1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:01,599 Speaker 1: Hey, guys, Saga and Crystal here. 2 00:00:01,680 --> 00:00:05,200 Speaker 2: Independent media just played a truly massive role in this election, 3 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 2: and we are so excited about what that means for 4 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:08,720 Speaker 2: the future of the show. 5 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:10,719 Speaker 3: This is the only place where you can find honest 6 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:13,239 Speaker 3: perspectives from the left and the right that simply does 7 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 3: not exist anywhere else. 8 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:17,080 Speaker 2: So if that is something that's important to you, please 9 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:19,599 Speaker 2: go to Breakingpoints dot com. Become a member today and 10 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:22,800 Speaker 2: you'll get access to our full shows, unedited, ad free, 11 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:25,600 Speaker 2: and all put together for you every morning in your inbox. 12 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 3: We need your help to build the future of independent 13 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 3: news media and we hope to see you at Breakingpoints 14 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:35,080 Speaker 3: dot com. At the same time, we got to take 15 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:40,200 Speaker 3: a look at an insane crypto shitcoin scandal sweeping Argentina 16 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 3: and ensnaring personalities here in the United States, like Dave 17 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:46,920 Speaker 3: Portinoi's called Libra. Let's go ahead and put this one 18 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:50,880 Speaker 3: up there on the screen. So Javier Malay, the literal 19 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 3: president of Argentina, has been ensnared in this mean coin 20 00:00:55,520 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 3: scandal Libra, after promoting it on social media. When he 21 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 3: promoted the Libra coin on social media within quote five hours, 22 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 3: over four point four billion dollars of market cap was 23 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:13,039 Speaker 3: erased in a classic pump and dumb scheme where it 24 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 3: went from basically worth nothing to a couple of dollars 25 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 3: worth a coin where insiders were able to have a 26 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 3: rug pull were able to sell for hundreds of millions 27 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:28,000 Speaker 3: of dollars by their own admission, several secret insiders and 28 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 3: others who are involved. The tail is traced back to 29 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:38,479 Speaker 3: some American citizens, it seems, and other kushety characters, one 30 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 3: of whom the person who appears do you want to 31 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 3: help me with any of this? Appears mister Hayden, who 32 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 3: is orchestrating this entire thing behind the scenes. But what's 33 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 3: unclear to me is how many other people are involved 34 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 3: with his firm. It's like his father and his brother 35 00:01:56,560 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 3: and their secret investors. Coffee Zilla, friend of our show, 36 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 3: interviewed them. But anything you want to fill in. 37 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 2: Before this dude is one of he describes him. Coffee 38 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:09,080 Speaker 2: describes him as one of the big four creators of Libra. Now, 39 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 2: he tries to say in this interview with Coffee like, oh, 40 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 2: I was just like, you know, making the decisions on 41 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:15,919 Speaker 2: behalf of I'm not really the guy I'm like taking 42 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 2: all the key, but I'm. 43 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 4: Not really the guy. 44 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 2: But he also, you know, he cops to a lot 45 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 2: in this interview, including this just very nihilistic view of effectively, well, 46 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:28,799 Speaker 2: these are all scams, and I'm just getting mine. And 47 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 2: if you're you're just pissed off because you're not an 48 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 2: insider and you're not the one who's getting cash in 49 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:34,800 Speaker 2: these meme. 50 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 4: Coin scam pumping them. 51 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 2: So I truly recommend you watch this entire interview if 52 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 2: you have any interest in this subject, because he really 53 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 2: does admit to the whole thing. Yes, he really does 54 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:46,799 Speaker 2: admit to the whole scheme in this interview with Coffee. 55 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:49,079 Speaker 3: Yeah, so let's get to actually that insider quote in 56 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 3: particular where Coffee still oppresses him on the structure of 57 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 3: all this. 58 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:52,800 Speaker 1: Let's take a listen. 59 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 5: The idea of insiders, to me is always bullshit because 60 00:02:57,480 --> 00:03:00,679 Speaker 5: every meme coin I've ever known, or vested in, or 61 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 5: been a part of, like the people that benefit are 62 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 5: the people that know like the people that benefit the 63 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:09,080 Speaker 5: most of the people that structure the deal. Similar to 64 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 5: any other business in the world, people that are closes 65 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 5: normally make the most money or lose the most money, 66 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:15,640 Speaker 5: one of the two. 67 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 6: So I don't. 68 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 4: I think that's a bit of bullshit. 69 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 5: And that's just like crypto people that are angry that 70 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 5: they're like, there's always an unfair there's an unfair advantage 71 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 5: if you're a genius on chain and you know how 72 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 5: to game the system on Meteora, and there's thirty guys 73 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 5: in the world that know how to do that better 74 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 5: than anybody, so it's like there's no. 75 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 6: Wa wait, there's unfair games. Right. There's people who know 76 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 6: everything about socks. 77 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 7: You can be Warren Buffett, but there's a difference between 78 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 7: being Warren Buffett and being a guy with insider knowledge 79 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 7: on like Pfizer pharmaceutical and trading on your insider knowledge. 80 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 7: So I think the frustration is people are frustrated that 81 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 7: not that you're good at trading, but that you knew something, 82 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 7: know what the public didn't know, and you trade it 83 00:03:56,800 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 7: on that information, which in the public markets it would 84 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 7: be illegal be insider trading. 85 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 5: Right, But on meme coins, A, it's not, and B 86 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 5: that's what happens on every single deal, I mean every 87 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 5: kol every single one globally. That's how their main money 88 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 5: gets made. They know about a deal, they agree to 89 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 5: a deal, and then they make money on the deal. 90 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:19,280 Speaker 3: So Kol is key opinion leader. I've had to learn 91 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 3: that from all of this crypto bullshit. And the thing 92 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 3: is about Hayden is he's one of the most honest 93 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:28,359 Speaker 3: brokers in this entire thing, in that he's an honest crook. 94 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 3: There are text messages and others that have come out 95 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:33,280 Speaker 3: from Hayden being like, Yeah, let's just pull it all. 96 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:36,160 Speaker 3: Let's pull as much as we can out of these idiots. 97 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:39,159 Speaker 3: And we were debating this before the show. I'm of 98 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 3: a couple of minds to be honest at this point, 99 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:44,040 Speaker 3: if you invest your money in a meme coin or 100 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:46,159 Speaker 3: a shit coin, I don't feel bad for you, and 101 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:48,279 Speaker 3: you're an idiot and you deserve to lose your money 102 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 3: because every single person who is involved in this should 103 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:54,279 Speaker 3: know at this point that the structure is always the same. 104 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:57,040 Speaker 3: You have insiders who hold like twenty to thirty percent 105 00:04:57,200 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 3: in this case, it was like eighty percent of the coins. 106 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:03,359 Speaker 3: Then Libra, you have some guy like Javier Malay do 107 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 3: the pumpin of the classic like, hey, guys, check this out. 108 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:09,160 Speaker 3: Here's the contract address, so you can all get involved. 109 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 3: And then the people who got in at the beginning, sell, 110 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:14,239 Speaker 3: not even necessarily at the top, but they sell once 111 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:16,599 Speaker 3: it's exploded. They take a tidy prophet and you're the 112 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:19,720 Speaker 3: person left holding the bag. But in general, the people 113 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:21,720 Speaker 3: who are doing this, from what I can tell based 114 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 3: on Portnoy and all the other Robin Hood bro day 115 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 3: traders and others, they're just trying to do that to 116 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 3: other people. They're just the ones who are caught before. 117 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:30,040 Speaker 3: They're the ones caught holding the bag because they were 118 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:33,119 Speaker 3: not insider or fast enough to be able to sell 119 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:36,279 Speaker 3: the contract. I think it's despicable and it's disgusting behavior 120 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 3: on the part of Hayden Davis, but the honesty behind 121 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 3: it is one which belies so much of American financial 122 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 3: life at this time that I have of heart. I 123 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 3: have a hard time at this point feeling bad for 124 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:48,600 Speaker 3: a single person that's involved. 125 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:51,719 Speaker 2: Well, but the thing is that you Hayden Davison's interview 126 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 2: was like, yeah, it's all a scam and only then 127 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 2: siders make money and that's the whole game. But that 128 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 2: is not the way that they portray these coins at 129 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 2: the time. I mean, there's a reason and why so 130 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 2: we've mentioned Portnoy, so Portnoy is brought into this. They 131 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 2: originally they told him about beforehand and gave him millions 132 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 2: of tokens in order to promote it. He gave back 133 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 2: the tokens, but he did buy in with his own money, 134 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:18,920 Speaker 2: and I think posted about it as well. And see, 135 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:21,840 Speaker 2: the thing is that they take advantage of the fact 136 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 2: that there is so little institutional trust and what people 137 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 2: have instead is these parasocial relationships with like trusted creators 138 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 2: and personalities. So they use these celebrity endorters to make 139 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:36,720 Speaker 2: it feel like, oh, well, Kim Kardashian or Deve Portnoy 140 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 2: or the freakin talk to a girl or who or 141 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 2: Javier Malay, the president of Argentina, who is an icon 142 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 2: for many of the like you know, libertarian right, including 143 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:49,719 Speaker 2: Elon Musselman that's running our government right now. 144 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:50,919 Speaker 4: Will they back it? 145 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 2: So it must be real, right When Javier Malay is 146 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 2: posting about this, he's not saying this is a scam 147 00:06:56,839 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 2: you know I'm getting mine, or you know the insiders 148 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 2: are getting He's saying, this is a phenomenal opportunity for 149 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 2: you to get wealthy and also for people to invest 150 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 2: in Argentina's small business creators. 151 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:08,919 Speaker 4: Blah, blah blah. 152 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 2: So people are getting lied to and they're getting taken 153 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 2: advantage of. And you know, it is the case that 154 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 2: whatever you have actually number one big technological transitions, which 155 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 2: is we're in the midst of and also break down 156 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 2: an institutional trust trust. It becomes a golden age of 157 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 2: scam artists. And we have never seen like in world history, 158 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 2: we have never seen scams on the size of what 159 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 2: these crypto mean coin rug poll scams are on a 160 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 2: routine basis. And one of the things that's important to 161 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 2: note here is that the same characters, some of the 162 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 2: same characters who are behind this crypto pump and dump 163 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 2: with the backing of Javier and Malay, we're also involved 164 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 2: with the Millennia coin launch, which also has lost plummeted 165 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 2: and lost the vast majority of its value, leaving almost 166 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 2: all of the retail that investors completely high and dry. 167 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 2: Coffee asked Hayden this question directly. He's reluctant to answer, 168 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 2: but ultimately he does answer. Let's take a listen to that. 169 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 7: A lot of people have linked you to the Millennia launch, 170 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 7: and that is a big question on everyone's mind, mine, 171 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 7: especially which is were you part of the Millennia launch 172 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 7: and was that sniped as well. 173 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 5: I mean, look, I think that I mean, I told you, 174 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 5: like beforehand this but before this started. I mean, I'm 175 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:44,439 Speaker 5: happy to share the truth, but uh, I mean, you're you're, you're, you're, 176 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 5: you're asking a question that's it's just I mean, I'll answer, 177 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 5: but it's uh, factually going to put me into a 178 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:58,079 Speaker 5: lot of danger, which is fine, I'll answer. I was 179 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:02,200 Speaker 5: part of it. I think the team did want to 180 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:04,840 Speaker 5: snipe it because of how big the snipe was on 181 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 5: Trump's and we weren't the We definitely weren't the big sniper. 182 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:17,079 Speaker 5: We were not. That was what we were trying to avoid. 183 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 5: And we didn't make any There was no money made 184 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 5: from the Malania team on any We didn't take any 185 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 5: liquidity out zero. 186 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 7: Okay, wow, that's shocking news. But I want to zoom 187 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 7: in on that point. We said, like, well, we didn't 188 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:43,960 Speaker 7: take any liquidity out. One of the wallets we traced 189 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 7: to the Portinoy thing, the Portannoy United thing, your wallet 190 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 7: or not, I don't know if it's your what Whoever's 191 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 7: wallet that was sent money to a wallet which had 192 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:57,320 Speaker 7: like got sent one point five million dollars of Malania 193 00:09:57,400 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 7: token from something called Milania Dash liquiditytwo dot sol and 194 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 7: then that while it seemed to sell Malania tokens that 195 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 7: it received for free. 196 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:12,440 Speaker 6: So you said, y'all didn't sell any liquidity, but I. 197 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 5: Didn't didn't didn't swap liquidity, didn't swap liquidity, didn't swap 198 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:19,679 Speaker 5: into single sided. I didn't say there was no there 199 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 5: was no money sold. There's a difference between swapping the 200 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 5: liquidity and selling liquidations. Those are two different things. 201 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 7: Okay, So y'all swapped, you didn't sell or the other 202 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 7: way around. 203 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 6: No other way around, other way around sold, you didn't swap. 204 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that dealed on. 205 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 1: What he's saying is a little bit lost with me. 206 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 2: I think that I was reading about there's a way 207 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 2: you can pull out just the cash and leave like 208 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 2: the token in which tries to to maintain the market 209 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 2: so that people don't see that you're just completely selling 210 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 2: out and tanking it. And I think he's saying we 211 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:56,200 Speaker 2: didn't do that when they're talking about sniping. So you 212 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 2: can imagine, if you know the coin is about to 213 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:01,960 Speaker 2: drop and nobody else knows, you buy it immediately, and 214 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 2: so at part of the other. So he admits not 215 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 2: only is involved with Milania and with Libra, the Javier 216 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 2: malay one, that he was part of this market manipulation 217 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 2: tactic of sniping, where you buy a bunch at the beginning, 218 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 2: you pump it up, and then what happened both with 219 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:20,080 Speaker 2: Milania and in the case of Libra is then once 220 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:23,559 Speaker 2: the market sort of hits the top, you start selling out. 221 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 4: The whole thing. 222 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 2: Crashes and that's what makes it a rug pole. Now 223 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:29,680 Speaker 2: he claims, Oh, we weren't the biggest snipers on Milania, 224 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 2: and we saw with Trump that there were all these 225 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:33,960 Speaker 2: people that got in that were market manipulation. So we 226 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:35,840 Speaker 2: didn't want, you know, we didn't want to be left 227 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:40,440 Speaker 2: out basically of the fun. So so he admits that 228 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 2: they engage in this market manipulation with the Millennia coin 229 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 2: and with the Libra coin, and it's just incredible wasting, 230 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 2: fraud and scams all around. 231 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 3: More on Trump that they admitted to the insider trading 232 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:54,559 Speaker 3: aspect of people being told at that crypto ball here 233 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 3: in Washington about some of that. 234 00:11:56,679 --> 00:11:57,439 Speaker 1: Let's take a listen. 235 00:11:57,679 --> 00:11:59,320 Speaker 6: You kind of were like, hey, people should think about 236 00:11:59,320 --> 00:11:59,720 Speaker 6: these things. 237 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 7: Should they think about from your perspective, like what what 238 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:02,959 Speaker 7: is going on on the inside. 239 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think the best one to look at, like 240 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:08,320 Speaker 5: from ah because I know, like like both money was 241 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 5: raised and the most amount of money was made was 242 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 5: on Trump. I think that's the best example, just being honest, 243 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 5: because you know that, right, you know that people were 244 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 5: able to buy in at five hundred million. 245 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 6: Yeah yeah yeah, like people snipe that coin too, you. 246 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 5: Mean no no, no, no, no, no, like at the 247 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:26,200 Speaker 5: when before it launched, at some private dinner that they 248 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 5: gave people special access to buying it. 249 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 6: What yeah yeah wait wait what yeah? 250 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 1: Yeah? 251 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 8: Yeah? 252 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 6: Who who get who gave that? Who? Who gave that? 253 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:41,080 Speaker 5: But that was that was I mean, that was what 254 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 5: I was told, Like there were people at a some 255 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 5: sort of crypto event in Washington, DC. 256 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 6: Uh if that's true, I don't know if that's true. 257 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:51,319 Speaker 6: But if that's true, that's I don't I told Okay. 258 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:52,960 Speaker 3: Okay, see that was the biggest one to me about 259 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 3: that five hundred million buy into the Trump shit coin. 260 00:12:55,600 --> 00:13:00,080 Speaker 3: That pube was posted immediately after Trump became president, leading 261 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 3: to the immediate sell off and all of that. 262 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 1: We don't have a ton of time because they have 263 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 1: a guest standing by. 264 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 3: But it's like I said, I certain point, I don't 265 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 3: feel bad for these people anymore, every single person involved, 266 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 3: from Portnoy to Hayden Davis to any of these others, 267 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 3: people who are buying in the seventy five thousand or 268 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:16,440 Speaker 3: so people who bought in. It's like, look, you guys 269 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 3: are trying to do a get rich quick stream and 270 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:20,720 Speaker 3: you got burned. It's like, well, you know, listen, idiots, 271 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 3: the path to wealth is out there. 272 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:24,200 Speaker 1: You can buy s and P five hundred. People don't 273 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 1: want to do that. They want to do single game 274 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:29,440 Speaker 1: parlays and do all of this. It's like, well, you 275 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 1: get what you deserve at a certain point. What's the point. 276 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:33,959 Speaker 4: Stupid people deserve protection too, soccer. 277 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 1: This is the capitalist country again. 278 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 2: But they're taking advantage of the trust that people have 279 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 2: in a Dave Portnoy, in a hobby or Malay in 280 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 2: these other creators and influencers. That's why they get these 281 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:50,319 Speaker 2: like twitch streamers and whatever to promote these things. They're 282 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 2: taking advantage of that trust and they're scamming people who 283 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 2: are ripping them off. And I think it should be illegal. 284 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:56,960 Speaker 2: I think it should be I think it's really wrong. 285 00:13:57,000 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 2: I think it should be completely I mean, these things 286 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 2: are just brazen pod these schemes. 287 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 4: I don't even understand how it is legal. 288 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 2: It is such an open pyramid scheme, that's all it is. 289 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 4: There is no value here. 290 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 2: It's just this imaginary bullshit thing pumped up by whatever 291 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:17,720 Speaker 2: influencer or President of the United States or First Lady 292 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 2: of the United States or president of Argentina. So I 293 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 2: find it just the whole thing to be so dystopian, 294 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 2: so grotesque, should be illegal, and I don't really understand 295 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 2: how it's not. But you know, like the people like 296 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 2: Hayden Davis, they're getting rich well. 297 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 1: On the presidents side, and I couldn't agree with you more. 298 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 3: Yeah. Look, this is what I don't get. I'm just 299 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 3: a silly YouTuber. Somebody came to me with a pump 300 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 3: and dumb cryptos game. Even if it was enough to retire, 301 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 3: I would never do it. It's like, dude, you're the 302 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:47,920 Speaker 3: president of Argentina. It's like, presumably you're gonna get filthy 303 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 3: rich off of this, right, especially with all of your connections. 304 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 4: Why well, what's the point we should say? For the lawyers. 305 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 2: He deleted his original post, and he claims he really 306 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:00,200 Speaker 2: didn't know, and he claims he didn't benefit from it, 307 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 2: But this president here certainly did know and did benefit 308 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 2: from it, etc. 309 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 3: Even if you take Marley's explanation at face value, considering 310 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 3: all of the recent just two month track record of Hawktua, Trump, 311 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 3: shit Coin, Milania and all of this, why would you 312 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 3: ever put your fingers on any of this stuff? Do 313 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 3: you have no judgment? Like up here it sounds like, 314 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 3: why do I have better judgment than you? 315 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 2: So my thing is how to expect ordinary people to 316 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 2: be more savvy about this than you know, the freaking 317 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 2: president of Argentina it was like a global celebrity now, 318 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 2: and these libertarians are I just. 319 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:33,960 Speaker 3: I don't know what to do in a society where 320 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 3: people are desperate to legalize get rich quick, Like we 321 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 3: were talking about sports betting, they want to be ripped off. 322 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:42,440 Speaker 3: That's what you Every single time that people use sports 323 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 3: betting app, you're going to lose in the long run. 324 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:46,520 Speaker 3: If you're a winner, they'll just ban you people. I 325 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 3: was just talking earlier today, Mark Cuban's got a new 326 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 3: credit card. 327 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 1: Out there, secured by your car equity. 328 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 3: Amazing, But thirty percent thirty percent APR people are signing 329 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 3: up left and right for key locks and balloon loans. 330 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 2: But the be sure with sports betting isn't to make 331 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 2: it more unregulated. The answer, as you laid out in 332 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 2: the big momologue you did, is to make it. 333 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 1: More They don't want that. Don't put the. 334 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:14,080 Speaker 2: Guardrails on and make sure that people are actually protected 335 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 2: so they're not losing their whole life savings and you know, 336 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:20,640 Speaker 2: killing themselves in the worst of circumstances or having their 337 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:23,480 Speaker 2: entire life ruined, et cetera. It's not to just be like, well, 338 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 2: let's a fair I guess, let's just let everybody get If. 339 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 3: You put it to the ballot box, it would pass 340 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 3: by eighty percent. To make it, they want to make 341 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 3: it even easier to place bets. They want to place 342 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:34,200 Speaker 3: bets on every play, every touch some people. 343 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 2: Yes, I'm not sure how it would fare at the 344 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 2: ballot box. I'm not sure about but is at least 345 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 2: somewhat regulated. This is you know, he's just admitting brazenly 346 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 2: like insider trading and manipulation or whatever. 347 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 4: I don't think he's going to face any legal trouble. 348 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 3: I actually do think it face legal trouble because he 349 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:57,800 Speaker 3: admitted to literal insider trading now under the current SEC 350 00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 3: regime and all of that exactly possible times. 351 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 2: And they're there is to let guys like this steal 352 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 2: your money. 353 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:04,960 Speaker 3: So they actually disagree because you're a crypto person. They're 354 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 3: the people, the real crypto insiders, the bigcoin ETF guys, 355 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:10,360 Speaker 3: the winkle Vine and all that. They hate these mean 356 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:12,400 Speaker 3: coin shit coins stop because it makes them look bad. 357 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 3: Because they want to they want more integration to the 358 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:16,240 Speaker 3: financially not. 359 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:19,240 Speaker 2: Really any different. I don't hate that's what Hayden Davis says. 360 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:21,640 Speaker 1: That's not true. He's talking about mean coins. 361 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:25,120 Speaker 2: We talked about bitcoins specifically in this interview as well. 362 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:28,679 Speaker 4: Just last notes before we wrap this up. 363 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:32,360 Speaker 2: Number one important Portnoy got paid his money back. 364 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:34,800 Speaker 1: Yes, that's right, I mean at least so you got 365 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:35,439 Speaker 1: that's screwed. 366 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:38,879 Speaker 2: But don't worry. Hayden Davis made sure to make Portnoy whole. 367 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:41,199 Speaker 2: And yes they did disclose it and his own the 368 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:44,160 Speaker 2: open but that is grotesque because Dave Portnoy has plenty 369 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:46,640 Speaker 2: of money. He's going to be just fine. But they 370 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 2: made sure to make him whole. 371 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 4: Okay. And then the other thing is that. 372 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:54,680 Speaker 2: Javier Malay is actually if they're looking at like impeachment 373 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 2: and charging him with corruption and fraud whatever, I don't 374 00:17:57,080 --> 00:17:58,440 Speaker 2: know if any of that goes anywhere. I have no 375 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:02,359 Speaker 2: idea that you know, argent justice system, et cetera. But 376 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 2: this has been a massive political scandal for him. I 377 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 2: don't think there's any doubt about it. Yeah, that was 378 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 2: a big problem for him because the very people who 379 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:13,119 Speaker 2: you know were hurt the most by this were the 380 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 2: biggest believers in him, and it's just such a brazen 381 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:18,879 Speaker 2: scam that Yeah, I think it is a genuine political 382 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:19,879 Speaker 2: problem for him in Argentine. 383 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 1: That is correct. 384 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 3: I looked this morning on how the Argentine Argentine press 385 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:24,560 Speaker 3: is covering it. 386 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:26,359 Speaker 1: But I have no idea. It's not like you have 387 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 1: the greatest track record in terms of their judicial system. 388 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 1: That's right though. 389 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:33,720 Speaker 3: About Portnoy, it's absolutely I mean, he disclosed it. He's like, hey, 390 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 3: he paid me back five million or whatever. But that 391 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 3: just gives you some insights. So listen, if you're out 392 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:41,200 Speaker 3: there and you're watching a Twitch stream and somebody's trying 393 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 3: to encourage you by coin, but I know nobody will listen. 394 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 3: What's the point. But you know what, joy shit coins 395 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:49,679 Speaker 3: and enjoy your single game parlays. Yeah, I'm gonna keep 396 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:51,240 Speaker 3: put my money in the S and P five hundred. 397 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 2: When the trumping launched, you saw something, Oh we're all 398 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 2: getting rich, blah blah blah, like people bought the Just don't, guys, 399 00:18:57,359 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 2: just don't. 400 00:18:58,560 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 4: Hayden Davis told you. 401 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:01,760 Speaker 2: The only people who make money or the insiders, they're 402 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:03,240 Speaker 2: just trying to fool you and rip you off. 403 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:05,200 Speaker 1: Please. Same with the sports gambling companies. 404 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:06,919 Speaker 3: The only people making money you're FanDuel and draft can 405 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:09,160 Speaker 3: here stock is up by chwe percent in the last 406 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:12,160 Speaker 3: month off the Super Bowl. Thanks for your coin, coinage money. 407 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:13,639 Speaker 3: That's the only thing that they're telling you. 408 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 2: Very fortunate to be joined this morning by April Verrett. 409 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 2: She's a president of the SEIU. They've been involved in 410 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 2: a number of actions against this current government and their 411 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 2: illegal behavior. 412 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:28,400 Speaker 4: Great to see you, April. Welcome, Thank you so much. 413 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:29,159 Speaker 9: Thanks for having me. 414 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, so we can put this first hair 415 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:32,720 Speaker 2: sheet up on the screen. I know you all have 416 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 2: been involved in some of the lawsuits about accessing data 417 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:41,720 Speaker 2: at Department of Labor, at AHHS, at CFPB, also at 418 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 2: the Treasury just talk to us a little bit about 419 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:48,119 Speaker 2: your thinking and your decision to get involved in these lawsuits. 420 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:52,879 Speaker 9: Yeah, you know, there has been such an extreme amount 421 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 9: of chaos and uncertainty since the inauguration on January twentieth, 422 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:00,880 Speaker 9: and working people have had enough, and so we were 423 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:04,359 Speaker 9: proud to lend our voice, along with others in the 424 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 9: labor movement and the progressive movement, to try to put 425 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:11,880 Speaker 9: a stop to this outrageous overreach. And we believe that 426 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:15,600 Speaker 9: what the so called DOGE is doing is highly illegal. 427 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 9: Going into personal data of folks is just unwarranted, unnecessary, 428 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 9: and we're happy to do our parts to put a 429 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 9: stop to it. 430 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, what are you hearing from your members because one 431 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 2: of the one of the debates that Zager and I've 432 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:32,640 Speaker 2: been having here is about how much this is landing 433 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 2: with working people since you know, Social Security hasn't been 434 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 2: cut yet, Medicaid hasn't been cut yet. We'll get to 435 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 2: more on that in a moment. Medicare hasn't been cut yet. 436 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:45,680 Speaker 2: So far, it's a huge spectacle. Is this giant power grab? 437 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:49,919 Speaker 2: But maybe it's not biting and hitting people's pocketbooks just yet. 438 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:51,879 Speaker 4: What is your sense from your membership? 439 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:54,359 Speaker 2: Of how engaged they are, how concerned they are, or 440 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:56,440 Speaker 2: do they feel like, oh, well, they're you know, making 441 00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:57,399 Speaker 2: the government more efficient. 442 00:20:57,400 --> 00:20:58,359 Speaker 4: Who wouldn't support that. 443 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 9: I don't know, knowing my Social Security number or yours, 444 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:07,919 Speaker 9: or having access to my tax returns or yours or 445 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 9: billions of other people in the country is making the 446 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 9: government more efficient. Not only that, we have folks who 447 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:21,159 Speaker 9: have filed complaints wage in our violation complaints against companies 448 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:25,679 Speaker 9: owned by Elon Musk, and that data lies inside of 449 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 9: the Department of Labor, and so for him to have 450 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:33,720 Speaker 9: access to everything, including information about folks who have filed 451 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:38,159 Speaker 9: complaints against him, hmm. I think American people, you know, 452 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:40,880 Speaker 9: have something to say about that. It just goes against 453 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:45,160 Speaker 9: the tenets of our democracy and just what's fair and right. 454 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:48,240 Speaker 2: So one of the things that I wanted to talk 455 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:51,360 Speaker 2: to you about is, you know, they've taken these actions 456 00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:55,480 Speaker 2: so quickly and made Elon Musk, I mean basically like 457 00:21:55,720 --> 00:22:00,359 Speaker 2: this sort of ceo dictator of the country, and they're 458 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:04,159 Speaker 2: betting on it all happening so fast that the system 459 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 2: can't really react. And you know, obviously Republicans in Congress 460 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:09,399 Speaker 2: have just sort of laid down they're just going to 461 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:12,480 Speaker 2: go along with it, see their own power to the executive. 462 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:16,240 Speaker 2: The Democrats in Congress seem to be struggling to figure out. 463 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:18,720 Speaker 4: What exactly they can do to deal with the situation. 464 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 2: So you're only really left with the court system, which 465 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 2: I know is why you got involved with these lawsuits. 466 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:27,880 Speaker 2: Have there been broader conversations though, between you and other 467 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:31,680 Speaker 2: labor leaders about maybe some more creative or more coordinated 468 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:35,880 Speaker 2: actions with the labor movement and the you know, all 469 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:39,359 Speaker 2: of the millions of union members that exist nationwide. 470 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:42,679 Speaker 9: Yeah, I think we have to remember this is I 471 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 9: lose count of the days, right, but there's certainly far 472 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:50,040 Speaker 9: more days ahead of us with this administration than we 473 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 9: have behind us, and so we have to pace ourselves. 474 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 9: This is going to be a marathon. It is absolutely 475 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:59,439 Speaker 9: not a sprint, and they seem to be throwing everything 476 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:02,920 Speaker 9: and the kitchen sink at us. But I expect there's 477 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:04,919 Speaker 9: going to be a lot more to come, and so 478 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:08,240 Speaker 9: it's important that we all take a deep breath, that 479 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:12,119 Speaker 9: we pace ourselves, that we are strategic as we possibly 480 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:17,200 Speaker 9: can be, that we choose the smart battles to wage, 481 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:21,199 Speaker 9: but that we have to stand up against what is 482 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:24,640 Speaker 9: un American and just not right. And so I think 483 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:27,800 Speaker 9: we will see in the coming weeks and months ahead 484 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:34,240 Speaker 9: a much more strategic, escalated, coordinated pushback not just from 485 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 9: the labor movement, but from all corners of the country, 486 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 9: where we seek to continue to build the power of 487 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 9: working people, to break this hold that this administration seems 488 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:50,640 Speaker 9: to have over our country, to bridge the gap between 489 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:52,879 Speaker 9: us and others who may not share all of our 490 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:56,879 Speaker 9: political beliefs, but wan a country right that actually is 491 00:23:56,920 --> 00:24:01,199 Speaker 9: one that has a vibrant and healthy democracy, and to 492 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 9: you know, and to begin to fix and heal I 493 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 9: think some of what's wrong in the country right now. 494 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 4: I know you also have been involved. 495 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 2: Your union's been involved in pushing back against looming Medicaid cuts. 496 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 2: We can put E two up on the screen. Your 497 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 2: Republicans are getting their sort of budget proposals together. Piece 498 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:21,120 Speaker 2: of that is a giant for jrillion dollar tax. 499 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:21,879 Speaker 4: Cut for the rich. 500 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 2: Another thing that is a major priority here from House 501 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 2: Republicans are cuts to Medicaid. According to The Hill, they 502 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 2: say they put that at the top of their list 503 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 2: of budget cuts to help pay for their wide ranging 504 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 2: agenda that spans tax cuts, Energy Production, and border security. 505 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,040 Speaker 2: Put the next one up on the screen to your 506 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:43,199 Speaker 2: point about some unlikely bedfellows. Here, Steve Bannon is actually 507 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 2: warning Republicans about this move. 508 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:46,440 Speaker 4: He says, Medicaid. 509 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:48,720 Speaker 2: You got to be careful because a lot of magas 510 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 2: are on Medicaid. I'm telling you. If you don't think so, 511 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:55,840 Speaker 2: you are dead wrong. So talk to us about some 512 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:57,680 Speaker 2: of the efforts to your union is making a push 513 00:24:57,720 --> 00:24:58,679 Speaker 2: back against these cuts. 514 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:04,200 Speaker 9: Yeah, so we have to know and remember eighty million 515 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:08,560 Speaker 9: Americans depend on Medicaid for their health care coverage in 516 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 9: this country. Most of those are children, half our children, 517 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:15,840 Speaker 9: and a lot of them are seniors. And so it 518 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:19,840 Speaker 9: is just incompatable to believe that we will take away 519 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:25,680 Speaker 9: health care access and coverage for the most vulnerable among us. 520 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:29,560 Speaker 9: And I don't ever say this, I think maybe the 521 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:32,960 Speaker 9: first time ever, but I agree with Steve Bannon. Medicaid 522 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,080 Speaker 9: is not a blue issue. It's not a red issue. 523 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 9: It's not right or left. It's American, and it's Americans 524 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 9: health care coverage. And so we know that Republicans and 525 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 9: Democrats alike depend on this program. Red states and blue states. 526 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:54,000 Speaker 9: Thirty percent of state budgets is Medicaid and health care 527 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:56,639 Speaker 9: related costs. And so if you make those types of 528 00:25:56,680 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 9: cuts so deep into state budgets, it doesn't just effect Medicaid, 529 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 9: it affects every single part of a state budget. And 530 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 9: so we need to raise our voices. We had over 531 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 9: three hundred people on Capitol Hill a couple of weeks 532 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:16,159 Speaker 9: ago lobbying Democrats and Republicans alike on this issue, because 533 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:19,399 Speaker 9: working people are not going to stand by and watch 534 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:22,200 Speaker 9: this type of devastation happen to our communities. 535 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:24,840 Speaker 2: Last question for you, April, what do you make of 536 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 2: some of the political trend towards Republicans among union members, 537 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:31,919 Speaker 2: and specifically towards Donald Trump, who's made a pretty concerted 538 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,119 Speaker 2: effort to appeal to some union members. 539 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:39,040 Speaker 9: Look, union members are regular, everyday people, right. We don't 540 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:42,880 Speaker 9: have a country without working people, and that includes folks 541 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:46,800 Speaker 9: who belongs to unions. And I believe that folks want 542 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:51,880 Speaker 9: lower prices, they want more control, more agency over their lives. 543 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 9: They want to know that they can take care of 544 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:56,000 Speaker 9: their families and keep a roof over their heads, and 545 00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 9: send their kids to college, and hey, maybe take a 546 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 9: vacation every once in a while while. And I believe 547 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:04,560 Speaker 9: that's what folks thought that they were voting for. But 548 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:08,760 Speaker 9: we are, you know, almost a month in and I 549 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 9: haven't seen the price of the eggs get any lower. 550 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:14,800 Speaker 9: I haven't seen people more certain about the stability of 551 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:18,280 Speaker 9: our country. All that I've seen is chaos and uncertainty. 552 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,119 Speaker 9: And so I think if they continue to do what 553 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:24,959 Speaker 9: they do, folks will know what the truth is, and 554 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,199 Speaker 9: that is that they voted for someone who is not 555 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,040 Speaker 9: really on the side of working people. It is clear 556 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,280 Speaker 9: he is on the side of his billionaire cronies and 557 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:36,520 Speaker 9: the corporations that they lead, and it's time for us 558 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,000 Speaker 9: to take our country back and make sure it's one 559 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:41,840 Speaker 9: where working people stand a chance to get ahead. 560 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:46,080 Speaker 2: April Vert, president of a Service Employees International Union. Great 561 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,120 Speaker 2: to have you, welcome, Thank you so much for joining us. 562 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:48,960 Speaker 9: Thank you. 563 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,040 Speaker 1: Joining us Now is front of the show, Ali Betstucky. 564 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:56,200 Speaker 3: She is the host of Relatable and it's great to 565 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:57,200 Speaker 3: see you. 566 00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:58,040 Speaker 8: Great to see you too. 567 00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,640 Speaker 3: Thank you all right, So Ali's here to horseshoe people 568 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:06,040 Speaker 3: into traditional values reacting, it seems to this Elon musk saga. 569 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 3: Let's put this up there on the screen for those 570 00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:12,440 Speaker 3: who have not yet seen the news Ashley Saint Clair. 571 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:15,600 Speaker 1: She's a conservative influencer. I guess you would call has. 572 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:19,080 Speaker 3: Had claimed now to have had Elon Musks thirteenth child 573 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 3: reveals she sat down for a tabloid interview here a 574 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:26,200 Speaker 3: life of secrecy after a whirlwild romance with a down 575 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:27,880 Speaker 3: to earth billionaire. 576 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:30,000 Speaker 1: What we learn a little bit more. 577 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,600 Speaker 3: From this entire saga is that there's been some disputes 578 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:37,880 Speaker 3: between miss Saint Clair between Elon Musk about paternity, it seems, 579 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:41,600 Speaker 3: in terms of his responsibility, and it spawned a lot 580 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:46,000 Speaker 3: of discussion online amongst the conservative intelligency. I guess over 581 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:50,120 Speaker 3: having a child out of wedlock, about these arrangements for 582 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,720 Speaker 3: her family and what is the ideal outcome if you 583 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 3: want to live a good and a happy life. So 584 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,800 Speaker 3: let's put her statement here where she says, five months ago, 585 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,560 Speaker 3: I welcomed a new baby into the world, Unmuscus, the 586 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:02,840 Speaker 3: father of not Previously you disclosed this to protect our 587 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,440 Speaker 3: child's safety and privacy, But in recent days has become 588 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:08,400 Speaker 3: clear the tabloid media intends to do so, regardless of 589 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:10,400 Speaker 3: the harm it will cause. Initially, she was saying there 590 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,240 Speaker 3: it's a tabloid story. However, she did participate later in 591 00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:15,960 Speaker 3: that report from the New York Post. So, Ali, what 592 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 3: do you make of all this as participating in the discourse? 593 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,200 Speaker 8: Yes, okay, So when I saw this news, I was 594 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:25,400 Speaker 8: so shocked by it. I literally woke my husband up 595 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:28,640 Speaker 8: out of his slumber, and he didn't. He was like delirious. 596 00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:31,480 Speaker 8: He was like, I think I'm dreaming. There's no way 597 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:34,400 Speaker 8: that you're telling the truth. And as it started unraveling 598 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:36,480 Speaker 8: and we were digging more into it, we realized it 599 00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:38,960 Speaker 8: is very much true. And I have a lot of 600 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:42,440 Speaker 8: conflicting feelings about it. I mean, I know exactly where 601 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 8: I stand when it comes to marriage and children and families, 602 00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:50,400 Speaker 8: formation of families. We need not just more babies, we 603 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:54,320 Speaker 8: need actually stable families for society to survive and thrive. 604 00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 8: And so I know Elon Musk is a part of this, 605 00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:01,880 Speaker 8: like desire to repopulate the earth, like Genghis Khan. I 606 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 8: think he's even said something like that before. Yeah, but 607 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:08,160 Speaker 8: we don't just need more babies, we need more stability. 608 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 8: And from my understanding, this was the intentional creation of 609 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:16,880 Speaker 8: a child that they knew was not going to have 610 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:21,840 Speaker 8: a stable to parent home. And because of that, I 611 00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:25,640 Speaker 8: couldn't participate in the celebration and the congratulation. It's not 612 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,280 Speaker 8: that I think that the baby is it valuable. Of course, 613 00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,640 Speaker 8: the baby is so worthy of love and celebration and 614 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,719 Speaker 8: all of that. Absolutely, but this seems to be a 615 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:40,680 Speaker 8: very sordid and purposeful situation, and I just don't think 616 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:44,680 Speaker 8: that I can publicly be a part of celebrating. 617 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:46,280 Speaker 2: That well, and part of you know, we had a 618 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:50,400 Speaker 2: debate internally that I don't think zacher My may revealing. 619 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,440 Speaker 4: Of like should we cover this because it is does feel. 620 00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:55,000 Speaker 2: Like, you know, it's like it's tragy, it's like, you know, 621 00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:57,880 Speaker 2: it's very personal, all those sorts of things. But to 622 00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,760 Speaker 2: your point, first of all, Elon Musk is one of 623 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:02,800 Speaker 2: the most powerful people on the planet at this point. 624 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:05,040 Speaker 4: And number two, to your point. 625 00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:08,719 Speaker 2: It does speak to this like ideology that he has, 626 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,280 Speaker 2: so I think it is important to dig into it, 627 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:13,320 Speaker 2: not to mention. I think the legitimate points people have 628 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:15,400 Speaker 2: made of like if this was Barack Obama, people would 629 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,000 Speaker 2: certainly be covering it totally. But what did you make 630 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:21,440 Speaker 2: of some of the response from the right that was like, oh, 631 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:26,640 Speaker 2: she's winning it life, She's secured wealth and good genetics 632 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:29,640 Speaker 2: for her baby. That one makes me very very uncomfortable 633 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:33,160 Speaker 2: when you start talking in this language of like genetics 634 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,920 Speaker 2: and that that should be the sole goal of procreation, 635 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 2: is having like the perfect baby with the perfect genetics. 636 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:40,560 Speaker 2: Obviously that's a dark road to go down. What did 637 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:41,840 Speaker 2: you make of some of that reaction? 638 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 8: Yeah, because there were some different motivations behind the celebration. 639 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:48,520 Speaker 8: So I have a lot of pro life, very solid, 640 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:52,640 Speaker 8: socially conservative friends who congratulated, and we might disagree on that, 641 00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,880 Speaker 8: but I do not doubt there since your values. They 642 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:59,880 Speaker 8: see it as I'm just celebrating the existence of a baby, 643 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:01,960 Speaker 8: and that's all they're doing. But then there were those 644 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,880 Speaker 8: like you said that were like, who cares, The world 645 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,560 Speaker 8: needs more babies. This is a good thing. We need 646 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,360 Speaker 8: more based babies. I saw something like that, and so 647 00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,040 Speaker 8: we should just be happy for them. But clearly this 648 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:16,240 Speaker 8: is not a happy situation. That's first of all. We 649 00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:18,640 Speaker 8: can see that. We can see that from Ashley's responses, 650 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:23,840 Speaker 8: some of them she deleted. This is actually a very sad, complicated, 651 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:27,800 Speaker 8: messy situation, and this little helpless child who didn't consent 652 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:29,520 Speaker 8: to any of this is right at the center of it. 653 00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:31,360 Speaker 8: So I think we should actually be sad that this 654 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,160 Speaker 8: whole thing happened. But then also when we look at 655 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,480 Speaker 8: the conservative values of the right, you made a really 656 00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:38,680 Speaker 8: good point. If this had been Barack Obama or a 657 00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:42,280 Speaker 8: number of other kinds of people, no one would be celebrating. 658 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:46,840 Speaker 8: We would be calling it degenerate behavior, irresponsible, the problem 659 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,760 Speaker 8: with society, part of the breakdown of society and the 660 00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:52,720 Speaker 8: breakdown of the family. But baby Mama, culture, I guess 661 00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:54,960 Speaker 8: is okay when it's Elon Musk, and I just can't 662 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:55,800 Speaker 8: get on board with that. 663 00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:58,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, you're absolutely right, and you know, to your point, 664 00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,760 Speaker 3: this is deeply void and sad. So let's put this 665 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:03,959 Speaker 3: up there on the screen. You know what you were 666 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,280 Speaker 3: talking about. For some of their back and the forth, 667 00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:08,320 Speaker 3: you can see here, she says. Elon, We've been trying 668 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:10,720 Speaker 3: to communicate for the past several days. You have not responded. 669 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:12,840 Speaker 3: When are you trying to going to reply to us 670 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,640 Speaker 3: instead of publicly responding to smears from an individual who 671 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:18,240 Speaker 3: just posted photos of me in my underwear at age 672 00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:22,080 Speaker 3: fifteen years old? Like you said, she eventually deleted it. 673 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:24,960 Speaker 3: But this is not a happy situation, and so I guess, 674 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:29,480 Speaker 3: like bringing it back in terms of how we should 675 00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:33,080 Speaker 3: all look at this arrangement, the eventual sad outcome where 676 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:36,720 Speaker 3: you have bickering online while yes there's an innocent child 677 00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:39,520 Speaker 3: in the midst of all of this, and what the 678 00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:43,600 Speaker 3: cultural takeaway should be in terms of celebration and or 679 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:46,280 Speaker 3: using it as a lesson for everybody out there for 680 00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:47,520 Speaker 3: their personal lives. 681 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:52,440 Speaker 8: Yes, well, I think that it is an interesting picture 682 00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:56,240 Speaker 8: at what the right is now, what the Republican Party 683 00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:58,719 Speaker 8: is now, And we knew that when we kind of 684 00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,480 Speaker 8: grabbed on to the MA movement, which includes a lot 685 00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:03,920 Speaker 8: of amazing people that I agree with in a lot 686 00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:07,520 Speaker 8: of ways, but who are also very socially liberal or moderate, 687 00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:11,240 Speaker 8: we kind of rearranged the right to be a conglomeration 688 00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:14,240 Speaker 8: of all different types of fundamental values, Like we agree 689 00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:17,400 Speaker 8: on important things that want us an election, but we 690 00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:19,880 Speaker 8: never got down to the basics. I mean, we disagree 691 00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:23,480 Speaker 8: on fundamental things like the definition of marriage when life begins, 692 00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:27,560 Speaker 8: the sanctity of life, if marriage is even necessary obviously, 693 00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,600 Speaker 8: and so in some ways I think these debates are productive. 694 00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,040 Speaker 8: I see my role in others like me to be 695 00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:36,160 Speaker 8: an anchor on the right to move the overton window 696 00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:39,800 Speaker 8: as much as I can, and to hopefully show people 697 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,960 Speaker 8: that it's not just about having traditional or old values 698 00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:46,600 Speaker 8: but doing what works. If we really want society to win, 699 00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,440 Speaker 8: if we want America to be first, we have to 700 00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:53,160 Speaker 8: have a stable family unit. And we also have to know, 701 00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:55,319 Speaker 8: in my opinion, where all of that comes from, which 702 00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:58,279 Speaker 8: is from a creator who created objective, universal morality and 703 00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:01,160 Speaker 8: all of that. I'm a Christian where I stand, but 704 00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:04,080 Speaker 8: at the very least just looking at it pragmatically, this 705 00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:06,720 Speaker 8: kind of stowing your wild oats when you're a fifty 706 00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,239 Speaker 8: three year old going after I don't want to say 707 00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:11,799 Speaker 8: going after, but being in a relationship. I guess with 708 00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,920 Speaker 8: the twenty six year old conservative commentator, it's just not 709 00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:17,960 Speaker 8: the way to go. If everyone did that, If everyone 710 00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:20,399 Speaker 8: did that, then we would all be at a world 711 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:22,799 Speaker 8: of her. It would all be a mess. So maybe 712 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:24,920 Speaker 8: we should think about what is best not just for 713 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:28,279 Speaker 8: us in the moment, but for society in general as well. 714 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,960 Speaker 8: It's interesting you bring up Mahan Rfk Junior because my 715 00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:33,799 Speaker 8: husband woke me up in the middle of the night 716 00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:38,399 Speaker 8: when the Olivia Nuzzy Rfk Junior affair came out, And 717 00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:40,200 Speaker 8: you know, I mean one of the questions I have 718 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:43,480 Speaker 8: for you is like, has this ship sailed in a 719 00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,560 Speaker 8: sense when well, Trump himself is how many times divorced 720 00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,520 Speaker 8: and kids with all these different you know women, and R. K. 721 00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:54,080 Speaker 8: Junior is by his own admission, serial philander. You know, 722 00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:56,400 Speaker 8: the history with him and his ex wife who was 723 00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:58,880 Speaker 8: now deceased is deeply dark and horrifying. 724 00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:01,799 Speaker 2: You know, has that ship sort of sailed? And I'm 725 00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,879 Speaker 2: not saying those things were celebrated in the same way. 726 00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,760 Speaker 2: I think that's part of what's different about this particular dynamic. 727 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:11,960 Speaker 2: But was the road laid out by celebrating certainly those individuals, 728 00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:15,400 Speaker 2: even if those particular choices were not part of what 729 00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:17,319 Speaker 2: was inherently celebrated. 730 00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:20,000 Speaker 8: Yeah, I think that's a fair question. But then you 731 00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:25,480 Speaker 8: also have JD. Vance, who I think is being heralded 732 00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:28,759 Speaker 8: as a hero rightly by a lot of conservatives, not 733 00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,320 Speaker 8: only because he's just so strong and he's not afraid 734 00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:35,040 Speaker 8: to say the truth, but also because of his clear 735 00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:38,440 Speaker 8: family values, because he is so insanely normal, and it 736 00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:40,600 Speaker 8: feels like a really long time that we've had a 737 00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:44,000 Speaker 8: normal young family in the White House or you know, 738 00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:49,240 Speaker 8: in d C. And so I think that really Trump 739 00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:53,719 Speaker 8: and Elon Musk and RFK they were simply seen as 740 00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:57,280 Speaker 8: the people who could get it done. And I still 741 00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:00,160 Speaker 8: have hope that those who have come over to the 742 00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,360 Speaker 8: right and who have changed a lot of their values 743 00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:05,560 Speaker 8: over the past few years, that they can still change 744 00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:09,000 Speaker 8: their values even more to come even further over, because 745 00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:12,240 Speaker 8: I hear from a lot of these very influential Mahak 746 00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:14,799 Speaker 8: people who tell me privately, you know, I used to 747 00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:18,279 Speaker 8: be ardently pro choice, and now I'm rethinking that. So 748 00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:21,360 Speaker 8: I think that there's an opportunity, and I think instead 749 00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,319 Speaker 8: of compromising those of us on the social right over there, 750 00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:25,839 Speaker 8: we really have to hold the line and be as 751 00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:27,040 Speaker 8: persuasive as possible. 752 00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:29,919 Speaker 2: Ali last question I have for you is how does 753 00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:32,520 Speaker 2: this fit in? Like I feel like, you know, with 754 00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:37,560 Speaker 2: Trump and with Elon and with RFK Junior, there's like 755 00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:40,600 Speaker 2: a nexus with sort of like the Andrew Tait version 756 00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:44,560 Speaker 2: of masculinity, where you know, philandering and you. 757 00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:46,240 Speaker 4: Know, getting a lot of women and having. 758 00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:47,759 Speaker 2: Like basically a hair like this is sort of like 759 00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:51,080 Speaker 2: celebrated as that's part of what makes you an alpha male. 760 00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:53,719 Speaker 2: The Trump administration is now trying to pressure Romania to, like, 761 00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:55,239 Speaker 2: you know, I don't want to get into that whole thing, 762 00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:57,880 Speaker 2: but let the Tate brothers off the hook, et cetera. Like, 763 00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:00,520 Speaker 2: how do you Because I think that's part of what 764 00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:02,520 Speaker 2: is intension with the direction you want to push the 765 00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:05,799 Speaker 2: party in. Is that part of that definition of being 766 00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:09,120 Speaker 2: an alpha and being a male has come along with 767 00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:12,279 Speaker 2: that view and that approach to women and parenting, etc. 768 00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:17,480 Speaker 8: Yes, so part of it is true this kind of masculinity. 769 00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:21,439 Speaker 8: Being tough is masculine. Saying what is true while being 770 00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:24,799 Speaker 8: unafraid to do so is masculine. Being strong. All of 771 00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:29,040 Speaker 8: those things are masculine. But what I think is, like 772 00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:31,719 Speaker 8: maybe piauk masculinity or one of the key parts of 773 00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:35,120 Speaker 8: masculinity is self control. And when we have someone like 774 00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:38,480 Speaker 8: Andrew Tage who can't even master himself and yet he 775 00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:42,280 Speaker 8: is talking about conquering the world by impregnating a bunch 776 00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:46,520 Speaker 8: of women, yeah, I mean every loser forever has done that. 777 00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:49,920 Speaker 8: But if you can't even control yourself and your own 778 00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:53,200 Speaker 8: based passions, then you really know better than an animal. 779 00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:56,960 Speaker 8: So I understand why parts of Andrew Tate are like, wow, 780 00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:00,760 Speaker 8: he's really unafraid to speak against feminism. But of course, 781 00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:04,000 Speaker 8: I mean he is no better than any you know, 782 00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:07,600 Speaker 8: degenerate that has ever lived, and I do really I'm 783 00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:14,120 Speaker 8: very troubled and very worried about the lionization of someone 784 00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:16,920 Speaker 8: like Andrew Tait on the right. I see that even 785 00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:20,200 Speaker 8: growing now, and yeah, that greatly concerns me. 786 00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:22,600 Speaker 3: Well, Ali, I respect you so much. I think you're 787 00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,120 Speaker 3: so consistent, and I just always enjoy talking like you. 788 00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:27,360 Speaker 3: So I really hope that you come back to the show. 789 00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:29,480 Speaker 3: And it's been just been great hearing your perspective. 790 00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:31,080 Speaker 8: Thank you, thank you so much. 791 00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:32,680 Speaker 1: Thank you guys so much for watching. 792 00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:48,240 Speaker 3: We appreciate you, and we'll see you all on Thursday.