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Speaker 1: Welcome to another episode of Point Game. I'm your host CJ. Toldonna,

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Speaker 1: of course, joined by my co hosts Isaiah Thomas. It

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Speaker 1: t how you feeling today, man.

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Speaker 2: I'm good man, it's a good little It's a nice

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Speaker 1: You're spending a couple of days in l A. You're

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Speaker 2: In, getting the work in. But we spoke about it.

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Speaker 2: Like it's difficult. I don't know, because it's it's entertainment

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Speaker 1: Guys got to get them. Moment mentality, we talk about

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Speaker 1: Honestly, what I like about this is that we got

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be a good one this year. We'll take

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Speaker 1: Brandow all right, welcome back on Point Game. Now. We're

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Speaker 1: nearing the trade deadlines, and so we've had some names

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Speaker 1: But I wanted to talk about some other ones. So

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Speaker 1: It was kind of a controversy here with Rich Paul

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Speaker 2: I mean, first off, come on, Rich Paul, we can't

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Like, and then just to know who he is and

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Speaker 2: what he is to Lebron is like, has that been

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Speaker 2: you could definitely talk the game, talk about what's going

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Speaker 2: You did a trade that is really realistic and it

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Speaker 2: So like, I think that was wrong to throw somebody

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Speaker 1: That's a tough deal. I mean, and I'm one of

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Speaker 2: I think that's a good like to piggyback, that's a

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Speaker 2: good trade because Jared Jackson is better than any big

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Speaker 2: of their bigs. But then you're giving up a guy

432
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Speaker 2: that's averaging twenty five plus and it's one of the

433
00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:44,880
Speaker 2: up and coming you know, stars in this league. So yeah,

434
00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:48,080
Speaker 2: it's it's it's tough because like, if I'm in that situation,

435
00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:53,119
Speaker 2: I'm thinking, does Jared Jackson make me a contender to

436
00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:55,720
Speaker 2: win the championship right now? Like? Is that a guarantee

437
00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:59,440
Speaker 2: I get at least even to the conference finals? But then,

438
00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:03,040
Speaker 2: like say Lebron retires after this year, you just gave

439
00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:06,840
Speaker 2: up Austin Reeves. It is a big piece, Yeah, what

440
00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:07,639
Speaker 2: you got going on?

441
00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:09,439
Speaker 1: So it would be a good trade. I think you

442
00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:12,280
Speaker 1: said it right. There is, but like do they want

443
00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:14,280
Speaker 1: to win right now? Does it make him a contender?

444
00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:17,760
Speaker 1: And I unfortunately feel like the Lakers do not have

445
00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:21,080
Speaker 1: a window to leverage their future anymore. You know, like

446
00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:23,679
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago with Lebron, who you know,

447
00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:26,440
Speaker 1: had some years in front of him, it's like, oh, yeah,

448
00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:28,720
Speaker 1: we got to give Lebron those pieces. But they've they've

449
00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:31,600
Speaker 1: tried it a few times and it just backfired. And

450
00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:34,600
Speaker 1: now you got Austin Reeves, who's been loyal, who could

451
00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:37,160
Speaker 1: have went anywhere when he was a free agent, has

452
00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:40,080
Speaker 1: said I feel like he's he's in. His deal is

453
00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:41,719
Speaker 1: incredibly Lakers friendly.

454
00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:45,040
Speaker 2: I think the biggest thing is too. Like the Lakers,

455
00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:48,399
Speaker 2: he's their most valued player right now other than Luca.

456
00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:52,239
Speaker 1: Another name former Laker A D who unfortunately has has

457
00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:54,800
Speaker 1: been suffering through some injuries. But I think we've all

458
00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:58,040
Speaker 1: seen when when a D is eighty five percent healthy,

459
00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:00,000
Speaker 1: he's one of the greatest bigs out there.

460
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:00,440
Speaker 2: Real.

461
00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:03,720
Speaker 1: So, you know, the Mass have talked about they'd be

462
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:05,800
Speaker 1: down to trade them. Some teams I think could really

463
00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:08,800
Speaker 1: use them. I think a D needs a situation and

464
00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:12,000
Speaker 1: some scenery that is not as dysfunctional as sort of

465
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:14,000
Speaker 1: the you know, the past couple of teams he's been on,

466
00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:16,640
Speaker 1: just a place where he can hoop, you know, worry

467
00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:18,639
Speaker 1: about his health and all that. So what do you

468
00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:21,960
Speaker 1: think about the Mass trading for AD or should they

469
00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:24,119
Speaker 1: hang on to him? Like that is a team that

470
00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:26,320
Speaker 1: we haven't really seen healthy as well in Cooper Flag,

471
00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:28,159
Speaker 1: like they keep getting better. I think they won, like

472
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Speaker 1: they're their third straight recently. So yeah, you know, do

473
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Speaker 1: they trade a piece that could potentially help them when

474
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Speaker 1: they're when they're healthy. What do you think about Ad?

475
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:38,000
Speaker 2: I think they trade him. I think okay, you get

476
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:41,040
Speaker 2: some value for him. You start to build around Cooper

477
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:43,760
Speaker 2: Flag like you're not winning the championship. If AD's healthy

478
00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:47,080
Speaker 2: or Kyrie comes back healthy, just you're just not right now.

479
00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:53,160
Speaker 2: I don't believe that. So why not trade Ad, get

480
00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:55,919
Speaker 2: some value for him, whether it be draft picks, young guys,

481
00:23:57,359 --> 00:23:59,800
Speaker 2: probably put somebody else in that trade to build around

482
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:03,800
Speaker 2: super Flag and Kyrie moving forward, and then go from there.

483
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:07,159
Speaker 2: Like the Dallas thing just hasn't worked. Obviously, A D

484
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:11,640
Speaker 2: has been not hasn't been healthy as as much as

485
00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:14,920
Speaker 2: he's he wants to be. I just think that whole

486
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:19,359
Speaker 2: dynamic is just it was forced obviously with the Luca trade.

487
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,480
Speaker 2: It's just a time for a change of scenery for him,

488
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:25,720
Speaker 2: and I think it would it would help a D

489
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:30,119
Speaker 2: as well obviously once he gets healthy. But going somewhere

490
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:32,879
Speaker 2: you never I don't know where he will go. I

491
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:36,960
Speaker 2: don't know who would want him. Obviously, teams would want him, yeah,

492
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:40,479
Speaker 2: but I just don't know what direction you go in

493
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Speaker 2: in terms of where that's going to happen.

494
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Speaker 1: At Yeah, I can't. I can't really off the top

495
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Speaker 1: of my head think about you know, we've been looking

496
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Speaker 1: at these trades through the lens of like you know,

497
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Speaker 1: making teams of media contenders. I think the league is

498
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:56,600
Speaker 1: right now. The way it stands, the teams are are

499
00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:59,400
Speaker 1: it's sort of bottom heavy, right, So it's like Ad

500
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:01,679
Speaker 1: going so where isn't gonna make him a contender? But

501
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:05,439
Speaker 1: you know some of these teams need to just admit

502
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 1: that they got to do with the long play. We

503
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 1: talked about the Wizards. You know, if Trey is getting

504
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 1: there and they're talking about how you might play, he's

505
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:14,360
Speaker 1: ramping up, like you need a couple more vets there

506
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:16,840
Speaker 1: because they lost CJ who was their great vet. Like

507
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:20,040
Speaker 1: you get a d who's a great vet but also

508
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 1: a dominant force when he is healthy. You got Trey

509
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:24,640
Speaker 1: young that that combo rate there, I think.

510
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:26,520
Speaker 2: I mean that would be that would be that would

511
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:29,240
Speaker 2: be like good, you got you're coming in next year

512
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:33,199
Speaker 2: with treyon and Ad. You got the young wings, you

513
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 2: got you got a couple of young guards. That shows

514
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 2: that you're making progress and moving forward like you want to.

515
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:42,199
Speaker 2: You're not saying you can win a championship with that team.

516
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:45,120
Speaker 2: You can get to the playoffs, build a year after

517
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 2: year for a couple of years. In two years, three years,

518
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:52,199
Speaker 2: maybe you're especially in the East, maybe you're in the

519
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:56,480
Speaker 2: second conference finals, second round Conference finals and then you

520
00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 2: gotta Obviously it's towards the end of a d's career

521
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 2: at some point, but that would be a good little place,

522
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:05,679
Speaker 2: and it's DC, Like DC is a nice place to

523
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 2: live too.

524
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Speaker 1: My other play here is going hometown like Chicago. Oh,

525
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 1: I think could make some room too. Obviously they got

526
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 1: you know, Vuceviciu has always played really solid, but like

527
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 1: him going back, I feel like he really put on

528
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:20,439
Speaker 1: for l A and like felt like fed off the

529
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:22,920
Speaker 1: energy of the city, which I feel like he doesn't

530
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,320
Speaker 1: really have in Dallas unfortunately. But going back to his

531
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:28,440
Speaker 1: hometown and playing where it all began, I feel like

532
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:29,960
Speaker 1: could be interesting as well.

533
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,640
Speaker 2: And they'll give him good energy, Like they'll probably mean

534
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 2: a little more, yeah, but I mean that that could

535
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:41,920
Speaker 2: be a good will that make them probably okay. That's

536
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 2: the only thing is like, yeah, you might want to

537
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,200
Speaker 2: go back to the crib, but are you cool with

538
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 2: not being good for a couple of years, Like that's

539
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:50,919
Speaker 2: like not even saying they won't be good, but like

540
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 2: championship contending good, that's a no brainer. That's no go okay.

541
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 1: And finally I saw this report. We've been talking about

542
00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:00,639
Speaker 1: this potentially happening. But here's the interesting and wrinkles. So

543
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 1: the Knicks have discussed trading Cat and I saw. I

544
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:06,879
Speaker 1: was like, okay, so this is starting. It's gonna be

545
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,399
Speaker 1: Cat for Yannis. But then they said magic Hornets and

546
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 1: Grizzlies or who they were talking to.

547
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 2: See those type of trades. Is definitely gonna be a

548
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 2: three team trade and a few players. But I think

549
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 2: the Knicks need to give up kay.

550
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,879
Speaker 1: I think, but you gotta only give him up for Yannis, right, Yeah, you're.

551
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,200
Speaker 2: Not giving them up for some role players or any No,

552
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:31,400
Speaker 2: it's a star for star. It's a star for star,

553
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 2: and you're probably gonna have to give up a little more.

554
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:37,200
Speaker 2: But yeah, I'm making that move if that's available.

555
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 1: And you're making that move. Like with Kat, who he's

556
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 1: been on the Timberwolves when they've been successful. The Knicks

557
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,680
Speaker 1: have been successful. But there is something about Cat where

558
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 1: he's a seven footer, but he's an incredible shooter at

559
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 1: seven feet tall. But sometimes these teams just need their

560
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 1: seven foot or to be a big presence in the post.

561
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:56,359
Speaker 1: Is that sort of the number one criticism?

562
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, like you're living, you're you're You're just a seven

563
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:03,119
Speaker 2: foot guard at this point, Like he doesn't go in

564
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 2: the post enough, and when he is in the posts,

565
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:08,160
Speaker 2: he makes stuff happen. But I know that's not how

566
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,480
Speaker 2: the game is and guys don't want to bang like

567
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,919
Speaker 2: they used to. But I feel like he has to

568
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,479
Speaker 2: be able to switch it up a little more, like

569
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:19,879
Speaker 2: do a little bit of both, like especially when it's

570
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 2: mismatches and stuff. I think he tends to just stay

571
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 2: around the top of the key the three point line

572
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 2: and fire away. And he's one of the best three

573
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 2: point shooting bigs, so you you can't take that away

574
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 2: from him, but I would like to see him be

575
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 2: a little more versatile and doing more things that closer

576
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 2: to the hoop at times.

577
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 1: And it was like a little snapshot of this season

578
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 1: on the Pond. We were like, oh, the Knicks are winning,

579
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 1: they're on a win streak, but then they just lost

580
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 1: a few games.

581
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 2: They've been, they've been. They lost nine out of their

582
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 2: last eleven.

583
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 1: You know, so that's all it takes.

584
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 2: So you know, they're saying, fire Mike bro They're doing

585
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 2: all that just how New York always does it. So

586
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 2: it's like they it's crazy there. They lost nine to

587
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 2: eleven and they're still like in third or fourth place.

588
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 2: That's how good they was really playing.

589
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 1: And the Celtics are our second in the East, who

590
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 1: was supposed to be.

591
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 2: Rebuilding like a down year. Tatum comes back.

592
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 1: In the playoffs, like we might see Celtics in the final.

593
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 2: There's a team. They're a team you don't want to

594
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 2: really match up with. That's just that they're a team

595
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 2: that you don't want to match it with during that time.

596
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 1: Well, and you spent some time around that team. Not

597
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 1: to go away from trade stuff, but like we gotta

598
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 1: we gotta give credit to Derek White, like he's a

599
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,479
Speaker 1: legitimate player. He wasn't just like the whole player, Like

600
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 1: you know, that team is full of dogs. Obviously Jalen

601
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 1: has been a leader, uh since being there, but like yeah,

602
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 1: for them to play as well as they have without

603
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 1: Tatum and then Tatum going to be healthy and like

604
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 1: what what what's that? What you've been over there? Like

605
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 1: what is that over there? It's good coaching.

606
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 2: Is the culture is there is culture staff is really

607
00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 2: good and prepared. They have really good players that are

608
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 2: like next mentality up next man mentality mindsets, and they

609
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 2: got really skilled players like Peyton Pritcher's really skilled, Derek

610
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 2: White's really skilled. Obviously, Jaylen Brown is taking his game

611
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 2: to another level that guys didn't think he can be

612
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 2: the number one option and lead a team, and he's

613
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 2: doing that, and he's playing on both sides of the ball.

614
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 2: Like he's one of the best two way players in

615
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 2: the game. So I think they got they got championship experience,

616
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 2: so no situation or no game is too much for them,

617
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 2: and that's like a skill to have. And they've been

618
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 2: together for a little bit, so like they know, they've

619
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 2: been to war together. And when you've been when you've

620
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 2: been a battle with the next guy right next to

621
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 2: you numerous times at the highest stage, you have a

622
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 2: little different confidence in you that no matter who we play,

623
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 2: we can beat these guys.

624
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 1: Don't count them out. It's going to be interesting with

625
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 1: all these trades, these sneaky teams. We don't this is

626
00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 1: the most open season that I've ever seen.

627
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 2: It, and that's good for the game. Like you don't

628
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 2: got like obviously, Okay, see he's the favorite because they're

629
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 2: one of the best teams, but like it's not no

630
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 2: clear cut they're winning even though they're playing really well.

631
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 2: That's just how the game is now, and that just

632
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 2: makes it that much more competitive and exciting at the

633
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 2: same time. For sure.

634
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 1: Okay, we're gonna take another break Cawn point game. When

635
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 1: we come back, we're gonna talk about the league going

636
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 1: even more global with Silver talking an expansion, and then

637
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 1: we're gonna do our no days off and awards some

638
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 1: players that everyone needs to be talking about. Let me back,

639
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 1: all right. For this week's DraftKings Sportsbook segment, the current

640
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:44,479
Speaker 1: odds have SGA, Kate Cunningham, and Anthony Edwards all at

641
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 1: the same odds of plus two point fifty to win

642
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 1: the Clutch Player of the Year. So it who do

643
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 1: you think out of those names are gonna get the

644
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 1: Clutch Award this year?

645
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 2: Man, those are some tough names. Those are some good names.

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Speaker 1: All right, welcome back to Point Game. Now, I wanted

667
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 1: to talk. We talked about how the All Star Game

668
00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 1: is going to the USA versus World format, but I

669
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 1: think Silver since he's come in, he's sort of had

670
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 1: his eyes set on, you know, how to continue growing

671
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 1: this game globally, and he announced that they are in

672
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 1: talks on an NBA in feba partnership and doing some

673
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 1: some sort of like NBA euro League Memphis and the

674
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 1: Magic put over in Berlin and London, which was a

675
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 1: great look. Now it t you know you during your

676
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 1: time in the NBA did you go overseas and I

677
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 1: know you were even looking at some euro League stuff,

678
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 1: Like what do you know about over there? Is this

679
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 1: a good move or should the league be you know,

680
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 1: just continue to take care of the product back home.

681
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 2: It gott to grow. It's only right for the game

682
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 2: to grow. So Adam Silver is doing the right thing

683
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 2: and expanding it to different countries, for different countries that

684
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 2: be able to have the access to see players they

685
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 2: only see on TV. The game is global, man, So

686
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 2: it's it's it's a dope experience, not only for the

687
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 2: fan that doesn't get to see these guys on the regular,

688
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 2: but for the player going to these cities, experiencing the culture,

689
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 2: the different cultures, eating the food, and experiencing that love

690
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 2: that other countries give you. It's like, it's it's a

691
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 2: no brainer. Like what Adam Silver's doing is is is genius.

692
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 2: Is only right. It's probably tough doing it in the

693
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 2: middle of the season, because when I played back in

694
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 2: twenty sixteen and seventeen. I think even in twenty fifteen,

695
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:23,800
Speaker 2: we went on the Celtics, we went to Mulan, Italy,

696
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 2: we went to Madrid, we went to like, like, we

697
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 2: had a couple of cities that we end up playing

698
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:33,360
Speaker 2: in the preseason, and it was like an experience of

699
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:35,799
Speaker 2: a lifetime. It was so dop. It was so dope.

700
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 2: We even I even ended up playing against Luka Doncis's team,

701
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 2: and he was like fifteen or sixteen years old, and

702
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 2: nobody even knew he was on the bench. So that's

703
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 2: how crazy the game is and how things just change

704
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 2: and turn and now he's one of the best players

705
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 2: in the world. Like, so it's dope to be able

706
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 2: to experience that, to see those things, and for the

707
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 2: NBA to expand. The NBA should be everywhere, man, it's

708
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:05,800
Speaker 2: so it's so big, the world watches it. It should

709
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,400
Speaker 2: be the best players in the world around the world.

710
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 2: Somehow someway that.

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00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:12,799
Speaker 1: That's such a cool story. You're saying that you're playing

712
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 1: against Luca. Didn't you didn't even know who he was

713
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 1: though he.

714
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 2: Was the only way I remembered it because when he

715
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 2: got to the league. He mentioned he's like the first

716
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 2: NBA players I've seen or NBA team I played against

717
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:27,799
Speaker 2: was Isaiah Thomas and the Celtics, and he ended up

718
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 2: getting in that game, I think towards the end, but

719
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 2: like you just would never know. And that's how I

720
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 2: bet Winby did it with somebody and how like all

721
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 2: those stars from different countries that you never even heard of,

722
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 2: that's how they break through, get the opportunity and then

723
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:44,439
Speaker 2: become who they are.

724
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Speaker 1: There was I remember Ricky Rubio playing at like fourteen. Yeah,

725
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 1: there's a story like Barkley always tells how he went

726
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 1: over He's playing Dirk and then they were like, who's

727
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:58,840
Speaker 1: this Dirk guy? Shooting all these fadeaways, crazy footwork, and

728
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 1: then he was trying to get Dirk to go play

729
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:01,240
Speaker 1: for Auburn.

730
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,720
Speaker 2: You know. I remember one time I was in high school,

731
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:07,319
Speaker 2: I was playing for the USA team and we went

732
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:12,240
Speaker 2: to Italy and we played, we participated in the europre

733
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 2: draft thing with all like the older men, and we

734
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:19,279
Speaker 2: were like sixteen seventeen at the time, playing against these guys,

735
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 2: scrimmaging and getting our ass kicked, like be losing by

736
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:26,479
Speaker 2: thirty forty and we had all like the top little

737
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 2: college stars on the team that were going to college

738
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 2: all that, but it didn't matter. And I remember seeing

739
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 2: Marco BELLNELLI like for the first time. This is when,

740
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 2: this is when he was going into the draft. I

741
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 2: remember what he was wearing and everything. This is how

742
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:39,720
Speaker 2: I mazed.

743
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 1: I was.

744
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 2: I was like, he had an all white Jordan threes

745
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,359
Speaker 2: and he walked in the gym like he was Michael Jordan,

746
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 2: pure money. All the pure Moneies walked in and everybody

747
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 2: like his are his His energy was like, damn, that's

748
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 2: that dude. I don't even know who he was until yes,

749
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:58,720
Speaker 2: and they were like, man, he's going in the draft

750
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 2: this year. He gonna be a top ten pick. He's

751
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 2: one of them dudes. And then we play against him

752
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 2: and stuff, Like I thought he was like Kobe, Like

753
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 2: I thought he was that good at that point because

754
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 2: I never seen no guy make every shot. He's fading away,

755
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 2: he doing stuff that you only see on TV. But like,

756
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 2: that's where the game has taken everybody to where you

757
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 2: can go to a different country running to a person

758
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:24,879
Speaker 2: you never seen, never heard of, and then five ten

759
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 2: years later he'd be one of the best players to

760
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 2: play the game like.

761
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:31,720
Speaker 1: Man shout out Marco Bellinellie. Honestly, I told you before

762
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:33,839
Speaker 1: I was a fan of the Bulls, Nate Robinson, those

763
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 1: teams where they would always get some guys like Marc Bellanellien.

764
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 1: I was like, who is this guy? And he was

765
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 1: doing those fadeaways, he was doing all these.

766
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:42,799
Speaker 2: And he was threes, he was doing all automatic.

767
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 1: But then he had this aura of like a race

768
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 1: car driver.

769
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 2: Yes, but back then he had an or like he

770
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 2: was Kobe. He walked in I told you with the

771
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 2: all white threes he had so oh he had the

772
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 2: NBA socks and I'm like, oh, damn, he must be cold.

773
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 2: Didn't even know didn't even know who it was. I

774
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:03,320
Speaker 2: was like, damn, that was back in two thousand and six,

775
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 2: two thousand and seven, damn, or whatever year he went

776
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 2: to the draft. That might have been two thousand and eight.

777
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 1: So other games that are producer actually put together a

778
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 1: list which I thought was cool, some games that you know,

779
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:15,959
Speaker 1: potentially that we we would want to see out there.

780
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 1: We got Nuggets game in Serbia, kauz Jokic Bucks game

781
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:22,840
Speaker 1: in Greece because he Yiannis Spurs in France Lakers and

782
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:26,360
Speaker 1: Slovenia because of Luca and Sixers game and Cameroon, Like

783
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 1: how much you know how much love is are the

784
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:32,800
Speaker 1: fans given? Like what's the environment like in comparison to NBA,

785
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 1: especially when they're their hometown heroes are coming to play.

786
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 2: There's no comparison to the love you get overseas. I

787
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 2: don't I don't care where it's had, Like those people

788
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 2: don't think they're ever gonna see ever ever, so like

789
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 2: the love is like, the love is real anytime I'm

790
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 2: going I go to like list last summer, I went

791
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 2: to Greece twice, I went to Switzerland. Like it's like

792
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 2: you would think I'm Michael Jordan. Like like that the

793
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 2: amount of love and how crazy they go for you.

794
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 2: So the NBA should do that every year to where

795
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:08,320
Speaker 2: especially the top dogs that are over that are foreign,

796
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 2: they should have a game in their home city to

797
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 2: just bring awareness of the game of basketball bringing the NBA.

798
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:18,360
Speaker 2: That would be cracking if they did that every year

799
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 2: to the obviously you got to be a superstar star, yeah,

800
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:24,760
Speaker 2: and you go back to your go back to the crib,

801
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 2: be able to play and get that experience.

802
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 1: Like that would be man here's how I think they

803
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,880
Speaker 1: could do it too, especially they get because I feel

804
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 1: like the league, and Mellow was just talking about his

805
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:39,319
Speaker 1: podcast of like you know and you've gone through too,

806
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 1: of like the league is just so filled with talent, right,

807
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 1: so we have guys who can clearly play right now

808
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 1: who aren't on teams. Right So if they're going, you're

809
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 1: a league, you put Luca on Slovenia, you take away

810
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 1: some of these guys, but then you feel those spots

811
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 1: with some US players on these teams.

812
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 2: So you're saying, really making an expansion in them having.

813
00:39:56,520 --> 00:40:00,359
Speaker 1: A team, and like it's separate from the NBA. It's

814
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 1: NBA Euro it's or it's NBA Global, you know, and

815
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 1: so it is like an Olympics, but it's more so

816
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 1: just like for like a couple of months or something

817
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 1: instead of ye if.

818
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:12,239
Speaker 2: You could do like even if you could do like

819
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:14,840
Speaker 2: a month friendly or whatever, you're where you do a

820
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:17,279
Speaker 2: month and every all those guys are on the team

821
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 2: where they're from. And I get it, I get it.

822
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 2: You're gonna have to pay so much more for these guys.

823
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:27,840
Speaker 1: Put the money where people want to watch, you know, And.

824
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 2: For sure, no, I think it would be dope if

825
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 2: you can make it happen, if.

826
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 1: You lead guys to like the younger guys who you

827
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 1: know you want them on a team. Mac McClung's you know,

828
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 1: just get like, let's be just I guess it's like

829
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 1: more of like a reoccurring like World Games.

830
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:46,879
Speaker 2: No that that it could make sense, Yeah, it can.

831
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 1: Just how to fix it?

832
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:51,880
Speaker 2: That would be dope. If somehow that can make it

833
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 2: make sense. I would like, I know, if they can,

834
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:58,840
Speaker 2: they're they're definitely gonna Expand.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's go into our No Days Off segment.

836
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,319
Speaker 1: You've been watching who we've been watching it? Who are

837
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 1: some names? Actually listen, let's do a little reminder for

838
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 1: anyone who's just locking in the podcast for the first time.

839
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Speaker 1: We call it this segment No Days Off, where we

840
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:14,880
Speaker 1: give some love to a player who's not getting that

841
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:17,320
Speaker 1: TV shine, not getting all the posts and social media,

842
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 1: but who's really really stepping up and killing and deserves

843
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 1: some love and deserves our flowers. So it who are

844
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:25,439
Speaker 1: you giving it to this week? No days Off?

845
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 2: This week No days Off? Over there? Our guy over

846
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 2: there on the Atlanta Hawks, Nikkeiel Alexander Walker has been

847
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 2: doing his thing ever since the trade, he's been obviously

848
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 2: playing more in the starting lineup getting minutes, but even

849
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:45,720
Speaker 2: before the Tray Young trade, he's really been balling every week.

850
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 2: When I look at the box score, when I look

851
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 2: at Atlanta hot game, he's given you twenty six, twenty two.

852
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 2: And let's not forget he plays both ends of the floor.

853
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 2: Like he started his career as a lockdown defender. The

854
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 2: last couple of Playoffs appearances he's had, that's been his

855
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:06,240
Speaker 2: job is to guard the best guard, hit his open threes,

856
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 2: and he's expanded his game even more in terms of

857
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:13,399
Speaker 2: making plays off the dribble, knocking down this three, consistently

858
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 2: really being a dog out there for the Atlanta Hawks.

859
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:18,399
Speaker 2: So like I got to give a big shout out

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Speaker 2: to him or no days off winner. We're always looking

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Speaker 2: for the guys that don't get the love. We're always

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Speaker 2: looking for the guys they don't get the media light

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Speaker 2: on them. But we're gonna shine the light on our guy.

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Speaker 2: NA kill Alexander Walker over there in Atlanta, the cousin

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Speaker 2: of SGA, So he got a little bit of SGA

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Speaker 2: in his game, and I know he'd be wearing the

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Speaker 2: converse and all that. So maybe SGA's game is spilling

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Speaker 2: over to to Walker's game, So shout out to him. Man,

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Speaker 2: no days off, winner for the week, keep doing your things,

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Speaker 2: stay on your slow ground.

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Speaker 1: Dope and just piggybacking on that. I think that's why

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Speaker 1: we saw the trade, the trade young trade happen. They

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Speaker 1: got a bunch of guys who deserve to have the

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Speaker 1: ball in their hands more and they just got to

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Speaker 1: cover right now, and so they cleared up some cap

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Speaker 1: space and want have to resign that that that giant

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Speaker 1: contract that trees getting demand. So shout out to that.

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Speaker 1: It's nice when uh, you know, you like correct a problem,

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Speaker 1: you know by bringing in a guy like Nikielan who's

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Speaker 1: really stepping into his contract in a big way. So

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Speaker 1: shout out to him. There's been another episode of Point Game.

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Speaker 1: Any parting words it.

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Speaker 2: Fans out there, just keep tapping in with us. Man,

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Speaker 2: we need more viewers, We need all of that. We

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Speaker 2: need to love. Tell us what you want to hear,

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Speaker 2: what you want to chop with us to chop it

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Speaker 2: up about, even if you want some real deal stories.

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Speaker 2: I just think in the back of my head of

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Speaker 2: all the you know, hope experience I've had in my career,

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Speaker 2: but you know, shout out to you, Shout out to

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Speaker 2: everybody involved. It's a it's a rap, all right.

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Speaker 1: There's been point game presented by follow Through, Slow Grind,

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