 3: thing or an extreme, thing but he can't do meaning

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Speaker 3: the little tiny regulations around these, issues a massive shutdown

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Speaker 3: them because that's left To. Congress that is a constitutional.

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Speaker 3: Power it is the sort of fundamental foundational, unfortunately the

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Speaker 3: a lot of back and forth over. THAT i think

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Speaker 3: you're right about the logistics now getting.

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Speaker 2: It's going to get interesting to.

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Speaker 3: See so do companies actually get money back from the

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Speaker 3: government that the government's taken? In is that what's going to?

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Speaker 3: Happen do they all have to go and seek suit?

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Speaker 3: Individually is there some what happens now to the large

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Speaker 3: sum hundreds of billions of dollars that have been taken

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Speaker 3: in as a result of. This the markets haven't been

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Speaker 3: spooked at all by it so, far which MEANS i

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Speaker 3: think the reality here was priced in that this was

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Speaker 2: Outcome neither you NOR i surprised by. It one THING

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Speaker 2: i do think is.

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Speaker 3: Interesting it completely changes the tariff, debate meaning What trump

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Speaker 3: has done has shown that you can in fact impose.

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Speaker 3: Tariffs it will not destroy the. Economy it will bring

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Speaker 3: in hundreds of billions of dollars of. Revenue every other

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Speaker 3: country does. This maybe this is something we should think.

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Speaker 3: About it changes the the tariffs are you, know lead

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Speaker 3: to trade. Wars trade ward lead to real. Wars changes that,

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Speaker 3: DISCUSSION i Think clay going, forward we'll see it'd be

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Speaker 3: really interesting if you call this. One i'll be very

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Speaker 3: impressed That trump just comes out and, Says, okay tariff's

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Speaker 3: now under the following. Authority everything stays exactly as, is

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Speaker 3: and then he buys himself Another, well it depends how

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Speaker 3: fast The Supreme court tries to move on, this but

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Speaker 3: he would buy himself that have to go through the,

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Speaker 3: courts that have to be more. Process that would be very.

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Speaker 1: INTERESTING i THINK i would bet almost one hundred percent

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Speaker 1: chance that's what he's gonna, do and he will basically

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Speaker 1: try to run out the clock on the remainder of

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Speaker 1: his term as it pertains to. TARIFFS i think your

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Speaker 1: point is a good. One back In april of last,

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Speaker 1: to destroy the.

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Speaker 2: Economy we're going to have a.

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Speaker 1: Recession, instead we're sitting at record high stock market. Prices the,

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Speaker 1: overall as we said, yesterday mortgage rates have come, down

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Speaker 1: inflation has come. DOWN gdp numbers were not great this,

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Speaker 1: morning but they were great in the fourth. Quarter IN

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Speaker 1: a large part of THE gdp issues was the huge

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Speaker 1: shutdown that we had that went on at the end

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Speaker 1: of last. YEAR i think everything is poised as people

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Speaker 1: are set for record amounts of money back refunds from

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Speaker 1: the government associated with The president's big tax. Cut lots

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Speaker 1: of people are going to get thousands and thousands of

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Speaker 1: dollars more than they, expect and then they will go

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Speaker 1: spend that money and that will juice the economy to

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Speaker 1: a large extent in the spring and the summer of this.

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Speaker 1: Year so to, Me President trump's going to cite different

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Speaker 1: authority almost one hundred. Percent he may even be explicit

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Speaker 1: in that when he comes out in about thirty minutes

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Speaker 1: talks about. It here's my big picture analysis and WHY

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Speaker 1: i thought The Supreme court would strike Down President trump on.

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Speaker 1: Tariffs this actually makes me wonder what they're going to

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Speaker 1: give a yes To trump. On and some people who

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Speaker 1: are lawyers get upset with me WHEN i talk about

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Speaker 1: the fact that The Supreme court is clearly cognizant of

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Speaker 1: if they Give trump, everything then they, say, oh it's

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Speaker 1: a rubber stamp For. Trump The Supreme court has no.

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Speaker 1: Legitimacy notice how all of a SUDDEN msnbc loves The

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Speaker 1: Supreme court and loves how much they're willing to stand

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Speaker 1: on principle and everything. Else there are many complicated cases

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Speaker 1: that are still before The Supreme court right now that

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Speaker 1: would BE i, think far more consequential than the tariff.

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Speaker 1: Ruling let me give you a couple of. Them what

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Speaker 1: are they going to say about the law as it

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Speaker 1: pertains to racial jerry. MANDERS i think they're going to

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Speaker 1: strike Down. BUCK i think they're going to, say, basically

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Speaker 1: in this modern era in which we, live the idea

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Speaker 1: of allowing a racial gerrymander is. Unconstitutional that could potentially

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Speaker 1: Cost democrats around twenty seats according to some of the

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Speaker 1: analysis THAT i have seen of what the impact of

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Speaker 1: that decision would. Be, also birthright, CITIZENSHIP i would argue

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Speaker 1: maybe the most foundational and transformational of the cases that

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Speaker 1: The Supreme court is facing right now and waiting to

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Speaker 1: render a verdict on is birthright. Citizenship are they going

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Speaker 1: merely being born on the soil of The United states

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Speaker 1: make some interesting rulings on those cases racial germandering And

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Speaker 3: Think they've given themselves some leeway here to Give trump

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Speaker 3: some things that are going to make the left go completely.

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Speaker 2: INSANE i don't think you're.

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Speaker 3: WRONG i Think John roberts clearly has that in mind

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Speaker 2: To give the decision that it is in fact. Not

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Speaker 2: they don't want to take the. HEAT i don't think

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Speaker 3: That BUT i think they recognize the alternative is to

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Speaker 3: really open the door to the dissolution Of american sovereignty,

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Speaker 2: Creates a permanent and fantastic.

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Speaker 3: Benefit, yes which is a really bad thing for A

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Speaker 3: So I'M i think that they're you, know on that.

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Speaker 1: It both of, those And i'm not saying necessarily THAT

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Speaker 1: going to be a close. Call And Justice roberts is

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Speaker 1: Obamacare we've seen it with a lot of the decisions

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Speaker 1: Single general session that they bring to bear all these

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Speaker 1: Different Supreme court. Cases SO i think he sees this, as,

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Speaker 1: hey we're going to Rebuke President. Trump we're going to

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Speaker 1: establish that we are still the law of the land

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Speaker 1: and we aren't rubber stamping. Him, remember there's been a

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Speaker 1: lot of. CRITICISM i think they got this right on

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Speaker 1: The Supreme court with all the presidential powers. Questions we

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Speaker 1: january of twenty. Nine these, powers rulings on executive privilege

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Speaker 1: momentarily we are. Monitoring we bring in now The governor Of,

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Speaker 1: Indiana Mike braun And GOVERNOR i believe you were in

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Speaker 7: Association, yeah it was a late breakfast at The White,

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Speaker 3: Box thanks for being here now that we've seen what

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Speaker 1: Field Governor mike bron WITH us Of indiana right, now

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Speaker 1: you mentioned blue state versus red. State one illustration of

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Speaker 1: the idea of The Chicago BEARS nfl football team leaving

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Speaker 2: Indiana what can you tell us about.

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Speaker 1: That do you expect it to happen and what does

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Speaker 7: Indiana, well For Chicago bears fans And illinoisans, especially they

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Speaker 1: Interested so you expect we're talking To Governor Mike brawn Of,

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Speaker 1: indiana you expect for The bears to play In indiana

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Speaker 3: Indiana republicans in the State.

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Speaker 7: House, WELL i think in many places you still got

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Speaker 7: kind of enclaves of Establishment republicanism that would have never

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Speaker 7: Been america, first probably didn't vote for me Or trump as,

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Speaker 7: outsiders AND i think they felt a little snoopy and

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Speaker 7: we're going to make a die on that. Hill AND

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Speaker 7: i think it was out of kind of eighty percent

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Speaker 7: of Conservative. Republicans conservatives were four doing the mid decade redistrict.

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Speaker 7: THING i, mean you look At, Massachusetts they've been, gerrymandered

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Speaker 7: same size, state nine congressional districts for. Decades New england

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Speaker 7: the same. Way so there was a lot of uneven out,

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Speaker 7: there and These, republicans about ten of them in The.

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Speaker 7: Senate there were another ten that went with leadership because

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Speaker 7: they probably feared a committee change or a chairmanship not.

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Speaker 7: Reappointed but it was a click of five to ten

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Speaker 7: that dug in and Made indiana the. Exception, now how

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Speaker 7: this all pans, out whether we met any seats when

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Speaker 7: you look at how our response To, California, virginia a

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Speaker 7: few other places have. Been BUT i still think the

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Speaker 7: point of. It why would you stand against it when

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Speaker 7: every other state has said it makes, sense and they've

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Speaker 7: gerrymandered so much over the, years we've been slow.

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Speaker 1: Footed we're talking to the governor Of, Indiana Mike. Braun

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Speaker 1: is there any possibility that that could happen or is

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Speaker 1: it dead in your, mind irrespective you're, Mentioning virginia is

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Speaker 1: potentially going to make an aggressive Move, MARYLAND, ma still do?

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Speaker 2: It is it dead In?

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Speaker 1: Indiana is the timing complete or do you think if

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Speaker 1: other states, act it's potentially?

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Speaker 7: Readdressable, yeah it basically is because the filing deadlines for.

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Speaker 7: Cannabacies we've got one of the earliest, primaries and there

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Speaker 7: was a technicality on the margin of the, vote WHICH

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Speaker 7: i think The president Pro tem of The senate got.

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Speaker 7: IT i think one vote over the hump where you

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Speaker 7: technically can't bring it. Back so in our, case we

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Speaker 7: could have meted out two. Seats the one Near chicago

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Speaker 7: has been turning redder and redder every, round but when

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Speaker 7: it gets close the national damns just pour a bunch

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Speaker 7: of money in. There and Then Marion, county which is Basically,

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Speaker 7: indianapolis has become a deep blue like many many big.

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Speaker 3: Cities mister, governor before we let you, go got to

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Speaker 3: put you on the hot. Seat can't you shut you

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Speaker 3: out with this policy, stuff. Sir is the win by

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Speaker 3: The hoosiers in The National Championship, game WHICH i saw

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Speaker 3: the single greatest college football game of all.

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Speaker 7: TIME i think it would be because you got to

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Speaker 7: remember your Sports officionados there will probably KNOW iu had

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Speaker 7: the Worst Division one record of any football, program and

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Speaker 7: it's been a long. One and by going undefeated this

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Speaker 7: year and only losing two, before we've only moved up

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Speaker 7: to the second worst. Record so that, context and to

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Speaker 7: think that a guy Like signetti slipped into a school

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Speaker 7: like ours and the WHOLE nil portal system made it,

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Speaker 7: possible WHICH i didn't really like. That i'm kind of

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Speaker 7: a traditionalist when it comes to. It all of that

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Speaker 7: had to be, aligning AND i think it's right up

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Speaker 7: there with The hoosiers. MOVIE i think someday there'll be

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Speaker 7: a football film made that will be kind of the

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Speaker 7: analog of. It that's got to sink in for maybe

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Speaker 7: a decade or.

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Speaker 1: SO i think one hundred percent it's going to be

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Speaker 1: a football version Of, hoosiers and you guys have led

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Speaker 1: the way on that one. Too as a heck of a.

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Speaker 1: Season buck was with me In miami for the game

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Speaker 1: against The. Hurricanes we appreciate the, Time, governor thanks for coming.

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Speaker 1: On good luck with getting That Chicago bears deal officially hammered.

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Speaker 7: Out, well if that actually hits. Fruition maybe we'll do

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Speaker 7: a debrief on one hundred.

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Speaker 1: Percent you reach out to us when you're ready to officially, say,

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Speaker 1: hey it's a done.

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Speaker 7: Deal, okay good, deal enjoyed, It thank.

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Speaker 8: You.

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Speaker 3: Governor, Wait, clay so would it be the would they

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Speaker 3: be The Indiana, bears is that they're not going to

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Speaker 3: go or would it be that The Indianapolis.

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Speaker 1: Bears they're not Well Indianapolis. Colts, uh they're not going

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Speaker 1: to give up The. Indianapolis they would still be The Chicago.

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Speaker 1: Bears they would just play In.

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Speaker 3: Indiana, yeah, SORRY i forgot about The colts.

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Speaker 2: Thing let's just let's just reach that from the. Record

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Speaker 2: But i'm just so. GOOD i, mean it's to the.

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Speaker 3: People they can't be The Chicago bears playing In indiana, Though, Clay, well.

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Speaker 1: Maybe You're jets and The New York giants are both

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Speaker 1: playing In New. Jersey so some would point out, that

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Speaker 1: But New jersey is like our close.

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Speaker 2: Cousin we it's like a very you, KNOW i don't, know.

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Speaker 1: An incredible indictment Of Brandon, johnson the mayor Of chicago AND.

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Speaker 2: Jb, pritzker The governor Of.

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Speaker 1: Chicago The bears are an indelible part of The chicago's.

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Speaker 1: Landscapes Soldier field is right there on the river on

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Speaker 1: the lake in Downtown, chicago and so the idea that

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Speaker 1: they can't figure out how to get a new stadium

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Speaker 1: built is, frankly just yet more evidence of the fact

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Speaker 1: that people Of chicago have made awful choices for their,

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Speaker 1: leadership and they deserve, better but unfortunately this is what

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Speaker 1: they're choosing to represent, them and there are. Consequences and

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Speaker 1: SO i think this a great red state Versus blue

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Speaker 1: state example of being able to get things done versus

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Speaker 2: Moronic all very good.

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Speaker 1: and walked out discussing all of the impacts of Today's.

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Speaker 2: Supreme court ruling on.

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Speaker 1: Tariffs if you did not hear six to, three we'll

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Speaker 1: get into this more some this. Hour The Supreme court

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Speaker 1: ruled That President trump did not have the authority to

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Speaker 1: implement the tariffs as he had done under the existing,

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Speaker 1: legislation but they did not tell us what should happen

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Speaker 1: with the tariffs that have been collected so. Far they,

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Speaker 1: also in the Dissent Brett kavanaugh specifically, said, hey we

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Speaker 1: think he does have the authority if he puts it

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Speaker 1: under this legislation. Instead The president has now said he

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Speaker 1: will be doing that. Again i'll put my lawyer hat

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Speaker 1: on and discuss some of this going forward with all of,

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Speaker 1: you but a lot of details coming out. There we

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Speaker 1: are joined now though by a by a woman That

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Speaker 1: i'm excited to have on the, program who wrote a

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Speaker 1: really powerful op ed in The Wall Street journal last,

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Speaker 1: week detailing what her life was like as she got

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Speaker 1: caught in the gender transition medical, system beginning at the

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Speaker 1: age of. Eleven she decided that she was under the

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Speaker 1: tutelage of a lot of different. PEOPLE i want to

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Speaker 1: hear her story in, detail that she was a girl

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Speaker 1: in a boy's, body began to receive treatments for, that

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Speaker 1: and then as she got, older came to regret that.

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Speaker 1: Immensely and her name Is soren Al. Dako she is

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Speaker 1: with us right. Now, SOREN i appreciate you writing the

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Speaker 1: op ed that you did in The Wall Street, journal

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Speaker 1: AND i appreciate you coming on with us right. Now

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Speaker 1: SO i just want to give you an opportunity to

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Speaker 1: tell your. STORY i, believe according to What i've, heard

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Speaker 1: you started receiving treatments around the age of. Eleven tell

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Speaker 1: us how that happened and what your experience was like

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Speaker 1: in the gender reassignment.

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Speaker 5: World, yeah thanks for having me. Well at age, ELEVEN

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Speaker 5: i was actually kind of doing all of this on my.

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Speaker 5: OWN i was on The internet in all different corners

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Speaker 5: of The, internet from chat rooms to online art, forums

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Speaker 5: and UNFORTUNATELY i got into some pretty dark corners WHERE

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Speaker 5: i was groomed so already going through something that kids

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Speaker 5: struggle with, generally right, PUBERTY i had this added trauma

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Speaker 5: on top of, that this thing that made me feel

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Speaker 5: scared in my. Body and WHEN i was speaking to

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Speaker 5: some of those girls on the art, FORUM i discovered

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Speaker 5: transgender identity as a manifestation almost of the role playing

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Speaker 5: that we were. Doing this idea THAT i could adopt

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Speaker 5: a new name and a new appearance and almost be

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Speaker 5: like the characters that we would. Create so that was

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Speaker 5: eventually affirmed around age fifteen WHEN i met my dad

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Speaker 5: and my stepmom for the first. TIME i went, inpatient

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Speaker 5: actually after having a fight with my, stepdad and it

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Speaker 5: was impatient that a psychiatrist pressured me to come out

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Speaker 5: to him as, transgender and then told my family that

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Speaker 5: actually my distress had nothing to do with my home,

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Speaker 5: life my turbulent home, life but in fact it was

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Speaker 5: BECAUSE i was. Transgender so fast forward two years after,

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Speaker 5: THAT i met a nurse practitioner through a support group

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Speaker 5: that my dad and my stepmom were taking me. To

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Speaker 5: he prescribed me testosterone without my mom's consent after just thirty,

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Speaker 5: minutes and by age, NINETEEN i had a double misteke

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Speaker 5: to me THAT i would have a, massive massive complications From.

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Speaker 1: Okay thank, you that is a big. PICTURE i want

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Speaker 1: to dial back in if we can to some of these.

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Speaker 1: Details and again thank you for coming on and telling

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Speaker 1: us this. Story so eleven years, old you are getting

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Speaker 1: on The. INTERNET i assume these are chat rooms of some.

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Speaker 1: Sort and what was your initial draw on The? Internet

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Speaker 1: where did you? Enter BECAUSE i think this is important

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Speaker 1: for a lot of parents and. Grandparents you didn't initially

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Speaker 1: enter into the idea that you were trans you were

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Speaker 1: an unhappy eleven year. Old it sounds like you go

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Speaker 1: on The. Internet where did you? Go what sort of chat?

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Speaker 1: Rooms what sort Of internet sites were you? On where

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Speaker 1: people found you and started to try to address your

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Speaker 1: unhappiness and potentially give you a sol for.

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Speaker 2: It how did that?

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Speaker 5: Happen what's interesting is this occurred around the same time

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Speaker 5: That instagram and other social media apps were coming. Around,

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Speaker 5: HOWEVER i actually entered onto The internet using my Handheld nintendo,

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Speaker 5: device MY DSi i stood For internet and the app

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Speaker 5: specifically was a flipnote app where me and lots of

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Speaker 5: hand drawn and comment on those, animations find community through

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Speaker 5: fandoms through THESE tv shows and comic, books et cetera

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Speaker 5: that we.

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Speaker 1: Liked so this had nothing to do in theory with

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Speaker 1: interact with, you and you start to make friends, online

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Speaker 1: and they start to push you in the direction of

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Speaker 1: embracing this idea that you might be a boy in

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Speaker 1: a girl's. Body, okay so you were profoundly. Unhappy how

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Speaker 1: old are you, now by the, Way i'm twenty. Three,

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Speaker 1: okay so you're twenty three at, FIFTEEN i want to.

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Speaker 1: GO i believe you said you went in to see

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Speaker 1: conversations that you were having, ONLINE i would imagine were

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Speaker 1: a part of this was that you were in fact

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Speaker 1: a boy and a girl's. Body what is that like

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Speaker 1: when you tell the psychiatrist, that what is that discussion like?

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Speaker 1: Quizzing and for your, parents now that you can look

675
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Speaker 1: back on, it what was it like for?

676
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Speaker 5: Them WHEN i first spoke to the. Psychiatrist he was

677
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 5: mostly curious about why the name on my door was

678
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Speaker 5: different from the name on my. CHART i remember telling.

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Speaker 5: Him he had asked, me you, know when are you?

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Speaker 5: Happy what are moments that you find? Happiness AND i

681
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Speaker 5: told him about this summer CAMP i was going to

682
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Speaker 5: At Duke. University it was like a gets it and

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Speaker 5: talented summer. Camp you spent three weeks with a bunch

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Speaker 5: of other kids who had taken their SATs in seventh

685
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Speaker 5: grade and scored. Well AND i Remember i'd go to

686
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Speaker 5: this camp and all my needs were taken care. OF

687
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 5: i felt LIKE i belonged for the first. TIME i

688
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 5: was also being socially. Transitioned at this. Camp all the

689
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:21,360
Speaker 5: faculty administrators were using my boy name and boy, pronouns.

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00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 7: As were the other.

691
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Speaker 5: Children and SO i told him about, this and instead

692
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Speaker 5: of recognizing that it was just, okay you found other

693
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 5: smart kids that you could get along with for the first,

694
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:31,839
Speaker 5: Time you could be a kid for three weeks WHEN

695
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 5: i came from a hard home, life, right he saw

696
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 5: the transgender part of it and ran with it and

697
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 5: essentially diagnosed me then and.

698
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Speaker 1: There so he attributed your happiness not to being in a,

699
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 1: comfortable welcoming environment with other smart kids who were kind to,

700
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 1: you but instead to the fact that they were telling

701
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 1: you you were a different gender and so your happiness

702
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Speaker 1: was connected to your, gender not to the environment that surrounded.

703
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Speaker 5: You that's, Correct, yeah because that's. Home my family just

704
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Speaker 5: they wouldn't have entertained to that. Idea they wouldn't have

705
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Speaker 5: entertained the idea THAT i was a. Boy and when

706
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Speaker 5: they were, told they were actually super. Shocked my mom

707
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Speaker 5: and my, stepdad who had raised me my entire, life

708
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 5: they said to my dad and my, stepmom you, know

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Speaker 5: we thought maybe she'd come to a. Thing she liked.

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Speaker 5: Girls but you, know the idea THAT i could be

711
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Speaker 5: a boy trapped in a girl's body that wasn't even

712
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Speaker 5: mainstream at the.

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Speaker 1: Time, okay so, fifteen he, says the, doctor she. Says

714
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Speaker 1: the psychiatrist, says, hey this is an. Issue you are

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Speaker 1: a boy trapped in a girl's. Body at. Seventeen you

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Speaker 1: start to get. Testosterone IF i jotted down my notes,

717
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Speaker 1: correctly what kind of sign off is required for? That

718
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Speaker 1: because you're still a minor at that, time.

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Speaker 5: There was no sign off. Required there were maybe forms

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Speaker 5: that we filled off or filled out and then regular

721
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Speaker 5: course of the doctor's. Questionnaires but my, mom who was

722
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Speaker 5: the only one on my birth, certificate the only one

723
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Speaker 5: legally allowed to sign off on these, things she wasn't consulted.

724
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Speaker 1: Whatsoever so seventeen years, old you're on testoster your own

725
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Speaker 1: nineteen years, Old so just after you attain the age of,

726
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Speaker 1: majority you decide that you want to have top, surgery

727
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Speaker 1: you want to have your breast. Removed that seems like

728
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Speaker 1: a hugely impactful. Decision what was that process? Like and

729
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:19,240
Speaker 1: for people out there who may not know what happened after,

730
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Speaker 1: that what kind of surgery? Reaction what does your body

731
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Speaker 1: do when things like that.

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Speaker 5: Occur WHEN i first wanted to get a, MASTECTOMY i

733
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Speaker 5: remember going into These facebook groups where countless other young

734
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Speaker 5: women were having the stectomies and posting their photos before

735
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Speaker 5: and after of their, surgeries all identifying as. Transgender and

736
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Speaker 5: WHEN i sought out a surgery, team it really was

737
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Speaker 5: just you give us this payment for the consultation and

738
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Speaker 5: you come in and it's not even actually you come,

739
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Speaker 5: in you answer a phone call in my, case talk

740
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Speaker 5: to the surgeon for a few basically confirm YA i

741
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Speaker 5: want the, surgery and they send you a bunch of

742
00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 5: paperwork telling you what letters to get with the letters

743
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Speaker 5: need to, say and all these other details just around

744
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Speaker 5: getting insurance to cover it, Essentially so it was pretty

745
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Speaker 5: straightforward at that. Point but WHEN i had the surgery

746
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Speaker 5: a week, before was the first Time i'd ever met the.

747
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Speaker 5: Surgeon it was a real cut and dry kind of you, know,

748
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Speaker 5: hey we're having surgery next. Week make sure you, don't you,

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Speaker 5: know smoke, cigarettes WHICH i didn't even do at the.

750
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Speaker 5: Time that was about the only ADVICE i was. Given

751
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Speaker 5: and then after THIS u.

752
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Speaker 1: Hunt, NO i was just gonna, say your insurance pays for.

753
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Speaker 1: This so your insurance pays for at the, time a

754
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Speaker 1: healthy nineteen year old girl to have her breast, removed

755
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Speaker 1: and basically you barely meet the, doctor you go in

756
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:42,360
Speaker 1: and you have this incredibly significant elective surgery with it

757
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Speaker 1: sounds like very minimal supervision associated with.

758
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Speaker 4: It, yeah.

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Speaker 5: Exactly and what's unfortunate is in the case of the

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Speaker 5: surgeries that they give these young people who identify as,

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Speaker 5: trends in the case of these, missectomies they're. Drainless regular

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Speaker 5: mithsectomies have dreamed the women stay. Overnight in many, cases you.

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Speaker 5: KNOW i was sent home the same day without, dreams

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Speaker 5: and five days later went back for. Postop but by

765
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Speaker 5: THEN i was bruising. SIGNIFICANTLY i had blood pulling in

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Speaker 5: my chest and in my, sides and they didn't really

767
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Speaker 5: seem to think it was a problem.

768
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Speaker 2: Whatsoever this seems.

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Speaker 1: Like and AGAIN i don't know very much about, it

770
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Speaker 1: but to have your breast removed as basically outpatient surgery

771
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Speaker 1: for a healthy nineteen year, OLD i mean this sounds

772
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Speaker 1: barbaric to.

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Speaker 5: Me, yeah, definitely it's absurd in.

774
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Speaker 1: Hindsight and so when did you start to question the

775
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:34,799
Speaker 1: decisions that you had made and that the medical establishment

776
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 1: had helped pull you along. Through when did you start to, say,

777
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 1: hey was this the right? Decision you're. NINETEEN i think

778
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:43,239
Speaker 1: you said you're twenty, Three now you're. Nineteen at what

779
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 1: point do you start, thinking, oh my, goodness HAVE i

780
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Speaker 1: made the right.

781
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:51,359
Speaker 5: Choice shortly after my, surgery when those complications continued to get,

782
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 5: worse when the bruising continued to darken AND i was,

783
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:56,399
Speaker 5: told you, know it'll get lighter with, TIME i tried

784
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:58,840
Speaker 5: reaching out to my surgery team on several different, occasions

785
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:01,760
Speaker 5: and they were equally. Dismissed it that EACH i eventually

786
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,840
Speaker 5: ended up seeing breast oncology at a different hospital in the,

787
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Speaker 5: er and it was there they had to cut my

788
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 5: scars back, open insert, drains AND i had to drain

789
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 5: my chest manually for the next couple of. Weeks around that,

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00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:16,280
Speaker 5: POINT i, Thought, okay my original surgeons were real eager

791
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 5: to take my money and do the initial, surgery but

792
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 5: we're nowhere to be. Found when it came to the

793
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 5: follow up, CARE i started following the. Money from, THERE

794
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 5: i realized just how profitable this industry is that you

795
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Speaker 5: can be a lifelong medical. Patient ended up affording these,

796
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Speaker 5: individuals these doctors performing these procedures millions of, dollars AND,

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Speaker 5: i alongside the CLASSES i was taking at The university

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Speaker 5: Of texas At, austin WHERE i was learning about how

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Speaker 5: important role models are to our concept of self and you,

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00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 5: know growing up to think of ourselves in a healthy,

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00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 5: manner just, Realized, okay there's a different way to be

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00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:48,280
Speaker 5: living my. LIFE i can reclaim my life from this medical.

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00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:51,360
Speaker 5: Industry and that process only took about six. MONTHS i

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00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 5: was still nineteen WHEN i de.

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00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 1: Transitioned could you come back and you stay with, us

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Speaker 1: BECAUSE i want to ask about the lawsuit and make

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00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:06,319
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Speaker 1: they should be charged with crimes because this is. Indefensible

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Speaker 5: after the harm. Occurs there was a disagreement between aust

866
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 5: and defendants on what the statue LIMITATIONS i went it,

867
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 5: starts and we argue that it started in the case

868
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 5: of my therapist when she wrote the letter for my.

869
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 5: Mastectomy they argue it didn't start until they Argue i'm my.

870
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 5: Apologies they argue it started with the letter being. Authored

871
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 5: we argue it didn't start until the surgery occurred because

872
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 5: harm didn't occur until the, surgery AND i couldn't have

873
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 5: sued until.

874
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:24,840
Speaker 1: Then so they're trying to argue there's no liability because

875
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 1: of a statute of limitation, issue not because there was

876
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:30,759
Speaker 1: malpractice committed in your, case Which i'm guessing is the

877
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 1: ballpark argument. Here let me say, this any legislatures that

878
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 1: are out, there and members of the legislator legislature all

879
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:42,799
Speaker 1: over the, country you guys need to eliminate statute of

880
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 1: limitation laws for these young kids who have these. Surgeries

881
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 1: listen to me carefully on, that because these lawsuits need to. Happen,

882
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:53,239
Speaker 1: SOUREN i would imagine one of the goals here is

883
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 1: if you hold these doctors and these hospitals accountable for

884
00:46:57,160 --> 00:46:59,719
Speaker 1: what they did to, you they won't be able to

885
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:02,880
Speaker 1: do to other young. CHILDREN i assume that, is to

886
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:03,839
Speaker 1: a large, extent your.

887
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 5: Goal i'm definitely hoping, that, yeah they'll slow down and

888
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:10,760
Speaker 5: they'll think about how to actually help these, kids because

889
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:14,720
Speaker 5: the surgery and the hormones that they gave me didn't

890
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:17,759
Speaker 5: do anything but make matters. Worse how are you, Now,

891
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 5: Well i'm doing. Great not THAT i have the hormones

892
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:25,840
Speaker 5: and surgery to think for. That MOSTLY i JUST i

893
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 5: feel very resilient and In. BOLDEN i was married last,

894
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:32,879
Speaker 5: month and so starting that life and moving forward having

895
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:35,800
Speaker 5: something to look forward to that's been. Great just admits

896
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:39,760
Speaker 5: the reality that the ISSUES i experienced from medical transition

897
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:40,480
Speaker 5: are going to be.

898
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:43,240
Speaker 1: Lifelong what do you wish you could say to eleven

899
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 1: year Old sore into fifteen year Old sore into nineteen

900
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:46,879
Speaker 1: year Old.

901
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 5: Soren the easiest thing would be to get off your

902
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:54,880
Speaker 5: phone and go. Outside not that she would have, listened

903
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 5: but really just to try and be patient and get

904
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 5: in for me from as many sources as. Possible SOMETHING

905
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:04,279
Speaker 5: i LEARNED i feel far too eight was you can

906
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:06,400
Speaker 5: learn a lot from the people you disagree. With and

907
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 5: if you disagree with someone, right you're either going to

908
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 5: be more affirmed and what you already believe you're going

909
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 5: to have a nuance added to, it or you're going

910
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 5: to change your, mind and as long as you're pursuing,

911
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 5: truth none of those are bad.

912
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 1: Things, well we are all of us in this audience

913
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 1: rooting for, you praying for you to continue to have

914
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:24,839
Speaker 1: great things happen in your. Life thank you for sharing your.

915
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:27,240
Speaker 1: Story you can read it at The Wall Street, journal

916
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 1: and please keep us updated on what The Texas.

917
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 2: Supreme court does for.

918
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:31,799
Speaker 7: Sure.

919
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 2: Thanks that is Soren.

920
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:36,400
Speaker 1: Aldco when we come, back we'll dive back into the.

921
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:38,479
Speaker 1: TARIFFS i bet that a lot of you are going

922
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 1: to want to react to her eight hundred two eight

923
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:44,240
Speaker 1: two two eight eight. Two you can also use the talkback.

924
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 1: Function we're going to make sure that gets up on.

925
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 1: YouTube so for those of you out there with kids

926
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 1: or grandkids that you think might benefit from hearing that,

927
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 1: CONVERSATION i think there are a lot of people that

928
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 1: would be in that.

929
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 2: Camp more on, this more on.

930
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 1: Tariffs we'll finish off the final half hour of the

931
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:01,320
Speaker 1: week Next thanks for hanging out with us on The

932
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:05,760
Speaker 1: clay And Buck. Show Speaking welcome back In, Clay Travis

933
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 1: Buck Sexton. SHOW a lot of you weighing in and,

934
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 1: AGAIN i would encourage you to go read store in

935
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:17,400
Speaker 1: Now Deco's. Peace there are going to be a lot

936
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:20,080
Speaker 1: AND i think it's incredibly. Sad there are going to

937
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 1: be a lot of people like, her and a lot

938
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 1: of people that are on the flip side having surgeries

939
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 1: in different ways that, Realize oh, MAN i was just

940
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 1: a really depressed kid in my teenage years AND i

941
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 1: had all sorts of hormones going. On BUT i think

942
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 1: the story that she shared is an important one and

943
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:42,759
Speaker 1: if you didn't hear, it we're going to put it

944
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 1: up on. YouTube i would encourage, you if you're just

945
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:47,440
Speaker 1: getting into your cars right, now go listen to it

946
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:49,719
Speaker 1: BECAUSE i think a lot of, parents a lot of,

947
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 1: grandparents a lot of teachers out there who are dealing

948
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 1: with adolescents age. Eleven unhappy kid goes. Online initially goes

949
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:02,719
Speaker 1: on hand and Held nintendo device she plays games. On

950
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 1: eventually that leads into people finding her online and, saying,

951
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:10,760
Speaker 1: hey maybe the reason you're unhappy is because you're actually

952
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 1: a boy in a girl's. Body then goes off to

953
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 1: sounds like a really smart kid goes to a duke summer.

954
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:22,280
Speaker 1: Camp people there believe they're doing the kind thing by, saying,

955
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:24,840
Speaker 1: oh you're a, Boy we're going to start calling you

956
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 1: by a different.

957
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:27,480
Speaker 2: Name we're going to start calling you a.

958
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 1: Boy goes to a psychiatrist at, fifteen psychiatrist, says, oh

959
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:38,200
Speaker 1: you're a, boy start giving testosterone to her at. Seventeen

960
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:42,959
Speaker 1: by nineteen a doctor took her breast off and sent

961
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:49,959
Speaker 1: her home in the same. Day voluntary breast removal. Surgery

962
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:52,880
Speaker 1: some of you out there that have had breast cancer

963
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:56,399
Speaker 1: and had to have msectomies as a result of, that

964
00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:00,759
Speaker 1: think about how wild that is that you allow a,

965
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:03,640
Speaker 1: child because a nineteen year old is still a child

966
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:08,920
Speaker 1: in many, ways to have voluntary breast removal surgery and

967
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:11,719
Speaker 1: then send them home the same. Day how about the

968
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 1: fact that insurance dollars paid for. That and right now

969
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 1: she's got a case in front of The Supreme court

970
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 1: that has to deal with a statute of limitations related.

971
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 1: Issue AND i want to reiterate something THAT i think

972
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:28,319
Speaker 1: is really. Important we got members of state legislatures in

973
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 1: all fifty. STATES i would wager listening to us right

974
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:36,239
Speaker 1: now From alaska all the way To, florida somebody in

975
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 1: the state legislature in every fifty states is listening right,

976
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:41,800
Speaker 1: here and if it's not somebody who's a, member certainly

977
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:48,879
Speaker 1: staff are. Listening eliminate statutes of limitations on these medical malpractice,

978
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 1: suits because the doctors are going to try to, say,

979
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:55,359
Speaker 1: WELL i Believe soren's twenty three years. Old, now, well,

980
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:59,279
Speaker 1: sorry the statute of limitations told on our decision to

981
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 1: take your boob, off and so as a, result oh are.

982
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:05,920
Speaker 1: Bad there's no way for you to be able to

983
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 1: sue on. This, well think about your own. Childhood how

984
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:13,480
Speaker 1: often when you were fifteen or, sixteen by the time

985
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 1: you were twenty, five did you THINK i can't believe

986
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:19,759
Speaker 1: we did. THAT i can't BELIEVE i did. THAT i

987
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:21,799
Speaker 1: can't believe that me and my friends did. THAT i

988
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 1: can't believe that we made the choices that we. Did,

989
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:28,400
Speaker 1: oh tough, break you've been. Sterilized you can't have kids.

990
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:31,879
Speaker 1: Anymore and the people who encouraged you to have these,

991
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:35,839
Speaker 1: surgeries the insurance companies that paid for, it the hospitals

992
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 1: that okayed, it the doctors that signed off on. It,

993
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 1: oh they're not responsible. Anymore, nope we need these doctors

994
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 1: at a minimum held financially responsible for all these. SURGERIES

995
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:51,719
Speaker 1: i think they should lose their medical, licenses AND i

996
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 1: think that many of them should actually face criminal prosecution

997
00:52:56,160 --> 00:53:01,480
Speaker 1: because they're making millions of dollars to destroy young. Bodies it's.

998
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:07,239
Speaker 1: Barbaric AND i Appreciate soren telling her story with all

999
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:10,479
Speaker 1: of us and sharing that story in The Wall Street,

1000
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:12,920
Speaker 1: journal because what do you hear all the time if

1001
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:16,399
Speaker 1: you're a, mom or your, dad or your grandma or, grandpa.

1002
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:17,840
Speaker 2: Or you're a. Teacher you're a.

1003
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:24,319
Speaker 1: Preacher they have really tried to emotionally manipulate people by,

1004
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 1: saying would you rather.

1005
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:26,640
Speaker 2: HAVE i guarantee?

1006
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:29,759
Speaker 1: You at some Point soren's family heard would you rather

1007
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:34,840
Speaker 1: have a dead daughter or a live? Son the idea

1008
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 1: being if you don't allow these surgeries to, happen your

1009
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 1: kid's gonna commit suicide and it's going to be your.

1010
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:43,680
Speaker 2: Fault it's just.

1011
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 1: It it is barbaric that we have allowed this to

1012
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:50,359
Speaker 1: occur in any. Way AND i think this is one

1013
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:52,640
Speaker 1: where the plainiff's lawyers out. THERE i know we got

1014
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:57,240
Speaker 1: plainiff's lawyers. Listening this is one where the plainiff's lawyers

1015
00:53:57,239 --> 00:54:00,759
Speaker 1: are going to be the good guys because it's going

1016
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:03,799
Speaker 1: to take multimillion dollar. Verdicts we just saw one come

1017
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:06,719
Speaker 1: out Of New york for a lot of people to

1018
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:09,440
Speaker 1: do what they know they should, do but they're cowards

1019
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:12,040
Speaker 1: to do. It what DO i mean by? That there's

1020
00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:16,520
Speaker 1: a lot of bean counters that work in hospitals trying

1021
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 1: to get their eight percent increase profit margin every, year

1022
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:24,080
Speaker 1: and when they start to see insurance rates go up

1023
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 1: on these surgeries because the doctors are getting hit with

1024
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:30,719
Speaker 1: huge medical malpractice, bills a lot of them are going

1025
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:33,000
Speaker 1: to start to do what we've seen happen all over the.

1026
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:35,440
Speaker 1: Country they're going to start to, say you know, WHAT

1027
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:37,279
Speaker 1: i don't know if this hospital should do these kind

1028
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 1: of surgeries. Anymore it's not because they're making the moral.

1029
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:43,880
Speaker 1: Choice it's because they're going to use the business side

1030
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:47,920
Speaker 1: imperatives to dictate the choices that they. Make and they

1031
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 1: may know morally it's been in the, wrong but they're

1032
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:54,840
Speaker 1: afraid of being targeted by the trans community where they, say,

1033
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:59,120
Speaker 1: oh my, goodness insert hospital here doesn't allow top surgeries.

1034
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 1: Anymore for team age. Girls they're the bad guy and

1035
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:07,239
Speaker 1: they're afraid of losing their job and having themselves, targeted

1036
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 1: so they can use the financial side as an excuse

1037
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:13,160
Speaker 1: for why they should be making the choice that they're

1038
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:18,280
Speaker 1: not morally brave enough to. Make plain of lawyers fire

1039
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:24,480
Speaker 1: file these. Lawsuits members of the state legislature file bills

1040
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:29,280
Speaker 1: eliminating statute of limitations for anyone who has so called

1041
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:34,160
Speaker 1: gender reassignment. Surgery allow these, kids as they age into

1042
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:39,040
Speaker 1: adults and realize what adults did to, them to come

1043
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:41,800
Speaker 1: back and hold the, doctors to, hospitals the insurance companies

1044
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:46,359
Speaker 1: accountable for decisions that, frankly they weren't old enough and

1045
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:48,879
Speaker 1: mature enough to be able to make on their.

1046
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:51,560
Speaker 2: Own AND i think you're.

1047
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:54,680
Speaker 1: Gonna, hear, sadly way more people Like soren coming out

1048
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:57,680
Speaker 1: and speaking out and telling you about what happened to.

1049
00:55:57,719 --> 00:56:02,759
Speaker 1: THEM a lot of people, wait In genie In, Syracuse New,

1050
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 1: york what about A?

1051
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 2: Genie what have you got for?

1052
00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:08,239
Speaker 1: US a.

1053
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:13,240
Speaker 9: NOON i feel that everyone that encountered this young woman

1054
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:17,359
Speaker 9: is at. Fault AND i totally agree with everything you just,

1055
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 9: said because as an eighty three year old, WOMAN i

1056
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:25,360
Speaker 9: still remember puber tea AND i remember at least five

1057
00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:30,719
Speaker 9: friends that went through different systems THAN i. Did we

1058
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:34,480
Speaker 9: had to discuss. It but in my, age the nurse

1059
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:37,560
Speaker 9: would send a note home to my mother and father

1060
00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:40,919
Speaker 9: and SAY i want to have your child be meet

1061
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:43,719
Speaker 9: with the, nurse with just women and discuss what they're

1062
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:47,080
Speaker 9: going through as the eleven and twelve year. OLDS i

1063
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 9: have not even heard a thing About latin now and

1064
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:53,040
Speaker 9: it made a. Difference it explained why you have this

1065
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:57,200
Speaker 9: feeling that, feeling and no one listened except the mother

1066
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:01,360
Speaker 9: to this young. Woman and they're all. Fault the camp

1067
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:03,200
Speaker 9: is a. Fault they didn't hear you say about that.

1068
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 2: Camp, yeah, WELL.

1069
00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:06,759
Speaker 1: I, mean thank you for the, Call. Genie and let

1070
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:11,239
Speaker 1: me just say, this tomboys are. Real there's a lot

1071
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:14,799
Speaker 1: of you out there listening right now that when you were, ten,

1072
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:17,440
Speaker 1: eleven twelve years, old you might addressed like a. Boy

1073
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:20,480
Speaker 1: you might have run around and played athletics with. Boys

1074
00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:22,840
Speaker 1: you might have felt more like you were a boy

1075
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:26,520
Speaker 1: than a. Girl and then puberty, happens and everybody's a

1076
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:29,880
Speaker 1: little bit uncomfortable with their body when puberty, happens boys and.

1077
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:33,360
Speaker 1: Girls and instead of somebody, saying, hey you're gonna be,

1078
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:36,600
Speaker 1: okay Like jeanie just, said who's eighty three years, old

1079
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:40,439
Speaker 1: people had sanity back. Then now it is a form

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00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 1: of toxic, empathy and the camp is guilty. Too the

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00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:49,000
Speaker 1: camp thought that they were being. Kind they thought that

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00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:53,000
Speaker 1: they were helping a troubled child by telling, her, oh

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00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:53,760
Speaker 1: you're really a.

1084
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:58,920
Speaker 2: Boy sometimes the best love is tough.

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00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:03,760
Speaker 1: Love adults sitting down kids and, SAYING i know you

1086
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:06,320
Speaker 1: feel this way right, Now you're.

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00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:07,840
Speaker 2: Wrong trust me on.

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00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:10,960
Speaker 1: This and by the, way what's the harm in saying

1089
00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:14,360
Speaker 1: if you still feel this way when you are twenty

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00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:17,800
Speaker 1: five or thirty five or forty, five you have an

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00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:21,600
Speaker 1: entire life to change your. Body you don't need to

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00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:25,160
Speaker 1: do it when you're fifteen or. Seventeen you don't need

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00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:28,920
Speaker 1: to have your breast chopped off at nineteen in elective.

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00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:31,960
Speaker 1: SURGERY i just can't believe we're here at, All kevin

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00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:34,280
Speaker 1: In San, Ramon, California, kevin what you got for?

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00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:40,280
Speaker 4: Us love you, guys and looking to Get klay's Or bucks,

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00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:44,240
Speaker 4: book but looking at The SERIOUS xm for three hours of.

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Speaker 10: THAT i hope that comes up soon and.

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00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:48,360
Speaker 2: Let me say sorry to cut you. Off.

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00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:52,360
Speaker 1: Kevin we are only on channel one twenty three first two,

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00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:55,680
Speaker 1: hours so it's not your serious that's wrong if you're reaching, OUT.

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00:58:55,720 --> 00:59:00,000
Speaker 1: SiriusXM the third hour is being added soon On channel

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00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:03,080
Speaker 1: one twenty. Three first two hours are there if you're,

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00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:06,280
Speaker 1: listening and then you're, like, wait what? HAPPENED i promised

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00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:08,200
Speaker 1: the third hour is coming. Soon sorry to cut you, Off,

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00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:10,120
Speaker 1: kevin but we've gotten some questions about, that AND i

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00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:11,520
Speaker 1: wanted to make sure THAT i mentioned.

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00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:13,560
Speaker 10: It thank.

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00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:18,959
Speaker 1: YOU i think that Was kevin calling. IN i hope

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00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:20,720
Speaker 1: he Gets buck's. Book buck had to duck. Out he's

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00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:25,080
Speaker 1: doing promotion everywhere for that. Book frank And Fort, Myers. Florida,

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00:59:25,120 --> 00:59:26,320
Speaker 1: frank thanks for.

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00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:28,840
Speaker 2: Calling, yes thanks for taking my.

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00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:29,440
Speaker 7: CALL i love your.

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00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:29,680
Speaker 2: Show.

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00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:33,000
Speaker 4: LISTEN i, SORRY i disagree with you with the doctors

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00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:35,440
Speaker 4: in the hospitals being. Accountable what about the accountability of

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00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:37,320
Speaker 4: the parents thanks to?

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Speaker 1: Surgery, okay let me ask you a. Question hold on,

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Speaker 1: me let me ask you a. Question, frank AND i

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00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:47,240
Speaker 1: want you to think about this as if you're a

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00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:47,520
Speaker 1: mom or.

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00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:48,200
Speaker 2: Dad i'm a.

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00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:51,440
Speaker 1: Dad if a doctor sits, down if a doctor sits

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00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:54,800
Speaker 1: down with, you and your kid is incredibly, troubled and

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00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:57,520
Speaker 1: you're taking him to a, Psychiatrist you're taking him to a,

1127
00:59:57,520 --> 01:00:00,440
Speaker 1: Psychologist you're taking him to all different sorts of, doctors

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01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:04,160
Speaker 1: and they say to, you if your daughter doesn't have this.

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01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:08,960
Speaker 1: Surgery she's going to kill. Herself this is medically necessary

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01:00:09,080 --> 01:00:12,600
Speaker 1: in my, OPINION i don't think it's the parents that

1131
01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:15,640
Speaker 1: are the villains. HERE i agree with. YOU i wish that.

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01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:17,680
Speaker 1: More that's WHY i want to have this. CONVERSATION i

1133
01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:19,440
Speaker 1: wish that more parents would push.

1134
01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:20,960
Speaker 2: Back but a lot.

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01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:25,480
Speaker 1: Of us, parents, grandparents teachers have been taught defer to

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01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:29,240
Speaker 1: doctors on medical. Judgment when a doctor who has gone

1137
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:32,880
Speaker 1: to school for seven years is, saying in my professional,

1138
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:36,840
Speaker 1: opinion your son or daughter needs this, SURGERY i think

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01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:40,080
Speaker 1: it's hard for most parents to, say particularly when they're

1140
01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:43,360
Speaker 1: being emotionally manipulated and they're, saying your kid's going to

1141
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:46,800
Speaker 1: kill themselves unless we do this. SURGERY i think it's

1142
01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:47,440
Speaker 1: hard to blame the.

1143
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:49,800
Speaker 2: Parents, YEAH i think that's a bit.

1144
01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:53,720
Speaker 4: EXTREME i still they should have taken to another. Doctor,

1145
01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:57,440
Speaker 4: THEN i disagree with. THAT i do believe that the

1146
01:00:57,560 --> 01:01:00,920
Speaker 4: parents are at one hundred percent full for allowness to go.

1147
01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:02,800
Speaker 1: Through, okay let me ask you, This let me ask,

1148
01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:04,800
Speaker 1: you hold, on, frank let me ask you. This what

1149
01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:06,760
Speaker 1: if instead of sore and SAYING i Think i'm a

1150
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:10,360
Speaker 1: boy and a girl's, body she had, SAID i Think

1151
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:13,479
Speaker 1: i'm a, pirate AND i need to have my leg

1152
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:16,360
Speaker 1: chopped off BECAUSE i want a peg. Leg AND i

1153
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:18,840
Speaker 1: want you to also take one of my eyes BECAUSE

1154
01:01:18,840 --> 01:01:21,400
Speaker 1: i want to wear an eye. Patch and a doctor,

1155
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:23,920
Speaker 1: said you know, WHAT i think you are a. Pirate

1156
01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:26,840
Speaker 1: we should take your leg off and your eye. Off

1157
01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:31,920
Speaker 1: would you think that the doctor deserved no criticism.

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01:01:31,160 --> 01:01:32,560
Speaker 7: Now because the doctor's completely?

1159
01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:33,840
Speaker 4: Wrong SO i, said go to another.

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01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:37,400
Speaker 1: Doctor, OKAY i appreciate. You but what if all the,

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01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:39,320
Speaker 1: doctors what if it thinks were the. Call what if

1162
01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:42,960
Speaker 1: the medical establishment all had the same, opinion which they

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01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:45,440
Speaker 1: did until about a year, ago which is this is

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01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:48,400
Speaker 1: medically necessary. Surgery and what if they had fought so

1165
01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:55,600
Speaker 1: hard think about, this insurance covered. It insurance companies cover

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01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:59,720
Speaker 1: a nineteen year old girl SAYING i need to get

1167
01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:04,600
Speaker 1: my boobs chopped off, now not to get graphic with,

1168
01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:09,120
Speaker 1: you but insurance companies would not cover a nineteen year

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01:02:09,160 --> 01:02:12,240
Speaker 1: old girl who went in and, said my boobs are

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01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:18,080
Speaker 1: not big. ENOUGH i need to have breast augmentation. Surgery

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01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:20,360
Speaker 1: we got a whole rig job going on. Here and

1172
01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:22,400
Speaker 1: by the, way you can have all different sorts of

1173
01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:27,520
Speaker 1: plastic surgery if that makes you. Happier but unless it's medically,

1174
01:02:27,640 --> 01:02:32,960
Speaker 1: necessary it's not covered by. Insurance so this has been

1175
01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:39,320
Speaker 1: defined as medically, necessary such that her breasts were removed

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01:02:40,240 --> 01:02:42,520
Speaker 1: and the insurance company paid for.

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01:02:42,560 --> 01:02:47,680
Speaker 2: It ben in Reading, California, ben what you got for?

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01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:53,040
Speaker 10: Us you, guys so just wanted to call and confirmed, that,

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01:02:53,200 --> 01:02:58,360
Speaker 10: yes you can be sent home after either breast surgery

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01:02:58,400 --> 01:02:59,880
Speaker 10: or breast removal.

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01:03:01,160 --> 01:03:01,280
Speaker 7: That.

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01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:03,800
Speaker 2: Day, yeah THAT i don't.

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01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:06,840
Speaker 1: KNOW i don't know a lot about, This, ben did

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01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:08,760
Speaker 1: YOUR i think it says your wife had to have

1185
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:11,400
Speaker 1: the surgery for breast, cancer.

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01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:16,160
Speaker 10: Breast, cancer had breast, removal and it was, like you,

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01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:19,440
Speaker 10: know there was a process to, it of, course and

1188
01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:24,040
Speaker 10: but one day you end up going in and in

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01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:28,960
Speaker 10: forty five, minutes hour later you know you're out of.

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01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:31,840
Speaker 10: Surgery and then a few hours later you're being sent.

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01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:34,760
Speaker 1: Home, okay well let me let me sorry to cut you,

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01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:37,400
Speaker 1: off BUT i, okay that may well be.

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01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:39,200
Speaker 2: True it may depend on the type of.

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01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:41,760
Speaker 1: Surgery WHAT i would point out is your wife had

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01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:45,680
Speaker 1: breast cancer surgery because otherwise she might have died of breast.

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01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:50,920
Speaker 10: Cancer, well they had to remove it because of the

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01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:51,960
Speaker 10: style of the kind of.

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01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:55,080
Speaker 1: Breathas, okay so she had a serious medical condition that

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Speaker 1: required her to have surgery to have her breast. Removed

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01:03:58,560 --> 01:04:01,320
Speaker 1: she wasn't nineteen years old and deciding to have her

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01:04:01,360 --> 01:04:05,080
Speaker 1: breast remove, voluntarily and having seen that, SURGERY.

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01:04:04,720 --> 01:04:08,000
Speaker 10: I, mean, yeah What i'm confirming is they do send you.

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01:04:08,080 --> 01:04:11,800
Speaker 1: Home but having seen that, Surgery, OKAY i appreciate. That

1204
01:04:11,880 --> 01:04:14,800
Speaker 1: having seen that, surgery what would you think if you

1205
01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:18,360
Speaker 1: found that nineteen year olds were voluntarily having their breast?

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01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:18,800
Speaker 7: Removed?

1207
01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:22,640
Speaker 10: Horrible BECAUSE i can also tell you that my daughter's

1208
01:04:22,680 --> 01:04:27,880
Speaker 10: best friend had it. Done, yeah and she cannot understand

1209
01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:31,960
Speaker 10: why her best friend did. That, also you know that

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01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:36,800
Speaker 10: person moved north From california To, oregon AND i don't

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Speaker 10: know if some other things happened up, there Because oregon

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Speaker 1: Reporting, well thank you for the. Call i've got to

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Speaker 1: hit a break, here but thank you for the call

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Speaker 1: about that. CALL i don't know necessarily how long people

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Speaker 1: stay in, surgery stay in hospitals after. Surgery the big

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Speaker 1: issue here is the surgery shouldn't. Exist it should not

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