1 00:00:06,026 --> 00:00:09,506 Speaker 1: NFL Explained is a production of the NFL in partnership 2 00:00:09,706 --> 00:00:14,106 Speaker 1: with I Heart Radio. Welcome to NFL Explained, a production 3 00:00:14,266 --> 00:00:18,066 Speaker 1: of the NFL in partnership with I Heart Radio. Up 4 00:00:18,066 --> 00:00:21,226 Speaker 1: Work is the world's work marketplace. Empower your business and 5 00:00:21,306 --> 00:00:25,626 Speaker 1: hire the world's most in demand developers, designers, project managers 6 00:00:25,626 --> 00:00:30,026 Speaker 1: and more at www dot up work dot com. America's 7 00:00:30,066 --> 00:00:33,026 Speaker 1: most reliable network is going Ultra with Verizon five G 8 00:00:33,266 --> 00:00:35,746 Speaker 1: Ultra wide band and more and more places with up 9 00:00:35,746 --> 00:00:38,466 Speaker 1: to ten times faster speeds. You can download a movie 10 00:00:38,506 --> 00:00:42,146 Speaker 1: in mere minutes. 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They know all about Pittsburgh 19 00:01:11,666 --> 00:01:14,426 Speaker 1: Steel Curtain, the defense of the seventies, the Bears forty 20 00:01:14,506 --> 00:01:17,066 Speaker 1: six defense that shuffled their way to the Super Bowl 21 00:01:17,106 --> 00:01:20,866 Speaker 1: in the eighties and perhaps the most dominant defense ever 22 00:01:20,946 --> 00:01:24,586 Speaker 1: the two thousand Ravens, who allowed just ten point three 23 00:01:24,626 --> 00:01:26,626 Speaker 1: points per game. You gotta be kidding me. But in 24 00:01:26,666 --> 00:01:30,066 Speaker 1: the twenty years since that Baltimore team hosted the Lombardi 25 00:01:30,146 --> 00:01:33,266 Speaker 1: Trophy scoring the NFL. Yeah, here it is. It's of 26 00:01:34,146 --> 00:01:38,026 Speaker 1: and it begs the question, in the era of dynamic offenses, 27 00:01:38,106 --> 00:01:41,466 Speaker 1: does defense actually win championships? What's going on? Everyone? I'm like, 28 00:01:41,586 --> 00:01:46,706 Speaker 1: dam joined us always by the defense apologist, Dude Kinkawala 29 00:01:46,786 --> 00:01:49,666 Speaker 1: ready to rock and roll today. I'm just throwing it 30 00:01:49,666 --> 00:01:52,266 Speaker 1: out there. It's not being an apologist if it's factual 31 00:01:52,346 --> 00:01:54,666 Speaker 1: and true, right Mike. We'll find out by the end 32 00:01:54,666 --> 00:01:56,946 Speaker 1: of this episode if it's factual and true. Today on 33 00:01:57,026 --> 00:02:01,306 Speaker 1: the NFL Explained, does defense win Championships? We will examine 34 00:02:01,346 --> 00:02:03,786 Speaker 1: Super Bowl winners past and present to determine if you 35 00:02:03,946 --> 00:02:07,386 Speaker 1: in fact need a top rated defense to hoist the 36 00:02:07,466 --> 00:02:11,706 Speaker 1: Lombardi Trophy or this is where I'm going to quick bowl. 37 00:02:11,786 --> 00:02:14,786 Speaker 1: I'm taking a little random aside right here, Mike. I 38 00:02:14,826 --> 00:02:17,346 Speaker 1: don't think you need a top rated defense. I just 39 00:02:17,546 --> 00:02:21,626 Speaker 1: think you need an outstanding defensive effort. And we will 40 00:02:21,666 --> 00:02:24,426 Speaker 1: come to that when we come to the team that 41 00:02:24,506 --> 00:02:26,546 Speaker 1: you and I grew up rooting for and the last 42 00:02:26,546 --> 00:02:29,666 Speaker 1: time they want a Super Bowl tease. Tease tease, Okay, 43 00:02:29,826 --> 00:02:33,546 Speaker 1: Have offenses become the key to unlocking the championship code 44 00:02:33,546 --> 00:02:35,866 Speaker 1: in recent years? There are definitely a few ways to 45 00:02:35,866 --> 00:02:38,066 Speaker 1: look at what makes the top ranked defense. So we'll 46 00:02:38,106 --> 00:02:40,746 Speaker 1: look at it from a few different angles, and we 47 00:02:40,826 --> 00:02:43,106 Speaker 1: will hopefully have an answer for you by the end. 48 00:02:43,266 --> 00:02:45,746 Speaker 1: Although I already do have my answer, Mike, although it 49 00:02:45,786 --> 00:02:48,146 Speaker 1: sounds like you're hedging just a little bit without your 50 00:02:48,226 --> 00:02:50,546 Speaker 1: little aside, I feel like, you know what, This is 51 00:02:50,546 --> 00:02:52,146 Speaker 1: one of those things, Mike, that we want to keep 52 00:02:52,186 --> 00:02:55,826 Speaker 1: people involved, and so even though I feel so strongly 53 00:02:55,866 --> 00:03:00,426 Speaker 1: about how I feel, it's probably important to keep an 54 00:03:00,426 --> 00:03:04,026 Speaker 1: open mind and see if we can allow our listeners 55 00:03:04,066 --> 00:03:06,426 Speaker 1: to come away with a different p o V. Of course, 56 00:03:06,466 --> 00:03:09,026 Speaker 1: if they disagree with me, it's not necessarily the correct 57 00:03:09,226 --> 00:03:14,146 Speaker 1: p o V. Here we go in DDT the next 58 00:03:14,186 --> 00:03:16,506 Speaker 1: episode of NFL explained. So we're going to look at 59 00:03:16,506 --> 00:03:19,146 Speaker 1: scoring defense first, Mike. It's the defense that's allowed the 60 00:03:19,146 --> 00:03:21,306 Speaker 1: fewest amount of points per game. Then we'll look at 61 00:03:21,346 --> 00:03:25,066 Speaker 1: a combination of defense season statistics of points per game 62 00:03:25,426 --> 00:03:28,466 Speaker 1: and the total yards given up per game. And then 63 00:03:28,586 --> 00:03:30,826 Speaker 1: finally we've got what we talked about in one of 64 00:03:30,826 --> 00:03:34,506 Speaker 1: our most recent episodes, analytics. It's a new wave or 65 00:03:34,586 --> 00:03:39,266 Speaker 1: a more complete way to perhaps rank offenses and defenses. 66 00:03:39,706 --> 00:03:42,466 Speaker 1: So Mike, just really quick heads up here for you 67 00:03:42,546 --> 00:03:46,346 Speaker 1: and for all our listeners. Probably a lot of numbers today, 68 00:03:46,706 --> 00:03:51,506 Speaker 1: So don't operate any heavy machinery while listening to this episode. 69 00:03:52,146 --> 00:03:53,906 Speaker 1: That's the beauty of these podcasts. Now you can just 70 00:03:53,986 --> 00:03:56,426 Speaker 1: hit ten seconds back and you'll be able to just go, 71 00:03:56,546 --> 00:03:58,666 Speaker 1: what was that number? One more time because you're right, 72 00:03:58,906 --> 00:04:00,586 Speaker 1: a lot of the statistics in the data it can 73 00:04:00,586 --> 00:04:02,626 Speaker 1: get a little overwhelming at times, but I think it's 74 00:04:02,666 --> 00:04:04,786 Speaker 1: really important to use some of these numbers to paint 75 00:04:04,786 --> 00:04:07,346 Speaker 1: the picture when we're trying answer this question about defense 76 00:04:07,546 --> 00:04:09,746 Speaker 1: winning championships. But I think you, you know, look your 77 00:04:09,786 --> 00:04:12,426 Speaker 1: old school, right, like you like this idea of running 78 00:04:12,426 --> 00:04:14,866 Speaker 1: the football playing defense. Doesn't get more old school than 79 00:04:15,066 --> 00:04:18,026 Speaker 1: Paul bear Bryant, who's I think many consider the greatest 80 00:04:18,026 --> 00:04:21,866 Speaker 1: college coach of all time, and he said, offense tells tickets, 81 00:04:21,986 --> 00:04:26,906 Speaker 1: defense wins championships when one, another Alabama great, was asked 82 00:04:26,906 --> 00:04:29,346 Speaker 1: if it's still true Nick Saban, who I think you 83 00:04:29,426 --> 00:04:31,346 Speaker 1: might be able to make an argument, is actually the 84 00:04:31,346 --> 00:04:33,906 Speaker 1: greatest college football coach of all time. He actually made 85 00:04:33,946 --> 00:04:35,346 Speaker 1: a really good point. He said, it used to be 86 00:04:35,426 --> 00:04:37,906 Speaker 1: if you had a good defense, other people weren't going 87 00:04:37,986 --> 00:04:40,586 Speaker 1: to score, you were always going to be in the game. 88 00:04:40,706 --> 00:04:45,106 Speaker 1: I'm telling you it ain't that way anymore. So things 89 00:04:45,226 --> 00:04:48,466 Speaker 1: have shifted over time, at least according to one of 90 00:04:48,466 --> 00:04:50,666 Speaker 1: the all time great coaches at the college level. But 91 00:04:50,666 --> 00:04:52,826 Speaker 1: then you start thinking, what about the NFL? Dudes? Right, 92 00:04:52,826 --> 00:04:55,106 Speaker 1: did you see that ESPN show a d d when 93 00:04:55,226 --> 00:04:58,466 Speaker 1: Belichick and Saban were together and they actually showed personality 94 00:04:58,466 --> 00:05:01,266 Speaker 1: which was kind of fun and watch film and told stories. 95 00:05:01,586 --> 00:05:04,186 Speaker 1: You know, when I saw some personality out of Bill Belichick. 96 00:05:05,146 --> 00:05:08,586 Speaker 1: It was just recently after this Monday night game in 97 00:05:08,666 --> 00:05:13,706 Speaker 1: the snow in Buffalo, when Bill Belichick believed so much 98 00:05:13,866 --> 00:05:18,386 Speaker 1: in offensive football that he had his quarterback attempt exactly 99 00:05:18,626 --> 00:05:23,346 Speaker 1: three passes. Okay, extenuating circumstances when you're in the middle 100 00:05:23,346 --> 00:05:26,226 Speaker 1: of a tornado and a windstorm as well. Yeah, tell 101 00:05:26,266 --> 00:05:31,186 Speaker 1: us what Bill Belichick said about to said, we kind 102 00:05:31,186 --> 00:05:34,146 Speaker 1: of disagreed with Sabin, but I think he heads a 103 00:05:34,146 --> 00:05:37,946 Speaker 1: little bit. He's typically disagreed. Look, I'll let our listeners 104 00:05:38,146 --> 00:05:41,026 Speaker 1: be the judge of this. Each game is its own game, 105 00:05:41,106 --> 00:05:43,706 Speaker 1: so it's hard to generalize. Doesn't sound like he's disagreeing 106 00:05:43,706 --> 00:05:45,346 Speaker 1: to me, at least off of that. I don't think 107 00:05:45,386 --> 00:05:47,786 Speaker 1: having your good defense is a bad thing. It's hard 108 00:05:47,866 --> 00:05:50,466 Speaker 1: to score fifty points every game. It's nice when you 109 00:05:50,506 --> 00:05:52,586 Speaker 1: don't have to score a lot of points. We want 110 00:05:52,626 --> 00:05:55,506 Speaker 1: a super Bowl scoring thirt team points. That's not a 111 00:05:55,546 --> 00:05:57,466 Speaker 1: bad thing. He also went on to say football is 112 00:05:57,506 --> 00:06:00,066 Speaker 1: a team game, and there's three facets to it. If 113 00:06:00,106 --> 00:06:02,386 Speaker 1: you're not good in an area, it's probably going to 114 00:06:02,466 --> 00:06:05,026 Speaker 1: catch up with you against a better balanced team. I 115 00:06:05,106 --> 00:06:09,666 Speaker 1: understand what Nick saying. We've talked about that because they're boys, right. 116 00:06:10,106 --> 00:06:12,786 Speaker 1: I think Bill's point, at least in the NFL perspective, 117 00:06:12,866 --> 00:06:14,666 Speaker 1: like colleges, is a different animal. I spent a long 118 00:06:14,666 --> 00:06:18,346 Speaker 1: time covering college football. The teams aren't always balanced, and 119 00:06:18,346 --> 00:06:21,146 Speaker 1: they're certainly not always equal on the field. The NFL 120 00:06:21,306 --> 00:06:23,666 Speaker 1: is a different monster and a different machine. You know, 121 00:06:23,706 --> 00:06:25,186 Speaker 1: as we go through a lot of these stats of 122 00:06:25,226 --> 00:06:27,306 Speaker 1: d D, it should be noted sometimes we're only talking 123 00:06:27,306 --> 00:06:30,106 Speaker 1: about a percentage or two that gives way to a 124 00:06:30,106 --> 00:06:32,866 Speaker 1: team being ranked significantly higher than another. And that's why 125 00:06:33,186 --> 00:06:36,466 Speaker 1: that phrase any given Sunday ener Jamie Fox and al Pacino, 126 00:06:36,586 --> 00:06:38,666 Speaker 1: and we can do the whole movie thing. That's why 127 00:06:38,706 --> 00:06:40,986 Speaker 1: you do see so many upsets and so much parody, 128 00:06:40,986 --> 00:06:42,906 Speaker 1: where on the college level you don't. So I think 129 00:06:42,946 --> 00:06:46,026 Speaker 1: Bill's point about balanced teams is actually a really good 130 00:06:46,026 --> 00:06:48,706 Speaker 1: one and why obviously those Patriots teams have had as 131 00:06:48,786 --> 00:06:52,106 Speaker 1: much success as they've had, and and to that point, 132 00:06:52,386 --> 00:06:55,906 Speaker 1: him saying that, really, at the end of the day, 133 00:06:56,106 --> 00:06:59,066 Speaker 1: football is not being a slave to anyone's scheme, but 134 00:06:59,146 --> 00:07:01,866 Speaker 1: it's recognizing the top of your quote right there, was 135 00:07:02,306 --> 00:07:06,346 Speaker 1: each game is its own game. So each game calls 136 00:07:06,426 --> 00:07:10,706 Speaker 1: upon you to do something perhaps a little bit different. 137 00:07:10,786 --> 00:07:13,906 Speaker 1: It's a matchup game more than it is a slave 138 00:07:13,946 --> 00:07:16,466 Speaker 1: to a scheme game. But you know what, before we 139 00:07:16,506 --> 00:07:18,466 Speaker 1: even get into any of that, and we talk about 140 00:07:18,466 --> 00:07:20,866 Speaker 1: the defensive plan that Todd Bowles came up with for 141 00:07:20,906 --> 00:07:23,626 Speaker 1: the Tampa Bay Bucks against Patrick Mahomes, or the defensive 142 00:07:23,626 --> 00:07:25,906 Speaker 1: plan that Perry Fuel came up with for the New 143 00:07:25,986 --> 00:07:28,986 Speaker 1: York Giants against the Patriots all those years ago. Let's 144 00:07:29,026 --> 00:07:32,106 Speaker 1: just talk about some of the numbers, right, and some 145 00:07:32,226 --> 00:07:35,866 Speaker 1: of the most memorable defenses in the National Football League. 146 00:07:36,426 --> 00:07:39,306 Speaker 1: We have to start with the group that you outlined first, 147 00:07:39,346 --> 00:07:43,346 Speaker 1: the Steelers of the nineteen seventies, the Steel Curtain. The 148 00:07:43,346 --> 00:07:45,146 Speaker 1: Steelers won the Super Bowl. Do you know how many 149 00:07:45,146 --> 00:07:49,226 Speaker 1: times in the nineteen seventies behind the Steel Curtain? Four 150 00:07:49,266 --> 00:07:53,226 Speaker 1: times handling business because of those dudes on defense. That's right, 151 00:07:53,546 --> 00:07:56,066 Speaker 1: Joe Green, And I mean, we could just sit here 152 00:07:56,066 --> 00:07:57,946 Speaker 1: and keep on naming Hall of famers, but the whole 153 00:07:57,946 --> 00:08:00,346 Speaker 1: point here is that their defense had top five finishes 154 00:08:00,386 --> 00:08:03,946 Speaker 1: in both points allowed and yards allowed in six different 155 00:08:04,026 --> 00:08:06,906 Speaker 1: seasons from nineteen seventy two in nineteen seventy nine, And 156 00:08:06,946 --> 00:08:08,466 Speaker 1: as much as we want to look at Golden Boy 157 00:08:08,546 --> 00:08:13,266 Speaker 1: Terry Bradshaw, it is that defense that drove that team. Look, 158 00:08:13,306 --> 00:08:15,026 Speaker 1: there was Joe Green, there was Mel Blunt, there was 159 00:08:15,066 --> 00:08:17,706 Speaker 1: Donnie Shell, there was Jack Ham, there was Jack Lambert. 160 00:08:18,026 --> 00:08:21,546 Speaker 1: There was L. C. Greenwood. Who is the only one 161 00:08:21,586 --> 00:08:23,186 Speaker 1: of all those names that I just mentioned who's not 162 00:08:23,226 --> 00:08:24,906 Speaker 1: in the Hall of Fame, but whose teammates all believe 163 00:08:24,946 --> 00:08:26,986 Speaker 1: that he absolutely should be a part of that Hall 164 00:08:27,026 --> 00:08:29,866 Speaker 1: of Fame. And then look at Super Bowl twenty winners, 165 00:08:29,866 --> 00:08:32,666 Speaker 1: the Chicago Bears. They were known as the Monsters of 166 00:08:32,706 --> 00:08:35,866 Speaker 1: the Midway. They had the fewest points allowed per game 167 00:08:36,306 --> 00:08:40,306 Speaker 1: three point three, basically a field goal. They basically allowed 168 00:08:40,346 --> 00:08:43,986 Speaker 1: a field goal per game, fewest yards per game allowed. 169 00:08:44,586 --> 00:08:47,946 Speaker 1: And then in their playoff run, which by the way, 170 00:08:48,146 --> 00:08:51,226 Speaker 1: ended with a forty six to ten win over the Patriots, 171 00:08:51,626 --> 00:08:56,266 Speaker 1: they pitched shutouts against the Giants and the Ramps. So 172 00:08:56,306 --> 00:08:58,786 Speaker 1: it wasn't just a season of shutting people down, it 173 00:08:58,866 --> 00:09:01,946 Speaker 1: was a playoff run of shutting people down. More impressive 174 00:09:01,986 --> 00:09:04,226 Speaker 1: when you think about the postseason. Those are supposed to 175 00:09:04,266 --> 00:09:06,986 Speaker 1: be the best teams and they were all that dominance. 176 00:09:07,026 --> 00:09:09,906 Speaker 1: So you're making a case for defense. But look, I 177 00:09:09,946 --> 00:09:13,666 Speaker 1: think you can look at Ditka Mike t former Bears 178 00:09:13,666 --> 00:09:16,146 Speaker 1: head coach, and in that year he said, you win 179 00:09:16,386 --> 00:09:20,186 Speaker 1: with offense in the National Football League. Now, and this 180 00:09:20,226 --> 00:09:22,146 Speaker 1: is a dude who won with one of the greatest 181 00:09:22,146 --> 00:09:25,506 Speaker 1: defenses ever, which is really impressive when you consider just 182 00:09:25,506 --> 00:09:27,426 Speaker 1: sort of the shift in philosophy. Now. Once again, he 183 00:09:27,506 --> 00:09:31,146 Speaker 1: made those claims back in twelve and I think we've 184 00:09:31,186 --> 00:09:34,026 Speaker 1: even sewed even more heavily to some of these offensive numbers. 185 00:09:34,026 --> 00:09:35,466 Speaker 1: But let's take a look back at some of these 186 00:09:35,466 --> 00:09:39,266 Speaker 1: other defenses. Two thousand Ravens, for sure, Absolute Beast Super 187 00:09:39,306 --> 00:09:42,426 Speaker 1: Bowl winners had the lowest scoring offense twenty point eight 188 00:09:42,426 --> 00:09:44,666 Speaker 1: points per game. Can you imagine just putting up twenty 189 00:09:44,666 --> 00:09:46,146 Speaker 1: one points a game, Like, you're not gonna win a 190 00:09:46,146 --> 00:09:48,866 Speaker 1: whole lot unless you have a defense that's giving up 191 00:09:48,946 --> 00:09:51,426 Speaker 1: ten point three points per game. They led the league 192 00:09:51,466 --> 00:09:53,826 Speaker 1: that year, um and it was the best scoring defense 193 00:09:53,866 --> 00:09:56,786 Speaker 1: in the last forty years, so certainly impressive. You got 194 00:09:56,786 --> 00:10:00,226 Speaker 1: the Seahawks of the twenty tens, the legendary secondary Lesion 195 00:10:00,266 --> 00:10:02,026 Speaker 1: of Boom. I know we touched on them during our 196 00:10:02,106 --> 00:10:04,186 Speaker 1: Names episode. Encourage you to go back and listen to 197 00:10:04,226 --> 00:10:07,106 Speaker 1: that episode of NFL explained those guys were tremendous, that 198 00:10:07,186 --> 00:10:09,186 Speaker 1: Legion of Boom, the number one is scoring defense, top 199 00:10:09,226 --> 00:10:12,746 Speaker 1: five in yards allowed from and then of course they 200 00:10:12,746 --> 00:10:16,266 Speaker 1: won the Super Bowl back in and of course when 201 00:10:16,266 --> 00:10:18,746 Speaker 1: you have a nickname that good, there's gonna be some offshoots. 202 00:10:18,866 --> 00:10:22,186 Speaker 1: Legion of Zoom, what up? Kansas City Chiefs obviously getting 203 00:10:22,186 --> 00:10:24,146 Speaker 1: it going. But dd I know there's a ton of 204 00:10:24,226 --> 00:10:26,346 Speaker 1: numbers that we've been getting at but I think when 205 00:10:26,386 --> 00:10:28,546 Speaker 1: we come back, we gotta make a case for offense, 206 00:10:28,746 --> 00:10:31,586 Speaker 1: right or is there one stat for defense that really 207 00:10:31,626 --> 00:10:34,426 Speaker 1: trumps everything? We got the answer coming up next on 208 00:10:34,546 --> 00:10:41,306 Speaker 1: NFL explained, America's most reliable network is going ultra with 209 00:10:41,506 --> 00:10:43,746 Speaker 1: rise in five G Ultra wide band and more and 210 00:10:43,786 --> 00:10:46,306 Speaker 1: more places, so you can do more without the ten 211 00:10:46,386 --> 00:10:49,546 Speaker 1: times faster speeds. You can download a movie in mirror minutes. 212 00:10:49,626 --> 00:10:52,946 Speaker 1: What yes, that's faster than your morning coffee. Run lights 213 00:10:53,146 --> 00:10:55,506 Speaker 1: camera coffee. 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We had to hold it a little 238 00:12:09,506 --> 00:12:12,186 Speaker 1: to the welcome back to the NFL Explained Podcast, She's 239 00:12:12,226 --> 00:12:14,346 Speaker 1: a d D kin kabwala, Mike yam with you and 240 00:12:14,506 --> 00:12:16,546 Speaker 1: a d D looking at the defenses. It's all about 241 00:12:16,666 --> 00:12:19,306 Speaker 1: winning championships, isn't it. That's kind of the whole point 242 00:12:19,306 --> 00:12:23,146 Speaker 1: of this episode. So our research team, absolutely phenomenal, went 243 00:12:23,226 --> 00:12:26,666 Speaker 1: back last fifty five Super Bowl. So thirty three out 244 00:12:26,666 --> 00:12:29,226 Speaker 1: of the fifty five Super Bowl winners have had a 245 00:12:29,306 --> 00:12:33,746 Speaker 1: top five scoring offense. Thirty three out of those fifty 246 00:12:33,746 --> 00:12:37,106 Speaker 1: five Super Bowl winners had a top five scoring defense, 247 00:12:37,186 --> 00:12:41,386 Speaker 1: so relatively balanced. Going back to Belichick's quote about having 248 00:12:42,146 --> 00:12:46,626 Speaker 1: it's about thirty three, yeah it's bounced. So they're both 249 00:12:46,666 --> 00:12:49,666 Speaker 1: sitting there. Top five scoring offense, top scoring defense. Now, 250 00:12:49,706 --> 00:12:53,186 Speaker 1: twenty four teams with the number one scoring offense have 251 00:12:53,386 --> 00:12:56,786 Speaker 1: reached the Super Bowl. Twenty one teams a d D 252 00:12:56,906 --> 00:12:59,986 Speaker 1: with the number one scoring defense have reached the Super Bowl. 253 00:12:59,986 --> 00:13:02,426 Speaker 1: And among the one hundred and ten Super Bowl teams, 254 00:13:02,946 --> 00:13:08,186 Speaker 1: nine six had a top ten scoring offense. So you're wondering, 255 00:13:08,306 --> 00:13:11,786 Speaker 1: what about those scoring defenses? Right? Well, super Bowl teams 256 00:13:12,026 --> 00:13:14,786 Speaker 1: eighty eight of them had a top ten scoring defense, 257 00:13:15,106 --> 00:13:17,706 Speaker 1: and of that group, seventy six had a top ten 258 00:13:17,826 --> 00:13:22,186 Speaker 1: scoring offense and scoring defense. So once again, maybe the 259 00:13:22,266 --> 00:13:26,026 Speaker 1: numbers a d D scream or at least quietly say 260 00:13:26,106 --> 00:13:30,186 Speaker 1: it's all about the offense. Maybe, Except listen, only five 261 00:13:30,346 --> 00:13:33,226 Speaker 1: Super Bowl winners of all time have had a top 262 00:13:33,346 --> 00:13:38,386 Speaker 1: five scoring offense without a scoring defense that was in 263 00:13:38,426 --> 00:13:40,746 Speaker 1: the top ten, So that would actually say you need 264 00:13:40,786 --> 00:13:43,186 Speaker 1: to be a balanced team who can do both. Broadway 265 00:13:43,266 --> 00:13:46,466 Speaker 1: Joe Namath, he led the Ninetts to that Super Bowl 266 00:13:46,586 --> 00:13:49,826 Speaker 1: upset win while that scoring defense was outside the top ten. 267 00:13:49,906 --> 00:13:54,866 Speaker 1: John Madden coached Ken Stabler nineteen seventy six Raiders team 268 00:13:54,906 --> 00:13:57,986 Speaker 1: that didn't have a particularly good defense. The three Raiders 269 00:13:57,986 --> 00:13:59,986 Speaker 1: with Marcus Allen and Jim Plunkett, well, they didn't have 270 00:14:00,026 --> 00:14:03,266 Speaker 1: a top ten defense. The two thousand six Colts with 271 00:14:03,386 --> 00:14:06,386 Speaker 1: of course Peyton Manning and Marvin Harrison did not have 272 00:14:06,466 --> 00:14:09,906 Speaker 1: a top ten defense. And the two thousand nine Saints 273 00:14:09,986 --> 00:14:14,386 Speaker 1: Drew Brees, they did not have a top ten defense. 274 00:14:15,146 --> 00:14:17,946 Speaker 1: But the flip to that is so let me remind 275 00:14:17,946 --> 00:14:21,226 Speaker 1: you again, there have been five Super Bowl winners that 276 00:14:21,346 --> 00:14:25,226 Speaker 1: had a top five scoring offense but did not have 277 00:14:25,466 --> 00:14:30,066 Speaker 1: a top ten scoring defense. There have been eight eight 278 00:14:30,266 --> 00:14:33,626 Speaker 1: eight is more than five mic eight Super Bowl winners 279 00:14:33,666 --> 00:14:37,186 Speaker 1: that had a scoring defense in the top five but 280 00:14:37,226 --> 00:14:39,826 Speaker 1: a scoring offense that was not in the top ten. 281 00:14:40,506 --> 00:14:42,706 Speaker 1: So look at the two thousand eight Steelers. You remember 282 00:14:42,706 --> 00:14:45,346 Speaker 1: those two thousand Stealers, right, They did not have a 283 00:14:45,506 --> 00:14:49,266 Speaker 1: high rank scoring offense twenty in the NFL. They barely 284 00:14:49,266 --> 00:14:51,546 Speaker 1: averaged twenty two points per game, but they had a 285 00:14:51,706 --> 00:14:55,626 Speaker 1: number one scoring defense. That defense allowed less than two 286 00:14:55,706 --> 00:14:58,266 Speaker 1: touchdowns a game. And those two thousand eight Stealers, of course, 287 00:14:58,306 --> 00:15:00,066 Speaker 1: won the Super Bowl. And then, as you said, the 288 00:15:00,066 --> 00:15:02,946 Speaker 1: two thousand Ravens who beat our New York Giants when 289 00:15:02,986 --> 00:15:05,346 Speaker 1: we were young little kids in New Jersey rooting for 290 00:15:05,346 --> 00:15:07,546 Speaker 1: the Giant, right, I remember that came Well, I mean 291 00:15:07,786 --> 00:15:10,986 Speaker 1: for me, that's a wind column for the defense, right, 292 00:15:11,066 --> 00:15:14,986 Speaker 1: because there's more that had an overwhelming defense that could 293 00:15:15,186 --> 00:15:19,706 Speaker 1: overcome an underwhelming offense as opposed to the flip side. Okay, 294 00:15:19,706 --> 00:15:23,226 Speaker 1: but you are talking about the number one scoring defenses 295 00:15:23,266 --> 00:15:25,906 Speaker 1: in both of those instances making up for maybe a 296 00:15:25,986 --> 00:15:29,946 Speaker 1: lack of offensive production, which to me means maybe we're 297 00:15:29,946 --> 00:15:32,746 Speaker 1: looking at least some of those cases they're they're the outliers. 298 00:15:32,746 --> 00:15:35,026 Speaker 1: So I think, look, the game has changed, right, Like, 299 00:15:35,066 --> 00:15:37,426 Speaker 1: I think it's abundantly clear. We all watched the game 300 00:15:37,546 --> 00:15:40,706 Speaker 1: on Sundays, Mondays and Thursdays. The point is things do 301 00:15:40,746 --> 00:15:43,106 Speaker 1: askew on the offensive side. So let's take a look 302 00:15:43,146 --> 00:15:45,306 Speaker 1: at least at the last eight years and the Super 303 00:15:45,306 --> 00:15:48,986 Speaker 1: Bowl winners when it comes to their offensive and defensive rankings. 304 00:15:49,186 --> 00:15:52,666 Speaker 1: Last eight seasons, only one team ranked outside the top 305 00:15:52,706 --> 00:15:55,666 Speaker 1: eight in either offense or defense, which makes sense, right, Like, 306 00:15:55,666 --> 00:15:57,026 Speaker 1: you've got to be one of the better teams to 307 00:15:57,026 --> 00:16:00,426 Speaker 1: even get to the Super Bowl and that was Broncos, 308 00:16:00,466 --> 00:16:04,666 Speaker 1: who were nineteenth and offense but fourth on defense. Well, 309 00:16:04,746 --> 00:16:07,586 Speaker 1: and so this goes to my point about we are 310 00:16:07,666 --> 00:16:11,506 Speaker 1: talking about trends and season long and how a defense 311 00:16:11,586 --> 00:16:14,386 Speaker 1: walks into a game. And so I'll use the Mannings 312 00:16:14,426 --> 00:16:17,746 Speaker 1: again and I'll go back to that Giants team that 313 00:16:17,786 --> 00:16:20,986 Speaker 1: I covered in two thousand eleven, and it actually matches exactly. 314 00:16:21,386 --> 00:16:24,026 Speaker 1: So Eli Manning is the quarterback of the Giants in 315 00:16:24,066 --> 00:16:26,346 Speaker 1: two thousand eleven wins the Super Bowl m v P, 316 00:16:26,906 --> 00:16:30,026 Speaker 1: and Peyton Manning is the quarterback of the Indianapolis Colts 317 00:16:30,066 --> 00:16:33,066 Speaker 1: in two thousand six and wins his first Super Bowl MVP. 318 00:16:33,586 --> 00:16:38,026 Speaker 1: Neither the Colts nor the Giants had particularly good defenses 319 00:16:38,146 --> 00:16:39,946 Speaker 1: that year. In fact, there are two of the very 320 00:16:39,946 --> 00:16:43,186 Speaker 1: few outliers and that their bottom ten defenses that actually 321 00:16:43,186 --> 00:16:45,866 Speaker 1: won super Bowls. But look at what happened in the 322 00:16:45,986 --> 00:16:48,546 Speaker 1: Super Bowl. Let's start with two thousand and six. The 323 00:16:48,626 --> 00:16:53,346 Speaker 1: Colts beat the Bears twenty nine seventeen in Super Bowl 324 00:16:53,426 --> 00:16:57,786 Speaker 1: forty one, and so the Bears had both an offense 325 00:16:57,906 --> 00:17:00,626 Speaker 1: and a defense that was ranked in the top three 326 00:17:00,666 --> 00:17:03,506 Speaker 1: at the time, but the Colts came up with such 327 00:17:03,546 --> 00:17:07,386 Speaker 1: a dynamic defensive performance in this one game that they 328 00:17:07,386 --> 00:17:10,666 Speaker 1: were able to completely contain the Bears, hold them the 329 00:17:10,746 --> 00:17:14,306 Speaker 1: seventeen points, and that's ultimately why the Colts won. I mean, 330 00:17:14,306 --> 00:17:16,346 Speaker 1: this wasn't the greatest show on turf. Twenty nine points 331 00:17:16,386 --> 00:17:18,106 Speaker 1: is not like, oh my god, you're ripping your hair out. 332 00:17:18,546 --> 00:17:21,666 Speaker 1: Move forward to Super Bowl forty six, when Eli Manning 333 00:17:21,706 --> 00:17:23,746 Speaker 1: and his Giants were in the house that Peyton built 334 00:17:23,866 --> 00:17:27,306 Speaker 1: in Indianapolis, Lucas Oil Stadium, and the Giants beat the 335 00:17:27,346 --> 00:17:33,266 Speaker 1: Patriots one seventeen. That Giants defense was not particularly good. 336 00:17:33,266 --> 00:17:35,986 Speaker 1: They were actually twenty five and points per game allowed, 337 00:17:36,346 --> 00:17:39,466 Speaker 1: but they had these four tremendous defensive ends that defensive 338 00:17:39,466 --> 00:17:43,426 Speaker 1: coordinator Peri Fuel used in his Nascar defense. Their stunts, 339 00:17:43,466 --> 00:17:47,346 Speaker 1: their pressure, they completely messed with Tom Brady, hold the 340 00:17:47,386 --> 00:17:50,546 Speaker 1: Patriots and Tom Brady to seventeen points, and hey, the 341 00:17:50,626 --> 00:17:53,146 Speaker 1: Giants win their second Super Bowl under Tom Coughlin and 342 00:17:53,186 --> 00:17:57,506 Speaker 1: Eli Manning. So while that doesn't necessarily fit our earlier 343 00:17:57,826 --> 00:18:01,226 Speaker 1: explanation of great defenses over the course of the season, 344 00:18:01,746 --> 00:18:05,506 Speaker 1: it is about coming up with a tremendous defensive performance 345 00:18:05,786 --> 00:18:09,066 Speaker 1: and that's what ultimately won the game. In the cherry 346 00:18:09,146 --> 00:18:12,826 Speaker 1: on the top here is that only nine teams have 347 00:18:13,026 --> 00:18:16,626 Speaker 1: won a Super Bowl with a scoring offense ranked outside 348 00:18:16,666 --> 00:18:21,746 Speaker 1: the top ten. But those nine teams were basically bailed 349 00:18:21,786 --> 00:18:26,186 Speaker 1: out by their defenses. Seven Green Bay Packers they were 350 00:18:26,186 --> 00:18:30,546 Speaker 1: the thirteenth worst in points per game, the New York 351 00:18:30,546 --> 00:18:33,826 Speaker 1: Giants they were fourteenth worst, the two thousand to Tampa 352 00:18:33,906 --> 00:18:37,666 Speaker 1: Bay Bucks fifteenth worst in points per game, the two 353 00:18:37,986 --> 00:18:40,626 Speaker 1: Pittsburgh Steelers, which we just talked about, thirteenth worst in 354 00:18:40,706 --> 00:18:43,986 Speaker 1: points per game. On the two thousand fifteen Denver Broncos 355 00:18:44,186 --> 00:18:48,186 Speaker 1: fourteenth worst in points per game. None of those offenses 356 00:18:48,226 --> 00:18:54,866 Speaker 1: were setting anybody on fire, but their defenses drove them too, 357 00:18:55,426 --> 00:18:59,866 Speaker 1: and then led them to Super Bowl titles. Well, one 358 00:18:59,866 --> 00:19:01,426 Speaker 1: of the things that's kind of interesting is you make 359 00:19:01,506 --> 00:19:03,506 Speaker 1: reference to some of those teams in some of those 360 00:19:03,506 --> 00:19:05,826 Speaker 1: instances we're talking about decades ago, and I get the 361 00:19:05,826 --> 00:19:09,826 Speaker 1: Denver Bronco that's not that long ago. But the point is, 362 00:19:09,946 --> 00:19:11,986 Speaker 1: I think we can all agree that the game is 363 00:19:12,186 --> 00:19:15,106 Speaker 1: trending more towards offenses. And if you look at the 364 00:19:15,186 --> 00:19:18,186 Speaker 1: last ten Super Bowl winners according to d v o A, 365 00:19:18,346 --> 00:19:20,226 Speaker 1: and some people are like, what's d v o A. Well, 366 00:19:20,266 --> 00:19:22,826 Speaker 1: if you're static you know exactly what we're talking about. 367 00:19:22,866 --> 00:19:25,906 Speaker 1: The analytics experts, they love to use d v o A, 368 00:19:26,066 --> 00:19:30,466 Speaker 1: which stands for defense adjusted value over average. Basically, it's 369 00:19:30,466 --> 00:19:33,586 Speaker 1: stats that measure a team's efficiency by comparing success on 370 00:19:33,666 --> 00:19:37,506 Speaker 1: every single play to the league average based on situation 371 00:19:37,906 --> 00:19:41,506 Speaker 1: an opponent. Trust me, it sounds complicated, and it is 372 00:19:41,546 --> 00:19:44,506 Speaker 1: actually complicated, So we won't go into full details around 373 00:19:44,546 --> 00:19:47,066 Speaker 1: that stuff. But if you just trust in that metric 374 00:19:47,106 --> 00:19:49,146 Speaker 1: and you look at those last tense Super Bowl winners 375 00:19:49,506 --> 00:19:51,666 Speaker 1: using d v o A, the average rank of the 376 00:19:51,746 --> 00:19:56,386 Speaker 1: defenses z LEMN, where's the offense. It's actually ranked higher, 377 00:19:56,466 --> 00:20:00,346 Speaker 1: sitting at eighth. So it does seem like the offenses 378 00:20:00,506 --> 00:20:03,906 Speaker 1: more recently seem to have a little bit more success 379 00:20:03,946 --> 00:20:06,226 Speaker 1: in some of those bigger games. I just feel like 380 00:20:06,266 --> 00:20:10,026 Speaker 1: you're reaching at this point with the d v o A. 381 00:20:11,586 --> 00:20:14,306 Speaker 1: I think that that's one of the magical qualities of numbers. 382 00:20:14,346 --> 00:20:16,666 Speaker 1: You can make them tell you whatever you want them 383 00:20:16,666 --> 00:20:19,386 Speaker 1: to tell you. But here I'll give you numbers that 384 00:20:19,466 --> 00:20:25,106 Speaker 1: you cannot quibble with, and that is takeaways. To me. 385 00:20:25,546 --> 00:20:29,346 Speaker 1: One of the most important, not just exciting, but important 386 00:20:29,426 --> 00:20:33,106 Speaker 1: defensive metrics is how good is your team at taking 387 00:20:33,106 --> 00:20:36,146 Speaker 1: the ball away, Can you stem momentum, can you change 388 00:20:36,146 --> 00:20:39,586 Speaker 1: the tide? Can you stall a drive? It's what Steeler 389 00:20:39,626 --> 00:20:43,546 Speaker 1: said coach Mike Tomlin called splash plays. So how about 390 00:20:43,546 --> 00:20:46,986 Speaker 1: this one thirty six out of the fifty five Super 391 00:20:47,026 --> 00:20:50,426 Speaker 1: Bowl winners, that means more than sixty five per cent 392 00:20:50,666 --> 00:20:53,586 Speaker 1: of every team that's won a Super Bowl ranks in 393 00:20:53,626 --> 00:20:58,346 Speaker 1: the top ten in takeaways. Seven teams won a Super 394 00:20:58,386 --> 00:21:03,026 Speaker 1: Bowl after finishing first in takeaways that season, and really 395 00:21:03,386 --> 00:21:06,266 Speaker 1: six of the first thirty five Super Bowls were won 396 00:21:06,306 --> 00:21:09,306 Speaker 1: by the team that ranked first in takeaway. So there's 397 00:21:09,426 --> 00:21:11,986 Speaker 1: only three teams. Though. Let me tell you this because 398 00:21:11,986 --> 00:21:14,426 Speaker 1: it's kind of cool. There's only three teams in the 399 00:21:14,586 --> 00:21:17,626 Speaker 1: entire Super Bowl era that finished number one in total 400 00:21:17,706 --> 00:21:19,986 Speaker 1: yards per game allowed, which we talked about earlier, and 401 00:21:20,066 --> 00:21:22,626 Speaker 1: points per game allowed, which we talked about earlier, and 402 00:21:22,946 --> 00:21:27,426 Speaker 1: this stat takeaways. That's the Seahawks, which of course won 403 00:21:27,466 --> 00:21:30,706 Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, the Chicago Bears, which of course won 404 00:21:30,746 --> 00:21:34,186 Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, and then the nineteen seven Minnesota Vikings 405 00:21:34,226 --> 00:21:37,026 Speaker 1: who lost in the divisional round. But you know, I'm 406 00:21:37,026 --> 00:21:40,106 Speaker 1: not blaming that entirely on the defense. I actually buy 407 00:21:40,266 --> 00:21:42,466 Speaker 1: into what you're saying with regard to takeaways. I don't 408 00:21:42,506 --> 00:21:44,146 Speaker 1: know if you realize this, Adity. I don't think you 409 00:21:44,226 --> 00:21:45,946 Speaker 1: and I have talked about this, but I actually do 410 00:21:46,226 --> 00:21:50,946 Speaker 1: my own statistical analysis and modeling on my own and 411 00:21:51,066 --> 00:21:54,306 Speaker 1: I always use yeah we can, Yeah, we could talk 412 00:21:54,346 --> 00:21:56,986 Speaker 1: about that off air, but I always use turnovers as 413 00:21:57,066 --> 00:21:59,626 Speaker 1: a metric because I do think it. It leads to it. 414 00:21:59,786 --> 00:22:02,866 Speaker 1: It is a predictor to success. So I'm not suggesting 415 00:22:02,906 --> 00:22:07,066 Speaker 1: that defense doesn't win championships or does because you obviously 416 00:22:07,106 --> 00:22:09,666 Speaker 1: need a really strong defense. We chronicle the numbers and 417 00:22:09,706 --> 00:22:12,226 Speaker 1: what they mean. Generally speaking, being in the top five, 418 00:22:12,306 --> 00:22:14,946 Speaker 1: top ten in both offense and defense get a really 419 00:22:14,946 --> 00:22:16,826 Speaker 1: good chance of making it to the Super Bowl. I 420 00:22:16,866 --> 00:22:19,866 Speaker 1: do think the importance of takeaways is really significant. But 421 00:22:19,986 --> 00:22:22,506 Speaker 1: off of those takeaways, Adity, you're kind of relying on 422 00:22:22,546 --> 00:22:25,386 Speaker 1: your offense to deliver and score unless we're talking about 423 00:22:25,466 --> 00:22:27,626 Speaker 1: a scoop and score or a pick six. So you 424 00:22:27,706 --> 00:22:30,706 Speaker 1: need to be able to score. And look, I know 425 00:22:30,746 --> 00:22:33,386 Speaker 1: where you're at, and you're a defense wins championship type 426 00:22:33,386 --> 00:22:35,506 Speaker 1: of person. I think the game the way it's played 427 00:22:35,586 --> 00:22:37,906 Speaker 1: right now, you need offense. It is skeewed heavily. Some 428 00:22:37,946 --> 00:22:39,346 Speaker 1: of the rules, some of the things that we've seen 429 00:22:39,346 --> 00:22:43,026 Speaker 1: on the field does give offenses an advantage. And the 430 00:22:43,066 --> 00:22:45,746 Speaker 1: only thing that I will say is, while it's fun 431 00:22:46,026 --> 00:22:48,666 Speaker 1: to watch, you know, defense and the toughness, I think 432 00:22:48,706 --> 00:22:51,586 Speaker 1: if your team has the mentality that you're just tougher 433 00:22:51,826 --> 00:22:53,746 Speaker 1: no matter how you deliver it, whether it's on offense 434 00:22:53,826 --> 00:22:55,506 Speaker 1: or defense, you still got a pretty good chance of 435 00:22:55,506 --> 00:22:58,186 Speaker 1: winning the game because this is a game for tough 436 00:22:58,346 --> 00:23:01,106 Speaker 1: players to try to achieve at the highest peaks, which 437 00:23:01,146 --> 00:23:04,546 Speaker 1: is winning a Super Bowl. Sure, but here's my last 438 00:23:04,826 --> 00:23:08,426 Speaker 1: final point, Mike, and you're not going to be able 439 00:23:08,426 --> 00:23:10,466 Speaker 1: to talk your way out of this one. This is 440 00:23:10,466 --> 00:23:13,386 Speaker 1: when we come to our quiz section. Okay, so seven 441 00:23:13,426 --> 00:23:17,026 Speaker 1: times in the Super Bowl era, the number one scoring 442 00:23:17,146 --> 00:23:20,706 Speaker 1: defense in the NFL met up with the number one 443 00:23:20,826 --> 00:23:25,946 Speaker 1: scoring offense. Got it, super Bowl matchup, number one scoring 444 00:23:26,026 --> 00:23:30,306 Speaker 1: defense versus the number one scoring offense. Give me a record. 445 00:23:30,466 --> 00:23:34,026 Speaker 1: I would imagine it's not heavily favored towards the offensive players. 446 00:23:34,066 --> 00:23:36,226 Speaker 1: Knowing where you stand and how you give me a record, 447 00:23:36,226 --> 00:23:38,066 Speaker 1: give me a record, stop and give me a record. 448 00:23:38,946 --> 00:23:41,146 Speaker 1: Four and one. I won't go with a clean sweep, 449 00:23:41,186 --> 00:23:47,186 Speaker 1: just to seven seven seven? Uh? Then I will go 450 00:23:47,546 --> 00:23:49,826 Speaker 1: one game above them, will do a little four in 451 00:23:49,906 --> 00:23:56,946 Speaker 1: three action No. Six and one. Six times the number 452 00:23:57,026 --> 00:24:01,226 Speaker 1: one scoring defense took it to the number one scoring offense. 453 00:24:01,866 --> 00:24:06,986 Speaker 1: The one exception was in nine when San Francisco beat Denver, 454 00:24:07,306 --> 00:24:10,666 Speaker 1: but that's because that offense was so outrageous and ridiculous 455 00:24:10,666 --> 00:24:14,186 Speaker 1: the score was ten. I'd also love to know what 456 00:24:14,226 --> 00:24:18,826 Speaker 1: those defenses were offensively and what those offensive teams were defensively, 457 00:24:18,826 --> 00:24:21,466 Speaker 1: because then I'll circle back right to what Bill Belichick 458 00:24:21,506 --> 00:24:23,346 Speaker 1: said and the quote from the start of this podcast, 459 00:24:23,506 --> 00:24:25,506 Speaker 1: being a well balanced team will get it done. So 460 00:24:25,706 --> 00:24:27,546 Speaker 1: me and I don't know enough about it can and 461 00:24:27,626 --> 00:24:29,226 Speaker 1: maybe we can dig if you have the teams in 462 00:24:29,266 --> 00:24:31,186 Speaker 1: front of you. I'd love to know the rankings because 463 00:24:31,226 --> 00:24:32,986 Speaker 1: that's how I would talk my way out of that 464 00:24:33,106 --> 00:24:35,666 Speaker 1: situation and team. You know, look, I have covered Mike 465 00:24:35,666 --> 00:24:37,746 Speaker 1: Tomlin and the Pittsburgh Steelers and the a f C 466 00:24:37,866 --> 00:24:40,066 Speaker 1: North for a long time, and there's one ethos in 467 00:24:40,106 --> 00:24:42,346 Speaker 1: this sort of weather and in this division, and that 468 00:24:42,506 --> 00:24:45,386 Speaker 1: is that when you have a good defense, you always 469 00:24:45,426 --> 00:24:47,426 Speaker 1: have a chance. And in fact, that is something that 470 00:24:47,506 --> 00:24:49,706 Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin has said repeatedly. He's been a part of 471 00:24:49,706 --> 00:24:52,026 Speaker 1: a number one defense as an assistant coach in Tampa 472 00:24:52,066 --> 00:24:54,746 Speaker 1: Bay with those two thousand and two bucks. He was 473 00:24:54,826 --> 00:24:57,306 Speaker 1: with the Steelers when the number one defense won the 474 00:24:57,346 --> 00:25:01,306 Speaker 1: two thousand and eight Super Bowl. So again, for me, 475 00:25:01,586 --> 00:25:03,866 Speaker 1: I think that if you can stop the other guys, 476 00:25:04,346 --> 00:25:06,386 Speaker 1: you're in good shape. And if I we're building a team, 477 00:25:06,426 --> 00:25:09,466 Speaker 1: I'd build my team around a great pass rusher before 478 00:25:09,546 --> 00:25:12,146 Speaker 1: I would behind a great running back. You know, Mike 479 00:25:12,186 --> 00:25:15,266 Speaker 1: Tomlins quote does resonate for me, and I think you're 480 00:25:15,346 --> 00:25:17,386 Speaker 1: right because when your offense is having a bad day, 481 00:25:17,386 --> 00:25:19,306 Speaker 1: if you can rely on your defense and win ugly, 482 00:25:19,466 --> 00:25:21,786 Speaker 1: for sure, I think there's something to be said for that. 483 00:25:21,866 --> 00:25:25,266 Speaker 1: And hopefully your bad day doesn't come when the world's 484 00:25:25,346 --> 00:25:27,826 Speaker 1: eyes are on you in the Super Bowl. And if 485 00:25:27,866 --> 00:25:29,906 Speaker 1: it does and you have that better defense, maybe it 486 00:25:30,026 --> 00:25:32,186 Speaker 1: is a way to make the case to win a championship. 487 00:25:32,266 --> 00:25:34,026 Speaker 1: But the way the rules are set up, the way 488 00:25:34,106 --> 00:25:37,186 Speaker 1: things are trending, I'll still take my offense and feel 489 00:25:37,226 --> 00:25:39,266 Speaker 1: good about my chances. But I'll go back to what 490 00:25:39,266 --> 00:25:40,666 Speaker 1: you said a little while ago when you were talking 491 00:25:40,666 --> 00:25:43,346 Speaker 1: about toughness. Don't you feel like defensive players have a 492 00:25:43,346 --> 00:25:47,026 Speaker 1: little different mentality than offensive players. Yeah, I think generally speaking, 493 00:25:47,026 --> 00:25:49,426 Speaker 1: there's something to that. But I'm the last guy that 494 00:25:49,466 --> 00:25:51,706 Speaker 1: says some of those big boys, those mushroom men up 495 00:25:51,706 --> 00:25:54,466 Speaker 1: front on an offensive line that have done a tremendous 496 00:25:54,586 --> 00:25:56,466 Speaker 1: job in in You know, if you want to run 497 00:25:56,466 --> 00:25:58,466 Speaker 1: the football, for example, which is by the way, part 498 00:25:58,466 --> 00:26:00,666 Speaker 1: of offense, like those are tough dudes as well, and 499 00:26:00,706 --> 00:26:02,946 Speaker 1: it's not always the easiest thing to be the target. 500 00:26:02,986 --> 00:26:04,626 Speaker 1: You know. It's one thing when you know the hit 501 00:26:04,746 --> 00:26:06,786 Speaker 1: is coming because you're the guy unleashing it, and there's 502 00:26:06,786 --> 00:26:09,026 Speaker 1: definitely a tough mentality. It's another thing to be a 503 00:26:09,026 --> 00:26:11,426 Speaker 1: wide receiver going across the middle know that some dude's 504 00:26:11,466 --> 00:26:13,026 Speaker 1: trying to take your head off as well, and that's 505 00:26:13,026 --> 00:26:15,466 Speaker 1: not always the easiest thing. The game is filled with 506 00:26:15,466 --> 00:26:19,186 Speaker 1: tough people. But to your point, I would generally say, 507 00:26:19,226 --> 00:26:22,026 Speaker 1: maybe that does lie on the defense. But if I'm 508 00:26:22,026 --> 00:26:24,786 Speaker 1: building my team, I just want tough dudes fair. But 509 00:26:24,986 --> 00:26:27,906 Speaker 1: I mean, we'll see what happens, right, We've got another season, 510 00:26:27,946 --> 00:26:30,786 Speaker 1: We've got another data point to add in just a 511 00:26:30,826 --> 00:26:33,146 Speaker 1: few months. But I'm still going to ride with the 512 00:26:33,186 --> 00:26:38,226 Speaker 1: idea that, especially in January, especially in bad weather, it's 513 00:26:38,266 --> 00:26:40,706 Speaker 1: your defense that's going to carry you well. I would 514 00:26:40,786 --> 00:26:43,266 Speaker 1: love to know what some of our listeners think about this, 515 00:26:43,346 --> 00:26:46,466 Speaker 1: and we have actually got a lot of interaction lately, 516 00:26:46,506 --> 00:26:48,586 Speaker 1: and of course we've got our mail Bag episode coming 517 00:26:48,666 --> 00:26:51,466 Speaker 1: up very very soon, so continue to fire off some 518 00:26:51,506 --> 00:26:54,866 Speaker 1: of those tweets. I'm compiling the list at Mike Underscore, 519 00:26:54,946 --> 00:26:57,826 Speaker 1: yam at a king kabwala. 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