Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly john Fast and this is Fast Politics,
Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of
Speaker 1: today's best minds. And according to an AP NORC poll,
Speaker 1: Trump has lost thirteen points of approval among Republicans in
Speaker 1: the last six months. We have such a great show
Speaker 1: for you today. The Society of the Rule of Laws
Speaker 1: George Conway stops by to talk about the Oversight Committee
Speaker 1: drops with Trump's ties to Jeffrey Epstein. Then we'll talk
Speaker 1: to the Lieutenant Governor of Minnesota, Peggy Flanagan about her
Speaker 1: run for the Senate. But first the news.
Speaker 2: So, Molly, it appears after the Democrats have had a
Speaker 2: news cycle where they've been told they are not fighters,
Speaker 2: that the House stems are going to try to remedy
Speaker 2: this with a plan.
Speaker 3: I want to expladre to our listeners.
Speaker 1: I always want to explain to our listeners. Let us
Speaker 1: explain the plan. Basically, a guy called Mike Johnson this
Speaker 1: sweagure of the House. So really, Trump is the Speaker
Speaker 1: of the House. As he has said before, he sent
Speaker 1: everyone home because he did not want to have them
Speaker 1: voting on the Epstein petition. Well, the government shut down.
Speaker 1: Johnson refused to swear in ad Alita Grajava. She will
Speaker 1: now be sworn in. She will be the signature needed
Speaker 1: for the discharge petition. Now, I want to pause for
Speaker 1: a minute because what's going to happen now is there
Speaker 1: will be a discharge petition. It will then go to
Speaker 1: the Senate. This is part of this thing where you
Speaker 1: have to just you're getting Republicans to vote on things,
Speaker 1: so they say we want your inferency, and then you
Speaker 1: get them to vote to say no, do not release
Speaker 1: the Epstein files. So this is the point of this exercise.
Speaker 1: But right now what we're seeing is a ton of
Speaker 1: Epstein emails being just flooded into the media. Now, where
Speaker 1: are they coming from. This has nothing to do with
Speaker 1: this discharge petition. The estate was subpoena by Rocana, so
Speaker 1: that's how these emails are coming. But the point is
Speaker 1: there are just a ton of emails. There are more
Speaker 1: and more and more emails, and that's what we're seeing now.
Speaker 1: The discharge petition will go to the Senate. The Senate
Speaker 1: will vote against releasing it because Republicans control the Senate.
Speaker 1: I think that is where this ends. But you still
Speaker 1: are making them vote against it. You're still taking them
Speaker 1: on the record. These are people who said they believed
Speaker 1: in transparency, and here they are not believing in transparency,
Speaker 1: So this is all meaningful. I also want to point
Speaker 1: out the fact that this has become such an enormous
Speaker 1: news cycle is because the people who are leading the
Speaker 1: committee on oversight are pretty smart and they are making
Speaker 1: sure that the stuff is out when it needs to
Speaker 1: be out. For example, this stuff came out today right
Speaker 1: the day of the discharge petition signing or the day
Speaker 1: you know that they're going to get back into work
Speaker 1: in the House. And the reason why it came out
Speaker 1: today was because every but he was organized. So bravo
Speaker 1: Robert Garcia for doing oversight right. And you really do
Speaker 1: see why it's important to have people in those jobs
Speaker 1: and not just people who feel they deserve them because
Speaker 1: they've worked there so long.
Speaker 3: Do you have a favorite one of the leaks so far?
Speaker 1: No, I don't have favorites because the whole thing is
Speaker 1: so dark and it's about sex trafficking.
Speaker 2: My favorite is what Jeffrey Epstein says, have the mask
Speaker 2: by housebed about Donald almost walking through the door, leaving
Speaker 2: his noseprint on the glass as young women were swimming
Speaker 2: by the pool and he was so focused he walked
Speaker 2: straight into the door.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a bad one. There are a lot
Speaker 1: of bad ones here. I mean there's also the Trump
Speaker 1: knew what we were doing. There's I mean, it's just
Speaker 1: it's everything you would think. It's Michael wolf giving Jeff
Speaker 1: Epp advice.
Speaker 3: So shocking Michael wolf.
Speaker 1: Somebody else tipping off Jeff Epp.
Speaker 2: I mean, Michael Wolfe a little too close to Jeffrey
Speaker 2: Epstein for anyone's comfort.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I just think the job of journalists
Speaker 1: is not to tip off sources.
Speaker 2: Okay, the job of journalists may not to be to
Speaker 2: try to buy whole news outlets with pedophiles.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: There are a number of reasons why this is not okay.
Speaker 2: So I got really confused. We talked about this on
Speaker 2: air that when Trump was going to Portland. A lot
Speaker 2: of even my conservative friends were like, there's these riots here,
Speaker 2: And then I talked to normal people and they were like,
Speaker 2: there are no riots. We have now gotten to the
Speaker 2: bottom of this, which is that Fox News and other
Speaker 2: conservatives like Andy Neo, we're putting up old footage and
Speaker 2: footage from other cities pretending it was Portland.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and again this is like this news bubble thing, right, Like,
Speaker 1: are you in such a news bubble that you never
Speaker 1: even realize what's true or not? Like, what's the news
Speaker 1: bubble here? It's so bubbly that you're looking at video
Speaker 1: from four years ago, five years ago. I think it's
Speaker 1: like worth realizing that here is Donald Trump. This is
Speaker 1: a person who, as president, has access to some of
Speaker 1: the best information. Every single thing you know, vetted explained,
Speaker 1: you could have, you know, you're the president, you could
Speaker 1: call the journalists, they come in and explain it to you.
Speaker 1: And here is my man, Donald Trump looking at an
Speaker 1: Andy no video from five years ago. Yeah, he's making
Speaker 1: policy off that.
Speaker 3: You're exactly right.
Speaker 2: And it's really that Andy Dios said his brand has
Speaker 2: died because Antifa does not really exist. It is an
Speaker 2: amorphous thing that maybe a few people will identify with.
Speaker 2: It's ridiculous.
Speaker 1: Speak for yourself.
Speaker 2: Oh oh I forgot, I forgot. So by what do
Speaker 2: you think at the president's job? I personally think of that.
Speaker 2: A lot of people used to describe it in the
Speaker 2: pre Trump era as kind of the salesman for America,
Speaker 2: the ambassador who would say, our country is so great,
Speaker 2: you guys should really do business here. Look at how
Speaker 2: great we have it here. Well, Trump says, the United
Speaker 2: States doesn't have people with quote unquote certain talents to
Speaker 2: fill jobs domestically.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know who got one of these visas?
Speaker 3: Was it Malania?
Speaker 1: Yes, Mulania, Mlania's recipient of one of those visas. You've
Speaker 1: got to bring people in from other countries because Americans
Speaker 1: don't want those jobs. She had an HB one. It's
Speaker 1: an Einstein visa skilled worker. Look again, this was never
Speaker 1: about immigration. This was always about racism, right, Like, if
Speaker 1: you take them at their word, you make a huge mistake.
Speaker 1: This is from this amazing interview with Laura Ingram where
Speaker 1: she says, is this stuff from home depot? And he says,
Speaker 1: absolutely not. And you have these goal hideous gold things
Speaker 1: on the sides of the oval which are clearly from
Speaker 1: home depot. But this Laura Ingram, who not a fan
Speaker 1: of immigration, to say the least, at least or anything.
Speaker 1: She responded, we have plenty of talented people here, Trump applied.
Speaker 1: And remember Trump is always trying to serve these like
Speaker 1: billionaire donors. So Trump replied, no, you don't, No, you don't,
Speaker 1: you don't have certain talents and people have to learn.
Speaker 1: You can't take people off an unemployment line and say
Speaker 1: imy to put you in a factory where we're going
Speaker 1: to make missiles. And then he pointed to the September
Speaker 1: Ice ray of a Georgia Hondai facility where authorities arrested
Speaker 1: and deported hundreds of South Koreans. That was like an
Speaker 1: international incident. I just want to point out it's the
Speaker 1: worm gooing.
Speaker 4: Yes, I know, but you.
Speaker 1: Know billions of dollars in investment from the South Koreans.
Speaker 1: Then their people got put in jail. That's still going that.
Speaker 1: I don't know what the status is. It was a
Speaker 1: real disaster for Brian Kemp, who had just convinced Hondai
Speaker 1: to put the factory in Georgia. Again, these were like
Speaker 1: good paying jobs. If you have tariffs to try to
Speaker 1: get things manufactured in the United States and then you
Speaker 1: put the people who are making the things in jail
Speaker 1: or deport them, then you are going to make people
Speaker 1: not want to make things in the United States. That's
Speaker 1: just my hottest take.
Speaker 3: It seems pretty summed. So I have a hot take.
Speaker 2: Yes, that Ice and any police officers when we know
Speaker 2: that they're out of absolute control and really are being careless.
Speaker 2: It's when a baby gets pepper sprayed.
Speaker 1: That is a very, very hot take.
Speaker 3: I'm going to stand by it.
Speaker 1: How many times has a baby gotten pepper sprayed? I
Speaker 1: feel like that's a sentence I would like to never say.
Speaker 2: My sister did studies on how often toddlers shoot people,
Speaker 2: so I think, unfortunately we're not quite at the rock
Speaker 2: bottom with us, but worse things do happen.
Speaker 1: So Ice pepper sprayed a baby. I think that should
Speaker 1: be the end of the story. These people are animals,
Speaker 1: like I think every day they want to make the
Speaker 1: phrase abolish ice more and more real. By the way,
Speaker 1: this is a video of the agent's pepper spray of baby,
Speaker 1: so probably there have been other babies pepper spray like
Speaker 1: the fact that this was caught on video means that
Speaker 1: there have been other times. Is a one year old
Speaker 1: in Chicago, then I know you'll be shocked to hear this.
Speaker 1: But the Ice agent lied about it.
Speaker 2: I've never heard of cops lying when there's footage of things,
Speaker 2: and because they know that they can act with the pudity,
Speaker 2: especially ice.
Speaker 5: Me neither.
Speaker 1: I have never heard of such a thing. George Conway
Speaker 1: is the president of the Society for the Rule of
Speaker 1: Law and the host of George Conway explains it all
Speaker 1: to Sarah Longwell, welcome to Beat Politics, George Conway sitting
Speaker 1: in my apartment.
Speaker 6: Hello, Yeah, this solves the problem of shitty internet access.
Speaker 1: So today is one of the many.
Speaker 4: It's not the first Epstein drop day. These are kind
Speaker 4: of a big one.
Speaker 1: It's a humongous one though, you know. And and this
Speaker 1: just a tranche of emails after emails, after emails, after emails.
Speaker 4: I only saw the first three because I was busy
Speaker 4: at meetings with her. More there are like Trump knew
Speaker 4: about all of.
Speaker 6: This email My favorite email was the one I first
Speaker 6: saw this morning. I'm not favorite, but it's like the
Speaker 6: one that's sort of like it was like a smoking gun,
Speaker 6: the closest thing he was smoking gun without pictures, although
Speaker 6: they were I did see an email later talking about
Speaker 6: the Yeah, was the one that said Trump is the
Speaker 6: dog that didn't bite, because basically he had not been
Speaker 6: the subject of the investigation. And then he is saying
Speaker 6: it didn't bark, talking about you didn't bite bark.
Speaker 4: Okay, sorry, he's.
Speaker 6: Like so and that she says it says it to
Speaker 6: Gleane Maxwell basically, but he was he was in with
Speaker 6: in my house with so and so it turns out
Speaker 6: to be Virginia.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's got to be virgin We don't know one
Speaker 1: of the one in younger because it says and they
Speaker 1: got her from mar Laga, which is Virginia jew Fry,
Speaker 1: just the only her. Yeah, I mean that's what it's.
Speaker 6: Anyway, he was alone, he was in Epstein's house with
Speaker 6: a girl name redacted.
Speaker 4: And then Gal says, ye know, I was thinking about
Speaker 4: that too.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and you know, I mean, come on, were they
Speaker 6: there talking about tariffs?
Speaker 1: They were not talking about it. I do not think
Speaker 1: they were talking about tariffs.
Speaker 4: I don't think so. I do not think that. I
Speaker 4: gotta say, I mean, this is like this.
Speaker 6: I said, I said this morning that this is like
Speaker 6: Remember how Ben Bradley, the man it used to be
Speaker 6: the managing editor or something in the Washington Post back
Speaker 6: in the day, in the Watergate days, he would always
Speaker 6: tell us reporters, we need holy shit stories, the stories
Speaker 6: and make you read and open the papers say holy shit,
Speaker 6: this is a holy shit story of a different sort.
Speaker 6: This is a holy shit Times one thousand story. But
Speaker 6: it's also not surprising, no, exactly, because we know who
Speaker 6: Donald Trump is and this is who he is. And
Speaker 6: the only reason why is it's a holy shit story
Speaker 6: is because you know, for years of millions of Americans
Speaker 6: have gone twice twice.
Speaker 4: Well, okay, I did the first time. I'm sorry.
Speaker 6: You know, they think we can't hear anything about him
Speaker 6: in the complete denial, and they pretend everything is not real,
Speaker 6: and they only turn on news sources that don't tell
Speaker 6: them about the Donald Trump.
Speaker 4: But it's not surprising at all.
Speaker 6: It's only surprising if you've been doing that, and you know,
Speaker 6: I think they're probably going to be still be doing that.
Speaker 6: That's the real question of people really going to pay
Speaker 6: attention who have who have been in denial about Trump
Speaker 6: and have this cognitive dissonance about Trump, and I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, the thing that gets me about these emails is,
Speaker 1: first of all, Trump knows he's in them, right, he.
Speaker 6: Must have known, right, and and what's his face, Todd Blanche,
Speaker 6: his lawyer.
Speaker 1: Everybody knows he's in them because the FBI went through them.
Speaker 6: But even before that, well, this is a separate this, this,
Speaker 6: this is this was subpoena exactly from the estate.
Speaker 4: But I was assumed that the that the government had this.
Speaker 1: Right, and the government we know from that reporting that
Speaker 1: the FBI went through what a thousand guys reacting Trump's.
Speaker 4: Name looking for this right.
Speaker 1: So even but even before this, like Trump and BONDI
Speaker 1: were like, we're going to release the Epstein files.
Speaker 4: We're going to do this, We're going to do that.
Speaker 1: How do you have that level of cognitive dissonance, like
Speaker 1: where you're like, I hung out with this guy, my
Speaker 1: best friend for a decade, release the files.
Speaker 6: Like, you know, Donald Trump doesn't think very well, and
Speaker 6: he doesn't He's very good thinking in the moment, right,
Speaker 6: but he's not really good about actions and consequences, which
Speaker 6: is why he's a criminal, right and convicted criminal in fact,
Speaker 6: and an adjudicated digital rapist.
Speaker 4: He doesn't he just one of these people.
Speaker 6: He's just one of these people who's whose psychological growth
Speaker 6: stopped at age three, four or five. And he just
Speaker 6: you know, I mean, you just and he doesn't understand
Speaker 6: that his actions can cause negative consequences to himself. If
Speaker 6: he does these things and negative consequences occur to him,
Speaker 6: he doesn't blame himself. He blames you, him, her, these
Speaker 6: other people, right, and says that, oh, everybody else does this,
Speaker 6: so I can lie about it because everybody else lies
Speaker 6: about it, and he doesn't. He says that, you know,
Speaker 6: in his head, you know, it's of course, you know
Speaker 6: he didn't. He didn't think this through, right.
Speaker 1: But what about BONDI, Like Pam Bondy, she had all
Speaker 1: those influencers come to the White House.
Speaker 4: You know, gave them binders.
Speaker 6: I mean, I hate to say this about the Attorney
Speaker 6: General in the United States, but it just may be
Speaker 6: that Pam Bondi.
Speaker 4: It's a war on it could be. I mean, I
Speaker 4: don't want to I don't want to go out on
Speaker 4: a limb here.
Speaker 1: This morning, I was reading the cash Battel private jet
Speaker 1: story from the Washington Post, which is about Cash Battel
Speaker 1: using the FBI jet basically as you know, just living
Speaker 1: it up and also ruining investigations and tweeting about them.
Speaker 6: Yeah, speaks about investigations, say we are we are investigating this,
Speaker 6: and then the people skip the country.
Speaker 4: Because I say, hey, wait, yeah that's us. Yeah, So
Speaker 4: I mean I'm going to arrest them first. I don't know,
Speaker 4: you know, I'm not a cop, and I've never been.
Speaker 6: But he's like, normally, before you start talking about the
Speaker 6: people who you're investigating and you're about to invest arrest them,
Speaker 6: you arrest them first.
Speaker 1: It's it's funny because it's like, I want to pull
Speaker 1: back for a second, because you and I have been
Speaker 1: through this fucking administry.
Speaker 4: We have been through it together for the last eight years.
Speaker 6: We've been friends and million tens of movies all of you, yes, but.
Speaker 1: Especially us though, because we've really been through it. Do
Speaker 1: you think I think something's happened over the last couple
Speaker 1: of weeks where it's gone from maybe not the last
Speaker 1: couple of weeks, but yeah, I think since the election,
Speaker 1: it's gone from this is all really scary and we're
Speaker 1: going to end up in an autocracy to oh, it's Trump, Well,
Speaker 1: you know he's The incompetence is back.
Speaker 4: The incompetence is back.
Speaker 6: And also people are learning that they are not alone
Speaker 6: in fighting back, and they learned that from the No
Speaker 6: King's events, and they learn that from the election results.
Speaker 6: And that's why even I who you know who, you
Speaker 6: know how I am. I'm not the most pessimistic person
Speaker 6: in the world, but I've been saying it's always going
Speaker 6: to get worse before it gets better, even I you know,
Speaker 6: there's a there's a skip in my step, you know.
Speaker 6: But the thing is, it will still get worse before
Speaker 6: it gets better, because this does not remove him from office, now,
Speaker 6: you know, I mean even though we have people like
Speaker 6: Bobert and and he's voting for this in Marjorie Taylor
Speaker 6: me signing this discharge position petition which now is to
Speaker 6: eighteen is that to eighteen once?
Speaker 4: This once this congressman, I think she got sworn in today, right, Yeah,
Speaker 4: but it dies in the Senate. I mean, the thing is,
Speaker 4: but it's but it's make But the point is.
Speaker 6: Yes, it makes them vote, and it shows that there
Speaker 6: are cracks in the facade, but it's not gonna it's
Speaker 6: not going to be to do all and end all,
Speaker 6: and we're still stuck with him for the duration. Yes,
Speaker 6: And do you ever see the movie.
Speaker 4: Wagon the Doll. Yes, I love that movie.
Speaker 6: We're in there, yeah, yes, and Venezuela, you know, and yeah,
Speaker 6: you know the thing that always happens with these narcissistic
Speaker 6: psychopaths who get in positions of power and then inevitably
Speaker 6: get themselves in trouble like, yeah, you know, they told
Speaker 6: him so, don't they class up? And he did it
Speaker 6: anyway and it didn't work out so well. They get
Speaker 6: themselves into deep ship and the problem is they ultimate
Speaker 6: we blow themselves up. I say this, I've said this
Speaker 6: podcast fifty times. They blow themselves up. And the problem
Speaker 6: is the blast radius. Are we going to be within
Speaker 6: the blast radius? And this is you know, I mean,
Speaker 6: he's done so much damage. Yeah, in just a few months.
Speaker 6: The blast radius is already large. And as he becomes
Speaker 6: more desperate, you know, it's it's going to get worse
Speaker 6: and we have to prepare ourselves and we really need
Speaker 6: to stand up more. Yeah, you're not not cave like
Speaker 6: eight or eight people did in.
Speaker 1: The Democratic Senate leadership.
Speaker 4: Yes, Chuck, we're talking to you.
Speaker 1: Ump, No, fe I mean, the point is they should
Speaker 1: have kept the government. You're going to hut down the government,
Speaker 1: keep it shut down.
Speaker 4: He must have made him really mad the other day
Speaker 4: what you did.
Speaker 1: Listen, all I'm going to say is let's just talk
Speaker 1: about where Trump is right now. Okay, So he's in
Speaker 1: his house eating McDonald's, watching Fox News's throwing ketch up
Speaker 1: on the wall.
Speaker 4: What happens. The odor in there has got its terrible
Speaker 4: what happens now?
Speaker 1: I mean, he's seventy nine, he is desperately clinging to power.
Speaker 4: I mean, do you think it's just weeks of distraction?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 4: I think he's going to go on the attack somehow.
Speaker 6: He's going to say the emails were fake, right, He's
Speaker 6: going to say, there's nothing in there that implicates me.
Speaker 6: He's going to say that, just ask Klain Maxwell, No,
Speaker 6: don't do that.
Speaker 4: He's going to say.
Speaker 6: There is going to be no logic to anything he does,
Speaker 6: and the answers, the things that he will spout out
Speaker 6: as usual, it'll be like, you know what, I don't
Speaker 6: know the game twister? Will you spin the thing? Like
Speaker 6: one day he's going to say this, the next day
Speaker 6: he'll say the one on the like the yellow piece
Speaker 6: of the pie. And it's going to be completely the
Speaker 6: opposite of what he said the other day. And none
Speaker 6: of it's going to be consistent, and it's all just
Speaker 6: going to be a bunch of noise. And he's going
Speaker 6: to blow a few things up, yeah, which may be
Speaker 6: Portland or maybe Caracas.
Speaker 1: Right, and that, and it is really we really have
Speaker 1: handed over the nuclear code to a complete limited.
Speaker 4: Correct yes for the second time, Yes, second time. Yes.
Speaker 6: I And he's talking about the news like I have
Speaker 6: these great nuclear weapons I want to test one moment.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's pretty it's it's not good.
Speaker 1: I wonder if we could just talk for a minute
Speaker 1: about how sort of like how you chip away at
Speaker 1: the base. So like there was this very good pulling
Speaker 1: that just came out that chose the Republican He's not
Speaker 1: he's being blamed for the economy.
Speaker 4: Yes, because he's president. He's president.
Speaker 6: And what that's the thing about being president is presidents
Speaker 6: have less impact on the economy than people assume they do, right,
Speaker 6: and so but that but the problem is people assume
Speaker 6: the presidents have everything to do with the economy, and
Speaker 6: therefore you get blamed.
Speaker 4: If inflation goes up like a blip.
Speaker 6: Biden, or if it goes up a lot, or it
Speaker 6: doesn't or something doesn't happen perfectly, it's your fault, even
Speaker 6: if you can trace it back to something that your
Speaker 6: predecessor did, or you can trace it to something that
Speaker 6: the Saudi's did with oil, or you can trace it
Speaker 6: to some extern a war. But the point about it
Speaker 6: is Trump always takes credit for things that he's not
Speaker 6: entitled to take credit for. And he says that he
Speaker 6: is the man who controls everything and is the do
Speaker 6: all and end all and the brilliant thing. And he's
Speaker 6: been talking about how wonderful is tariffs are, and it's me,
Speaker 6: me and me, I take credit for everything. So of
Speaker 6: course he's going to get blamed. And this time, actually
Speaker 6: he's having more of an impact on the economy than
Speaker 6: any other president because he's doing fucked up things.
Speaker 4: Because of the tarriffs. The tariffs, Yes, what.
Speaker 1: Do you think? I wonder what the tariffs. It's clearly
Speaker 1: a Donald Trump fantasy. He always thought that this was
Speaker 1: the way.
Speaker 6: I mean, I can't figure out the tarriffs thing. Honestly,
Speaker 6: I think what he liked. I think I think he
Speaker 6: does have some quarter Bank idea that tariffs represents strength
Speaker 6: and they're good historically, which is complete and utter bullshit.
Speaker 6: Any historian, any economist, any economic historian, anybody with any
Speaker 6: common sense thinks it through for ten minutes and knows
Speaker 6: anything about the supply the laws of some lining. The
Speaker 6: man would think so too. But I think the thing
Speaker 6: he loves about tariffs is it makes him feel powerful,
Speaker 6: like right, shack them up and people come saying, mister President,
Speaker 6: we want we want to you know, write, please don't
Speaker 6: do that to us. We are at your mercy. And
Speaker 6: then he can lower them again, raise them again. And
Speaker 6: that's part of what you've been seeing with this, like oh,
Speaker 6: the tariffs up and down off. On any given day,
Speaker 6: he's up and it's like, oh, we have the greatest
Speaker 6: trail to eat trade deal?
Speaker 4: What trade deal?
Speaker 6: It doesn't exist, right, It's he loves the power of
Speaker 6: being able to do something with his fucking sharp beat.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 6: It makes people squirm and come to him. And it's
Speaker 6: just like the It's like this is like pardons, right.
Speaker 6: He loves pardons because he gets to write on a
Speaker 6: piece of paper.
Speaker 4: It doesn't matter who they are.
Speaker 6: It makes him feel powerful and people have to come
Speaker 6: and supplicate to him.
Speaker 1: I think that's right, And I mean it's so it's
Speaker 1: so funny because it's like so much of Trump is
Speaker 1: from this nineteen eighties that I grew up in in
Speaker 1: New York, and so much of it is like he's
Speaker 1: the big man with the big family real estate business,
Speaker 1: doling out to the kids, right like you do as
Speaker 1: someone who had like a grandfather who was wealthy and
Speaker 1: who did stuff like that.
Speaker 4: Feels very familiar. You know, it's like it's the mob.
Speaker 4: You come to me, you asked me for when do
Speaker 4: you ever come come to my house in friendship? So
Speaker 4: there is that mom father.
Speaker 1: It's the mafia thing, but it's also the rich parent
Speaker 1: doling out the cat.
Speaker 4: Yes, you know right right, it's the but he's doing it.
Speaker 1: And even then the thing about the like when I
Speaker 1: think about the food stamps, like this administration was fighting
Speaker 1: with the courts about the food stamps and sending out
Speaker 1: food stamps during the shutdown. Now the governor of Wisconsin,
Speaker 1: Tony Ivers, he ended up filling the ETF cards, right,
Speaker 1: he filled the food stamp cards A T E B T.
Speaker 1: This the uh, some of these democratics.
Speaker 4: You I don't go anywhere. All I do is tasks.
Speaker 1: But there have been democratic governors. But like the idea
Speaker 1: that here's Donald Trump, his administration is fighting. It's not
Speaker 1: his money, it's taxpan dollars.
Speaker 6: You think Donald Trump separates his the fisk, the public
Speaker 6: fisk with his fisk, or his powers governance powers, or
Speaker 6: his white house with some people's house. Everything belongs to
Speaker 6: Donald Donald is his These are my generals, this is
Speaker 6: my East Wing that I get them demolished to build
Speaker 6: my all my ballroom for nine.
Speaker 1: Do you think there will be more George Conways, more
Speaker 1: people who are smart and can't take it? Or do
Speaker 1: you think it's over that period of people that I
Speaker 1: can't think.
Speaker 6: I don't think they're going to be like me. Okay,
Speaker 6: like we're basically I've gotten to the point where I
Speaker 6: just any more fs to get it. Well, they call
Speaker 6: me a Democrat, I might as well. I might as
Speaker 6: well just do it because there's one political party in
Speaker 6: this country and the other one's just a crazy call.
Speaker 4: Right. So but we'll get to that. We first got
Speaker 4: to know each other.
Speaker 6: What in twenty eighteen or twenty nineteen when I was off,
Speaker 6: when I had off the reservation and I was kind
Speaker 6: of lobbing shit out there, and people.
Speaker 4: Were saying, you know why I did that? Why?
Speaker 6: Because I thought if I showed that I could do
Speaker 6: it with my now ex wife in the fucking White House, right,
Speaker 6: people would just say, yeah, I've had fed up too,
Speaker 6: I can do it too. It's like h and guess
Speaker 6: what I mean. I had a few people do it.
Speaker 6: I formed this group of checks and bounces that became
Speaker 6: outsider for the rule of all. Some wonderful, great lawyers,
Speaker 6: a lot of them from the Reagan adminstray, but by
Speaker 6: and large my effort to persuade people by going out
Speaker 6: there and saying, look, I e. Nothing bad will happen
Speaker 6: to you. If you say this was a complete and
Speaker 6: other failure, well it.
Speaker 4: Wasn't a complete and utter failure. But I know you
Speaker 4: feel that way.
Speaker 6: I feel like I haven't done enough. I want to
Speaker 6: do more. I don't know what you know. I've been
Speaker 6: trying to figure out.
Speaker 1: I do wonder what's next for you. Well, we will
Speaker 1: find out. I hope you'll come back to tell us
Speaker 1: if you end up having a big thing that you
Speaker 1: want to announce somewhere.
Speaker 4: You're just trying to push that idea you're trying to
Speaker 4: push on me.
Speaker 1: I don't know what you're talking about, but I'm just
Speaker 1: saying that if there were an announcement that one would
Speaker 1: want to make, this would be a good place to
Speaker 1: do it, especially because leon Nidas would like George Conway,
Speaker 1: will you come back?
Speaker 4: Yes, all right.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Peggy flan Again, it is the Lieutenant Governor
Speaker 1: of Minnesota. And a candidate for the Democratic primary for
Speaker 1: Senate in that very state. Welcome to Fast Politics.
Speaker 5: Peggy, thanks so much for having me again. I'm happy
Speaker 5: to be here.
Speaker 1: I'm so happy to have you know each other. Lieutenant governor,
Speaker 1: a great state of Minnesota, and you are now running
Speaker 1: for the open Senate seat.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's pretty exciting. It's been quite a year as
Speaker 5: we've jumped into this race.
Speaker 1: First, I want you to talk about, like what it's
Speaker 1: like to run for Senate right now, because this is
Speaker 1: such a weird moment. You know, in twenty sixteen, you
Speaker 1: could say Orange Man bad, you would raise ten billion
Speaker 1: dollars and everyone would be like, we love you. You know,
Speaker 1: that is not the world anymore. So I want you
Speaker 1: to talk about being a Democrat in that world. Sure.
Speaker 5: So you know, I decided to run for this seat
Speaker 5: because you know, I'm someone who understands what it feels
Speaker 5: like to think the bottom could fall out at any moment,
Speaker 5: and there are so many people who feel that way
Speaker 5: right now, and frankly, not enough folks who understand what
Speaker 5: that's like representing us in Washington. And so as I'm
Speaker 5: traveling across the state, we've done one hundred events so
Speaker 5: far since since we've launched. The things that people are
Speaker 5: telling me is that they want us to be bold,
Speaker 5: that this like nibbling around the edges business is not
Speaker 5: helping anybody. I think that there's things like increasing the
Speaker 5: minimum wage, paid family and medical leave. I think it's
Speaker 5: time for you know, universal healthcare, medicare for all, you know.
Speaker 5: And if folks think that somehow we're gonna win by
Speaker 5: continuing to as Democrats to fight from a defensive crouch,
Speaker 5: I think they've got another thing coming, you know. And
Speaker 5: we had incredible victories a week or so ago, and unfortunately,
Speaker 5: I think you know what we saw happen and play out,
Speaker 5: you know, in Washington, d C. With these eight Senate Democrats,
Speaker 5: we were able to clutch defeat from the jaws of victory.
Speaker 5: So we got some work to do. And that's what
Speaker 5: I think I'm seeing is that people just want us
Speaker 5: to be fighters and not capitulate to Donald Trump and
Speaker 5: congressional Republicans.
Speaker 1: Yes, I wonder what you think about Schumer said that
Speaker 1: he didn't vote with them, He said that they came
Speaker 1: to this on their own. What do you think about that?
Speaker 5: Sunday night, I was just pissed.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 5: It is an incredible disapoint and if I'm being honest,
Speaker 5: it wouldn't have even occurred to me right to vote
Speaker 5: for the R Like that wouldn't have even been on
Speaker 5: the table, especially after like the incredible victories that we
Speaker 5: saw up and down the ballot, because folks are like, oh,
Speaker 5: Democrats are finally standing up, right, are fighting for me?
Speaker 5: Are you know, looking at healthcare costs right and how
Speaker 5: they're going to just skyrocket? And so I just think
Speaker 5: people deserve more and they want more, and I think
Speaker 5: that that's what you can see from this reaction. I
Speaker 5: certainly don't know the ins and outs of, you know,
Speaker 5: what happened behind the scenes. What I do know is that,
Speaker 5: you know, your job as a leader of a caucus
Speaker 5: is to try to keep folks together. And it's an
Speaker 5: incredible disappointment. And I feel like, as someone who's running
Speaker 5: right now, we now just have to like rebuild that
Speaker 5: trust and demonstrate that fight. And you know, this got
Speaker 5: a little bit harder for folks unnecessarily. I don't completely
Speaker 5: understand it, but I know so that people just were
Speaker 5: excited because they saw Democrats standing up and having a
Speaker 5: spine and that's the work. That's the work right now
Speaker 5: under Donald Trump. You know, we literally see an authoritarian
Speaker 5: regime that's like coming into power. This is not the
Speaker 5: time to capitulate, like, it is the time to do
Speaker 5: everything we can. And we don't have a whole lot
Speaker 5: of tools in our toolbox, and this was the one
Speaker 5: that we had and to just throw up your hands,
Speaker 5: I don't get it.
Speaker 1: I don't either. I also think, and this is something
Speaker 1: I said to this person when they called me, you
Speaker 1: underestimate the base at your own peril. At this moment,
Speaker 1: you are campaigning in Minnesota, like I feel like when
Speaker 1: I talk to people who are running for office, like
Speaker 1: you are on the ground talking to the most engaged voters.
Speaker 1: So what are they telling you?
Speaker 5: You know, we're holding what we're calling kitchen table conversations
Speaker 5: all across the state. It's a little less scripted town
Speaker 5: hall and more community meeting, so folks are showing up.
Speaker 5: We've got, of course, a lot of Democrats or dfllers
Speaker 5: as we call ourselves here and Minnesota, but also people
Speaker 5: who don't identify with like any political party, but are
Speaker 5: just super freaked out by what's happening right now. And
Speaker 5: then we have Republicans who are showing up too, And
Speaker 5: that is important to me because I think we don't
Speaker 5: have to agree on everything right now, but I think
Speaker 5: the places where we do agree is that we're all
Speaker 5: being screwed and it is the folks at the very
Speaker 5: very top who are doing incredibly well. We're being empowered
Speaker 5: by the Trump administration, and the rest of us have
Speaker 5: to fight for scraps. And so the things that I'm hearing,
Speaker 5: the number one thing that I hear no matter where
Speaker 5: I am, if I'm in the urban core, if I
Speaker 5: am in greater Minnesota, is healthcare.
Speaker 1: That is the thing.
Speaker 5: And this is even before we were talking about the
Speaker 5: ACA subsidies. I was in Camby, Minnesota and southwestern Minnesota,
Speaker 5: and there's a woman there who's a librarian and she's
Speaker 5: married to a farmer. So they they buy in and
Speaker 5: she said, our deductible is fifteen thousand dollars a year.
Speaker 5: And she said, I just went to the doctor for
Speaker 5: five minute medcheck appointment and a cost our family six
Speaker 5: hundred dollars. That is just untenable. And so I think
Speaker 5: it's it's important for us to be really clear that
Speaker 5: things like prior authorization, right some dude sitting behind a desk,
Speaker 5: who gets to determine whether or not you get the
Speaker 5: life saving healthcarier doctor prescribed, Like, we got to get
Speaker 5: rid of it, or we'll set off frankly like AI
Speaker 5: or a robot and making that determination. And then I
Speaker 5: think it's time for universal health care. We need medicare
Speaker 5: for all. And you know what may have been seen
Speaker 5: as like, oh, that's too far, that's too much. Folks
Speaker 5: are ready, and so like that is the thing that
Speaker 5: I'm hearing. People want us to be bold, and they're
Speaker 5: sick of Democrats fighting from a defensive crouch, and so
Speaker 5: it is, you know, all about being really clear that
Speaker 5: these are the places that we are going to throw
Speaker 5: down where we're going to fight for folks. That's what
Speaker 5: people want.
Speaker 1: So you're not going to take pack money, No a
Speaker 1: pack you know, you don't have to suck up to
Speaker 1: net and Yahoo. You don't have to go on a
Speaker 1: trip with him. And I say this as a Jew
Speaker 1: just nuts. I wonder what sort of the difference is
Speaker 1: in your race, because you're running against Antie Kraig's member
Speaker 1: of cockers. This race is really about the difference between
Speaker 1: one part of the party and the other.
Speaker 5: Sure, So I actually think that this is really the
Speaker 5: fight that is facing the party overall. It is I
Speaker 5: think the difference between a corporate Democrat and someone who's
Speaker 5: got progressive values who is going to fight for working people.
Speaker 5: I absolutely have made the decision to not take corporate
Speaker 5: pack money because I see that the influence that corporations
Speaker 5: have in elections is one of the things that's gotten
Speaker 5: us here on both sides of the aisle.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 5: I don't want to be you know, I think it's
Speaker 5: really disingenuous to say I'm going to somehow, you know,
Speaker 5: hold big pharma accountable to lower the costs of prescription
Speaker 5: drugs in one hand, and then have another hand I
Speaker 5: would stretch to collect a check from them. People are
Speaker 5: smarter than that, right, So I think that is a
Speaker 5: big difference between my opponents and myself that I don't
Speaker 5: think the seat should go to the highest bidder. I
Speaker 5: think it should go to Minnesotan's I am not a
Speaker 5: Beltway darling. You know, if this race was held in Washington,
Speaker 5: d C. She'd probably win. Lucky for me, it's held
Speaker 5: in Minnesota, and you know, I don't take a pac money.
Speaker 5: But I also don't think they'd give it to me
Speaker 5: to be there. You know, I said that I would
Speaker 5: have voted for the Sanders resolution alongside my senators, Senator
Speaker 5: Tina Smith and Senator Amyklobachard with regards to offensive weapons
Speaker 5: this summer because I'm not okay with watching children starve.
Speaker 5: I'm not okay with watching children's starve in Gaza. I'm
Speaker 5: not okay with watching children starve in Minnesota. And that's
Speaker 5: why we re breakfast and lunch for all kids. Right,
Speaker 5: That's a consistent value. But it's also why Apak has
Speaker 5: decided to target this race, or to target me and
Speaker 5: support my opponents. And I think that I can, you know,
Speaker 5: say that in the same way that I can hold
Speaker 5: the Trump administration accountable and speak out if five concerns,
Speaker 5: I can do the same thing about you know, Benjamin
Speaker 5: notat Yahu and his government as well. They're just star
Speaker 5: and that is I think the choice that is facing
Speaker 5: so many folks in this country. But also just you know,
Speaker 5: in this race in Minnesota, do you want the status
Speaker 5: quo er? Do you want someone who's gonna to fight
Speaker 5: and won't be beholden to the people are putting the
Speaker 5: thumb on the scale in Washington.
Speaker 1: I think there's been a lot of Democrat business as usual,
Speaker 1: right like not wanting to upset the Apple car, not
Speaker 1: wanting to you know, leadership. He is very you know,
Speaker 1: well this one was elected and you can't move that one.
Speaker 1: You know, I said, you guys are all ten thousand
Speaker 1: years old. And one of the things that I think
Speaker 1: made people the angriest was from twenty twenty to twenty
Speaker 1: twenty four there was a feeling that Democrats would say,
Speaker 1: you know, we can't do anything, like this is what
Speaker 1: it is. We can't do anything. So you get into
Speaker 1: the Senate, you will have this real, very safe Senate
Speaker 1: seed and an opportunity to do really great things. And
Speaker 1: you're young, so talk us through how you would be
Speaker 1: different than that.
Speaker 5: Absolutely. I mean so I'm an organizer, you know, I
Speaker 5: was raised on the Wellstone for Senate campaign. That has
Speaker 5: been so much of the work that I have done,
Speaker 5: even before I got to elected office, was power mapping
Speaker 5: who do we need to you know, build a relationship
Speaker 5: with and move to support this policy change. You know,
Speaker 5: the very first thing I'm going to do is have
Speaker 5: ninety nine cups of coffee with people right to build
Speaker 5: those relationships. I think that that still matters. And you know,
Speaker 5: in Minnesota sometimes I got some grief when I was
Speaker 5: the head of Children's Defense Fund from some of my
Speaker 5: friends and the Democratic Party because they'd say, like, why
Speaker 5: are you getting Republicans to author your bills? I was like,
Speaker 5: because they're in the majority, and two years in the
Speaker 5: life of a child, this a really long time. We
Speaker 5: can't wait, you know, to the next biennium to have
Speaker 5: healthy birth outcomes for you know, for children. So that
Speaker 5: I think matters is trying to find you know, that
Speaker 5: common ground those relationships, but also being really cleared that
Speaker 5: how I'm campaigning right now doing you know, these events
Speaker 5: all across the state of Minnesota is also how I'm
Speaker 5: going to govern. That I think is what the disconnect
Speaker 5: oftentimes is about and what you know, you talk about
Speaker 5: that gap between twenty twenty and twenty twenty four, Oh,
Speaker 5: we can't do anything, and also tells me that you
Speaker 5: have to get outside of Washington, DC and talk to
Speaker 5: real people about what is happening in their lives right now.
Speaker 5: Because when you hear about a fifteen thousand dollars deductible
Speaker 5: or someone being denied life saving care, for their cancer treatment,
Speaker 5: Like that hits a different kind of way, and you're
Speaker 5: going to have a different kind of fight when you
Speaker 5: walk back into the halls of power, because you are
Speaker 5: accountable and you know the people who are counting on
Speaker 5: you in this moment. So that for me, I think,
Speaker 5: is you know what is so incredibly important. I'm come
Speaker 5: from resiliency, right, Like I'm not even supposed to be here.
Speaker 1: I know what you come from, but tell us sure.
Speaker 5: So Section eight is what secured at apartments for me
Speaker 5: and for my mom, who was a single mom who
Speaker 5: worked incredibly hard, but sometimes we didn't have enough money
Speaker 5: to make ends meet. Snap is what kept food on
Speaker 5: the table for my family, And Medicaid was my healthcare
Speaker 5: as a kid with really bad asthma, where sometimes I
Speaker 5: was like in the hospital more than I was out.
Speaker 5: And so that to me really feels like, you know,
Speaker 5: the experience that we need. But also, like I said,
Speaker 5: you know, I grew up carrying a box of commodity
Speaker 5: cheese under my arm like a football from the food shelf, right,
Speaker 5: And so I don't have the same sort of pedigree
Speaker 5: right that a lot of people serving in Congress or
Speaker 5: you know, in the Senate too, And I think that's
Speaker 5: a good thing, you know, And I'm not running to
Speaker 5: make history, but there's never been a Native American woman
Speaker 5: to serve in the US Senate before, Like it's probably time, right,
Speaker 5: democracy works best when the people who represent us accurately
Speaker 5: reflect the communities.
Speaker 1: So it's important, It's so important. And I also think,
Speaker 1: you know, I always, as someone who was born basically
Speaker 1: on sega, I always think about this, you know. I
Speaker 1: always ask people, like most of the people I know,
Speaker 1: we're also born on second base, except for exam we're
Speaker 1: born on their basic and you realize, like, the one
Speaker 1: thing that Donald Trump said that was really true was
Speaker 1: that the game is rigged.
Speaker 5: Like that he was right, and it spoke to people, right,
Speaker 5: And I think, like that is our opportunity. Now he
Speaker 5: understands that the he understood that the game is rigged,
Speaker 5: right like, and he didn't tell the truth and say
Speaker 5: I'm going to continue.
Speaker 1: You know more exactly right, But.
Speaker 5: We can also lean in right to that notion because
Speaker 5: people get it right, Like, people understand that right now
Speaker 5: when you go, you know, when I'm in the grocery
Speaker 5: store and I watch someone, I watch a mom have
Speaker 5: to tell her kiddo to put something back. They aren't
Speaker 5: the money, right, Like that is that is a feeling
Speaker 5: I am deeply familiar with, but also just like the
Speaker 5: reality that's facing so many folks right now. So we
Speaker 5: had to just you know, buck up and take some risks.
Speaker 5: And you know, if I am leading into people being
Speaker 5: able to afford their lives and being bold and fighting
Speaker 5: for the policies that I think are needed and necessary
Speaker 5: in this moment, and folks aren't all about it, they
Speaker 5: don't want to vote for me, that's fine because at
Speaker 5: least I have my integrity at the end of the day.
Speaker 5: I don't know that everybody can say that in this moment.
Speaker 1: No, for sure. And you know, I think so much
Speaker 1: about the lesson of Kristen Cinema, who came to the
Speaker 1: Senate and now she lobbies for data centers. You have
Speaker 1: to have a purity of heart. I guess that's right.
Speaker 5: It is that is that is not my dream.
Speaker 4: That is worse.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you it is literally like that's how we
Speaker 1: get here, right And I mean that's why you know
Speaker 1: the things like bands on lobbying, bands on congressional stock trading,
Speaker 1: all of that anti corruption stuff, that's going to need
Speaker 1: to happen. I hope that sort of in your mind
Speaker 1: is the kind of I.
Speaker 5: Mean absolutely, I think it. You know, it starts with
Speaker 5: not taking corporate pack money and you know, edding Citizens
Speaker 5: United needs to be at the top of our list.
Speaker 5: And I think this is why, right, like having more
Speaker 5: folks with like lived experience serving an office, talking about
Speaker 5: stock trades, this, that and the other thing, getting those
Speaker 5: sweet deals once you leave, you know, Congress, we just
Speaker 5: need more people who like understand what it's like to
Speaker 5: you know, live paycheck to paycheck and you know, figure
Speaker 5: that out. But yeah, folks know that the game is rigged.
Speaker 5: That is all a part of it. Fighting that corruption,
Speaker 5: you know, starting with a White House, but knowing that
Speaker 5: it exists unfortunately in both parties.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, if you become a senner, what is
Speaker 1: the first thing you're going to do. So the first
Speaker 1: thing that.
Speaker 5: I'm going to do is again start to build relationships
Speaker 5: with people, because I think that that really matters. The
Speaker 5: dehumanization of folks on you know, you know, both sides,
Speaker 5: I think is one of the things that's led us
Speaker 5: to this this point. It's harder to attack somebody if
Speaker 5: you know about their family and you know the things
Speaker 5: they care about. But ultimately, you know, I think it
Speaker 5: is prior authorization is the fight that I want to
Speaker 5: take on because I have seen it be so heartbreaking
Speaker 5: and damaging to people healthcare and so you know, an
Speaker 5: eighty percent of the time when people appeal a prior authorization,
Speaker 5: it goes through, so like it's just a game. It's
Speaker 5: completely unfair. And even you know, for me, right, like
Speaker 5: I've spent hours on the phone fighting with my insurance
Speaker 5: company to make sure that my daughter right can get
Speaker 5: one inhaler that takes the place of two inhalers that
Speaker 5: she can take once a day instead of twice a day.
Speaker 5: And I'm really lucky that her pomonologist is like we're
Speaker 5: going to the matt like, but that those kinds of things.
Speaker 5: It is just about this bottom line. It's cruel. And
Speaker 5: the people who can spend the time on the phone
Speaker 5: like I can are the ones who you know, like
Speaker 5: aren't working in that you know, factory job all day
Speaker 5: where you have a five minute break. It's outrageous, So
Speaker 5: we can do better. That is one of the first
Speaker 5: fights that I want to take on, but just generally
Speaker 5: want to make sure that people can't afford the lives
Speaker 5: that they want to live.
Speaker 1: Peggy, thank you. I think talk when you're in the
Speaker 1: general awesome, No more sick, Jesse Cannon.
Speaker 2: I have been talking to a lot of New York
Speaker 2: business owners because, let's be honest, I'm a little too chatty,
Speaker 2: which is why i went into podcasting. And one of
Speaker 2: the things they keep telling me over and over again
Speaker 2: is the tourists have not been here, and we're seeing
Speaker 2: lots and lots of restaurants closing. Reading Eater, which diatribes
Speaker 2: New York tourisms restaurant industry, you're seeing the ramp up
Speaker 2: of restaurants going out of business at a clip that's
Speaker 2: starting to be pretty alarming. That there's a lot of
Speaker 2: articles and you'll be shocked to see a recent study
Speaker 2: shows Canadians, some of our biggest tourists are staying home
Speaker 2: and not coming here, to the tune of five point
Speaker 2: seven billion dollars of tourism.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it turns out that declaring war on another country,
Speaker 1: especially when it is your closest neighbor and alla makes
Speaker 1: them not like you. It's a shocking development. You would
Speaker 1: think right to declare war on a country which was
Speaker 1: sort of known as your ally. I think this is
Speaker 1: a great example of why everything in trump Ism is
Speaker 1: so wrong, is so off, is so incredibly dysfunctional and disappointing. Right,
Speaker 1: I'm not surprised by any of this. It's just such
Speaker 1: an unnecessary thing, like all this stuff. It's like Trump
Speaker 1: created all these problems. Like, Okay, So, Canadians traditionally make
Speaker 1: up the largest group of international tourists the US. Twenty
Speaker 1: eight percent of our seventy two point four million visitors
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four were Canadian. Ano they're not coming,
Speaker 1: and they're not coming because they don't want to end
Speaker 1: up in an ice facility, because they don't want to
Speaker 1: support a country that they feel it doesn't like them,
Speaker 1: doesn't appreciate them. You know, this is so stupid. It's
Speaker 1: like with so many things in Trump to point out,
Speaker 1: which like he told us he was going to do it,
Speaker 1: it's very stupid and then he did it.
Speaker 2: Yep, I will tell you Canada is still pretty woke.
Speaker 2: We were actually pretty shocked how woke it was when
Speaker 2: we went there. So it's no shock they don't want
Speaker 2: to support the stupidity that we're doing here.
Speaker 1: Oh well, Canada. That's it for this episode of Fast Politics.
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