WEBVTT - Drive Time: Previewing the Defensive Backs, Walk and Talk with Kader Kohou 0:00:01.680 --> 0:00:04.720 You are listening to the Miami Dolphins Podcast Network. 0:00:05.120 --> 0:00:08.280 This is Drive Time with Travis Wingfield. Back to throw 0:00:08.360 --> 0:00:10.720 to a looking clips about. 0:00:10.280 --> 0:00:17.040 A wide Dolphin touchdown Tyrick cal unfelievable, just blue. 0:00:16.840 --> 0:00:19.400 Fire for a second time. Don't know where he was 0:00:19.440 --> 0:00:20.320 going right away. 0:00:20.600 --> 0:00:21.880 I want to hit that man. 0:00:22.320 --> 0:00:24.279 I'm going to help you. Someone will step on his man. 0:00:24.200 --> 0:00:27.920 Away Wattle, Wadle to a shot gut back to throw 0:00:28.040 --> 0:00:30.120 looking at Them's up myers touchdown. 0:00:31.000 --> 0:00:33.560 It's Waddle his sixth touchdown. 0:00:33.640 --> 0:00:38.960 Part of the King Drive Time with Travis Wingfield begins. 0:00:39.560 --> 0:00:43.920 Now check your pulse if you're not. What is up? 0:00:44.040 --> 0:00:47.640 Dolphins? And welcome to the Draft Time podcast, part of 0:00:47.680 --> 0:00:52.640 Mimy Dolphins Podcast Network, covering your team, your Miami Dolphins. 0:00:52.640 --> 0:00:55.320 How's it going everybody? I am your host, Travis Wingfield. 0:00:55.320 --> 0:00:58.240 And on today's show, we are dropping by the defensive 0:00:58.320 --> 0:01:01.040 back room at Corners and Safety's go under the microscope 0:01:01.080 --> 0:01:03.880 today for the training camp preview series with practice now 0:01:04.000 --> 0:01:07.600 just two days away. Plus we'll hear from Dolphins standout 0:01:07.640 --> 0:01:10.280 rookie in twenty twenty two, entering his sophomore year, cater 0:01:10.440 --> 0:01:12.840 Co Who all of that more from the Baptist Health 0:01:12.959 --> 0:01:16.400 Training Complex or the Baptist Health Studios inside the Baptist 0:01:16.400 --> 0:01:19.880 Health Training Complex. This is the Drive Time podcast. 0:01:20.319 --> 0:01:21.800 Maya Caffish flash. 0:01:22.959 --> 0:01:24.720 Let's go ahead and kick this thing off with my 0:01:24.840 --> 0:01:28.440 walk and talk with Dolphins cornerback Cater Cooho. What's up, guys, 0:01:28.440 --> 0:01:30.320 Travis playing field here again for one hundred yards with 0:01:30.360 --> 0:01:32.560 Dolphins cornerback cater coo. Who So go ahead and start 0:01:32.600 --> 0:01:34.480 moving down the field here, cater out here at this 0:01:34.520 --> 0:01:36.240 practice field. All I can think about for you is, 0:01:36.280 --> 0:01:38.080 you know, going back to this time last year, You're 0:01:38.080 --> 0:01:39.960 a rookie trying to find your way. You have an 0:01:39.959 --> 0:01:42.000 awesome rookie season out here, you are going into your 0:01:42.080 --> 0:01:43.640 number two. Have you had a chance to kind of 0:01:43.640 --> 0:01:45.280 like look back and reflect on where you've been this 0:01:45.360 --> 0:01:45.800 last year? 0:01:46.080 --> 0:01:49.520 Nae was definitely surprising because I mean, just coming from 0:01:49.520 --> 0:01:51.440 the level I came from, it's hard to make it 0:01:51.520 --> 0:01:53.240 the NFL, no matter how. 0:01:53.120 --> 0:01:54.640 Good you think you are, hard is gonna be hard. 0:01:54.680 --> 0:01:56.840 So just reflecting on that and is just seeing that 0:01:56.880 --> 0:01:58.200 I made my Drene Heaving, It's crazy. 0:01:58.560 --> 0:02:00.960 Your dreamp coming through is awesome. One of those things 0:02:01.000 --> 0:02:03.120 is I'm sure going up against like Tyreek Hill, and 0:02:03.120 --> 0:02:06.960 I'm wondering, you know again coming out here for last spring, right, yeah, 0:02:07.120 --> 0:02:09.280 rookie minie camps, whatever might have been O Tas. Did 0:02:09.280 --> 0:02:11.040 you have a moment where it was like, Okay, this 0:02:11.080 --> 0:02:12.840 is the NFL, it's say in Texas, am commerce. 0:02:12.800 --> 0:02:13.880 Yea, now almost definitely. 0:02:13.919 --> 0:02:16.440 When I saw we did rookie minicicamp and then we 0:02:16.520 --> 0:02:18.040 came in at Monday, I saw him in the locker 0:02:18.080 --> 0:02:19.799 room and stuff, I like, Don, that's really tired, heel. 0:02:19.880 --> 0:02:21.360 But then you kind of have to just let that 0:02:21.400 --> 0:02:22.160 go for a little. 0:02:21.919 --> 0:02:23.760 Bit because you arch on to earn a spot, So 0:02:23.800 --> 0:02:25.280 you just have to go out there and just compete 0:02:25.360 --> 0:02:26.639 just against him like he's everybody else. 0:02:26.639 --> 0:02:28.120 Because fast forward a few months later, you're starting a 0:02:28.160 --> 0:02:29.919 playoff game for the Mighty Dolphins taking players. Do you 0:02:29.960 --> 0:02:32.239 think about that about how far you came in that process? Not? 0:02:32.240 --> 0:02:33.079 Almost definitely. 0:02:33.480 --> 0:02:36.200 I feel like when I was here for OTA's their 0:02:36.280 --> 0:02:40.000 rookie that rookie season, I was like kind of drawn 0:02:40.040 --> 0:02:42.240 and water like everything was like moving a little too 0:02:42.240 --> 0:02:42.760 fast and stuff. 0:02:42.760 --> 0:02:43.720 And then we took that month off. 0:02:43.720 --> 0:02:46.000 I went home kind of regrouped, and then came back 0:02:46.040 --> 0:02:47.799 and but nah, that was crazy I was starting the 0:02:47.800 --> 0:02:50.000 playoff game going from Washington on TV as you're playing 0:02:50.000 --> 0:02:50.160 in it. 0:02:50.639 --> 0:02:51.840 If you had to give a piece of advice to 0:02:51.840 --> 0:02:54.560 an undrafted rookie bow to be uh. 0:02:54.560 --> 0:02:56.799 Just compete, do all the low things right. 0:02:58.160 --> 0:02:59.760 You know you're already undrafted, so you don't have really 0:02:59.800 --> 0:03:03.360 have him to like on stuff like being laid not 0:03:03.480 --> 0:03:05.040 knowing your play book and stuff like that. 0:03:05.320 --> 0:03:07.920 Definitely getting to know coach Crossman too, right, YEA special team. 0:03:07.800 --> 0:03:09.639 Yeah, definitely, Oh god, yeah, special teams big. 0:03:10.560 --> 0:03:13.000 So you play with under cornerback coach Sam Madison. I 0:03:13.040 --> 0:03:15.680 don't know, he's royalty around here. What's like learning under him? 0:03:15.919 --> 0:03:16.079 Nah? 0:03:16.200 --> 0:03:18.400 Sam, I feel like he's He's a big part of 0:03:18.400 --> 0:03:20.520 my success, Like not even just from the coaching standpoint, 0:03:20.560 --> 0:03:22.760 but like him just being kind of like a mentor. 0:03:22.800 --> 0:03:25.920 He's always hyped me up, like before games, before plays, 0:03:25.960 --> 0:03:28.160 and you know he played the position, so listening to 0:03:28.200 --> 0:03:31.160 anything he has to say is like it's like golden. 0:03:30.960 --> 0:03:32.680 You gotta have that. So you know, were too here 0:03:32.880 --> 0:03:34.560 you look upon you know, rookie year, great year if 0:03:34.560 --> 0:03:36.200 you obviously great year for the team. What are your 0:03:36.200 --> 0:03:37.920 goals heading into the second season for yourself and for 0:03:37.960 --> 0:03:38.800 the team. 0:03:39.120 --> 0:03:41.960 Uh, I think I'll be said myself short if I said, 0:03:41.960 --> 0:03:43.760 we're not trying to win the super Bowl with that 0:03:43.880 --> 0:03:45.480 much the talent that we have on the team. 0:03:45.600 --> 0:03:46.960 I think that's like a team goal. 0:03:47.000 --> 0:03:49.240 But for me, just you know, building on what I 0:03:49.240 --> 0:03:50.960 did my first year and then correcting like a lot 0:03:50.960 --> 0:03:53.760 of mistakes. Uh me personally, Like I feel like I 0:03:53.760 --> 0:03:56.160 had a lot of penalties and stuff, so limiting that 0:03:56.280 --> 0:03:59.680 and just making a lot more players getting like more interceptions, 0:04:00.640 --> 0:04:01.360 uh stuff like that. 0:04:01.560 --> 0:04:03.240 Was it pretty neat to pick off Aaron Rodgers on 0:04:03.240 --> 0:04:04.080 the en zone right back here? 0:04:04.120 --> 0:04:07.119 Yeah? Was definitely Christmas Day? Yeah, exactly Christmas gift. 0:04:07.200 --> 0:04:08.720 Did your family talk about that at all with fear? Like, 0:04:08.760 --> 0:04:11.360 what was that conversation like your family after the pick? 0:04:11.800 --> 0:04:12.440 I'm not gonna I. 0:04:12.400 --> 0:04:14.200 Don't think my parents even know who Aaron Rodgers is. 0:04:14.240 --> 0:04:15.880 So it was more so like conversation I had with 0:04:15.960 --> 0:04:17.279 like friends and stuff like that. 0:04:17.360 --> 0:04:18.320 But yeah, that's good stuff. 0:04:18.360 --> 0:04:19.960 So you number two here a new defensive corner to 0:04:20.040 --> 0:04:22.159 Vic Fangio, you talk about sam Asmon being a legend 0:04:22.240 --> 0:04:24.120 mixed the legend of his own right, what's been like 0:04:24.160 --> 0:04:25.320 kind of getting to know him and has a new 0:04:25.320 --> 0:04:25.840 defense here. 0:04:26.480 --> 0:04:27.640 Uh, the defense is gonna be fun. 0:04:27.720 --> 0:04:30.400 It's exciting, like we all have eyes on the ball 0:04:30.440 --> 0:04:32.520 and stuff like that, and just learning it from mc godfield, 0:04:32.520 --> 0:04:34.800 Like everywhere he's been, like his defense have been in 0:04:34.800 --> 0:04:35.440 the top five. 0:04:35.520 --> 0:04:37.280 So hopefully that's what we can do here. 0:04:37.279 --> 0:04:38.960 We're getting close to the end zone here. Hopefully one 0:04:38.960 --> 0:04:40.440 of your picks that sure goes back for six. 0:04:40.560 --> 0:04:41.080 If you do. 0:04:41.640 --> 0:04:43.320 Have you got a celebration plan for us? 0:04:43.800 --> 0:04:47.000 Uh, not of right now, but as the closer we 0:04:47.000 --> 0:04:48.200 get to the season, I'm gonna have to come up 0:04:48.240 --> 0:04:49.520 with something because last year I feel like I was 0:04:49.520 --> 0:04:51.240 selling myself with the celebrations I had. 0:04:51.279 --> 0:04:53.000 Who do you think has so we got cheated? Does 0:04:53.040 --> 0:04:56.200 the backflip Wattle has? That's my pick the wild I 0:04:56.200 --> 0:04:59.279 think Raheem maybe has the most underrated touchofs on the NFL. 0:04:59.600 --> 0:05:00.599 Who do you thin he has the best one on. 0:05:00.600 --> 0:05:04.520 The team on the team, Uh, either Waddle? 0:05:05.520 --> 0:05:07.800 I like Javon's it's not a verget, but when he 0:05:07.839 --> 0:05:09.080 pulls the thing out, yeah, I like that. 0:05:09.120 --> 0:05:11.120 It's a pretty good stuff. Kay. I appreciate time, yes, 0:05:11.279 --> 0:05:11.960 of course. 0:05:12.440 --> 0:05:15.200 And away he goes really fun. Interviewed there with Cater 0:05:15.360 --> 0:05:17.120 let's go ahead and come back on the other side. 0:05:17.160 --> 0:05:19.520 We'll do We'll split the room in half. We'll go 0:05:19.960 --> 0:05:21.960 in order of jersey number. We'll talk about the corners 0:05:21.960 --> 0:05:25.359 and safeties. That's next Drive Time podcast, your host, Travis Wingfield, 0:05:25.480 --> 0:05:30.400 brought to you by Auto Nation. We have two more 0:05:30.400 --> 0:05:33.400 groups to go after today. It's the interior defensive line 0:05:33.400 --> 0:05:36.400 and the specialists. And we're gonna go ahead and conclude 0:05:36.480 --> 0:05:38.640 the back end of the defense here with the defensive backs. 0:05:38.800 --> 0:05:40.320 And we start with the guy we just talked to you, 0:05:40.400 --> 0:05:43.120 number four, Cater Koho. You guys know what I think 0:05:43.120 --> 0:05:45.719 of Cater Cooho's game. And now he's wearing the number 0:05:45.720 --> 0:05:48.400 that I wore my entire childhood all the way up 0:05:48.400 --> 0:05:52.600 through college, between baseball and basketball twenty five combined seasons, 0:05:52.680 --> 0:05:55.120 number four, which makes me like it even more. He 0:05:55.200 --> 0:05:57.880 was the sixth best tackler against the screen among corners 0:05:57.880 --> 0:06:00.720 when it comes to volume, twenty eight runs twenty eight 0:06:00.760 --> 0:06:04.520 plays that were defensive wins against. I guess it's not 0:06:04.560 --> 0:06:07.320 just runs, it's against total stops. But you get the idea. 0:06:07.440 --> 0:06:09.840 He was six among all corners in that category. And 0:06:09.880 --> 0:06:12.599 it wasn't just how he got ball carriers to the ground, 0:06:12.760 --> 0:06:15.560 which is great, but he always found a way to 0:06:15.760 --> 0:06:18.320 just read out those screens like it showed to me 0:06:18.440 --> 0:06:21.680 his film study and preparation for understanding what pre snap 0:06:21.720 --> 0:06:25.320 alignments and what formations and what motions most often lent 0:06:25.400 --> 0:06:28.479 themselves to screenplays because he was always playing faster than 0:06:28.520 --> 0:06:30.600 the guy's reacting in front of him, and that helps 0:06:30.680 --> 0:06:32.720 him to go blow up a block and create the 0:06:32.800 --> 0:06:34.840 chance for somebody else to have a free run at 0:06:34.839 --> 0:06:37.360 the ballcarrier. So if he's not making the play himself, 0:06:37.360 --> 0:06:39.680 he's usually helping somebody else make the play on the perimeter. 0:06:39.960 --> 0:06:43.440 He showed exceptional man coverage skills, change of direction, The 0:06:43.480 --> 0:06:46.240 way he played that underneath trail technique was so impressive 0:06:46.279 --> 0:06:49.560 all year. It did kind of, you know, spurn some penalties, 0:06:49.800 --> 0:06:51.880 which is one area of his game he can clean up. 0:06:51.920 --> 0:06:54.400 He talked about that in the interview. But aside from that, 0:06:54.440 --> 0:06:55.920 I don't know what you look at in this guy's 0:06:55.960 --> 0:06:57.640 game that doesn't have you pumped up, because he kind 0:06:57.640 --> 0:06:59.680 of reminds me of Zach Seeler. You know now that 0:06:59.800 --> 0:07:01.839 Zach is kind of getting that shine that he deserved 0:07:01.880 --> 0:07:03.880 for a couple of years in that I'm not so 0:07:03.920 --> 0:07:06.200 sure how many folks around the league are familiar with 0:07:06.279 --> 0:07:08.800 just how good he was as a rookie. He was 0:07:08.880 --> 0:07:11.360 really really good last year coming into camp, you know, 0:07:11.400 --> 0:07:14.440 a udfa just trying to make the team. But how 0:07:14.480 --> 0:07:17.000 would that banged up cornerback room have looked last year 0:07:17.040 --> 0:07:19.080 if we didn't have Coohu playing at the level he 0:07:19.120 --> 0:07:21.920 played at seven hundred and eighteen yards allowed on six 0:07:22.080 --> 0:07:24.680 hundred and thirty coverage snaps, playing all over the formation, 0:07:25.120 --> 0:07:27.560 going from Texas A and M Commerce to you know, 0:07:27.600 --> 0:07:30.680 Stefan Diggs like it's a major jump in competition. He 0:07:30.760 --> 0:07:33.280 did not back down from it at all. You'll hear 0:07:33.320 --> 0:07:34.840 this in the Walk and talker. You did hear it 0:07:34.840 --> 0:07:37.080 in the Walk and talk. The penalties is the one 0:07:37.120 --> 0:07:39.200 area that he can help clean up. Besides that, have 0:07:39.280 --> 0:07:41.640 to just be thrilled about where he is in his 0:07:41.680 --> 0:07:43.320 game right now. I think he's going to be a 0:07:43.320 --> 0:07:46.520 staple in the secondary for a long time. Speaking of Staples, 0:07:47.800 --> 0:07:51.239 number five, Jalen Ramsey the only cornerback in the NFL 0:07:51.280 --> 0:07:54.080 for PFF to get a top ten grade each the 0:07:54.160 --> 0:07:56.800 last three seasons, and frankly, I think calling him a 0:07:56.800 --> 0:08:00.680 cornerback is short changing his impact. He's played star, he's 0:08:00.720 --> 0:08:03.880 played the post, He's played down on the last scrimmage, buck, linebacker, 0:08:03.960 --> 0:08:07.000 slot perimeter, you name him. He can do anything on 0:08:07.000 --> 0:08:09.200 a football field. He's one of the smartest players you'll 0:08:09.200 --> 0:08:12.560 ever see. We had Jordan Rodrigan when we acquired Jalen. 0:08:12.720 --> 0:08:15.560 She talked about how it's important to challenge him and 0:08:15.600 --> 0:08:17.480 to make him feel engaged and have him be a 0:08:17.480 --> 0:08:19.280 part of the defensive install I think that's what Vic 0:08:19.280 --> 0:08:21.040 Fangio is going to do to a tea here. I 0:08:21.040 --> 0:08:23.680 think having him Javon Holland and Xavier and Howard, who 0:08:24.040 --> 0:08:28.520 understand passing attacks and route concepts and quarterback process and 0:08:28.560 --> 0:08:30.560 kind of the things they're looking for, as well as 0:08:30.720 --> 0:08:32.680 any defensive back not just on the team but in 0:08:32.720 --> 0:08:36.320 the game, makes this a dangerous as hell secondary to 0:08:36.400 --> 0:08:38.840 try to throw against. I cannot wait to see how 0:08:38.920 --> 0:08:41.760 they deploy Ramsey week to week. This is the best 0:08:41.920 --> 0:08:45.360 possible new shiny toy for coach Fangio and the one 0:08:45.400 --> 0:08:48.040 that he could have gotten. The numbers are absurd. It's 0:08:48.080 --> 0:08:50.840 across the board. Like we've talked about corners and tackling 0:08:50.840 --> 0:08:53.280 in this defense, and Coho's twenty eight run stops well, 0:08:53.600 --> 0:08:55.920 Ramsey had twenty seven. Last year he had twenty six 0:08:55.960 --> 0:08:58.920 and twenty twenty one. He also has eight picks in 0:08:58.960 --> 0:09:01.800 that time span two years combined, he's got seventy two 0:09:01.880 --> 0:09:05.200 career pass breakups with twenty picks. He never really blitzed 0:09:05.240 --> 0:09:07.800 until he got to Los Angeles, but over those three years, 0:09:07.960 --> 0:09:11.160 fifty seven rush attempts and seventeen pressures with a couple 0:09:11.160 --> 0:09:13.199 of sacks in there as well. We know he's one 0:09:13.200 --> 0:09:16.320 of the premier shutdown corners or dbs and can match 0:09:16.400 --> 0:09:19.760 up on Travis Kelce or you know, Christian McAffrey if 0:09:19.760 --> 0:09:22.520 he has to. I talked about being around one yard 0:09:22.520 --> 0:09:25.120 per coverage snap allowed as being good. Well, when you 0:09:25.160 --> 0:09:28.160 factor in his entire career, which usually rookies have a 0:09:28.160 --> 0:09:29.880 bit of a learning curve or you know whatever, a 0:09:29.920 --> 0:09:32.840 new team, maybe forty six hundred career coverage snap for 0:09:32.880 --> 0:09:35.920 Jayalen Ramsey. He's allowed forty seven hundred yards, like, barely 0:09:35.960 --> 0:09:39.920 over one yard per snap, fifty eight percent receptions allowed, 0:09:40.040 --> 0:09:42.560 nearly as many picks as touchdowns twenty six to twenty. 0:09:43.080 --> 0:09:45.720 Just crazy to get Tyreek one year and then Jalen 0:09:45.760 --> 0:09:48.960 the next. Sure is fun, isn't it. Number six Trill Williams. 0:09:48.960 --> 0:09:50.920 Back to my point about the depth of the roster 0:09:51.040 --> 0:09:54.000 offering so much upside. Trill was having an awesome camp 0:09:54.120 --> 0:09:57.480 last year before his injury. Long physical player. He's got 0:09:57.600 --> 0:10:00.640 really good man coverage skill sets where he would just 0:10:00.679 --> 0:10:02.880 get on top of the receiver at Syracuse and smother 0:10:02.960 --> 0:10:05.439 them and work back down the stem too. He's got 0:10:05.480 --> 0:10:07.319 to be itching to get back out there on the 0:10:07.360 --> 0:10:09.480 football field because he was again having a great camp 0:10:09.520 --> 0:10:11.920 before he got hurt. High upside player and I really 0:10:11.960 --> 0:10:14.160 hope he comes back healthy and gets that chance to 0:10:14.200 --> 0:10:16.680 make an impact this year. We are just what five 0:10:16.679 --> 0:10:18.520 players in or four players in, and you already have 0:10:18.640 --> 0:10:21.480 like three guys that have been awesome at this level. 0:10:21.720 --> 0:10:25.040 Number eight Javon Holland. People around the league buzz about 0:10:25.040 --> 0:10:27.240 this guy, and it's so easy to see why. I 0:10:27.280 --> 0:10:29.400 think the best thing you can say about a safety 0:10:29.640 --> 0:10:31.560 is that he can hold down his rules on a 0:10:31.559 --> 0:10:34.920 given snap but then also create outside of structure to 0:10:35.000 --> 0:10:37.880 go find the ball. And to me, that's Holland's calling card. 0:10:38.679 --> 0:10:40.960 We praise Christian Wilkins, and we'll do it on tomorrow's 0:10:41.000 --> 0:10:44.720 episode for doing just that but for a safety, you know, 0:10:44.920 --> 0:10:47.839 for Christian that results in more TFLs and more stuff 0:10:47.880 --> 0:10:50.439 at the last scrimmage for Javon Holland to peel off 0:10:50.480 --> 0:10:52.840 of his man in coverage or floating outside of his 0:10:52.960 --> 0:10:55.160 zone because he recognizes what's going on in the backside 0:10:55.200 --> 0:10:57.640 of the formation. You go back to Oregon, his tape 0:10:57.679 --> 0:10:59.520 was littered with plays like that where he comes off 0:10:59.559 --> 0:11:02.000 his respect onsibility and makes a play on the football 0:11:02.040 --> 0:11:03.760 and it changes the game that way. Hit a pick 0:11:03.800 --> 0:11:06.680 six against the Cougars in a game against Washington State 0:11:06.679 --> 0:11:08.800 a few years back that basically won the game for them, 0:11:08.800 --> 0:11:11.360 and I still haven't forgiven him for that. One of 0:11:11.360 --> 0:11:14.559 the more cerebrally sound, instinctive players I've seen since I 0:11:14.600 --> 0:11:16.559 got here, really since I've been watching this game in 0:11:16.640 --> 0:11:18.800 league for you know, so intently for the last twenty 0:11:18.920 --> 0:11:21.040 five years. He can play in the post, he can 0:11:21.040 --> 0:11:23.319 have around the line of scrimmage, he can match up inside. 0:11:23.440 --> 0:11:25.240 He's kind of like Ramsey in that way. He splits 0:11:25.280 --> 0:11:27.959 one hundred and two times in his career twenty five pressures. 0:11:28.000 --> 0:11:30.199 I think twenty five percent is pretty damn good. Twenty 0:11:30.240 --> 0:11:33.080 eight run stops even from that post position so frequently 0:11:33.120 --> 0:11:35.600 last year. Remember that spy rep he had in Buffalo 0:11:35.880 --> 0:11:38.400 bringing Josh Allen down to the ground an open space 0:11:38.440 --> 0:11:40.439 on third down, backed up in their own zone or 0:11:40.480 --> 0:11:42.880 their own end. I should say big plays just happened 0:11:42.880 --> 0:11:45.040 when Number eight's involved. He also picked them off in 0:11:45.080 --> 0:11:47.880 the playoffs. Pro Football Focus has him with the same 0:11:47.960 --> 0:11:51.720 number of touchdowns allowed as picks in his career five apiece. Frankly, 0:11:52.679 --> 0:11:54.280 I don't think the numbers do is tape justice. I 0:11:54.280 --> 0:11:56.240 think he's one of the best players in the game today. 0:11:56.520 --> 0:11:59.520 Number nine, Noah igbinoghany. I feel like Noah has really 0:11:59.520 --> 0:12:01.160 been on the cut for a while here where he's 0:12:01.160 --> 0:12:04.240 showing flashes, just hasn't quite put it all together. I 0:12:04.280 --> 0:12:07.000 think that the awareness and instincts and understanding when you 0:12:07.040 --> 0:12:10.079 know your rules are this, but the play went differently, 0:12:10.160 --> 0:12:12.120 So go, you know, match that guy and don't just 0:12:12.160 --> 0:12:14.320 cover grass. That's kind of the next step for him. 0:12:14.520 --> 0:12:16.600 But I mean, he clinched a win for the Dolphins 0:12:16.679 --> 0:12:19.000 last year with that pick against Pittsburgh. Maybe we don't 0:12:19.000 --> 0:12:21.600 make the postseason without that play. Has the physical tools, 0:12:21.640 --> 0:12:23.080 just kind of has to put together from the mental 0:12:23.080 --> 0:12:25.360 side of things and he's still just twenty three years old. 0:12:25.360 --> 0:12:26.880 I'm excited to get a chance to watch him here 0:12:26.920 --> 0:12:28.760 in camp with a clean slate. Let's go ahead and 0:12:28.800 --> 0:12:30.480 take our last break right there and come back on 0:12:30.520 --> 0:12:32.640 the other side and do the rest of the room. 0:12:32.679 --> 0:12:36.040 That's next Draft Time Podcast, your host, Travis Wingfield, brought 0:12:36.040 --> 0:12:42.040 to you by Bouto Nation, Continuing here on the Defensive 0:12:42.160 --> 0:12:45.920 Back Preview edition of the training camp preview series. Here 0:12:45.960 --> 0:12:48.040 in twenty twenty three on the Draft Time Podcast, and 0:12:48.080 --> 0:12:50.720 we start in the twenties here with number twenty, Justin Bethel, 0:12:50.960 --> 0:12:53.280 who just kept making plays last year when called upon 0:12:53.440 --> 0:12:56.320 with all those defensive back injuries. Then he'd turn around 0:12:56.320 --> 0:12:58.560 and go, you know, cover a punt and down it 0:12:58.600 --> 0:13:01.160 at the four yard line. I having Justin Bethel here 0:13:01.200 --> 0:13:04.240 is just, like I'd say, a comforting feeling. You know 0:13:04.320 --> 0:13:06.560 you're getting special teams production from him. He's proven that 0:13:06.559 --> 0:13:09.120 he's a quality depth piece in the defensive backfield as well. 0:13:09.200 --> 0:13:11.760 One hundred and two coverage snaps were his most since 0:13:11.800 --> 0:13:15.000 twenty seventeen with the Cardinals, and teams were just twelve 0:13:15.000 --> 0:13:17.920 of twenty with one hundred and seven yards and touchdown 0:13:17.920 --> 0:13:20.280 and a pick. Targeting him. It's a seventy point two 0:13:20.320 --> 0:13:22.680 passer rating. Every time he came off the bench and 0:13:22.679 --> 0:13:24.520 stepped into the game, he made plays like it was. 0:13:24.679 --> 0:13:27.320 It was fun to watch. Number twenty one Deshaun Elliott. 0:13:27.360 --> 0:13:29.480 I'm sure you've all seen the walk and talk by now. 0:13:30.080 --> 0:13:32.560 An absolute character for the locker room. Witty as hell, 0:13:32.600 --> 0:13:34.480 funny as all get out. He's got jokes on top 0:13:34.520 --> 0:13:37.679 of jokes, but once the whistle sounds, it becomes all business. 0:13:37.720 --> 0:13:40.080 He plays the game the way you want to see it. 0:13:40.480 --> 0:13:43.280 I was a Reds fan. My buddy Kevin Dermill appreciate this. 0:13:43.960 --> 0:13:45.840 I was a Reds fan when Griffy got traded there 0:13:45.960 --> 0:13:47.960 and they had a player named Ryan Friel. He was 0:13:48.000 --> 0:13:50.880 like a utility player that got a lot of playing 0:13:50.920 --> 0:13:52.720 time because injuries happened, and he just kind of plugged 0:13:52.760 --> 0:13:55.000 into every spot. And he would like do the Derek 0:13:55.120 --> 0:13:57.640 Jeter full on sprint into the wall and jump into 0:13:57.640 --> 0:13:59.720 the stands and make a diving catch. It's kind of 0:13:59.720 --> 0:14:02.160 how sewn Elliott plays the game. Pedal to the floor 0:14:02.240 --> 0:14:04.640 at all times. Have you seen his force fumble when 0:14:04.640 --> 0:14:07.200 he was went with Baltimore on Derrick Henry. Yeah, the 0:14:07.200 --> 0:14:09.760 two hundred and fifty pound Derek Henry who got decleted 0:14:09.800 --> 0:14:12.160 by a two hundred and ten pound Deshaun Elliott. It 0:14:12.160 --> 0:14:15.120 tells you about the force and the conviction he plays 0:14:15.120 --> 0:14:17.480 the game with. What's best is I think he's kind 0:14:17.480 --> 0:14:19.920 of a blend in terms of play style between both 0:14:19.960 --> 0:14:23.160 Javon and Brandon Jones and gives you tons of flexibility 0:14:23.160 --> 0:14:26.400 within those big nickel packages three safety looks on defense, 0:14:26.440 --> 0:14:29.040 and I love the idea of going into super heavy 0:14:29.080 --> 0:14:31.840 dB packages, you know, dime, half dollar dollar six, seven 0:14:31.880 --> 0:14:35.240 eight defensive backs and putting guys like Javon and Deshaun 0:14:35.640 --> 0:14:38.520 and then you know, Jalen Ramsey and Cater Coohu at 0:14:38.520 --> 0:14:40.480 the sticks and saying, all right, it's third and nineteen. 0:14:40.680 --> 0:14:43.920 We're gonna unleash, fill up some chubb and ogbad Wilkins 0:14:43.920 --> 0:14:45.920 at you. And then if you can complete a past, 0:14:46.000 --> 0:14:48.080 you know, ten yards down the field, now you have 0:14:48.160 --> 0:14:50.320 to break the tackle of four of the best tackling 0:14:50.320 --> 0:14:52.360 defensive backs of the National Football League. Just put up 0:14:52.360 --> 0:14:54.200 a wall and don't let him get past it there 0:14:54.320 --> 0:14:56.240 and get off the field. On third long. He made 0:14:56.280 --> 0:14:58.480 twenty run stops last year on three hundred and twenty 0:14:58.520 --> 0:15:01.040 one run defensive plays, playing them majority of his snaps 0:15:01.080 --> 0:15:03.600 in the post. It was pretty evenly split, but majority 0:15:03.640 --> 0:15:06.200 means the most three sixty four versus two seventy nine 0:15:06.280 --> 0:15:10.000 post in box. Teams have a passer rating of eighty 0:15:10.120 --> 0:15:11.760 nine point three been targeting him in his career and 0:15:11.800 --> 0:15:14.000 he's got twenty one pressures on one hundred and three 0:15:14.000 --> 0:15:16.440 pass rush rips. Like Deshaun Elliott's game a lot number 0:15:16.440 --> 0:15:19.480 twenty two. Elijah Campbell another good tackler with special team's 0:15:19.480 --> 0:15:22.480 pelts on the wall. Got some action last year in 0:15:22.520 --> 0:15:24.080 the back half of the year with all the injuries 0:15:24.120 --> 0:15:26.160 and had some ups and downs, but there's some good 0:15:26.200 --> 0:15:28.280 defensive tape there, the way he plays screens and kind 0:15:28.280 --> 0:15:31.440 of impacts passing lanth windows in the short passing game. 0:15:31.960 --> 0:15:34.160 It's a tough secondary to crack. But I do think 0:15:34.200 --> 0:15:37.880 that Elijah Campbell is gonna have a job somewhere, whether 0:15:37.880 --> 0:15:40.160 it's here or somewhere else. Like it's such a deep room, 0:15:40.200 --> 0:15:42.240 but I don't think he'd have trouble finding work if 0:15:42.240 --> 0:15:43.840 he was like the last man out of the room, 0:15:43.880 --> 0:15:47.840 because there's a physical skill set where teams need guys 0:15:47.880 --> 0:15:50.440 like him with a length and explosiveness he has down there, 0:15:50.440 --> 0:15:52.640 a thumper with good change of direction, which I think 0:15:52.680 --> 0:15:55.600 shows up the most on his special teams tape. PFF 0:15:55.640 --> 0:15:57.720 had him with three hundred and ten special team snaps 0:15:57.800 --> 0:16:00.520 last year. It's a core guy for you, twenty four 0:16:00.560 --> 0:16:03.200 Camp Smith. I feel I feel as though it's getting 0:16:03.240 --> 0:16:05.160 ridiculous at this point in terms of the talent in 0:16:05.200 --> 0:16:08.480 this room. Cam Smith is a natural for the position. 0:16:08.600 --> 0:16:11.400 It fluid, easy glider with length that jumps off the 0:16:11.400 --> 0:16:13.280 practice field. When you watch him, like, you can just 0:16:13.320 --> 0:16:16.080 see like that guy looks different down there. I remember 0:16:16.080 --> 0:16:19.000 seeing him defend a hitchback in Ots against Jalen Waddle 0:16:19.120 --> 0:16:21.760 and it was just textbook inside hand. Jam got depth, 0:16:21.760 --> 0:16:23.680 stay on top of the route, recognized that you know 0:16:23.720 --> 0:16:26.320 Waddle throttling down and drove on the play. Hits that 0:16:26.400 --> 0:16:28.520 back foot and makes a play on the football against 0:16:28.560 --> 0:16:30.760 one of the best receivers in the NFL. Last year, 0:16:30.840 --> 0:16:34.160 teams tried Smith thirty eight times and combined for just 0:16:34.240 --> 0:16:37.000 eighteen completions for a two hundred and eleven yards. We 0:16:37.040 --> 0:16:38.920