1 00:00:01,040 --> 00:00:03,640 Speaker 1: Did I play them like a fiddle? Because I think 2 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:05,640 Speaker 1: he did. I think he crushed. I think him and 3 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:07,360 Speaker 1: his agent crushes with the way they handled this. 4 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 2: I like the way that Ken Rosenthal put it. He 5 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 2: was like, are we experiencing the Winter Meetings in terms 6 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:20,239 Speaker 2: of money being given out right now? Because in the 7 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:23,760 Speaker 2: past week and a half it's extension season. During the 8 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 2: first week and a half of the year, you got 9 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 2: bron Kratz and Prazinski. Today, let's go right to it, though, 10 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 2: I want to do an instant charge of the mound 11 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:34,919 Speaker 2: because our first guest is coming on much sooner due 12 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:37,599 Speaker 2: to time constraints. So let's do this. Let's charge. 13 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:42,879 Speaker 3: Let's charge about. 14 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:46,519 Speaker 2: Fourteen years, five hundred million dollars for Vladimir Gerrera Junior. 15 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 2: It broke late last night, Ken Rosenthal on the story 16 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 2: there is as far as I saw, no deferrals, So 17 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 2: it's just real money. And it's the second most money 18 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 2: ever made by a Major League Baseball player AJ because 19 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 2: Otani has seven hundred but net present in value, it's 20 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 2: more like in the for sixty range. What did you 21 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 2: think of this one? We had talked about numbers like 22 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 2: this for a while. Ken has been on this story 23 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:09,399 Speaker 2: for probably the past two months or so. 24 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 1: What I think about it. I think they played this perfectly. 25 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 1: I think that Glad I've been saying this as soon 26 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:20,960 Speaker 1: as his uh what was it is? His deadline, his 27 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 1: so called deadline came in passed and he's like, look, 28 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 1: all I want is fourteen years and five hundred million, 29 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:28,119 Speaker 1: and he basically put it in the team's lap. And 30 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 1: with Atkins and Shapiro being possibly on the hot seat, 31 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 1: I think that they Wow, Yeah, he played it perfectly 32 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 1: and he got exactly what he wanted. And good for 33 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 1: the Blue Jays fans, good for Vlad Junior, good for 34 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 1: Vlad Junior's agency, but wow, did he play them like 35 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:45,400 Speaker 1: a fiddle? 36 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 4: Good for good for the Blue Jays, good for the 37 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 4: Blue Jays in just the overall sense of this country 38 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 4: following this team. You have a player that you can sell. 39 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 4: He's homegrown, actually Canadian citizen too, being born in Montreal. 40 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 4: Like there's so much that goes behind him. Oh, and 41 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:09,960 Speaker 4: he's a really good player. He's going to be an 42 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 4: MVP candidate for the next eight to ten years during 43 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 4: this contract, and this will draw other people to come 44 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 4: to Toronto to play with Vlad. 45 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:27,079 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good point. I mean, you got to 46 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 2: have somebody that you latch onto, and why not make 47 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 2: it flatty Junior age is a huge factor when it 48 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 2: comes to free agency. Some people are probably looking this 49 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:38,520 Speaker 2: thinking it's crazy, but aj the years stretch out so 50 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 2: that the average annual value doesn't get crazy. It's about 51 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 2: thirty five point seven million dollars per year, and that 52 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:48,240 Speaker 2: enables the Blue Jays, of course, to dance around the 53 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:51,799 Speaker 2: luxury attacks, the soft cap as we like to call 54 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 2: it sometimes even though it's not a real cap. But 55 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 2: for the Blue Jays, they might go through some rough 56 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 2: times coming up. Their farm system is not rated well. 57 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 2: They might not have a good year this year, coming 58 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:07,519 Speaker 2: off a bad year last year. There's going to be 59 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 2: money off the books that could include Bobachhett unless they 60 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 2: plan on signing him to an extension as well. It 61 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 2: is really helpful to be able to bridge the gap 62 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 2: from pretty good contention years to the next one with 63 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 2: Laddie Junior. 64 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 1: Agreed. But here's the thing is again, they had to 65 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:29,520 Speaker 1: sign him. They had to. They absolutely, Ross Atkins and 66 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:32,360 Speaker 1: Shapiro had to sign Vladdi Junior. And he knew it 67 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 1: and that goes back to that, Yes, their farm system 68 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 1: might not be great. Yes, he's might ridge the gap 69 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 1: to the next thing, but he's gonna have to play 70 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 1: through some lean years. But he knew that the Blue 71 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 1: Jays organization had to sign him and could not let 72 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 1: him hit free agency. So, like I said, he did 73 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 1: this perfectly. Oh there's a there's a deadline, and I 74 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 1: won't sign passed. Well, he signed passed that deadline when 75 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 1: the numbers got to what he wanted. And as soon 76 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 1: as he came out and said, well here's what I want. 77 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 1: I won five hundred million. I can get more nut 78 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 1: on the free agent market. Fourteen years. I could probably 79 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 1: get that more than that on the free jamarket. The 80 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 1: Blue Jays were like, hmm, fourteen years, five hundred how 81 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 1: about this one. He's like done, take it, thank you, 82 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 1: check check. So, yeah, there are some things he's gonna 83 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 1: have to play through. Yes, players might want to come 84 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 1: play with him, but listen Flatt junior, and you know 85 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 1: he's a Canadian born hero. So the Blue Jays finally 86 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 1: got their Canadian born star long term. 87 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, and for some people that answered back to us 88 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:21,280 Speaker 2: last time we talked about this topic before, he signed 89 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:23,479 Speaker 2: maybe a week and a half two weeks ago, and said, oh, 90 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 2: he's not He's not a marketing draw. Sure, you might 91 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 2: not get the same marketing dollars and crazy company deals 92 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 2: that you would with shohe Otani and the Dodgers. Nobody's 93 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:37,839 Speaker 2: touching that. He definitely is a draw. You're a casual 94 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 2: fan in Toronto in twenty twenty seven and they're not good, 95 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:43,360 Speaker 2: they will still go because they want to go see 96 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 2: Vladdie Junior. He will put butts in seats. He is 97 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:48,360 Speaker 2: going to be, you know, Canada's son of baseball for 98 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:51,040 Speaker 2: a long time. Now, let's bring in Chaida Beati, Sportsnet 99 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:53,920 Speaker 2: reporter on the scene with this as well. Hi, great 100 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 2: to talk to you. Thanks for the time. What did 101 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:58,239 Speaker 2: you think when you saw a break and finally happen 102 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:00,839 Speaker 2: and the blue Jays get there, big, big, big player 103 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 2: that they've homegrown to stay here for the rest of 104 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 2: his career. 105 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:08,599 Speaker 5: Well a long time coming, and I agree with a 106 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 5: lot of the points that you guys made that this 107 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 5: was going to be a foundational type of deal for 108 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:19,360 Speaker 5: the Blue Jays and if this didn't happen, given what's 109 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 5: happening with their expiring core and everything that's coming up, 110 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 5: the gap that they have in their farm system between 111 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 5: the next potential carrying type player first rounder from a 112 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:32,479 Speaker 5: couple of years ago, guy named Argie Namala, he was 113 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 5: they were going to be in pretty bleak times and 114 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:40,279 Speaker 5: they've we've seen them have trouble attracting elite free agents. 115 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 3: They've certainly gotten a lot of them. 116 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:45,719 Speaker 5: And I think that narrative is a little bit exaggerated. 117 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 5: But how were you going to get another player like 118 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 5: Vladimir Guerrero Junior or like a Bobashett if you don't 119 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 5: sign your own guys? 120 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:56,280 Speaker 3: And so I think that this has gone. 121 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 5: Through a lot of twists and turns. This has not 122 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 5: been an easy process for either site. But them ending 123 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 5: up at this point was the place where it was 124 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 5: most logical because this is what vladimirka Errol Junior wanted, 125 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:11,599 Speaker 5: this is what the Blue Jays needed, and ultimately was 126 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 5: just about how do they find that path to one another? 127 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 4: Do we know who was kind of in a way, 128 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 4: do you know if ownership was in the way of 129 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:22,719 Speaker 4: getting this done sooner or if this was like Ross 130 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 4: Atkins said earlier, well the value is there. We might 131 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 4: have to go over what we value him as well. 132 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 5: I think there are a few ways to look at that. 133 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 5: First off, this is not happening without full ownership support, right, 134 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:39,720 Speaker 5: No executive is committing half a billion dollars to somebody 135 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 5: without the ownership really driving the bus on it. And 136 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:45,840 Speaker 5: I do think that was key here that there was 137 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:49,040 Speaker 5: ownership involvement to help push it across the finish line. 138 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:51,159 Speaker 5: But you know, you can look at this and say, 139 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 5: were the Blue Jays just playing this out waiting to 140 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:57,479 Speaker 5: see is not really going to hold on that line? 141 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 5: Is he really committed to that? But I think Vladimirgerre 142 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:05,040 Speaker 5: Junior understood his situation where you know, he he understood 143 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:08,599 Speaker 5: that the Blue Jays to some degree needed him in 144 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 5: a way that he didn't necessarily need them. He wanted them, 145 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 5: but he didn't necessarily need them quite in the way 146 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 5: they needed him, and he could hold true to the 147 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 5: number that he felt was important to him, which was 148 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 5: not that which was that five hundred million. 149 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 3: So I think if you're a. 150 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 5: Team and you've got the time, you're going to say, well, 151 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 5: let's see if the player really hold true or will 152 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 5: he take four? 153 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 3: Will he take four to twenty five? 154 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 5: Will he take four fifty and a certain point you realize, Okay, 155 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 5: the player's not budgeting. 156 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 3: Are we doing this? Yes or no? 157 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 5: And at that point the Blue Jays made the decision, 158 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 5: Yes we have to do this, and here we are. 159 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 2: Aj. It is time for people to get some new clubs, 160 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 2: and to do that they need to go to their 161 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 2: local PXG for a fitting. 162 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 1: Right, no doubt. 163 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 4: I was there today, I've been there before. 164 00:07:56,640 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 1: Last time I was there, they gave me this killer 165 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 1: gaph'd you look at that sweet spot's got it has 166 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 1: worn out. That is right in the sweet spot right there. 167 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 1: So I went and got new clubs today, new irons. 168 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 1: But more importantly, I got this bad boy. I got 169 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 1: me a new putter. This is my old putter. It's 170 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 1: on order. Yes, that's my putter cover PXG Mustang putter. 171 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 1: Now I'm going to the Allen putter. They talked me 172 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 1: into it because I was draining some putts today. Bob, 173 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 1: the guy who helped me out, he helped me with 174 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 1: my irons. He got them teed up perfectly. But then 175 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 1: we went to the putt and green. I was draining 176 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 1: them putts because that's the most important part of golf. 177 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 2: PXG fittings are fun. Schedule you're fitting today as you 178 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 2: can hear from AJ For a limited time, you could 179 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 2: save up to twenty percent on your entire order. Head 180 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 2: over to pxg dot com slash foul that's pxg dot 181 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 2: com slash foul to save up to twenty percent on 182 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:44,959 Speaker 2: your entire order. Pxg dot com slash foul. Restrictions apply 183 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 2: see site for details. 184 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:49,719 Speaker 1: Sure, I mean he laid it out for him. He 185 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:51,439 Speaker 1: laid it out for him perfect. He's like, oh, five 186 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 1: hundred million, fourteen, oh perfect, That's what they ended up. 187 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 1: So there was no was he gonna take for twenty five. 188 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 1: But what I want to know is what's the what's 189 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 1: the blue jayfan reaction to this? Because this is a 190 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 1: big deal for the blue Jay fan and there's a 191 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:06,080 Speaker 1: ton of Blue Jays fan not only in Toronto but 192 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 1: all of Canada. What's their reaction? Is this a celebration of, Hey, 193 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 1: we finally locked up our guy that we've been talking 194 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 1: about for years now. 195 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:17,079 Speaker 5: Well, I've been on the road in New York over 196 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 5: the weekend in Boston, so I've only seen what's on 197 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 5: social media and through people in my own personal network. 198 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:27,079 Speaker 5: But I got a lot of very excited texts and 199 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 5: tweet messages over the past day and a half. 200 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:33,560 Speaker 3: And look, I think fans are smart. 201 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 5: They understood where the Blue Jays are in this cycle, 202 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:38,080 Speaker 5: and what's at stake for them this season, and where 203 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:41,560 Speaker 5: things are at, and that there isn't another Vladimir Guerrero 204 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 5: Junior imminently set to arrive in the farm system. 205 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 3: You know. 206 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:47,840 Speaker 5: I think if you look back to the Donaldson, Batista 207 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 5: and Carnacion era, you know, towards the latter part of that, 208 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:54,319 Speaker 5: the Blue Jays had Guerrero and Bishett coming, and people 209 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 5: understood that those two guys were going to be pretty 210 00:09:56,240 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 5: special players, and so there was a future to cast 211 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 5: forward to, whereas now, you know, Namala's emerged a little bit, 212 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:08,440 Speaker 5: but there isn't that same future that you can cling 213 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 5: to in the farm system and say, Okay, we just 214 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:13,080 Speaker 5: have to get to these guys. And I think that 215 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 5: added to a lot of the anxiety and the angst 216 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:19,479 Speaker 5: around this club. I mean, you think about this competitive 217 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:22,079 Speaker 5: window that they had, you know, in going into the 218 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 5: twenty one season, you could have made the case that 219 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 5: the Blue Jays were situated about as well as any 220 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 5: club in baseball with a you know, several top one 221 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 5: hundred prospects, a good farm system and a young core stretch, 222 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:36,720 Speaker 5: you know, ready to take the step to the next level. 223 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:40,960 Speaker 5: And then they've got zero playoff wins to show for that. 224 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 5: And I think that you factor that in, you factor 225 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:47,960 Speaker 5: in where the farm system is and the fact that 226 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:52,200 Speaker 5: the core is expiring, and it was there's been just 227 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 5: a tremendous feeling of this, oh no, what's next? And 228 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 5: I don't think that is I think that's gone to 229 00:10:57,800 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 5: a certain degree. There are obviously a lot of challenges. 230 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 5: This Bluegi's team isn't, by any stretch of imagination, out 231 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:06,839 Speaker 5: of the woods, but you can actually see a pathway 232 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:09,319 Speaker 5: to maintaining a competitive window right now. 233 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 3: Where before this extension that was very much in question. 234 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 4: What you talked about nineteen was Cavvisio, you have Bobaschet, 235 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:19,680 Speaker 4: you have Vlad all coming up together. Is there a 236 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:23,559 Speaker 4: chance that they could get Bo on an extension because 237 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:26,960 Speaker 4: he would be coming off his worst year of his 238 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:29,320 Speaker 4: career and they could get it on the cheap and 239 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:32,199 Speaker 4: they could say, hey, you two could stay together forever. 240 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:36,840 Speaker 4: Here's extra money. Then you have some guarantee instead of 241 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:39,440 Speaker 4: leaning on this platform year, that's his free agent year. 242 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 3: Well, look, this is what I can tell you. 243 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 5: When I had a conversation with Bobachet last September, he 244 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 5: made it pretty clear that he wants to play his 245 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 5: entire career with Vladimir Guerrero Junior. He wants to win 246 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 5: a championship with him, and he wants to do that 247 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 5: in Toronto. Well, now half of that is in place, 248 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 5: and so that possibilities very much in play. And I 249 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 5: think if you're the Blue Jays, you're not just doing 250 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 5: this and being like, Okay, we'll just figure the rest out. 251 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 5: You're going to have to build around him, because you 252 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 5: don't spend this money if you're not going to leverage it. 253 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 3: And so. 254 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 5: Does that mean that the Bluejays are going to imminently 255 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 5: sign Bischett. I don't don't think that's necessarily the case. 256 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:28,080 Speaker 5: If I'm in Bo Baschett's camp, I probably want to 257 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:31,520 Speaker 5: wait a little bit, let him show not just to 258 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 5: the Blue Jays but to the rest of baseball that 259 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 5: he is very much the player he's been throughout his 260 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:36,719 Speaker 5: entire career. 261 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 3: And then proceed from there, you know. 262 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 5: But I also think that the number one thing for 263 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:45,439 Speaker 5: Bishett would be to see that there is a pathway 264 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:49,960 Speaker 5: to being a competitive team moving forward, and again with 265 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 5: Guerrero locked into place, that pathway is there now. So 266 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:57,960 Speaker 5: to me an extension is the main ingredients that you 267 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 5: needed to start this extension conversation are now in place 268 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 5: and the Bluejays have a more realistic chance of doing 269 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 5: that right now. 270 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:09,559 Speaker 1: Well, then I got to ask what's their pathway to success? 271 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:12,079 Speaker 1: You mentioned their farm systems down, Yes they have themala, 272 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 1: but with Lad sign their pitchers are aging and expiring. 273 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 1: George Springer is aging. I know they signed Kirk, but 274 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 1: what's their path to success? Do they have to go 275 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 1: out and spend money? And the one thing about the 276 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 1: Blue Jays you already mentioned is they're going to have 277 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 1: to overpay to get people. Yeah, it's nice, Oh we 278 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 1: have Lad signed up for fourteen years. That's attractive, But 279 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 1: what's the pathway and how do they get free agents 280 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:34,359 Speaker 1: to come here without overpaying? 281 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:38,600 Speaker 5: Well, look, to some degree, every team has to overpay, 282 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 5: right unless you're in a very specific case where a 283 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 5: player very much wants to go to a specific spot, 284 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 5: you have to be high bid and so it's the 285 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 5: degree of overpay. But I think when the Blue Jays, 286 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:56,840 Speaker 5: and you look at this historically, it holds up. When 287 00:13:56,880 --> 00:13:59,559 Speaker 5: the Bluejays are a competitive team, they can get guys. 288 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 5: And whether you go back to the World Series years, 289 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:04,680 Speaker 5: when you go back to the push that they tried 290 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 5: to make in the early two thousand or mid two 291 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:10,679 Speaker 5: thousands of the first decade, some of the period that 292 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 5: they had during their you know, fifteen sixteen Batista and 293 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 5: Carnassio and Donaldson era and more recently with Springer and 294 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 5: Gosman and Bassett, Marcus Simon and others. 295 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 3: They can get guys. That's not the problem. 296 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 5: I think that they've got a significant amount of money 297 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 5: coming off the books this offseason that can be reallocated. 298 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 5: They are going to need some of their young players 299 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 5: to emerge. And you know, their farm system looks to 300 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 5: some degree the way that it does right now because 301 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 5: they had eight pitchers have Tommy don surgery a year ago. 302 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 5: But you know, Alec Minoa could be back by later 303 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 5: in the summer, and so that gives you if he's 304 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 5: back to who he is, a young piece for the 305 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 5: rotation that you can slot back in. Ricky Tiedeman is 306 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 5: one of their top pitching prospects. He's going to be 307 00:14:58,280 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 5: coming back from Tommy John and he can be a 308 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 5: fant perhaps as soon as next year. So the situation 309 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 5: while tough, they do need some pieces to fall away, 310 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 5: but it's not necessarily as bleak as it looked a 311 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:14,040 Speaker 5: year ago. You know Jake bloss who they picked up 312 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 5: in the Yusai Kakuchi deal last year, that could be 313 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 5: another piece for them moving forward. Certainly there's some big 314 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 5: upside there after he got to the major leagues very 315 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 5: quickly a year ago. So they do have a pathway. 316 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 5: They are going to have to spend more. They are 317 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 5: going to have to be better in terms of their 318 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 5: player development and drafting. 319 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 3: They've made some. 320 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 5: Changes on both those ends coming into this year that 321 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 5: they are hopeful will help them. 322 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 3: And then, look, you spend money, you have money. 323 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 5: You know players are always going to there are always 324 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 5: going to be players that need to take their money 325 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 5: and so make make some good decisions and you can 326 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 5: stay right in the mix. 327 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:55,720 Speaker 4: Well, this front office see another year. Is this a 328 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:59,479 Speaker 4: move that got the job done to secure the elusive 329 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 4: five more years for the next rebuild of every GM 330 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 4: states when they get their job. 331 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 5: I think that's the question on everybody's mind right now. 332 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:11,640 Speaker 5: And look, I think one of the things that you 333 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 5: have to give this front office credit for is that 334 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 5: they've run the business in a way that they've gotten 335 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 5: enough confidence from ownership to push their payroll to, you know, 336 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:26,880 Speaker 5: pass to the second CBT threshold. And that's a place that, 337 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 5: especially with some of the currency challenges that currently exist 338 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 5: for the Blue Jays, not a lot of people would 339 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 5: have believed that they'd be here even just three four 340 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:39,840 Speaker 5: years ago. So that that's telling you that they have 341 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 5: some degree of trust from ownership. Ultimately, you know, results 342 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 5: have to matter, and I think that that will be 343 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 5: definitely factored into what's ahead. You know, Mark Shapiro is 344 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 5: on an expiring contract at the end of the season. 345 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:56,760 Speaker 5: Ross Atkins's contract runs through the end of twenty twenty six, 346 00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 5: and this season in a lot of ways, could turn 347 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 5: into a bit of a referendum on their leadership, and 348 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 5: so getting Guerrero in place should certainly help them. But ultimately, 349 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:13,520 Speaker 5: if this season goes awry, after twenty twenty four went awrye, 350 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 5: there are going to be some very significant questions that 351 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:18,439 Speaker 5: they're going to have to address in terms of their stewardship. 352 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 1: Sure, I got asked. It's just because you're in Canada 353 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:24,200 Speaker 1: and you talked about currency. Does the CBT for Toronto 354 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 1: is that in Canadian dollars or is it an American dollars. 355 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 1: It's a difference, So you know, it was one of 356 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 1: the other big differences. 357 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:34,920 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, you know, I don't think the Commissioner's office 358 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 5: wants our monopoly money. 359 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 3: They want the stuff that you guys use. 360 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:44,239 Speaker 5: So look, it's it's been tough and the currency has 361 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:47,359 Speaker 5: taken a tremendous beating, and you know, as much hedging 362 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:49,920 Speaker 5: as you can do in terms of you know, year 363 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:53,400 Speaker 5: long buys and things of that nature, right now, it's 364 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:58,480 Speaker 5: you're pushing towards, you know, something on each dollar that 365 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 5: you're spending and the amount of you know, collective revenue 366 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:05,399 Speaker 5: that comes in that gets distributed to all thirty clubs, 367 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:09,320 Speaker 5: that really helps. But you know something in the neighborhood 368 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 5: of two thirds of the Blue Jays revenues and Canadian 369 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 5: dollars and most of their expenses are an American and 370 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 5: so that takes that takes a big chunk, and you know, 371 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:21,879 Speaker 5: to some degree, reduces some of their spending power. 372 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 1: Got it. Got it all right. So then I got 373 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:28,400 Speaker 1: asked this is or not is did I play them 374 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 1: like a fiddle? Because I think he did. I think 375 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:32,359 Speaker 1: he crushes. I think him and his agent crushes with 376 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:34,680 Speaker 1: the way they handle this member soft deadline. I won't 377 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 1: I won't sign after this soft deadline. Whatever he said, 378 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:39,879 Speaker 1: it was a hard deadline, right, And then Atkins and 379 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 1: Shapiro said, oh, he's not well worth what we think 380 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:43,200 Speaker 1: he worth. And He's like, well, I'm worth at least 381 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 1: five hundred and I'm worth at least fourteen years and 382 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:47,119 Speaker 1: I'll get more than that on the open market. And 383 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:49,200 Speaker 1: then bam, guess where he ended up fourteen years, five 384 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 1: hundred million. And to me, what Eric asked you with about, 385 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 1: you know, Shapiro and Atkins is their unexpiring contracts. They 386 00:18:56,280 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 1: had to get this done because they didn't want to 387 00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:00,359 Speaker 1: be the GM and the president that said we go 388 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:02,359 Speaker 1: to ownership and say we lost Lad, but we deserve 389 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:04,640 Speaker 1: more time, right, so they had to get this done. 390 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 1: I think Vlad played them like a fiddle. And from 391 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:09,960 Speaker 1: a pr standpoint, Flad used the fans. He used his 392 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:12,720 Speaker 1: you know, his cache as you know, a Canadian born 393 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 1: baseball player and his dad and everything that he had 394 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:18,119 Speaker 1: lined up. He used it all perfectly and got a 395 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:19,160 Speaker 1: great deal for himself. 396 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I don't disagree with that. 397 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:24,399 Speaker 5: And I actually think one of the more remarkable pieces 398 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:27,840 Speaker 5: of this is that for guys who don't go to 399 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:31,080 Speaker 5: the open market, it's hard to really max out. And 400 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:33,880 Speaker 5: you know, maybe Guerrero on the open market does better 401 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 5: than five, but he pretty close to maxed out. You know, 402 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:40,359 Speaker 5: you get the second biggest contract in net present value 403 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:44,240 Speaker 5: in baseball history and you don't need twenty nine other 404 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:47,840 Speaker 5: clubs to factor in. That's a that's a good piece 405 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 5: of work. So I think there's a degree of yes, 406 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:55,320 Speaker 5: Vlad played this well. The circumstances also aligned really well 407 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 5: for him to some extent. And then I think the 408 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 5: other element is, you know, the Blue Jays, you know, 409 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 5: part of this may be the way they approached it too, 410 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:07,159 Speaker 5: where they're like, let's let's test them. You know, you 411 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:10,720 Speaker 5: don't know, I mean, how many guys would have the 412 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 5: conviction to say, turn down four hundred million or four 413 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 5: to twenty five or four fifty and then go into 414 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:19,120 Speaker 5: a season and take your chances. I mean, that's you've 415 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:21,920 Speaker 5: got to have some pretty big, pretty big stones to 416 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 5: take that on. And I think if you're if you're 417 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:29,200 Speaker 5: a team, why not press the player and see if 418 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 5: he does actually have that conviction. 419 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 3: Is he really willing to. 420 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:36,480 Speaker 5: Risk you know, four hundred for one hundred million more? 421 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:37,120 Speaker 1: Right? 422 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:39,439 Speaker 3: And and then at the other. 423 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 5: Pieces, I think, look, especially with the fact that they're 424 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 5: under expiring contracts. But you know, when you're talking about 425 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:48,720 Speaker 5: a deal that's a decade and a half, it's half 426 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:54,159 Speaker 5: a billion dollars. Nobody is doing this without ownership driving 427 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:56,879 Speaker 5: the bus, like, you have to have ownership one hundred 428 00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:57,639 Speaker 5: percent behind this. 429 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:00,240 Speaker 3: So as much as I to. 430 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:03,160 Speaker 5: Some degree, you know, and I've seen people kind of arguing, oh, 431 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:06,200 Speaker 5: this was sort of a desperation moved by the by 432 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 5: the front office to try and save jobs. You know, nobody, 433 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:16,120 Speaker 5: no owner is giving out that kind of contract to 434 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 5: to uh are allowing that to happen under those circumstances. 435 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:21,959 Speaker 5: This is something that would be deeply considered multiple levels, 436 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:25,160 Speaker 5: because you know, even if things go well, the likelihood 437 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 5: is that. 438 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:28,680 Speaker 3: This contract outlives this front office. 439 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:30,960 Speaker 1: Suh before we let you go. I have to ask 440 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 1: the timing of this was strange to me because you know, 441 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 1: Canada's favorite son, Wayne Gretzky, lost his goal scoring record 442 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:41,160 Speaker 1: yesterday and then the Blue Jays sign announced its extension 443 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:43,479 Speaker 1: right after that. Was there was that timing on purpose? 444 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 1: And how does Canada feel about them no longer having 445 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:46,919 Speaker 1: the goalscoring record? 446 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:50,440 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean you got to steal Ovechkin's thunder, right, 447 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:53,640 Speaker 5: like you can't have that moment and take the spotlight now. 448 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 5: I you know, there's a lot of excitement around it 449 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:01,200 Speaker 5: because this is one of those records that everybody felt 450 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 5: was probably going to stand the test of time and 451 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:08,159 Speaker 5: it didn't really last as long as you might have 452 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 5: expected it to. 453 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:12,640 Speaker 3: So I think there's a lot of excitement around that. 454 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:15,679 Speaker 5: But I think from a timing perspective, you know, all 455 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 5: kidding aside, you know, to me, this is definitely something 456 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:23,200 Speaker 5: that ideally is done as spring training, and I think 457 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 5: you can make the case. Look the Blue Jays, they 458 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 5: probably could have gotten this done for less money if 459 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:31,840 Speaker 5: they did this in October. And you know, and you know, 460 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 5: I don't want to be like second guest guy because 461 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 5: I was writing about this back last summer that when 462 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 5: you're thinking about order of operations, you know, extend trying 463 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 5: to extend Vladimir Guerrero Junior in October and then going 464 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:47,399 Speaker 5: to the free agent market with him in tow and saying, Okay, 465 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:49,200 Speaker 5: this is what we are, this is what we got 466 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 5: going on, this is how we're moving forward, would have 467 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 5: been way better than doing it this way, where you're like, hey, 468 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:57,240 Speaker 5: come here, come help us try to rebuild after a 469 00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:00,159 Speaker 5: terrible season, and yeah, we'll figure out vlad and you 470 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 5: bow down the road. So I think from an order 471 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:07,280 Speaker 5: of operation standpoint, you know, this could have been done 472 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:10,160 Speaker 5: in October. This could have done been done before camp 473 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 5: or right at the beginning of camp. And you change 474 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 5: a lot of conversations, you change a lot of feeling. 475 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 3: You change a lot of narrative by doing that. 476 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:20,840 Speaker 5: It's important that they've gotten it done now, better better 477 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:24,840 Speaker 5: now than ever, but earlier better than later as well. 478 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:25,960 Speaker 2: Shh. 479 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:27,800 Speaker 4: I don't want Blue Jays fans to think that we 480 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:32,400 Speaker 4: don't know hockey. Wayne is light years above everybody else 481 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 4: on points. But he did give up the goal. But 482 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 4: I get a Vechkin got him on goals, but light 483 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:41,199 Speaker 4: years on points, which is goals and assists. For everybody 484 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 4: who doesn't follow hockey on the FT network. 485 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:48,600 Speaker 5: Here look at that Cratzy. You're showing that you definitely 486 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:50,719 Speaker 5: made the most of your time up north and that 487 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:52,040 Speaker 5: you recognized right. 488 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:55,439 Speaker 1: So good there, listen, don't don't don't let credits, will you. 489 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 1: I know Wayne and I talked to Wayne about this 490 00:23:57,960 --> 00:23:59,440 Speaker 1: a few weeks ago and I said, Wayne, oh, he's 491 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:01,200 Speaker 1: going to get you. He's like, you know what, I'm 492 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:03,399 Speaker 1: happy for him. He's like, I got the points record. 493 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 1: I don't think anyone's touching that, but he said, records 494 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 1: are made to be broken. I'm gonna be there and 495 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:09,520 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be supportive for him. And you know what, 496 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:11,440 Speaker 1: I give Wayne credit. He was there and he stood 497 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 1: up and he showed up. And good for Wayne and 498 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:16,840 Speaker 1: getting brought him some attention, and awesome for Ovechkin. I mean, 499 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:18,880 Speaker 1: I don't know that good, but he seems like an animal. 500 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:23,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's uh, it's pretty incredible. 501 00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:28,200 Speaker 5: And yeah, you're right, like Gretzky, the total game and 502 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 5: the way that he produced during that era, it was 503 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:32,240 Speaker 5: just just been out of some of those point tolls. 504 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 5: And even like the single season ninety two in one season, 505 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 5: I'm not sure anyone's getting near that one. 506 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 2: I mean, for me, the reason that you know Ovi's 507 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:44,680 Speaker 2: no Wayne is Wayne's friends with Ajobie's not, so he's 508 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:52,399 Speaker 2: got work. It is true, Shy, this is awesome. I 509 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:54,880 Speaker 2: could not agree with you more on the October part too, 510 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 2: that they should have gotten that done earlier. But whatever 511 00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 2: it's done now they move on. Thank you so much 512 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:01,640 Speaker 2: for hopping on quick. Great job reporting on the story too. 513 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:04,160 Speaker 2: You can follow Shy at s. I'd be on Twitter, 514 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 2: catch them on sports Net. Thank you, Shy. 515 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 3: Get catching up those all those guys. Be well. 516 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:21,359 Speaker 2: Dodgers not going undefeated on the year. Sorry, Dodger fans. 517 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:23,600 Speaker 2: You don't even have the best record in baseball anymore. 518 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:25,879 Speaker 2: That belongs to the San Francisco Giants. We'll get to 519 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,440 Speaker 2: them in a moment. But the heavyweight matchup this weekend 520 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:31,080 Speaker 2: was the Phillies, who are now seven and two, taking 521 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 2: two out of three against the now nine and two Dodgers. AJ, 522 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,240 Speaker 2: you were there, what did you see? Well? 523 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:39,280 Speaker 1: First of all, John Middleton came on the Phillies show 524 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 1: and said, we owned the Dodgers last year. If you 525 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:42,879 Speaker 1: look at the numbers, I think they took five or 526 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,639 Speaker 1: six and outscored him like thirty seven to sixteen or 527 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:49,760 Speaker 1: something crazy. So the Phillies did own the Dodgers last year. 528 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 1: They didn't play in the playoffs, obviously because the Phillies 529 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,520 Speaker 1: got knocked out by the Mets. But I think the 530 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:58,000 Speaker 1: Phillies matchup well with the Dodgers because of their starting 531 00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:00,240 Speaker 1: pitching and because their lineup can match up well with 532 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:03,879 Speaker 1: him now the Dodgers through glass now, Yamamoto and Sazaki. 533 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:06,720 Speaker 1: JT threw out two guys in the eighth and the 534 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:08,520 Speaker 1: ninth to end the game. That one I wasn't so 535 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:10,399 Speaker 1: sure about. It looked like he might have touched his jersey. 536 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,440 Speaker 1: But from this angle, like maybe touched the jersey. I'm 537 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:14,920 Speaker 1: not exactly sure if it was him or the win, 538 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:16,800 Speaker 1: but they called him out. But JT the best throwing 539 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 1: catcher in baseball, not even close. Listen, I'll say this, 540 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 1: The Friday night game was a great game. The Saturday 541 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:25,119 Speaker 1: game was a really good game. The Phillies just couldn't 542 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:27,159 Speaker 1: get a hit with runners of score, position and Cratsey. 543 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:28,840 Speaker 1: How about this for your guy, Alec Boham. That day 544 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:33,080 Speaker 1: on Saturday, he had four bats, he saw five pitches, 545 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:35,359 Speaker 1: and he made five outs, and the Phillies had a 546 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:37,359 Speaker 1: three pitch inning in the ninth off Tanner Scott with 547 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 1: a hit. Figure that one out. I don't know that 548 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:41,439 Speaker 1: I've ever seen that before in baseball and Major League baseball, 549 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 1: especially in the ninth inning. But an interesting game. Sazaki 550 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:46,720 Speaker 1: made some steps. Talked to Dave Roberts for the game. 551 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,400 Speaker 1: He's like, we just need to see this dude move forward. 552 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 1: He threw some splits for strike especially in the first inning. 553 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:55,160 Speaker 1: He gave up two singles Schwerber turners first and third, 554 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 1: punched out Harper and he threw him splits for strikes 555 00:26:57,560 --> 00:26:59,800 Speaker 1: and that changed the hold of bat for Harper. He 556 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:01,919 Speaker 1: gave up a run, but then he was able. I mean, 557 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 1: I know, four innings, but listen, the walks were down, 558 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:06,359 Speaker 1: the stuff was there. Why this dude doesn't throw a 559 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,359 Speaker 1: slider though, I cannot figure out. So I don't know 560 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:11,719 Speaker 1: that was a good step for the Dodgers scene. But 561 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:15,280 Speaker 1: the Dodger bullpen is filthy good. The Phillies are really good, 562 00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:16,919 Speaker 1: and these two were probably going to be in it 563 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,479 Speaker 1: at the end. So just because the Phillies took two 564 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 1: out of three, don't expect it much anything less because 565 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,400 Speaker 1: these two teams are really good and really. 566 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:29,080 Speaker 4: Confident and both teams can't hit starting pitching. It's unbelievable. 567 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,400 Speaker 4: You're like, what, how is this possible? Like even when 568 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 4: the Phillies got to glass now with a lot of walks, 569 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,639 Speaker 4: you know, it's cold blowing on his hand. What I 570 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:41,200 Speaker 4: loved about this series when two teams match up like this, 571 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:44,320 Speaker 4: sometimes you can look at it and go, well, that 572 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:46,359 Speaker 4: would have never happened in the playoffs. They would have 573 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,480 Speaker 4: never brought so and so in the game. They would 574 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:53,200 Speaker 4: have never had this guy hitting like these guys were 575 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,119 Speaker 4: these they had? They put the best out there. Did 576 00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:59,919 Speaker 4: Wheeler go No, I get it. But the bullpen guys, 577 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:04,440 Speaker 4: they pushed them hard. I know Romano didn't do great 578 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:06,480 Speaker 4: and he's kind of been struggling a little bit, but 579 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,399 Speaker 4: you sit there and you go. This was back and forth. 580 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 4: These are two teams that know how to take advantage 581 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:16,919 Speaker 4: of situations. Pajes did what he did in the outfield, 582 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:19,679 Speaker 4: the Phillies were able to take advantage of it, and 583 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,600 Speaker 4: it was back and forth, back and forth. Had they played, 584 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,200 Speaker 4: had they played ten games, it probably would have been 585 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:28,280 Speaker 4: five and five. It could easily have been the Dodgers 586 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:31,439 Speaker 4: winning two and the Phillies winning one. Like This is 587 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:35,040 Speaker 4: the type of matchup that kind of disappointed we get 588 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,360 Speaker 4: it in April, kind of want to see it in August. 589 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:39,560 Speaker 4: So it's like a preview of what these teams are 590 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 4: gonna be. But man, they're both hitting on all cylinders 591 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:46,840 Speaker 4: and they had some crappy weather to play through too, 592 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,680 Speaker 4: So credit to the Dodgers for coming out of nice 593 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:51,640 Speaker 4: weather to go play a net. 594 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:57,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, they both are pretty close to full strength right now. 595 00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,160 Speaker 2: Obviously when you meet up at the end of the season, 596 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 2: usually have some players banged up. Oh, Tony will get 597 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 2: to that's a separate case. Wheeler, by the way, is 598 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 2: by far the number one starter on the Phillies. You 599 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,520 Speaker 2: didn't pitch in this series, so to me, that gives 600 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:11,720 Speaker 2: even another point to Philly. 601 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:17,320 Speaker 1: Lozardo was philled fee I mean, he. 602 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:19,240 Speaker 2: Talked about out two hits eight case. 603 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 1: He talked to the Dodgers about what they saw from him. 604 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:25,160 Speaker 1: They're like, wow, that was impressive. It was impressive. Rob 605 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,960 Speaker 1: Thompson was super pumped about it, and if they can 606 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:29,880 Speaker 1: keep him healthy. By the way, so I saw him 607 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,720 Speaker 1: for the first time in person. I'd never met him 608 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:36,400 Speaker 1: in person. He is Jack by the way, like Jacked 609 00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:37,880 Speaker 1: that's Scott Jack but close. 610 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a weight room guy. Well, we know, we 611 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:42,640 Speaker 2: talk about this all the time. There's some pictures that 612 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:47,800 Speaker 2: are like no upper body craziness, and then some are like, Chapman, 613 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:50,440 Speaker 2: I'm gonna do whatever I want to do to be 614 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 2: feeling as freaking jacked as possible, and that's going to 615 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:56,520 Speaker 2: be my life. Lozarda is more in the Arald this 616 00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:58,800 Speaker 2: Chapman camp. I mean, he's he was a Miami guy 617 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,120 Speaker 2: for a minute, so a that's going to bring the 618 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:03,400 Speaker 2: best beach bot out of you too. But anyway, in 619 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:05,400 Speaker 2: all seriousness, quote of the series. 620 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:08,280 Speaker 1: Has the best beach Tyler Glass. Now that's what was 621 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:13,000 Speaker 1: the just I mean, surfer bod True? Yeah, true? 622 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,560 Speaker 2: Did you see the Harper quote? Before the series started, 623 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:17,480 Speaker 2: They're like, oh, what do you think about the Dodgers? 624 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:19,600 Speaker 2: I got all the players and he's like, I feel 625 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 2: like only losers complain about what they're doing. Such a 626 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:24,680 Speaker 2: good quote. 627 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:27,080 Speaker 1: I mean I tweeted it. I quote tweeted it and 628 00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:30,040 Speaker 1: got crushed for it. I was like, I don't know, 629 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,240 Speaker 1: because yeah, because I was like I love this quote. 630 00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:34,680 Speaker 1: Go out and beat them, I mean, and then people 631 00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:36,440 Speaker 1: are like, oh, you run on a small market team 632 00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:38,840 Speaker 1: and never complained. I'm like, actually we didn't. When I 633 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:40,400 Speaker 1: was with the Twins, we were responding, and we want 634 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:41,840 Speaker 1: to know without two thousand and five we were like 635 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:45,520 Speaker 1: thirteenth in payroll, and we beat the Red Sox, we 636 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:47,800 Speaker 1: beat the Astros, and we beat the Angels all over 637 00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:49,480 Speaker 1: ahead of us in payroll. We never complained. We just 638 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 1: want to kick their asses. So I love this colte 639 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,400 Speaker 1: by Harper. Harper's like, you know what, we think we're 640 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:55,720 Speaker 1: better than them. We'll go out and prove it. Don't 641 00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:57,320 Speaker 1: complain about it. They still have to go out and 642 00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:59,800 Speaker 1: beat everybody. And the Phillies beat them two out of three. 643 00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:02,640 Speaker 1: So to my capter, the Harper and the Phillies. 644 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:06,000 Speaker 4: And fans and fans I think sometimes need to be 645 00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:10,000 Speaker 4: reminded that players never look at it that way, or 646 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,880 Speaker 4: at least not players that majority of players would respect. 647 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:17,240 Speaker 4: They don't look at it and go, we're playing the Dodger. 648 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:18,440 Speaker 3: We got no chance. 649 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:20,680 Speaker 4: You don't want to play with anybody that says that. 650 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:22,680 Speaker 4: You don't even want to look yourself in the mirror 651 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:24,959 Speaker 4: and say that, like, you want to go out you 652 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,840 Speaker 4: have an opportunity to beat the other team, no matter 653 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:31,160 Speaker 4: how much payroll they have, they got to put nine 654 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:32,960 Speaker 4: guys out there. They got to put a picture on 655 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,080 Speaker 4: the mound, and you get an opportunity to beat them 656 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:38,120 Speaker 4: every single night. So I loved it that Harper said that, 657 00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:41,520 Speaker 4: and I think play I think majority of players I've 658 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:44,520 Speaker 4: had ninety eight percent of players would agree with him. 659 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:47,560 Speaker 2: Hey, by the way, the Dodgers are gonna have to 660 00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:51,200 Speaker 2: figure out, you know, this pitching injury epidemic that they've 661 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,680 Speaker 2: been experiencing. I know Snells had injuries, but he's also 662 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,480 Speaker 2: been in decent shape the last few years. Already, after 663 00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:00,480 Speaker 2: two starts, he hits the shelf shoulder inflammation. Hey, stacked. 664 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,920 Speaker 2: They've got plenty of depth. But you get that news 665 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,640 Speaker 2: while we get the news about Otani over the weekend too. 666 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:07,320 Speaker 2: I don't know if they said anything to you, AJ, 667 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:09,920 Speaker 2: but it's kind of like Ken's report over the weekend 668 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,160 Speaker 2: had to do with them really slow playing things because 669 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,640 Speaker 2: they're thinking about the playoffs. Pitching wise, for him, he's 670 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,320 Speaker 2: got to pitch before that if the progression continues. But 671 00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:21,480 Speaker 2: he had his second session twenty six pitches mixed in 672 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:25,000 Speaker 2: the splitter. Usually from this point to getting back on 673 00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,240 Speaker 2: a big league mount as a starter. It's about six weeks. 674 00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:30,600 Speaker 2: It sounds like it's probably gonna be maybe double that 675 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,040 Speaker 2: to get him back. They're gonna really slow play it. 676 00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:33,640 Speaker 2: What do you think. 677 00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:36,000 Speaker 1: Well, I was in the same meeting that Ken was in, 678 00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,120 Speaker 1: so I know exactly what was told to him, and 679 00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:40,680 Speaker 1: that was exactly what they said. I mean, Ken was 680 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,480 Speaker 1: standing next to me when Dave Roberts told us his update. 681 00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:45,760 Speaker 1: And yeah, they are slow playing it because they don't 682 00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:47,320 Speaker 1: know how to rehab them. We asked him. I asked, 683 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:48,720 Speaker 1: Dave Roberts, what do I keep saying, how do you 684 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:50,720 Speaker 1: rehab show Ay? Because you can't send him to Oklahoma 685 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:52,960 Speaker 1: City and for Triple A and say throw five innings. 686 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:56,160 Speaker 1: He's gonna have to do, you know, simulated games, and 687 00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:57,520 Speaker 1: he's gonna have to do this and do that. And 688 00:32:57,520 --> 00:32:58,800 Speaker 1: then I said to him, I said, Dave, well what 689 00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:00,520 Speaker 1: do you do when he actually does get into a game. 690 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:02,280 Speaker 1: And he's like, I don't know. And I said, you're 691 00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:04,320 Speaker 1: going to piggyback in with Snell or Glass now or 692 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:06,720 Speaker 1: so zaki ye, And he's like, I don't know about 693 00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:08,920 Speaker 1: that either. So there's a lot of questions because nobody's 694 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:10,680 Speaker 1: ever done this. But yeah, they are slow playing this. 695 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,600 Speaker 1: And one thing Dave did say was, yes, we want 696 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:15,920 Speaker 1: him ready for October. That's what he wants. That's when 697 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:17,760 Speaker 1: he wants to be ready. So they have plenty of 698 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:19,920 Speaker 1: time to figure this out. The Snell thing is concerning 699 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,360 Speaker 1: because man, he did he said the last few years 700 00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:24,760 Speaker 1: he's been pretty healthy. So to see him go down already. 701 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,080 Speaker 1: But what was interesting to me and hopefully he gets 702 00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:28,160 Speaker 1: back sooner rather than later. 703 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:35,760 Speaker 2: Legendary walkoffs this weekend. We had five on Sunday? Is 704 00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:39,040 Speaker 2: that right? Five walkoffs on Sunday? Yes, do you want 705 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:40,720 Speaker 2: do you want to get in your your gator talk 706 00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:41,200 Speaker 2: to here? 707 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:45,080 Speaker 1: No, we'll get four, We'll get in slow pins crats. 708 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:46,520 Speaker 2: Four walkoffs on Sunday. 709 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:49,600 Speaker 4: Five My thumb was outside of the cream. 710 00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:53,240 Speaker 2: Oh h, gotcha, your thumbs too big. Five walkoff wins 711 00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:56,200 Speaker 2: the most across MLB on a single day since five 712 00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:59,920 Speaker 2: were pulled off on July eighth of twenty twenty two. 713 00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:05,000 Speaker 2: That's fun for the first weekend of the season. Well 714 00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:06,080 Speaker 2: technically the second. 715 00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:07,720 Speaker 1: Right, the Giants. 716 00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:11,520 Speaker 4: The Giants one was like was delayed. It was like, oh, okay, 717 00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,520 Speaker 4: well they're probably gonna come back. And the roeblace injury. 718 00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:17,800 Speaker 4: I hope his shoulder's fine, but that looked bad. That 719 00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:21,480 Speaker 4: looked bad, and they called him out of play because 720 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:24,600 Speaker 4: he had hit the net completely and fell and bounced back, 721 00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:26,919 Speaker 4: and you can't use the net to stay and play. 722 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:31,640 Speaker 4: I didn't know that, but one pitch what right the 723 00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:35,080 Speaker 4: right field. Wilmer Flores was part of those five, and 724 00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,799 Speaker 4: I think now he's tied with Bryce Harper for the 725 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:41,160 Speaker 4: most walk off of any active player in baseball. I 726 00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:44,920 Speaker 4: think it's thirteen, which is crazy Wilmore Flores, when I 727 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:47,920 Speaker 4: would not have picked him to be tied with Bryce Harper. 728 00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,000 Speaker 2: Let's there's a hot corner time. So we can cover 729 00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:55,759 Speaker 2: the Pirates Yankee series in here. But it was the 730 00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,680 Speaker 2: Pirates home opener on Friday, and frankly, it was an 731 00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:04,000 Speaker 2: utter disaster, a nine spot for the Yanks. Judge hadnopohomer, 732 00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:08,400 Speaker 2: they had some mistakes on the field. It just didn't 733 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:13,040 Speaker 2: look like good, clean first home game baseball from Pittsburgh, 734 00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:18,799 Speaker 2: and fans were heated. AJ we can only go off 735 00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:22,400 Speaker 2: what we hear on the broadcast and what reporters were saying, 736 00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:25,960 Speaker 2: many of which have spent a long time covering the team, 737 00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:31,640 Speaker 2: and the consensus was sell the team, Sell the team. 738 00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:35,800 Speaker 2: They were chanting loud. It sounded like Oakland last year. 739 00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:39,640 Speaker 2: And then there was the one fan trying to chat 740 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,360 Speaker 2: with Bob Nutting who had the kind of fake oopsie 741 00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:44,480 Speaker 2: smile on his face. The owner of the Pirates as 742 00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:46,160 Speaker 2: he was trying to head to his suite, but he 743 00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:50,080 Speaker 2: wanted to just I guess walk through the concourse to 744 00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:51,960 Speaker 2: get there, or maybe there's no other way to get there. 745 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:55,239 Speaker 2: I don't know. They lost the next day. They did 746 00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,560 Speaker 2: pull off a walk off win yesterday five to four. 747 00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:00,800 Speaker 2: They're off to a bad start, and it just feels 748 00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:04,760 Speaker 2: like they finally hit a boiling point on many levels 749 00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:08,000 Speaker 2: because they are going through a long rebuild right now 750 00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:11,120 Speaker 2: and it looks like the same sludge this year. 751 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,680 Speaker 1: Where do you start? The video of the fans getting 752 00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:20,759 Speaker 1: after him is one of the craziest, funniest videos of 753 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:22,400 Speaker 1: all time. I don't, I don't, I don't know, I 754 00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:25,560 Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, I don't expect or want to 755 00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:28,520 Speaker 1: condone at all any fan going up to an owner 756 00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:30,840 Speaker 1: and saying some of the things that were said. So 757 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:35,040 Speaker 1: let's get that out there in the air. In the opening. Yeah, 758 00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:37,839 Speaker 1: we can show it because listen, say what you want 759 00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,560 Speaker 1: to say. Be respectful though the guy, you know, he 760 00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:42,880 Speaker 1: still owns the team, so be a little bit respectful. 761 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:44,960 Speaker 2: I wouldn't say it because of that. I just say 762 00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:49,600 Speaker 2: be respectful because he's a human being. Also true, I 763 00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:51,560 Speaker 2: don't care about that because he's not true. 764 00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:54,239 Speaker 1: He's a human being. But I mean, I don't know, 765 00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,920 Speaker 1: but just be respectful to other people, please, Yeah and 766 00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:00,239 Speaker 1: so and fans caught him. But what I don't want 767 00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,200 Speaker 1: to know is why was Bob nutting walking through the crowd. 768 00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:04,600 Speaker 1: He knew this was coming. You have to know you 769 00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:07,400 Speaker 1: cannot be that dense in life, right crotchy to know 770 00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:09,400 Speaker 1: that if I walk out through the crowd at this point, 771 00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:11,760 Speaker 1: with all the stuff that's been going on, that's someone's 772 00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:13,839 Speaker 1: not gonna say something crazy to me. And this guy 773 00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:16,239 Speaker 1: took a shot and Bob nunning to his I'll give 774 00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:17,920 Speaker 1: him credit for this. He didn't fire back, and he 775 00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:19,480 Speaker 1: got a security to get in the way and get 776 00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:21,319 Speaker 1: him out of there. But you had to know this 777 00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:23,040 Speaker 1: was coming. And that's what's surprising to me. 778 00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:26,120 Speaker 4: I mean, he I mean, there's definitely another way to 779 00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:28,919 Speaker 4: get to his suite. I think it was. I think 780 00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,520 Speaker 4: he planned to walk out there because if you see 781 00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:34,120 Speaker 4: where he's walking, if we can show the video or not. 782 00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:38,320 Speaker 4: If you look see the video, he's walking up that rotunda. 783 00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:41,360 Speaker 4: I think it's called that goes in left field. It's circular, 784 00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:43,240 Speaker 4: it gets you to the upper deck. It's a really 785 00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:49,120 Speaker 4: really awesome unique thing that that PNC Park has. But 786 00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:52,720 Speaker 4: you go there and you're like, why would you walk through? 787 00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:55,239 Speaker 4: As much as I'm like, hey, be an owner of 788 00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:59,360 Speaker 4: the people. Because John Middleton was just was just on 789 00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:02,839 Speaker 4: the Philly Show the other day. You can see he's 790 00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:05,919 Speaker 4: out in the he's out among the people, and people 791 00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:09,280 Speaker 4: aren't chirping a little bit here like it's a nice 792 00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,280 Speaker 4: it's an awesome walk So I like that you're all 793 00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,399 Speaker 4: out around the people and he acts like nobody's even 794 00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:16,080 Speaker 4: talking to him. 795 00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:20,560 Speaker 2: But yeah, they're screaming, sell the team, sell the team, 796 00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:23,400 Speaker 2: and the whole ballpark was doing that really for the 797 00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:26,719 Speaker 2: entire game. For the Friday home opener. Yeah, it was 798 00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,279 Speaker 2: kind of a nightmare series aside from the walk off win. 799 00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:31,000 Speaker 2: But we just showed you a little bit of video 800 00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:33,719 Speaker 2: there and there's nothing to hear. They're just yelling sell 801 00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:37,439 Speaker 2: the team, what's the deal? Why is Trent Grisham having 802 00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:40,600 Speaker 2: the time of his life this weekend against US? Stuff 803 00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:45,760 Speaker 2: like that two over game shot. 804 00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:51,200 Speaker 1: Well Saturday, My bigger question is not only was did 805 00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:52,920 Speaker 1: this happen? But I think we're going to go there. 806 00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:55,799 Speaker 1: The Roberto Clementi stuff to me was like that is 807 00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:58,319 Speaker 1: like you can be the owner and you can piss 808 00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:00,960 Speaker 1: off folks. One thing you don't I'm doing Pittsburgh is 809 00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:03,440 Speaker 1: you don't mess with Roberto Clementi. And for them to 810 00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:06,560 Speaker 1: take the Roberto Clementi twenty one off the wall. That 811 00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:09,600 Speaker 1: is the Roberto Clemente wall, and it's twenty one feet 812 00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:12,480 Speaker 1: high because of Roberto Clemente. And if you ask Latin 813 00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:15,839 Speaker 1: players in baseball, they will tell you that they think 814 00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:19,120 Speaker 1: Roberto Clementi was as important as a Jackie Robinson and 815 00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:21,680 Speaker 1: that they should retire that number throughout baseball. I don't 816 00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:23,840 Speaker 1: know that's going to happen, but you see the difference 817 00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:25,800 Speaker 1: right there. And for them to just for the Pirates 818 00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:27,560 Speaker 1: to be like it was an oversight, like are you 819 00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:31,080 Speaker 1: kidding me? It was an oversight? Like that was one 820 00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:32,799 Speaker 1: of the cool features of going to P and C 821 00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:34,920 Speaker 1: was that wall and why it was there, and the 822 00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:37,640 Speaker 1: height was special and everything. So I don't know. I 823 00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:39,279 Speaker 1: think that was just it just more of the bad 824 00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:41,160 Speaker 1: weekend vibes that Scott was talking about. 825 00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:45,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, they're fixing it. I mean, you needed Roberto Clemente 826 00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:48,399 Speaker 2: Junior to come out publicly and almost kind of hint 827 00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:51,160 Speaker 2: that there are fractures and things that need to be fixed. 828 00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:54,640 Speaker 2: In general, it's just it's really ugly, and the team 829 00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:58,120 Speaker 2: was like, oh, this was just an oversight. Oops ce. 830 00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:00,239 Speaker 5: Me. 831 00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:04,279 Speaker 2: I'm like, you had to physically remove it or replace it. 832 00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:08,120 Speaker 2: That's not an oversight, is it. And it's like Kratz 833 00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:11,479 Speaker 2: they said, because they decided after COVID that they would 834 00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:14,320 Speaker 2: put the extra twenty one up there. I'm like, okay. 835 00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:17,040 Speaker 2: It just feels like when you're honoring someone who is 836 00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:20,040 Speaker 2: a legend in the organization who has passed, you can't 837 00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:22,200 Speaker 2: put something up and then take it away. Part of 838 00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:24,560 Speaker 2: the excuse on the Oopsie was like, well, we have 839 00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,520 Speaker 2: other stuff honoring him. I get it. I get the 840 00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:31,200 Speaker 2: sponsor ship part, right, everyone has sponsorship to pay the bills, 841 00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:33,320 Speaker 2: but like, there are many other places to put something. 842 00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:36,960 Speaker 2: You think that replacing something like that with a sponsor 843 00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,120 Speaker 2: is going to go over. Well, now the sponsor's pissed 844 00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:40,239 Speaker 2: and they probably want their. 845 00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:44,319 Speaker 4: Money back, as they should. Don't offer that to them. 846 00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:48,400 Speaker 4: They did this on purpose. And the I'm not sure 847 00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:50,680 Speaker 4: what his name was, the guy who said, I take 848 00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:51,759 Speaker 4: full responsibility. 849 00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,400 Speaker 2: Head of sales, Travis Williams, not president of the. 850 00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:58,240 Speaker 4: Travels thank you. And he said I take full responsibility. 851 00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,200 Speaker 4: But then if he would have stopped there, you'd have 852 00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:04,080 Speaker 4: been like, okay, fine. But then he said, well, we 853 00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:06,719 Speaker 4: actually have twenty one. And if you would look at 854 00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,920 Speaker 4: that picture, it's really hard to see, but above the 855 00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:14,279 Speaker 4: scoreboard about halfway up there's a cement line. It's where 856 00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:18,799 Speaker 4: people can like stand, and it's above that automated scoreboard 857 00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:21,680 Speaker 4: that they have there, and it's a twenty one that's 858 00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:25,359 Speaker 4: this big to me. They felt like they had done enough. 859 00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:29,120 Speaker 4: They felt like they had enough. Roberto Clemente. You can 860 00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:31,920 Speaker 4: see it, I mean so so tiny. The black on 861 00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:35,439 Speaker 4: the right on the right picture, there's a twenty one. 862 00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,359 Speaker 4: The scoreboard's off so you can really see it. It's 863 00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:41,360 Speaker 4: that little. It's a little dot on the scoreboard, I 864 00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:43,840 Speaker 4: mean above the scoreboard there that says twenty one. And 865 00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:45,839 Speaker 4: I think there's one at the other end of it. 866 00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:50,279 Speaker 4: To me, they felt like they had given enough enough 867 00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:53,719 Speaker 4: respect in homage to to me, he's bigger than just 868 00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:58,960 Speaker 4: the Pirates. There's a Roberto Clemente museum in Pittsburgh. Like 869 00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:02,759 Speaker 4: Pirates fan connect with this, there is a majority of 870 00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:07,040 Speaker 4: players that connect with Roberto Clemente and what he did 871 00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:12,239 Speaker 4: and his ability to bring Latin players that that you know, 872 00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:14,839 Speaker 4: opened it up some for lat there's Latin players before him, 873 00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,840 Speaker 4: but he really brought that flash and flare and a 874 00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:21,400 Speaker 4: lot of them that never knew him really gravitated to that. 875 00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:25,279 Speaker 4: And I they they missed it. And now you gotta Now, 876 00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:27,520 Speaker 4: you gotta figure out what to do with Surfside, because 877 00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:29,680 Speaker 4: you know you told them, hey, we can sell you 878 00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:32,239 Speaker 4: the falpole line. We can sell you the line right 879 00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:33,799 Speaker 4: next to the foul pole. That's going to be huge 880 00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:36,120 Speaker 4: because when home runs go there, Now, where are they 881 00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:39,120 Speaker 4: gonna put them? You better, you better figure it out 882 00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:42,960 Speaker 4: because you had this and you made that promise. Now 883 00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:45,839 Speaker 4: Surf Side can sponsor Hot Corner if they want. We'll 884 00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:46,919 Speaker 4: always show you on here. 885 00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:50,200 Speaker 2: That's true. But also if I'm them, I'm pissed that 886 00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:53,440 Speaker 2: you know there was a miscommunication here because you know 887 00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:55,560 Speaker 2: that's not on the sponsor to know exactly what was 888 00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:58,680 Speaker 2: replacing what and all that. So you made them look 889 00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:00,759 Speaker 2: bad and that's not cool. So yeah, there were a 890 00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:03,240 Speaker 2: lot of really big swings and misses from the Pirates 891 00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:05,479 Speaker 2: this weekend, aside from Tommy fam with the walk off 892 00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:08,640 Speaker 2: after a blown lead for one, Grisham got him again 893 00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:11,759 Speaker 2: at one point it would have been really bad, but regardless, 894 00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:13,640 Speaker 2: like you got to pick on them when they're down 895 00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:17,399 Speaker 2: right now because fans need a voice and we're here 896 00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:20,360 Speaker 2: for you because it's bs what's gone on there. Meanwhile, 897 00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:22,719 Speaker 2: Yankees look really good as usual. They won two out 898 00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:24,160 Speaker 2: of three here. They're off to a nice start to 899 00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:26,880 Speaker 2: the year. Let's hit the Giants and Rangers when we 900 00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:34,360 Speaker 2: swing back, both off to sizzland starts. Oh Buster, Posey's 901 00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:37,400 Speaker 2: looking good right now. Best record in baseball belongs to 902 00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:40,080 Speaker 2: a team that's won seven in a row, the San 903 00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:43,080 Speaker 2: Francisco Giants. They played some close games this weekend too, 904 00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:46,320 Speaker 2: against Seattle. Obviously, Seattle gets swept. They lose Roeblayce for 905 00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:48,600 Speaker 2: a while. It could be bad news for them. But 906 00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:51,920 Speaker 2: on the other side here aj A damis for the 907 00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:55,240 Speaker 2: home opener getting the walk off. And I've already heard 908 00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:58,240 Speaker 2: from who is it Zach Manasan who is the brother 909 00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:01,160 Speaker 2: of Perry who runs the Angels, that a domis in there. 910 00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:04,320 Speaker 2: This was a good line from him. Treats every game 911 00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:08,160 Speaker 2: like opening Day, like every game is this genuine excitement 912 00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:10,279 Speaker 2: that you're playing again without overdoing it? And that is 913 00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:13,480 Speaker 2: a fine line. So it sounds like he's already really 914 00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:17,040 Speaker 2: like bringing the spark that you saw with him in 915 00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:18,720 Speaker 2: the Milwaukee Brewers for years. 916 00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:21,360 Speaker 1: This is why he was so valuable in Milwaukee. Besides 917 00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:23,640 Speaker 1: the stats, just a smile, he brings the energy, he 918 00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:27,319 Speaker 1: brings scrats no, scrats on. But listen, man, I know 919 00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:29,480 Speaker 1: I think that the Giants listener. Are they off to 920 00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:30,719 Speaker 1: a hot story he has. Is it great for the 921 00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:32,799 Speaker 1: Giants in their fan base? Yes? Is it great for 922 00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:34,640 Speaker 1: Buster Posey? Absolutely? 923 00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:34,920 Speaker 4: You know what? 924 00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:37,080 Speaker 1: You know what the best part about this is baseball 925 00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:39,040 Speaker 1: players can run teams. Look at the Red Sox, look 926 00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:42,960 Speaker 1: at the Rangers, look at the Giants. Now, baseball players. 927 00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:46,560 Speaker 1: It doesn't have to just be people from IVY League schools, right, 928 00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:49,400 Speaker 1: baseball players, No, baseball Let's put some more baseball players 929 00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:51,759 Speaker 1: in there. I'm happy for Giants. Fans are excited. It's 930 00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:54,120 Speaker 1: good for baseball. When teams win, you bring someone back, 931 00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:58,440 Speaker 1: past player. Guess what, Buster Posey a legend in San Francisco. 932 00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:01,160 Speaker 1: He wants the Giants to win. Let's we need to 933 00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:03,360 Speaker 1: see more of this. We need baseball people in baseball. 934 00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:09,680 Speaker 4: Can his just aura of winning? I mean, Buster Posey 935 00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:13,000 Speaker 4: is just he's winning, That's what it is. The one 936 00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:15,520 Speaker 4: you know, they won, and then he got hurt and 937 00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:17,960 Speaker 4: they didn't win, and then he was back again. They 938 00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,520 Speaker 4: won again and it was an off year. Like he 939 00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:24,360 Speaker 4: was always in the playoffs. He was always around winning. 940 00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:28,160 Speaker 4: So can that permeate in just his first year in 941 00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:30,800 Speaker 4: the front office because he was working for the team. 942 00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:34,360 Speaker 4: You know now that he's pushing the buttons, is he 943 00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:37,719 Speaker 4: really making that much of a difference. I don't know, 944 00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:40,880 Speaker 4: but this is a great start. A lot of close games. 945 00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:44,080 Speaker 4: It would say that those close games would even out, 946 00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:48,680 Speaker 4: but close games are won not by offense, by pitching 947 00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:51,600 Speaker 4: in defense. And these boys can pick it. They can 948 00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:54,680 Speaker 4: pick it, and if they know how to play in 949 00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:58,359 Speaker 4: San fran maybe they have an advantage there because they 950 00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:00,560 Speaker 4: can pick it. And they're gonna try to be able to, 951 00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:03,640 Speaker 4: you know, outlast teams with their pitching and defense, which 952 00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:04,480 Speaker 4: could be huge. 953 00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:06,880 Speaker 1: But do we think, does anybody think they're going to 954 00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:12,000 Speaker 1: win the division even though it's nice start. I'm just saying, 955 00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:15,520 Speaker 1: and I know Scott, I know Scott doesn't care, but 956 00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:16,920 Speaker 1: they do have a negative run differential. 957 00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:20,640 Speaker 2: I definitely don't care because they're winning close games right now, 958 00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:25,360 Speaker 2: runners in scoring position, machines, two out, RBIs, walk off wins. 959 00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:30,560 Speaker 2: Adamis was a posy ad right. Chapman getting extended, who 960 00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:32,560 Speaker 2: had a nice weekend with some big plays and some 961 00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:35,880 Speaker 2: timely hits was kind of a posey move with the 962 00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:38,759 Speaker 2: way that he got it done. And overall, I do 963 00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:40,880 Speaker 2: know that there have been some changes already with the 964 00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:43,400 Speaker 2: analytics staff still doing their thing but taking a step 965 00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:45,799 Speaker 2: back and being so close to the players and kind 966 00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:47,719 Speaker 2: of surrounding them. And I mean, you guys, tell me, 967 00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:49,880 Speaker 2: does that make a difference right off the jump if 968 00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:52,120 Speaker 2: you feel like it's a little more baseball and just 969 00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:55,560 Speaker 2: a little more separation in the right way. 970 00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:03,200 Speaker 1: Winning. But let me ask you also, Scott, you say, oh, 971 00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:05,319 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter who you play. Who did they just 972 00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:07,480 Speaker 1: sweep Seattle? 973 00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:09,719 Speaker 2: They swept Houston before that, and they won two out 974 00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:12,160 Speaker 2: of three against Cincinnati, and that one loss was by 975 00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:15,000 Speaker 2: one run, so they look good. Those are all good teams. 976 00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:17,520 Speaker 1: I'm just asking. You always say you know, it doesn't 977 00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:19,600 Speaker 1: matter who you play, but I mean, Seattle's not playing great. 978 00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:21,040 Speaker 1: They're not swinging the bats very well. 979 00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:24,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's that's not a bad to a thirty 980 00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:27,640 Speaker 2: five scoreless. I'm just saying no, but it's not like 981 00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:31,080 Speaker 2: they opened up against the Rockies and White Sox. To me, 982 00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:34,560 Speaker 2: those are all formidable teams. Even if they're average teams. 983 00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:37,160 Speaker 2: They're they're good. Houston should be good. Seattle, Yes, I 984 00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:39,320 Speaker 2: don't think he's I think they're going to be in 985 00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:41,120 Speaker 2: the same range as usual. They'll be in like the 986 00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:43,040 Speaker 2: low to mid eighties. They'll miss the playoffs by a 987 00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:46,759 Speaker 2: game or two fifty four, and then Cincinnati. We don't 988 00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:49,000 Speaker 2: know yet. But my point is they're not bad teams. 989 00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:51,440 Speaker 1: Okay, I just I just wanted I love how you 990 00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:53,960 Speaker 1: flipped the narrative to however you wanted to fit. 991 00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:56,319 Speaker 2: The true We're talking about the Rays when they had 992 00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:59,560 Speaker 2: their undefeated start and they played some weaker. 993 00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:04,320 Speaker 4: Appeasant He's a scout, he writes, whatever he writes, whatever 994 00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:10,000 Speaker 4: narrative he wants. This guy unbelievable. Great speed, not high 995 00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:12,759 Speaker 4: end speed, but speed that comes off the bas is 996 00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:15,440 Speaker 4: Scott Scott's scout. We hear it, We hear it at him. 997 00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:17,279 Speaker 4: He flips the narrative when he needs it. 998 00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:19,400 Speaker 2: I think Ad misses me. We're going to be in 999 00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:22,280 Speaker 2: studio together on Wednesday, as long as there's not another 1000 00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:24,480 Speaker 2: National Championship game, aren't we? 1001 00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:25,920 Speaker 4: Huggs hugs. 1002 00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:28,080 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't. I don't know if I'll change 1003 00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:29,200 Speaker 1: the code on my door or not. 1004 00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:34,719 Speaker 2: All right, here we are. First off, one more bit 1005 00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:36,799 Speaker 2: of news in the AL West or the National League West. 1006 00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:40,400 Speaker 2: Make it to tell Marte Hamstring Streen put on the 1007 00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:43,480 Speaker 2: Ale Saturday. That happened in Friday's game, running out a 1008 00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:45,440 Speaker 2: double in the first inning. He was off to a 1009 00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:48,759 Speaker 2: hot start, one sixty seven ops plus first eight game, 1010 00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:50,960 Speaker 2: six walks to four k's. They'll be okay, but that 1011 00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:53,759 Speaker 2: still sucks. I mean, he's a top five player right 1012 00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:55,960 Speaker 2: now in the National League based on what he did 1013 00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:57,759 Speaker 2: last year in the start to this year. So that 1014 00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:00,600 Speaker 2: helps San Francisco too to stay in the pack here 1015 00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:04,600 Speaker 2: with the wildcar contenders. You know it knocks Arizona back, 1016 00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:07,400 Speaker 2: potentially a couple of games, depending on how long he misses. 1017 00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:14,759 Speaker 2: Rangers eight and two, they sweep the race, thoughts their 1018 00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:16,640 Speaker 2: offense hasn't even gotten going really yet. 1019 00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:21,319 Speaker 1: By the way, Sorry, I got confused. I thought we're 1020 00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:26,320 Speaker 1: tugging Rangers. The Rangers have the negative run differential. Sorry, sorry, sorry, 1021 00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:28,440 Speaker 1: The Giants actually have a huge run difference for the 1022 00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:31,319 Speaker 1: Rangers are the ones? So Apologies everybody in the chat 1023 00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:33,279 Speaker 1: on Twitter. I was confused. I was listening, but I 1024 00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:36,080 Speaker 1: was too excited to burn Scott on the Rangers instead 1025 00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:38,160 Speaker 1: of the Giants. So go Giants. As someone that has 1026 00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:41,000 Speaker 1: their number retired by the Giants, I am a Giant, 1027 00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:42,000 Speaker 1: so I get it. 1028 00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:43,839 Speaker 2: And you're a Ranger and the Rangers. I had. 1029 00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:47,680 Speaker 1: Yes, the Rangers are eight and two and they do 1030 00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:51,320 Speaker 1: have a negative run differential, so yes, which is so Scott. 1031 00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:52,680 Speaker 1: They suck according to you. 1032 00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:55,200 Speaker 2: Isn't that because of the one game where they got 1033 00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:59,680 Speaker 2: clocked by the Reds. Yeah, that's still That's why run 1034 00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:04,600 Speaker 2: different rental is so stupid. It's so dumb. It is 1035 00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:09,120 Speaker 2: such a bad stat and the fact that we're smart numbers. 1036 00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:12,520 Speaker 2: People rely on that, like, oh, they're Pythagorean record. I'm like, 1037 00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:14,880 Speaker 2: so a team can lose two games by a combined 1038 00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:17,279 Speaker 2: score of thirty to three and throw somebody out there 1039 00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:19,120 Speaker 2: that just eats it for a while, and that's going 1040 00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:21,319 Speaker 2: to affect how you look at that team for the year. 1041 00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:24,799 Speaker 2: That's a terrible stat. 1042 00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:27,080 Speaker 5: I like it. 1043 00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:28,360 Speaker 2: What do you think about the Rangers? 1044 00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:30,759 Speaker 1: That's a scout coming out again Cratsey by the way, 1045 00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:32,799 Speaker 1: because you know he just picks the stats he likes. 1046 00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:35,320 Speaker 1: But I like, I love the Range. I think the 1047 00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:37,319 Speaker 1: Ranger are good as long as they're as long as 1048 00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:40,879 Speaker 1: their pitches to have stays healthy. Jack Lader's already down 1049 00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:43,600 Speaker 1: to get to Grun stay healthy. Canivaldy stay healthy? Can 1050 00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:45,400 Speaker 1: Maalley stay healthy? If they do? But we your no 1051 00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:49,480 Speaker 1: verse boat. You can run a bullpen. That's the biggest thing. Boats. 1052 00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:51,719 Speaker 4: You'll get that value out of that bullpen no matter 1053 00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:52,520 Speaker 4: what time of year it. 1054 00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:58,440 Speaker 2: Is, correct, all right, So good start for them, And yeah, 1055 00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:00,920 Speaker 2: played a nice series against a race team that is 1056 00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:03,000 Speaker 2: probably going to stand out for it's pitching more than 1057 00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:06,120 Speaker 2: anything else. They got to Tej Bradley in that matchup? 1058 00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:10,319 Speaker 2: What was that On Saturday? They got to Tash So yeah, 1059 00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:14,359 Speaker 2: good start for them. All right, let's slap. We've got 1060 00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:16,440 Speaker 2: a lot of things to do. First off, watch party. 1061 00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:17,880 Speaker 2: Next one we're doing, We're gonna do this once a 1062 00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:21,560 Speaker 2: week on playback Dodgers and Nationals. It'll be a foul 1063 00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:25,719 Speaker 2: territory Dodgers Territory little collab. We'll call that whole game 1064 00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:28,839 Speaker 2: four o'clock Eastern time. Catch it this Wednesday. Will give 1065 00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:32,120 Speaker 2: you more info tomorrow and of course on Wednesday as well. 1066 00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:35,520 Speaker 2: Alanaizzo already confirmed, and we're working on some others as well. 1067 00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:38,480 Speaker 2: All right, let's get to AJ's story here for two minutes. 1068 00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:41,759 Speaker 2: I want to hear about your Max Monsey conversation because 1069 00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:43,120 Speaker 2: he's coming on the show tomorrow. 1070 00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:45,759 Speaker 1: I know I'm not gonna be on tomorrow because I 1071 00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:47,319 Speaker 1: have to get home from San Antonio. By the way, 1072 00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:49,120 Speaker 1: if you haven't been to San Antonio, I haven't been here. 1073 00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:51,239 Speaker 1: I've been here one other time. It's awesome. The river 1074 00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:53,640 Speaker 1: walk is awesome and it's not hot, so which makes 1075 00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:55,359 Speaker 1: it even better. So I'll be on on Wednesday again 1076 00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:57,560 Speaker 1: unless I fall into the river after Florida Wednesday night 1077 00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:00,000 Speaker 1: and I don't get out, which is a distinct possibility. 1078 00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:04,320 Speaker 1: We'll see. But I was in Philadelphia this weekend. I 1079 00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:05,880 Speaker 1: as a Fox analyst. We get to go in the 1080 00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:07,880 Speaker 1: clubhouses and Max was in there and I was talking 1081 00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:09,920 Speaker 1: to him and he's like, oh, you know, I'm kind 1082 00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:11,640 Speaker 1: of struggling. I'm like, dude, you're like three for twenty. 1083 00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:13,640 Speaker 1: I forget what the numbers or whatever. I'm like, but 1084 00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:15,600 Speaker 1: if this was in June, you know, nobody would carry. 1085 00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:16,759 Speaker 1: He's like that's a good point. I'm like, Max, you've 1086 00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:18,920 Speaker 1: gotten too many hits. You're too good to let this go. 1087 00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:20,200 Speaker 1: And he's like, you're right, you're right. I'm like, oh, 1088 00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:21,680 Speaker 1: I got Nola, and you know he's gonna flip you 1089 00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:24,279 Speaker 1: some curveballs. Just just get out front and you know, 1090 00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:26,000 Speaker 1: clip it out front and hit one down the right 1091 00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:28,120 Speaker 1: field line and then you go from there. And he's like, ah, 1092 00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:29,719 Speaker 1: you know, da da da da. I don't know, we'll see, 1093 00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:31,200 Speaker 1: we'll see, we'll see. I don't want to swing at 1094 00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:33,080 Speaker 1: the curveball. I'm like, well, at some point, you're gonna 1095 00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:34,600 Speaker 1: have to swing at one. He's just kind of like, 1096 00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:36,360 Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know. But it all started 1097 00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:38,080 Speaker 1: because I wanted to see his torpedo bow, which he 1098 00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:39,560 Speaker 1: had thrown in the garbage because he said I had 1099 00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:41,520 Speaker 1: no hits in it. So I'm like, just you know, 1100 00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:43,520 Speaker 1: get your torpedo bat out of the garbage, flip one 1101 00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:45,000 Speaker 1: down the right field line. You'll get going. 1102 00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:45,520 Speaker 2: Well. 1103 00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:47,680 Speaker 1: Max months he guess that he does three for three. 1104 00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:49,919 Speaker 1: I had no idea at the time. He was one 1105 00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:53,120 Speaker 1: for twenty one off Nola with eleven punchies. I had 1106 00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:56,360 Speaker 1: absolutely no idea because I hadn't read the notes yet. Instead, 1107 00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:58,040 Speaker 1: I felt like an idiot. He went out went three 1108 00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:00,319 Speaker 1: for three, So Max, you owe me, so up him 1109 00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:02,120 Speaker 1: for those three for three when you come on tomorrow. Brother. 1110 00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:07,760 Speaker 2: Wow, that was coaching status right there. Wow. 1111 00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:10,600 Speaker 1: Yep had no idea. Yep went in there was like 1112 00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:12,920 Speaker 1: just you don't believe in yourself, come on, you can 1113 00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:16,239 Speaker 1: do it, and doing for the gimper, doing for the 1114 00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:18,160 Speaker 1: old man up there in the booth. Let's go in 1115 00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:20,839 Speaker 1: three for three. So off Nola, All off Nola too. 1116 00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:22,680 Speaker 1: By the way, firstbody get. 1117 00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:28,320 Speaker 4: Somebody, somebody get a Jason the shoulders patting himself on 1118 00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:33,280 Speaker 4: the back. Worst hitting coach ever. Never tellybody give hitting 1119 00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:33,960 Speaker 4: coach advice. 1120 00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:36,399 Speaker 2: It works, though,