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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly john Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 1: today's best minds. And according to an AP NORC poll,

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Speaker 1: Trump has lost thirteen points of approval among Republicans in

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Speaker 1: the last six months. We have such a great show

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Speaker 1: for you today. The Society of the Rule of Laws

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Speaker 1: George Conway stops by to talk about the Oversight Committee

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Speaker 1: drops with Trump's ties to Jeffrey Epstein. Then we'll talk

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Speaker 1: to the Lieutenant Governor of Minnesota, Peggy Flanagan about her

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Speaker 1: run for the Senate. But first the news.

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Speaker 2: So, Molly, it appears after the Democrats have had a

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Speaker 2: news cycle where they've been told they are not fighters,

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Speaker 2: that the House stems are going to try to remedy

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Speaker 2: this with a plan.

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Speaker 3: I want to expladre to our listeners.

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Speaker 1: I always want to explain to our listeners. Let us

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Speaker 1: explain the plan. Basically, a guy called Mike Johnson this

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Speaker 1: sweagure of the House. So really, Trump is the Speaker

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Speaker 1: of the House. As he has said before, he sent

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Speaker 1: everyone home because he did not want to have them

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Speaker 1: voting on the Epstein petition. Well, the government shut down.

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Speaker 1: Johnson refused to swear in ad Alita Grajava. She will

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Speaker 1: now be sworn in. She will be the signature needed

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Speaker 1: for the discharge petition. Now, I want to pause for

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Speaker 1: a minute because what's going to happen now is there

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Speaker 1: will be a discharge petition. It will then go to

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Speaker 1: the Senate. This is part of this thing where you

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Speaker 1: have to just you're getting Republicans to vote on things,

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Speaker 1: so they say we want your inferency, and then you

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Speaker 1: get them to vote to say no, do not release

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Speaker 1: the Epstein files. So this is the point of this exercise.

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Speaker 1: But right now what we're seeing is a ton of

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Speaker 1: Epstein emails being just flooded into the media. Now, where

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Speaker 1: are they coming from. This has nothing to do with

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Speaker 1: this discharge petition. The estate was subpoena by Rocana, so

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Speaker 1: that's how these emails are coming. But the point is

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Speaker 1: The discharge petition will go to the Senate. The Senate

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Speaker 1: will vote against releasing it because Republicans control the Senate.

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Speaker 1: I think that is where this ends. But you still

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Speaker 1: are making them vote against it. You're still taking them

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Speaker 1: on the record. These are people who said they believed

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Speaker 1: So this is all meaningful. I also want to point

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Speaker 1: out the fact that this has become such an enormous

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Speaker 1: news cycle is because the people who are leading the

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Speaker 1: be out. For example, this stuff came out today right

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Speaker 1: in the House. And the reason why it came out

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Speaker 1: Robert Garcia for doing oversight right. And you really do

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Speaker 1: see why it's important to have people in those jobs

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Speaker 3: Do you have a favorite one of the leaks so far?

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Speaker 1: No, I don't have favorites because the whole thing is

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Speaker 2: My favorite is what Jeffrey Epstein says, have the mask

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a bad one. There are a lot

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Speaker 1: it's everything you would think. It's Michael wolf giving Jeff

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Speaker 2: I mean, Michael Wolfe a little too close to Jeffrey

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I just think the job of journalists

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Speaker 2: Okay, the job of journalists may not to be to

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Speaker 1: There are a number of reasons why this is not okay.

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Speaker 2: So I got really confused. We talked about this on

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and again this is like this news bubble thing, right, Like,

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Speaker 1: And here is my man, Donald Trump looking at an

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Speaker 3: You're exactly right.

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Speaker 2: And it's really that Andy Dios said his brand has

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Speaker 2: It's ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: Speak for yourself.

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Speaker 2: Oh oh I forgot, I forgot. So by what do

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Speaker 2: A lot of people used to describe it in the

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Speaker 2: you guys should really do business here. Look at how

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Speaker 2: great we have it here. Well, Trump says, the United

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Speaker 2: States doesn't have people with quote unquote certain talents to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know who got one of these visas?

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Speaker 1: Yes, Mulania, Mlania's recipient of one of those visas. You've

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Speaker 1: don't want those jobs. She had an HB one. It's

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Speaker 1: an Einstein visa skilled worker. Look again, this was never

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Speaker 1: This is from this amazing interview with Laura Ingram where

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Speaker 1: Know billions of dollars in investment from the South Koreans.

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Speaker 1: Then their people got put in jail. That's still going that.

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Speaker 1: real disaster for Brian Kemp, who had just convinced Hondai

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Speaker 1: not want to make things in the United States. That's

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Speaker 1: just my hottest take.

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Speaker 3: It seems pretty summed. So I have a hot take.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that Ice and any police officers when we know

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Speaker 2: It's when a baby gets pepper sprayed.

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Speaker 1: That is a very, very hot take.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to stand by it.

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Speaker 1: How many times has a baby gotten pepper sprayed? I

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Speaker 1: feel like that's a sentence I would like to never say.

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Speaker 2: My sister did studies on how often toddlers shoot people,

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Speaker 2: so I think, unfortunately we're not quite at the rock

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Speaker 1: So Ice pepper sprayed a baby. I think that should

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Speaker 1: But the Ice agent lied about it.

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Speaker 2: I've never heard of cops lying when there's footage of things,

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Speaker 1: I have never heard of such a thing. George Conway

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Speaker 1: Law and the host of George Conway explains it all

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Speaker 6: Hello, Yeah, this solves the problem of shitty internet access.

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Speaker 1: So today is one of the many.

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Speaker 4: It's not the first Epstein drop day. These are kind

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Speaker 1: It's a humongous one though, you know. And and this

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Speaker 1: just a tranche of emails after emails, after emails, after emails.

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Speaker 4: I only saw the first three because I was busy

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Speaker 6: This email My favorite email was the one I first

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Speaker 6: Like so and that she says it says it to

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Speaker 6: Gleane Maxwell basically, but he was he was in with

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's got to be virgin We don't know one

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Speaker 6: Anyway, he was alone, he was in Epstein's house with

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Speaker 4: And then Gal says, ye know, I was thinking about

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and you know, I mean, come on, were they

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Speaker 1: The Democratic Senate leadership.

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Speaker 4: Yes, Chuck, we're talking to you.

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Speaker 4: He must have made him really mad the other day

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Speaker 1: Listen, all I'm going to say is let's just talk

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Speaker 4: I mean, do you think it's just weeks of distraction?

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Speaker 4: I think he's going to go on the attack somehow.

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Speaker 1: Right, and that, and it is really we really have

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's pretty it's it's not good.

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Speaker 6: the tariffs up and down off. On any given day,

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Speaker 6: he's up and it's like, oh, we have the greatest

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Speaker 6: trail to eat trade deal?

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Speaker 4: What trade deal?

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Speaker 6: It doesn't exist, right, It's he loves the power of

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Speaker 6: being able to do something with his fucking sharp beat.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 6: It makes people squirm and come to him. And it's

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Speaker 6: just like the It's like this is like pardons, right.

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Speaker 6: He loves pardons because he gets to write on a

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Speaker 6: piece of paper.

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Speaker 4: It doesn't matter who they are.

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Speaker 6: It makes him feel powerful and people have to come

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Speaker 6: and supplicate to him.

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Speaker 1: I think that's right, And I mean it's so it's

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Speaker 1: so funny because it's like so much of Trump is

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Speaker 1: from this nineteen eighties that I grew up in in

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Speaker 1: New York, and so much of it is like he's

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Speaker 1: the big man with the big family real estate business,

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Speaker 1: doling out to the kids, right like you do as

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Speaker 1: someone who had like a grandfather who was wealthy and

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Speaker 1: who did stuff like that.

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Speaker 4: Feels very familiar. You know, it's like it's the mob.

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Speaker 4: You come to me, you asked me for when do

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Speaker 4: you ever come come to my house in friendship? So

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Speaker 4: there is that mom father.

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Speaker 1: It's the mafia thing, but it's also the rich parent

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Speaker 1: doling out the cat.

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Speaker 4: Yes, you know right right, it's the but he's doing it.

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Speaker 1: And even then the thing about the like when I

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Speaker 1: think about the food stamps, like this administration was fighting

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Speaker 1: with the courts about the food stamps and sending out

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Speaker 1: food stamps during the shutdown. Now the governor of Wisconsin,

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Speaker 1: Tony Ivers, he ended up filling the ETF cards, right,

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Speaker 1: he filled the food stamp cards A T E B T.

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Speaker 1: This the uh, some of these democratics.

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Speaker 4: You I don't go anywhere. All I do is tasks.

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Speaker 1: But there have been democratic governors. But like the idea

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Speaker 1: that here's Donald Trump, his administration is fighting. It's not

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Speaker 1: his money, it's taxpan dollars.

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Speaker 6: You think Donald Trump separates his the fisk, the public

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Speaker 6: fisk with his fisk, or his powers governance powers, or

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Speaker 6: his white house with some people's house. Everything belongs to

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Speaker 6: Donald Donald is his These are my generals, this is

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Speaker 6: my East Wing that I get them demolished to build

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Speaker 6: my all my ballroom for nine.

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Speaker 1: Do you think there will be more George Conways, more

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Speaker 1: people who are smart and can't take it? Or do

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Speaker 1: you think it's over that period of people that I

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Speaker 1: can't think.

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Speaker 6: I don't think they're going to be like me. Okay,

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Speaker 6: like we're basically I've gotten to the point where I

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Speaker 6: just any more fs to get it. Well, they call

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Speaker 6: me a Democrat, I might as well. I might as

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Speaker 6: well just do it because there's one political party in

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Speaker 6: this country and the other one's just a crazy call.

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Speaker 4: Right. So but we'll get to that. We first got

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Speaker 4: to know each other.

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Speaker 6: What in twenty eighteen or twenty nineteen when I was off,

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Speaker 6: when I had off the reservation and I was kind

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Speaker 6: of lobbing shit out there, and people.

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Speaker 4: Were saying, you know why I did that? Why?

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Speaker 6: Because I thought if I showed that I could do

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Speaker 6: it with my now ex wife in the fucking White House, right,

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Speaker 6: people would just say, yeah, I've had fed up too,

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Speaker 6: I can do it too. It's like h and guess

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Speaker 6: what I mean. I had a few people do it.

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Speaker 6: I formed this group of checks and bounces that became

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Speaker 6: outsider for the rule of all. Some wonderful, great lawyers,

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Speaker 6: a lot of them from the Reagan adminstray, but by

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Speaker 6: and large my effort to persuade people by going out

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Speaker 6: there and saying, look, I e. Nothing bad will happen

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Speaker 6: to you. If you say this was a complete and

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Speaker 6: other failure, well it.

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Speaker 4: Wasn't a complete and utter failure. But I know you

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Speaker 4: feel that way.

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Speaker 6: I feel like I haven't done enough. I want to

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Speaker 6: do more. I don't know what you know. I've been

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Speaker 6: trying to figure out.

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Speaker 1: I do wonder what's next for you. Well, we will

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Speaker 1: find out. I hope you'll come back to tell us

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Speaker 1: if you end up having a big thing that you

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Speaker 1: want to announce somewhere.

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Speaker 4: You're just trying to push that idea you're trying to

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Speaker 4: push on me.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what you're talking about, but I'm just

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Speaker 1: saying that if there were an announcement that one would

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Speaker 1: want to make, this would be a good place to

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Speaker 1: do it, especially because leon Nidas would like George Conway,

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Speaker 1: will you come back?

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Speaker 4: Yes, all right.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Peggy flan Again, it is the Lieutenant Governor

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Speaker 1: of Minnesota. And a candidate for the Democratic primary for

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Speaker 1: Senate in that very state. Welcome to Fast Politics.

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Speaker 5: Peggy, thanks so much for having me again. I'm happy

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Speaker 5: to be here.

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Speaker 1: I'm so happy to have you know each other. Lieutenant governor,

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Speaker 1: a great state of Minnesota, and you are now running

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Speaker 1: for the open Senate seat.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's pretty exciting. It's been quite a year as

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Speaker 5: we've jumped into this race.

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Speaker 1: First, I want you to talk about, like what it's

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Speaker 1: like to run for Senate right now, because this is

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Speaker 1: such a weird moment. You know, in twenty sixteen, you

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Speaker 1: could say Orange Man bad, you would raise ten billion

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Speaker 1: dollars and everyone would be like, we love you. You know,

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Speaker 1: that is not the world anymore. So I want you

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Speaker 1: to talk about being a Democrat in that world. Sure.

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Speaker 5: So you know, I decided to run for this seat

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Speaker 5: because you know, I'm someone who understands what it feels

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Speaker 5: like to think the bottom could fall out at any moment,

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Speaker 5: and there are so many people who feel that way

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Speaker 5: right now, and frankly, not enough folks who understand what

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Speaker 5: that's like representing us in Washington. And so as I'm

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Speaker 5: traveling across the state, we've done one hundred events so

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Speaker 5: far since since we've launched. The things that people are

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Speaker 5: telling me is that they want us to be bold,

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Speaker 5: that this like nibbling around the edges business is not

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Speaker 5: helping anybody. I think that there's things like increasing the

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Speaker 5: minimum wage, paid family and medical leave. I think it's

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Speaker 5: time for you know, universal healthcare, medicare for all, you know.

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Speaker 5: And if folks think that somehow we're gonna win by

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Speaker 5: continuing to as Democrats to fight from a defensive crouch,

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Speaker 5: I think they've got another thing coming, you know. And

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Speaker 5: we had incredible victories a week or so ago, and unfortunately,

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Speaker 5: I think you know what we saw happen and play out,

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Speaker 5: you know, in Washington, d C. With these eight Senate Democrats,

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Speaker 5: we were able to clutch defeat from the jaws of victory.

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Speaker 5: So we got some work to do. And that's what

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Speaker 5: I think I'm seeing is that people just want us

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Speaker 5: to be fighters and not capitulate to Donald Trump and

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Speaker 5: congressional Republicans.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I wonder what you think about Schumer said that

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Speaker 1: he didn't vote with them, He said that they came

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Speaker 1: to this on their own. What do you think about that?

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Speaker 5: Sunday night, I was just pissed.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 5: It is an incredible disapoint and if I'm being honest,

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Speaker 5: it wouldn't have even occurred to me right to vote

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Speaker 5: for the R Like that wouldn't have even been on

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Speaker 5: the table, especially after like the incredible victories that we

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Speaker 5: saw up and down the ballot, because folks are like, oh,

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Speaker 5: Democrats are finally standing up, right, are fighting for me?

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Speaker 5: Are you know, looking at healthcare costs right and how

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Speaker 5: they're going to just skyrocket? And so I just think

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Speaker 5: people deserve more and they want more, and I think

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Speaker 5: that that's what you can see from this reaction. I

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Speaker 5: certainly don't know the ins and outs of, you know,

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Speaker 5: what happened behind the scenes. What I do know is that,

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Speaker 5: you know, your job as a leader of a caucus

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Speaker 5: is to try to keep folks together. And it's an

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Speaker 5: incredible disappointment. And I feel like, as someone who's running

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Speaker 5: right now, we now just have to like rebuild that

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Speaker 5: trust and demonstrate that fight. And you know, this got

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Speaker 5: a little bit harder for folks unnecessarily. I don't completely

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Speaker 5: understand it, but I know so that people just were

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Speaker 5: excited because they saw Democrats standing up and having a

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Speaker 5: spine and that's the work. That's the work right now

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Speaker 5: under Donald Trump. You know, we literally see an authoritarian

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Speaker 5: regime that's like coming into power. This is not the

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Speaker 5: time to capitulate, like, it is the time to do

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Speaker 5: everything we can. And we don't have a whole lot

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Speaker 5: of tools in our toolbox, and this was the one

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Speaker 5: that we had and to just throw up your hands,

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Speaker 5: I don't get it.

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Speaker 1: I don't either. I also think, and this is something

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Speaker 1: I said to this person when they called me, you

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Speaker 1: underestimate the base at your own peril. At this moment,

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Speaker 1: you are campaigning in Minnesota, like I feel like when

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Speaker 1: I talk to people who are running for office, like

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Speaker 1: you are on the ground talking to the most engaged voters.

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Speaker 1: So what are they telling you?

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Speaker 5: You know, we're holding what we're calling kitchen table conversations

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Speaker 5: all across the state. It's a little less scripted town

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Speaker 5: hall and more community meeting, so folks are showing up.

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Speaker 5: We've got, of course, a lot of Democrats or dfllers

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Speaker 5: as we call ourselves here and Minnesota, but also people

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Speaker 5: who don't identify with like any political party, but are

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Speaker 5: just super freaked out by what's happening right now. And

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Speaker 5: then we have Republicans who are showing up too, And

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Speaker 5: that is important to me because I think we don't

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Speaker 5: have to agree on everything right now, but I think

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Speaker 5: the places where we do agree is that we're all

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Speaker 5: being screwed and it is the folks at the very

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Speaker 5: very top who are doing incredibly well. We're being empowered

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Speaker 5: by the Trump administration, and the rest of us have

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Speaker 5: to fight for scraps. And so the things that I'm hearing,

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Speaker 5: the number one thing that I hear no matter where

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Speaker 5: I am, if I'm in the urban core, if I

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Speaker 5: am in greater Minnesota, is healthcare.

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Speaker 1: That is the thing.

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Speaker 5: And this is even before we were talking about the

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Speaker 5: ACA subsidies. I was in Camby, Minnesota and southwestern Minnesota,

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Speaker 5: and there's a woman there who's a librarian and she's

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Speaker 5: married to a farmer. So they they buy in and

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Speaker 5: she said, our deductible is fifteen thousand dollars a year.

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Speaker 5: And she said, I just went to the doctor for

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Speaker 5: five minute medcheck appointment and a cost our family six

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Speaker 5: hundred dollars. That is just untenable. And so I think

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Speaker 5: it's it's important for us to be really clear that

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Speaker 5: things like prior authorization, right some dude sitting behind a desk,

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Speaker 5: who gets to determine whether or not you get the

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Speaker 5: life saving healthcarier doctor prescribed, Like, we got to get

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Speaker 5: rid of it, or we'll set off frankly like AI

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Speaker 5: or a robot and making that determination. And then I

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Speaker 5: think it's time for universal health care. We need medicare

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Speaker 5: for all. And you know what may have been seen

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Speaker 5: as like, oh, that's too far, that's too much. Folks

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Speaker 5: are ready, and so like that is the thing that

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Speaker 5: I'm hearing. People want us to be bold, and they're

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Speaker 5: sick of Democrats fighting from a defensive crouch, and so

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Speaker 5: it is, you know, all about being really clear that

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Speaker 5: these are the places that we are going to throw

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Speaker 5: down where we're going to fight for folks. That's what

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Speaker 5: people want.

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Speaker 1: So you're not going to take pack money, No a

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Speaker 1: pack you know, you don't have to suck up to

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Speaker 1: net and Yahoo. You don't have to go on a

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Speaker 1: trip with him. And I say this as a Jew

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Speaker 1: just nuts. I wonder what sort of the difference is

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Speaker 1: in your race, because you're running against Antie Kraig's member

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Speaker 1: of cockers. This race is really about the difference between

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Speaker 1: one part of the party and the other.

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Speaker 5: Sure, So I actually think that this is really the

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Speaker 5: fight that is facing the party overall. It is I

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Speaker 5: think the difference between a corporate Democrat and someone who's

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Speaker 5: got progressive values who is going to fight for working people.

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Speaker 5: I absolutely have made the decision to not take corporate

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Speaker 5: pack money because I see that the influence that corporations

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Speaker 5: have in elections is one of the things that's gotten

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Speaker 5: us here on both sides of the aisle.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 5: I don't want to be you know, I think it's

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Speaker 5: really disingenuous to say I'm going to somehow, you know,

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Speaker 5: hold big pharma accountable to lower the costs of prescription

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Speaker 5: drugs in one hand, and then have another hand I

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Speaker 5: would stretch to collect a check from them. People are

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Speaker 5: smarter than that, right, So I think that is a

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Speaker 5: big difference between my opponents and myself that I don't

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Speaker 5: think the seat should go to the highest bidder. I

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Speaker 5: think it should go to Minnesotan's I am not a

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Speaker 5: Beltway darling. You know, if this race was held in Washington,

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Speaker 5: d C. She'd probably win. Lucky for me, it's held

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Speaker 5: in Minnesota, and you know, I don't take a pac money.

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Speaker 5: But I also don't think they'd give it to me

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Speaker 5: to be there. You know, I said that I would

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Speaker 5: have voted for the Sanders resolution alongside my senators, Senator

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Speaker 5: Tina Smith and Senator Amyklobachard with regards to offensive weapons

687
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Speaker 5: this summer because I'm not okay with watching children starve.

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Speaker 5: I'm not okay with watching children's starve in Gaza. I'm

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Speaker 5: not okay with watching children starve in Minnesota. And that's

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Speaker 5: why we re breakfast and lunch for all kids. Right,

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Speaker 5: That's a consistent value. But it's also why Apak has

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Speaker 5: decided to target this race, or to target me and

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Speaker 5: support my opponents. And I think that I can, you know,

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Speaker 5: say that in the same way that I can hold

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Speaker 5: the Trump administration accountable and speak out if five concerns,

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Speaker 5: I can do the same thing about you know, Benjamin

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Speaker 5: notat Yahu and his government as well. They're just star

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Speaker 5: and that is I think the choice that is facing

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Speaker 5: so many folks in this country. But also just you know,

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Speaker 5: in this race in Minnesota, do you want the status

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Speaker 5: quo er? Do you want someone who's gonna to fight

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Speaker 5: and won't be beholden to the people are putting the

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Speaker 5: thumb on the scale in Washington.

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Speaker 1: I think there's been a lot of Democrat business as usual,

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Speaker 1: right like not wanting to upset the Apple car, not

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Speaker 1: wanting to you know, leadership. He is very you know,

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Speaker 1: well this one was elected and you can't move that one.

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Speaker 1: You know, I said, you guys are all ten thousand

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Speaker 1: years old. And one of the things that I think

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Speaker 1: made people the angriest was from twenty twenty to twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty four there was a feeling that Democrats would say,

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Speaker 1: you know, we can't do anything, like this is what

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Speaker 1: it is. We can't do anything. So you get into

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Speaker 1: the Senate, you will have this real, very safe Senate

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Speaker 1: seed and an opportunity to do really great things. And

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Speaker 1: you're young, so talk us through how you would be

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Speaker 1: different than that.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely. I mean so I'm an organizer, you know, I

719
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Speaker 5: was raised on the Wellstone for Senate campaign. That has

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Speaker 5: been so much of the work that I have done,

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Speaker 5: even before I got to elected office, was power mapping

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Speaker 5: who do we need to you know, build a relationship

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Speaker 5: with and move to support this policy change. You know,

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Speaker 5: the very first thing I'm going to do is have

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Speaker 5: ninety nine cups of coffee with people right to build

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Speaker 5: those relationships. I think that that still matters. And you know,

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Speaker 5: in Minnesota sometimes I got some grief when I was

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Speaker 5: the head of Children's Defense Fund from some of my

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Speaker 5: friends and the Democratic Party because they'd say, like, why

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Speaker 5: are you getting Republicans to author your bills? I was like,

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Speaker 5: because they're in the majority, and two years in the

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Speaker 5: life of a child, this a really long time. We

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Speaker 5: can't wait, you know, to the next biennium to have

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Speaker 5: healthy birth outcomes for you know, for children. So that

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Speaker 5: I think matters is trying to find you know, that

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Speaker 5: common ground those relationships, but also being really cleared that

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Speaker 5: how I'm campaigning right now doing you know, these events

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Speaker 5: all across the state of Minnesota is also how I'm

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Speaker 5: going to govern. That I think is what the disconnect

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Speaker 5: oftentimes is about and what you know, you talk about

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Speaker 5: that gap between twenty twenty and twenty twenty four, Oh,

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Speaker 5: we can't do anything, and also tells me that you

743
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Speaker 5: have to get outside of Washington, DC and talk to

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Speaker 5: real people about what is happening in their lives right now.

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Speaker 5: Because when you hear about a fifteen thousand dollars deductible

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Speaker 5: or someone being denied life saving care, for their cancer treatment,

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Speaker 5: Like that hits a different kind of way, and you're

748
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Speaker 5: going to have a different kind of fight when you

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Speaker 5: walk back into the halls of power, because you are

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Speaker 5: accountable and you know the people who are counting on

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Speaker 5: you in this moment. So that for me, I think,

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Speaker 5: is you know what is so incredibly important. I'm come

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Speaker 5: from resiliency, right, Like I'm not even supposed to be here.

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Speaker 1: I know what you come from, but tell us sure.

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Speaker 5: So Section eight is what secured at apartments for me

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Speaker 5: and for my mom, who was a single mom who

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Speaker 5: worked incredibly hard, but sometimes we didn't have enough money

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Speaker 5: to make ends meet. Snap is what kept food on

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Speaker 5: the table for my family, And Medicaid was my healthcare

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Speaker 5: as a kid with really bad asthma, where sometimes I

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Speaker 5: was like in the hospital more than I was out.

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Speaker 5: And so that to me really feels like, you know,

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Speaker 5: the experience that we need. But also, like I said,

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Speaker 5: you know, I grew up carrying a box of commodity

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Speaker 5: cheese under my arm like a football from the food shelf, right,

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Speaker 5: And so I don't have the same sort of pedigree

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Speaker 5: right that a lot of people serving in Congress or

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Speaker 5: you know, in the Senate too, And I think that's

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Speaker 5: a good thing, you know, And I'm not running to

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Speaker 5: make history, but there's never been a Native American woman

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Speaker 5: to serve in the US Senate before, Like it's probably time, right,

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Speaker 5: democracy works best when the people who represent us accurately

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Speaker 5: reflect the communities.

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Speaker 1: So it's important, It's so important. And I also think,

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Speaker 1: you know, I always, as someone who was born basically

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Speaker 1: on sega, I always think about this, you know. I

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Speaker 1: always ask people, like most of the people I know,

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Speaker 1: we're also born on second base, except for exam we're

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Speaker 1: born on their basic and you realize, like, the one

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Speaker 1: thing that Donald Trump said that was really true was

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Speaker 1: that the game is rigged.

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Speaker 5: Like that he was right, and it spoke to people, right,

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Speaker 5: And I think, like that is our opportunity. Now he

784
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Speaker 5: understands that the he understood that the game is rigged,

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Speaker 5: right like, and he didn't tell the truth and say

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Speaker 5: I'm going to continue.

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Speaker 1: You know more exactly right, But.

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Speaker 5: We can also lean in right to that notion because

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Speaker 5: people get it right, Like, people understand that right now

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Speaker 5: when you go, you know, when I'm in the grocery

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Speaker 5: store and I watch someone, I watch a mom have

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Speaker 5: to tell her kiddo to put something back. They aren't

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Speaker 5: the money, right, Like that is that is a feeling

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Speaker 5: I am deeply familiar with, but also just like the

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Speaker 5: reality that's facing so many folks right now. So we

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Speaker 5: had to just you know, buck up and take some risks.

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Speaker 5: And you know, if I am leading into people being

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Speaker 5: able to afford their lives and being bold and fighting

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Speaker 5: for the policies that I think are needed and necessary

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Speaker 5: in this moment, and folks aren't all about it, they

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Speaker 5: don't want to vote for me, that's fine because at

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Speaker 5: least I have my integrity at the end of the day.

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Speaker 5: I don't know that everybody can say that in this moment.

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Speaker 1: No, for sure. And you know, I think so much

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Speaker 1: about the lesson of Kristen Cinema, who came to the

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Speaker 1: Senate and now she lobbies for data centers. You have

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Speaker 1: to have a purity of heart. I guess that's right.

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Speaker 5: It is that is that is not my dream.

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Speaker 4: That is worse.

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Speaker 1: I'm telling you it is literally like that's how we

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Speaker 1: get here, right And I mean that's why you know

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Speaker 1: the things like bands on lobbying, bands on congressional stock trading,

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Speaker 1: all of that anti corruption stuff, that's going to need

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Speaker 1: to happen. I hope that sort of in your mind

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Speaker 1: is the kind of I.

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Speaker 5: Mean absolutely, I think it. You know, it starts with

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Speaker 5: not taking corporate pack money and you know, edding Citizens

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Speaker 5: United needs to be at the top of our list.

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Speaker 5: And I think this is why, right, like having more

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Speaker 5: folks with like lived experience serving an office, talking about

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Speaker 5: stock trades, this, that and the other thing, getting those

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Speaker 5: sweet deals once you leave, you know, Congress, we just

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Speaker 5: need more people who like understand what it's like to

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Speaker 5: you know, live paycheck to paycheck and you know, figure

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Speaker 5: that out. But yeah, folks know that the game is rigged.

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Speaker 5: That is all a part of it. Fighting that corruption,

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Speaker 5: you know, starting with a White House, but knowing that

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Speaker 5: it exists unfortunately in both parties.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, if you become a senner, what is

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Speaker 1: the first thing you're going to do. So the first

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Speaker 1: thing that.

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Speaker 5: I'm going to do is again start to build relationships

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Speaker 5: with people, because I think that that really matters. The

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Speaker 5: dehumanization of folks on you know, you know, both sides,

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Speaker 5: I think is one of the things that's led us

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Speaker 5: to this this point. It's harder to attack somebody if

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Speaker 5: you know about their family and you know the things

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Speaker 5: they care about. But ultimately, you know, I think it

839
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Speaker 5: is prior authorization is the fight that I want to

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Speaker 5: take on because I have seen it be so heartbreaking

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Speaker 5: and damaging to people healthcare and so you know, an

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Speaker 5: eighty percent of the time when people appeal a prior authorization,

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Speaker 5: it goes through, so like it's just a game. It's

844
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Speaker 5: completely unfair. And even you know, for me, right, like

845
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Speaker 5: I've spent hours on the phone fighting with my insurance

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Speaker 5: company to make sure that my daughter right can get

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Speaker 5: one inhaler that takes the place of two inhalers that

848
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Speaker 5: she can take once a day instead of twice a day.

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Speaker 5: And I'm really lucky that her pomonologist is like we're

850
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Speaker 5: going to the matt like, but that those kinds of things.

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Speaker 5: It is just about this bottom line. It's cruel. And

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Speaker 5: the people who can spend the time on the phone

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Speaker 5: like I can are the ones who you know, like

854
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Speaker 5: aren't working in that you know, factory job all day

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Speaker 5: where you have a five minute break. It's outrageous, So

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Speaker 5: we can do better. That is one of the first

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Speaker 5: fights that I want to take on, but just generally

858
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Speaker 5: want to make sure that people can't afford the lives

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Speaker 5: that they want to live.

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Speaker 1: Peggy, thank you. I think talk when you're in the

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Speaker 1: general awesome, No more sick, Jesse Cannon.

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Speaker 2: I have been talking to a lot of New York

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Speaker 2: business owners because, let's be honest, I'm a little too chatty,

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Speaker 2: which is why i went into podcasting. And one of

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Speaker 2: the things they keep telling me over and over again

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Speaker 2: is the tourists have not been here, and we're seeing

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Speaker 2: lots and lots of restaurants closing. Reading Eater, which diatribes

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Speaker 2: New York tourisms restaurant industry, you're seeing the ramp up

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Speaker 2: of restaurants going out of business at a clip that's

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Speaker 2: starting to be pretty alarming. That there's a lot of

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Speaker 2: articles and you'll be shocked to see a recent study

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Speaker 2: shows Canadians, some of our biggest tourists are staying home

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Speaker 2: and not coming here, to the tune of five point

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Speaker 2: seven billion dollars of tourism.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it turns out that declaring war on another country,

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Speaker 1: especially when it is your closest neighbor and alla makes

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Speaker 1: them not like you. It's a shocking development. You would

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Speaker 1: think right to declare war on a country which was

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Speaker 1: sort of known as your ally. I think this is

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Speaker 1: a great example of why everything in trump Ism is

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Speaker 1: so wrong, is so off, is so incredibly dysfunctional and disappointing. Right,

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Speaker 1: I'm not surprised by any of this. It's just such

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Speaker 1: an unnecessary thing, like all this stuff. It's like Trump

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Speaker 1: created all these problems. Like, Okay, So, Canadians traditionally make

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Speaker 1: up the largest group of international tourists the US. Twenty

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Speaker 1: eight percent of our seventy two point four million visitors

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four were Canadian. Ano they're not coming,

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Speaker 1: and they're not coming because they don't want to end

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Speaker 1: up in an ice facility, because they don't want to

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Speaker 1: support a country that they feel it doesn't like them,

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Speaker 1: doesn't appreciate them. You know, this is so stupid. It's

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Speaker 1: like with so many things in Trump to point out,

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Speaker 1: which like he told us he was going to do it,

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Speaker 1: it's very stupid and then he did it.

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Speaker 2: Yep, I will tell you Canada is still pretty woke.

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Speaker 2: We were actually pretty shocked how woke it was when

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Speaker 2: we went there. So it's no shock they don't want

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Speaker 2: to support the stupidity that we're doing here.

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Speaker 1: Oh well, Canada. That's it for this episode of Fast Politics.

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