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Speaker 1: or wherever you get your podcasts. President Joe Biden is

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Speaker 1: making a plea to federal lawmakers to take action to

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Speaker 1: curb gun violence in America. Of course, Democrats never explained

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Speaker 1: how their legislation would stop the shootings. As a matter

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Speaker 1: it's time for hold the line. Welcome to hold on.

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Speaker 1: I'm Buck Sexton. He had another chance last night, Joe Biden,

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Speaker 1: President of United States. Better for worse. I think we

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Speaker 1: all see it's pretty much always for worse. But he

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Speaker 1: had an opportunity to bring together the American people and

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Speaker 1: say some intelligent things, first of all, about the national

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Speaker 1: healing process that should still be underwear in the aftermath

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Speaker 1: of the horrific shooting in Uvalde, amongst some other shootings

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Speaker 1: as well in recent days that having gotten nearly as

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Speaker 1: much attention but also atrocious the shooting in Oklahoma, for example.

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Speaker 1: But Joe Biden took the opportunity to give a speech

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Speaker 1: that was rooted in emotional blackmail, a lot of untruth,

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Speaker 1: to attack his political opponents instead of actually looking at

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Speaker 1: what would be serious about trying to stop violence in

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Speaker 1: this country. Joe Biden wants to tell you how much

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Speaker 1: he hates the NRA and the gun owners out there

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Speaker 1: who don't want to go along with this. Here he says, though,

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Speaker 1: that he has by partisan legislation to do something. This time,

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Speaker 1: we have to take the time to do something, and

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Speaker 1: this time it's time for the Senate to do something.

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Speaker 1: But as we know, in order to do any get

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Speaker 1: anything done in the Senate, we need a minimum of

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Speaker 1: ten Republican senators. I support the partisan efforts that include

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Speaker 1: small group of Democrats and Republicans centers trying to find

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Speaker 1: I find unconscionable. We can't fail the American people again.

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Speaker 1: Do what, Joe, That's really what this comes in. Okay,

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Speaker 1: do what we'll talk about some of the things that

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Speaker 1: want to get so much of the emotion out there

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Speaker 1: is that they just want a mobilized mentality on this

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Speaker 1: issue without having to explain how then the actions that

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Speaker 1: they want taken wouldn't actually change anything that we've seen

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Speaker 1: going on. And for example, Biden mentioned there have been

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Speaker 1: twenty mass shootings. Now, how you define mass shootings is

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Speaker 1: Often these mass shootings involve gang activity and other criminal

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Speaker 1: activity that is completely in a different category from the

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Speaker 1: kind of mass murder that we saw in that school

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Speaker 1: in Uval Day. But here's Biden saying, there have been

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Speaker 1: twenty mass shooting since you've all day watched, since Valdi

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Speaker 1: just over a week ago, there have been twenty other

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Speaker 1: mass shootings in America, each with four or more people

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Speaker 1: killed or injured, including yesterday at a hospital in Tulsa, Oklahoma,

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Speaker 1: a shooter to liberally target a surgeon using an assault

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Speaker 1: up and he bought just a few hours before his

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Speaker 1: rampage that left a surgeon, another doctor, receptionist and a

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Speaker 1: carnage we see every single day. It doesn't make the headlines.

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Speaker 1: So how would any of the things which include an

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Speaker 1: things that he wants, safe storage requirements, red flag laws

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Speaker 1: would they have stopped? He said there have been twenty

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Speaker 1: mass shootings. Would they have stopped any of those mass shooting?

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Speaker 1: how and which mass shooting would have been stopped. Let's

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Speaker 1: just say, for example, the shooter in Tulsa, Oklahoma, had

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Speaker 1: been told sorry, there's an assault rifle ban. In effect,

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Speaker 1: shooter could have just bought a pistol, just as lethal,

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Speaker 1: could have used two pistols, like the horrific mass shooting

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Speaker 1: at Virginia Tech, where it was two pistols. It was

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Speaker 1: not a rifle that was used in that mass shooting.

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Speaker 1: In fact, if you look at the ford Hood shooting,

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Speaker 1: He doesn't even pretend that he has an answer to that.

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Speaker 1: But what he does want, of worse is political mobilization. Here.

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Speaker 1: although he's not winning over any independence with this from

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Speaker 1: the numbers that we can see. He wants his political rivals,

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Speaker 1: along with these proposals that quite clearly would do nothing

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Speaker 1: to stop gun violence in any meaningful way. Why. I've

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Speaker 1: how hard it is, but I'll never give up. Congress fails,

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Speaker 1: I believe this time a majority of the American people

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Speaker 1: won't give up either. I believe the majority of you

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Speaker 1: central to your vote. Enough enough, No, he's wrong, that's

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Speaker 1: not going to happen. But it does make the left

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Speaker 1: much of Democrat politics around guns is just they don't

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Speaker 1: like gun owners in general, lawful gun owners, criminals Democrats

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Speaker 1: always have a soft spot for, but lawful gun owners

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Speaker 1: they do not like, and they want to always remind

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Speaker 1: everybody of that fact in whatever ways they can. Um karine.

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Speaker 1: Jean Pierre says that Biden knows how to get things

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Speaker 1: done because he's taken on the gun lobby. Watch thanks.

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Speaker 1: If the resident thinks that Congress must act immediately to

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Speaker 1: end this apidemic of gun violence, is he going to

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Speaker 1: not it's not say this is how it's done, but

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Speaker 1: did that in the Senate during his crow Congress days,

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Speaker 1: that he beat the gun lobby. Think about this beat

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Speaker 1: the gun lobby as if there's some all powerful enemy

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Speaker 1: Amendment rights who don't agree with this nonsense. That's it.

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Speaker 1: At the end of the day. By the way, since

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Speaker 1: Democrat policies and cities all across the country. Do you

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Speaker 1: in New York, San Francisco, Los Angeles, Philadelphia, Chicago. Oh no, no,

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Speaker 1: Now Democrats would rather just do a lot of virtue signaling.

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Speaker 1: non citizens. And so I'm very confident we're gonna win

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Speaker 1: that case. We had take that all the way to

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Speaker 1: the US Supreme Court. You know, we got the restraining

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Speaker 1: order to stop a Title forty two from being revoked,

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Speaker 1: and you know on the permanent guidance, some of these

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Speaker 1: other cases are still winding them way through the courts,

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Speaker 1: complete disregard not only for administrative procedures, but they're shredding

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Speaker 1: the constitution of the process. And so I'm doing everything

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Speaker 1: I can but to try to hold them accountable and

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Speaker 1: to try to force them to just follow the existing law.

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Speaker 1: And so you know, we've been very successful in some cases.

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Speaker 1: In some cases we literally are having to take to

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Speaker 1: the US Supreme Court to make sure the court orders

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Speaker 1: the Biden administration just follow the law and do the

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Speaker 1: right thing. So with that in mind, what would need

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Speaker 1: to happen for I mean, right now, obviously a federal

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Speaker 1: judges said Title forty two cannot be rescinded as it

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Speaker 1: currently stands. At some point it will be rescinded. One

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Speaker 1: would assume, right it's a pandemic related CDC authority. So

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Speaker 1: what would have to happen for it to be legal?

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Speaker 1: And what would be the change is necessary from your

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Speaker 1: perspective that the Biden administration could make so that they

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Speaker 1: wouldn't get the massive search. I mean, we already have

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Speaker 1: a huge caravan. They asked him a ten to fifteen

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Speaker 1: thousand on the way, So what could they do differently?

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Speaker 1: And then how could we get and then what happens

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Speaker 1: when Title forty two goes Yeah, Title forty two, I

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Speaker 1: think we all recognize it's like the little kid the

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Speaker 1: story about holding the finger in the diet. I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's all we're doing. These are stock out measures, and

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Speaker 1: it's because the Biden administration is feeling to build the wall,

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Speaker 1: which when it was working, they tried to ascend the

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Speaker 1: remain in Mexico policy. They aren't deporting people's deportation orders.

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Speaker 1: They're trying to incentimize and monetize people coming here like

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Speaker 1: in government benefits. We're trying to stop that. So Type

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Speaker 1: forty two. What we basically argued is that, look, if

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Speaker 1: the Biden administration wants to rescind it, what has been

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Speaker 1: good for the goose is good for the gander and

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Speaker 1: an assents these left wing groups, they always sue Republican

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Speaker 1: administrations trying to tell them they cannot change rules or

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Speaker 1: policies without going through the proper rulemaking process. So what

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Speaker 1: we've said, and what the judge agreed with, is that

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Speaker 1: if the Biden administration wants to restend to revolt Title

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Speaker 1: legal process, and now would include rulemaking and public notice

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Speaker 1: in common and so yeah, ultimately, if the administration wants

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Speaker 1: to change that policy, they can, but we've are that

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Speaker 1: they have to do it in the legally correct way,

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Speaker 1: and that basically means the states get to have input

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Speaker 1: saying this has happens will affect us and this is

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Speaker 1: how illegal immigration is impacting us all over the country.

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Speaker 1: So they have to provide that notice and they have

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Speaker 1: to provide public input in notice in common from the

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Speaker 1: states as well. So you are currently the attorney general

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Speaker 1: in Arizona, you are running for a Senate seat on

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Speaker 1: the Republican side from your state. You have a primary

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Speaker 1: to get through here with your primary opponent being like

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Speaker 1: Masters Trump Donald Trump, former present the United States Dorist Masters,

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Speaker 1: and today he put out a statement I wanted to

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Speaker 1: let you react to a mister attorney general. He said

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Speaker 1: that Mark Bernovitch is such a disappointment to me. He

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Speaker 1: is the current Arizona attorney general, and while he understands

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Speaker 1: what took place in the twenty twenty presidential election and

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Speaker 1: that it was rigged and stolen, he only views it

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Speaker 1: as something he would not like to see happen again.

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Speaker 1: That was a statement that former President Trump put out,

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Speaker 1: how do you respond to that? I mean, I think

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Speaker 1: I've heard your policies, and I've seen a lot of

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Speaker 1: what you've you've done as attorney general. It would seem

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Speaker 1: to be in line with President Trump's ideology. So what

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Speaker 1: happened here? Yeah, you know, Buck, I can never control

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Speaker 1: whether people are going to say or do, and what

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Speaker 1: I've said, I'm literally told President Trump this is that

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Speaker 1: if you care about securing the border, if you care

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Speaker 1: about confirming good federal judges that were the first laws

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Speaker 1: it is, and not create policy. You care about low

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Speaker 1: energy prices and energy independence, if you care about low taxes,

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Speaker 1: low regulation, you go through that entire agenda. I've actually

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Speaker 1: been there. I mean, I was a prosecutor and I

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Speaker 1: began my career game prosecutor protecting our communities. I worked

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Speaker 1: in a think tank called the Goldwater to where I

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Speaker 1: wrote extensively about federalism and low energy prices. And now

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Speaker 1: as an age, look at all I've done. Whether we're

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Speaker 1: suing the Biden administration of run constitutional vaccine mandates were

510
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Speaker 1: literally last year, and I've brought this up to the President.

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Speaker 1: The most important election case in the generation is literally

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Speaker 1: called Bernavici, DNC, And when the left wing groups tried

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Speaker 1: to come into places like Arizona, I fought them all

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Speaker 1: the way to the Supreme Court and the Court of

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Speaker 1: heel ability of states like Arizona and other states now

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Speaker 1: to enact election integrity measures that limit and restrict ballot

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Speaker 1: harvesting and out of preseine voting. So I've actually been

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Speaker 1: in the forefront of these fights. So you get a

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Speaker 1: lot of folks now that come up and they talked

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Speaker 1: the talk, they've never walked the walk, They've never actually

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Speaker 1: been in the fight. And then they can say a

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Speaker 1: lot of things now, but where's the evidence, where's the

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Speaker 1: receipts as kids saying nowadays with what they've actually done.

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Speaker 1: And I've been in the forefront of this and holding

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Speaker 1: at the end of the day, I think it's important

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Speaker 1: to be principled. Arizona taken on Mark Kelly because the

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Speaker 1: stakes are so high, and if you want someone that

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Speaker 1: understands limited government, federalism and concernative principles, then I'm the

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Speaker 1: guy learning General Bernovitch, State of Arizona. Good to see you, Sara,

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Speaker 1: thanks for being with us today. Thanks Mark, Thank you

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Speaker 1: very much. Each morning, the president of the United States

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Speaker 1: CIA operations officer. Each morning at six am Eastern, I'll

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Speaker 1: bring you fifteen to twenty minutes of the most important

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Speaker 1: issues facing the country, giving you the critical intelligence and

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Speaker 1: analysis you need to start your morning. One of the

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Speaker 1: most liberal cities in America is putting its progressive prosecutor

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Speaker 1: on notice. Finally, the first time ever, San Francisco has

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Speaker 1: recalled its district attorney, Chessi bud Dan, as voters hold

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Speaker 1: him responsible for a surge in murders, violent crime, and

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Speaker 1: shameless shoplifting. So will this recall send a message to

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Speaker 1: soft on crime prosecutors across the country. Let's ask former

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Speaker 1: NYPD Coppen conservative commentator John Cardillo. John, good to see you. Hey,

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Speaker 1: Bacco is good to be again. So this is a

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Speaker 1: good thing. It's not a seismic shift, right, I'm sure

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Speaker 1: they're going to replace. When the mayor London Breed puts

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Speaker 1: forward his replacement and they have elections, they're going to

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Speaker 1: replace him with a Democrat to San Francisco. But at

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Speaker 1: least it's moving in the right direction here. What do

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Speaker 1: you think? Yeah, I mean, look one thing about We'll

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Speaker 1: get into this guy ratible as they come, right. Aaron's

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Speaker 1: for whether underground members, convicted cop killers, contemporaries of such

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Speaker 1: illustrious luminaries as Bill Ayres and Assada Shakur, who the

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Speaker 1: Joanne Chesimar and wrights a bit on those, I mean,

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Speaker 1: just radical radical terrorists. But here's the thing. Jesse Bodin

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Speaker 1: did not do one thing that he did not tell

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Speaker 1: people he was going to do any campaigned. Nothing was

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Speaker 1: a surprise with this guy. He laid out the blueprint

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Speaker 1: during his campaign then executed it to the letter. San

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Speaker 1: Franciscans is radical leftist. Fuck. Maybe they don't really like

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Speaker 1: the real life version of these utopian which are really

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Speaker 1: dystopian policies they promote. Because he didn't do anything he

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Speaker 1: didn't say he was going to do. Here he is

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Speaker 1: last night, by the way, in his concession speech, here's

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Speaker 1: Jesse Budan soon to be the former District Attorney of

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Speaker 1: San Francisco. Watch. People are angry, they're frustrated, and I

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Speaker 1: want to be very clear about what happened tonight. The

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Speaker 1: right wing billionaires outspent us three to one. They exploited

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Speaker 1: an environment in which people are appropriately upset, and they

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Speaker 1: created an electoral dynamic where we were literally shadow boxing.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is amazing. We just take this is amazing.

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Speaker 1: The right wing billionaires are I mean, sixty percent of

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Speaker 1: San Franciscans voted to kick this clown out of office

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Speaker 1: because they're sick of the home invasions, the assaults on

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Speaker 1: the street, the theft, the armed robbery, you name it.

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Speaker 1: And why does he think they're all so upset? This

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Speaker 1: guy is like a lunatic. Oh, I mean, didn't you

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Speaker 1: see the AGM and cameras that that hidden footage of

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Speaker 1: Hilarry Ellison and Elon must upping raw sewage and Herwin

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Speaker 1: needles on the streets of San Francisco. I mean, the

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Speaker 1: guys out of his mind. Look, he was letting bad

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Speaker 1: guys go free. He wasn't prosecuting worse bad guys. And

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Speaker 1: he and so many other Democrats have abandoned quality of life. Crimes.

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Speaker 1: They won't even touch him, which we know. You and

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Speaker 1: I know this, right, we both in some fashion with

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Speaker 1: the NYPD. You were over there on the intel side,

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Speaker 1: I was there on the law enforcement side. We know

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Speaker 1: that when you addressed what Rudy Giuliani get, addressing quality

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Speaker 1: of life crimes typically leads to a reduction in the

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Speaker 1: bigger crimes. This had nothing to do with anyone or

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Speaker 1: anything other than you're so polite in the way you

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Speaker 1: say his name as well Chessebo'dan's refusal to be a prosecutor.

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Speaker 1: He wanted to be a far less activist, not the

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Speaker 1: chief law enforcement officer, the chief prose prosecutorial officer of

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Speaker 1: the city of San Francisco. It's amazing, John, because as

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Speaker 1: we all know, there was a thirty percent increase in

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Speaker 1: homicides in nationwide in twenty twenty to twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 1: George Floyd Movement and BLM and all this played into this,

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Speaker 1: of course, But the progressive prosecutors, they had already been

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Speaker 1: seeded into all these different city bureaucracies in the years

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Speaker 1: leading up to this, in part because I think of

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump, right so twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen, you start

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Speaker 1: seeing the Chessa bou Dan and you know the Kim

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Speaker 1: And it wasn't just that they had one year. The

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Speaker 1: also terrible in these cities. So we knew it wasn't

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Speaker 1: for example, twenty twenty two verses twenty twenty one. Larceny

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Speaker 1: so far this year up twenty percent, assaults up eleven percent,

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Speaker 1: homicides up eleven percent, rape up nine percent. So they

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Speaker 1: had a terrible year of crime rise across the country,

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Speaker 1: but in San Francisco, San Francisco specific, and it keeps going. John,

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Speaker 1: I think that was what people disabled. Enough is enough? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean it goes back to addressing those quality of

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Speaker 1: life crimes, right, the broken windows pleasing strategies you do.

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Speaker 1: And I talk about this a lot, and so sometimes

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Speaker 1: I don't delve into it when we're on air, but

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Speaker 1: which I'm sure you do with your audience grows who

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Speaker 1: but what Rue Giuliani his police commissioners understood in New

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Speaker 1: York City in the nineties when they manage a crime reduction,

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Speaker 1: crime fell off a cliff in New York is if

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Speaker 1: you go after the little things, the big things follow.

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Speaker 1: Very simply put, if you arrest a guy or a

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Speaker 1: shoplifting or jumping the turnstile in the subway not paying

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Speaker 1: the fair oftentimes when you run their information after the arrest,

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Speaker 1: Has solved some of these bigger crimes, and but getting

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Speaker 1: those people off the street, returning them on those warrants

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00:36:08,977 --> 00:36:13,377
Speaker 1: to a judge, you were reducing crime across the board. Again,

639
00:36:13,457 --> 00:36:16,257
Speaker 1: these progressive das. I'm so glad you brought up Larry

640
00:36:16,297 --> 00:36:20,937
Speaker 1: Krasner in Philadelphia. He was really George Soros' first experiment

641
00:36:21,097 --> 00:36:25,057
Speaker 1: with funding far left district attorneys to affect social change

642
00:36:25,057 --> 00:36:27,777
Speaker 1: in the wrong direction. And look where Philadelphia is today.

643
00:36:27,817 --> 00:36:30,377
Speaker 1: It's a mess. I have phillyops reached out to me

644
00:36:30,417 --> 00:36:32,537
Speaker 1: on Twitter on Facebook all the time telling me how

645
00:36:32,577 --> 00:36:35,537
Speaker 1: bad it is. But it's very simple. If you address

646
00:36:35,657 --> 00:36:38,377
Speaker 1: the quality of life crimes, if you actually enforce the

647
00:36:38,457 --> 00:36:43,217
Speaker 1: law as crazy as it sounds, buck crime drops, and

648
00:36:43,257 --> 00:36:46,777
Speaker 1: when you do the opposite, prime rises. The big city

649
00:36:46,777 --> 00:36:49,257
Speaker 1: crime spike isn't just San Francisco, as I noted a

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00:36:49,257 --> 00:36:52,537
Speaker 1: moment ago, John, and again in its second year of

651
00:36:52,657 --> 00:36:55,177
Speaker 1: rise right twenty twenty, twenty twenty one was the worst

652
00:36:55,257 --> 00:36:57,457
Speaker 1: year pretty much ever for a one year crime spike

653
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Speaker 1: nationwide twenty twenty one verse twenty twenty two, though San

654
00:37:00,537 --> 00:37:03,337
Speaker 1: Francisco's up seven point eight percent, New York City though

655
00:37:03,977 --> 00:37:07,017
Speaker 1: with a new mayor, up thirty eight percent, Los Angeles

656
00:37:07,057 --> 00:37:11,297
Speaker 1: eleven percent, Chicago thirty five percent, Philadelphia twenty two. Philadelphia

657
00:37:11,377 --> 00:37:13,897
Speaker 1: last year had its all time murder record, and it's

658
00:37:14,057 --> 00:37:17,177
Speaker 1: just running slightly below that pace six months into twenty

659
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Speaker 1: twenty two. John, I, I just want to know what

660
00:37:20,097 --> 00:37:22,337
Speaker 1: your take is on I've got a theory that in

661
00:37:22,377 --> 00:37:25,617
Speaker 1: some of these cities they're realizing that the progressive prosecutors,

662
00:37:25,617 --> 00:37:28,737
Speaker 1: I mean, that's just essentially suicidal for the city, but

663
00:37:28,897 --> 00:37:31,737
Speaker 1: bringing in a kind of mainstream Democrat who's still a

664
00:37:31,777 --> 00:37:34,297
Speaker 1: little you know, wishywashi. That's not going to turn the

665
00:37:34,337 --> 00:37:37,177
Speaker 1: momentum around. They're gonna need a Giuliani like figure to

666
00:37:37,177 --> 00:37:40,457
Speaker 1: come in and say there's a new sheriff in town.

667
00:37:40,937 --> 00:37:43,137
Speaker 1: I mean New York City is the proof of that, right,

668
00:37:43,537 --> 00:37:45,497
Speaker 1: Eric said Eric Adams. I mean the guy who's in

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Speaker 1: New York City police officer, retired as a New York

670
00:37:49,617 --> 00:37:54,057
Speaker 1: City Police captain. And crime is rising in New York City.

671
00:37:54,097 --> 00:37:57,257
Speaker 1: Why because instead of being a leader, instead of saying

672
00:37:57,257 --> 00:37:59,097
Speaker 1: I had twenty three years in the New York City

673
00:37:59,097 --> 00:38:02,097
Speaker 1: Police Department, I made a d behind my name. But

674
00:38:02,137 --> 00:38:04,697
Speaker 1: I know it works, and I know what doesn't to

675
00:38:04,777 --> 00:38:07,697
Speaker 1: reduce crime. What's he doing? He's deferring to guys like

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00:38:07,777 --> 00:38:10,977
Speaker 1: Alvin Bragg, the bar left Manhattan District that won't prosecute

677
00:38:10,977 --> 00:38:14,937
Speaker 1: anyone for anything. He's now beholding the radicals in the

678
00:38:15,017 --> 00:38:18,737
Speaker 1: New York City Council and crime is rising. Also important

679
00:38:18,777 --> 00:38:21,417
Speaker 1: notice city like Portland, Ted Wheeler, one of the furthest

680
00:38:21,457 --> 00:38:23,937
Speaker 1: left mayors in the United States. There was a period

681
00:38:24,177 --> 00:38:26,497
Speaker 1: in those years you mentioned Buck twenty one, twenty two,

682
00:38:26,577 --> 00:38:30,857
Speaker 1: twenty to twenty one when Portland saw an eight hundred

683
00:38:31,057 --> 00:38:35,617
Speaker 1: percent increase in murders. This is unheard of. We haven't

684
00:38:35,617 --> 00:38:39,777
Speaker 1: seen these numbers since the seventies. Crazy, but we'll see

685
00:38:39,817 --> 00:38:41,977
Speaker 1: if people are waking up. Even Democrats they got to

686
00:38:42,017 --> 00:38:43,817
Speaker 1: wake up too, because they've managed to take over and

687
00:38:43,857 --> 00:38:47,217
Speaker 1: now destroy their own cities. John, my friend, always words

688
00:38:47,217 --> 00:38:50,017
Speaker 1: a wisdom. Good to see it, great to see a buck. Thanks.

689
00:38:55,657 --> 00:38:58,377
Speaker 1: Billionaire Elon Musk seems to have won at least one

690
00:38:58,417 --> 00:39:01,417
Speaker 1: battle against Twitter. Earlier this week, Must threaten to walk

691
00:39:01,457 --> 00:39:03,657
Speaker 1: away from a deal to buy the social media company

692
00:39:03,657 --> 00:39:06,897
Speaker 1: if it didn't allow him and his legal team full

693
00:39:06,937 --> 00:39:10,417
Speaker 1: access to its internal data to address concern about the

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Speaker 1: number of spambots on the platform. In a letter to Twitter,

695
00:39:13,777 --> 00:39:16,777
Speaker 1: must attorney wrote Twitter's latest offer to simply provide additional

696
00:39:16,897 --> 00:39:20,577
Speaker 1: details regarding the company's own testing methodologies, whether through written

697
00:39:20,577 --> 00:39:24,977
Speaker 1: materials or verbal explanations, is tantamount to refusing mister Musk's

698
00:39:25,057 --> 00:39:28,617
Speaker 1: data requests. Twitter's effort to characterize it otherwise is merely

699
00:39:28,617 --> 00:39:31,217
Speaker 1: an attempt to obfuscate and confuse the issue. Mister Musk

700
00:39:31,297 --> 00:39:33,337
Speaker 1: has made it clear he does not believe that the

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00:39:33,337 --> 00:39:37,337
Speaker 1: companies lacks testing methodologies are adequate, so he must conduct

702
00:39:37,457 --> 00:39:40,897
Speaker 1: his own analysis the data he has requested as necessary

703
00:39:40,937 --> 00:39:43,537
Speaker 1: to do so. After Twitter had about forty eight hours

704
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Speaker 1: of deliberation, it appears Musk will receive the information he

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Speaker 1: asked for. Joined me now to discuss former Facebook intelligence

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Speaker 1: analyst and director of Heritage's Heritage Foundations Tech Policy Center

707
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Speaker 1: Para Frederick Carrett. Thanks for being with us, orts, thanks

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Speaker 1: for having me. So let's start with what is it

709
00:40:00,457 --> 00:40:02,657
Speaker 1: forever and at home? You know, people work in this

710
00:40:02,657 --> 00:40:04,377
Speaker 1: stuff and the media care a lot more about the

711
00:40:04,377 --> 00:40:07,657
Speaker 1: Twitter situation, I think than everyday folks. But so explain

712
00:40:07,777 --> 00:40:12,257
Speaker 1: to us what the issue was here. There are too

713
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Speaker 1: many bots on. Basically, Elon, as the purchaser of Twitter,

714
00:40:15,457 --> 00:40:17,257
Speaker 1: wants to know how many fake accounts there are? Is

715
00:40:17,297 --> 00:40:21,377
Speaker 1: that what this is exactly? And the lawyers, the letters

716
00:40:21,417 --> 00:40:24,657
Speaker 1: that are flying between the lawyers, Elon's lawyers at least

717
00:40:24,697 --> 00:40:28,177
Speaker 1: are saying that this is a clear material breach of

718
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Speaker 1: the takeover agreement because Twitter has said we're not going

719
00:40:31,897 --> 00:40:33,737
Speaker 1: to let you look under the hood in this way.

720
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Speaker 1: We're not going to reveal proprietary information. They're calling it

721
00:40:37,177 --> 00:40:39,697
Speaker 1: private information that they don't want to reveal to the

722
00:40:39,737 --> 00:40:43,537
Speaker 1: public about their bot counting. And their spam methodologies. So

723
00:40:43,577 --> 00:40:47,897
Speaker 1: Twitter has itself publicly said that we the platform is

724
00:40:47,897 --> 00:40:51,457
Speaker 1: comprised of only five percent bots, but Elon said, nah,

725
00:40:51,537 --> 00:40:53,617
Speaker 1: I've done a little digging with my own people, and

726
00:40:53,657 --> 00:40:56,737
Speaker 1: we're thinking it could be upwards of twenty percent bots,

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00:40:57,257 --> 00:41:00,257
Speaker 1: composed of you know, what the platform is, or the

728
00:41:00,257 --> 00:41:04,057
Speaker 1: automated accounts that are on the platforms vice the real legitimate,

729
00:41:04,097 --> 00:41:08,137
Speaker 1: authentic users. So that's what this is about, because if

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Speaker 1: Twitter is comprised of twice any percent bobs, then Elon's

731
00:41:12,177 --> 00:41:14,657
Speaker 1: not getting his money's worth out of this platform. It

732
00:41:14,737 --> 00:41:17,897
Speaker 1: doesn't Hey, it's not real political discourse that's going on.

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Speaker 1: It's not real authentic users that are engaging with each other.

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Speaker 1: It's you know, those automated accounts that push various you

735
00:41:25,137 --> 00:41:29,817
Speaker 1: can push propaganda, you can push advertising, you can push

736
00:41:29,857 --> 00:41:33,697
Speaker 1: all sorts of crazy things, you know, strings and puppeteers

737
00:41:33,737 --> 00:41:37,017
Speaker 1: from state ling actors like the CCP can run rampant

738
00:41:37,017 --> 00:41:40,177
Speaker 1: on these platforms too. So Elon wants to know what

739
00:41:40,257 --> 00:41:44,297
Speaker 1: he's paying for, and Twitter has thus far said, we're

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00:41:44,497 --> 00:41:46,137
Speaker 1: not going to let you in on that because all

741
00:41:46,137 --> 00:41:50,377
Speaker 1: of that is proprietary to us, our private platform. In

742
00:41:50,417 --> 00:41:53,297
Speaker 1: an article on the Verge, they wrote that Twitter will

743
00:41:53,337 --> 00:41:57,497
Speaker 1: give Elon Musk fire hose data access to settle bot complaints,

744
00:41:57,497 --> 00:42:00,617
Speaker 1: and Twitter preparing to grant Elon Musk unprecedented access to

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00:42:00,817 --> 00:42:03,337
Speaker 1: platform data in an effort to address his concerns about

746
00:42:03,377 --> 00:42:09,057
Speaker 1: automated accounts. So this fire hose of data they're talking about,

747
00:42:10,217 --> 00:42:11,777
Speaker 1: how could they assume that? I mean, if someone's going

748
00:42:11,817 --> 00:42:14,097
Speaker 1: to buy your company, don't they and you have an

749
00:42:14,097 --> 00:42:16,017
Speaker 1: agreement with them that they're looking at they're doing their

750
00:42:16,097 --> 00:42:18,737
Speaker 1: due diligence. How could they hide this? I mean, that's

751
00:42:18,817 --> 00:42:22,217
Speaker 1: it just seems like this is so basic. Yeah, no kidding,

752
00:42:22,217 --> 00:42:24,377
Speaker 1: And that's why I think what's going through Elon's head

753
00:42:24,417 --> 00:42:27,577
Speaker 1: as well. He wants to make sure that he's what

754
00:42:27,657 --> 00:42:30,617
Speaker 1: he was promised is what he's actually getting. So if

755
00:42:30,657 --> 00:42:32,937
Speaker 1: that fire hose of data comes at him, you know,

756
00:42:33,017 --> 00:42:35,497
Speaker 1: Elon knows a lot of smart people in the industry.

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00:42:35,577 --> 00:42:39,177
Speaker 1: I hope he has an army of data scientists, of programmers,

758
00:42:39,217 --> 00:42:42,537
Speaker 1: of people who can actually comb through this data and

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00:42:42,617 --> 00:42:45,457
Speaker 1: make sense of it. That would be great and look

760
00:42:45,497 --> 00:42:48,857
Speaker 1: and basically double check the methodologies for bot counting and

761
00:42:48,897 --> 00:42:51,857
Speaker 1: all of these spam accounts. So that would be fantastic,

762
00:42:51,897 --> 00:42:54,457
Speaker 1: But you're right, it's the most basic thing. And what

763
00:42:54,537 --> 00:42:57,497
Speaker 1: I think this actually does end up highlighting buck is

764
00:42:57,537 --> 00:43:00,937
Speaker 1: the fact that these tech companies they do not operate

765
00:43:00,977 --> 00:43:03,977
Speaker 1: with transparency as one of their major goals or one

766
00:43:04,017 --> 00:43:08,137
Speaker 1: of their major values whatsoever. If Elon Musk, the richest

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00:43:08,177 --> 00:43:10,857
Speaker 1: man in the world, has to beg and beg and

768
00:43:10,977 --> 00:43:14,177
Speaker 1: beg to get access to a platform that he should

769
00:43:14,297 --> 00:43:17,017
Speaker 1: ultimately end up owning, then this is a problem. Think

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00:43:17,017 --> 00:43:20,537
Speaker 1: of what the average American user gets when they sign

771
00:43:20,617 --> 00:43:23,777
Speaker 1: up for these tech companies. It ain't transparency. Well, what

772
00:43:23,817 --> 00:43:25,777
Speaker 1: do you what do you think he may find here?

773
00:43:25,817 --> 00:43:29,497
Speaker 1: Because there's clearly some sensitivity on the part of the

774
00:43:29,657 --> 00:43:34,377
Speaker 1: current and hopefully soon to be former Twitter leadership about

775
00:43:34,457 --> 00:43:38,617
Speaker 1: their data their practices. Do you have some sense of

776
00:43:39,337 --> 00:43:43,057
Speaker 1: what Elon could be looking at beyond just bots? You know,

777
00:43:43,137 --> 00:43:47,377
Speaker 1: Twitter's had a long heads up right now, so they've

778
00:43:47,417 --> 00:43:49,497
Speaker 1: had time to sort of try to clean up their act.

779
00:43:49,697 --> 00:43:53,097
Speaker 1: There were reports initially when the deal first emerged in

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00:43:53,137 --> 00:43:55,777
Speaker 1: the public eye that they were sort of mining their

781
00:43:55,857 --> 00:43:59,617
Speaker 1: p's and ques, that they were halting all a product

782
00:43:59,697 --> 00:44:03,297
Speaker 1: tinkering and any sort of different sort of evolutions of

783
00:44:03,337 --> 00:44:06,417
Speaker 1: their product. From being shipped so that remember everyone was

784
00:44:06,457 --> 00:44:09,777
Speaker 1: experienced on the conservative side at least that there was

785
00:44:10,177 --> 00:44:13,737
Speaker 1: tick in user counts and whatnot. So I think they've

786
00:44:13,737 --> 00:44:16,257
Speaker 1: had a while to try to clean up their act

787
00:44:16,297 --> 00:44:20,177
Speaker 1: and get those content moderation processes. If they don't want

788
00:44:20,177 --> 00:44:23,737
Speaker 1: Elon to investigate and look at what they're doing that's

789
00:44:24,137 --> 00:44:28,377
Speaker 1: obviously been very biased, they're probably cleaning that up right now.

790
00:44:28,377 --> 00:44:30,737
Speaker 1: They've probably had a lot of time to clean it up,

791
00:44:31,297 --> 00:44:34,617
Speaker 1: as you know, we in the intelligence community to burn

792
00:44:34,657 --> 00:44:36,937
Speaker 1: all the documents and whatnot would have done before we're

793
00:44:36,977 --> 00:44:40,577
Speaker 1: getting out of embassies overseas, So I think it's I

794
00:44:40,617 --> 00:44:43,177
Speaker 1: think they've been given a lot of lead time to

795
00:44:43,177 --> 00:44:45,537
Speaker 1: clean up their act. But you know, Elon's good and

796
00:44:45,617 --> 00:44:48,217
Speaker 1: again he has really powerful friends who are good at

797
00:44:48,217 --> 00:44:50,737
Speaker 1: this stuff too, so we'll see. I think they'll be

798
00:44:50,737 --> 00:44:53,057
Speaker 1: able to ferret something out for the American people to

799
00:44:53,137 --> 00:44:56,937
Speaker 1: look at. Do you think this transaction, the purchase of Twitter,

800
00:44:57,257 --> 00:45:02,217
Speaker 1: which could have enormous implications for our information ecosystem on

801
00:45:02,257 --> 00:45:05,377
Speaker 1: the new side, just free speech implications in general, Do

802
00:45:05,417 --> 00:45:08,257
Speaker 1: you think Elan's gonna actually end up the owner of

803
00:45:08,297 --> 00:45:11,457
Speaker 1: Twitter based on what you're seeing? You know, book I

804
00:45:11,497 --> 00:45:14,137
Speaker 1: think it's fifty fifty. And just in terms of what

805
00:45:14,177 --> 00:45:17,857
Speaker 1: Elon's thinking himself, he could be walking away or he

806
00:45:17,897 --> 00:45:21,497
Speaker 1: could again be setting himself up for those more advantageous

807
00:45:21,617 --> 00:45:24,777
Speaker 1: terms and actually trying to get this platform added discount.

808
00:45:24,857 --> 00:45:27,577
Speaker 1: So at this point, you know, I was a little

809
00:45:27,617 --> 00:45:31,097
Speaker 1: skeptical in the beginning. Then my hope really really spiked.

810
00:45:31,137 --> 00:45:33,697
Speaker 1: But look at what they're throwing at him. Remember when

811
00:45:33,737 --> 00:45:36,857
Speaker 1: the board took those poison pills. Look at the Joint

812
00:45:36,897 --> 00:45:42,097
Speaker 1: SEC and DOJ investigations by the Biden administration reportedly into

813
00:45:42,257 --> 00:45:46,297
Speaker 1: his other business dealings. Look at the sexual misconduct allegations.

814
00:45:46,337 --> 00:45:49,617
Speaker 1: I mean, these people are throwing everything they can at Elon.

815
00:45:49,777 --> 00:45:53,377
Speaker 1: And if he ends up actually confirming that the bobs

816
00:45:53,417 --> 00:45:55,817
Speaker 1: are only at five percent or in an area that

817
00:45:55,897 --> 00:45:58,857
Speaker 1: Twitter sets they are, I really really hope he does,

818
00:45:58,897 --> 00:46:02,377
Speaker 1: and I really hope he takes over breaks the ideological

819
00:46:02,417 --> 00:46:06,417
Speaker 1: monopoly that these big tech companies have over Americans and

820
00:46:07,217 --> 00:46:09,897
Speaker 1: uses it as a force for free speech in the world,

821
00:46:10,097 --> 00:46:13,057
Speaker 1: as he says, So I hope it goes through. Right now,

822
00:46:13,137 --> 00:46:16,097
Speaker 1: I think it's fifty fifty. To be completely honest, do

823
00:46:16,177 --> 00:46:19,457
Speaker 1: any of these free speech devoted platforms that have been

824
00:46:19,497 --> 00:46:21,737
Speaker 1: popping up in the last couple of years. I mean,

825
00:46:21,777 --> 00:46:24,897
Speaker 1: you were at Facebook, which is kind of the granddaddy

826
00:46:24,937 --> 00:46:26,297
Speaker 1: of all this, if you will, right, I mean, the

827
00:46:26,457 --> 00:46:29,657
Speaker 1: biggest one and the one that really got the whole

828
00:46:29,697 --> 00:46:32,937
Speaker 1: social media revolution started. So do you think that whether

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00:46:32,977 --> 00:46:36,577
Speaker 1: it's Getter or truth Social or any of them, could

830
00:46:36,577 --> 00:46:40,377
Speaker 1: they maybe break parlor? Could they maybe break out? You know,

831
00:46:40,457 --> 00:46:44,217
Speaker 1: I think it really depends on their underlying technologies. So

832
00:46:44,497 --> 00:46:46,577
Speaker 1: there's a company called Rumble that you're familiar with, the

833
00:46:46,657 --> 00:46:50,857
Speaker 1: YouTube competitive competitor, and there they have their own cloud

834
00:46:50,897 --> 00:46:55,977
Speaker 1: hosting services. There's other even specifically designed cloud hosting services

835
00:46:55,977 --> 00:46:58,617
Speaker 1: that are for free speech, like righte Forge. So you know,

836
00:46:58,737 --> 00:47:03,257
Speaker 1: it depends on if they make themselves themselves invulnerable to

837
00:47:03,537 --> 00:47:06,697
Speaker 1: something like Amazon Web Services yanking a parlor off of

838
00:47:06,697 --> 00:47:10,177
Speaker 1: their cloud hosting services. So, conservatives, if they build with

839
00:47:10,257 --> 00:47:14,417
Speaker 1: that full digital stack in mind and have an acknowledgement

840
00:47:14,497 --> 00:47:17,857
Speaker 1: that the infrastructure actually matters, not just the platforms sitting

841
00:47:17,857 --> 00:47:20,777
Speaker 1: on top of those cloud oasting services and those servers,

842
00:47:21,057 --> 00:47:23,217
Speaker 1: then I think they have a chance at survival. But

843
00:47:23,297 --> 00:47:25,657
Speaker 1: if they just ride on top of what these big

844
00:47:25,657 --> 00:47:28,817
Speaker 1: tech platforms have already built, then you know there's always

845
00:47:28,817 --> 00:47:30,937
Speaker 1: the chance that you're going to get snuffed out, or

846
00:47:31,017 --> 00:47:34,217
Speaker 1: you have to be beholden to the ideology of these

847
00:47:34,257 --> 00:47:37,297
Speaker 1: companies and what they're pushing. Dare I always appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for being with us. Thanks Buck. Each morning, the

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Speaker 1: President of the United States receives a highly classified briefing

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Speaker 1: on the most important issues facing the country. It's called

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Speaker 1: the President's Daily Brief or PDB. It's delivered by America's

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Speaker 1: spies and analysts. Well, now you can hear your very

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Speaker 1: own PDB in the form of a podcast hosted by

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Speaker 1: me Brian Dean Wright, a former CIA operations officer. Each

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Speaker 1: morning at six a m. Eastern, I'll bring you fifteen

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Speaker 1: to twenty minutes of the most important issues facing the country,

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Speaker 1: giving you the critical intelligence and analysis you need to

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Speaker 1: start your morning.