1 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:24,320 Speaker 1: Can you. 2 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 2: I don't know how I'm in here. I'm always back. 3 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 3: Here, not too far back, because then we don't want 4 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 3: to not hear him. So as oppose as we get 5 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 3: a lot of noble, then that's fine. 6 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:38,640 Speaker 1: Can I just say I have not seen you in years? 7 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 2: It's five years? Why is this so zoomed in on me? 8 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:43,280 Speaker 2: What the hell is going on? 9 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 1: You're face cute? 10 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 2: What kind of joint you're running here? All right? Let 11 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 2: me this is I didn't even do you want to start? 12 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 2: You want to do it straight? You want to do 13 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 2: a hot from here? 14 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 4: All right? 15 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 3: They go from here, and that's a hot intro. 16 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 5: I'm not calling you Simon Dean ever, this is my 17 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 5: friend Nova from E c W everybody, because now this 18 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 5: is just between you and I, buddy, I have not 19 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 5: I have not seen you or talked to you honestly 20 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 5: in years, except for like text messaging. 21 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, the same anywhere you're I come up. They're actually 22 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:24,760 Speaker 2: coming here like two weeks to visit us for Olivia's birthday, 23 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 2: but I usually some time and sometimes at Christmas? 24 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:30,959 Speaker 5: Right, But I I left Facebook because I couldn't take 25 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:36,320 Speaker 5: it anymore. And when I left there, you did you 26 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:40,039 Speaker 5: totally he's such a dick. He will heal me, heal 27 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 5: me to no end. But I was you did. 28 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 2: Come on, you avoided that for a long time, like 29 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 2: like getting sucked into that subculture of the weirdos who 30 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 2: come after you guys, like the women of wrestling. You 31 00:01:57,040 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 2: actually did way better than most because you avoided it 32 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 2: for like tens. 33 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 1: Well, because I took a leave of absence for ten 34 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 1: years and you. 35 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 2: Didn't look for it either. Most of these marks, most 36 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:11,360 Speaker 2: of these marquets look for it, so you didn't. Now 37 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 2: they have to pay to see you, It's true. Yeah, great, 38 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 2: give me a free means membership. 39 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:19,919 Speaker 1: OnlyFans dot com. 40 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 2: Give me a free breast code. 41 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 5: If I knew how to do that, I would. I 42 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 5: don't even know how to do that. I don't even 43 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:31,519 Speaker 5: know how to maneuver my page. Anyway, How have you been? 44 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 1: What have you been up to? Let's let's start off 45 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 1: your gudea. How old is Olivia? 46 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 2: Olivia will be eleven years old on October twenty third. 47 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 2: Isn't that crazy? 48 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 5: Do you remember when you guys just had Olivia and 49 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 5: you called me and you're like, hey, queen, what are 50 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 5: you doing? 51 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 1: And I go, I'm breasting and all, oh your hear 52 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:53,519 Speaker 1: is you? 53 00:02:56,840 --> 00:03:00,639 Speaker 2: Olivia and Molly are around the same age, like yeah, yeah. 54 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 1: She's eleven and eight. Yeah yeah he's eight. 55 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:07,920 Speaker 2: So is that crazy? 56 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, they're they're getting too old too fasts. 57 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:15,080 Speaker 2: That's okay. I mean we age, well, we didn't. We 58 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 2: didn't come out as misfits and weirdo, you know what 59 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:19,240 Speaker 2: I mean. Like, so that's just a natural what a 60 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:21,919 Speaker 2: shock that we actually have normal lives and kids and 61 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:28,880 Speaker 2: we didn't turn out to be dead drug addicts, weirdos, misfits. Yeah, 62 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:29,520 Speaker 2: it happens. 63 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 5: Every time I would speak to him, whether it be 64 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 5: on the phone or text or whatever, he would always say, 65 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 5: We're so normal. 66 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 1: We're like the most normal people in the locker room. 67 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 2: I'm like pretty much. And it wasn't Here's the thing 68 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 2: about it, It wasn't weird because nobody made, nobody ever 69 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 2: made anybody in E CW feel like they were an 70 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 2: outsider or like a piece of shit or anything like that, 71 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 2: because they didn't partake. You want to do your drinking, 72 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 2: your drugs, you're riting your craziness, whatever you did. No 73 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 2: one cared about any of that. It was the most 74 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 2: like weirdest non judgmental group of people I'd ever been 75 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 2: around in any setting, in anything I've ever done in 76 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 2: the real world. 77 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 5: Too, because we were accepting of their lifestyle and they 78 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 5: were accepting of ours. It just we were all friends. 79 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 5: It didn't matter what you did or what you didn't do. 80 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:20,719 Speaker 5: We all just got. 81 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 1: Along, you know. 82 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, No one cared. No one was like, oh my god, 83 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 2: you didn't smoke, you're not cool, or you're not you're 84 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 2: not you're not yourn coke, or you're not ratting or 85 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 2: like what. No one cared. No one cared about any 86 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:32,279 Speaker 2: of that stuff. 87 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:36,799 Speaker 1: Let's go back. Yeah, let's go back like before. 88 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 5: E c W. So, for those who don't know, Nova 89 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:44,840 Speaker 5: has a twin brother named Donnie B who I haven't seen. 90 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:47,720 Speaker 2: Prob'll do your show one day, He'll come on your show. 91 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 1: I would like to have them on my show. 92 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I am. 93 00:04:52,960 --> 00:05:00,120 Speaker 1: That's yeah. We need a few more sponsors before I 94 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:00,719 Speaker 1: could start paying. 95 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 2: Let's start with one. 96 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 1: Let's start with one, exactly. 97 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 2: No, I have two. 98 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 3: Hey, Manscap Manscape doesn't uh you know that's those. 99 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:10,840 Speaker 2: And what else? 100 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:12,040 Speaker 1: No? 101 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 5: Our year anniversary, kid, we've been on the air for 102 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 5: a year now. 103 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:18,479 Speaker 2: I had no idea this even existed until you contact 104 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:20,720 Speaker 2: me a couple months ago and I was like, yeah, I. 105 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:24,920 Speaker 1: Don't follow under this horrible Let's go back. 106 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 5: So when you did you both get into wrestling at 107 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 5: the same time, did you guys like trained together? 108 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 2: So we had a friend of ours name Rich. I 109 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:36,920 Speaker 2: graduated high school in nineteen ninety me and Donnie. We 110 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 2: had a friend of ours name Rich And there was 111 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 2: a brand new wrestling school that opened up New Jersey 112 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 2: called Iron Mike Sharp's School Professional Wrestling. You don't know 113 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:47,839 Speaker 2: who he is, go look him up, famous old timer 114 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:50,720 Speaker 2: veteran Mike was awesome. So we used to go there 115 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:53,279 Speaker 2: because Rich signed up and we would watching. We would 116 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:55,599 Speaker 2: watch him train and practice because we were fans too. 117 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 2: So probably after about like two or three months of this, 118 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 2: Mike kept asking us to get into the ring. So 119 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:03,159 Speaker 2: finally one day I tried it. You know, I was 120 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 2: like a little fat nerdy wrestling mark kind of I 121 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:07,159 Speaker 2: was like, I'll give the shit, I don't care. So 122 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 2: I kind of liked it a little bit. Donnie b 123 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 2: tried a little bit. He never liked the physicality part 124 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 2: of it, but he was part of the school. He 125 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 2: got into like managing and being part of like the 126 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 2: wherever I went to do shows on the weekends, he 127 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 2: came to. So it was like myself, him, Rick Ratchet, 128 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:30,359 Speaker 2: Devin storm a Starland, our whole rock o'dor all of 129 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:32,920 Speaker 2: us together. We did all the Dino Santa shows. That's 130 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 2: where I first met Dreamer, a bunch of the North 131 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:39,479 Speaker 2: East indie guys. Because that's how you started. Like you 132 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 2: went to a school, you bounced around, you sent your 133 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 2: tapes out to Dennis or Dino, or you worked for 134 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 2: down in Baltimore. You just worked for Tommy d and 135 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 2: Staten Island or Mike Dano like whoever had shows on 136 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:54,719 Speaker 2: the weekend. Just get in a car and drive. You 137 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 2: brought your gear bag. If you got twenty bucks, maybe 138 00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 2: you have to be on the Battle Royal, whatever the 139 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 2: hell you could be on, you know. So we were. 140 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 2: That's how we started. And Donnie has never gotten to 141 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:06,840 Speaker 2: the physical part of it. It's not for everybody. And 142 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 2: then that's how you. I never met you before, U 143 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 2: before e c W. I doubt it. Like you didn't 144 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 2: start with garying them until when well. 145 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 5: I started in ninety three with JJ Smith and I 146 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 5: trained with Stevie. 147 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 2: Okay, so you start like a year I started beginning 148 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:28,239 Speaker 2: of ninety two, so a year after you never crossed 149 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 2: paths until E. C. Dub No. 150 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 1: I only went down to the arena to train. 151 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 5: They had the you know, the ring that was in 152 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 5: the back, and I. 153 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 2: Mean that was honestly, that's how a lot of them 154 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 2: more like somebody had a building, a warehouse, a school 155 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 2: like something like that. I see these things now like 156 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 2: these stay in nice the training facilities, not even w 157 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 2: e s like other guys that have these amazing schools 158 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 2: and all these I'm like guys. I mean, Mike Sharp's 159 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 2: was the old boxing ring that got converted to a 160 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 2: rustling ring and we didn't know about it. So it 161 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 2: is a different time and we're not going to be 162 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 2: the old times that pound our fists and say hey 163 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 2: this is when we did it. But it was when 164 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 2: I tell you, it was different, it was different. 165 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 5: And it's interesting you say that because I think about 166 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 5: this often too. Do you feel like, twenty twenty five 167 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 5: years ago, if it was that way, then do you 168 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 5: think you would have made it? 169 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 2: Uh? 170 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 5: I don't really having to do the like the because 171 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 5: I watched I've seen them like the you know, the 172 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 5: girls and stuff go through the performance center and with 173 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 5: the drills and this and that and the other thing. 174 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 5: I was trained a lot different like for us. It 175 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 5: wasn't so like strict so to speak. 176 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 2: It was it was it was more that's what it 177 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:47,079 Speaker 2: is now now it's like hey, Like when I came down, 178 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 2: it was part of OBW. It was Hey, eight thirty 179 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 2: in the morning, training more and more regimented, doing drills 180 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 2: and cardio and all that stuff, which I don't have 181 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 2: a problem with that. Like even now when I oversaw 182 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 2: the developmental system, I actually, you know, that's kind of 183 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 2: what we're moving towards. But I think the people now 184 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 2: it's easier to get into it, it's harder to stay 185 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 2: in it. Like it's easier to get signed, it's harder 186 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 2: to stay signed. So that's their penance, so to speak, 187 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 2: like getting signed off the street or they did another 188 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 2: sport or whatever hell they did before they before they 189 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 2: learned they had a lifelong dream or want to be 190 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:24,440 Speaker 2: a wrestler. Brother, if this is what they have to 191 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 2: do to come in and be part of it, You're 192 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 2: doing drills and cardio and updowns and tackles and all that. 193 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 2: Ten thousand stuff because they're not doing any of this 194 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:37,440 Speaker 2: stuff anywhere else, Like they're not getting matches, they're not 195 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 2: doing shows anywhere. So I mean that's the trade. 196 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 1: Off, right, But the way you see. 197 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 2: You would have done it, we would have done it. 198 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:49,559 Speaker 5: Mean the way you said you were a fan and 199 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:52,320 Speaker 5: you would go and you would just watch right and 200 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:54,199 Speaker 5: they said, oh, come in the ring. He said, come 201 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 5: in the ring. Would you have gone if you knew 202 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:00,559 Speaker 5: like that? It was like this, like did he just 203 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:02,320 Speaker 5: said get in the ring on a win? Right, and 204 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:03,719 Speaker 5: you were like, yeah, let me try this. 205 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, we would go all the time and watching Mike's Hey, 206 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:07,679 Speaker 2: give it a shot. So I got the ring and 207 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:09,320 Speaker 2: ran the ropes a little bit and then Mike helped 208 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:12,440 Speaker 2: us out. Mike was not a uh, we didn't have 209 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:14,440 Speaker 2: time to Hey, everybody, get there eight o'clock at night. 210 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 2: That's you know, the classes were later at night, and 211 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 2: none of the wrestling schools were like they are now though, 212 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:21,199 Speaker 2: So yeah, what was it in the. 213 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 1: Back of your mind that you wanted to be in 214 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 1: this business? 215 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 2: I kind of thought it was pretty cool, but it 216 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:28,679 Speaker 2: was so beyond like, you know, we had a dad 217 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:30,719 Speaker 2: who had a garage door business this whole until he 218 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:32,679 Speaker 2: passed away years ago. My mom was a stay at 219 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:34,679 Speaker 2: home mom, like we had no relatives in the business, 220 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 2: no family. I sat at home watching Hogan versus Andre 221 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:41,080 Speaker 2: at WrestleMania three, always a young Mark fan like it 222 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 2: was five 't ten at that point, two hundred something 223 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 2: pounds of like a little nerdy comic book, sci fi 224 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 2: nerdy fat kid. It's never a million years enter my 225 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 2: head that I could actually be a wrestler. Okay, So 226 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 2: for Mike's to jump in the ring in school around 227 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 2: it was cool, and for me it was, hey, this 228 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 2: is gonna be like my baseball soft ball like bowling 229 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 2: league kind of. Mike had shows it to school every 230 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 2: two weeks. That's where I first met Stide my Sharp shows. 231 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 2: So we would do those shows, and I was like, 232 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 2: this is it. This is never going to go I'm 233 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 2: gonna be like I was going to school for mathematics 234 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 2: and computer science. So I was like, this, that's what 235 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 2: I'm gonna do. I'm just gonna screw around with this 236 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 2: and I'm never ever gonna do anything with it. I 237 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 2: didn't care, like every time you ever got another milestone 238 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 2: of the business, at least when we were in it, 239 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 2: like you chalked it up to Wow, that's cool, man. 240 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:29,719 Speaker 2: I can't believe I pulled that off. Like when I 241 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:31,319 Speaker 2: stood in the ring of WrestleMania, I just kind of 242 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 2: looked around like that's it. Like I've just played for 243 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:37,840 Speaker 2: the Yankees. There's nothing more than this. We accomplished the 244 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:41,439 Speaker 2: grandest stage, so everything after that was shit. I mean 245 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 2: now the kids now, I do think for the guy, 246 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:47,719 Speaker 2: the people that are in it now, I don't think 247 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 2: it's going to be as crippling to them or crushing 248 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:52,679 Speaker 2: to a lot of them when they do eventually get 249 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 2: released or quit or move on like people that came 250 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 2: up in our era, which I think led a lot 251 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:01,560 Speaker 2: to the pills, the alcohol, to the depression, all of that. 252 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 2: Because the spotlight got taken off of us. We didn't 253 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 2: get to be part of the life. Brother, we weren't 254 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:10,760 Speaker 2: in it anymore. These fans, like I hate to use 255 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:13,199 Speaker 2: this term, but like when I left the wrestling business, 256 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:16,199 Speaker 2: it was it stung. I can it can it to 257 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:19,199 Speaker 2: like getting divorced. So now if you if you love 258 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:21,440 Speaker 2: that person when you got divorced, it really bothers you. 259 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:23,559 Speaker 2: Like these people now, a lot of them, they got 260 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 2: in for a couple of years. Well, hell, they're in 261 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 2: three to four or five years and they're still like 262 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:29,199 Speaker 2: thirty or thirty one. They got out, they got the 263 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 2: whole rest of their life. They're not gonna give a 264 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:32,599 Speaker 2: shit that they were with the w NXT, whatever the 265 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 2: hell it was for two years. They shouldn't move on. 266 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 1: Do you remember do you remember the last show that 267 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 1: we did in Pine Bluff? And do you remember you 268 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:44,839 Speaker 1: pulling up in the car next to me? Do you 269 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:45,720 Speaker 1: remember what you did? 270 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 2: No professional memory. I remember the show because it. 271 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 1: Was I'm crying, right, I'm so depressed. I'm crazy. 272 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:55,440 Speaker 2: We all knew, we all knew everybody. 273 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, and everybody goes to the ring and everybody's having 274 00:12:57,760 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 1: a beer. 275 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:00,959 Speaker 2: You hope a lot more than Oh so you really 276 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:02,959 Speaker 2: did like you were an optimist all the way to 277 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:03,320 Speaker 2: the end. 278 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:08,560 Speaker 5: I tried because Paul kept telling me, and Okay, So 279 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:12,080 Speaker 5: I'm upset and I get in the car and we're 280 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:15,080 Speaker 5: driving and Novill pulls up. I don't even know who 281 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 5: was in our cars. He goes like this, rolled down 282 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 5: the window. I rolled down the window and he starts 283 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 5: he goes, oh the we've come. 284 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, because you were so sad. 285 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:31,080 Speaker 2: It wasn't uncommon for e c W. Like I was 286 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 2: one hundred percent known as like the asshole, smart ass 287 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:36,679 Speaker 2: smart alec. 288 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:38,559 Speaker 1: Like you and I were always friends. 289 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, of course we all were like nobody. Yeah, like 290 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:45,960 Speaker 2: hated each other, even people and had the quote unquote 291 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 2: heat with brother. I never really hated any of them. 292 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:50,320 Speaker 2: There was a couple of whom rubbed me the wrong way, 293 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 2: you know, and then but I never cared about it 294 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 2: years later, like to me, like Dreamers said at one time, 295 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 2: like the e CW heat died in e c W, 296 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:01,440 Speaker 2: and I always felt the same way, like I just 297 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 2: never really, I don't know, man, it just never there. 298 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 2: There was no giant amount of enough money for me 299 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:09,560 Speaker 2: to be so mad at somebody that I had stab 300 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:11,440 Speaker 2: him in the back or finish them off for just 301 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 2: so incensed that they screwed me over for this pot 302 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 2: of gold, you know what I mean. It was just 303 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 2: it was fool gold. I mean, we were there for 304 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 2: the love of it. We all liked each other. We 305 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 2: had a great time. I've been asked way more in 306 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 2: my lifetime what was it like to wrestle at the 307 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 2: ECW Arena than I was ever asked about wrestling at 308 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 2: the Garden at a wrestle Mania and La and Tokyo 309 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 2: and any of it. 310 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, a lot to the table. 311 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 5: A lot of the boys always say to me, you 312 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 5: know how lucky you are that you worked for ECW. 313 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 5: We would guess to work for ECW, like and I'm 314 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 5: just like I do. 315 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 2: Yeah. There's a lot of guys who were fans or 316 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 2: in the business now, like guys I'm not gonna name 317 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 2: all the names. There's a shitload of guys who are 318 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 2: in the business now who I met over the years 319 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 2: who said to me their goal when they got into 320 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 2: wrestling was to wrestle for ECW, Like it wasn't to 321 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 2: be a W Superstars WW. Nobody ever. First of all, 322 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 2: nobody ever mentions WCW. Now that's not because we both 323 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 2: had a lot of friends that worked there. Oh of course. 324 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 2: Never had a single person that said to me, man, 325 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 2: I can't believe it. W W would have had a business 326 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 2: and that was it. Like never, Like there's talent on 327 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 2: the W roster right now, like main roster talent who 328 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 2: told me when they were growing up as kids that 329 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 2: they were huge ECW fans, that that's what they wanted 330 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 2: to wrestle. 331 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 5: How did you get involved with ECW. You mentioned earlier 332 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 5: that you me and Stevie, you know, give you. 333 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 2: A good in. We have a mutual benefactor in that 334 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 2: in Levy. 335 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 1: Okay. 336 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 2: So here's how it start. I was at a New 337 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 2: Jack City Wrestling show in New Jersey. We were all 338 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 2: there doing the show late ninety it was beginning of 339 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 2: ninety six. The main event on the show was Levy 340 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 2: versus Mikey. Mary, Kate was there, her mom was there, 341 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 2: Bella doing the TV shirts, everyone Money, everybody was there. 342 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 2: So intermission comes and I'm wrestling on the show, the 343 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 2: superhero Kate, the Outfit, the whole deal in a tag 344 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 2: match after are you super nov the whole deal? So 345 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 2: I met Lee and Pass and just like, Hey, what's 346 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 2: going on man at the show? I never met him before, 347 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 2: but Stevie was already teener with him and stuff. Hey, 348 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 2: Stevie was getting pushed at ECW Tag Team Champion all 349 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 2: this time because I went taking w Rena several times 350 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 2: as a fan, even though it's at Mike Sharps, just 351 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 2: like in the audience to see the show. Because Stevie 352 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 2: would get his tickets, and I was like, holy shit, 353 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 2: this is incredible. Never in a million years thought I'd 354 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 2: be there. So leeve he's on the show intermission, Bella 355 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 2: says to me, hey, Nova, Scotty wants to talk to you. 356 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 2: Because I was on early on the show. I'm like, 357 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 2: oh shit, what did I do wrong? And I only 358 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 2: knew him at this point. He's like Johnny Polo and 359 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 2: all that stuff and ring. He's like, oh my god, 360 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:48,640 Speaker 2: why you want to talk to me? So he pulls 361 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 2: me aside. He's like, hey man, He's like, this superhero 362 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 2: thing isn't like are you serious with this or what? 363 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 2: It's like. This is like Adam West Batman kind of. 364 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 2: I go yeah. He goes, this is great. He goes, 365 00:16:57,800 --> 00:17:00,120 Speaker 2: get me a tape of just your ring. Entrance is 366 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 2: running around with the kids doing cartwheels and all that. 367 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 2: He goes, I want to show up to Paul and 368 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:07,160 Speaker 2: Tommy and Taz. I'm making a little group in ECW. 369 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 2: He goes, I got Stevie there. He goes, We're getting 370 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:12,239 Speaker 2: this big fat guy from Philadelphia named I'm gonna call 371 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:14,159 Speaker 2: him the Blue MIENI from Yellow Submarine. And I had 372 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 2: no idea what the hell that was this is late 373 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:22,120 Speaker 2: ninety five, beginning at the tape early in middle ninety five. 374 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:25,399 Speaker 2: So I said, okay, I'll put the tape together. I 375 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:26,760 Speaker 2: go home, and this is when you had to have 376 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:30,720 Speaker 2: two VCRs to like record tape record. So I'm making 377 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 2: this highlight tape of me doing my shit, and Leevy says, hey, 378 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:36,879 Speaker 2: you know, bring the tape up to Moon Dancers and 379 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 2: drop it off on me. I'm like, all right, no problem. 380 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:42,359 Speaker 2: So I'm home and I'm looking at like the phone 381 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 2: book and all this. I said, what is Moon Dancers, Well, 382 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:48,119 Speaker 2: it's the strip club. So I put the tape together, 383 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:50,960 Speaker 2: and me and Donnie b and Rock o' dorsey we 384 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:53,480 Speaker 2: go to Moon Dancers one night. To look now, imagine 385 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:56,719 Speaker 2: us three walking in like our normal cities and all that, 386 00:17:56,800 --> 00:18:00,880 Speaker 2: walking into the Booby Club to go find me. Oh 387 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:06,360 Speaker 2: my god. We walk in. There's Levy behind the DJ thing, 388 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:10,320 Speaker 2: putting himself over doing whatever. Walk in. I give him 389 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 2: the tape. He says, oh, thanks a lot of kid, 390 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 2: the whole deal. I leave. Three days later, I get 391 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:17,480 Speaker 2: home from Wendy's That's why I was working at the time, 392 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 2: and my mom's like, hey, there's some dynamic Raven or 393 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 2: something on the answer machine. He left you a message, 394 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:25,880 Speaker 2: and I'm like, oh my god. Really, So he's like, yeah, hey. 395 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:27,880 Speaker 6: Kidd you know I saw your tape. You know, Taz 396 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:30,399 Speaker 6: and Tommy and I really loved it. Man could come 397 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:32,200 Speaker 6: on down to the next arena show and we'll see 398 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:34,680 Speaker 6: what we can do for you. So I'm already freaking out, like, 399 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 6: oh my god. So the next arena show, I'd go 400 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:41,439 Speaker 6: down there. And to this day, it was, besides Olivia's birth, 401 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:43,479 Speaker 6: it was the scariest. 402 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:45,880 Speaker 2: Moment in my life. Walking towards the entrance away where 403 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:50,680 Speaker 2: it was and it was ron Ronnie Atlas was out there, 404 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:52,359 Speaker 2: and I said, hey, can you go back there and 405 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:54,560 Speaker 2: tell Raven and a guy named Nova's here for him. 406 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:56,920 Speaker 2: So like five minutes later, Ronnie comes through the curt 407 00:18:56,960 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 2: and he goes, hey, come on back. I'm like, holy shit, 408 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:01,760 Speaker 2: here there it is. I walk in the back. The 409 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:05,200 Speaker 2: first one that came up through his Beulah. She's like, hey, hey, 410 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 2: I saw your tape too. I saw It's really funny. 411 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:09,120 Speaker 2: You're the superhero, right, I'm like yeah. I was like, hey, 412 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 2: nice to meet you. And then Tommy came over eating 413 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 2: a hot dog. He's like, hey, Dino Santa, how you 414 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:15,800 Speaker 2: doing because I knew him from Tom from Dinos. And 415 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:18,639 Speaker 2: he hands me a hot dog and goes, uh, I 416 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 2: love your tape. Man. It's great. If you just want 417 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:22,119 Speaker 2: to start showing up to the shows, we'll have your 418 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 2: car up to the ring with Scotty. You'd be part 419 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 2: of whatever the hell he wants to do with this 420 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 2: flock thing. Here's your first payday. And he had me 421 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:32,359 Speaker 2: a hot dog and I was like thanks, and I 422 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 2: was I just started going to the shows doing the 423 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:38,360 Speaker 2: flock stuff with Raven and Stevie and Meanie and we 424 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 2: were and looking back on it, we were nothing more 425 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:44,160 Speaker 2: than the window dressing to his act. But and that's 426 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:46,120 Speaker 2: what we were. I mean, Scotty brought a whole bunch 427 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:47,639 Speaker 2: of us in, like we all a lot of us 428 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:49,880 Speaker 2: got to be brought in. It's like extras. And then 429 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:52,080 Speaker 2: through the hard work and what we did to get 430 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:54,960 Speaker 2: ourselves over, we took the ball and ran with it. 431 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:56,840 Speaker 2: We got off everybody. There were so many people that 432 00:19:56,840 --> 00:19:59,439 Speaker 2: would come to ECW and just kind of like showed up. 433 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 2: They tried to be part of the act. And you, 434 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:03,159 Speaker 2: I mean, Jesus Christ, we can name a ton of 435 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:05,439 Speaker 2: people like that, But that's how it all started. 436 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 5: Do you feel like you said it earlier as people 437 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:12,080 Speaker 5: just wanted to work in ECW. 438 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:16,920 Speaker 1: You had a pretty good career in WWE. How did 439 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:19,120 Speaker 1: you get Tommy's job in the off case? 440 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 2: And which company did you like working for better? I, 441 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 2: because honestly, I want I was always I always. It's 442 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:29,679 Speaker 2: gonna sound really crazy, but I'm telling you take this advice. 443 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:33,280 Speaker 2: If you're listening to this, if you can be, try 444 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 2: to be successful outside the ring too, and not just 445 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:39,680 Speaker 2: always come across as a wrestler. Like I always viewed 446 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:42,399 Speaker 2: myself as someone who was in the wrestling business. I 447 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:45,679 Speaker 2: never viewed myself as a wrestler. Brother I didn't. So 448 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:48,880 Speaker 2: I was college educated, I was intelligent, I was well spoken, 449 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:51,720 Speaker 2: I was regimented, and I always tried to not only 450 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:55,200 Speaker 2: just worry about the working inside the ring. I worried 451 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:58,640 Speaker 2: about the working outside of the ring, which carries over 452 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 2: into the real world. I tell him people all the time, 453 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:03,399 Speaker 2: the real world doesn't work. If you learn how to 454 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:05,360 Speaker 2: work the gimmick in the real world, you can get over. 455 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:09,720 Speaker 2: That's all that matters. So I had been through OBW, 456 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:12,440 Speaker 2: I've been through the system. I've been well traveled. I 457 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:15,120 Speaker 2: knew everybody in the Independence. So when they were getting 458 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 2: ready to launch ECW, Tommy Dreamer in an office setting 459 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 2: was probably like somebody with a size twelve foot trying 460 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 2: to wear like a size five shoe. It just wasn't 461 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:28,159 Speaker 2: a good fit. This is out of his mouth. He 462 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:31,680 Speaker 2: hated it. The highlight of Tommy's day was walking around 463 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:36,439 Speaker 2: Titan Tower with thumbtacks sticking him in his head to 464 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:38,639 Speaker 2: walk into the offices of the other employees who were 465 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:41,440 Speaker 2: there to freak them out, or taking pencils and throw 466 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:44,159 Speaker 2: them in the ceiling and watch them a stick. But 467 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:46,119 Speaker 2: Tommy helped out a lot of guys because you could 468 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 2: like good old boy a kind of back then still, 469 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 2: and the minute they were thinking about relaunching ec DUB, 470 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:54,400 Speaker 2: I knew that Simon Dean I was kind of burnt 471 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 2: down on SmackDown. I kind of hate it going because 472 00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 2: it just was a miserable place to be. There were 473 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:01,159 Speaker 2: so many guys out maybe a hard time, and it 474 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 2: just allows in today's environment is apparently a million times better. 475 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 2: So I think a lot of the guys that are 476 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 2: now or should be very thankful what they had, but 477 00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:11,160 Speaker 2: there was a bunch of pieces shit I was around. 478 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:13,680 Speaker 2: I hate it going, And they asked me the opportunity. 479 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:15,040 Speaker 2: I says, you know what, if there's a chance to 480 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:17,880 Speaker 2: be able to be behind the scenes and help out 481 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:20,200 Speaker 2: young talent so they don't get lost in the mix, 482 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 2: to try to get him a shot, I took it. 483 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:24,720 Speaker 2: So because I knew I was never going to be 484 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:26,440 Speaker 2: a lifer either. I figured I'd be there for a 485 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:28,119 Speaker 2: couple of years and maybe to move on. Like there 486 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:31,399 Speaker 2: was no part I'm forty eight. There was no part 487 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 2: in any of my plan that ever said I'm gonna 488 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:35,159 Speaker 2: be working in the pro wrestling business when I'm in 489 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:38,000 Speaker 2: my forties. Ever, I never ever thought. I always wanted 490 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 2: to do more, always right, and I liked wrestling. There's 491 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:47,199 Speaker 2: parts of WWF we like. I liked. I met some 492 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:49,919 Speaker 2: lifelong fans friends there. It was cool and you know, 493 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,960 Speaker 2: honestly we grew up. We were WV fans, Like that's 494 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 2: the place you always wanted to wind up. So so 495 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 2: nobody can ever tell us like something's impossible, because even 496 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:00,960 Speaker 2: like when my employees do they say something's impossible, it 497 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:02,480 Speaker 2: is that I hold up one of my action figures, 498 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:05,639 Speaker 2: and I'm like, well, this was impossible. I'm like, getting 499 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:09,080 Speaker 2: to twenty five new households for the month, that's not impossible. Guys. 500 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:12,479 Speaker 2: This as like a fat Mark kid from Tom's Liver, 501 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:14,960 Speaker 2: New Jersey. This was impossible. I mean you got to 502 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 2: push up from perspective, right. So, but I liked, I 503 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:21,439 Speaker 2: love There's just something about ECW being part of it. 504 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 2: We just were all cool group. I hung out with 505 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 2: everybody from whether it was Van Dam or Sandman, the 506 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:30,760 Speaker 2: top guys are talking to Paul or even travel with 507 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:33,320 Speaker 2: Randy in the van or whatever the hell we were doing. Man, 508 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 2: we just all had a good time. There was never 509 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:38,680 Speaker 2: we were all in our early late twenties, early thirties, 510 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 2: if that travel around having a good time. I mean, 511 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:45,119 Speaker 2: you know, I didn't partake in a lot of the 512 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:47,920 Speaker 2: craziness that everybody else. A lot of the guys did. 513 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:49,679 Speaker 2: They had a lot more fun than I did in 514 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:52,400 Speaker 2: that aspect. But I got to see the United States, man, 515 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 2: I got to travel. I had fun. We had a 516 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:54,879 Speaker 2: great time. 517 00:23:55,800 --> 00:24:00,040 Speaker 1: Would you have left if the company continued. 518 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,680 Speaker 2: I don't know, because like when they were getting ready 519 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:06,240 Speaker 2: to collapse, we knew it was going south, Like before 520 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:09,639 Speaker 2: the Pine Bluff show, I had already talked to Johnny 521 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 2: Ace who was in w W. Johnny As had called 522 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:13,880 Speaker 2: me multiple times to bring me in the cruiseweight division, 523 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 2: so I knew East w F and I was like, 524 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 2: you know, Paul said, if something happens, he's gonna bring 525 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 2: us all in that kind of deal. That's cool, man, 526 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 2: and uh, you know, it is what it is. But 527 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:27,440 Speaker 2: I was if they had kept going, me and C W. 528 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:30,120 Speaker 2: Anderson would have feuded over the TV title. I would 529 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:32,760 Speaker 2: because it right right when we collapsed, right when we folded. 530 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:36,879 Speaker 2: I was in peak physical condition. I was over. I 531 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:38,919 Speaker 2: had a huge following. I was getting one of the 532 00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:41,720 Speaker 2: best reactions of the night. I mean, that's just reality. 533 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:43,080 Speaker 2: They go back and watch the pay per views, so 534 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 2: my music would hit the place we go ape shit, 535 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 2: and I was they just because they saw me go 536 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:51,399 Speaker 2: from a flunky running around the ring with Scottie to 537 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:55,159 Speaker 2: team with Meanie doing the BWO, the metamorphosis, through that 538 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:58,439 Speaker 2: teaming with Chetty, all through that and now like the 539 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:01,159 Speaker 2: fans felt like they took that five year ride with me, 540 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 2: so now it's getting ready to pay it off. Like 541 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,520 Speaker 2: I was looking forward to wrestling Jerry Lynn and Van 542 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:09,479 Speaker 2: Dam and like all those guys in legitimate matches, the 543 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 2: real matches where the fans would have bought the false finishes. 544 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:14,400 Speaker 2: Not a ship would have been Nova from the Batwo 545 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:16,359 Speaker 2: wrestling against Rob van Dam. It would have been like 546 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:20,479 Speaker 2: Nova is kicking the kick ass Nova versus Rob Van Dam. 547 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 5: I feel like we, you know, we had so much 548 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,960 Speaker 5: experience at that point under our belt, and we had 549 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:29,680 Speaker 5: so much more to give. And I think that's why 550 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 5: it hurt me so much the way it went under, 551 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:35,639 Speaker 5: because a we hung on for dear life. We sunk 552 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 5: with the ship, right, we stayed, but we had come 553 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:44,160 Speaker 5: so far and just all of us has We've grown 554 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:47,200 Speaker 5: so much in that company, and we were all at 555 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:49,480 Speaker 5: the top of our game, like you said, and then 556 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:51,920 Speaker 5: it was just like the rug was pulled from under us, 557 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:54,600 Speaker 5: and that is off to this day. 558 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:58,119 Speaker 2: Imagine buying stocks, right, so let's envision all of us 559 00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:01,160 Speaker 2: are a stock, and we allow five year time, each 560 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:03,520 Speaker 2: one of our stock keeps raising and raising and raising, 561 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:06,400 Speaker 2: and the stock was about to go bananas, and then 562 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:09,200 Speaker 2: all the companies go bankrupt. Like that's how I viewed 563 00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 2: up us, Like all of our stock was about to 564 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,960 Speaker 2: become Amazon, and then the company just went away, which 565 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 2: is crazy because we had video game deals, action figure deals, 566 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,399 Speaker 2: the TNN thing collapsed. That was the shits. But I mean, 567 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:23,920 Speaker 2: there are so many things that went wrong that it 568 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:30,159 Speaker 2: was Especially what always bothered me was WWF buys WCW, 569 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:33,800 Speaker 2: So that's one of the competitors went away. So in theory, 570 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:35,399 Speaker 2: if we've been able to hold on for another like 571 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:37,439 Speaker 2: six months to a year, it just would have been 572 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 2: us and the WF. 573 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 1: Do you have a theory? 574 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:44,359 Speaker 5: Because for me, I think back and people ask me 575 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 5: all the time and I never know how to answer 576 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,960 Speaker 5: this question honestly, and maybe I'm just naive or I'm 577 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:52,919 Speaker 5: just dumb and I miss something. Do you think that 578 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:55,720 Speaker 5: Paul did not want to sell the company to, like 579 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:59,040 Speaker 5: say a Billy Corgan who who allegedly offered him a 580 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:02,960 Speaker 5: million dollars to take ECW right? Do you think Paul 581 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,080 Speaker 5: did not want to sell it because that was his 582 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:07,160 Speaker 5: baby and he didn't want anyone else. 583 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:07,480 Speaker 1: To have it. 584 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,520 Speaker 2: I do I think that he ultimately no matter what, 585 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:13,399 Speaker 2: like look, I have no ill will towards Paul Hayman. 586 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,680 Speaker 2: He was a wrestling Here's the thing Paul Hayman was 587 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,560 Speaker 2: a wrestling promoter, and I wrestled for Paul Hayman. That's it. 588 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 2: Our relationship never really went much further than that. He 589 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,119 Speaker 2: was a boss. I was an employee. Hey Paul, what's up, boss? 590 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:26,560 Speaker 2: Like that was it? Like, I mean, there was a 591 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,480 Speaker 2: lot of resentment. Yeah, it was money owed after collapsing 592 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,040 Speaker 2: all that, sure, whatever, I mean, but that's all like, 593 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,719 Speaker 2: it's not tangible money that I can That was bonuses 594 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:37,399 Speaker 2: and pay per view and like all that stuff. So 595 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:40,439 Speaker 2: it sucked, but I'm not mad about it. But I 596 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:41,719 Speaker 2: do think, you know, at the end of the day, 597 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 2: the company that Paul started went bankrupt and went under 598 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,080 Speaker 2: and it went away. So I think that probably to 599 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,360 Speaker 2: back his mind, he always thought that they could salvage 600 00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:51,320 Speaker 2: it or save it or something. I don't think he 601 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,919 Speaker 2: sat around at the eleventh hour saying I'm good, I'm 602 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:56,800 Speaker 2: gonna get out of here and let them hold the 603 00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:58,439 Speaker 2: bag and get the hell out of Dodge. I just 604 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,679 Speaker 2: don't over the years changed my stance on that. I 605 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,199 Speaker 2: just don't. You know. It definitely bothered him too, Like 606 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,639 Speaker 2: there's no anner if he didn't sit up multiple nights 607 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:08,960 Speaker 2: to be like I can't believe this is happening, because 608 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:10,800 Speaker 2: there was no guarantee that he was gonna go walk 609 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 2: in the door somewhere either. I mean, Paul didn't. He 610 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:17,320 Speaker 2: had probably nuclear heatd some places with people, and probably 611 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,920 Speaker 2: still to this day there was that old, weird old 612 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,359 Speaker 2: timers a heat thing where people hate each other until 613 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 2: they go to the grave. So I. 614 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,160 Speaker 5: Know, I just never know how to answer that question, 615 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 5: because we were kind of in the dark for most 616 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:36,199 Speaker 5: of the rock. We just showed up and worked and 617 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 5: if we got paid it was it was a bonus. 618 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 5: And if we didn't get paid, we would just all 619 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 5: sit around. 620 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,240 Speaker 2: And give. 621 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:48,360 Speaker 5: Buy a pizza and share slices and just kind of 622 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:49,240 Speaker 5: hang out with each other. 623 00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:51,000 Speaker 2: You know, if we sat there at the end of 624 00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 2: the night and when Debbie Beaumont came walking over a 625 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,240 Speaker 2: scent Finnigan or one of the guys of Pee Wee 626 00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,320 Speaker 2: but your little paper check and gave it to you, 627 00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:01,080 Speaker 2: and you opened it up and there's a couple of 628 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:03,760 Speaker 2: weeks worth the pay on there. You're like, yes, and 629 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:07,200 Speaker 2: then the big rib. I used to go to sound 630 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,920 Speaker 2: guy Randy live near me. Yeah, so me and sound 631 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:13,760 Speaker 2: guy Randy would drive up to JP Morgan Mellon Bank, 632 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:15,720 Speaker 2: I think it was Melon Bank of Chase. We would 633 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,360 Speaker 2: drive up to Woodbridge, you know. We would drive up 634 00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 2: to that Woodbridge Bank parking lot and wait there on 635 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,880 Speaker 2: Monday morning for the bank to open up because we 636 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,120 Speaker 2: knew the depositive for the weekend. We're in that account, 637 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:28,040 Speaker 2: and once a whole bunch of us went in and 638 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:30,400 Speaker 2: got our checks by one or two o'clock in the afternoon, 639 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,040 Speaker 2: that account was gonna be no good. So we'd beat 640 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:35,560 Speaker 2: a parking lot at seven thirty eight o'clock in the morning, 641 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:37,320 Speaker 2: waiting for the bank to open at nine so we 642 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:38,840 Speaker 2: can run in there and cast our checks. 643 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:43,400 Speaker 5: Yes, at one hundred and I did that one. 644 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:46,960 Speaker 2: We beat Maloney there a bunch of times. Mahoney came 645 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,080 Speaker 2: like he would call me at two o'clock. No, what 646 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:50,600 Speaker 2: the hell, man, they said, you. 647 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 5: Yeah, I remember, Dawn and I we went there and 648 00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,600 Speaker 5: we were standing there and the ladies like, there's no 649 00:29:58,680 --> 00:29:59,600 Speaker 5: money in this account. 650 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:01,640 Speaker 1: And we just looked into Jo We like, how can 651 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:05,400 Speaker 1: there not be any funds? Like, there's no money in 652 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:08,720 Speaker 1: the account. It's just it's beyond my comprehension. 653 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 2: But it sucks. 654 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:11,200 Speaker 1: It did. 655 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:11,880 Speaker 2: But what do you do? 656 00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:14,600 Speaker 1: Tell the people? What are you doing now with your life? 657 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,880 Speaker 2: I had for the last I retired basically over ten 658 00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,840 Speaker 2: years ago. I've done like a couple of little appearances, 659 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:23,920 Speaker 2: a little couple of things here or there. I might 660 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,680 Speaker 2: do something for Kevin Matthews and his guys next year 661 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:31,320 Speaker 2: in Alaska with Meanie Donnie Bee had a rescheduled show 662 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:33,320 Speaker 2: that was for this year. He's gonna do it next 663 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:36,400 Speaker 2: year in Lacey and New Jersey. And I'll do that 664 00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:39,080 Speaker 2: with Meani And That'll probably be the last physical thing 665 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:43,200 Speaker 2: I ever do. Uh. But I work in conventions. I 666 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:46,000 Speaker 2: do a couple conventions every now and then, But even then, 667 00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:48,560 Speaker 2: like unless Ninie wants to do it or Stevie or 668 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 2: something like that, I really don't want to do them. 669 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,160 Speaker 2: I've been very blessed and very lucky. Like I worked 670 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:57,200 Speaker 2: really hard the last decade in the financial field. I 671 00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,800 Speaker 2: oversee a branch of a financial institution here in Louisville. 672 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:02,880 Speaker 2: I have a great job, great benefits. The company loves me. 673 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,040 Speaker 2: I love the company. They take great care of me. 674 00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:07,880 Speaker 2: So I don't really hustle the convention circuit a whole 675 00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:09,680 Speaker 2: lot and do a whole lot of those because there's 676 00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:10,920 Speaker 2: a lot of people that I worked with who are 677 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,160 Speaker 2: still in the wrestling world who never really got out 678 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,800 Speaker 2: of it. I'd rather than make the money. I honestly 679 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:18,000 Speaker 2: don't care. Like even when it comes to the T 680 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:19,960 Speaker 2: shirts and some other stuff, Kevin asked, Hey, do you 681 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:21,560 Speaker 2: want a PROG wrestling tea store? Do you want to 682 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:22,840 Speaker 2: do this? You want to do that? I'm like, Nah, 683 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:25,240 Speaker 2: let the other boys and girls do it. Man, they're good. 684 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:30,280 Speaker 2: I've been lucky, you know. I just I've been pretty 685 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,880 Speaker 2: wise of my investments. I did pretty good with that. 686 00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:36,120 Speaker 2: But I've always even at the height of whatever you 687 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,600 Speaker 2: want to call my career, even at the I was 688 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:42,520 Speaker 2: always preparing for life after. Like I just never had 689 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,120 Speaker 2: any faith that it was going to be a long 690 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:47,760 Speaker 2: road and there was gonna be a gigantic pot of 691 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:49,320 Speaker 2: gold at the end of it. Because for most people 692 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:52,080 Speaker 2: in the business, there's very few that can lead the 693 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:55,600 Speaker 2: industry and continue to make money by just being themselves, 694 00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:58,600 Speaker 2: Like they have to find something else too, Like Undertaker 695 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:00,720 Speaker 2: is not going to be hurting, But a bunch of 696 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:02,480 Speaker 2: these people who are NXT for a couple of years 697 00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:05,440 Speaker 2: and they get out, Like you can't tell promote or Hey, 698 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:08,800 Speaker 2: I need five hundred dollars in trans because I was 699 00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,440 Speaker 2: NXT on their weekly TV show. It's just not going 700 00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:13,880 Speaker 2: to work. 701 00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:16,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, you've got to find other. 702 00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:17,800 Speaker 2: Things to do. You got to find a reason to 703 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:19,560 Speaker 2: get out of bed in the morning, Like, find something 704 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:21,720 Speaker 2: to put your energy into. And if you've made it 705 00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:25,280 Speaker 2: through the business, and you've learned the lessons from the business, 706 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:27,840 Speaker 2: the hard lessons and the easy lessons. If you learn, 707 00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:31,240 Speaker 2: build up your toolbox with learning how to cut promos, 708 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,160 Speaker 2: learning how to work the gimmick, learning how to read people, 709 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,200 Speaker 2: learning how to read a room of people, learning how 710 00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,920 Speaker 2: to get over, learning how to be charismatic. If you 711 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,479 Speaker 2: learn how to do all how to be confident. If 712 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:44,240 Speaker 2: you learn how to do all of that from wrestling 713 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:46,200 Speaker 2: and you put that in your tool belt, you made 714 00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:49,200 Speaker 2: more than just a paycheck. And people don't always take 715 00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:50,120 Speaker 2: stocking that. 716 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:54,240 Speaker 5: He's a smart guy. I'll put him over right now. 717 00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:58,240 Speaker 5: He's a smart guy. We always talked about life after 718 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,040 Speaker 5: you and I, so I I think we did pretty 719 00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:02,000 Speaker 5: well for ourselves. 720 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, you're married, you got kids, you look great, you 721 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:06,840 Speaker 2: got shit going on. I mean, like, come on, let's 722 00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:08,960 Speaker 2: be honest here, Like we are. That's how many people 723 00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:13,560 Speaker 2: from our error are dead, bankrupt, underground nothing. I mean, 724 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:15,720 Speaker 2: it sucks. It really sucks to talk about it. It does. 725 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,880 Speaker 2: It's terrible and I hate it, but it's I just 726 00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:22,120 Speaker 2: feel like, and I hate when people blame wrestling for it, 727 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:25,760 Speaker 2: because why are we blaming wrestling? Am I am I 728 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,080 Speaker 2: crediting wrestling with my success in life? Yeah? I am, 729 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,680 Speaker 2: And I'm also crediting good decision making, a good upbringing, 730 00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:35,840 Speaker 2: making good choices. So wrestling helped me out a lot, 731 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:37,720 Speaker 2: just like it helped you out, Like you don't meet 732 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:39,160 Speaker 2: your husband if it's not because of're wrestling. 733 00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:47,240 Speaker 5: Yeah right, I feel like, like you said, it's the 734 00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:52,880 Speaker 5: choices that you do make. And for me, we were tempted, 735 00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:55,960 Speaker 5: so to speak. We couldn't need poor choices, but we 736 00:33:56,080 --> 00:34:00,080 Speaker 5: chose not to. So I always thank God that I 737 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,080 Speaker 5: just had the right mindset not to go that certain path, 738 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:06,440 Speaker 5: and the path that I did choose brought me to 739 00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:10,200 Speaker 5: what I have now. So I'm very blessed, as are you. 740 00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:12,640 Speaker 5: You know, we always joke about it, but we are 741 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:16,799 Speaker 5: two of the lucky ones. Yeah, And we have to 742 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:20,640 Speaker 5: give credit where credit is due and credit ourselves because 743 00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:22,360 Speaker 5: we made the choices. 744 00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:26,560 Speaker 2: Are we going to be remembered as ECW Hall of 745 00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:30,120 Speaker 2: Famers or like, oh my god, the greatest workers of what. No, 746 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:32,759 Speaker 2: we're not, But we should be remembered as people who 747 00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:36,160 Speaker 2: always worked hard for the fan, the fans. We loved 748 00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:38,600 Speaker 2: the business, we loved our friends in the business. We 749 00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:40,719 Speaker 2: had a great time, and we made out of it 750 00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:43,080 Speaker 2: one piece. We made a couple of bucks. We made 751 00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:46,160 Speaker 2: success of ourselves outside of it. Look to me as 752 00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:49,799 Speaker 2: as impressive or more impressive than saying, oh my god, 753 00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:51,640 Speaker 2: he was the greatest wrestler of all time, or oh 754 00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:54,480 Speaker 2: my god, he was so great, Like we're good parents, 755 00:34:54,840 --> 00:35:00,520 Speaker 2: you're a good wife. You know I'm single, hit. 756 00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:04,040 Speaker 1: Him up, lad single? Ready to guys? 757 00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:07,880 Speaker 2: Can I say something quickly? So? I mean, I've interviewed 758 00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:09,160 Speaker 2: you a couple of times in the past. 759 00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:12,480 Speaker 3: The last time I saw you was the Pat Bucks 760 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:16,040 Speaker 3: show in New Jersey with Road Warrior Animals, an outdoor show. 761 00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:20,200 Speaker 2: I don't know if you remember that. That was like yeah, yeah, yeah, 762 00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:20,719 Speaker 2: that was great. 763 00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:22,720 Speaker 3: But here's what I'm gonna just say to anybody listening, 764 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,520 Speaker 3: aspiring wrestlers, people who want to get into the business. 765 00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,920 Speaker 3: Anytime Nova does an interview. You should study it and 766 00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,720 Speaker 3: you should listen to every word he says, because he's basically. 767 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:32,280 Speaker 2: Giving you free advice. 768 00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:35,080 Speaker 3: And that's anything I've ever taken from an interview you've 769 00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:36,319 Speaker 3: done or a story. 770 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:37,640 Speaker 2: You've told, is like you literally. 771 00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,200 Speaker 3: Give the beginning, middle, and the end of what like 772 00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,960 Speaker 3: how you should approach getting into the business or staying 773 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:44,799 Speaker 3: in the business. And I love it every time you 774 00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:46,880 Speaker 3: do something, I'm there, I'm right up front. 775 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:51,960 Speaker 2: I started in nineteen ninety two. I literally, over the 776 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:56,840 Speaker 2: course of my career was a trainee, a trainer. I 777 00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,800 Speaker 2: built wrestling rings, I set up wrestling rings. I booked 778 00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:03,600 Speaker 2: show I booked territories, I wrote TV. I was the 779 00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:06,400 Speaker 2: head of a developmental system. I was a talent that 780 00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:09,840 Speaker 2: wrestled for every independent wrestling promotion in the United States. 781 00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:12,160 Speaker 2: I wrestled in fifty countries. I wrestled for all the 782 00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:15,680 Speaker 2: major promotion. I was basically in the ring with almost 783 00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:19,000 Speaker 2: every top fifty superstar the last twenty years. All of 784 00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:21,480 Speaker 2: that and I did it and came out one piece. 785 00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:24,239 Speaker 2: So usually when I talk, I mean i'll talk to people. 786 00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:26,359 Speaker 2: I'll give as much advice as I can, and if 787 00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:28,280 Speaker 2: they don't listen, I'm cool man, I wake up tomorrow 788 00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:30,880 Speaker 2: and can go to work like I don't. I just 789 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:32,799 Speaker 2: tell you what I think I would do, and it's 790 00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:35,240 Speaker 2: usually right. And I hired a lot of good guys 791 00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:41,239 Speaker 2: like I hired Kobie Kingston, Drew McIntyre, Santino Morella. I 792 00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:44,440 Speaker 2: hired a whole host of guys that and I also, 793 00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:47,240 Speaker 2: I still to this day, will talk to a mentor 794 00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:49,520 Speaker 2: a lot of younger guys in the business, some in WBF, 795 00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:53,120 Speaker 2: some and Ring of Honor, some of out Impact, and 796 00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:55,279 Speaker 2: then they'll shoot the shoot one day they'll cont, hey, no, 797 00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:56,680 Speaker 2: but can I run something by it? Because they know 798 00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:59,000 Speaker 2: it's gonna be stayed between us, and I'm giving them. 799 00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:01,880 Speaker 2: When you lead the wrestling bubble, as crazy as it 800 00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,000 Speaker 2: sounds of France, team will one hundred percent know what 801 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:07,480 Speaker 2: I mean. When you leave the wrestling bubble, your mind 802 00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:11,359 Speaker 2: becomes clearer. You look at it differently. You're not as 803 00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:14,880 Speaker 2: so like mine worked by it, where you're you're smarter 804 00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:17,799 Speaker 2: about the business. You're just smart about how things would work, 805 00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,400 Speaker 2: how things would click. You know, my friends in AW 806 00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:21,960 Speaker 2: I tell them all the time. If this was ten 807 00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:23,719 Speaker 2: years ago, I'd be sitting there right next to them 808 00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,720 Speaker 2: as an agent on the show, taking part of something 809 00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:30,280 Speaker 2: at their building because it's awesome, Like Frankie Daniels, De Bucks, 810 00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:32,440 Speaker 2: all those guys Codey, the're killing it and I love it. 811 00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:36,040 Speaker 2: I'm proud of them. But uh, when you step away 812 00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:38,400 Speaker 2: from this and just take a breath for a second, 813 00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:41,560 Speaker 2: you know, if you're a young wrestler out there, don't 814 00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:44,280 Speaker 2: You're gonna get hired, You're gonna get fired, you're gonna 815 00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:47,239 Speaker 2: get pushed, you're gonna sit in catering, You're gonna not 816 00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:49,239 Speaker 2: do anything. You're not gonna have your This is a 817 00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:52,880 Speaker 2: work sport run by the ultimate marks, and all we 818 00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:56,440 Speaker 2: can do is control our look, our attitude, our image, 819 00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:58,839 Speaker 2: our how we show up to the shows, how our 820 00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:01,879 Speaker 2: our attitude is to our opponents. That's it. Nothing else 821 00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:05,160 Speaker 2: you can control, none of it. Get in, don't get hurt, 822 00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:08,120 Speaker 2: make some money, have fun, get out. 823 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:12,120 Speaker 1: And there is life after wrestling. There is life after wrestling. 824 00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:14,920 Speaker 2: Correct. I love my life and I love I love 825 00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:17,759 Speaker 2: traveling the world. We've Francine, we've seen stuff that will 826 00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,920 Speaker 2: never forget, and we've done things will always remember. But 827 00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:23,040 Speaker 2: now a point in my life, what a ten year 828 00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:25,680 Speaker 2: old daughter a great job. I do about one thousand 829 00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:27,920 Speaker 2: hours of community service to work a year. I mean, 830 00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,560 Speaker 2: I'm all over the place in Louisville, and I wouldn't 831 00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:32,799 Speaker 2: trade any of them for anything. I had a great 832 00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:36,799 Speaker 2: time in our careers. But yes, every journey we take 833 00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:38,160 Speaker 2: is prepared as for the next. 834 00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:39,880 Speaker 1: Tie, I have one hundred percent agree. 835 00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:42,160 Speaker 5: I am so glad I finally got you on this 836 00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:45,120 Speaker 5: show because I asked you a while ago and we 837 00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:46,759 Speaker 5: just couldn't find the right time. 838 00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:50,800 Speaker 1: Probably no, you didn't you said anything for you, queen, 839 00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:51,560 Speaker 1: but then I didn't. 840 00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:51,840 Speaker 2: You know. 841 00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:54,319 Speaker 1: Then we kind of did our own thing. But I'm 842 00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:54,960 Speaker 1: glad you did. 843 00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:57,640 Speaker 2: I did you show ten years ago. That's one when 844 00:38:57,680 --> 00:38:58,879 Speaker 2: we did a show for your sister. 845 00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:01,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's when I was Yeah, my sister my dad 846 00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:03,440 Speaker 1: had cast. It's twelve years believe that. 847 00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:05,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, that was one of the last one. That was 848 00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:08,600 Speaker 2: the last time I ever stepped in the arena. And 849 00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:10,839 Speaker 2: when I did it, I said I will never Yep, 850 00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,040 Speaker 2: I said I will never wrest on leac w Arena 851 00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:15,239 Speaker 2: ever again. I never did. Yeah. 852 00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:18,040 Speaker 5: Well, I there might be something that I can talk 853 00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:19,759 Speaker 5: to you off the air later, But there might be 854 00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:22,000 Speaker 5: something that you might be interested in for next year 855 00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:23,359 Speaker 5: that I'm going to keep you in. 856 00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:24,719 Speaker 1: Mind, figure it out for you. 857 00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:25,440 Speaker 2: I'll do anything. 858 00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:27,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, I know. I well, thank you for coming on. 859 00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:31,520 Speaker 1: This was fun. I hope to see you somewhere. I 860 00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:34,920 Speaker 1: don't know. You know, we'll figure it. We'll figure it out. 861 00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:37,520 Speaker 5: But tell your brother and everybody said yeah, tell everybody 862 00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:39,719 Speaker 5: I said, hi, and just keep. 863 00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:41,279 Speaker 2: Tell me who else you want to get on this. 864 00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:43,320 Speaker 2: You want Donnie or some man, the other ones, whatever, 865 00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:45,640 Speaker 2: We'll get you a bunch of guests, whoever you want. 866 00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,800 Speaker 2: We'll get your ratings up. Don't worry. 867 00:39:48,880 --> 00:40:00,719 Speaker 4: I appreciate it, all right, Take care The 868 00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:18,360 Speaker 2: Barbar