1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,200 Speaker 1: I enjoy the process. I think so much of this 2 00:00:02,560 --> 00:00:04,960 Speaker 1: is I want to get through meetings. I want to 3 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:06,920 Speaker 1: get through April meetings with the coaches. I want to 4 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:09,639 Speaker 1: get through our thirty visits. We get to bring thirty 5 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:12,879 Speaker 1: guys in before the draft, so we're not even halfway 6 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 1: there with those visits. So I think the lead up 7 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:18,040 Speaker 1: to the draft, maybe the week before the draft is 8 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 1: when you really hone in on the plan. But I'm 9 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:21,919 Speaker 1: enjoying this process. 10 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 2: Are you counting if you are? I know you are 11 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 2: if you're keeping score at home, Gibbe, we are three 12 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 2: weeks away from the NFL's Annual Selection Meeting, otherwise known 13 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:36,879 Speaker 2: as the twenty twenty five NFL Draft. In with that, 14 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:40,519 Speaker 2: we welcome you into another edition of BPA, the best 15 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 2: podcast available. At the Home Office. Back from the Annual Meeting, 16 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 2: not the owner's meeting. It's the annual meeting. Back from 17 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 2: the annual meeting. Here, I'm at the home office that 18 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:54,960 Speaker 2: was in Florida. Gibbe is building an arc outside the 19 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 2: Cross Country Mortgage campus with awful storms in Northeast Ohio. 20 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 2: Are you okay? 21 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 3: I'm great. I got in here before the rain started. 22 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 2: Yeah. 23 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 3: Now getting to my car and then getting home. I've 24 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:10,320 Speaker 3: been told by numerous people is going to be a 25 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 3: little bit of an adventure today. Okay, a lot of 26 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 3: roads flooded out and a lot of things. If you're 27 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 3: if you're in the Cleveland area and watching this or 28 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 3: listening to this, make sure you just take your time 29 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 3: getting around town here for the next twenty four to 30 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 3: thirty six hours and then and then some because it 31 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:30,679 Speaker 3: sounds like this rain maker might go through the weekend. 32 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 2: Two hands on the wheel, please be safe. And I'm 33 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 2: not joking there. Definitely, if you are actually building Noah's Ark, 34 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 2: you need two dogs on that arc of course as 35 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:44,679 Speaker 2: they go two by two onto the arc to get 36 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 2: the heck out of northeast Ohio, or just stay there please. 37 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 3: I'm good with four dogs and no cats. I'm not 38 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 3: a big cat guy. 39 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 2: Do you have four dogs at them? No? 40 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 3: But I mean I'm just saying, okay, I see cats, 41 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 3: dogs and just take the dogs brief aside. 42 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 2: I'm the same way, by the way, with the cats. 43 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 2: Somebody on social media, I don't even remember the guy's name, 44 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 2: but took a shot at me recently and I looked 45 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 2: at his avatar, his like, you know, his profile because 46 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:13,240 Speaker 2: I was stuck in traffic and nothing better to do, 47 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 2: and it was just a picture of a cat. And 48 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 2: I rarely ever clap back. Matter of fact, I don't 49 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 2: clap back friends, kids like, if you're on social media, 50 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 2: just step away. There's no need to clap back. But 51 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 2: I saw the guy's pictures profile picture was just a cat, 52 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:32,919 Speaker 2: and I almost but I didn't. I almost answered you're 53 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 2: a cat, like your picture is a cat, dude, But 54 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 2: it's not worth going there. There's a reason that the 55 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 2: other pod we do the bark Tank. There's a reason 56 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 2: where the dogs, right, there's a reason there's a dog 57 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:48,240 Speaker 2: pad because dogs are better than cats. And there really 58 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 2: is no debate. Matter of fact, I won't allow you 59 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 2: to debate it. People say, oh that's debatable. This is 60 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:56,400 Speaker 2: not debatable, period, full stop. I've already eaten two minutes 61 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 2: of our time. All right, let's get Gibbe to the 62 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 2: annual meeting. There is a lot to take from the 63 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 2: annual meeting. Kevin Stefanski spoke, we will speak to coach 64 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 2: coming up later in this episode. Andrew Barry spoke as well, 65 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 2: and Jimmy and d HASLM Ownership spoke as well, there 66 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 2: are headline grabbing comments from Jimmy about the trade from 67 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:19,959 Speaker 2: Jimmy has them about the Deshaun Watson trade about the 68 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:22,240 Speaker 2: swing and the miss. My two cents though on this, 69 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 2: and I said this on CBD earlier in the week, 70 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:28,799 Speaker 2: is that they need some context after these swing and 71 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:30,919 Speaker 2: a miss comments, which no one can debate right now. 72 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:33,239 Speaker 2: And it is refreshing to hear that, obviously, and the 73 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 2: accountability part of it as well. Or hey listen, one 74 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 2: of the reasons it hasn't worked is because of the 75 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 2: three major injuries. Deshaun is hard at work trying to 76 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 2: get back healthy, we see it on his Instagram, but 77 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 2: the two Achilles injuries and the shoulder injury in twenty 78 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 2: twenty three is a big reason that you classify at 79 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 2: Gibbet as a swing and a miss. But then you 80 00:03:57,200 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 2: move forward and you look at the second overall pick. 81 00:03:59,880 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 2: I want people to wrap their head around the fact 82 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 2: that it may not be a quarterback. We've been telling 83 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 2: you for a while it may not be a quarterback. 84 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 2: And that was my one big takeaway. It may not 85 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 2: be a quarterback, but they have to find a way 86 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 2: to fix the quarterback, and it might be at thirty three. 87 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 2: It might be somewhere else in the draft, or wrap 88 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 2: your head around it. It may not be in this draft. 89 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 2: Give me that you find a long term solution. 90 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 3: From Jimmy Haslam at the league meetings on Monday, in 91 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:34,480 Speaker 3: his meeting with the beat writers and the media that 92 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:38,599 Speaker 3: covered this football team, quote, I think the message is 93 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:41,160 Speaker 3: if the right person's there, we're going to take him. 94 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 3: If not, we'll figure it out for a year or 95 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:45,920 Speaker 3: two until we get the right person. And I just 96 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 3: keep saying we need good football players. There's good football 97 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:50,360 Speaker 3: players in this draft, and we've got to make sure 98 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:53,159 Speaker 3: we get the right ones for us. He talked about 99 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 3: obviously needing to nail this second pick and taking care 100 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 3: of it and getting the right guy and right players 101 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:04,160 Speaker 3: in here not just on Thursday night, but on Friday 102 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 3: night and then on Saturday afternoon. And there is a 103 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 3: lot of talent. And as we get closer to the draft, 104 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 3: we'll go through some of the positions strength wise, from 105 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:18,160 Speaker 3: top to bottom. There's a lot of depth in positions 106 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 3: that we need in addition to the quarterback. So I 107 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:26,920 Speaker 3: understand where he's coming from. I hope that you at 108 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:30,039 Speaker 3: least take one sooner rather than later in this year's draft, 109 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 3: depending on what happens. 110 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:35,239 Speaker 2: Absolutely, and it might be with the thirty third pick, 111 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 2: it might be with the trade back into the first 112 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:39,920 Speaker 2: round to get that fifth year, or to get ahead 113 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 2: of a team that may be taking the quarterback that 114 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 2: you like. Aaron Rodgers is a key part in this 115 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:48,480 Speaker 2: as we sit here and record it on Wednesday afternoon, 116 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:51,920 Speaker 2: twenty two days before the draft. The Steelers don't have 117 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 2: a quarterback now. If Aaron Rodgers goes there, you'd have 118 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 2: to think they're out of the quarterback market at twenty one. 119 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 2: But if they don't get Rogers, if he decides to 120 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 2: sit and take phone calls on FaceTime audio in his 121 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:07,280 Speaker 2: house in Malibu, then they may have to take a 122 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 2: quarterback at twenty one. How does that affect the Browns. 123 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:12,359 Speaker 2: It'll be fascinating once we get to the draft. But 124 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers clarity I think would help a lot. Just 125 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 2: keep your mind open to the idea that it is 126 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:25,599 Speaker 2: not quarterback at two. Andrew Berry spoke on Sunday, Sadly, 127 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 2: I had a travel nightmare on Sunday. I got there safely, 128 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 2: but I was not there in time for AB's presser. 129 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 2: Obviously I've listened to and watched the entire thing. The 130 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:36,239 Speaker 2: headline for a lot of people give it is hey, 131 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 2: we're unlikely his words, AB's words to trade up a 132 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 2: number of reasons. This is my analysis. First of all, 133 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 2: it's going to cost so you've got to truly love 134 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:50,599 Speaker 2: the player, and you'd have to assume the player is 135 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:53,360 Speaker 2: cam Ward to actually give up the assets. But number two, 136 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 2: I think the Titans don't want to get out, and 137 00:06:57,160 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 2: I think they love cam Ward, and for them to 138 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:02,479 Speaker 2: get out, it will cost you an arm and a leg. 139 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:05,160 Speaker 2: It'll cost you the entire Noah's ark. We'll go back 140 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:08,720 Speaker 2: to that, and there has never been a trade two 141 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 2: to one ever in the history of the NFL Draft, 142 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 2: so there's no real precedent. It's going to cost at 143 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 2: least you at least next year is one. The idea 144 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 2: that you could just flip them a third and they'll 145 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 2: do it is not going to work. The only way 146 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 2: that works, Gibbe is if the Titans are bluffing they 147 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 2: don't want cam Ward, and when they are on the clock, 148 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 2: they will literally take anything because it's you know, a 149 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 2: profit one way or the other and move down to two. 150 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 2: But I don't think that's the case. 151 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, I go back and forth because I don't know 152 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 3: what the value is. Like you said, it's never happened, 153 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 3: so I find it hard to believe it would happen. 154 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 3: And unless Andrew Berry is steering us down a different direction, 155 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 3: it doesn't sound like this football team has an interest 156 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 3: in moving up to They If anything, they're gonna stand 157 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 3: padded two see what happens, or maybe they're gonna move 158 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 3: back to How many spots are they going to move back? 159 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 3: I don't really know, but I mean, I think all 160 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 3: the options around the table, including just staying at number two, 161 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 3: seeing what Tennessee does, and making a pick on Thursday night. 162 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 2: The only scenario in which the Browns move up to 163 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 2: one is this. The Titans are bluffing, they really don't 164 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 2: want cam Ward, and when they are on the clock, 165 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:31,120 Speaker 2: they let it be known to the Browns, with the 166 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 2: Giants or really whomever. All right, we'll get out who's 167 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:37,199 Speaker 2: got the best offer. 168 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 3: And that could happen right at eight ten. I believe 169 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 3: when Tennessee goes on the clock. 170 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:48,560 Speaker 2: I don't think that is a likely scenario, but it 171 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:53,320 Speaker 2: is a scenario. Also a scenario the Browns go get 172 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:55,840 Speaker 2: a veteran quarterback. There's really only one guy left, assuming 173 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 2: it's not Aaron Rodgers, and the Steelers are the only 174 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 2: option for him. That one is the guy that went 175 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 2: to Chipotle and got double chicken with salad. That guy, 176 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 2: he was in a Westlake Chipotle. 177 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:12,080 Speaker 3: He was here. I did not I wanted to actually fun. 178 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 3: I thought ai or I thought something someone was having 179 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 3: a great old time last week, given all the other 180 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 3: things that we had heard and talked about. But he 181 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 3: was indeed here. Now obviously no contact with the Browns, 182 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 3: and the Browns had no contact with him because the 183 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:31,439 Speaker 3: rules forbid it. 184 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 2: But he was in Cleveland, Andrew Berry. May it be 185 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 2: known that he was there for reasons other than the Browns. 186 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 2: I don't know what those reasons are. Maybe he thinks 187 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 2: he's going to eventually be with the Browns, and he 188 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 2: hired a realtor or pulled up Redpin on his phone. 189 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:52,559 Speaker 3: And just wanted to wander around, to be one of 190 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 3: the Cower home in Strongsville. 191 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 2: I don't know. Maybe yeah, just randomly check out the 192 00:09:57,240 --> 00:10:00,240 Speaker 2: west Side. Why not? It's lovely this time, I mean 193 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:04,200 Speaker 2: the best, it is all. I'm an east Side guy personally. 194 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:05,320 Speaker 3: But you know we can't be perfect. 195 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 2: Well that's where my family is. I understand that. But 196 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:10,840 Speaker 2: I will say this, this season, I got to spend 197 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 2: a lot more time on the West side. Kind of 198 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 2: opened my eyes and I see, I see your opinion there. 199 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 3: I mean I I my father grew up on the 200 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:20,319 Speaker 3: East Side, so yeah, I just as did Biden. I 201 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 3: have to do some friendly ribbing when it comes to that. 202 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 2: And I totally get it. I think I'll say it 203 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:28,959 Speaker 2: out loud. This is a team platform. I think Kirk 204 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:31,559 Speaker 2: Cousins is an option. I do think he's an option, 205 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:33,679 Speaker 2: and I do think that can happen. I can also 206 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 2: tell you from conversations that I have had with people 207 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:39,079 Speaker 2: around the league, Kirk Cousins would really like to know 208 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 2: if he's going to a team that's going to draft 209 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:43,480 Speaker 2: a rookie quarterback high with the intent to play that 210 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 2: rookie quarterback, because he doesn't want to have happened this year, 211 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 2: what happened last year where he got pennixed, where the 212 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:53,560 Speaker 2: Falcons drafted a quarterback in the top ten and eventually 213 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 2: handed him the keys. He doesn't want to do that. 214 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 2: You understand why he doesn't want to be in that situation. 215 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 2: The other side of it is, once we get to 216 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 2: and through the draft, there may not be any other 217 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 2: situation left and if he wants to play, it may 218 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 2: have to be here. Clearly, we've gone over and you 219 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 2: know this if you're a listener and a fan, that 220 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:18,199 Speaker 2: Kevin Stefanski and Kirk Cousins have a history together in Minnesota, 221 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:23,559 Speaker 2: and I think Kirk Cousins can play. Not a slam 222 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:28,440 Speaker 2: of Kenny Pickett, but I'd rather have Kirk Cousins right now. 223 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 2: Kenny Pickett's a darn good second option with a guy 224 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 2: with twenty five career starts and still a young guy 225 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:37,840 Speaker 2: on an affordable contract, that might be a quarterback room. 226 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 2: You also have to ask aloud, Gibbie, hey, if the 227 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 2: Browns were to draft a quarterback of the third or 228 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:46,559 Speaker 2: fourth round with less pressure to play immediately, would Cousins 229 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:49,440 Speaker 2: still be amenable? Those are answers that I don't know, 230 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:52,200 Speaker 2: but those are the questions that will be asked as 231 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:53,080 Speaker 2: we get to the draft. 232 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's going to be fascinating to see. I mean, 233 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:01,360 Speaker 3: it's clear that I wouldn't expect anything with Cousins to 234 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:07,920 Speaker 3: happen till after the draft and maybe the biggest competitor 235 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:10,559 Speaker 3: for the Browns for Kirk Cousins. If it becomes that 236 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 3: could be the team that's ninety minutes east of us. 237 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 2: Can you imagine then? No, thank you, I mean give 238 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 2: You's a big Steeler fan. I kid CBD inside. 239 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 3: Joke, lots of funny jokes, funny jokes. 240 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:27,679 Speaker 2: Let me say this too as well. And this is 241 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 2: just my two cents to Browns fans. I know this 242 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 2: sounds odd, but I would root for Aaron Rodgers to 243 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:36,440 Speaker 2: the Steelers. If I'm a Browns fan, I would want 244 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 2: that to happen because it takes some uncertainty out of 245 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 2: draft night. If the Steelers get Aaron Rodgers, you would 246 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:44,840 Speaker 2: have to think, and I would never say never after 247 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:46,840 Speaker 2: what happened in Atlanta obviously last year, but you would 248 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 2: have to think. The Steelers are out of the quarterback 249 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 2: game at twenty one, and now they're not the only 250 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 2: team of the second half of the draft that could 251 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:57,560 Speaker 2: take a quarterback. But it changes things. And with the 252 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:01,720 Speaker 2: Browns picking thirty three, the number one pick on Day two, 253 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 2: top of the second taking a team with a glaring 254 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 2: quarterback need off the board, twelve picks earlier would be 255 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:13,200 Speaker 2: good for the Browns. Doesn't ensure they get their guy 256 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:15,200 Speaker 2: if they want a guy at thirty three, but it 257 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 2: would be beneficial. So I would say, if you're a 258 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 2: Browns fan, you would want Aaron Rodgers to go to Pittsburgh? 259 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 2: Do you buy that? 260 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:27,199 Speaker 3: Yes? And I would also say, there's a lot of 261 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 3: drama and there's is that juice worth the squeeze if 262 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 3: you're the squealers. I don't really have an answer, but fine, 263 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 3: I'm great with him going there. If it all falls 264 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 3: apart the way it did in New York, That's where 265 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:42,840 Speaker 3: I'm at. 266 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:47,840 Speaker 2: That's right. Can you imagine a Kirk Cousins Aaron Rodgers 267 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 2: Brown Steelers game. No, he's in no country for old men? 268 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 2: I mean, why not? 269 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 3: I love it. 270 00:13:56,400 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 2: I'm older than them both, so easy for me to say, 271 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 2: I'm I'm wor older than both we collectively. Yeah, also 272 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:08,559 Speaker 2: coming out, Look, there's a lot of there are a 273 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:10,840 Speaker 2: lot of little headlines there. The doors open clearly for 274 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:12,559 Speaker 2: Nick Chubb. I kind of have a gut feeling he 275 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 2: might be back, but it might be a later in 276 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 2: the summer thing. Don't know. Still, no real world, real answer. 277 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 2: Rather on j Okay, I don't know that. Not not 278 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 2: optimistic there at least I would love to have heard 279 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 2: brighter news. There's stadium news there obviously, mister has I'm 280 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 2: talking about the end of June, obviously in state funding 281 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 2: and potentially moving to Plan B, which would be renovation 282 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 2: on the lake front. That's above my pay grade. But 283 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 2: that news obviously as well, came out of the annual meeting, 284 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 2: and Kevin confirmed what we caught a whiff of back 285 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 2: in Indianapolis that the Browns, well, we did know two 286 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 2: road games in the post in the in the preseason, 287 00:14:57,240 --> 00:14:59,560 Speaker 2: only one at home. It was the opposite last year, 288 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 2: so flip this year. So those two road games are 289 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 2: going to be Carolina and Philly, and joint practices with 290 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 2: them both. So joint practices on the road in Carolina 291 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 2: on the road at Philadelphia have been down that road before, 292 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 2: and no Greenbrier trip. Give a sorry, I'm all right, 293 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 2: all wrong. 294 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 3: My golf game didn't get any better from playing down 295 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 3: there as it did up here. So it is what 296 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 3: it is. I would say this, I like the joint practices, 297 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 3: especially because it forces us to get into pads and 298 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 3: go against someone else. I like how it breaks it up, 299 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 3: and I think, you know, if you're Kevin Stefanski, you're 300 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 3: replacing ten days where the team went to the Greenbrier. 301 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 3: But it was about team camaraderie and building the team 302 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 3: and being away from noise and distraction and everything like that. 303 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 3: I mean, you're essentially going to be on the road. 304 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 3: You got to think. We did the math the other 305 00:15:57,400 --> 00:16:01,120 Speaker 3: day in the studio. Nine days on the road with 306 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 3: these two trips, so I mean you're gonna be away 307 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 3: for nine You were away for ten at the Greenbrier. 308 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 3: So I think that this, I think it still gets 309 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 3: done what coach wants to do, and it gets you 310 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 3: going against another team to really see where you were 311 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 3: at and what you need to work on in advance 312 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 3: of week one. 313 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:24,400 Speaker 2: And the green Brier news was actually news out of 314 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:28,800 Speaker 2: the combine, Kevin said it. Then the joint practices against 315 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:31,920 Speaker 2: these two teams, the Panthers and the Eagles, is the 316 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 2: new news. As they would say on New Heights. One 317 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 2: of them will be one day, the other will be 318 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 2: two days. Two day joint practices. I'm not always a 319 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 2: big fan of because day two is when the fights happen. 320 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 2: Right Day one usually a good day of work day two. EH, 321 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 2: fingers crossed that we get through this. OK. But those 322 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 2: are the two preseason head to heads, if you will, 323 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 2: the Panthers and the Eagles. And then it looks like 324 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 2: home game Week three. Great round out. 325 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 3: That means we're not going to Seattle for a seven 326 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:05,359 Speaker 3: pm local time. 327 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:08,200 Speaker 2: Gosh, I felt so bad for let's. 328 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:12,240 Speaker 3: Think about that ten o'clock East Coast for a preseason. 329 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:13,959 Speaker 2: Game, knowing to blame there for the Browns. I mean, 330 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 2: the Seahawks wanted that game at night on Saturday evening. 331 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:18,959 Speaker 2: Full disclosure, I got off the play. I think I've 332 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 2: told this story. I was doing games for the Rams 333 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 2: last year, so we had a noon Central kickoff Rams 334 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:28,480 Speaker 2: Texans in Houston. I was already home. I landed, and 335 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:33,200 Speaker 2: I was driving home listening to the broadcast. UH, Jim 336 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:36,160 Speaker 2: and Nathan and UH and draw down to the sideline 337 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 2: listening to the broadcast. In the first quarter when the 338 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:40,920 Speaker 2: game kicked off. That was the final game of the preseason. 339 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 2: Everybody else was basically home at that point. It was awful. 340 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:47,560 Speaker 2: Seattle is lovely, though, but still. 341 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 3: Not that weekend. Exactly what it is doing outside right now. 342 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:53,200 Speaker 2: Now. 343 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 3: They're known for their reign. But this was a complete 344 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:56,880 Speaker 3: monsoon in Seattle. 345 00:17:57,160 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 2: Okay, much like today Anyway, I digress. Hey, there's let's 346 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:02,680 Speaker 2: get to from the annual meeting as well on the 347 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:04,719 Speaker 2: league side, of the rule change side and all that. 348 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 2: But before we do that, I want to set this up. 349 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:12,120 Speaker 2: Kevin Stefanski had finished his roundtable with all the writers 350 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:14,919 Speaker 2: and all the assembled media there. All the AFC coaches 351 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 2: do a Monday morning, seven forty five early call where 352 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:20,880 Speaker 2: people gather. They call the AFC Coaches Breakfast. You sit 353 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:23,879 Speaker 2: around the table. There really is no breakfast. But Kevin 354 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:25,840 Speaker 2: answered all the questions about the draft and the Pro 355 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 2: days and this, and the that the Browns will be 356 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:30,200 Speaker 2: in Boulder for shad Or Sanders and Travis Hunter coming 357 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:32,919 Speaker 2: up on Friday the fourth of April this week, so 358 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:35,919 Speaker 2: in two days from when we record this. Now, he 359 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:37,879 Speaker 2: had a lot of stuff to do in meetings to 360 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:40,960 Speaker 2: get back to. I grabbed Kevin for just a couple 361 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:46,480 Speaker 2: of minutes. This is not the definitive sixty minute sit 362 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 2: down here, but this was me and coach on Monday. Kevin, 363 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 2: how's the annual meeting and the coach's breakfast and all 364 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 2: the hoopla here treating you well. 365 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:59,719 Speaker 1: We're in Palm Beach, Florida, so it can't be very 366 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 1: hard down here. As you know, this is we're in paradise, 367 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 1: the sun shining, it's gorgeous. So these are fun because 368 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 1: while you're at a beautiful setting, you're also around a 369 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 1: lot of your friends and you get to catch up 370 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 1: with a lot of people, coaches, staff, general matters. You 371 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:16,720 Speaker 1: get to be around each other and kind of talk 372 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:17,640 Speaker 1: shop for a couple of days. 373 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 2: This event's always fun as well. Families are here. Is 374 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:22,399 Speaker 2: kind of a chill, low key event and you've been 375 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:23,880 Speaker 2: on the road for a while as well, so it's 376 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:25,720 Speaker 2: like kind of a culmination or maybe a stop and 377 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:28,640 Speaker 2: all of that. How is the Kevin Stefanski living out 378 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 2: of a suitcase scouting pro day private workout thing going. 379 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:35,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, that living out of the suitcase thing is no fun, 380 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 1: but you know, this is part of it. And this 381 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 1: is kind of the fun part for us to get 382 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:42,639 Speaker 1: around the country, stop at different places and check in 383 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:46,400 Speaker 1: on these players and come down here take a breather. Here, 384 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:49,120 Speaker 1: have my family down here with me, which is great, 385 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:51,359 Speaker 1: and that's the other fun part. My kids get to 386 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:53,680 Speaker 1: play with a bunch of other kids, of some coaches, 387 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:56,399 Speaker 1: and it's a really it is a nice time to 388 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:57,640 Speaker 1: kind of take a breather, if you will. 389 00:19:57,680 --> 00:19:59,680 Speaker 2: Do the boys come back to the room and say, Hey, Dad, 390 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:02,439 Speaker 2: I here, we're gonna draft so and so. 391 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:06,160 Speaker 1: No, that's a good question. I should probably put them 392 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:10,639 Speaker 1: on an intel operation, do a seaful rendezvous at the 393 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 1: pool and they can fill me in on all the 394 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 1: things that they found out. 395 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 2: What do you find out when you a have the 396 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:21,720 Speaker 2: private workouts, B take these guys to dinner. Because tape 397 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 2: is one thing, game film is one thing. This is 398 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 2: really an hr process as much as it's a football process. 399 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 1: I think the tape is one thing. It's also the 400 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 1: most important thing. How the guy performs playing the game 401 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 1: is the most important. But to understand a full picture 402 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:38,199 Speaker 1: of the player, you have to get around them, number one, 403 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:40,160 Speaker 1: to understand what their makeup is, what. 404 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:43,160 Speaker 2: Their aptitude is, how they work, what they're like. 405 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:45,920 Speaker 1: On a day to day basis. And then also the quarterback, 406 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:48,240 Speaker 1: you want to see them throw live. So having been 407 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:50,640 Speaker 1: to the Senior Bowl, obviously gone to some pro days, 408 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:53,159 Speaker 1: some private workouts, you get a feel for how the 409 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:55,400 Speaker 1: ball comes out of their hand, and that's something that's 410 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:56,920 Speaker 1: a little bit harder to pick up when you're just. 411 00:20:56,840 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 2: Watching tape as anyone sitting to rule themselves out, I'll 412 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:03,480 Speaker 2: do Carter went to less out for example, your rival 413 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 2: high school Jaylen Milroe is a Raven fan. Maybe somebody 414 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:09,400 Speaker 2: had a Chipotle order you didn't like. Has anything come 415 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 2: up like that where you're. 416 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:14,320 Speaker 1: Like, no, no, nothing yet, we're gonna take everybody. We're 417 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:16,959 Speaker 1: not discriminating for any of these reasons, although that Wisow 418 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:19,119 Speaker 1: thing is hard for me, but no, we're not going 419 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:19,680 Speaker 1: to discriminate. 420 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:22,760 Speaker 2: I get asked a lot the Miles interview after he 421 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 2: was on the podium where I said, you know, the 422 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:27,919 Speaker 2: quarterback plan and he had that smile, that smirk, so 423 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:32,399 Speaker 2: mob to ask you, what did you tell him anything? 424 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:34,920 Speaker 1: I can't can I don't think I can repeat. I'll 425 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 1: hit you offline and we'll tell you. But it's a big, 426 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 1: well known. 427 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:40,119 Speaker 2: Secret because he was smiling, he was happy. 428 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:42,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot of you know, silly seasons. So 429 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:44,400 Speaker 1: there's a lot of looking at people's smirks and looking 430 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:47,200 Speaker 1: at their body language and maybe what words they've used 431 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:49,199 Speaker 1: and kind of move them all around and see if 432 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:52,119 Speaker 1: we're sending a message. It's kind of like a subliminal 433 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 1: message that we're sending to everybody. But it's all right there. 434 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 2: You just got to look hard. Last thing Ab said 435 00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:59,879 Speaker 2: in mobile, how impatient he was. Naturally, we all want 436 00:21:59,880 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 2: to draft here, right, What has this process been like 437 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 2: for you? And are you equally impatient? And can the 438 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:07,360 Speaker 2: twenty fourth get here fast enough? 439 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 1: Yeah? I enjoy the process. I think so much of 440 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 1: this is I want to get through meetings. I want 441 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:14,440 Speaker 1: to get through April meetings with the coaches. I want 442 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 1: to get through our thirty visits. We get to bring 443 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:20,200 Speaker 1: thirty guys in before the draft, so we're not even 444 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:23,880 Speaker 1: halfway there with those visits. So I think the lead 445 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:25,640 Speaker 1: up to the draft, maybe the week before the draft 446 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 1: is when you really hone in on the plan. But 447 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:29,920 Speaker 1: I'm enjoying this process. 448 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:31,480 Speaker 2: Okay, And you're not mocking the mox. 449 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 1: Yet not mocking the mox. You won't find me doing 450 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 1: any simulations in the mock draft world. I'm not opposed 451 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 1: to it. I respect everybody that does it, but for us, 452 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:42,800 Speaker 1: it's really we do look at all of them and 453 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:45,800 Speaker 1: then understanding there are some mocks that are better than others. 454 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:48,359 Speaker 2: Kevin enjoy your time at the annual meeting, enjoy the 455 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:51,080 Speaker 2: road show, and maybe seeing Boulder in a couple of days. 456 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:51,679 Speaker 1: Thanks Andrew. 457 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:54,199 Speaker 2: All right, I think there's a distinction there about the 458 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:56,119 Speaker 2: pro days and what you learn and what you can 459 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 2: get in the private workout. Private workouts are always more 460 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:03,159 Speaker 2: important to me. Here's my analogy. Would you rather hire 461 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 2: somebody at a college job fair or would you rather 462 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:08,400 Speaker 2: have a one on one interview? Pro days have value, 463 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:10,720 Speaker 2: But please don't get caught up in this sports radio 464 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 2: nonsense that if you don't go to a pro day, 465 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,360 Speaker 2: you're not doing your job. One on one interviews are 466 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 2: to me far more important, and you get those one 467 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:20,840 Speaker 2: on one interviews this week in Colorado. After that, behind 468 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:23,760 Speaker 2: the scenes, Kevin went over to talk to my good 469 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:27,440 Speaker 2: friend Kevin Clark Omaha on ESPN and that's where they 470 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:29,959 Speaker 2: did the Pearl Jam interview that a lot of you 471 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:35,919 Speaker 2: have seen. And Ryan Fitzpatrick commented on Kevin's fantastic Beard Gibbee. 472 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:40,359 Speaker 2: Also they were getting in there. 473 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:43,879 Speaker 3: I'm debating it, you know, we'll see. I give it 474 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:46,399 Speaker 3: another few weeks and then the warmer maybe, if it 475 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:48,720 Speaker 3: ever warms up, then I'll get rid of it because 476 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 3: it starts to itch and. 477 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 2: I hate that, so I hate that too. Kevin also 478 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:58,479 Speaker 2: weighed in on the debate. Right before, he and I 479 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:01,720 Speaker 2: were talking on the tush push, and he said he 480 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:04,440 Speaker 2: supports it. Go ahead. There's no need to ban it. 481 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 2: Don't ban it, just stop it. Don't try to ban 482 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:09,160 Speaker 2: it because you can't stop it. So he was one 483 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 2: of the coaches that said, I am fine with it. 484 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 2: An informal poll of those in the room on Tuesday 485 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:18,920 Speaker 2: tell you that it was right down the middle sixteen 486 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 2: sixteen on quote unquote banning the tush push, and don't 487 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 2: you need twenty four? You need twenty four? Yeah, you 488 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:31,040 Speaker 2: need three quarters. When a vote is tabled, put your 489 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:35,199 Speaker 2: tush on the table. The tushpush got tabled. That generally means, 490 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:38,680 Speaker 2: and this isn't always the case, but it generally means, hey, 491 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 2: this is going to go through. We just need to 492 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 2: whip a couple of more votes and let's talk about 493 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,960 Speaker 2: it next time. The next league meeting, the spring meeting, 494 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:48,440 Speaker 2: is May twenty and twenty one in Minneapolis. I think 495 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:50,760 Speaker 2: it's going to pass. Now. I'm not going to tell 496 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 2: you go bet your mortgage on it, but my gut 497 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 2: tells me Gibbie hearing what the commissioner had to say 498 00:24:58,040 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 2: on Tuesday and what rich McKay had to say on two, 499 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 2: when you ever hear the health and safety aspect brought 500 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:06,240 Speaker 2: into it, I think, and it might be a challenge 501 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 2: to with those eight votes, but I think this is 502 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 2: going to pass. And I think there's a very good 503 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 2: chance that we have seen the end of the pushing 504 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:16,639 Speaker 2: of the tush. 505 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:20,439 Speaker 3: I'll be honest with you, I don't I think you 506 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 3: should be rewarding coaches that come up with innovative ways 507 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:27,119 Speaker 3: to move the football, and I think that Philly has 508 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:30,959 Speaker 3: found that way. They've been highly successful at it. If 509 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,879 Speaker 3: you want to beat them, stop it. And I just 510 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,359 Speaker 3: the health and safety thing, I don't know if I buy. 511 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:38,199 Speaker 3: Is there any proof? 512 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:40,240 Speaker 2: No, right now there is not. 513 00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:44,879 Speaker 3: Exactly, So I think you keep the Toush push. It 514 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:48,040 Speaker 3: drives me crazy. I hate playing against it. This past 515 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 3: year when we were in Philadelphia. How many times they 516 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:52,720 Speaker 3: go for it with the Toush push three or four 517 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:55,800 Speaker 3: times on fourth down and it was maddening not being 518 00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 3: able to stop it. But it works, it's successful. 519 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:01,879 Speaker 2: A lot of Eagles fans want to say this is 520 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,199 Speaker 2: Philly against the World. I don't think it is. I 521 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:06,120 Speaker 2: think there are bigger things that play here, and I'm 522 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:07,960 Speaker 2: with you, I don't think it should be banned. But 523 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:11,879 Speaker 2: the health and safety issue isn't necessarily stopping Jalen Hurts 524 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:15,320 Speaker 2: on the goal line. The health and safety issue is 525 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:17,560 Speaker 2: everything that the tush push has kind of led to. 526 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:19,720 Speaker 2: So go back to when we were kids. So pre 527 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:23,200 Speaker 2: two thousand and five, you couldn't carry the ball carrier. 528 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:26,880 Speaker 2: You couldn't push the running back. You just couldn't do that. 529 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:29,200 Speaker 2: Like if a running back got stopped on the five 530 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 2: yard line, if William Green got stopped on the five 531 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:36,520 Speaker 2: yard line, Sean O'Hara can't come behind him and shove 532 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:38,159 Speaker 2: them in the back and push them into the end. 533 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:40,719 Speaker 2: So that was illegal. You just couldn't do that. It 534 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 2: wasn't part of the game. And then the rule was 535 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:49,200 Speaker 2: changed and it took fifteen years for someone to really 536 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:52,199 Speaker 2: master the art of it. But the Eagles did that 537 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 2: to their credit, and it isn't necessarily for me, the 538 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:57,119 Speaker 2: health and safety or at least for the league. I 539 00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:59,359 Speaker 2: don't think the health and safety right there on the 540 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:01,439 Speaker 2: line of scrimm. It's about all the other plays. So 541 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,480 Speaker 2: let's use the Eagles as an example. Jalen Hurts throws 542 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 2: a ten yard hitch to DeVante Smith near the sideline. 543 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:12,359 Speaker 2: What prevents the dB from picking up Davante Smith and 544 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:14,919 Speaker 2: carrying him back five yards. Well, they'll blow the whistle, 545 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,200 Speaker 2: they'll say for it, progress has been stopped. Well, why 546 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,200 Speaker 2: is the rule different there for the defender trying to 547 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,719 Speaker 2: carry the ball carrier than it is for the offense 548 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,400 Speaker 2: trying to carry the ball carrier. It shouldn't be different. 549 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:28,760 Speaker 2: And there is more likelihood for an injury, say pushing 550 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:30,560 Speaker 2: a running back on the five yard line on a 551 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:35,639 Speaker 2: long play where the running with a offensive lineman getting 552 00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:38,400 Speaker 2: ahead of steam from thirty yards behind the plane crashing 553 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:42,560 Speaker 2: into everybody. More risk of injury there. And they don't 554 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 2: know how to make that all work universally across the field, 555 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:51,000 Speaker 2: if that makes any sense. And I think that's the 556 00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:56,280 Speaker 2: curtain from behind which they're going to do this. But 557 00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:58,239 Speaker 2: I also think that if they do, the Eagles are 558 00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:00,240 Speaker 2: still going to be good at it because look at 559 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:02,960 Speaker 2: the tush push. Not all the players actually have Jalen 560 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:05,879 Speaker 2: Hurts pushed by somebody from behind a lot of them. 561 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 2: It's just great Jeff stoutlin line coaching. They've mastered it 562 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,720 Speaker 2: and he's still going to score. So if they ban it, 563 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 2: I don't think it's going to slow the Eagles down. 564 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,800 Speaker 3: Done in the quarterback? Can't the quarterback squat like a 565 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 3: thousand pounds? Yes? Yes, Like there's something to be said 566 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:23,080 Speaker 3: using the legs. 567 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:25,760 Speaker 2: I don't think it's gonna matter. 568 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:31,280 Speaker 3: I don't either. I just I can we can we 569 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 3: get an eye in the sky? Can we get some 570 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:37,439 Speaker 3: things figured out with that? Can we can we focus 571 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:41,320 Speaker 3: our time on something other than the tush push? I 572 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:41,960 Speaker 3: think we can't. 573 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,120 Speaker 2: You want to do playoff reseating? You want to hit that, 574 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:47,120 Speaker 2: you want to do it? By the way, I am 575 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:53,200 Speaker 2: all for playoff reseating, See I'm not. I'm not winning 576 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:58,600 Speaker 2: your division should truly mean something? You don't think so? No? 577 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,480 Speaker 3: Why because if you get in and you're all right, 578 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:05,440 Speaker 3: if you get in and you're an eight and nine 579 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:07,840 Speaker 3: team and you win your division, you're rewarded with a 580 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,280 Speaker 3: home playoff game against a team that's twelve and four. 581 00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:15,320 Speaker 2: Have you ever seen this would be the NBA model? Right? 582 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:17,760 Speaker 2: Basically you just see them whoever they finish. So let 583 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,320 Speaker 2: me ask you this after watching AFC North hard knocks 584 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:25,640 Speaker 2: last year, have you ever seen NBA Southeastern Division hard 585 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,400 Speaker 2: knocks now? Because no one knows the divisions right in 586 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,760 Speaker 2: the NFL, divisions mean something. Those six division games mean something. 587 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,000 Speaker 2: There's a reason that teams that have to go overseas 588 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 2: never want to take a division game overseas because those 589 00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:42,640 Speaker 2: games mean something. So to say that those six head 590 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:46,400 Speaker 2: to head rivalry games don't mean as much anymore, like 591 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 2: winning your division doesn't mean as much, I'm sorry. I 592 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:49,080 Speaker 2: don't like that. 593 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:55,760 Speaker 3: I mean that part, Okay, I understand. I just I 594 00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:59,800 Speaker 3: think it's amazing, Like in a year where and again, 595 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:04,960 Speaker 3: if you're lucky enough in the division, you're facing maybe 596 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:08,560 Speaker 3: the NFC division, that's the worst division in football, and 597 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:10,920 Speaker 3: you're able to get three or four wins just off 598 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:14,320 Speaker 3: of that, and you're not necessarily playing the best of 599 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:19,400 Speaker 3: the best. You can make the argument, but I just 600 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:23,520 Speaker 3: I believe in rewarding wins and losses, and I can 601 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:27,720 Speaker 3: carry your business and I get the divisional side of things. 602 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:32,479 Speaker 3: But win your division games, go win the division, and 603 00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:35,720 Speaker 3: then you're in the playoffs, and that's bigger than anything else. 604 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:38,960 Speaker 2: Two final thoughts on that, I don't think it's going 605 00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:41,800 Speaker 2: to pass. It also got tabled. I don't think it's 606 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:43,840 Speaker 2: going to pass this year, but I do think that 607 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:45,600 Speaker 2: if and when, and I think it is if not 608 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:48,120 Speaker 2: when we get to an eighteen game season, I think 609 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,920 Speaker 2: there's a chance it would pass then because I think 610 00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:57,600 Speaker 2: there'd be a concern about in a longer season, teams 611 00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:02,040 Speaker 2: fielding competitive rosters and playing to win late in the 612 00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:05,040 Speaker 2: season if divisions were already decided. I think there's another 613 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:09,560 Speaker 2: unspoken side of this, and we actually could tie the 614 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:11,560 Speaker 2: Browns to it if you go back to Week sixteen 615 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,320 Speaker 2: when we got flexed out of Thursday Night in Cincinnati, 616 00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:17,400 Speaker 2: only time that's happened in two years, and the Chargers 617 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:19,920 Speaker 2: and Broncos win, and that was a great game at 618 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,920 Speaker 2: the end, the right decision. There are a lot of 619 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:27,560 Speaker 2: what the NFL calls standalone windows in December, not primetime 620 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:31,200 Speaker 2: games necessarily, but standalone games like the Black Friday game 621 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,240 Speaker 2: on Amazon, or the NFL Network triple header late the 622 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:37,040 Speaker 2: season in December, or the game that we played Week eighteen, 623 00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:41,880 Speaker 2: a Saturday ESPN doubleheader the day before the final day 624 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:45,000 Speaker 2: of the season. You need good games in those standalone windows, 625 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:51,000 Speaker 2: and the thought is it's kind of under the radar 626 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:55,880 Speaker 2: that if we give teams something to play four, we 627 00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:59,840 Speaker 2: don't promise them a home game simply for winning the division. 628 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:06,680 Speaker 2: That there will be more highly competitive matchups late in 629 00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:12,120 Speaker 2: the year for those stand alone windows because late the year, 630 00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:17,040 Speaker 2: I won't say they had trouble making the schedule, but 631 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,800 Speaker 2: I could tell you that there there was some ankst 632 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:23,400 Speaker 2: as to where do you put these games, Like, hey, 633 00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:26,680 Speaker 2: we need a good game in this window for this network. 634 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:28,320 Speaker 2: Do we have one? 635 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:33,120 Speaker 3: No, because people at the end of the season were 636 00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:37,120 Speaker 3: sitting guys kids. City didn't play anybody for three weeks. 637 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,960 Speaker 2: And the thought is, if you told Kansas City, even 638 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:47,680 Speaker 2: though you ran away from your division, you still need 639 00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:52,520 Speaker 2: to fight, because maybe you draw somebody now that you look. 640 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:54,840 Speaker 2: They're normally in the conversation for the one seed, but 641 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,280 Speaker 2: maybe not. Maybe there's a division which a team ran 642 00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:59,840 Speaker 2: away from in that year, what is a bad division 643 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:02,320 Speaker 2: and they're going to coast down the stretch because their 644 00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:05,160 Speaker 2: division is already wrapped up for all intents and purposes. 645 00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:08,640 Speaker 2: But if you remind that team that, hey, you may 646 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:12,680 Speaker 2: have to go on the road, then you get better 647 00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:17,520 Speaker 2: games and that would factor more if we go to eighteen. 648 00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:23,719 Speaker 2: I think that's the underlying, unspoken part of that. 649 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:27,840 Speaker 3: You're anning with them, everybody exactly. 650 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:33,320 Speaker 2: Anyway, Colorado Pro Day for Iday one, see me in Boulder. 651 00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:37,000 Speaker 2: I won't be there, but the Browns will be there. 652 00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:39,560 Speaker 2: It's Kevin Stefanski, as he just told you, living out 653 00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:43,200 Speaker 2: of a suitcase on his way to Boulder, Travis Hunter, 654 00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:48,800 Speaker 2: Shador Sanders, among others in the Spotlight. It is really 655 00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:52,360 Speaker 2: one of the final check marks here on the path 656 00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:54,400 Speaker 2: to the draft, as they call it to the network. 657 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:58,280 Speaker 2: But the private workouts still could be happening, and the 658 00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:02,760 Speaker 2: thirty visits do continue as we march towards the graft 659 00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,680 Speaker 2: or the draft or the graft. Three weeks everybody, three 660 00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:09,040 Speaker 2: weeks and three weeks to remind your friends and neighbors 661 00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:14,759 Speaker 2: to subscribe and to like and to share this the 662 00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,759 Speaker 2: best podcast available that is Jason Gibbs. My name is 663 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:22,200 Speaker 2: Andrew Siciliano g Thank you kindly. We'll see you next time. 664 00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:24,200 Speaker 2: So long, anybody