WEBVTT - Palantir's Manifesto with June and Caleb from KTC

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<v Speaker 1>Also media.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello and welcome to Better Offline. I'm your host ed

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<v Speaker 2>Zitra and I.

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<v Speaker 3>Have lost the plot. I've lost the plot.

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<v Speaker 2>today I am joined by two of the powerhouses from

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<v Speaker 2>Kill the Computer. Of course, I've got Juniper and Kleb here.

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<v Speaker 2>How are you doing?

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<v Speaker 1>You do really great? I'm doing wonderful, awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So I was just reading what appears to be

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<v Speaker 2>a school shooter manifesto that was posted on pound.

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<v Speaker 1>Heres AI centrist why data centers built? But really loves

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<v Speaker 1>talking to to a chat GBT about all of his plans.

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<v Speaker 2>But I like the first line of it the most,

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<v Speaker 2>by the way, which is because we get asked a lot, No,

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<v Speaker 2>you don't who is I'm constantly at Palenteer, Hey have

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<v Speaker 2>you come up with like, oh, I don't know? Twenty

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<v Speaker 2>two different points to explain who you are? Because another

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<v Speaker 2>great thing about this is it does still does not

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<v Speaker 2>explain what Palenteer is. Yeah, still don't know. True, it's

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<v Speaker 2>evil salesforce is the best I can get to it. Like,

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<v Speaker 2>it's just like they send forward deployment engineers to your business,

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<v Speaker 2>they charge you a bazillion dollars in some time. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>it's just Oracle actually now that.

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<v Speaker 1>My understanding is that it's like an app layered on

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<v Speaker 1>top of like databases. Essentially, it's like what it are

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<v Speaker 1>different companies.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, it's just I was gonna say evil Oracle,

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<v Speaker 2>but I think that that's Oracle. That's just Oracle. I

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<v Speaker 2>mean their first client was the CIA. Yeah, yeah, first

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<v Speaker 2>client of Oracle with CIA. Very funny.

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<v Speaker 4>Back in Peter Thiel did a Reddit AMA like ten

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<v Speaker 4>years ago and he called the CIA a front four

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<v Speaker 4>palanteer in that that was very funny.

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<v Speaker 1>Come on, dude, I hate these people. They are like

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<v Speaker 1>they're they're stunting on all of us all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>They think they can just like do this ship and I.

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<v Speaker 2>Mean it was like, come on, literally stunting in the

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<v Speaker 2>to the extent that they're doing stuff with confidence that

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<v Speaker 2>they shouldn't have exactly because it's like they're trading at

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<v Speaker 2>some ridiculous earning. This is exactly the kind of thing

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<v Speaker 2>that goes away. Also, really like the problem with government

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<v Speaker 2>contracts is when you have them, they're awesome. When you

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<v Speaker 2>have them, they're great when you're like to guarantee money.

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<v Speaker 2>But if the government is ever just like, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know if I want to work with the manifesto brothers

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<v Speaker 2>over here, I don't know if like, like Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 1>Twenty two points, that's a lot of that's a long manifesto.

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<v Speaker 4>Second, the twenty third point that he only sent to

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<v Speaker 4>a couple of people. If some of you are cool,

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<v Speaker 4>don't come to school.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought point fourteen would be a little more racist though,

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<v Speaker 2>American power, let's actually.

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<v Speaker 1>Go through these showy okay please?

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<v Speaker 2>Number one. Silicon value was a moral debt to the

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<v Speaker 2>country that made its rice possible the engineering elite. Silicon

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<v Speaker 2>value is an affirmative obligation to participate in the defense

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<v Speaker 2>of the nation. So, first bit, I might agree with you,

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<v Speaker 2>do you duo society money? You you owe the most

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<v Speaker 2>debts of gratitude. And then the second part it's like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>so you just care about war?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so I think it's really uh, just for context here,

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<v Speaker 4>I've been kind of racking my brain for the first

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<v Speaker 4>blog that we're doing over on our Killer Computer Newsporper website.

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<v Speaker 4>I think It's really easy to interpret this as like

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<v Speaker 4>him being cynical and be like Dinging holding his hat

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<v Speaker 4>out money, like like you might think Elon Musk if

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<v Speaker 4>he said this, you know, he's just asking for more

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<v Speaker 4>tax payer money or something. It's important to remember that

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<v Speaker 4>like Alex Cart believe in this, like very sincerely, all

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<v Speaker 4>the stuff that he's saying. Yes, you know, there's probably

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<v Speaker 4>some cynicism too, because he's obviously is you know, his

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<v Speaker 4>whole business is baking money off the federal government in

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<v Speaker 4>some ways, but he does believe every all twenty two

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<v Speaker 4>points or sincere.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I think specifically this point fourteen two especially,

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<v Speaker 1>like he does believe these things. Peace for who this

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<v Speaker 1>long piece for who? Sure in the imperial core here

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<v Speaker 1>in the United States in the air quotes west, of

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<v Speaker 1>course it feels peaceful, but we like we just started

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<v Speaker 1>a war in Iran. That's not peace. That's like the

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<v Speaker 1>common thing where it's like, oh yeah Israeli Israeli idea

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<v Speaker 1>of soldiers get killed or by terrorists, but Palestinians they

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<v Speaker 1>just you know, they died. Who knows what happened in killing? Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>no source on that one, you know where that came from.

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<v Speaker 4>Is interesting in that, like his entire life, he has,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, he's especially this like a progressive Democrat that

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<v Speaker 4>since October seventh specifically is kind of yes, absolutely, he's uh,

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<v Speaker 4>he's you know, he voted against Trump and he fought

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<v Speaker 4>with Peter Teel about his support of Trump. I was

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<v Speaker 4>as recently as like twenty twenty four, it was, uh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>it's actually it was October seventh that really kind of

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<v Speaker 4>and then some like anti book stuff. I still think

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<v Speaker 4>that he does believe in some of these things. He's

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<v Speaker 4>just kind of going into like I don't know, midlife crisis,

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<v Speaker 4>divorced dad, like I don't know what I believe anymore

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<v Speaker 4>mode sort of thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but yeah, I he's every interview I watch with him,

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like if I had his number and be like,

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<v Speaker 2>hey man, call me. Yeah dude, doing all right? Man? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>A little too much coffee this morning, you know what

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, a little too much espresso.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>It makes you makes your face itch, and it makes

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<v Speaker 2>you feel a little crazy. A little too much express

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<v Speaker 2>on my head because you see a guy like this

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<v Speaker 2>bouncing around on stage and it's like how miserable, How miserable?

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<v Speaker 2>Like being alive must really fucking suck for you. That's

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<v Speaker 2>I know, it's really generic to be like these people

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<v Speaker 2>need their but like these people need friends.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like just wonderfully one guy that's outside of themselves too,

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<v Speaker 1>because there are friends with each other. Of course, they

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<v Speaker 1>all love to each other.

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<v Speaker 2>They dream, fucking they don't care about each other. No

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<v Speaker 2>one's doing a brother check in on the single. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think Peter.

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<v Speaker 4>Thiel is in any place to give karpa brother check

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<v Speaker 4>in in any case. You know, he's like, hey, man,

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<v Speaker 4>I just interrupted my Antichrist conference to see how you're

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<v Speaker 4>doing SI review.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you all right? Yeah? You do it? Okay? You

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<v Speaker 2>see them a little, you see them a little off

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<v Speaker 2>the rails. Sorry I didn't call you back. It was

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<v Speaker 2>just right. A sixty two thousand word screed about why

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<v Speaker 2>woman must change. But let's continue with the manifesto. Actually

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<v Speaker 2>another thought with zero point one. It's like the moral debt,

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<v Speaker 2>the Silicon Valley owes the country. It's only in its defense,

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<v Speaker 2>not making it better. Yeah, I'm making people happy, but

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<v Speaker 2>just war.

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<v Speaker 4>But just one more quick point. Believes his dissertation. I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>this is all part in parcel his entire worldview he

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<v Speaker 4>genuinely believes, so even when he was still anti Trump,

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<v Speaker 4>he would say stuff like, well, I believe like some

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<v Speaker 4>of his policies in the Middle East are good. His dissertation,

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<v Speaker 4>A big part of it is the idea that aggression

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<v Speaker 4>towards others other is like the great social glue for

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<v Speaker 4>a nation state. So Christ, Yeah, it's very strange for

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<v Speaker 4>like a you know, this supposedly progressive guy who I

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<v Speaker 4>genuinely do believe think he does economically want better things possible,

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<v Speaker 4>and you consider like the where he came from and stuff.

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<v Speaker 4>Intellectually he does believe some of this stuff. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>he wrote his old dissertation about how like, uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>war and hate towards others is like a societal glue.

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<v Speaker 2>It's also I don't mean to attack people's physical ability,

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<v Speaker 2>but like mo' meant to be scared. What do you mate,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, just like.

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<v Speaker 1>It looks like his bone will snap if you just

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<v Speaker 1>like blow at him.

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<v Speaker 2>Also he seems sickly, all right, So number two we

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<v Speaker 2>must rebel against the tyranny of the apps. Is the

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<v Speaker 2>iPhone our greatest creative, if not crowning achievement as a

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<v Speaker 2>civilization fucking out, get an editor, mate, the object has

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<v Speaker 2>changed their lives. It may also now be limiting and

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<v Speaker 2>constraining our sense of the possible. What yeah, I can

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<v Speaker 2>I think what's great? Like, what are you fucking talking about? Like? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>the iPhone was a huge deal. Is your argument that

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<v Speaker 2>social networking is scary and bad? Because kind of agree?

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<v Speaker 2>Is your argument that, oh, it's limiting and constraining our

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<v Speaker 2>sense of the possible? I'm guessing this is an AI.

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<v Speaker 4>Thing, right sort of, so he don't. I do not

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<v Speaker 4>recommend doing this. I recently just listened to an interview

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<v Speaker 4>of him the UTX with Barry Weiss, friend of the show.

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<v Speaker 2>Really good, uh mind Master's it was. It was very

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<v Speaker 2>very fun to listen to two genius Yeah, two geniuses

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<v Speaker 2>last in the middle of the science. That awesome.

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<v Speaker 4>But in that he kind of expounds on this idea

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<v Speaker 4>and his his thing is basically, and actually I kind

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<v Speaker 4>of agree with this. We have the best and brightest

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<v Speaker 4>minds in the tech world working on you know, apps

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<v Speaker 4>that where's the nearest sandwich or something? Right, these these

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<v Speaker 4>are people that could be doing something that kind of

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<v Speaker 4>goes back to his original point of like civic duty.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, his interpretation of what civic duty or what

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<v Speaker 4>could better this country is is probably different from minding yours,

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<v Speaker 4>but it is logically congruent. I also think that, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>if you understand like the tradition that he came up intellectually.

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<v Speaker 4>He goes to study under Hobermus uh German philosopher the

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<v Speaker 4>connected to the Frankfort School. He understands these kind of

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<v Speaker 4>like social theories and frameworks that he kind of appropriates

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<v Speaker 4>a little bit. And Hobbarbas's whole thing was he's like

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<v Speaker 4>the first forum guy in history. His whole point was

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<v Speaker 4>we can only reason through the world by arguing, And

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<v Speaker 4>that's the guy who Karp wanted to have mentor his dissertation.

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<v Speaker 2>He didn't.

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<v Speaker 4>Of course that's kind of a misunderstanding, but that's the

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<v Speaker 4>framework through which he's viewing everything. So Hobbamus also would

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<v Speaker 4>say early technology takes people's ability to argue, to go

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<v Speaker 4>to cafes and talk about and participate how society should

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<v Speaker 4>look and work. So that critique of technology is also

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<v Speaker 4>part of what Karp is trying to say here.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm just gonna say something that's very woke, But wow,

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<v Speaker 2>is that a dude's opinion. Wow, is that just like,

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<v Speaker 2>can you imagine a woman walking around just like arguing

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<v Speaker 2>with people and not being killed within like one week.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't mean this. I mean this just like, based

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<v Speaker 2>on every conversation I've had with a woman, like, it

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<v Speaker 2>appears that like the world that a woman lives in,

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<v Speaker 2>and people of color as well, Like it is a

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<v Speaker 2>very white guy thing to expect. Like if you just

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<v Speaker 2>go around arguing as a woman, you're framed as emotional

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<v Speaker 2>and crazed. If you're a person of color, you're violent

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<v Speaker 2>and argumentative. But a white guy, well you're just it's

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<v Speaker 2>the marketplace of ideas.

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<v Speaker 1>Fucking he just wants to be a great man. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just then, father.

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<v Speaker 4>Was abros father was an advisor to the Nazi Party,

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<v Speaker 4>and he himself was Hitler.

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<v Speaker 1>You he was Alex carp studied under him. Well right, right,

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<v Speaker 1>he goes.

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<v Speaker 4>It's actually very funny. Morat Weigel, who founded a logic

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<v Speaker 4>magazine I believe is what it's called. And she's a

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<v Speaker 4>very brilliant writer. She kind of like dissected his whole

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<v Speaker 4>career because for a lot of long time, a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of people thought, oh he studied her under Hobermus, he's

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<v Speaker 4>like this, he's connected to the Frankfurt School and this

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<v Speaker 4>and that. Well that's like partly true. He did go

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<v Speaker 4>there and he did have many conversations, but he tried

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<v Speaker 4>to write this dissertation about aggression a bunch of other

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<v Speaker 4>things too. That it's very jargony literally, and Hobbs said

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<v Speaker 4>explicitly to him, he faxed him a three page takedown

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<v Speaker 4>of his one of his first drafts with his dissertation

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<v Speaker 4>that says, you are not like interesting enough to ever

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<v Speaker 4>be taken seriously on this, he won't even be able

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<v Speaker 4>to compete with like literary critics. And it's it was

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<v Speaker 4>so bad that Hobbramus said, I will not mentor you

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<v Speaker 4>for your dissertation.

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<v Speaker 2>And that yes, Alex Carr, and that is so funny. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that's so good.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah shit, And this definitely is a sticking point for him.

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<v Speaker 4>He did eulogize recently and he did talk about that

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<v Speaker 4>how the pain of that like stuck with him. Of

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<v Speaker 4>course it's stung, but he was like, I was actually

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<v Speaker 4>grateful because it was like, you know, this foundational moment

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<v Speaker 4>for me for like realizing that I would never be

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<v Speaker 4>like an academic and I had to become a builder

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<v Speaker 4>or something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just I don't know. I'm like. The other thing is,

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<v Speaker 2>is you hear something like that. Every great autist story

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<v Speaker 2>you hear like that usually ends with them continuing that.

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<v Speaker 2>I like, yeah, I believe in my job.

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<v Speaker 4>Didn't make the team, but he did, you know, go

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<v Speaker 4>to bulls or Brian Wilson got the F in music class,

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<v Speaker 4>but wrote pet sounds He and just then decided to

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<v Speaker 4>make like Hitler Sales Force.

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<v Speaker 2>Just a very specific period of time as well. Gino

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<v Speaker 2>Smith said, they wrote me off. I didn't write back.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's not think about eighteen months. Yeah, let's not think

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<v Speaker 2>about the next part that anyway. Let's move on to

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<v Speaker 2>point number three. Free email is not enough. The decadence

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<v Speaker 2>of a cultural civilization and indeed it's ruling class, will

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<v Speaker 2>be forgiven only if that culture is capable of delivering

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<v Speaker 2>economic growth and security for the public. I was with

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<v Speaker 2>him right up until that word security. Mom When I

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<v Speaker 2>hear the word security, I'm like, Oh, you don't mean

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<v Speaker 2>social services, do you?

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<v Speaker 1>No? No, no, no, no no. I do find this

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<v Speaker 1>when interesting overall, though, because I think you're right up

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<v Speaker 1>until that last moment. But I think it's like a

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<v Speaker 1>sort of admission on some level that he knows that

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<v Speaker 1>there is like some sort of level of revolts against

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<v Speaker 1>the liken like techno billionaire class and that they're like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like like we're like. I think it's interesting

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<v Speaker 1>that he is at least aware that something has to

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<v Speaker 1>be done, like a little bit more than just like oh,

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<v Speaker 1>you can talk on chat GPT or whatever. But but again,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, I think, especially as we continue to go

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<v Speaker 1>through this, I think a through line of all of

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<v Speaker 1>this is how military, like, how militaristic minded it is,

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<v Speaker 1>and like heart power and like sort of like I

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<v Speaker 1>would say techno fascist or tech techno feudal or whatever

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<v Speaker 1>you want to like, whatever word you want to use

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<v Speaker 1>for this.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I'm not trying to to like, well, actually, you June,

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<v Speaker 4>A lot of people will say techno fascism, and like,

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<v Speaker 4>if you were to, like, I don't know, useumberto echoes,

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<v Speaker 4>you are a fascism framework for this. It checks boxes

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<v Speaker 4>for sure. I would just say that, like maybe the

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<v Speaker 4>way I think the better way to frame this is

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<v Speaker 4>for for Alex Carp's thinking is like a Cold War

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<v Speaker 4>style liberal.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, you know what I mean? You expand on it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, so, yeah, go on, I think I might know

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<v Speaker 2>what you made.

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<v Speaker 4>But because he's essentially saying the tech industry needs to

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<v Speaker 4>become the new defense sector and we.

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<v Speaker 2>Have great enemies, right, you know what I mean? I

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<v Speaker 2>think that there is very serious concerns. I'm not saying

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<v Speaker 2>it's good or better. It's just you know, when you

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<v Speaker 2>think of like what.

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<v Speaker 4>Fascism is and what he's working for, I just think

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<v Speaker 4>that if you're interested in having a clear out understanding

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<v Speaker 4>of what he's saying so you can take it down better,

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<v Speaker 4>it's I think that's maybe a little bit better of

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<v Speaker 4>a framework, is all.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean. I think you're right. I think it's in

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<v Speaker 1>this as well. Later on he talks about explicitly how

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<v Speaker 1>the previous era is ending, the post atomic era is ending,

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<v Speaker 1>and how this is like the new AI era, and

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<v Speaker 1>of course he wants to be on the ground floor

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<v Speaker 1>of that. He wants to have that control on that

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<v Speaker 1>level with him and his buddies.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, So number four, the limits of soft power

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<v Speaker 2>of soaring rhetoric alone have been exposed. The ability of

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<v Speaker 2>free and democratic societies to prevail requires something more than

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<v Speaker 2>moral appeal. It requires hard power. And hard power in

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<v Speaker 2>this century will be built on software. Very self serving. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>just like, ah, you know something's not working. But this

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<v Speaker 2>other thing that I make, what do you think what

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<v Speaker 2>that one is? Just like, yeah, that one is built

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<v Speaker 2>to be into that. It reminds me of every college

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<v Speaker 2>philosophy student I've ever made, where they say things that

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<v Speaker 2>are built to kind of tweak your brain and go, damn,

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<v Speaker 2>that guy's smart when you actually think about them. Don't

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<v Speaker 2>mean a single fucking thing. What do you mean soft power?

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<v Speaker 2>Because if the argument was falling into the trap here,

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<v Speaker 2>if the argument was that the korum alone doesn't work, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that's true if your thing is just someone will obey

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<v Speaker 2>the rules always. Yeah, Trump has proven that isn't the

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<v Speaker 2>case of just ignore it. I don't think that's what

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<v Speaker 2>he means. I think what he's saying is that saying

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<v Speaker 2>you have guns isn't enough. You need evil salesforce Like

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<v Speaker 2>that's that really doesn't feel to be And yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know. I just I read this sentence. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>this guy's fucking stupid.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like. The interesting thing about this too, is because

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<v Speaker 1>most people generally don't like palant here and they never

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<v Speaker 1>say what the company itself is. If you read this

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<v Speaker 1>and don't quite know what this is, it makes it

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<v Speaker 1>sound like they're like a weapons manufacturer, Like the way

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<v Speaker 1>they're talking about like hard power, this will be the

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<v Speaker 1>hard power that we need to rule the next century.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's like, I mean, obviously they work with the CIA,

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<v Speaker 1>they work with Israel. They do have these connections in

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<v Speaker 1>these very hard power states where they are just very

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<v Speaker 1>fine with triple tapping children's elementary schools in Iran, and

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<v Speaker 1>they're like, eh, I mean ethics, who I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>about that? Like who cares? We shouldn't care about that. That's

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<v Speaker 1>that's weak thinking, that's soft thinking. So I think that's

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<v Speaker 1>like a part of it there too. But it's also

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<v Speaker 1>like no one knows what this is, like no one,

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<v Speaker 1>no one knows this, this isn't I think on a

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<v Speaker 1>level they're sort of drinking their own kool aid in

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<v Speaker 1>a sense of just like how much of this will

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<v Speaker 1>be like the next atomic era. I do think a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of this is dangerous, especially with propaganda, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like the amount of propaganda you can do just like

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<v Speaker 1>blast out with AI generally or some of this stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think they're I mean he's trying to huff.

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<v Speaker 1>He's trying to get everyone to huff his own glue

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<v Speaker 1>at the same time.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's funny you'd mentioned the AI weapons thing, because

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<v Speaker 2>the next one, number five is the question is not

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<v Speaker 2>whether AI weapons will be built, it's who will build

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<v Speaker 2>them and for what purpose. Our adversaries will not pause

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<v Speaker 2>to indulge in theatrical debates about the merits of developing

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<v Speaker 2>technologies with critical military and national security applications. They will proceed.

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<v Speaker 2>So what's great about this is we do know who's

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<v Speaker 2>building them Anderill, we do know how that's going poorly,

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<v Speaker 2>badly enough that ANDREL had to pull out of Ukraine. Sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean they were kicked out.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't.

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<v Speaker 2>And also, yeah, numerous government agencies water journal support. There's

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<v Speaker 2>also they lose billions of dollars. But that's cool. I

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<v Speaker 2>guess it's just like it's like, it's not a question

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<v Speaker 2>whether AI weapons. Yeah, they're being built already. That happened already,

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<v Speaker 2>And it's nothing to do with generative AI. It's nothing

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<v Speaker 2>to do with large language models. If he had the

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<v Speaker 2>large language model trying and control something, it wouldn't move

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<v Speaker 2>because they can't do it. It would be a fucking

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<v Speaker 2>huge pain in the ass. But let's move on to

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<v Speaker 2>number six. National service should be a universal duty. We

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<v Speaker 2>should as a society seriously consider moving away from an

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<v Speaker 2>all volunteer force and only fight the next war if

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<v Speaker 2>everyone shares in the risk and cost. Dude, what are

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<v Speaker 2>you fucking talking? We do sharing the costs. Also, also

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<v Speaker 2>we do share in the cost we pay taxes.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's even dude, I think it's even sinister. Though,

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<v Speaker 1>I think he's talking about the Israeli IDF conscription system.

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<v Speaker 1>He wants everyone I think that's what he's saying here

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<v Speaker 1>to be involved in the military or or like auxiliary

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<v Speaker 1>to it in the way that Israel is because like

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<v Speaker 1>you know how it is whenever you talk about like

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<v Speaker 1>I keep bringing up Israel because I think I think

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of this At least when I read this,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, oh my god, this is like Israeli playbook

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<v Speaker 1>on so many different levels here, especially this one where

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<v Speaker 1>it's like everyone is involved in the war crimes. So like,

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<v Speaker 1>if you talk to any person from Israel, most of

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<v Speaker 1>the time they'll be like, well, my family was on

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<v Speaker 1>the idea. If you can't hate all of the idea,

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<v Speaker 1>if you can't hate all Israelis, but they were all

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<v Speaker 1>in the IDF. It's like, that's sort of I think

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<v Speaker 1>the buy in that he wants the country to have.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the point. I think a lot of this

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<v Speaker 1>was really bad when I was first reading this, but

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<v Speaker 1>I got the point six and I was like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>a palanteer is sort of like they should be viewed

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<v Speaker 1>as an enemy of modern society. They want us to

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<v Speaker 1>go to like a wartime economy. They want us to

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<v Speaker 1>like move towards this idea that every like war time

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<v Speaker 1>is normal and it should be good because it benefits

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<v Speaker 1>their bottom line.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's the thing I've read a decent amount of people,

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<v Speaker 2>decent amount of people that's saying that Silicon Valley's trying

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<v Speaker 2>to jump into defense because they're running out of shit

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<v Speaker 2>to sell. Yeah, Google just signed a deal with I

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<v Speaker 2>think some part I think there's some part of the

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<v Speaker 2>government maybe I need to look of at CBP have it.

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<v Speaker 2>But like they just signed a secretive deal and five

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<v Speaker 2>hundred people signed a petition.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's like, we're not in the business of surveillance.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's like, bitch, what do you think this is.

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<v Speaker 2>Other than other than every Google ad product.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they're fine with that. Surveillance, but okay, surveillance.

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<v Speaker 2>Number seven is a classic. If a US marine asks

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<v Speaker 2>for a better rifle, we should build it, Which is

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<v Speaker 2>really funny if you know a single thing about the

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<v Speaker 2>government's relationship with gun companies, considering that, I forget that

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<v Speaker 2>there was a specific gun built for the military that

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<v Speaker 2>just did not work out, Like that's happened many times before. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's like, but also, we should try as a company. Sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>we should try as a country. We should, as a country,

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<v Speaker 2>Jesus Christ, be capable of continuing a debate about the

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<v Speaker 2>appropriateness of military action abroad while remaining unflinching in our

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<v Speaker 2>commitment to those we have asked a step into harm's way. Sure,

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<v Speaker 2>it's fine.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, he's so sucking there. He's like, yeah, we'll

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<v Speaker 1>do better. We'll be just like the military.

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<v Speaker 2>Public Number right, Public servants need to need not be

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<v Speaker 2>our priests. Any business that compensated his employees in the

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<v Speaker 2>way that the federal government compensates public service servants would

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<v Speaker 2>struggle to survive.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, what do you mean? My My interpretation here is,

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<v Speaker 1>do you remember when Elon Musk bought Twitter? And it

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<v Speaker 1>was this sort of pandemonium, and he was like, you

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<v Speaker 1>guys have to work for twelve hours, you have to

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<v Speaker 1>sleep here. If you don't do these things, we're laying

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<v Speaker 1>you off. This is like, this is this is going

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<v Speaker 1>to be hard, actual real work. Like no more sitting

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<v Speaker 1>around on bouncy balls anymore. No no bouncing on those

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<v Speaker 1>bounty balls in the office anymore. This is like, this

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<v Speaker 1>is what you do to get Really, it's like basically

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<v Speaker 1>what he's think. I think what he's trying to say

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<v Speaker 1>is that's just going to be the norm. That should

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<v Speaker 1>be the norm, and maybe tech companies, but more broadly

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<v Speaker 1>that that should be like the line of thinking for

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<v Speaker 1>people that own companies at the top. This should be

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<v Speaker 1>the like top down approach to run a company efficiently.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think he might also be saying that public

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<v Speaker 2>servants are on the page, which I kind of agree with.

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<v Speaker 1>I see. I think he's as long.

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<v Speaker 2>As you're not in Congress and have stocks, in which

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<v Speaker 2>case you'll overcome and sate.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he's sort of low key shitting on the

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<v Speaker 1>government as a whole here.

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<v Speaker 2>He's doing that.

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<v Speaker 4>He's also targeting academia. He talks about his since like

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<v Speaker 4>the I think his like schism from a lot of

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<v Speaker 4>things comes from like the campus protests at post October seventh,

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<v Speaker 4>and he has since I mean, if you listen, don't

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<v Speaker 4>but if you do listen to that Barry Wise conversation,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, he talks about, you know, this a lot

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<v Speaker 4>to the you know, a bunch of farm animal sounds

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<v Speaker 4>from the crowd because.

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<v Speaker 2>About how like, you know.

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<v Speaker 4>We can't college He's basically his, oh well, you can't

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<v Speaker 4>have like queer interpretive dance therapy classes if the government

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<v Speaker 4>is going to pay for it. And you know, these

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<v Speaker 4>college professors are trying to you know, if we're giving

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<v Speaker 4>them public funds, we have to kind of hold them

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<v Speaker 4>to a different standard and stuff like that too. So

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<v Speaker 4>I think it definitely applies to bureaucrats. But just it's

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<v Speaker 4>important to remember that he hates he's he hates woke

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<v Speaker 4>college campuses or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>I knew he was like sort of nominally pro Israel.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, they've palunteers worked with Israel for so I

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<v Speaker 1>knew that, but dreams I didn't realize he made such

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<v Speaker 1>an explicit turn from like sort of I guess it

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<v Speaker 1>sounds like a liberal Zionism to a very hard line,

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<v Speaker 1>sort of far right type Zionism in the last couple

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<v Speaker 1>of years. I was not aware of that shift of his.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I support Irish Zionism.

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<v Speaker 1>From colnor Melly, I started, Uh, don't worry. I started

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<v Speaker 1>doing my own blanket tours a couple of weeks ago.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't worry.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So moving on, non beniine, non benine. We should

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<v Speaker 2>show far more grace towards those who have subjected themselves

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<v Speaker 2>to public life. The eradication of any space for forgiveness,

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<v Speaker 2>a jettisoning of any tolerance for the complexities and contradictions

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<v Speaker 2>of the human psyche, may leave us with the cast

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<v Speaker 2>of characters of the helm we will grow to regret.

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<v Speaker 2>Just to be clear, last year, Alex carp suggested that

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<v Speaker 2>analysts that disagree with Palante should be sprayed with ventanal

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<v Speaker 2>laced urine from drones. It's just the same guys.

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<v Speaker 1>So hard. It's so hard with cancel culture, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's really.

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<v Speaker 2>With these big, fucking tough guys who've got some tough

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<v Speaker 2>some strong and big and tough. Don't put my feetlings,

0:25:33.920 --> 0:25:37.480
<v Speaker 2>don't mean to me, Okay, have some forgiveness, you piece

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<v Speaker 2>of fucking shit.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's really hard on us when you press

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<v Speaker 1>the button Neckells one hundred and eighty school children. Have

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<v Speaker 1>you thought about us? Have you really just thought about

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<v Speaker 1>that when you criticize us for doing that, how that

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<v Speaker 1>makes us feel?

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<v Speaker 2>Have you thought about the fact that I'm worth so

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<v Speaker 2>much money, and I make money constantly. The things I

0:25:55.680 --> 0:25:58.639
<v Speaker 2>make money for kill people. And I go out and

0:25:58.680 --> 0:26:00.960
<v Speaker 2>I say noxious, horrible things all the time, and the

0:26:01.000 --> 0:26:03.040
<v Speaker 2>people that I powder around with are horrible too, and

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<v Speaker 2>they say equally noxious, if not more noxious things. And

0:26:06.359 --> 0:26:09.520
<v Speaker 2>I'm disgusting and mean and cruel. In everything I do

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<v Speaker 2>and say. I encourage people to act in the same way.

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<v Speaker 2>Have you considered for a second that if you were

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<v Speaker 2>not mean to me, things would be better.

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<v Speaker 1>It drives me crazy how all of these people are

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<v Speaker 1>are simultaneously tough guys but the whiniest, the biggest babies

0:26:26.520 --> 0:26:29.880
<v Speaker 1>of all time. I shot someone online talked about like, yeah, wow.

0:26:29.920 --> 0:26:32.479
<v Speaker 1>Ever since Trump became elected, I've noticed that like all

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<v Speaker 1>of a sudden, all of a sudden, right wingers whine

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<v Speaker 1>a lot, and it's like, motherfucker, They've always been like this,

0:26:38.160 --> 0:26:41.200
<v Speaker 1>like this is their They're they're operating like, this is

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<v Speaker 1>how they operate. This is what they do. They whine.

0:26:43.400 --> 0:26:45.680
<v Speaker 1>They whine until they get what they want. They whine

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<v Speaker 1>about getting what they want.

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<v Speaker 2>I forget was I think it's Caleb Pitts. Maybe he

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<v Speaker 2>has a great stand up comedy thing where he's walking

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<v Speaker 2>around he bold guy, and he has eight shit tattooed

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<v Speaker 2>in his head and he looks like the camera goes,

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<v Speaker 2>guess who just got it kicked out of a cafe

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<v Speaker 2>for beer. Wh Yeah, I love it's just that every day.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I think that this one and into the next

0:27:08.960 --> 0:27:11.000
<v Speaker 4>point to are kind of connected in that kind of

0:27:11.000 --> 0:27:15.159
<v Speaker 4>harbromous sense of like you have to be able to

0:27:15.320 --> 0:27:18.199
<v Speaker 4>like discourse, you have to be able to debate and

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<v Speaker 4>fight on the forms of people that you disagree with,

0:27:20.760 --> 0:27:23.040
<v Speaker 4>and like if you cancel your opponents, you'll have no

0:27:23.040 --> 0:27:26.160
<v Speaker 4>one left to argue with, right, And that argument is

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not I'm joking a little bit, but that is

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<v Speaker 4>like essentral to his like core idological belief.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's it's amazing how many people like get Twitter

0:27:35.600 --> 0:27:38.399
<v Speaker 1>psychosists and bring it out into like everything they do

0:27:38.480 --> 0:27:40.840
<v Speaker 1>in real life. It's it's astounding.

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<v Speaker 2>So point number ten as we've hitted. The psychologization of

0:27:46.600 --> 0:27:49.560
<v Speaker 2>modern politics is leading us astray. Those who look to

0:27:49.560 --> 0:27:52.480
<v Speaker 2>the political arena to nourish their soul and sense of self,

0:27:52.680 --> 0:27:55.440
<v Speaker 2>who rely too heavily on their internal life finding expression

0:27:55.480 --> 0:27:57.800
<v Speaker 2>in people they have never met, will be left disappointed.

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<v Speaker 2>M Well, well, I mean I gave him that one,

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<v Speaker 2>but also I'm not sure he realizes the actual problem.

0:28:07.400 --> 0:28:10.200
<v Speaker 1>When I when I read this, Have you guys seen

0:28:10.440 --> 0:28:14.320
<v Speaker 1>this new phrase that's been that's Elon Musk helped blow

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<v Speaker 1>up in the last year or so, the suicidal empathy thing?

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<v Speaker 1>Have you had? You guys? See? It's basically this concept

0:28:22.160 --> 0:28:25.040
<v Speaker 1>where that if you care too much about other people,

0:28:25.440 --> 0:28:29.480
<v Speaker 1>you will always like like. The way it's traditionally used

0:28:29.560 --> 0:28:32.200
<v Speaker 1>is like, oh, you care about Palestinian people, you think

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<v Speaker 1>that they should have rights, But have you thought about

0:28:33.880 --> 0:28:38.000
<v Speaker 1>white people like You're you're sacrificing white people for like

0:28:38.040 --> 0:28:40.760
<v Speaker 1>thinking about like trans rights. Trans rights are taking so

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<v Speaker 1>much away from like sis people. It's basically the concept

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<v Speaker 1>of if you care so much about other people, you

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<v Speaker 1>will shrink the majority white like rights. Essentially a completely.

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<v Speaker 2>I think not people who have too much and the

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<v Speaker 2>people who have to it or would have similar amounts

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<v Speaker 2>of stuff. Whoa whoa, whoa whoa whoa?

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<v Speaker 1>What if I want adjacent to like white supremacy and

0:29:06.760 --> 0:29:09.400
<v Speaker 1>like the great replacement theory, it's like super adjacent to

0:29:09.440 --> 0:29:11.440
<v Speaker 1>all that type of ship. But I just can't help

0:29:11.480 --> 0:29:14.000
<v Speaker 1>but think of this. It's like, you know, I think, Caleb,

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<v Speaker 1>your one hundred percent right, it's adjacent to number nine

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<v Speaker 1>in that in that same way that you were atligning before.

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<v Speaker 1>But I also think it's it's sort of this thing

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<v Speaker 1>where it's like we can't really care about people too much.

0:29:23.960 --> 0:29:26.520
<v Speaker 1>We really can't care about the consequences that might hurt,

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<v Speaker 1>like I don't know, gay people or whoever. Like that's

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<v Speaker 1>like sort of that's that's missing the forest for the

0:29:31.760 --> 0:29:33.920
<v Speaker 1>trees for them is like what they're thinking.

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<v Speaker 2>Eleven point eleven is our society has grown too eager

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<v Speaker 2>to hasten and is often gleeful at the demise of

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<v Speaker 2>its enemies.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly all of these are yeah of.

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<v Speaker 2>An opponent is a moment to pause, not rejoice. Well,

0:29:49.440 --> 0:29:54.560
<v Speaker 2>have you talked to your customers about this? You have you?

0:29:54.640 --> 0:29:58.280
<v Speaker 2>Have you done a little bit of customer experience work?

0:29:58.320 --> 0:30:02.960
<v Speaker 2>Alex not sure customers would agree. It's also just like

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<v Speaker 2>very funny, because this is someone who loves his enemy

0:30:05.640 --> 0:30:09.320
<v Speaker 2>is suffering. He loves, he takes glee in the suffering

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<v Speaker 2>of those he disagrees with.

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<v Speaker 4>In that saying Berry Weiss interview, he I think the

0:30:15.360 --> 0:30:16.840
<v Speaker 4>term that he used when I may be wrong, but

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<v Speaker 4>no one's gonna listen is to correct me anyway, sat Safe.

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<v Speaker 4>He said something along the lines of like America should

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<v Speaker 4>take pride when it uses force because we're a just

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<v Speaker 4>nation or something.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my God, Jesus Christ. Okay, I feel like that

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<v Speaker 2>word pride probably not something that come out of his mouth.

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<v Speaker 1>M it's also just wild, especially this year, as recent

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<v Speaker 1>as of like three months ago. And and I think

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<v Speaker 1>the reason for this is he doesn't view these people

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<v Speaker 1>like as enemies, even though you know the way that ICE.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm talking about the way that ICE uses Pallenteer to

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<v Speaker 1>like find find people to depart, scans regions, and I

0:30:56.520 --> 0:30:59.800
<v Speaker 1>think they use like some face scanning system in their database.

0:31:00.200 --> 0:31:03.040
<v Speaker 1>ICE has as well where it's like people are so

0:31:03.240 --> 0:31:06.160
<v Speaker 1>gleeful whenever people get departed, they're fucking over the moon.

0:31:06.200 --> 0:31:09.040
<v Speaker 1>They post about it. The government accounts on social media

0:31:09.080 --> 0:31:12.760
<v Speaker 1>post like epic Aura gen Z brain rot edits about

0:31:12.920 --> 0:31:17.720
<v Speaker 1>about depicts so embarrassing, but agree, but I think to

0:31:17.800 --> 0:31:20.160
<v Speaker 1>finish this thought, they don't see that as like demise

0:31:20.160 --> 0:31:23.640
<v Speaker 1>of enemies. That is not what I think they think.

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<v Speaker 4>But go on, Sorry, yeah, yeah, you're you're You're totally fine.

0:31:26.040 --> 0:31:29.320
<v Speaker 4>I'm not saying I agree with Kart, but specifically about Ice,

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<v Speaker 4>his point was, you know, if you are somebody who's

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<v Speaker 4>concerned with this, you would want volunteer did to succeed,

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<v Speaker 4>because then that means we only deport people who deserve it,

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<v Speaker 4>who have done cross.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, fuck it.

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<v Speaker 4>So again, I'm just saying I'm not saying I agree that.

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<v Speaker 4>What I am saying is it matters because he does

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<v Speaker 4>believe he's high on his own supply.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no, I think you're so right. I always go

0:31:50.640 --> 0:31:53.800
<v Speaker 1>back and forth on whether these tech people truly believe

0:31:53.840 --> 0:31:57.480
<v Speaker 1>the things that they say. I think Elon Musk probably

0:31:57.520 --> 0:31:59.880
<v Speaker 1>on most degrees does. I think he bullshits a lot.

0:31:59.920 --> 0:32:01.720
<v Speaker 1>But I think I think you're right. I think just

0:32:01.800 --> 0:32:04.040
<v Speaker 1>in this recording, I think you've completely convinced me that

0:32:04.080 --> 0:32:07.280
<v Speaker 1>Alex Karp absolutely there are.

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<v Speaker 4>Some elements of cynicism to this, but most of this

0:32:09.680 --> 0:32:10.880
<v Speaker 4>I think he does believe, and I would SA, I

0:32:10.880 --> 0:32:12.680
<v Speaker 4>would agree with you on Elon when he's talking about

0:32:12.680 --> 0:32:14.520
<v Speaker 4>how like empathy is a bug or something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not a psychologist and I'm not even trying to

0:32:18.080 --> 0:32:20.640
<v Speaker 4>do that smart. But he has this kind of like

0:32:20.680 --> 0:32:24.000
<v Speaker 4>an attachment style because of his abusive father that I

0:32:24.040 --> 0:32:28.720
<v Speaker 4>think necessitates that he sort of intellectualized or abstracts concepts

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<v Speaker 4>like empathy to such a degree that he would say,

0:32:31.480 --> 0:32:34.320
<v Speaker 4>you know, I have empathy from mankind, but not on

0:32:34.360 --> 0:32:36.960
<v Speaker 4>the individual, and it's a societal bug, right.

0:32:36.760 --> 0:32:40.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so it's a weakness, a sign of weakness, yeah, empathy.

0:32:39.960 --> 0:32:44.120
<v Speaker 4>Correct, because because he can't, he can't negotiate with or

0:32:44.160 --> 0:32:47.160
<v Speaker 4>engage with with empathy like a person who hasn't experienced

0:32:47.160 --> 0:32:48.880
<v Speaker 4>abuse from a terrible father could, right.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I don't feel like Elon believes in anything.

0:32:53.000 --> 0:32:57.040
<v Speaker 2>I genuinely think that he always I think the oh.

0:32:57.080 --> 0:33:00.239
<v Speaker 2>I think he has deep seated racism, I truly, and

0:33:00.280 --> 0:33:03.160
<v Speaker 2>he's a sexist, absolutely, But I don't think he's sitting

0:33:03.200 --> 0:33:07.960
<v Speaker 2>there and is like could explain all sorts of deep

0:33:09.360 --> 0:33:12.800
<v Speaker 2>sincere thoughts. I think it's whatever would get him what

0:33:12.880 --> 0:33:15.560
<v Speaker 2>he wanted. If there was a Democrat and power giving

0:33:15.600 --> 0:33:19.840
<v Speaker 2>him everything he wanted. He would be the word Well

0:33:19.920 --> 0:33:29.760
<v Speaker 2>I mean I said democrat, uh political, Yeah, there we go. No,

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<v Speaker 2>And it's just it's just I've watched this this guy

0:33:32.920 --> 0:33:35.360
<v Speaker 2>for years and just he used to be an epic

0:33:35.400 --> 0:33:39.320
<v Speaker 2>bacon science guy. Yeah, he was an epic bacon science guy.

0:33:40.080 --> 0:33:43.000
<v Speaker 2>And he's he's now just like he sits online with

0:33:43.040 --> 0:33:46.120
<v Speaker 2>too much maybeing like I, well, yes, yes, horses, he

0:33:46.120 --> 0:33:49.200
<v Speaker 2>had fifty two. I agree, there's time for the great cleansing.

0:33:50.320 --> 0:33:54.040
<v Speaker 2>It's just and even with this list, it's like Alex

0:33:54.120 --> 0:33:57.600
<v Speaker 2>carp you run a software company. Mate, You're not president,

0:33:58.200 --> 0:34:01.440
<v Speaker 2>You're not even a politician. You got like you didn't

0:34:01.440 --> 0:34:05.560
<v Speaker 2>get into racism school, Like I like what, like who

0:34:05.600 --> 0:34:08.080
<v Speaker 2>gives a fuck what you think? You make? Evil sales force?

0:34:08.920 --> 0:34:11.160
<v Speaker 2>Like so, okay, numbers.

0:34:11.239 --> 0:34:13.640
<v Speaker 1>Is maybe a better question for the end. But I've

0:34:14.040 --> 0:34:17.200
<v Speaker 1>I've just been thinking why we're only halfway through, but like,

0:34:17.320 --> 0:34:21.479
<v Speaker 1>why did they post this? Like it's a like they're

0:34:21.520 --> 0:34:22.279
<v Speaker 1>trying to make like.

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<v Speaker 2>From the I can actually tell you so from a

0:34:25.640 --> 0:34:28.759
<v Speaker 2>client perspective, this is some ship that you're sent at

0:34:28.800 --> 0:34:31.080
<v Speaker 2>five in the morning on a Sunday or a Saturday,

0:34:31.320 --> 0:34:34.000
<v Speaker 2>like a Sunday morning. You get this and the client's like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna put this up on Monday. We'll put this,

0:34:36.680 --> 0:34:39.640
<v Speaker 2>We'll put that Soday, April eighteenth. This is posted. Let's

0:34:39.640 --> 0:34:43.600
<v Speaker 2>see what day this was. Okay, oh fuck yeah. This

0:34:43.719 --> 0:34:47.239
<v Speaker 2>is posted on a Saturday surday on a Friday. So yeah,

0:34:47.480 --> 0:34:49.920
<v Speaker 2>some poor PR person got a fuck it an email

0:34:50.360 --> 0:34:53.600
<v Speaker 2>Friday at like seven pm, eight pm and he's at

0:34:53.680 --> 0:34:55.839
<v Speaker 2>he's like with his wife and kids, trying to eat dinner.

0:34:55.880 --> 0:34:58.799
<v Speaker 2>He's like, I'm going to post this tomorrow. I'm going

0:34:58.840 --> 0:35:02.560
<v Speaker 2>to post this. It was posted at eleven forty five am. Okay,

0:35:02.640 --> 0:35:05.960
<v Speaker 2>So so okay, so you're talking like it was like

0:35:06.040 --> 0:35:11.520
<v Speaker 2>eight forty five am Eastern Pacific. Anyway, putting all that aside,

0:35:11.560 --> 0:35:13.880
<v Speaker 2>so this was just I'm going to post this tomorrow.

0:35:13.960 --> 0:35:16.200
<v Speaker 2>And the guy was probably like, well, Alex, it's not

0:35:16.239 --> 0:35:18.799
<v Speaker 2>got any formatting or numbers. It's just a block of text.

0:35:18.800 --> 0:35:20.359
<v Speaker 2>We should at least put it in a numbered list.

0:35:20.400 --> 0:35:26.200
<v Speaker 2>Go well, okay, okay, I need to post this now,

0:35:26.560 --> 0:35:29.760
<v Speaker 2>post it tomorrow. And it was probably the thought was, Okay,

0:35:29.800 --> 0:35:32.919
<v Speaker 2>this guy on a Saturday, I can convince it. Yeah,

0:35:32.920 --> 0:35:35.280
<v Speaker 2>you should post it. Immediately on the Saturday, so everyone

0:35:35.280 --> 0:35:39.080
<v Speaker 2>missed it. Except the problem is is there. Everyone saw

0:35:39.120 --> 0:35:41.879
<v Speaker 2>it because it's the fucking pound to account. But it's

0:35:41.960 --> 0:35:43.919
<v Speaker 2>just no, this is a this is client's gone wild.

0:35:44.880 --> 0:35:47.279
<v Speaker 2>This is client. Client has an idea that they are

0:35:47.320 --> 0:35:50.080
<v Speaker 2>one hundred. You could client sends you something like this,

0:35:50.440 --> 0:35:52.839
<v Speaker 2>You could not talk them away from it. You put

0:35:52.840 --> 0:35:54.520
<v Speaker 2>a gun to their head, they'll they'll say, kill me.

0:35:56.560 --> 0:35:59.239
<v Speaker 1>Isn't this just a summary of the main points of

0:35:59.520 --> 0:36:02.000
<v Speaker 1>Alex Herp's book that came out like a year ago,

0:36:02.280 --> 0:36:04.440
<v Speaker 1>like thee Yeah, this is a summary. This is a

0:36:04.480 --> 0:36:07.520
<v Speaker 1>summary of one of his books. Essentially realized we had

0:36:07.560 --> 0:36:09.359
<v Speaker 1>a fucking book. Oh he did?

0:36:09.400 --> 0:36:11.600
<v Speaker 2>He Power Soft Belief and.

0:36:14.080 --> 0:36:16.719
<v Speaker 1>It's do you know who that guy is? Caleb? Have

0:36:16.760 --> 0:36:19.720
<v Speaker 1>you ever looked into the Nicholas is a misker?

0:36:19.920 --> 0:36:23.680
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, he's he's there like a legal con He's the lawyer.

0:36:24.880 --> 0:36:26.360
<v Speaker 1>Damn fucking lawyer.

0:36:26.600 --> 0:36:29.400
<v Speaker 2>Honestly, if I was if I worked at Palantinero, I

0:36:29.440 --> 0:36:31.200
<v Speaker 2>was thinking who should co write this? I would say

0:36:31.239 --> 0:36:34.399
<v Speaker 2>a lawyer. I'd be like, yeah, yeah, yeah, you should

0:36:34.440 --> 0:36:38.560
<v Speaker 2>have a lawyer read every word, just in case, especially

0:36:38.560 --> 0:36:41.920
<v Speaker 2>every fourteenth word. If you know what I mean, but okay,

0:36:41.920 --> 0:36:45.360
<v Speaker 2>we move on number twelve. The atomic age is ending

0:36:46.000 --> 0:36:49.320
<v Speaker 2>once an age of the Terrance. The atomic age once

0:36:49.800 --> 0:36:53.400
<v Speaker 2>one age of the Terrance Comma. The atomic age Comma

0:36:53.680 --> 0:36:56.480
<v Speaker 2>is ending Comma, and a new era of the Terrance

0:36:56.480 --> 0:36:58.839
<v Speaker 2>built on AI is set to begin. No, it is

0:36:58.880 --> 0:37:03.160
<v Speaker 2>not just no, no, it's not what are you talking about?

0:37:03.239 --> 0:37:03.759
<v Speaker 2>What do you mean?

0:37:04.560 --> 0:37:04.719
<v Speaker 3>Uh?

0:37:04.760 --> 0:37:10.240
<v Speaker 2>The chat bart Because if we're talking about AI powered databases,

0:37:10.560 --> 0:37:13.120
<v Speaker 2>if we're talking about like databases of people pre crime

0:37:13.200 --> 0:37:17.480
<v Speaker 2>and that we have fucking compass since the eighties. We

0:37:17.520 --> 0:37:21.080
<v Speaker 2>have had algorithms for pre crime. Since the eighties, we

0:37:21.120 --> 0:37:24.279
<v Speaker 2>have had the fucking promise software was the underlying thing

0:37:24.320 --> 0:37:26.480
<v Speaker 2>with back nor stories weld like it's a crazy story.

0:37:27.239 --> 0:37:28.840
<v Speaker 2>You should look at the promise software. You're going to

0:37:28.920 --> 0:37:33.279
<v Speaker 2>see it will ruin your life. Are you fucking I

0:37:32.880 --> 0:37:35.120
<v Speaker 2>have a hobby. For the rest of them, it'll fuck

0:37:35.200 --> 0:37:38.520
<v Speaker 2>you up big time. Big up to my girlfriend for

0:37:38.520 --> 0:37:41.640
<v Speaker 2>telling me on that one that what like we have

0:37:41.719 --> 0:37:44.120
<v Speaker 2>had this already, Like, if we're talking about AI pre

0:37:44.239 --> 0:37:47.080
<v Speaker 2>crime surveillance, we've had this already. What are we talking about?

0:37:47.239 --> 0:37:49.759
<v Speaker 2>But because AIS, then you bing bong that everyone must

0:37:49.880 --> 0:37:53.960
<v Speaker 2>jerk off. It's like Okay, yeah, well now it's that

0:37:54.440 --> 0:37:56.640
<v Speaker 2>you know what, that's a classic client point as well.

0:37:56.920 --> 0:37:59.520
<v Speaker 2>That is actually it's like we need to get this

0:37:59.600 --> 0:38:01.759
<v Speaker 2>is really good point. Yeah, we should add AI at

0:38:01.800 --> 0:38:05.360
<v Speaker 2>the end. What do you mean what do you mean AI?

0:38:05.760 --> 0:38:08.280
<v Speaker 2>I'm not really sure how that What does the AI

0:38:08.400 --> 0:38:12.120
<v Speaker 2>deter how does it? What's it deterrigan? Like it is

0:38:12.160 --> 0:38:14.560
<v Speaker 2>the idea that we'll be able to generate more nudes,

0:38:15.640 --> 0:38:17.799
<v Speaker 2>like but the Chinese already.

0:38:17.680 --> 0:38:22.279
<v Speaker 4>Seen about undetectable deep fakes of Kim Jong. What's the

0:38:22.320 --> 0:38:23.040
<v Speaker 4>what are we doing?

0:38:23.160 --> 0:38:28.920
<v Speaker 2>Like this will be generate epic bacon memes of our adversaries.

0:38:29.200 --> 0:38:34.359
<v Speaker 4>Just this, timing wise, was not that far after when

0:38:34.440 --> 0:38:36.120
<v Speaker 4>you remember you guys, remember this. This is a really

0:38:36.120 --> 0:38:38.400
<v Speaker 4>small blip on the radar, but it's stuck with me.

0:38:39.280 --> 0:38:41.440
<v Speaker 4>Was when they when r FK was like, oh, the

0:38:41.480 --> 0:38:44.719
<v Speaker 4>Department of Health or whatever, we're releasing our own like

0:38:44.840 --> 0:38:46.440
<v Speaker 4>health AI, bod do you remember that?

0:38:46.760 --> 0:38:46.920
<v Speaker 2>No?

0:38:47.000 --> 0:38:47.759
<v Speaker 1>I missed that.

0:38:48.280 --> 0:38:49.960
<v Speaker 4>The first thing I did on there, I was like,

0:38:50.440 --> 0:38:52.400
<v Speaker 4>I asked it what kind of rocks are the most

0:38:52.480 --> 0:38:53.279
<v Speaker 4>nutritious to eat?

0:38:53.280 --> 0:38:55.240
<v Speaker 2>Smiley face, and it gave me a list of rock.

0:38:57.000 --> 0:39:00.920
<v Speaker 1>The age of a Come on, No I think I

0:39:00.960 --> 0:39:04.280
<v Speaker 1>think this, Yeah, this gives the game away that they're like, actually,

0:39:04.360 --> 0:39:06.920
<v Speaker 1>can we have the spotlight now please? Like it's like

0:39:07.200 --> 0:39:09.680
<v Speaker 1>if we get the spotlight, we'll survive as companies. Like

0:39:09.960 --> 0:39:12.479
<v Speaker 1>just keep funneling us all of this money. Keep keep

0:39:12.560 --> 0:39:16.400
<v Speaker 1>keep shoving it over, keep price high. Yeah, like we

0:39:16.480 --> 0:39:16.759
<v Speaker 1>need that.

0:39:17.040 --> 0:39:21.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, keep keep His next point is the funniest. No

0:39:21.600 --> 0:39:23.840
<v Speaker 2>other country in the history of the world has advanced

0:39:23.880 --> 0:39:27.520
<v Speaker 2>progressive values more than this one. The United States is

0:39:27.560 --> 0:39:30.160
<v Speaker 2>far from perfect, but it is easy to forget how

0:39:30.239 --> 0:39:33.319
<v Speaker 2>much more opportunity exists in this country for those who

0:39:33.360 --> 0:39:36.560
<v Speaker 2>are not hereditary elites than in any other nation on

0:39:36.600 --> 0:39:37.120
<v Speaker 2>the planet.

0:39:37.440 --> 0:39:39.920
<v Speaker 1>God damn dude. I guess if you're maybe talking about

0:39:40.000 --> 0:39:44.280
<v Speaker 1>Russia currently, maybe, like if that's the only other country

0:39:44.320 --> 0:39:44.719
<v Speaker 1>in the world.

0:39:44.880 --> 0:39:48.160
<v Speaker 4>Sure, he defines progressive values in this statement as like

0:39:49.040 --> 0:39:51.200
<v Speaker 4>non hereditary elites becoming CEOs.

0:39:51.239 --> 0:39:53.120
<v Speaker 2>That's not what most people will define.

0:39:52.840 --> 0:39:54.880
<v Speaker 1>As like a progressive value, right, definitely.

0:39:55.760 --> 0:39:57.520
<v Speaker 2>It just that kind of gives away the game all So,

0:39:57.640 --> 0:40:01.560
<v Speaker 2>just like, what does he mean based on like the

0:40:01.680 --> 0:40:05.920
<v Speaker 2>history of America, I wouldn't say, like, I think it

0:40:06.000 --> 0:40:09.000
<v Speaker 2>was more defined as a battle against progressive values in

0:40:09.040 --> 0:40:12.200
<v Speaker 2>some cases history of Portland. For example, look into the

0:40:12.200 --> 0:40:15.440
<v Speaker 2>Portland Police Department. Oh, I don't know, look at the

0:40:15.480 --> 0:40:18.959
<v Speaker 2>current police department of pretty much every city.

0:40:18.960 --> 0:40:22.280
<v Speaker 1>And I mean just the police department. Just the government

0:40:22.320 --> 0:40:26.760
<v Speaker 1>actively currently trying to erase history of like like black history,

0:40:27.239 --> 0:40:30.840
<v Speaker 1>like LGBTQ history, like a racing out off of monuments

0:40:30.920 --> 0:40:33.920
<v Speaker 1>and taking like taking away monuments in some cases, they're

0:40:33.960 --> 0:40:37.880
<v Speaker 1>racing school systems, and like, I don't think it's true,

0:40:38.560 --> 0:40:41.680
<v Speaker 1>Like like I don't, Yeah, it's just not necessarily true.

0:40:41.800 --> 0:40:43.759
<v Speaker 1>Like we are still a lot of people love to

0:40:43.760 --> 0:40:47.080
<v Speaker 1>be like wow, like we like whenever whenever you talk

0:40:47.120 --> 0:40:49.919
<v Speaker 1>about like Palestine, it's like, oh, well you're you're gay

0:40:50.000 --> 0:40:53.320
<v Speaker 1>and you support Palestine, they'd throw you off roofs. False.

0:40:53.719 --> 0:40:56.400
<v Speaker 1>First of all. Second of all, it was illegal you

0:40:56.440 --> 0:40:59.839
<v Speaker 1>could not gay Mary in this country until ten years ago.

0:41:00.120 --> 0:41:02.560
<v Speaker 1>It's like, yeah, like like what are we talking about?

0:41:02.600 --> 0:41:05.360
<v Speaker 1>People were killed for being gay on the streets thirty

0:41:05.440 --> 0:41:07.600
<v Speaker 1>years ago in this country, Like what are we talking

0:41:07.640 --> 0:41:08.120
<v Speaker 1>about here?

0:41:08.440 --> 0:41:12.480
<v Speaker 2>Like police force arresting people of color arbitrarily.

0:41:12.680 --> 0:41:16.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's like we are sure, Like I'll I guess

0:41:16.120 --> 0:41:18.440
<v Speaker 1>I'll hand it to him. We are far from perfect,

0:41:18.560 --> 0:41:23.959
<v Speaker 1>but I think we're further from perfect than we've done progressives.

0:41:22.840 --> 0:41:26.600
<v Speaker 2>But we also seem to be trying to undo those Anyway,

0:41:26.840 --> 0:41:29.480
<v Speaker 2>Don't worry, We've got another really smart port coming up.

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<v Speaker 2>Number fourteen. American power has made possible and extraordinarily long piece,

0:41:48.800 --> 0:41:50.760
<v Speaker 2>so too many have forgotten or perhaps taken for granted.

0:41:50.800 --> 0:41:52.920
<v Speaker 2>And nearly a century if some version of pieces prevailed

0:41:52.920 --> 0:41:55.880
<v Speaker 2>in the world without a great power military conflict, what

0:41:56.080 --> 0:42:00.920
<v Speaker 2>the piece? Peace for who? Peace for who? Yeahs. Billions

0:42:00.920 --> 0:42:02.920
<v Speaker 2>of people and their children and now grandchildren have never

0:42:02.960 --> 0:42:03.680
<v Speaker 2>known a world war.

0:42:04.000 --> 0:42:06.719
<v Speaker 1>Literally, those are the only wars that have happened in

0:42:06.760 --> 0:42:09.360
<v Speaker 1>the last hundred years. There's like a there's a trillion

0:42:09.360 --> 0:42:13.200
<v Speaker 1>of them. We've since we've started. The United States alone

0:42:13.200 --> 0:42:17.520
<v Speaker 1>have started what like ten twelve thirteen wars since World

0:42:17.560 --> 0:42:22.760
<v Speaker 1>War Two. We've killed so many people, a million people,

0:42:23.000 --> 0:42:26.440
<v Speaker 1>like a minimum a million people in Jakarta. Like the

0:42:26.760 --> 0:42:30.080
<v Speaker 1>amount of terror we have reigned on the world. It's like, sure,

0:42:30.080 --> 0:42:32.400
<v Speaker 1>it's not war for us, it's not war on our territory,

0:42:32.400 --> 0:42:34.439
<v Speaker 1>it's not war on our ground, but it is war.

0:42:34.480 --> 0:42:38.200
<v Speaker 1>It is devastation, it is terrorism across It's perpetual.

0:42:38.840 --> 0:42:43.160
<v Speaker 2>There's been war everywhere yeah, if you're a fucking ignorant monster,

0:42:43.320 --> 0:42:45.719
<v Speaker 2>if you want to pretend that like America has been

0:42:45.719 --> 0:42:48.759
<v Speaker 2>in a war the whole time is yeah, anyway, here's

0:42:48.800 --> 0:42:49.480
<v Speaker 2>another great paper.

0:42:49.520 --> 0:42:52.480
<v Speaker 1>There's also different countries also doing wars, like I don't know,

0:42:52.560 --> 0:42:54.240
<v Speaker 1>like there is not long piece.

0:42:54.440 --> 0:42:59.040
<v Speaker 2>Yes, don't man none, you know, what's the little hourist

0:42:59.120 --> 0:43:03.720
<v Speaker 2>over there? And anyway? Number fifteen post war, the post

0:43:03.760 --> 0:43:07.000
<v Speaker 2>war neutering of Germany and Japan must be undone. The

0:43:07.000 --> 0:43:09.719
<v Speaker 2>defanging of Germany was an overcorrection for which Europe is

0:43:09.760 --> 0:43:12.879
<v Speaker 2>now paying a heavy price. A similar and highly theatrical

0:43:12.920 --> 0:43:16.920
<v Speaker 2>commitment to Japanese pacifism will, if maintained, also threatened to

0:43:16.960 --> 0:43:19.239
<v Speaker 2>shift the bounce of par in Asia. What are you

0:43:19.440 --> 0:43:23.960
<v Speaker 2>talking about? What are you talking about? What are you

0:43:24.040 --> 0:43:24.600
<v Speaker 2>talking about?

0:43:24.960 --> 0:43:28.040
<v Speaker 1>I like this idea that if Japan could have a military,

0:43:28.160 --> 0:43:31.600
<v Speaker 1>they're they're problems, they're they're like everything that's going wrong

0:43:31.640 --> 0:43:33.040
<v Speaker 1>in Japan right now would be fine.

0:43:33.760 --> 0:43:37.200
<v Speaker 4>Oh yes, it's a it's a it's a counterbalance to China,

0:43:37.320 --> 0:43:38.279
<v Speaker 4>is what he's getting at.

0:43:38.520 --> 0:43:40.840
<v Speaker 1>I do, I do agree with that, but I just

0:43:40.840 --> 0:43:44.560
<v Speaker 1>don't understand what a military of the size of Japan

0:43:44.640 --> 0:43:47.719
<v Speaker 1>could do to like at this point, especially like even

0:43:47.760 --> 0:43:50.680
<v Speaker 1>just giving him like let's say today they could, you know,

0:43:50.760 --> 0:43:54.120
<v Speaker 1>build up a military. What what are they gonna like,

0:43:54.440 --> 0:43:57.560
<v Speaker 1>how is that going to change the current situation. I

0:43:58.200 --> 0:44:00.840
<v Speaker 1>think it's just like the word over correction to it,

0:44:00.920 --> 0:44:03.120
<v Speaker 1>I think is very telling. It's like, Okay, you don't

0:44:03.120 --> 0:44:06.800
<v Speaker 1>really have It's interesting Germany, it came from a progress yeah, Germany.

0:44:06.960 --> 0:44:09.840
<v Speaker 1>I think it's interesting that you have laid out that

0:44:09.880 --> 0:44:12.360
<v Speaker 1>he's sort of come from like a more left leaning

0:44:12.600 --> 0:44:16.040
<v Speaker 1>sort of history, because this is not something I would

0:44:16.080 --> 0:44:19.279
<v Speaker 1>imagine someone and again he changed more recently, but like

0:44:19.320 --> 0:44:22.120
<v Speaker 1>Germany and Japan especially, it's like I feel like everyone

0:44:22.200 --> 0:44:27.200
<v Speaker 1>knows why they cannot have military. What happened Alex, Yeah,

0:44:27.239 --> 0:44:28.400
<v Speaker 1>what happened in the forties.

0:44:28.640 --> 0:44:33.600
<v Speaker 4>Well, I can't speak to Japan, despite you know, the

0:44:33.680 --> 0:44:35.880
<v Speaker 4>obvious kind of surface level that's a kind of alist

0:44:35.880 --> 0:44:39.520
<v Speaker 4>to China. Think in his you know, his history and

0:44:39.560 --> 0:44:41.080
<v Speaker 4>I don't know if the book, I haven't finished the

0:44:41.120 --> 0:44:43.640
<v Speaker 4>book yet, I'm still reading it. But in his life,

0:44:43.719 --> 0:44:47.000
<v Speaker 4>he did go to Germany, and I think he moved

0:44:47.000 --> 0:44:50.160
<v Speaker 4>for school in is the eighties or early nineties when

0:44:50.160 --> 0:44:54.279
<v Speaker 4>he was studying there, and a lot of his politics

0:44:54.440 --> 0:44:56.400
<v Speaker 4>and his the things that he believed in are a

0:44:56.480 --> 0:45:00.120
<v Speaker 4>sort of direct confrontation of like post war Germany and

0:45:00.160 --> 0:45:02.600
<v Speaker 4>the things that he saw in that society is very

0:45:02.680 --> 0:45:07.040
<v Speaker 4>interesting and just I think that he saw he really

0:45:07.080 --> 0:45:09.640
<v Speaker 4>and this is a Harbromus thing too, of like what

0:45:09.760 --> 0:45:12.759
<v Speaker 4>kind of national identity should Germans have in the wake

0:45:12.840 --> 0:45:16.120
<v Speaker 4>of this, you know, existential death of humanity That informs

0:45:16.200 --> 0:45:20.680
<v Speaker 4>karp thinking quite a bit. And when you think about

0:45:20.719 --> 0:45:24.960
<v Speaker 4>his whole idea is like aggression is social cohesion. It

0:45:24.960 --> 0:45:27.600
<v Speaker 4>starts to make sense when he says, well, maybe Germany

0:45:27.640 --> 0:45:29.279
<v Speaker 4>should be allowed to have a military. It's kind of

0:45:29.600 --> 0:45:32.800
<v Speaker 4>to be clear, I don't He's not a Nazi, He's Jewish,

0:45:32.840 --> 0:45:37.520
<v Speaker 4>but it's still very kind of fucking crazy to think

0:45:37.520 --> 0:45:41.480
<v Speaker 4>about this, and especially when you think about how openly

0:45:41.520 --> 0:45:45.440
<v Speaker 4>he engages with fascist and Nazi ideals, you know, again

0:45:45.800 --> 0:45:48.279
<v Speaker 4>from the point of argument as a reasoning tool.

0:45:48.360 --> 0:45:50.959
<v Speaker 1>But still it's like, I mean, I think we're gonna

0:45:50.960 --> 0:45:53.200
<v Speaker 1>get up to a point fairly soon. Sort of related

0:45:53.200 --> 0:45:55.319
<v Speaker 1>to this in that way, but like, I think it's

0:45:55.360 --> 0:45:57.080
<v Speaker 1>interesting that a lot of tech people in the United

0:45:57.120 --> 0:45:59.399
<v Speaker 1>States and then in like the last couple of years

0:45:59.440 --> 0:46:02.200
<v Speaker 1>have started doing this thing where it's like we unapologetically

0:46:02.719 --> 0:46:07.520
<v Speaker 1>do this, we unapologetically believe this. Like they're like there's

0:46:07.560 --> 0:46:12.080
<v Speaker 1>like this shamed like where they like, you cannot have

0:46:12.280 --> 0:46:15.520
<v Speaker 1>shame for anything you ever do, you cannot be introspective

0:46:15.640 --> 0:46:18.560
<v Speaker 1>like Mark Andresen he was talking about, like, oh, you know,

0:46:18.800 --> 0:46:21.120
<v Speaker 1>it's like it's so it's it's it's a weakness to

0:46:21.160 --> 0:46:23.319
<v Speaker 1>have introspection. I think that sort of linked to that,

0:46:23.440 --> 0:46:25.600
<v Speaker 1>that way where it's like we can't apologize for like

0:46:25.719 --> 0:46:26.560
<v Speaker 1>actions or whatever.

0:46:26.640 --> 0:46:30.200
<v Speaker 2>You know, Yeah, it's isn't that Roger Stone thing as well,

0:46:30.560 --> 0:46:32.080
<v Speaker 2>like never apologize that?

0:46:32.239 --> 0:46:36.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, oh my god, Yeah yeah, it probably came from him,

0:46:36.200 --> 0:46:36.680
<v Speaker 1>to be honest.

0:46:36.920 --> 0:46:39.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they don't have ideas, But let's go on to

0:46:39.360 --> 0:46:42.120
<v Speaker 2>one of the other ones they claim to have. Number sixteen.

0:46:42.760 --> 0:46:45.160
<v Speaker 2>We should applaud those who attempt to build where the

0:46:45.200 --> 0:46:48.040
<v Speaker 2>market has failed to act. The culture almost snickers that

0:46:48.200 --> 0:46:51.520
<v Speaker 2>musks interest in grand narrative, as if billionaires or to

0:46:51.560 --> 0:46:54.960
<v Speaker 2>simply stay in their line if enriching themselves. Any curiosity

0:46:55.080 --> 0:46:57.080
<v Speaker 2>or genuine interest in the value of what he has

0:46:57.160 --> 0:47:00.560
<v Speaker 2>created is essentially dismissed. Perhaps looks from beneath then leave

0:47:00.640 --> 0:47:03.759
<v Speaker 2>veiled scorn that would suggest he's created.

0:47:03.280 --> 0:47:07.840
<v Speaker 4>Something now and I'm not an expert in this field.

0:47:07.880 --> 0:47:10.800
<v Speaker 4>Maybe this is a question for you. But wasn't Elon

0:47:10.960 --> 0:47:14.799
<v Speaker 4>Musk forced to purchase Twitter because he made an epic meme?

0:47:14.920 --> 0:47:17.480
<v Speaker 2>Because he made he was epic and based and said

0:47:17.560 --> 0:47:19.960
<v Speaker 2>I will buy this and then when he tried to

0:47:19.960 --> 0:47:22.160
<v Speaker 2>walk out, they were like, no, you agreed to buy

0:47:22.200 --> 0:47:27.120
<v Speaker 2>this fucking website. Shit, give us the money interest, doctor

0:47:27.160 --> 0:47:31.400
<v Speaker 2>carp excuse me. Also, let's talk about some of the

0:47:31.440 --> 0:47:35.240
<v Speaker 2>things the Elon Musk has talked about. Robots doesn't exist,

0:47:35.320 --> 0:47:39.520
<v Speaker 2>Robot taxis doesn't exist. Uh, Tesla Roadstar with rockets on,

0:47:39.560 --> 0:47:43.799
<v Speaker 2>it doesn't exist. Just like the reason people snicker and

0:47:44.000 --> 0:47:46.600
<v Speaker 2>jeer Elon Musk is he says something will happen and

0:47:46.640 --> 0:47:50.279
<v Speaker 2>then it doesn't, and then he's like, well it's it's

0:47:50.600 --> 0:47:56.799
<v Speaker 2>delayed until the year of the base Tiger. It's just

0:47:56.800 --> 0:47:59.080
<v Speaker 2>like and everyone just goes, okay, Well, if we had

0:47:59.080 --> 0:48:01.640
<v Speaker 2>a functioning business tech media, they would stop printing what

0:48:01.719 --> 0:48:02.120
<v Speaker 2>he says.

0:48:02.440 --> 0:48:03.480
<v Speaker 1>My god, but they.

0:48:03.440 --> 0:48:05.880
<v Speaker 2>Would just go like, oh, yeah, this guy is lying.

0:48:06.280 --> 0:48:10.280
<v Speaker 2>But it's funny because this is this only ever comes

0:48:10.280 --> 0:48:14.239
<v Speaker 2>from incurious dullards. It's never people who create a lot

0:48:14.239 --> 0:48:17.520
<v Speaker 2>of stuff who are like, hey, Elon Musks fucking trying Okay,

0:48:17.640 --> 0:48:19.520
<v Speaker 2>he's trying to create something where you sit here from

0:48:19.560 --> 0:48:23.000
<v Speaker 2>the peanut gallery. It's never like artists or writers who

0:48:23.040 --> 0:48:26.680
<v Speaker 2>have written meaningful shit, or like authors. It's always guys

0:48:26.800 --> 0:48:31.440
<v Speaker 2>like this, executives of software companies who could be replaced

0:48:31.640 --> 0:48:34.880
<v Speaker 2>with anyone, like, let's be honest, like what makes Alex

0:48:34.960 --> 0:48:40.040
<v Speaker 2>Copp uniquely the person's run palenteer. There's probably eighteen different

0:48:40.120 --> 0:48:45.959
<v Speaker 2>Lockheed Martin, Dargoyles or fucking former Hanwar executives who could

0:48:45.960 --> 0:48:48.160
<v Speaker 2>be slotted in and we would never know the difference

0:48:48.160 --> 0:48:49.760
<v Speaker 2>other than the fact that we wouldn't have to fucking

0:48:49.800 --> 0:48:51.759
<v Speaker 2>hear from them all the time. Because you notice, we

0:48:51.800 --> 0:48:55.560
<v Speaker 2>don't hear from fucking Lockheed Martin ceo. We don't hear

0:48:55.560 --> 0:48:59.560
<v Speaker 2>from the CEO of Artix, Nay Raytheon. We don't hear

0:48:59.600 --> 0:49:01.640
<v Speaker 2>from these We don't know who they are because they don't.

0:49:01.760 --> 0:49:03.640
<v Speaker 2>They race you, and it's not sitting around being like

0:49:03.640 --> 0:49:06.280
<v Speaker 2>what's us so well? They actually have a social strategy.

0:49:06.320 --> 0:49:08.640
<v Speaker 2>It's very phonny, and they love to post like LGBTQ

0:49:08.800 --> 0:49:11.400
<v Speaker 2>awareness is really fucking crazy.

0:49:11.800 --> 0:49:13.960
<v Speaker 1>But I love when they're like, we're the greatest company

0:49:14.000 --> 0:49:16.759
<v Speaker 1>for gay people out there. We're rated number one and.

0:49:17.040 --> 0:49:19.640
<v Speaker 2>All right, but nevertheless, like you don't have RTX a

0:49:19.719 --> 0:49:21.839
<v Speaker 2>CEO going around being like and here's what I think

0:49:21.840 --> 0:49:25.000
<v Speaker 2>about social justice. They just they're like, we make calls,

0:49:25.040 --> 0:49:27.960
<v Speaker 2>we make proms and the software behind bombs. If you

0:49:28.000 --> 0:49:30.880
<v Speaker 2>need to kill someone, call RTX. We will blow them

0:49:30.960 --> 0:49:33.160
<v Speaker 2>up big time. What's it going to cost? More than

0:49:33.200 --> 0:49:34.600
<v Speaker 2>you think and more than we say.

0:49:34.920 --> 0:49:37.480
<v Speaker 1>It's it's been really interesting Pallenteer, especially in the like

0:49:37.800 --> 0:49:40.760
<v Speaker 1>in the last year sort of make this bigger presence

0:49:40.800 --> 0:49:43.600
<v Speaker 1>of themselves with this manifesto and Alex Karp going on

0:49:43.640 --> 0:49:45.759
<v Speaker 1>these like speaking tours, and I believe it was a

0:49:45.760 --> 0:49:48.200
<v Speaker 1>New York Times page ad where it was a couple

0:49:48.239 --> 0:49:51.120
<v Speaker 1>of weeks ago that was like volunteer supports Israel. They

0:49:51.160 --> 0:49:55.240
<v Speaker 1>are purposey like putting themselves in the limelight and getting

0:49:55.280 --> 0:49:58.440
<v Speaker 1>all of all of this attention and just wanting attention.

0:49:59.239 --> 0:50:01.800
<v Speaker 1>It's it's interesting the attention economy.

0:50:01.880 --> 0:50:05.200
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's interesting too because he's been the CEO, I think,

0:50:05.239 --> 0:50:08.120
<v Speaker 4>for for eighteen years and nobody had ever heard of

0:50:08.160 --> 0:50:14.160
<v Speaker 4>him until recently. He's actually been quietly I would say, uh,

0:50:14.280 --> 0:50:19.160
<v Speaker 4>smartly just building relationships with various governments and alphabet agencies

0:50:19.160 --> 0:50:20.879
<v Speaker 4>around the world and such, and.

0:50:20.920 --> 0:50:21.960
<v Speaker 2>Kind of kept to himself.

0:50:21.960 --> 0:50:25.640
<v Speaker 4>And I've often thought that his proximity and relationship to

0:50:25.680 --> 0:50:28.040
<v Speaker 4>academia has been able to sort of ingratiate himself with

0:50:28.080 --> 0:50:31.120
<v Speaker 4>these types of people that are in these positions, and

0:50:31.160 --> 0:50:34.719
<v Speaker 4>that's how he's been so successful. I don't know what

0:50:34.840 --> 0:50:37.319
<v Speaker 4>it is. I'm still kind of trying to to I

0:50:37.360 --> 0:50:38.000
<v Speaker 4>can explain.

0:50:38.960 --> 0:50:41.560
<v Speaker 2>He saw all the attention that Elon Muscott and the

0:50:41.560 --> 0:50:44.399
<v Speaker 2>pay tail Scott by saying like yeah, yeah, christ right,

0:50:44.480 --> 0:50:46.240
<v Speaker 2>or like uh what if we bound woman, like whatever

0:50:46.239 --> 0:50:49.319
<v Speaker 2>that's saying, and he was like, yeah, cool, I want

0:50:49.320 --> 0:50:51.799
<v Speaker 2>to do this, like I want to be popular too.

0:50:52.440 --> 0:50:54.600
<v Speaker 2>And also now's the time because all these people want

0:50:54.600 --> 0:50:58.400
<v Speaker 2>to be statesmen SBF Sam Bank missed the bankman free

0:50:58.440 --> 0:51:00.560
<v Speaker 2>he was kind of early in the He wanted to

0:51:00.600 --> 0:51:02.319
<v Speaker 2>be a statesman. He wanted to be seen as like

0:51:02.320 --> 0:51:05.000
<v Speaker 2>an elder statesman, and you kind of see it with Elon,

0:51:05.120 --> 0:51:08.560
<v Speaker 2>except I said this with no respect to government officials.

0:51:08.640 --> 0:51:12.560
<v Speaker 2>He lacks the decorum, he lacks the grace, He doesn't

0:51:12.560 --> 0:51:15.080
<v Speaker 2>function or talk like a politician, and he doesn't know

0:51:15.160 --> 0:51:17.040
<v Speaker 2>how to do it. They don't know how to dress

0:51:17.080 --> 0:51:19.520
<v Speaker 2>as well. This is such a really small thing. But

0:51:19.880 --> 0:51:22.560
<v Speaker 2>go and find the picture from the dinner with Trump

0:51:22.680 --> 0:51:26.520
<v Speaker 2>and look at Elon Musk's shoes and look at the break.

0:51:26.640 --> 0:51:28.759
<v Speaker 2>Oh he wore a shirt backwards when he was doing

0:51:28.760 --> 0:51:32.160
<v Speaker 2>his little ex jon. But it's just like, go and

0:51:32.200 --> 0:51:33.840
<v Speaker 2>look at their shoes. Look, I'm not even being the

0:51:33.840 --> 0:51:36.240
<v Speaker 2>menswear guy here. Look at the brake on their pants.

0:51:36.280 --> 0:51:39.399
<v Speaker 2>It's really uneven. This is something that you can solve

0:51:39.440 --> 0:51:41.160
<v Speaker 2>when you have a billion dollars. You go to Savile

0:51:41.239 --> 0:51:43.600
<v Speaker 2>Row in London and you go, here is my credit card.

0:51:43.640 --> 0:51:45.480
<v Speaker 2>Don't worry about whatever you put on it. Just give

0:51:45.480 --> 0:51:47.600
<v Speaker 2>me the perfect looking suit and they'll fucking do it.

0:51:47.719 --> 0:51:50.400
<v Speaker 2>You will find Yew anyone. You can find him in

0:51:50.400 --> 0:51:52.200
<v Speaker 2>New York and find him any city everywhere. You have

0:51:52.320 --> 0:51:55.040
<v Speaker 2>enough money, you could probably just have him fly like

0:51:55.080 --> 0:51:56.719
<v Speaker 2>they could do one in a day. They could buy

0:51:56.719 --> 0:51:58.640
<v Speaker 2>the factory. He could do it. But they just don't

0:51:58.680 --> 0:52:00.120
<v Speaker 2>really give a fuck. What they want to do is

0:52:00.200 --> 0:52:03.759
<v Speaker 2>skip all the hard part of you know, learning and

0:52:03.960 --> 0:52:07.160
<v Speaker 2>being a person and growing so they can just be famous.

0:52:07.360 --> 0:52:08.920
<v Speaker 2>And they've realized that that works. You can just go

0:52:08.920 --> 0:52:15.600
<v Speaker 2>out and blah blah blah, racism blah, packs Americana manifest destiny.

0:52:15.719 --> 0:52:18.040
<v Speaker 2>I've learned these terms yesterday from Wikipedia and I forgot

0:52:18.080 --> 0:52:20.560
<v Speaker 2>what they mean. Ah, and it's they will do that

0:52:20.600 --> 0:52:22.799
<v Speaker 2>as enough time. So the problem is, the reason they

0:52:22.840 --> 0:52:27.160
<v Speaker 2>seem so frantic and tired is because there's nothing behind it.

0:52:27.200 --> 0:52:29.040
<v Speaker 2>They will give a shit about this. We're even on

0:52:29.200 --> 0:52:32.000
<v Speaker 2>this fucking list. Oh, here we go, Here we go,

0:52:32.120 --> 0:52:35.520
<v Speaker 2>Er point seventeen. Silicon Valley must play a role in

0:52:35.600 --> 0:52:40.040
<v Speaker 2>addressing violent crime. Many politicians across the United States have

0:52:40.160 --> 0:52:43.200
<v Speaker 2>essentially shrugged when it comes to violent crime, banning any

0:52:43.239 --> 0:52:45.759
<v Speaker 2>serious efforts to address the problem or take on any

0:52:45.840 --> 0:52:48.319
<v Speaker 2>risk with the constituencies or donors in coming up with

0:52:48.360 --> 0:52:52.200
<v Speaker 2>solutions and experiments in what should be a desperate bid

0:52:52.200 --> 0:52:59.160
<v Speaker 2>to save lives. Yes, yeah, and also also this is

0:52:59.160 --> 0:53:04.759
<v Speaker 2>a person that does not believe that social services are

0:53:04.800 --> 0:53:07.400
<v Speaker 2>part of that. Well, the violent crime in San Francisco

0:53:07.520 --> 0:53:11.000
<v Speaker 2>comes from Ronald Reagan emptying the fucking homeless people. People

0:53:11.000 --> 0:53:13.120
<v Speaker 2>that became homeless, I should say, from mental asylunce they

0:53:13.160 --> 0:53:14.839
<v Speaker 2>closed wats deadly class great shot.

0:53:14.960 --> 0:53:17.919
<v Speaker 1>Have you have you ever watched the Southland Tails either, Oh, yes,

0:53:17.960 --> 0:53:20.800
<v Speaker 1>of course. Do you remember, like throughout the movie there's

0:53:21.080 --> 0:53:23.680
<v Speaker 1>just will be points where's some like just different things

0:53:23.719 --> 0:53:26.880
<v Speaker 1>will pop off and there's it'll it'll cut to military

0:53:26.880 --> 0:53:29.160
<v Speaker 1>people on roofs with the machine guns and they'll just

0:53:29.200 --> 0:53:31.440
<v Speaker 1>like shoot people from the roofs. Yes, that's like what

0:53:31.480 --> 0:53:33.200
<v Speaker 1>he wants. He wants the machine guns on the roof

0:53:33.280 --> 0:53:35.960
<v Speaker 1>with just like soldiers always watching. That's like him, That's

0:53:36.080 --> 0:53:38.480
<v Speaker 1>that's that's what this point is is Sadlin Tails.

0:53:38.600 --> 0:53:41.959
<v Speaker 2>That movie. Sarah Michelle Gallers in it as a porn star,

0:53:42.360 --> 0:53:44.279
<v Speaker 2>and the one thing I remember is she has is

0:53:44.520 --> 0:53:47.440
<v Speaker 2>in a movie called cock Chuggers to cock Chuggin. To

0:53:47.480 --> 0:53:50.040
<v Speaker 2>be clear, Sara Michelle Gather amazing actress, but just like

0:53:50.120 --> 0:53:53.399
<v Speaker 2>fucking hilarious. Everyone should watch Southland Tails. By the way,

0:53:53.480 --> 0:53:56.680
<v Speaker 2>it is an insane movie.

0:53:55.800 --> 0:53:58.320
<v Speaker 1>Panned at the time, but I think, especially these days,

0:53:58.400 --> 0:54:01.719
<v Speaker 1>it is very impressient. I think very You'll be like, goddamn,

0:54:01.760 --> 0:54:03.960
<v Speaker 1>people didn't like this back in the day. It's a

0:54:04.040 --> 0:54:04.480
<v Speaker 1>very careful.

0:54:04.480 --> 0:54:06.319
<v Speaker 2>Oh no, I can forget why people didn't like it.

0:54:06.320 --> 0:54:07.120
<v Speaker 2>It is insane.

0:54:07.520 --> 0:54:08.520
<v Speaker 1>It is it is insane.

0:54:08.840 --> 0:54:12.440
<v Speaker 2>Scene between scene and you're like, what is happening anyway,

0:54:12.960 --> 0:54:17.000
<v Speaker 2>if only his worldview was that coherum, because what he

0:54:17.080 --> 0:54:19.800
<v Speaker 2>believed is that he wants to put the homeless people

0:54:19.960 --> 0:54:22.200
<v Speaker 2>in the embrace of God. He wants to shoot them,

0:54:22.239 --> 0:54:25.640
<v Speaker 2>he wants to jail them, which I'm sure will solve

0:54:26.040 --> 0:54:29.800
<v Speaker 2>the prison population issue we have. How he feels about prisons,

0:54:29.840 --> 0:54:32.879
<v Speaker 2>by the way, I don't know. He probably loves them,

0:54:32.920 --> 0:54:35.799
<v Speaker 2>I'm guessing, because the solution is always more software, more jail,

0:54:35.840 --> 0:54:39.479
<v Speaker 2>or more gun. It's never like more home. Because that's

0:54:39.480 --> 0:54:41.880
<v Speaker 2>a really good way of dealing with homeless people. You

0:54:41.920 --> 0:54:44.560
<v Speaker 2>give them a path out of transience because they have

0:54:44.640 --> 0:54:46.879
<v Speaker 2>mental health issues of course, by the fact, they don't

0:54:46.920 --> 0:54:48.719
<v Speaker 2>have a place to sleep or a place to go

0:54:48.760 --> 0:54:51.759
<v Speaker 2>to the bathroom other than their trousers. And these people

0:54:51.840 --> 0:54:54.520
<v Speaker 2>are suffering and they're hurting, and the way that people

0:54:54.560 --> 0:54:57.239
<v Speaker 2>deal with them is to hurt them more versus and

0:54:57.320 --> 0:54:59.080
<v Speaker 2>oh it costs a lot of money, Yeah, it does

0:54:59.160 --> 0:55:02.160
<v Speaker 2>to pull someone out of hell. And if you're someone

0:55:02.200 --> 0:55:03.560
<v Speaker 2>listening to this, by the way, who has a view

0:55:03.560 --> 0:55:05.200
<v Speaker 2>of homeless paper where it's like, well they need to

0:55:05.239 --> 0:55:07.600
<v Speaker 2>be moved away, you're a fucking ass on, a loser

0:55:07.640 --> 0:55:11.160
<v Speaker 2>and a coward. Homeless people are victims of society. They

0:55:11.160 --> 0:55:14.200
<v Speaker 2>are society owes them a debt, not the other way around.

0:55:14.320 --> 0:55:16.520
<v Speaker 2>And the idea that someone needs to work enough for

0:55:16.600 --> 0:55:19.600
<v Speaker 2>social services is a joke. Anyway, that's my little sound

0:55:19.600 --> 0:55:20.960
<v Speaker 2>box there really pisses.

0:55:21.719 --> 0:55:22.160
<v Speaker 1>Oh sorry.

0:55:22.239 --> 0:55:25.919
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's hard to say what he believes in since

0:55:26.000 --> 0:55:27.879
<v Speaker 4>his sort of schism, but I do think it's worth

0:55:27.920 --> 0:55:31.319
<v Speaker 4>noting that he has talked about social services and these

0:55:31.360 --> 0:55:34.160
<v Speaker 4>programs pretty extensively in the past. He just thinks that

0:55:34.600 --> 0:55:37.360
<v Speaker 4>volunteers specifically will make them better for whatever.

0:55:37.400 --> 0:55:38.680
<v Speaker 1>That's of course they will.

0:55:38.960 --> 0:55:43.000
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I think that he does believe because again he

0:55:43.080 --> 0:55:46.520
<v Speaker 4>has over the years described himself as various times, you know,

0:55:46.640 --> 0:55:53.200
<v Speaker 4>a social something Democrat, liberal, this Neil Marxist. Whatever, he

0:55:53.239 --> 0:55:56.520
<v Speaker 4>does believe in these things. I just think that he's

0:55:56.719 --> 0:56:02.080
<v Speaker 4>sort of this eccentric, glamaniacal freak. This, I alone can

0:56:02.120 --> 0:56:04.440
<v Speaker 4>improve these problems, like forest.

0:56:04.120 --> 0:56:07.800
<v Speaker 2>Spoken of the Ninth Gate, I alone am worthy.

0:56:08.320 --> 0:56:10.839
<v Speaker 1>But let's be a point. We'll fix this all right.

0:56:11.320 --> 0:56:16.200
<v Speaker 2>Well, let's got a point eighteen, which is a real banger. Eighteen.

0:56:16.600 --> 0:56:19.840
<v Speaker 2>The ruthless exposure of the private lives the public figures

0:56:19.920 --> 0:56:23.440
<v Speaker 2>drives far too much talent away from government service, the

0:56:23.480 --> 0:56:26.160
<v Speaker 2>public arena, and the shallow and petty assaults against those

0:56:26.200 --> 0:56:29.160
<v Speaker 2>who dared to do something other than enrich themselves has

0:56:29.200 --> 0:56:31.520
<v Speaker 2>become so unforgiving that the republic is left with a

0:56:31.560 --> 0:56:35.800
<v Speaker 2>significant roster of ineffectual empty vessels whose ambition one would

0:56:35.800 --> 0:56:39.279
<v Speaker 2>forgive if there were any genuine belief structure looking within.

0:56:39.520 --> 0:56:41.839
<v Speaker 2>And that is exactly how that's written. He just got

0:56:42.000 --> 0:56:42.359
<v Speaker 2>let that.

0:56:42.360 --> 0:56:43.399
<v Speaker 1>Typo go right through.

0:56:44.000 --> 0:56:48.120
<v Speaker 2>If there were any genuine belief structure. Look, I don't know.

0:56:49.000 --> 0:56:52.920
<v Speaker 2>I this is about a mate of his, but this

0:56:53.040 --> 0:56:56.279
<v Speaker 2>is like, don't look at the files. Yeah, this is

0:56:56.280 --> 0:56:58.479
<v Speaker 2>the way to say to not do that. Yeah, don't

0:56:58.480 --> 0:57:01.160
<v Speaker 2>look at the Epstein files. Don't look look whether Reid Hoffman,

0:57:01.320 --> 0:57:05.600
<v Speaker 2>CEO of LinkedIn, endorsed Jeffrey Epstein, which he did. We

0:57:05.680 --> 0:57:08.200
<v Speaker 2>don't know what for. I've asked. I've got a comment back.

0:57:08.440 --> 0:57:09.480
<v Speaker 2>But anyway, let's move on.

0:57:10.239 --> 0:57:13.080
<v Speaker 1>When I say, really quick, really quick, just that like

0:57:13.160 --> 0:57:15.400
<v Speaker 1>it's so funny to say this, but also be like

0:57:15.640 --> 0:57:19.120
<v Speaker 1>vir in the anti Zora and ma'm donnie. He's like Zara,

0:57:19.200 --> 0:57:21.200
<v Speaker 1>Ma'm donnie. None of this, none of the things he

0:57:21.240 --> 0:57:23.520
<v Speaker 1>want will ever work. He's bad he's evil, he's bad.

0:57:23.760 --> 0:57:26.880
<v Speaker 1>So it's like he already like within just like one

0:57:26.880 --> 0:57:29.160
<v Speaker 1>second of looking at some of his new opinions, even

0:57:29.480 --> 0:57:31.960
<v Speaker 1>like a couple of days later, or like a couple

0:57:31.960 --> 0:57:34.360
<v Speaker 1>of months after this or before this. Sorry, just think

0:57:35.640 --> 0:57:42.120
<v Speaker 1>is hpnoprite? Yeah, kidding much much. It's just it's just

0:57:42.360 --> 0:57:44.360
<v Speaker 1>it just drives me crazy. How all of this none

0:57:44.560 --> 0:57:46.320
<v Speaker 1>none of these people, Like I think he does believe

0:57:46.320 --> 0:57:48.960
<v Speaker 1>this stuff. But he's just so he is not self

0:57:48.960 --> 0:57:51.160
<v Speaker 1>aware in any capacity to where it's like he he

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<v Speaker 1>he says things that can directly contradict some of this manifesto.

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<v Speaker 2>Well nineteen the caution in public life that we unwittingly

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<v Speaker 2>encourage his corrosive. Those who say nothing wrong often say

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<v Speaker 2>nothing much at all. So that's just about racism. That's

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<v Speaker 2>just about saying the arsler. That's like, it's really like this.

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<v Speaker 2>He's going to frame this as, oh, it's a philosophical debate,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's like, no, it's it's not. It's actually it's

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<v Speaker 2>actually just someone said the Arsler, and he wants to

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<v Speaker 2>protect them. But we've got to keep We've let this

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<v Speaker 2>one go a little long, so we're going to move

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<v Speaker 2>on a little faster because number twenty is a real banger.

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<v Speaker 2>The vasive intolerance of religious belief in certain circles must

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<v Speaker 2>be resisted. The elites tolerant intolerance of religious belief is

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<v Speaker 2>perhaps one of the most telling scigns that is a

0:58:34.200 --> 0:58:38.280
<v Speaker 2>political project, that it's political project constitutes a less open

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<v Speaker 2>intellectual movement than many within it would claim. I would

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<v Speaker 2>say that there are definitely ways in which religion is

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<v Speaker 2>pushed out. I don't think those are the ones he's

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<v Speaker 2>talking about, though.

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<v Speaker 1>I've found it so fascinating in the last two issues

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<v Speaker 1>how a lot of these Silicon Valley tech people have

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<v Speaker 1>really whether they are actually really said or not, have

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<v Speaker 1>like outwardly embraced religion as this new thing that everyone

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<v Speaker 1>needs to like. You're you're like a deeper person for

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<v Speaker 1>for re embracing religion, you know, like Peter Tiel, all

0:59:10.640 --> 0:59:12.800
<v Speaker 1>of these people I like. I I think it's one

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<v Speaker 1>of the most fascinating new narratives to come out of

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<v Speaker 1>Silicon Value is how they're all Christian, all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 1>and all really love God and all really think that

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<v Speaker 1>that's more valuable than like anything else. While they talk

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<v Speaker 1>about how we need more bombs to kill people.

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<v Speaker 4>They've seen the value of appealing to people who already

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<v Speaker 4>have like precluding to dogma baked in right.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, it's it's super beneficial for them. You if, like

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<v Speaker 1>I mean Russell Brand, you sexual assault you. You pick

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<v Speaker 1>up a Bible everyone, you get a lot. By the way,

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<v Speaker 1>just flipping through the Bible.

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<v Speaker 2>Taste one, I think is like gym facing. Like it's

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<v Speaker 2>just and I watched the things and all I could

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<v Speaker 2>think of was, no American would have the balls to

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<v Speaker 2>do this. No American journalist. I don't love Pierce Morgan,

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<v Speaker 2>but like, no American journalists would ever have the balls

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<v Speaker 2>to just sit there in complete silence for two minutes

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<v Speaker 2>as Russell Brand when it is it Isaiah? Is it Isaiah?

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<v Speaker 2>Is this the one with the wall in it? Is

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<v Speaker 2>this the one with the angels that have sex with

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<v Speaker 2>each other? I haven't really I use groc to read

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<v Speaker 2>this to me, and it's just it's like, no, anyone

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<v Speaker 2>who suddenly becomes religious is extremely suspicious, never trust anyone.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, I know some very spiritual, deeply religious people,

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<v Speaker 2>people with great faith, and the way they talk about

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<v Speaker 2>it is just completely different to anyone else who talks

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<v Speaker 2>about It's never it's it's something for them, not for you.

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<v Speaker 2>And the moment it becomes something outward is when I

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<v Speaker 2>get very fucking suspicious. Absolutely all right, you guys know this,

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<v Speaker 2>You know guys bull When I go to church every Sunday, Right,

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<v Speaker 2>that's cool, do you really?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? What kind of journey now that shit?

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<v Speaker 4>I have been going to a universalist Unitarian church, so

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<v Speaker 4>it's like think church, but.

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<v Speaker 2>It's nothing fake about It's what your faith is.

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<v Speaker 3>No.

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<v Speaker 2>I am like a gnostic and I have some spiritual

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<v Speaker 2>I think my writing is quite spiritual the process, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's like nothing with a god or anything. I think

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<v Speaker 2>people are dismissive of religion in some ways. But this

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<v Speaker 2>is referring to school protests. This is this is this

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<v Speaker 2>is this is just college campus protest. This is what

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<v Speaker 2>he's talking about. All right, We've only got two more

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<v Speaker 2>of these fucking things, all right? Twenty one. Some cultures

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<v Speaker 2>have produced vital advances, others remain dysfunctional and regressive. All

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<v Speaker 2>cultures are now equal, criticism and value judgments are forbidden. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>this new dogma glosses over the fact that certain cultures

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<v Speaker 2>and indeed subcultures, have produced wonders. Others have proven middling

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<v Speaker 2>and worse, regressive and harmful. My what are you fucking talk?

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<v Speaker 2>I assume he means Islam, like.

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<v Speaker 5>I just I assume he's like it's just like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>it's like just those brown countries you go a little south,

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<v Speaker 5>the darker than brown, the black countries that there is

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<v Speaker 5>there really any wonders there?

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<v Speaker 1>There's no wonders there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>My challenge to anybody listening to this is, if anybody

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<v Speaker 4>ever says this to you, and I've seen this framing

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<v Speaker 4>come up quite a bit more and more increasingly, if

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<v Speaker 4>somebody says this to you, ask them what they mean, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>and smile, smile on their faces.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you mean by that? And make them fucking

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<v Speaker 2>say it?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I mean it's so obviously like rooted in that,

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<v Speaker 1>like oh the West, Western values. It's like, yeah, all right.

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<v Speaker 2>Final one twenty two. We must resist the shallow temptation

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<v Speaker 2>of a vacant and horror pluralism. We in America and

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<v Speaker 2>more broadly in the West, have for the past century

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<v Speaker 2>resisted defining national cultures in the name of inclusivity, but

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<v Speaker 2>inclusion into war. We need more racism.

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<v Speaker 1>Racism, We need transphobia, We need a phobia we need

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<v Speaker 1>more bigotry.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the only way will be multicultural.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, no, this yet again is sort of like

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<v Speaker 1>cancel cultural bullshit. This, this is like suicidal empathy because like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>what like if we're tolerant of everyone, like what like,

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<v Speaker 1>we lose so much the society. That'll lead to societalerantstruction.

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<v Speaker 2>What if someone's intolerant of me being intolerant fucking assholes? Well,

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<v Speaker 2>I will say, and this ends by saying, it's an

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<v Speaker 2>excerpt from the book, so couldn't probably should have known

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<v Speaker 2>that before going into it myself. I will say that

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<v Speaker 2>if I was made to read this book, I would

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<v Speaker 2>I would try and poison myself. I don't I don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to know what these people think. But I think

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<v Speaker 2>that this kind of this kind of proves that this

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<v Speaker 2>is a series of incongruent points written by somebody that

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<v Speaker 2>can't choose whether they want to be a convenient or

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<v Speaker 2>inconvenient fascist, Like they don't want like they aren't really

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<v Speaker 2>sure what they believe in other than the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>someone they like is being oppressed, but the people they

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<v Speaker 2>don't like all being impressed enough, oppressed enough.

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<v Speaker 1>It's also like, give us more contracts, give us more money.

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<v Speaker 1>We want a full wartime economy focused on giving AI

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<v Speaker 1>companies more money. It's like both of those things. It's

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<v Speaker 1>sort of this like techno fascist, sort of like give

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<v Speaker 1>us money please. Also, we agree with you on culture war,

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<v Speaker 1>so please give us more money for that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, now that we've gone through that horrible series

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<v Speaker 2>of points, I want to thank you both for joining.

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<v Speaker 2>Where can we find you?

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<v Speaker 1>You can find us at We do a show called

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<v Speaker 1>Kill the Computer. You can find us at Killthecomputer dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>Or just an amazing website. Yeah, b are our community.

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<v Speaker 1>If the person that sort of like helps with our

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<v Speaker 1>think I'm biased. It's a website for our show, but

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's one of the most like if you

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<v Speaker 1>love like what the Internet used to be, what it

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<v Speaker 1>could be. Obviously it's a website for a podcast, but

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<v Speaker 1>I think it just has the spirit of what the

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<v Speaker 1>Internet still could games on it. There's a leader board

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<v Speaker 1>like it's fucking dope. Please. Yeah. It's a show about just,

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<v Speaker 1>uh like how internet and culture and politics sort of

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<v Speaker 1>we live in. Essentially, so we talk about a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of stuff like we talked about today. We talk about

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<v Speaker 1>one of my favorite episodes that we did so a

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<v Speaker 1>little a little bit ago was talking about the like

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<v Speaker 1>death capitalist economy of like uh uh brief tech, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>where it's it's like the these tech companies, how they

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<v Speaker 1>sort of prey on people grieving family members dying or

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<v Speaker 1>or like getting to end of life and providing these

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<v Speaker 4>In some cases, the chat bought out of your dead

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<v Speaker 4>grandmother and they're going to update the model and she'll

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<v Speaker 4>start hallucinating and you can't afford it and blah blah blah.

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<v Speaker 1>It's yeah, it's very yeah. No, we we talk about

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<v Speaker 1>all sorts of stuff like that. So please check us out.

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