1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,280 Speaker 1: So let's get more on the passing of Queen Elizabeth 2 00:00:02,320 --> 00:00:05,120 Speaker 1: the Second at the age of ninety six with Cyndy McCreary, 3 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:08,320 Speaker 1: University of Sydney, Senior Lecturer. She is an expert on 4 00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:11,080 Speaker 1: the history of the royal family. Cindy, I think we 5 00:00:11,119 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 1: all knew that one day this day would happen, and 6 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:16,159 Speaker 1: she has been the monarch for for seventy years, but 7 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:18,759 Speaker 1: perhaps a shock to many even at the age of 8 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 1: ninety six, and the outpouring really just showing how globally 9 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 1: loved the Queen was absolutely Juliette and good morning to 10 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 1: you and Brian. This is a remarkable event. We can 11 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 1: think that just two days ago to where we saw 12 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 1: photographs of the Queen Apple Moral smiling as she welcomed 13 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:39,839 Speaker 1: and formally um kissed tans as they say, with the 14 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:41,879 Speaker 1: new British Prime Minister at Liz Trust, and then two 15 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 1: days later her untimely passing. I think we need to 16 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 1: also reflect on the difference that people will feel at 17 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 1: this passing compared to say that of Diana. Last week 18 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 1: we acknowledged the twenty anniversary of the death of Diana, 19 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 1: which I think many people will remember at a time 20 00:00:56,840 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 1: of great mass hysterian outpouring a very public emotion. I 21 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 1: think this will take us perhaps more by surprise that 22 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 1: the initial response will be quieter but no less profound. 23 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:08,119 Speaker 1: And I think in the weeks, months, and years ahead, 24 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 1: most people on this planet will pause at some point 25 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 1: to reflect, this is the only monarch that most of 26 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:15,919 Speaker 1: us have ever known, that that really this is uncharted 27 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:19,399 Speaker 1: territory for most of us going forward, Britain can be 28 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 1: a tough place. But as Juliette suggested, and as you added, 29 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 1: that she was quite beloved. The former Prime Minister John 30 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 1: Major actually told the BBC earlier that Queen Elizabeth was 31 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 1: an almost flawless figure. And I guess by that I 32 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 1: mean other than the Princess Diana controversy, we can't find 33 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:42,959 Speaker 1: too many other areas where she really attracted much criticism. 34 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 1: Let's right, and I think it is a remarkable legacy, 35 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 1: given that at the same time she was also the 36 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 1: longest serving British monarch, so to have that kind of 37 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 1: track track record over seventy years of service is remarkable. 38 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 1: I would add, however, Brian, that we need to remember 39 00:01:56,480 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 1: that as the monarch, the Queen was deliberately protected from 40 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 1: any sort of touch of scandal that at times engulfed 41 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 1: other members of the Wyal family, and even for example, 42 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 1: the recent controversy over Prince Andrew, the Queen kind of 43 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:11,399 Speaker 1: somewhat remarkably perhaps has really kept out of that, even 44 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 1: though she clearly gave her son's support. So I think 45 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 1: that the Queen's legacy is remarkable both because of her 46 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 1: own actions and new discipline, but also because as sovereign 47 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 1: she has been, if you like, protected and shielded to 48 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 1: an extent from the kind of public intrusiveness that other 49 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:28,920 Speaker 1: world members of the family have had to encounter and 50 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 1: deal with. There's quite a lot that needs to happen 51 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:34,919 Speaker 1: in the handover to her son, King Jails the third, 52 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 1: who is going to become the oldest person to exceed 53 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 1: the throne at age seventy three. Just talk us through 54 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 1: some of I guess the ceremony that we're expecting because 55 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 1: it also impacts other Commonwealth nations as well, sinks Sage. 56 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 1: Yet is that this is of course, is a very 57 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:53,399 Speaker 1: well planned operation. It's even got a code name Operation 58 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 1: London Bridge, and has been planned um for really years 59 00:02:56,600 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 1: at not decades. So what we'll see in the next 60 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:01,960 Speaker 1: few days and weeks has been actors and rehearsed for 61 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 1: quite some time. UM, and there's really a very clear 62 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:08,960 Speaker 1: cut set of protocol and ceremonies that will will take place. 63 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:13,240 Speaker 1: We'll see the removal of the Queen's body coffin on 64 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 1: a train to London. It will line stay, as we know, 65 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 1: in Westminster Hall for four days before a funeral in 66 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:21,799 Speaker 1: about two weeks time at Westminster Abbey, before she is 67 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:24,399 Speaker 1: laid to rest, not in Westernster Abbey, but in St 68 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 1: George's Chapel, Windsor, which is the resting place of her 69 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:30,400 Speaker 1: late husband, Prince Philip and for many own members of 70 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 1: her family. UM. That is all very well choreograb to. 71 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 1: We know what to expect. I think what's less certain 72 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 1: is the reception that King Charles will face, not not 73 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 1: in the immediate afterma of his mother's desk, where I 74 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 1: think there's indeed global support for him, but in the 75 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 1: years ahead. I think that Charles and his wife Camilla 76 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 1: do will in fact be haunted still by the memory, 77 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 1: not so much of it Elizabeth, but of Diana. And 78 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 1: I think that the difficult relationship with Harry is another 79 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 1: area where Charles and Camilla will have to trade very carefully. 80 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 1: But for now is the next next few weeks expect 81 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 1: to see, really I think a quite polished performance of 82 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 1: British World Protocol. Yeah, I'm interested in the crossover between 83 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 1: politics and protocol when you're talking about the global response. Um. 84 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 1: First of all, who gets invited that comes from from 85 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:20,719 Speaker 1: from the royal family and from the government. But then 86 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:24,599 Speaker 1: like for instance, does Vladimir Putin get invited? U hijin ping? 87 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:27,839 Speaker 1: And then you know, I'm I'm interested in your thoughts 88 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 1: on who would come versus who would be brave enough 89 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 1: to stay away. I think that you'll see many, many 90 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:38,920 Speaker 1: invitations extended. I don't think it would include Putin. Uh. 91 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:40,719 Speaker 1: In fact, I'm away certain that would not be the case. 92 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:43,360 Speaker 1: I would think that a lot of Minzelenski would be invited, 93 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:45,279 Speaker 1: though I doubt that he could take up that invitation. 94 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:48,280 Speaker 1: But I think you'll find that actually many more people 95 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 1: would come then would stay away. Um speaking to you 96 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:54,719 Speaker 1: from Australia as I am a country where the new government, 97 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 1: as as signaled in May when it took office, that 98 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:01,720 Speaker 1: it plans at some point in the future two move 99 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:05,720 Speaker 1: for Australia to have another referendum on becoming a republic Um. 100 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 1: Even here, I think you'll see a great deal of 101 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:11,040 Speaker 1: respect for the Queen and a great deal of section 102 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 1: for her. So I think politics will not come into 103 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:17,280 Speaker 1: play with the sort of events surrounding her funeral, with 104 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:21,480 Speaker 1: I should say, perhaps the exception of Russia. I think 105 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 1: that's an interesting point because in I think nine it 106 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 1: was Australia had that referendum as to whether it would 107 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 1: break away from the monarchy, and uh, they elected to stay. 108 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 1: But there are a lot of Australians that don't see 109 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:35,559 Speaker 1: the point of having the royals as their head of state. 110 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 1: Yet she was still loved. What kind of movement are 111 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 1: you seeing in terms of admiration there in Australia, And 112 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 1: I guess talk about the young people that may have 113 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:48,160 Speaker 1: never seen the Queen on Australian soil. That's right. I mean, 114 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:50,720 Speaker 1: I think it's a really complex relationship here in Australia. Juliet, 115 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 1: You're right, um. The Australia of two is a very 116 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:56,279 Speaker 1: different country from the Australia of nineteen fifty four, which 117 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 1: welcomed the Queen and Prince Philip on their first World tour. 118 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:01,359 Speaker 1: At that point, Australa was still very much an Anglo 119 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:05,280 Speaker 1: Celtic nation. Other than indigenous Australians and majorid the population 120 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 1: had an Anglo Celtic background. That's not true today. Today 121 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 1: Australia is an Asian nation. More Australians have Asian heritage 122 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 1: um and have no particular reason to have interested in 123 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 1: learn known affection for the British monarchy. But having said 124 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:19,719 Speaker 1: all that, the Queen herself I think is widely respected 125 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:23,360 Speaker 1: in Australia as two I think Diana was, and that 126 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 1: today I think is a moment for reflection, for compassion 127 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:29,599 Speaker 1: and for Greece. But looking ahead, I think that the 128 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:32,839 Speaker 1: referendum on a republic will be restarted. But again the 129 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 1: challenge that we faced in hasn't gone away. In other words, 130 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 1: it's not just about replacing a monarchy with a Republican 131 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 1: in Australia is the issue how we choose our next 132 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:43,600 Speaker 1: head of state, how would a president be elected or appointed? 133 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 1: And that's really I think why the referendum referendum came unstuck, 134 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 1: And at the moment, I think there's still controversy about 135 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 1: whether or not the current proposal actually would be something 136 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 1: that most Australians would agree with so, I think that's 137 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 1: still a question. It's not just about ditching the monarchy. 138 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 1: It's about how we would choose the next tense of day, 139 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 1: just briefly, in twenty seconds overall, do you expect the 140 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:06,360 Speaker 1: profile of the royal family to receive a little bit now? 141 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 1: I think it's a very tense time and a great 142 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 1: challenge awaits King Charles. There's an immediate support for the 143 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 1: royal family and sympathy and grief, but I think that 144 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 1: Charles and Camilla do face a very difficult road ahead. 145 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 1: All right, Cindy, thank you. Cindey McCreary, University of Sydney, 146 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:27,680 Speaker 1: Senior lecturer, joining us from Sydney on the passing of 147 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 1: Queen Elizabeth the Second, who has died aged ninety six.