1 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: Welcome to you stuff you should know from house stuff 2 00:00:04,280 --> 00:00:12,640 Speaker 1: Works dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm 3 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 1: Josh Clark, There's Charles W. Chuck Bryant. You're under arrest. 4 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 1: I didn't do anything. Yeah, I saw it with my 5 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:22,160 Speaker 1: own two eyes. You're coming with me. You didn't see 6 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 1: jack ant scene? Is that anthene or anthyne? How many 7 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 1: times you get to say that? Yeah? So that was 8 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 1: my rendition of how the citizens arrests could go. We've 9 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 1: been asked to do this for a while. Yeah, we 10 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 1: finally did. Yeah, we're doing it now. Did you know 11 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 1: that on June nine a man in Australia died while 12 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 1: being citizens arrested? Uh? No, he was being detained by 13 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 1: like five or six guys and held down for eight 14 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 1: minutes and zip tied and he died. You know, I 15 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 1: feel like we talked about once when um, some people 16 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:02,279 Speaker 1: said don a guy to detain him, that we did 17 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 1: in London or something and he died. It happens, it 18 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 1: does have. I totally remember that. Yeah. It was guy's 19 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:10,679 Speaker 1: busted in on a diamond shop. One got away, one 20 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:13,279 Speaker 1: got sat on until he died. Yes, that was scary, 21 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:14,680 Speaker 1: even though people were going to get off of me. 22 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:19,680 Speaker 1: He's dying so um that that reveals one of the many, many, 23 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 1: many things that can go wrong during a citizen's arrest, 24 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:25,559 Speaker 1: which is why we wanted to say at the top 25 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 1: of this and probably well many times, you should not 26 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:32,760 Speaker 1: perform citizens arrest, even though it is conceivably your right 27 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:36,680 Speaker 1: if you're here in America to do so, um and 28 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 1: all over the world you not necessarily mean almost every 29 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 1: single country has a citizen's arrest law, even ones that 30 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 1: are not touched by the long arm of the British Empire, 31 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 1: all over the place. I got the impression that was 32 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 1: basically an English common law concept. Maybe it's been co 33 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 1: opted then because I saw like Turkey, Hong Kong, all 34 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 1: over the world. Okay, wherever you are, you probably should 35 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 1: not try to performance since the arrest. There's all sorts 36 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:08,520 Speaker 1: of other stuff you can do, especially in the day 37 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:12,520 Speaker 1: of like a smartphone call the cops, take video, take video, 38 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 1: take pictures. Um. The one the one time when a 39 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 1: lot of citizens arrest laws do say you probably should 40 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:26,359 Speaker 1: do something is when you see somebody being hurt, injured, 41 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:30,640 Speaker 1: or their their life is in danger. For the most part, though, 42 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 1: especially if no one is being hurt. You should not 43 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 1: perform as citizens arrest. That's your advice to the general public. Yes, 44 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 1: do you not agree? I don't know. It depends. I 45 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 1: think it's situational, Okay, depends on who they are, who 46 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 1: you are, and what's going down. Well, the problem is 47 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 1: a lot of people say citizens arrest, you do that 48 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 1: for like if somebody if it won't turn down their 49 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 1: their stereo at night, stuff like that easily turns into 50 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 1: like a fight. Yeah, that's not his address. That you 51 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 1: should just have a little dummy, fine book and if 52 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:06,639 Speaker 1: it makes you feel better to write somebody a citation, 53 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 1: do it. And as a result, a lot of states, 54 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 1: I think recognize the fact that if you just say yeah, 55 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 1: you can do citizens the rest for anything, it will 56 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 1: start out as somebody was trying to arrestue for playing 57 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:22,959 Speaker 1: your stereo too loud, too late, and then turn into 58 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:24,799 Speaker 1: a fight and then somebody dies that kind of thing. 59 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 1: So a lot of case, a lot of states say 60 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 1: you it has to be a felony. And there's all 61 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 1: sorts of other stipulations in details, But the whole thing, 62 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 1: like I said, Chuck, is rooted at least in the 63 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 1: United States and English common law, specifically the posse komitatas. Yeah, 64 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 1: dating back to medieval England. That was a time when, uh, 65 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 1: they needed that and the sheriff of the land counted 66 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 1: on citizens because they didn't have a police force of 67 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 1: hundreds of dudes, uh, and they needed citizens to help 68 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 1: them out. Basically, yeah, and possecomitatis is Latin for force 69 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 1: of the county or force of the community. And it 70 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 1: basically in English common law was the ability of the 71 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 1: sheriff to say, you, fifteen year old boy, and up, 72 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 1: you're able bodied. I need help arresting this guy. You 73 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 1: were obligated to help me to sit on him, to 74 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 1: sit on him, but get off and when I tell 75 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 1: you to. Yeah. And in the United States it was 76 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:26,919 Speaker 1: I think, in which is not that long ago. I 77 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 1: mean just the turn of the nineteen hundreds, Philadelphia, big city, 78 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 1: only had fifteen detectives, so they counted on people to 79 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:40,360 Speaker 1: help out. Um In the infamous mass murderer H. H. 80 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:44,280 Speaker 1: Holmes was tracked and caught by a private citizen. Oh 81 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 1: was that right? Yeah, he was a private detective. But 82 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 1: it's not a cop, okay, because I was trying to 83 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:53,600 Speaker 1: find like famous, have there ever been any like noteworthy 84 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:56,600 Speaker 1: citizens arrest. That's pretty noteworthy. That was the only one 85 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 1: I could find, h Holmes. But it's because first serial 86 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:02,040 Speaker 1: killer was brought down by citizens arrest. It was tough 87 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 1: to Uh, it's it's tough to get good information on 88 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 1: this though, because, as you'll see, the every state has 89 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:12,559 Speaker 1: their own law, and within states, each municipality has different 90 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 1: versions of the law, right, so it's all over the place. 91 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 1: The rule of film that I ran across in researching 92 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:20,919 Speaker 1: this is if the site or the text from a 93 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:25,839 Speaker 1: site seemed huffy and indignant and just fed up, then 94 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 1: you should really take that stuff with a grain AsSalt. Yeah. 95 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:30,719 Speaker 1: And I also found a lot of cases to these 96 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 1: days where it's become kind of a tool for activism, 97 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 1: where somebody like an environmentalist will try to arrest the 98 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 1: mayor in front of everyone at a town meeting. There's 99 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 1: a site called arrest Blair dot org, I believe, and 100 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 1: the it's a site dedicated to placing Tony Blair, the 101 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:51,920 Speaker 1: Prime Minister, under arrest for war crimes, and like five 102 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 1: or six people have done it so far, and it's 103 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 1: all just totally symbolic. Yeah, exactly. But and there's a 104 00:05:57,120 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 1: lot of like steps that they suggest you follow and like, 105 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:03,920 Speaker 1: don't make it seem like you're trying to carry out 106 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 1: any violent act or anything like that. It's all symbolic. Yeah, 107 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:09,600 Speaker 1: but if you could get Tony Blair to come with 108 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:13,919 Speaker 1: you to to I don't know, um jail. Sure, they're like, 109 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 1: go for it, but he's not going to know. I've 110 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:19,720 Speaker 1: also seen people try to arrest like oil company executives 111 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 1: and stuff like that. Again just a statement. Uh, so 112 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:26,719 Speaker 1: let's talk about let's break it down into a federal 113 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 1: law and state law. Um, federal law and you this 114 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:32,920 Speaker 1: is a blog post of yours, right, and this where 115 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:36,040 Speaker 1: this came from. How about that? How about it? It's 116 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 1: our first one based on a blog post which is 117 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:41,920 Speaker 1: sort of just a version of an article no we did. 118 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 1: Um oh yeah, that's right. Good point. So if you're 119 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 1: talking federal law, um, it has to be interpreted as such. 120 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:55,920 Speaker 1: It's not. It doesn't clearly say in federal law like 121 00:06:55,960 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 1: you can do this. No, there's some real fancy footwork 122 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 1: in interpreting this. And there's a group called um oh 123 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:08,600 Speaker 1: what are they called time fighters? Yeah? I looked when 124 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 1: I wrote this blog post originally, Um, there's no website 125 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 1: for crime fighters. They have a newsletter should say a lot, 126 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 1: but there's this long document and you can find it 127 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 1: on the post for this episode on our website that 128 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 1: has like I mean, just every detail you could possibly 129 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 1: think of. Some of it good advice, some of it 130 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 1: contradictory advice, some advice not good, like for example, um, 131 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 1: there's uh sentences like when in doubt, check first, Like 132 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 1: if if you're not sure if a crime that you're 133 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 1: arresting somebody for is a misdemeanor or felony, check first. 134 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 1: So apparently when in doubt you should have already checked 135 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 1: beforehand is their guy or zip ties make handy handcuffs. 136 00:07:56,920 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 1: You should not be using handcuffs. Cops even use zip 137 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 1: ties cops do. Here's a there's a this is a 138 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 1: theme we're gonna keep running into chuck cops who are 139 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 1: sworn law enforcement officers. That's their career. And there's plenty 140 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 1: of cops that are like bad apples that I'm not 141 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 1: talking about that at this point. What I'm saying is 142 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 1: is if you're a citizens arrest person and you're carrying 143 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 1: around zip ties to use his handcuffs, you are going 144 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 1: to get in trouble because the same the same protections 145 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:32,199 Speaker 1: that are afforded to cops who use zip ties are 146 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:35,200 Speaker 1: not afforded to you necessarily. No, it's a different deal. 147 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:37,840 Speaker 1: So if you look at a Title eight teen, Section 148 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 1: two two three six UM, when talking federal law, we 149 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 1: should probably just read this because the wording is important. Whoever, 150 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 1: being an officer, agent, or employee of the the United States 151 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:53,319 Speaker 1: or any department of agency thereof, engaged in the enforcement 152 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 1: of any law of the United States, searches any private 153 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 1: dwelling used and occupied as such dwelling without a warrant 154 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:04,320 Speaker 1: directing such search, or maliciously and without reasonable cause searches 155 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:07,320 Speaker 1: any other building or property without a search warrant. Shall 156 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 1: be fined under this Title for a first offense, and 157 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 1: for a subsequent offense, shall be fined under this title, 158 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 1: and in prison not more than one year or both. Right. So, basically, 159 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:18,960 Speaker 1: what's that that's saying is the the federal government is 160 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 1: aware that there's bad apples who are sworn officers of 161 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:26,680 Speaker 1: the law UM, and they anybody who conducts a search 162 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:31,440 Speaker 1: without a warrant or without probable cause is in trouble. Yes, 163 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:34,560 Speaker 1: here's the thing. They're like there's a couple of exceptions, 164 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:38,080 Speaker 1: and we want to make plain right. And they say 165 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 1: that this section shall not apply to any person, which 166 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 1: as huge as we'll see in a second, A serving 167 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 1: a warrant of arrest be arresting or attempting to arrest 168 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:52,679 Speaker 1: a person committing or attempting to commit an offense in 169 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:56,080 Speaker 1: his presence, or who is committed or is suspected on 170 00:09:56,200 --> 00:10:00,560 Speaker 1: reasonable grounds of having committed a felony, or making a 171 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:03,200 Speaker 1: search at the request or invitation or with the consent 172 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 1: of the occupant of the premises. So they're saying, if 173 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 1: you're a law enforcement officer, you don't have to have 174 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 1: a warrant if one of those three A, B or 175 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 1: C is fulfilled. But the thing that crime stoppers UM, 176 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:21,680 Speaker 1: crime fighters, The thing that crime fighters UH says is well, wait, 177 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 1: they switch language. The first part has to do with 178 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:27,960 Speaker 1: the law enforcement officer. In the second part they use 179 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 1: the word person. Yeah, any person and any person as 180 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:36,199 Speaker 1: a citizen. Right, that's right. So technically, UM, under federal law, 181 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 1: if you interpret it this way, you have the right 182 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:44,240 Speaker 1: to UM take to commit I guess, commit to carry 183 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:46,439 Speaker 1: out a citizens or ask if you if there is 184 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 1: a felony, right, so yeah, or if you could get 185 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 1: your hand on a warrant, which you can't unless you're 186 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:53,840 Speaker 1: like a bounty hunter or a private detective, which, by 187 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:58,319 Speaker 1: the way, bounty hunters, UM February Okay, if you want 188 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 1: to go listen to that one. Yep, it's a good one. Yeah, 189 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 1: we did that one in bail. Right, Bail and bounty 190 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 1: hunters is like a duel, that's right. Uh. And then 191 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 1: since most people, most citizens can't get their hands on 192 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 1: a warrant, that part b kicks in where if you 193 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 1: see somebody committing a felony, um, you're you can arrest them, 194 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:22,199 Speaker 1: that's right. So that's what crime fighters and a lot 195 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 1: of other people say. This is federal justification for citizens arrest. 196 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 1: That's right. But the states, the states love citizens arrest, yes, 197 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 1: and we'll talk about those states laws right after this. So, Josh, 198 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:57,080 Speaker 1: you mentioned that states love citizens arrest, love them. Not 199 00:11:57,200 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 1: exactly the case, but they definitely opened ings up quite 200 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:03,679 Speaker 1: a bit. Uh. Depending on what state and what municipality 201 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 1: you live in. UM, you may be able to perform 202 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 1: citizens arrests on misdemeanors that you actually witness, felonies you 203 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:18,720 Speaker 1: don't even witness, um, anything that could cause a breach 204 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:22,439 Speaker 1: of peace, whether you witness it or not. And this 205 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:26,440 Speaker 1: all depends on the state and or in the case 206 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 1: of Kentucky, you are called upon to do so. So 207 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 1: there's they say you must do so. Right, there's a 208 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:36,959 Speaker 1: case in the thirties that has been interpreted in Kentucky 209 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 1: to mean that you if you see a crime in action, 210 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 1: like you have to do something. Yeah, the quote is 211 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 1: you must take affirmative steps, is what it says in 212 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 1: the law. I don't think you know, obviously they're not 213 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:51,720 Speaker 1: going to charge someone with not doing something, although you 214 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:55,679 Speaker 1: never know, but they do charge you in Kentucky with like, hey, 215 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:59,320 Speaker 1: this is your obligation and going to do something. I mean, 216 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 1: you've seen the last episode of Seinfeld. It's basically the 217 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:04,960 Speaker 1: same thing. They saw a man being harassed on the 218 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 1: street and laughed instead of helping him, and so they 219 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 1: were prosecuted under the Good Samaritan law. That's right. So 220 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:13,680 Speaker 1: instead of see something, say something, it's see something, sit 221 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:17,319 Speaker 1: on them. It's exactly right, that's the law. So, um, 222 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 1: that's Kentucky. There are other states that say you have 223 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 1: to see a felony in progress to make a citizen's arrest, right, um. 224 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 1: And then other states are saying you better know what 225 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 1: you're talking about. A few arrest isism because if a 226 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 1: conviction doesn't happen, that guy can turn around and sue you. 227 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 1: You can be charged with all sorts of things. Um, 228 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 1: so you better you better get that conviction, Like, you 229 00:13:44,559 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 1: better know what you're talking about. It better be a 230 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 1: cut and dried case if you're gonna make a citizen's arrest. Yeah. 231 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 1: And then there are all manner of um rules and 232 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:57,720 Speaker 1: regulations depending on your state, like um. For instance, in Utah, 233 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:01,319 Speaker 1: they will let you arrest somebody for a misdemeanor or felony, 234 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 1: but you're not allowed to use deadly force. Other states 235 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:08,959 Speaker 1: say you can use what they call reasonable force, but 236 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 1: they you know, that's highly subjective and I guess would 237 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 1: be determined in a court. Uh. Some states say you 238 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:18,720 Speaker 1: should not are not allowed to question or search your 239 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 1: The only thing you can do is detain them. And 240 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 1: this is in different countries too. They have similar laws 241 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 1: I looked at, like Canada and England and Finland and Norway. 242 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 1: I mean, it's all over the place and they're all 243 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 1: kind of similar. Um. Although in some states they will 244 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 1: let you see as a weapon or evidence if it 245 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 1: is in plain view, or if you're under an immediate threat, 246 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 1: like you can take a gun from a guy um 247 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 1: or sees if you know the key low cocaine spills 248 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:46,880 Speaker 1: out onto the street, you can like brush that aside 249 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 1: and say, dear, would you put that in the car 250 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:55,200 Speaker 1: until the cops get here. That'd be funny if you 251 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 1: don't realize that you're in a state where you're not 252 00:14:57,120 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 1: allowed to take a gun. So you take a guy's 253 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 1: gun and he's like, he's citizens arrest you back for 254 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 1: taking his gun, and he just keeps going back and 255 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 1: forth like that exactly. Uh. And then there's something also 256 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 1: called some states allow merchant searchers searches, Oh, like a 257 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 1: security guard at a department store or something. Yeah, or 258 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 1: even just a shop owner, like I saw you put 259 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 1: that thing in your pocket, Um, then go digging through 260 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 1: the pockets. Um. So yeah, if you're a shopkeeper, you 261 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 1: have certain rights as well. So if you are um 262 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 1: one of those people who likes to do citizens arrestaurants 263 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 1: interested by that kind of thing, um, which means he 264 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 1: couldn't make it as a cop crime crime fighters, um, 265 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 1: do you remember that one King of the Hill where uh, 266 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 1: the security guard like I think he drops Bobby off 267 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 1: or something like that, and um, the security guard tells 268 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 1: Hanky issues of them a warning that he's parked more 269 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:53,480 Speaker 1: than three feet away from the curb, and Hank goes, 270 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 1: you're not a cop, and the guy goes, that's why 271 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 1: it's only a warning. Pretty great stuff. I heard a 272 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 1: interview a great interview with Mike Judge recently. Um, he's awesome, 273 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 1: he is and super super smart Idiocracy like he was 274 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 1: a physicist and engineer before before he got into the 275 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 1: animation game before he did be this and butt head wow, 276 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 1: which is really kind of funny. Nice. Yeah, I didn't 277 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 1: know that. Yeah, he's not a big fan of Idiocracy himself. Actually, man, 278 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 1: what is wrong with him? He basically was like, you know, 279 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 1: he's his I think general take was it was okay, 280 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 1: but it was sort of a which was kind of 281 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 1: my problem with like a one joke thing that ultimately 282 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 1: didn't play out over and over again. I loved it 283 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:42,600 Speaker 1: all right, Um, he'll appreciate here in that I think 284 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:47,680 Speaker 1: loved it. Mike Judge, So, uh, if you are going 285 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:49,960 Speaker 1: to do this kind of stuff, you better know your 286 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 1: state laws in and out. Yeah. First of all, you 287 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 1: better know whether it has to be a felony for 288 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 1: you to to carry out a citizen's arrest, in which 289 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 1: case you better know the different between a misdemeter and 290 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 1: a felony, and different classes of felonies, so you know 291 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:07,480 Speaker 1: when to intervene and when not to. You also need 292 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:10,119 Speaker 1: to know whether you can use handcuffs or try to 293 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 1: restrain somebody right, what force you can use right at? 294 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:18,080 Speaker 1: What escalation of force means, which typically um is, if 295 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 1: the guy is coming at you with a baseball bat, 296 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 1: you could conceivably come at him back with your own 297 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:29,160 Speaker 1: blunt object. But if the guy's got a he brought 298 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:32,520 Speaker 1: a baseball bat to a make fight, right yeah, which 299 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:35,160 Speaker 1: I mean, that's they're both blunt objects, right. I would 300 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:37,640 Speaker 1: take a spiked ball over a baseball bat. But if 301 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:40,360 Speaker 1: that guy comes at you with like just as fists 302 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 1: and you knife them a bunch of times, you've escalated 303 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 1: the violence and you're probably going to be in trouble 304 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 1: across the board though, no matter what state you're in, 305 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:53,440 Speaker 1: if it allows for citizens arrest, which I didn't see 306 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:56,680 Speaker 1: a state that didn't have some sort of provision are there. 307 00:17:56,920 --> 00:17:59,360 Speaker 1: Did you run across any I think pretty much everywhere 308 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 1: you can eat. I mean, if you can arrest someone 309 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:05,639 Speaker 1: in Massachusetts, right, then you can arrest someone anywhere. Um, 310 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 1: you do not have to read a suspect his or 311 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 1: her rights. Yeah, that makes sense though that I think 312 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:13,120 Speaker 1: about it, because you're not an officer of the law, right, 313 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 1: and the Miranda Rights specifically give the right to remain 314 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 1: silent around officers of the law. Yeah, but if that 315 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 1: person sings like a canary, I think you can go 316 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 1: and testify later if you if you want. You are 317 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:30,399 Speaker 1: a witness. You're not an officer of the law, and 318 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:33,680 Speaker 1: therefore that person has no right to remain silent. I mean, 319 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:37,159 Speaker 1: they cannot talk to you. But the stuff that they 320 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:41,240 Speaker 1: that right against self incrimination, that that the Miranda Rights 321 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 1: give them does not apply to somebody telling a citizen 322 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 1: that kind of thing if the citizen wants to be 323 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:51,879 Speaker 1: a state witness, which you probably do if you're you know, 324 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:56,000 Speaker 1: you're probably like double waghmy citizens arrest and state witness 325 00:18:56,520 --> 00:18:59,120 Speaker 1: and now I have to go into witness identity protection 326 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:01,119 Speaker 1: for the rest of my life. We we did an 327 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:03,359 Speaker 1: episode on that too. Yeah, this is all part of 328 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:06,360 Speaker 1: our crime and Punishment series, I guess. Um. The other 329 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 1: thing that I saw almost across the board, I think 330 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:12,840 Speaker 1: is that if you commit, or if you keep saying commit, 331 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:17,359 Speaker 1: it sounds like a crime. If you take part in 332 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 1: the citizen's arrest, you have to make your intention known 333 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:25,200 Speaker 1: and tell them what you're doing, all right. You can't 334 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 1: just jump on someone and smash their face in the ground. 335 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 1: You have to like advertise I am making a citizen's arrest. Now, 336 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 1: according to crime fighters, there are some exceptions to that rule. 337 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:40,600 Speaker 1: If the person if this is the commission of the crime, 338 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 1: like if that guy is like sitting there and has 339 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:47,479 Speaker 1: the shop owner and it's like robbing somebody, you can 340 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:50,400 Speaker 1: jump on them then without saying that. If they're fleeing 341 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:53,960 Speaker 1: the commission of the crime, supposedly you can jump on 342 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:58,159 Speaker 1: them without saying you're under arrest. And then apparently before 343 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 1: um arrest was considered part and parcel to detainment. So 344 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 1: again according to crime fighters, which again I suspect is 345 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:13,400 Speaker 1: dubious in a lot of cases, Um that before you 346 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 1: had to at least lightly touched the person while telling 347 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:21,720 Speaker 1: them that they you were performing a citizen's arrest and 348 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 1: then apparently it was later uninterpreted to not be the case. 349 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:28,680 Speaker 1: You could just inform somebody, so Josh, we mentioned, um, 350 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:31,120 Speaker 1: the one thing you have to do in almost all cases, 351 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 1: unless it's unless you're literally breaking up, you know, a crime, 352 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 1: that you have to tell them what you're doing. The 353 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 1: other thing across the board is as quickly as possible 354 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:44,480 Speaker 1: you have to try and get the real police there. 355 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 1: Very important, Chuck. You know, you can't just uh go 356 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 1: like your eyes examined, or hold someone for questioning, Like, 357 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:55,480 Speaker 1: don't start playing cop because you're not one. You you 358 00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 1: need to immediately get a cop on the scene as 359 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:00,880 Speaker 1: fast as possible and they wreck come in Like, don't 360 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:03,240 Speaker 1: do that by putting them in your car and driving 361 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:05,159 Speaker 1: them down to the station. No, there's a couple of 362 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:07,440 Speaker 1: reasons for that. One is that your car is your 363 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:11,199 Speaker 1: own property, and you could conceivably be considered um to 364 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:14,720 Speaker 1: be imprisoning those people in your car, like you're kidnapping, 365 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:19,240 Speaker 1: whereas with like a taxi, that's a public vehicle and 366 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:22,680 Speaker 1: that kind of I would guess you could argue that 367 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:24,960 Speaker 1: that was a public vehicle that these people got into 368 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:27,520 Speaker 1: you with. And then secondly, the other reason why you 369 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 1: want to use the taxis because if you're driving your 370 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:33,080 Speaker 1: own car, it's just the two of you and you're driving, 371 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 1: whereas with the taxi you're being given around by somebody. 372 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:39,600 Speaker 1: But I wouldn't recommend a taxi either in today's cell 373 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:42,680 Speaker 1: phone land, just get a cop there or just call 374 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:48,520 Speaker 1: uber which is funny. There's a guy who uh in Sydney, Australia, 375 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 1: I think where we're huge um. He has been calling 376 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 1: uber cars, hiring uber cars and then citizens arresting the 377 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:02,359 Speaker 1: drivers because they're breaking the law by not being licensed 378 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:04,960 Speaker 1: taxi drivers. When you don like he's a lot of 379 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:07,640 Speaker 1: fun at heart. When you google citizens arrest and click 380 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 1: on news, that was the first thing that comes up, 381 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 1: it's like some Australian uber vigilanti. Wow. Alright, so your 382 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:19,920 Speaker 1: contention bad idea always here and there's just because there's 383 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:24,160 Speaker 1: too many X factors. I mean, when when pro cops 384 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:28,480 Speaker 1: are on the scene bystanders get shot. You know we're 385 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:32,920 Speaker 1: talking about people who are, for all intents and purposes, 386 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:37,439 Speaker 1: active vigilantes. I would guess that that would tace the 387 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 1: not necessarily. I mean an active vigilanti as someone who 388 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 1: prowlsed the streets praying, playing crime fighter. I would guess 389 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 1: that most of the citizens arrests carried out in this 390 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:51,200 Speaker 1: country are by people like that. You think people who 391 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 1: are the head of neighborhood patrols, people who are um, yes, 392 00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:58,880 Speaker 1: prowling the streets. Well, there are a lot of George 393 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 1: Zimmerman's out there for exactly. But I would be curious 394 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:05,639 Speaker 1: about statistics on people who are witnessing a crime and 395 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:10,000 Speaker 1: jump in and help. Okay, So um to me, it's 396 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 1: it's just is uh, it's there's just too many X factors, um, 397 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 1: And there's a lot of things that can go wrong. Right. 398 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 1: So for example, UM, when you walk up to somebody 399 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:24,680 Speaker 1: and say I am performing as citzens of arrest, touch 400 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 1: them lightly, right, or you don't have to do that anymore, um, 401 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:33,720 Speaker 1: because you I am charging you with snatching that purse. 402 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:38,119 Speaker 1: I just saw you do it. That person is probably 403 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:40,679 Speaker 1: going to be like, you're not a cop. Yeah, I 404 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:42,800 Speaker 1: doubt if they would say, well you got me, you 405 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 1: got me. Here's where you got zip ties on you, 406 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:48,840 Speaker 1: because I've got some. If you don't write exactly, go ahead, Um, 407 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 1: that is probably not gonna happen right now. If that 408 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 1: doesn't happen, and you say, I want to warn you, 409 00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,919 Speaker 1: you're not coming with me can lead to charges of 410 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:03,480 Speaker 1: resisting arrest, even though it's citizens arrested, which is true 411 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 1: in a lot of cases. Um, that person say well, 412 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:09,720 Speaker 1: why don't you grab me and see what happens? And 413 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 1: when you do that, because you're a literalist, you grab 414 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:16,640 Speaker 1: them to see what happens, and they stab you, which happens. 415 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:21,160 Speaker 1: It actually happened to four Guardian Angels. You know those guys, right, 416 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:25,879 Speaker 1: they're the professional citizens arrestors exactly. They really are. For 417 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:28,159 Speaker 1: as as close as you can come to being a 418 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 1: pro that is the Guardian Angels. Yea. And if it 419 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:33,520 Speaker 1: can go south on them, it can go south on you. Yeah. 420 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:36,160 Speaker 1: I read this really interesting article about them. They were 421 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,480 Speaker 1: formed in nineteen seventy nine in New York. Right, Yeah, 422 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 1: we should do with a show on them. That'd be great, Okay, 423 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:44,400 Speaker 1: But in the meantime everybody should go read the Twilight 424 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:48,159 Speaker 1: of the Guardian Angels and I think narratively on that site, 425 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:51,159 Speaker 1: but it was really interesting. Started out as a McDonald's 426 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,560 Speaker 1: manager who was sick of crime and his neighborhood and 427 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:56,760 Speaker 1: recruited some of his other employees, and remember that guy, 428 00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 1: Like I can still picture the main dude in my head. 429 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,879 Speaker 1: He's still around. Yeah, because it was when we were kids. 430 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:05,120 Speaker 1: It was a big deal, Guardian Angels. You heard about 431 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:08,840 Speaker 1: it a lot there on talk show circuits. Uh, it 432 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,159 Speaker 1: was a necessary thing in New York City. Yeah, they 433 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:13,560 Speaker 1: were on Sally, they were on Donahue. Yea, yeah, they're 434 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:15,640 Speaker 1: on all of them. Um, but as recently as two 435 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,199 Speaker 1: thousand twelve in Chicago, four of them got stabbed when 436 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:21,800 Speaker 1: they were trying to arrest a Personnatcher. Another guy came 437 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:24,159 Speaker 1: up and just started stabbing him. One of the Guardian 438 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 1: Angels got stabbed in the head, another one in the ribs, 439 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:30,960 Speaker 1: and both suspects got away. So if the Guardian Angels 440 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 1: as a group are getting stabbed, what do you think 441 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:38,000 Speaker 1: is gonna happen to you? Yeah, when you walk up 442 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:41,200 Speaker 1: and say I'm placing you under arrest, come with me. Yeah, 443 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:44,399 Speaker 1: that's a good point. Okay, So there's point one is 444 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 1: a bad idea. Uh well point two was kind of 445 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:49,920 Speaker 1: included in there. This person you have no idea what 446 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:53,120 Speaker 1: kind of weapon they might have. You know, you might 447 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:55,800 Speaker 1: see the weapon and if it's like someone holding up 448 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 1: a store or something like fast Times at Ridgemont High, 449 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 1: which case you uh, distract them, throw coffee on them. 450 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:05,920 Speaker 1: Oh gnarly yeah, and then you get away, you know, 451 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,680 Speaker 1: scott free. I think you hire Van Halen to play 452 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 1: your birthday party? Was it? Van um? But all getting 453 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:18,960 Speaker 1: aside very dangerous. Even if you don't see a weapon 454 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,479 Speaker 1: doesn't mean that you're scott free. And if you're one 455 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:23,800 Speaker 1: of those people who's like, I'm Dabney Coleman, I have 456 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:26,840 Speaker 1: like twenty four hours to live, so I don't care 457 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:31,879 Speaker 1: if I die, Well, what about bystanders, innocent bystanders on you? 458 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:34,800 Speaker 1: What if it's not a knight, But if it's a gun, sure, um. 459 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:39,400 Speaker 1: So there's a lot of a lot of moving parts 460 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 1: that you have to take into account. And even crime 461 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 1: fighter says, if if you are thinking of performing a 462 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:49,439 Speaker 1: citizen's arrest and there's a lot of people around, don't 463 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:53,239 Speaker 1: because you have no idea how south it can go. 464 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:55,199 Speaker 1: You don't know if the person has a gun, and 465 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 1: if so, if they're willing to shoot at you or 466 00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:01,200 Speaker 1: anybody else who gets in their way, it's yeah, I mean, 467 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:06,520 Speaker 1: and again, unless you're seeing somebody in trouble, like in 468 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 1: real physical danger. Even crime fighters is like, you know, 469 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,439 Speaker 1: maybe drop back and write their license plate number down 470 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:17,080 Speaker 1: or just call the cops. This is even crime fighters 471 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:19,880 Speaker 1: saying this, I know. And they're like those real life 472 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,959 Speaker 1: superheroes that the streets at night with capes and masks. 473 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,960 Speaker 1: They're coming up in a minute. So um. Another great 474 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,359 Speaker 1: reason to not do so is a little something we 475 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,720 Speaker 1: touched on earlier, which is you open yourself up to 476 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 1: all manner of lawsuits if you are mistaken, if things 477 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 1: don't go well, if you end up injuring this person 478 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:44,800 Speaker 1: and they are innocent, falls, imprisonment charges, kidnapping, like you 479 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:46,719 Speaker 1: name it. Man, you can be in big, big trouble, 480 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 1: pat down somebody the wrong way, sexual assault, um, even 481 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:56,000 Speaker 1: salt and battery. Um yeah, if you like, even verbal 482 00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 1: threats can lead to charges of assault and battery. That's right, 483 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,919 Speaker 1: civil suits. You could be not only arrested, but you 484 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 1: could have the pants suit off of you exactly so 485 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,360 Speaker 1: that that would be reason enough for me, aside from 486 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:12,720 Speaker 1: the fact that I'm a pennywise pacifist. And then lastly, Chuck, yes, 487 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:17,399 Speaker 1: the the the whole thing opens you up to a 488 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 1: possibility that is way more possible than the average time 489 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,040 Speaker 1: when you're just walking around the street mining your own business, 490 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:29,440 Speaker 1: of actually killing somebody. Yeah, George Zimmerman. Yes, and it's 491 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 1: not just George Zimmerman. It happens like it happens with 492 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:37,280 Speaker 1: with citizens arrests. Where um, there's a guy in San 493 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:42,040 Speaker 1: Jose and two thirteen, Ricardo Hernandez. He was um trying 494 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:46,280 Speaker 1: to citizens arrest a burglar named or suspected burglar named 495 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,200 Speaker 1: Christopher Soriano. They got into a fight over a gun 496 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 1: um that Hernandez had on him, and Soriano died. So 497 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,720 Speaker 1: now Hernandez is going to prison for four years and 498 00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:01,280 Speaker 1: has a head on him, has a one on him. Ahead, 499 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,600 Speaker 1: he killed somebody. Oh, I've never heard that term. So 500 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:08,160 Speaker 1: that's a great point. Might end up killing someone. Do 501 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:10,680 Speaker 1: you really want to do that right? Exactly? You gotta 502 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:13,360 Speaker 1: think these things through. Yeah, there are very few people 503 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:16,600 Speaker 1: that I would in trust to perform a citizen's arrest 504 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 1: in a in the right way. How about Phoenix Jones 505 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 1: and his sidekicking wife Purple Rain Seattle real life superheroes. 506 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:27,719 Speaker 1: Oh well, that's always a bad idea. They dress up 507 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:31,320 Speaker 1: and patrol the streets. He has his own YouTube channel. Yeah, 508 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:34,600 Speaker 1: there's Dark Guardian in New York City who hangs around 509 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:38,240 Speaker 1: Washington Square Park at night where we did a live podcast. Yeah, 510 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 1: there's a great documentary on the real life superheroes Razor 511 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:46,120 Speaker 1: Hawk in Minneapolis. Yeah, they're all over and they um, 512 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,280 Speaker 1: they can be a problem. Sometimes it's just for fun. 513 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,400 Speaker 1: But it's not like the movie kick Ass. It doesn't 514 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 1: go down that way. Well. Yeah, and even cops are like, 515 00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:00,520 Speaker 1: do not do this, Like that's not a good idea. Yeah, 516 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:02,000 Speaker 1: we don't need your help, that is what they're saying. 517 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:08,200 Speaker 1: So crazy. Yeah, I wonder what happens when you try 518 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 1: to perform as citizens arrest on a cop um. I 519 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:15,600 Speaker 1: imagine that doesn't go well these days. I would guess 520 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:21,560 Speaker 1: that doesn't go well either. Yeah. I wouldn't advise that. No. Finally, 521 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 1: we come to his type of citizens arrest that you 522 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,280 Speaker 1: advise not to do. No, no, no, no no, I don't 523 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:28,360 Speaker 1: advise anyone to do it. Like I said, they were 524 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:30,400 Speaker 1: very like my brother in law. I would entrust him 525 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,680 Speaker 1: to do a citizen's arrest. Oh yeah, I've met him. Yeah, 526 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:39,800 Speaker 1: I can see him doing the citizens arrest following the books, 527 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,360 Speaker 1: or when it goes south like putting you like twisting 528 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:46,080 Speaker 1: your arm behind your back or you're screaming uncle. Uh. Yeah, 529 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 1: but even in his case, it can go south, you know. Yeah, 530 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:50,920 Speaker 1: I can go south in anybody. So he's got a gun, 531 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:52,640 Speaker 1: he didn't see it, and then it's like it's all 532 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:56,160 Speaker 1: over for him. That's no good. No one wants that. 533 00:30:56,160 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 1: That's right. See something, say something, not see something. Sit 534 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:04,480 Speaker 1: on them. Man. This episode is so fraught it's crazy. 535 00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:08,760 Speaker 1: I think the message is clear. Okay, if you want 536 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:10,800 Speaker 1: to know more about Citizens Arrest, you can go read 537 00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 1: the blog post on it on Stuff you Should Know 538 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,960 Speaker 1: dot com. Um. You can also just search citizens Arrest 539 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 1: and have hours of entertainment about and learn why you 540 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,640 Speaker 1: shouldn't do this kind of thing. Uh. And since I 541 00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:24,960 Speaker 1: said you shouldn't do this, it's time for listener mail. 542 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:31,480 Speaker 1: I'm gonna call this the film Vault. Our buddy Brian 543 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:37,280 Speaker 1: Bishop of The Adam Corolla Show, and I emailed him 544 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:39,480 Speaker 1: back from this and said, this is just the worst 545 00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:41,600 Speaker 1: kind of buzz marketing. Well, I'm gonna take him to 546 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:43,800 Speaker 1: task on air. Brian is um. He works on The 547 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:46,360 Speaker 1: Adam Corolla Show and he also has a podcast, The 548 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,320 Speaker 1: Zone called The Film Vault, which is great, and uh, 549 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:51,120 Speaker 1: we'll get him a little plug too. He also wrote 550 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:54,000 Speaker 1: a great book called Shrinkage, Manhood, Marriage, and the Tumor 551 00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:55,800 Speaker 1: That Tried to Kill Me about his battle with cancer. 552 00:31:56,600 --> 00:32:00,360 Speaker 1: Great book. So Brian took us to task and he said, hey, guys, 553 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:03,000 Speaker 1: I was listening to a recent episode and the subject 554 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,880 Speaker 1: of Hollywood remakes came up. You guys are correcting this 555 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:09,440 Speaker 1: because we bagged on pretty much all remakes or you did. Yes, 556 00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:11,800 Speaker 1: you guys are correct in the sense that the vast 557 00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:14,280 Speaker 1: majority are terrible. There are a few good, dare I 558 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:17,520 Speaker 1: say great ones. However, we did an entire film Vault 559 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,760 Speaker 1: episode on top five remakes, and here's my list with 560 00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:23,360 Speaker 1: some honorable mentions. And I told him we will just 561 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,240 Speaker 1: take him to task right here. So number one on 562 00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:30,160 Speaker 1: his list is when I have a problem with Vanilla Sky. Yeah, 563 00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:32,600 Speaker 1: I didn't think that was a very good movie. What 564 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,840 Speaker 1: when did they make that? Originally it was a Spanish 565 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:40,520 Speaker 1: language movie, just like the year before. Um, I can't 566 00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:43,360 Speaker 1: remember the name of it, Dreams Open Your Eyes, I 567 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:48,200 Speaker 1: think in Spanish whatever that is, so that um Cameron 568 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:49,959 Speaker 1: Crow Remakes is Vanilla s guy, And I didn't think 569 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,480 Speaker 1: it was a good That was his number one. Have 570 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:58,040 Speaker 1: you seen his uh, Cameron Crow's latest movie. No, No, 571 00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:01,040 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't want to either. I used to 572 00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:04,440 Speaker 1: love that day, like he was my hero, my filmmaking hero. 573 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:08,040 Speaker 1: I read this article. Um it was a poll of 574 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:11,280 Speaker 1: just like a straw poll of critics movie critics around 575 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:14,560 Speaker 1: the um the internet, like what director has let you 576 00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:16,720 Speaker 1: down the most? Yeah, and he was one of them 577 00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:19,240 Speaker 1: that was listed because he was so great and it's 578 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,320 Speaker 1: just gone so downhill, far and away. The guy with 579 00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:26,200 Speaker 1: the most votes was m Night Sha Milan one good movie, 580 00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:30,480 Speaker 1: which like they still love him in Philadelphia. We found 581 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:33,400 Speaker 1: out that's right alright. Number two, The Departed. I'm gonna 582 00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:35,800 Speaker 1: say yes for that for sure. That was I think 583 00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:41,520 Speaker 1: a Japanese movie called Infernal Affairs that Scorcese read a 584 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,040 Speaker 1: Little Shop of Horrors. I honestly, I've never seen it, 585 00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,760 Speaker 1: so I have no opinion. I didn't know they remade 586 00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:52,840 Speaker 1: it Casino Royale. That's technically I guess you could call 587 00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:57,040 Speaker 1: that a remake. Yeah, but not so really, But no, 588 00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,320 Speaker 1: I guess it was. I mean it was the same plot, 589 00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:02,120 Speaker 1: all right. It was the same plot. Yeah, for the 590 00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:05,560 Speaker 1: most part. Ocean's Eleven. I'll hand it to him there. 591 00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:07,680 Speaker 1: I thought Ocean's Eleven was a really good movie and 592 00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:12,400 Speaker 1: a great remake. Okay, yeah, and then his honorable mention 593 00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:15,359 Speaker 1: the Italian Job. I never saw it. You never saw 594 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:18,560 Speaker 1: the remake? Nope, I didn't either. No, I saw the remake. 595 00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,600 Speaker 1: I never saw the original. It was not great, and 596 00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:24,560 Speaker 1: he was stretching with that one. The Fly. I didn't 597 00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:26,239 Speaker 1: know the Fly. I had an original. So I'm gonna 598 00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,799 Speaker 1: go ahead and say great then, because cronenbergs the Fly, 599 00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,719 Speaker 1: it's awesome. Yeah, man, the the original fly. It has 600 00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:34,920 Speaker 1: Vincent Price in it and it ends with um they 601 00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:38,640 Speaker 1: like they switch. That's the thing, right, So like there's 602 00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:43,359 Speaker 1: a there's a human with a fly head freaky, and 603 00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,319 Speaker 1: then there's a fly with the human head and that 604 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,839 Speaker 1: fly gets trapped in the spider's web at the end, 605 00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:54,759 Speaker 1: get the most unsettling sound where it's like, wow, it's 606 00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:59,160 Speaker 1: really disconcerted. I just got like chill bumps. Very well done. 607 00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:01,600 Speaker 1: I feel like we done that before. And people wrote 608 00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:04,920 Speaker 1: in We're like, don't do the fly impression. It's really unsettling. 609 00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:09,239 Speaker 1: The brindle fly. No, the original, the original fly. Uh. 610 00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:12,840 Speaker 1: He has the Ring, of course, the original Japanese version Ringo. 611 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:14,960 Speaker 1: I believe I wasn't a big fan of the Ring. 612 00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,960 Speaker 1: It was fine. Three ten to Yuma, pretty good Western, 613 00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:22,080 Speaker 1: pretty good remake. I'll give him that. Did you ever 614 00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,919 Speaker 1: see the original for the Grudge? I think it's called 615 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:32,080 Speaker 1: like You You ju On Dude good. Probably the best 616 00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:35,080 Speaker 1: Japanese horror film of all time, which is saying something 617 00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:38,240 Speaker 1: it was so good, prove me wrong, people. I'm always 618 00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:40,239 Speaker 1: looking for a good horror movie, and if you have 619 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:43,520 Speaker 1: one that really top you on, not a different one, 620 00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,400 Speaker 1: but one that is actually better than you want, I 621 00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:48,600 Speaker 1: want to know about it, all right. And then he 622 00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:53,000 Speaker 1: finishes up the honorable mention list with Scarface, which just 623 00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:55,560 Speaker 1: put that instead of Vanilla Sky, and you've got a 624 00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:59,400 Speaker 1: pretty decent top five. His Scarface is great, Brian to 625 00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:01,320 Speaker 1: palms re of I think that had been done a 626 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:04,480 Speaker 1: couple of times, if I'm not mistaken. What was it? 627 00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:08,239 Speaker 1: Jimmy Cagney was the first one, right, I think, so, uh, 628 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:13,920 Speaker 1: Jimmy Cagney, and then Jimmy Stewart. Oh yeah, Fred McMurray. 629 00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:16,400 Speaker 1: So so, Brian goes to say this was back in 630 00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:17,880 Speaker 1: two thousand tens, so it may have been some good 631 00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,080 Speaker 1: ones since then, actually, but just so you don't lose 632 00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:22,280 Speaker 1: all hope that a remake can't be anything but awful. 633 00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:27,560 Speaker 1: That from our buddy Thanks, who just recently throughout the 634 00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:31,719 Speaker 1: first pitch a professional baseball and so did our friend 635 00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:34,440 Speaker 1: Nick Thune, And I'm like, what do you gotta do? 636 00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:37,400 Speaker 1: I want to throw out our first pitch? What what team? 637 00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,719 Speaker 1: The Giants? It wasn't the Giants did it in Seattle 638 00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,279 Speaker 1: where he's from. So he got to the field and 639 00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:45,239 Speaker 1: he like wore a full uniform and did the full 640 00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,359 Speaker 1: wind up and like, look good. Brian did it at 641 00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:51,719 Speaker 1: a Padres game even though he's a Giants fan, and um, 642 00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:54,399 Speaker 1: I think he said it went pretty well as as well. 643 00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:56,759 Speaker 1: He tells a story on the Adam Coral Show that 644 00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:00,480 Speaker 1: is awesome. Man, I want to do that. Yes, I 645 00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:03,120 Speaker 1: wonder if they'd let us do it together. Just yeah, 646 00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:05,759 Speaker 1: like the thing with two heads. Now they do that. 647 00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:09,359 Speaker 1: They ended up like the Stanley Cup winners, like five 648 00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:11,040 Speaker 1: or six of those guys, and they all did it 649 00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,200 Speaker 1: like they through at once, or they all took turnstoring, 650 00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:18,600 Speaker 1: or they they had five catchers and five hockey players 651 00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:20,560 Speaker 1: and they all threw it out at once. All right, 652 00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:22,719 Speaker 1: so there's hope for us. Yeah, just don't look like 653 00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:25,480 Speaker 1: fifty cent or Carl Lewis and you're all set. What 654 00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:27,319 Speaker 1: do you mean those are two of the worst first 655 00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:30,640 Speaker 1: pitches ever? Really happy? Well, I mean I would like 656 00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:32,920 Speaker 1: we would probably practice for a while. 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