1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:01,960 Speaker 1: High Betrayal family. It's Andrea Gunning. 2 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:04,960 Speaker 2: I want to introduce you to a new weekly true 3 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:08,320 Speaker 2: crime show that our team at Glass podcast has just launched. 4 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:12,080 Speaker 2: It's called American Homicide and is hosted and produced by 5 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:13,240 Speaker 2: my colleague Sloane. 6 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 1: Glass, who I have here today. 7 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:17,040 Speaker 3: Hi Sloan, Hi Andrea. 8 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 1: You guys may not know this, but Sloane worked on 9 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 1: season two of Betrayals, so she's very close to the 10 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:26,760 Speaker 1: Betrayal team. 11 00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 4: Yeah. 12 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 3: It feels very close to my heart. I mean the 13 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 3: highlight for me working on Betrayal was interviewing Aveya for 14 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 3: the show. I'd admired her for a long time as 15 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:42,280 Speaker 3: a listener and then getting the opportunity to sit down 16 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 3: with her that felt so special. 17 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 2: You know, I think you guys did an incredible job 18 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:52,520 Speaker 2: and they were in great hands with you. And I'm 19 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 2: so curious what made you want to take on a 20 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 2: project like American Homicide. 21 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 3: What I really love about America and Homicide is how 22 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:04,560 Speaker 3: immersive it is. It's not just a retelling. It's a 23 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:11,040 Speaker 3: re examination of infamous true crime stories through first hand accounts. 24 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 3: You are hearing from law enforcement, who is behind the investigations. 25 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 3: You are hearing from lawyers, you are hearing from judges, 26 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 3: you are hearing from victims and their friends and family. 27 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:28,040 Speaker 3: And I think what makes it so significant and special 28 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 3: really plays off of when you are covering a story. 29 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:35,120 Speaker 3: It can be the same crime in a different location 30 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:38,959 Speaker 3: and it will have a totally different impact depending on 31 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 3: the community. I learned this as a local news reporter 32 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:45,480 Speaker 3: and later as a national news reporter, that you are 33 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 3: dealing with very different circumstances wherever you are in the country. 34 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 3: When a crime takes place in let's say a small town. 35 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 3: What comes to mind for me in my personal experience 36 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 3: as a journalist, I think of in Delphi, Indiana, there 37 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 3: was a case that had gone cold for six years, 38 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 3: two girls had been killed, and it was a town 39 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 3: of thirteen hundred people. That's different from when a crime 40 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 3: like that happens in a city. The first story that 41 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 3: we have in American homicide, it made me feel that 42 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 3: same way. 43 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:21,680 Speaker 2: So on the feed, we're sharing an episode of American 44 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 2: homicide called The Father's Day Murders. Can you tell us 45 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:28,960 Speaker 2: a little bit about what happens? The episode is called 46 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:32,079 Speaker 2: The Father's Day Murders. Now you just have to imagine 47 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:34,799 Speaker 2: it's Father's Day. You go to your parents' house for dinner, 48 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 2: You open the door and you find your mom, dad, 49 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 2: and brother beatn to death. And that's what happened to 50 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:44,079 Speaker 2: a woman in the small town of l Rancho, New Mexico. 51 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:47,800 Speaker 2: The main suspect for a substantial amount of time was 52 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 2: the daughter who had found her family. 53 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 3: It just leaves you wondering what was going on here. 54 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 3: Someone must know something. 55 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:57,639 Speaker 1: And they're in the community, and they're in. 56 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 3: The community, and this is a woman who had to 57 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 3: fight to find answers to what exactly happened to her family, 58 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:08,079 Speaker 3: and meanwhile everyone is looking at her like she was involved. 59 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:12,800 Speaker 2: I'm so excited for this series, Loan. You're phenomenal. The 60 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 2: storytelling is fantastic. The episodes that I have heard, you 61 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 2: are just at every twist and turn, just on the 62 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:22,360 Speaker 2: edge of your seat, and I don't doubt that the 63 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 2: betrayal audience is going to love it. So without further ado, 64 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 2: here's American Homicide Father's Day Murders, Part. 65 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 5: One Onways Your. 66 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 3: It was Father's Day twenty eleven when Charie or Teas 67 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 3: walked into her parents' home and found the bodies of 68 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 3: her mother and father. 69 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 4: They had been shot in the head, and it occurred 70 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 4: sometime earlier in the day I just walked. The brutality 71 00:03:59,000 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 4: was unspeakable. 72 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 3: The hunt to find the killer would tear the community 73 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 3: apart and devastate Cherif. 74 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 6: I really do have hope, this is going to get sold. 75 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 3: My name is Sloane Glass. I'm a journalist who covered 76 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 3: the Long Island serial killer, the Delphi, Indiana murders, and 77 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:20,280 Speaker 3: many other high profile true crime cases. And now I'm 78 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 3: the host of American Homicide, a podcast where we take 79 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:29,040 Speaker 3: you across the country to investigate some of America's deadliest crimes. 80 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:33,360 Speaker 3: We'll explore how these murders are shaped by their unique landscapes, 81 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 3: and how these tragedies have shaped the fabric of these 82 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:42,599 Speaker 3: American communities forever. Today we're in the tiny village of 83 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 3: al Rancho, New Mexico, for part one of the Father's 84 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 3: Day Murders on American Homicide. As a note, this podcast 85 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 3: contains subject matter which may not be suitable for all audiences. 86 00:04:55,680 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 3: Discretion is advised. I had a picture for you. Santa Fe, 87 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:05,040 Speaker 3: New Mexico, is called the city Different for its rich 88 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 3: culture and diverse community. Native American ancestries, blend with Spanish 89 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:15,279 Speaker 3: culture in a state with one of America's richest landscapes. 90 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 5: Northern New Mexico in particular, it's a very unique place. 91 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 5: It's beautiful. 92 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 3: Alex Tomlin was a local TV news reporter who lives 93 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:22,599 Speaker 3: in the area. 94 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:26,360 Speaker 5: It has impeccable weather and the mountains are incredible. 95 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 3: The region is home to natural hot springs and wild rivers. 96 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:33,719 Speaker 5: You can drive an hour north and go whitewater rafting, 97 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:36,280 Speaker 5: or you can go down to White Sands and enjoy that. 98 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 5: But kind of on the outskirts of Santa Fe, you 99 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:41,479 Speaker 5: get a lot of the smaller communities. 100 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:44,919 Speaker 3: And one such place is the tiny village of El Rancho. 101 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:49,799 Speaker 3: The predominantly Hispanic community is about twenty miles from Santa 102 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:53,600 Speaker 3: Fe and is built around co op farming and churches. 103 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:56,040 Speaker 5: It's a lot of people who have kind of grown there, 104 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 5: have families there, kind of all know each other. 105 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 3: But it's also a desolate place. 106 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:01,920 Speaker 2: Well. 107 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 5: One of the things about New Mexico is it's so open. 108 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 5: When you go to someone's home, often they have a 109 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 5: significant sized property. There's not neighbors very close. 110 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:14,039 Speaker 3: And even though the homes are all spread out across 111 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 3: the desert. 112 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 5: Everyone kind of knows each other that there is an 113 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:21,559 Speaker 5: interesting dynamic here. As much as it's known for its beauty, 114 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 5: is also known for the crime. 115 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:27,480 Speaker 3: The tragic murders on Father's Day twenty eleven would stretch 116 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:30,280 Speaker 3: the fabric of l Rancho to its limits. 117 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 5: So June eighteenth, twenty eleven, seemed like any normal night. 118 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:38,679 Speaker 3: Shari or Ties had dinner plants with her parents, Lloyd 119 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:40,039 Speaker 3: and Dixie. 120 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:42,920 Speaker 5: Shari or Ties. She lived on the property with the Ortizes. 121 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 3: Her parents and brother lived in a large one story house, 122 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:50,159 Speaker 3: and Shari and her husband lived in an RV next door. 123 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 3: Even though there's a fence around their spacious property, the 124 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 3: family had an open door policy. 125 00:06:57,279 --> 00:06:59,839 Speaker 5: Anyone could come in, have dinner at their table or 126 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 5: in time with them. They were just kind of a 127 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:04,920 Speaker 5: good family in this community that was very tight knit. 128 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 3: Lloyd er Ties was a man who loved to use 129 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 3: his hands. He owned his own ceramic tile business. His 130 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 3: craftsmanship turned up in homes and even luxury hotels all 131 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 3: over northern New Mexico. 132 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 5: He was an incredibly loving father, a hard working man 133 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 5: who provided for his family. His wife, Dixie, they sound 134 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 5: like a perfect pair. 135 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 3: Dixie was passionate about working with the elderly and the disabled. 136 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 3: She was an activities director at a local retirement home, 137 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 3: and she fostered children with special needs. 138 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 5: They took in a child who had shacken baby syndrome 139 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 5: and adopted him as their own. Raised that child, loved 140 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 5: that child. 141 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 3: That child's name was Stephen. Steven had special needs from 142 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 3: his early life injuries. His brain never developed beyond that 143 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 3: of a nine year old, but he matured into a 144 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 3: young man that his family called the gentle Giant. He 145 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 3: loved to play drums, ride his atv, and fish with Lloyd. 146 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 5: They were just really giving, loving people, burying northern New Mexico. Hardworking, 147 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 5: you know, love the land, love the culture kind of thing. 148 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 3: Since it was Father's Day, Shari or Teas whipped up 149 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 3: a plate of homemade enchiladas for dinner. It was her gift. 150 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 3: Just before seven o'clock that evening, she took them and 151 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 3: walked next door to her parents. Even though it was June, 152 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 3: white Christmas icicle lights still hung on the gutters of 153 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:35,840 Speaker 3: her parents' home. Inside, the walls were adorned with crucifixes 154 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 3: and some of Lloyd's handmade tiles. 155 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 5: Cheri said she walks in and realizes something's very wrong. 156 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:49,320 Speaker 5: She found her mother in bed. Her mother's head was 157 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 5: pretty damaged, thought someone maybe had shot her. She then 158 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 5: went into the kitchen area and found what she thought 159 00:08:57,160 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 5: was her father on the kitchen floor. The body was 160 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 5: just so impacted by what was used against them. There's 161 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 5: these two bodies, there's blood everywhere. She goes screaming out 162 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 5: of the house and for her husband. Again, they lived 163 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:14,840 Speaker 5: on the property, so it was pretty close. 164 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:18,679 Speaker 3: Shari's husband, Jesse, ran right over to investigate. 165 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:22,079 Speaker 5: Her husband then comes in the house and he realizes 166 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 5: it's not her father on the kitchen floor, it's actually 167 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 5: her brother, and that's when he starts searching around and 168 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 5: finds her father outside right outside the back door, kind 169 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:32,440 Speaker 5: of in the field there. 170 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 3: Lloyd's Bonnie was found on a cinderblock path that connected 171 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 3: the Ortiz back porch to their fence in York. He 172 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 3: was face down, wearing only his underwear. His eyeglasses sat 173 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:49,839 Speaker 3: just inches away. Covering his head was some green shrubbery. 174 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:55,560 Speaker 3: By now, Shari was on the phone bene onwards. 175 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 7: Oh what. 176 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 3: CHERI frantically told the nine on one operator that her mother, father, 177 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 3: and brother were shot to death. 178 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 7: I just everybody shot in. 179 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:22,960 Speaker 3: And my mom's still This was Scherie's second attempt at 180 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 3: a nine on one call, Since Uri and her parents' 181 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 3: homes were out in the middle of the desert, her 182 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 3: cell reception was body. Imagine the panic, the fear that 183 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 3: your call would drop again when you're trying to get 184 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 3: emergency help for your family. And she didn't know where 185 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 3: the perpetrator was or if they were still on the property. 186 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 7: Oh my god, Oh my god, oh my god, I 187 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:51,200 Speaker 7: am freaking out. I can't even walk over there because 188 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 7: I don't service. 189 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:56,319 Speaker 3: And then there's another problem. Al Rancho is way off 190 00:10:56,360 --> 00:11:00,680 Speaker 3: the beaten path, which delays the response time forlaw enforcement. 191 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 7: Oh my god, you have to hurry. 192 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 3: With no local police force of their own, the New 193 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:11,960 Speaker 3: Mexico State Police were dispatched to investigate. 194 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 7: I can't believe they are I can't believe I didn't 195 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:21,319 Speaker 7: come check earlier this morning. Oh my god, Oh my god, 196 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 7: oh my god. Why you know, because I didn't have 197 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 7: money for a father's sacred but I didn't want to 198 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:30,560 Speaker 7: go until I finished with and Chyavau for him. Oh 199 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 7: my god. 200 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:35,720 Speaker 3: Charise stayed on the phone for nearly twenty minutes before 201 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 3: officers arrived. 202 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:39,080 Speaker 2: So I kind of get there. 203 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 7: I'm going to walk to the gate and way to them. 204 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 7: I'm my two nervous just sitting in my yard. 205 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 4: My name is Paul Chavis. I was a member of 206 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 4: the Full Time Crimes Unit as an agent with the 207 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:52,679 Speaker 4: New Mexico State Police. 208 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:56,200 Speaker 3: The two hundred homicide cases Officer Chavez worked in his 209 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 3: career didn't prepare him for what he saw inside the 210 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 3: Ortiza house. 211 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 4: In this case, the magnitude of the violence evolved was 212 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:07,680 Speaker 4: the worst that I had seen in my career. The 213 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:13,320 Speaker 4: brutality was unspeakable. Chariotis had found her parents and her 214 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 4: adopted stepbrother dead within the residence. She reported that they 215 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 4: had been shot in the head, and it occurred sometime 216 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:22,440 Speaker 4: earlier in the day. 217 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:25,680 Speaker 3: It turns out that although chari said she didn't see 218 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 3: who committed these murders, she did hear something that there was. 219 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 4: Reportedly gunshots heard the previous night in the area. 220 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 3: Now, hearing gunshots isn't entirely unusual in New Mexico, but 221 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:43,840 Speaker 3: chari and her parents' homes sit on a dead end 222 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:48,440 Speaker 3: street in the rural New Mexico Desert. It's a remote 223 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 3: area with unpaved roads and no nearby street lights. Their 224 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 3: nearest neighbor is about fifty yards up the road. Inside 225 00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:59,679 Speaker 3: the Orties' home, Officer Chavez and his team assess the situation. 226 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:02,720 Speaker 4: Once I enter into the residence. There is a master 227 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:05,920 Speaker 4: bedroom immediately to the left as you walk in, and 228 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 4: that is where the first victim, identified is Dixie or Teas, 229 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:13,119 Speaker 4: is in her bed and her nightgown under the blankets. 230 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 3: Dixie was found clutching her pillow. 231 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 4: Her upper extremities and her head is completely saturated in 232 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 4: blood where she had sustained a parent trauma. From that bedroom, 233 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:27,720 Speaker 4: there is a drip trail which extends to the kitchen 234 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 4: area where we have a second victim, a young man 235 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 4: identified as Stephen Ortiz. 236 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:37,679 Speaker 3: Stephen, her adopted brother, lay face down in a pool 237 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:42,440 Speaker 3: of blood, wearing only his underwear. Police noted that he 238 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:44,199 Speaker 3: took the brunt of the attack. 239 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 4: This scene was absolutely brutal. 240 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 3: Stephen was twenty one years old at the time of 241 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 3: his murder, and based on his injuries, police believed that 242 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 3: he tried to fight off the killer before ultimately losing 243 00:13:56,960 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 3: that battle. 244 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 4: The blood continued from that area out the back door, 245 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 4: where the third victim Loitertise was found outside the back porch. 246 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 4: There was a significant amount of bloodshed, indicating that he 247 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 4: did sustained some massive trauma. And there was also shrubbery 248 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 4: from a nearby bush that was covering his head. 249 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 3: That's two bloodied bodies inside the home and one outside. 250 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 3: And then something else stood out to law enforcement. 251 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:26,520 Speaker 4: There was a small marijuana grow on the property. It 252 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 4: was fenced off and pad locked. They did have a 253 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 4: medical marijuana card for Stephen for some of the medical conditions. 254 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 3: He had, but none of the seventeen marijuana plants appeared 255 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 3: to be disturbed. In fact, nothing seemed to be stolen 256 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 3: or even out of place. On the kitchen table in 257 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 3: plain View sat Lloyd's wallet containing hundreds of dollars. 258 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 4: This did not look like a robbery. It looked like 259 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 4: a case of anger, a lot of anger based on 260 00:14:56,760 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 4: the brutality that occurred. 261 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 3: It was a father's day too for get for residents 262 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 3: in this tiny suburb of Santa Fe, New Mexico. Lloyd 263 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 3: and Dixie Ortiz were pillars of the tight knit l 264 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 3: rancho community. They were quick to lend a helping hand 265 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 3: to others in need. So who was angry enough to 266 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 3: harm them and why. Shuri Ortis lived in an RV 267 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 3: right next door to her parents house on the same property. 268 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 3: Both home sat on a sprawling lot surrounded by hills 269 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 3: in the dusty l Rancho, New Mexico Desert. On the 270 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 3: evening of Father's Day twenty eleven, Shuri walked into her parents' 271 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 3: house and found her mother, father, and brother savagely murdered. 272 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 3: Like many others in the community, Pastor John Trujillo was 273 00:15:57,160 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 3: in shock. 274 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 8: I get a phone call. They call me PJ. Pastor 275 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 8: John says, PJ. They found Stephen, Lloyd and Dixie dead. 276 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 8: And I said, what are you talking about? Was a 277 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 8: car accident? 278 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 4: What happened? 279 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 8: He says, no, they're it seems like they were murdered 280 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 8: in their home. You need to get down here right away. 281 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 8: And as I drive up, the community is already showing up. 282 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 8: State police are there. And about that time, Shari made 283 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 8: her way out and she was just in tears, in 284 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 8: tears and tears and she's Pastor John, my family's dead. 285 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 8: My family's dead. Somebody murdered my family, somebody killed my family. 286 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 8: How do you handle that? What do you do? I mean, 287 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:47,840 Speaker 8: can you imagine the emotional and physical and just spiritual 288 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 8: distraught that you would face. 289 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 4: Nobody can't prepare for that. 290 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 8: I don't care. Nobody's prepared to walk into a scene 291 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 8: like that. 292 00:16:56,520 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 1: Especially the daughter. 293 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 8: The family was grieving and they were mourning. It's all Rancho. 294 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:05,879 Speaker 8: This isn't supposed to happen in a community like this. 295 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:10,480 Speaker 8: People are speculating that could this happened from the community. 296 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:13,280 Speaker 8: Did somebody come here from somewhere else? Was it a 297 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:16,680 Speaker 8: family member, was it a friend? Was it a robbery 298 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:20,719 Speaker 8: that went wrong? You know why? Why? It was like, okay, 299 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 8: we need some answers. 300 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 3: Since al Rancho didn't have a police force of their own, 301 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:28,919 Speaker 3: the New Mexico State Police handled the investigation by mourning. 302 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 3: The police still didn't know much. 303 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:34,200 Speaker 5: We're still unsure as to what happened out there. 304 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 4: The guys are still working, working very hard to determine 305 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 4: what exactly happened, but at this point were still don't know. 306 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:43,240 Speaker 8: Well, how in the world could something like this happen? 307 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:47,639 Speaker 8: You know, one person dead, okay, but when there's three, 308 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:50,479 Speaker 8: it raises a lot a lot of questions. 309 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 3: Police believe that three victims were shot to death inside 310 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:58,240 Speaker 3: their home, but nothing appeared to be missing. Investigators wondered 311 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:01,720 Speaker 3: if it was a murder, we were a murder. Suicide 312 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:05,360 Speaker 3: Officer Paul Chavez was one of the first responders. 313 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 4: My role primarily is to process and document the crime 314 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 4: scene to try and make sense of what occurred there. 315 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:14,439 Speaker 3: But the severity of the crime scene limited what he 316 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:15,160 Speaker 3: was able to do. 317 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:18,399 Speaker 4: You can't disturb the body march, and with the amount 318 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:21,400 Speaker 4: of bloodshed that was present, we weren't able to assess 319 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 4: the wounds as well as we would like to have 320 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 4: been able to. 321 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:24,840 Speaker 6: So. 322 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:28,680 Speaker 3: Originally the police believed all three victims were shot to death, 323 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:32,920 Speaker 3: but the results of the autopsies for each victim revealed 324 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:35,160 Speaker 3: something far more personal that. 325 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:38,240 Speaker 4: These were in fact not gunshot wounds. There were actually 326 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:42,680 Speaker 4: lacerations that were penetrating with a blood object. 327 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 3: Clearly something was missing. When the police returned to the 328 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:49,280 Speaker 3: scene of the crime, they found a five pound pick 329 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:52,720 Speaker 3: axe lying on the ground just over the fence of 330 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 3: the adjacent property, and the pick axe contain bloodstains. 331 00:18:57,359 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 4: What the pick axe did provide us was DNA from 332 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:04,119 Speaker 4: all three victims, so we unequivocally had our murder weapon. However, 333 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:08,200 Speaker 4: we were unable to forensically link a suspect to the pickaxe. 334 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 3: So what does that mean? A murder weapon with DNA 335 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 3: of the victims, but nothing to indicate a suspect. 336 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:17,239 Speaker 4: It could mean a number of things that maybe they 337 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:19,480 Speaker 4: were wearing gloves, or they covered their handiness some way 338 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:24,440 Speaker 4: or shape or form, and just sometimes the lab just 339 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 4: can't find it. It's not a one hundred percent certainty 340 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:29,640 Speaker 4: that they're going to be able to find DNA when 341 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:32,199 Speaker 4: something is touched. There's a chance that we will, but 342 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 4: it doesn't always work out that way. 343 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 5: So the one thing about the Ortez murder was really 344 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:38,240 Speaker 5: the pressure on the police. 345 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:41,960 Speaker 3: Reporter Alex Tomlin covered the story for a local TV station. 346 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 5: There was an incredible amount of pressure from that small 347 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 5: knit community, but also the surrounding communities, and so there 348 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 5: was a lot of pressure on them to get who 349 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:53,880 Speaker 5: did it, make it a clean investigation, and let's get 350 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 5: this person behind bars. And I'm sure at times that 351 00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:57,359 Speaker 5: pressure was overwhelming. 352 00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 3: The people of l Rancho couldn't shake the fear that 353 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 3: they could be next. 354 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 5: Nobody wants to think that they're going to go to 355 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 5: sleep and somebody who's pick axed A couple and their 356 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 5: son to death, is going to come into their home next. 357 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:13,679 Speaker 3: They even refuse to talk to TV reporters, not because 358 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 3: they felt pastored, but they were fearful of their own safety. 359 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 5: And that's the other terrifying thing. Think about the strength 360 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:25,440 Speaker 5: it takes to push that pick axe back multiple times 361 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:28,560 Speaker 5: and pick act someone to death that is cold blooded, 362 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 5: that is calculated. That is incredibly scary for a community 363 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 5: because that person is dangerous. You know, when you can't 364 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:41,680 Speaker 5: easily tie up a case like this, when you can't say, oh, it's, 365 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:44,399 Speaker 5: you know, a scorned lover, or it's, you know, a 366 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 5: drug deal gone wrong, or different things like that, then 367 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:50,639 Speaker 5: it becomes a well, in my next you want to 368 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:53,120 Speaker 5: find who did this because you don't want the community 369 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 5: looking at you and saying, what are you doing? Why 370 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 5: aren't you protecting us? Why don't you have the answers? 371 00:20:57,240 --> 00:21:00,399 Speaker 3: With no suspects a weapon and murder seeing free of 372 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 3: any DNA, investigators started to look at the person who 373 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 3: first discovered the bodies. That person was Shuri r. 374 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 4: Tis. 375 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 5: When something this horrific happens, the community wants answers and 376 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:14,639 Speaker 5: they want them quickly, right, So you want to be 377 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:16,359 Speaker 5: able to tie a nice bow on this thing and 378 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 5: be done with it. And Sharien her husband seemed like 379 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 5: that nice bow. They lived on the property. You could 380 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 5: come up with a motive. 381 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 3: The police wondered if Shari and her husband, Jesse knew 382 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:29,920 Speaker 3: more than they were saying, especially after they listened back 383 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:32,360 Speaker 3: to Shari's original LIMO one call. 384 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:35,439 Speaker 5: She's very frantic in that nine one one call. As 385 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:43,120 Speaker 5: you can hear. She made some comments on that nine 386 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:45,719 Speaker 5: one one call about you know, they must have been 387 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 5: shot because of how they looked. 388 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:55,760 Speaker 7: I just talked. 389 00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:59,399 Speaker 5: It wasn't later until the Office of the Medical Investigator 390 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:02,040 Speaker 5: determined that actually they had been pick axed to death. 391 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 8: Do you have no idea who would have done that? 392 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:14,639 Speaker 7: Anybody around them? Oh my god, they were such good people. 393 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:17,199 Speaker 7: Oh my god, Oh my god, Oh my god, Oh 394 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:18,800 Speaker 7: my god, Oh my god, oh my god. 395 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:22,680 Speaker 3: We have to get hurried, desperate and upset. Shari spent 396 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:25,760 Speaker 3: seventeen minutes on that nine on one call, but as 397 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 3: investigators listened back, they zeroed in on a comment Chari said, 398 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:38,720 Speaker 3: now listen closely to what CHERI told the operator. So 399 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:41,680 Speaker 3: Chari said her parents had been dead since that morning. 400 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 3: How did she know that? And why didn't she call 401 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:47,680 Speaker 3: nine one one till seven that evening. 402 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:50,959 Speaker 7: I can't believe I didn't come check earlier this morning. 403 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 7: Oh my god, oh my god, oh my god. Why 404 00:22:57,600 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 7: you know, because I didn't have money for a father's sake, 405 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 7: I didn't want to go into I finished cookie and. 406 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 5: You up for him. They one hundred percent thought she 407 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 5: was a main suspect. 408 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:09,360 Speaker 7: I can't believe this is happening. 409 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 3: When Lloyd Dixie and Stephen Ortiz were brutally murdered in 410 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:29,119 Speaker 3: their l Rancho home, their daughter Shari and her husband 411 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 3: Jesse appeared to investigators to be the only people with 412 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:36,800 Speaker 3: motive and the access to execute such a violent crime. 413 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 3: For months, Sharie and Jesse felt the stairs and heard 414 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 3: the whispers. Their pastor, John Truhio, tried to be the 415 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 3: voice of reason. 416 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:50,119 Speaker 8: I think when you have to go through that like 417 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:52,919 Speaker 8: Jesse and Sharie did, I think it was just a 418 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:55,399 Speaker 8: reassurance that said, listen, you know you need to do this, 419 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 8: you need to go through this. Just cooperate with the 420 00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:59,680 Speaker 8: state police investigators, whatever you need to do, because it's 421 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:02,720 Speaker 8: just a process of elimination. They're looking for answers just 422 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:04,880 Speaker 8: as much as everybody else is and. 423 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:06,439 Speaker 4: They need a starting point somewhere. 424 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:10,280 Speaker 8: Just go through the process, answer the questions, be honest, 425 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 8: be truthful, and let them eliminate you, and then they 426 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:15,399 Speaker 8: can move forward from there. 427 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:20,160 Speaker 4: So there were a number of red flags that required 428 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:23,560 Speaker 4: us to investigate Sherry and justice to the fullest. 429 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 3: State Police Agent Paul Chavez told the difficult line of 430 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:29,240 Speaker 3: questioning a mourning Shari. 431 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 4: Could family gain from the death of the victim? Sure, 432 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:35,000 Speaker 4: they kind of there is insurance insurance policies in place, 433 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:38,159 Speaker 4: or is there property a place? Is there something to 434 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 4: be gained? That's definitely something that was going to be 435 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 4: looked at. 436 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:45,480 Speaker 3: Investigators asked about Schuri's credit card debt and the fact 437 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:47,359 Speaker 3: that she didn't pay her car loans or even the 438 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:51,720 Speaker 3: rent on her RV, and then there was this. Suri 439 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 3: also told the investigators that she had removed eighty thousand dollars 440 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:58,640 Speaker 3: in cash from her parents' home, but she didn't tell 441 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 3: this to police until three days after the murders. 442 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:06,200 Speaker 4: Jesse and Sherrie involvement couldn't be ruled out. 443 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:08,720 Speaker 3: Jesse and Suri told detectives that they were at a 444 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 3: local casino on the night of the murders. 445 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:16,640 Speaker 4: But thought there was some conflicting statements between Shari and Jesse. 446 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:19,919 Speaker 3: The triple murder that rocked the close knit village of 447 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 3: El Rancho turned friends into enemies, families into suspects. 448 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:28,000 Speaker 5: At the time, there was a lot of speculation about 449 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:30,359 Speaker 5: her and her husband and whether or not they had 450 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 5: been involved in this crime. 451 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 3: Alex Tomlin worked as a reporter for a local TV station. 452 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:37,920 Speaker 5: The case was a little bit cold at this time, 453 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 5: and we got a call saying, she's willing to talk 454 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:40,160 Speaker 5: to you. 455 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 3: Shari was on the defensive and wanting to publicly clear 456 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,920 Speaker 3: her name, so she scheduled an interview with Alex. 457 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:51,200 Speaker 5: Cherie offered to show me the home where her parents 458 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:52,479 Speaker 5: had lived and had been murdered. 459 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 3: Alex met Sharie at her home and interviewed her just 460 00:25:56,040 --> 00:26:00,719 Speaker 3: steps away from where Lloyd, Dixie and Stephen were murdered. 461 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 5: I remember distinctly being in a kitchen and we were 462 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:08,119 Speaker 5: talking about her brother, Stephen, and you know, when the 463 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:11,919 Speaker 5: autopsy came out, he had held about a dozen or 464 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:12,640 Speaker 5: so blows. 465 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 4: I think about. 466 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:17,200 Speaker 5: Maybe seventeen blows, and I remember her talking to me 467 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,399 Speaker 5: about how he was such a big guy, that he 468 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 5: was kind of a teddy Bear, but he was such 469 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,000 Speaker 5: a big guy, and it's such a weird sensation. We 470 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:25,359 Speaker 5: were standing in someone's kitchen and you're seeing marks on 471 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:28,040 Speaker 5: the floor and you know their body had been there, 472 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:31,280 Speaker 5: and you know, she cried a lot during that interview, understandably, 473 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:35,479 Speaker 5: but really thinking about this young man coming out who 474 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:38,440 Speaker 5: didn't really have the cognitive ability to understand what was happening, 475 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:41,280 Speaker 5: you know, very much still a child kind of in 476 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:46,080 Speaker 5: a man's body, and to have that many blows to him. 477 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:48,639 Speaker 5: My only thought in that moment was he must have 478 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:52,120 Speaker 5: been trying to protect his parents. He must have been 479 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:58,359 Speaker 5: really scared, he must have really fought back, and that 480 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:00,720 Speaker 5: was just so sad. It was so sad to think 481 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:04,400 Speaker 5: about those final moments and what that must have been 482 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,879 Speaker 5: like for him, either knowing that he was dying or 483 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,879 Speaker 5: knowing that something had happened to his parents. It was 484 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:14,720 Speaker 5: just really traumatic standing there and knowing this is where 485 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 5: he died, and he died in such a violent way. 486 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,440 Speaker 3: With the cameras rolling. Alex asked Shari about the investigation. 487 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,840 Speaker 6: I believe they're going through it with tunnel vision, just 488 00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:29,120 Speaker 6: specifically focusing on us in instead of the real people 489 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:31,040 Speaker 6: or I know it had to be people. 490 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:33,120 Speaker 3: How could one person do that? 491 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:37,480 Speaker 5: So it left this very weird sensation in the community 492 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:41,120 Speaker 5: where some people were still speculating other people really believed them. 493 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 5: Why would they do this? 494 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:46,200 Speaker 3: Shari said her parents had life insurance, but she could 495 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:48,520 Speaker 3: not collect that money since and her husband were considered 496 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:53,120 Speaker 3: suspects and without that money, Suri said they couldn't pay 497 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:56,040 Speaker 3: their bills and worried their homes would be foreclosed. 498 00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,240 Speaker 5: So it was really this sense from her of trying 499 00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:03,439 Speaker 5: to advocate for herself but advocate for her parents and 500 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:05,640 Speaker 5: her brother, to say, I need to know who killed them, 501 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:07,119 Speaker 5: and at the same time, I need people to know 502 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:09,440 Speaker 5: it wasn't me. And so that was really what this 503 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:10,879 Speaker 5: conversation centered around. 504 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,639 Speaker 3: We could lose everything my dad worked so hard for. 505 00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 5: I actually saw like marks on the floor in different 506 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 5: things like that where this had happened. It was a 507 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:21,919 Speaker 5: really horrific experience. 508 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:23,600 Speaker 1: Something has to give. 509 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:25,359 Speaker 6: I really do have hope. 510 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:27,479 Speaker 4: I know this is going to get soft. 511 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:30,639 Speaker 3: With tears in her eyes, Shre then looked into the 512 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,639 Speaker 3: camera to try to clear her name and her husband 513 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 3: Jesse's as well. 514 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:36,640 Speaker 1: We had nothing to do with it. 515 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,760 Speaker 6: My god, that was my mom and Mike added my 516 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:40,560 Speaker 6: little brother. 517 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:43,080 Speaker 3: It was no secret that the two were being looked 518 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:46,120 Speaker 3: at in the triple murder, but were they that desperate 519 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:50,960 Speaker 3: for money that they would murder their own family. Paul 520 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 3: Shavz investigated. 521 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:56,080 Speaker 4: If you don't investigate Justin and Shirvey to the fullest, 522 00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:59,480 Speaker 4: you make a very easy argument for a deference attorney 523 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 4: to create dowt in jury's mind. And that's exactly what 524 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:05,560 Speaker 4: have happened if we had not followed up on all 525 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:07,400 Speaker 4: of the red flags that came up during the course 526 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:08,160 Speaker 4: of the investigation. 527 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:12,240 Speaker 3: But as the investigation dragged on, Shari shifted the blame 528 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:16,360 Speaker 3: back on the state police. She claimed that they botched 529 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:20,720 Speaker 3: the investigation and said casino security guards or even children 530 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,800 Speaker 3: could have done a better job. Against the advice of 531 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,840 Speaker 3: law enforcement, Shari even set up a po box where 532 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:32,200 Speaker 3: people could anonymously submit information about who might be responsible. 533 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 3: A year after the murders, the police promised a press 534 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 3: conference to share some breaking news on the case, but 535 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,880 Speaker 3: that press conference never happened. 536 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:47,400 Speaker 4: There was a lot of leads that came in that 537 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:50,560 Speaker 4: were followed up on, but none of them panned out. 538 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,800 Speaker 3: A billboard even went up along a local highway with 539 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:57,280 Speaker 3: a picture of Lloyd. Dixie and Stephen then offered a 540 00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:01,800 Speaker 3: one thousand dollars reward for information, but still there were 541 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:03,120 Speaker 3: no arrests. 542 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:05,400 Speaker 4: That was the hardest part of this case for me 543 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:09,640 Speaker 4: was knowing that we have not been able to bring 544 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:10,800 Speaker 4: justice for this family. 545 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,600 Speaker 3: And it wasn't just Shari who was pressuring the New 546 00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:17,000 Speaker 3: Mexico State Police. Here's TV reporter Alex Tomlin. 547 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:20,440 Speaker 5: There was an incredible amount of pressure from that small 548 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:24,080 Speaker 5: knit community, but also the surrounding communities and pretty much 549 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,719 Speaker 5: all of the state saying you've got to find who 550 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:30,000 Speaker 5: did this. You could not take a family who more 551 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:32,120 Speaker 5: people said nice things about and have a more awful 552 00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:35,280 Speaker 5: thing happen to them. I mean, they are bludgeoned to 553 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 5: death with a pickaxe. 554 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:41,840 Speaker 3: Publicly, the police didn't reveal much about other potential suspects, 555 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:46,320 Speaker 3: but behind the scenes it was a different story. Aside 556 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:51,560 Speaker 3: from Shari and her husband Jesse, investigators interviewed numerous pupil Then, 557 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:55,840 Speaker 3: sixteen months after the murders, a local twenty three year 558 00:30:55,880 --> 00:31:00,440 Speaker 3: old woman named Ashley Roybald got arrested. While she's in custoge, 559 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 3: she tells the police something astonishing. 560 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:04,520 Speaker 4: Is it okay to call you? 561 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:04,880 Speaker 7: Ashley? 562 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:05,600 Speaker 4: All right? 563 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,480 Speaker 8: I understand that you know some details. 564 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:14,320 Speaker 3: Ashley tells detectives that she knows who killed Lloyd Dixie 565 00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:15,480 Speaker 3: and Steven Ortiz. 566 00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,960 Speaker 5: It isn't until Ashley Roibald gets in trouble that all 567 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:20,920 Speaker 5: of a sudden she's willing to tell police what happened. 568 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:22,680 Speaker 7: I'll just let you go ahead and tell me the story. 569 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:26,200 Speaker 5: It was almost like the answer everyone had been waiting for. 570 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:26,400 Speaker 4: It. 571 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:31,280 Speaker 3: Ashley Roibal kept quiet for sixteen months. During that time, 572 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:35,720 Speaker 3: she re juggled losing her mom, dad, and brother well 573 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:39,280 Speaker 3: being looked at by everyone as a suspect, all while 574 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:42,560 Speaker 3: she couldn't collect their life insurance money and was scared 575 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:47,520 Speaker 3: she'd lose everything. But now, sixteen months later, Ashley was 576 00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:48,760 Speaker 3: finally ready to talk. 577 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:52,280 Speaker 4: Well, this was the turning point in the investigation. 578 00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:54,440 Speaker 3: But would anyone believe Ashley? 579 00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,920 Speaker 5: There's things that kind of don't match up their shifting stories. 580 00:31:58,120 --> 00:31:59,480 Speaker 8: We just want the truth. 581 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,840 Speaker 3: Any of the wheels of justice move very slowly, and 582 00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:06,200 Speaker 3: in this case that would prove to be an understatement. 583 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:10,320 Speaker 5: And I remember thinking, oh God, here we go again. 584 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:12,600 Speaker 5: This poor family has been through the ring error. 585 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,440 Speaker 8: I would have never suspected that it was going to 586 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:16,040 Speaker 8: come down to this. 587 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:20,240 Speaker 3: Find out what Ashley says really happened that night, Part 588 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:24,160 Speaker 3: two of the Father's Day Murders. 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