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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Bloomberg Law Podcast. I'm June Grosso. Every

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Speaker 1: day we bring you insight and analysis into the most

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Speaker 1: important legal news of the day. You can find more

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Speaker 1: and on Bloomberg dot com slash Podcasts. Now, turning to

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Speaker 1: the A T and T Time Warner deal, Federal Judge

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Speaker 1: proposed billion dollar acquisition of Time Warner, a decision that

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Speaker 1: could lead to much more consolidation in the media sector.

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Speaker 1: Just after the decision was announced, A T and T

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Speaker 1: s lead lawyer Daniel Petrocelli addressed the media. I've been

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Speaker 1: asked by many people, what is the significance of this

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Speaker 1: You know, my answer to that is that each and

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Speaker 1: every one of these transactions stands on its own, as

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Speaker 1: this one did. Joining us is Marianne Halford, global Media

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Speaker 1: do you agree with Petrocelli or will consolidation accelerate and

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Speaker 1: big media grow bigger? Well? I agree on both fronts. Um.

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Speaker 1: I think each deal will be looked at on its own.

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Speaker 1: But I think this has been an awesome month. It

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Speaker 1: telco communications operator because the world is now open for

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Speaker 1: vertical integration in in a way that I think is

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Speaker 1: fairly significant. UM. Needless to say, we know Comcast will

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Speaker 1: be issuing its formal bid either today or tomorrow. Many

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Speaker 1: these valuable mediasets is the fact that net neutrality is

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Speaker 1: is fading away. At the same time, the media companies

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Speaker 1: all know that they need to go direct to consumer. Um.

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Speaker 1: coming months. Marianne, what do you think are the chances

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Speaker 1: that the Justice Department will appeal this ruling? You know,

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Speaker 1: director and acting cfp B chief Mick mulvaney told reporters

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Speaker 1: Protection Agency. Speaking with Bloomberg earlier this year, mulvaney said

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Speaker 1: that the head of the CFPB, no matter who it is,

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Speaker 1: by phone for more on this story, and Jesse, some

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