Speaker 1: Hello fans, and hello my favorite girls. Um So, I
Speaker 1: just wanted to pop in and say hi, as so
Speaker 1: many of you know me and the gals. I mean,
Speaker 1: come on, ladies, we are busy, we have stuff going on,
Speaker 1: and miraculously we've been able to make our schedules work.
Speaker 1: But we are on a crazy week while I'm up
Speaker 1: here in Canada filming my new show, Good Sam and
Speaker 1: Joy is also in Charleston filming a movie, and we
Speaker 1: could not, no matter how hard we tried to get
Speaker 1: a moment where the three of us could get on
Speaker 1: a zoom together. It was two of us, were two
Speaker 1: of us. And so here we are. The gals are
Speaker 1: going to take you through this fabulous episode, and I
Speaker 1: must say it kills me to not be there with
Speaker 1: my other bad girl, Emmanuel j But hey, here we are.
Speaker 1: I know that she is in good hands with the gals,
Speaker 1: And this is basically just me popping in to say
Speaker 1: I wish I could have been here with all of
Speaker 1: you at home and my loves, my sisters. Joanne Hill Ah,
Speaker 1: I can't believe you get to interview on Manuel without me.
Speaker 1: But I love this. I can't wait to listen to
Speaker 1: this episode and obviously be reunited on the next one.
Speaker 1: I can't believe we're almost at the end of season one.
Speaker 1: What this has been perfect? I love you guys. First
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Speaker 1: and four. Wow, welcome guys, Welcome to Drama Queen's Um. Hey,
Speaker 1: it's kind of a special um. It's a special episode
Speaker 1: today because Sophia is off on her fabulous new show,
Speaker 1: Good Sam and we are so proud of her. But
Speaker 1: she is. Her schedule prohibits her from being with us today.
Speaker 1: But we have an amazing girl in place of her,
Speaker 1: an amazing another bad girl. Hey are you taking away?
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, you guys. I think we've made it
Speaker 1: pretty clear that we've got a big crush on Nikki,
Speaker 1: our very own Emmanuel vog So let's just bring her
Speaker 1: in here. Let's bring her in to hit Up episode twenty. Hello, look,
Speaker 1: how beautiful you are. Oh my gosh, it's great to
Speaker 1: see you. Thank you, so great to see you. Guys.
Speaker 1: To my god, have your ears been burning? Because we
Speaker 1: have just been talking about you for weeks now and
Speaker 1: about what a good badass you are. You know, well,
Speaker 1: thank you. I was. I listened to the podcast episode
Speaker 1: because I was like, Okay, I gotta listen to an episode,
Speaker 1: what's going on? And I listened to the one the
Speaker 1: Sparkle Pitts. Oh my god, that yeah, I know. Wouldn't
Speaker 1: that have been great? Right? Were you a cheerleader in
Speaker 1: high school? No, well, growing up in Canada, it's not
Speaker 1: as big a thing. There are cheerleaders. But I mean,
Speaker 1: had it been the way it is in the States,
Speaker 1: I would have been like all over it because I
Speaker 1: love that stuff. But yeah, it's not it's not at
Speaker 1: all the same thing. So no, I was. I would
Speaker 1: have made a terrible cheerleader. It's not cheer late. We
Speaker 1: can start like a midlife squad, like I feel like
Speaker 1: people do weird great exercise. I'm so into that. Where
Speaker 1: are you right now. I'm in Vancouver, Canada. Fantastic. I
Speaker 1: geek out over you, Emmanuel. Everyone knows that Peyton had
Speaker 1: a huge crush on Nikki, even though it was suppressed. Um.
Speaker 1: I think that's where all the tension comes from. Yes,
Speaker 1: we saw that. So there's so much to talk about
Speaker 1: with this episode for me, because this was kind of
Speaker 1: like a sleeper hit episode for me because when it started,
Speaker 1: Hillary and I were when we were watching it, we
Speaker 1: were like, this kind of it's just a catchup. It
Speaker 1: feels like we're just catching the audience up on a
Speaker 1: just nothing's happening. I don't understand what this episode is.
Speaker 1: And then it's fun into So but all this tension
Speaker 1: between Nicki and Peyton, between Brooke and Peyton, between Dan
Speaker 1: and deb Um, the sort of release of Keith and
Speaker 1: Karen finally letting each other go um, and Hayley throwing
Speaker 1: her first party, which we have to talk about at
Speaker 1: some point because thank you. Um. Yeah, so let's get
Speaker 1: into it. So. I I loved seeing Nathan in a
Speaker 1: new job, and I loved also the Peyton Lucas armpit
Speaker 1: action on my God basketball court. Can we talk about
Speaker 1: that effort? Second, what was going on awkward episode overall. Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: they decided to kick things off with a little sexy
Speaker 1: energy of like Peyton stretching out Lucas's shoulder. What was that?
Speaker 1: Is that a real stretch? But they didn't even show
Speaker 1: you stretching his arm. It just the shot was like
Speaker 1: slightly below his shoulders, so it really just looked like
Speaker 1: you were in his armpit, like just digging around for
Speaker 1: a minute. But it only lasted like a few seconds.
Speaker 1: And then so like what is like it's awkward? You know, yeah,
Speaker 1: armpit love. That's not what we're going That's not sexy, guys,
Speaker 1: that's not fun. I mean, so like we we have
Speaker 1: immersed ourselves in like the high school drama of it all,
Speaker 1: which we see on full display in this episode. When
Speaker 1: you first signed on for One Tree Hill, what did
Speaker 1: you know about what you were stepping into, because you
Speaker 1: really did come into a tornado. I had no idea.
Speaker 1: I mean, like they you know, they brought me in
Speaker 1: to read. There was just limited sort of information about it.
Speaker 1: All I knew was I was the new sort of
Speaker 1: batty you can batty sort of yeah, I mean, and
Speaker 1: all that it was is just what was revealed in
Speaker 1: the sides really, And it was the two scenes like
Speaker 1: the Carousel episode, which I hear was very controversial. Like
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm listening to the next podcast, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: what did I what what happened? I don't remember what
Speaker 1: am I stepping into? Um? But but it was that
Speaker 1: in the you know the bar scene where I'm sitting
Speaker 1: at the bar with with Lucas and and we're talking
Speaker 1: like the bus of the crashing of the I remember
Speaker 1: that being like the audition scene. Yeah, that's all I knew.
Speaker 1: The magic trick scene like light and stuff on fire.
Speaker 1: Was Nikkia Pyro? You know she might have been from
Speaker 1: the way things look at this point, a little bit
Speaker 1: of a pyro, a little bit of a witch. Oh yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: let's go down that road. Can we go down that road?
Speaker 1: Let's is Nikki a witch? I'm asking as a witch?
Speaker 1: I think she is. I think I think she's a
Speaker 1: dark witch. I don't think she's a She doesn't work
Speaker 1: for the light. It's not like a farm which or
Speaker 1: a kitchen which she's like, no, I strictly work in hex's.
Speaker 1: She's an angry girl, a girl. She's the picture of
Speaker 1: like what you see when you look up witchcraft in
Speaker 1: the dictionary and like, you know, there's some evil looking,
Speaker 1: you know, sorceress type thing over a crystal ball and
Speaker 1: like flames behind. But you know what, there's a difference
Speaker 1: because that is a sort of an easy trope to play,
Speaker 1: but you added more layers and you that's I think
Speaker 1: one of the things we always left and respected about
Speaker 1: your performances that you it wasn't just ha ha, I'm
Speaker 1: the bad girl twisting my mustache and you know, perking
Speaker 1: my eyebrows, like there was some substance behind where Nikki
Speaker 1: was coming from and you could see the pain in
Speaker 1: spite of all of her bizarre antics. Um. And I'm mean,
Speaker 1: was there a lot of character work for you when
Speaker 1: you because there was there were so many scenes when
Speaker 1: you were like trying to get Jake back together with you,
Speaker 1: and you seemed really sincere. And I believe that this
Speaker 1: is something Nicki actually really did want. She was just
Speaker 1: in her own way so much she didn't know how
Speaker 1: to really go after it and you know, clean up
Speaker 1: her life. But I'd love to know about if you
Speaker 1: remember any specific character work you felt like you had
Speaker 1: to do um to prepare for this or to get
Speaker 1: into it. I remember my my main thoughts on it were,
Speaker 1: you know, it's like you said, it's easy to fall
Speaker 1: into the trope of like I'm just going to be
Speaker 1: the big bad you know, and come in and the
Speaker 1: mustache twirling like in the big like screw you everybody,
Speaker 1: and like, ill watch me do this. Um so I try.
Speaker 1: I I remember thinking going and saying myself, you know,
Speaker 1: there's gotta be a reason people can relate to her
Speaker 1: like her even though she's vile and and and her
Speaker 1: actions contradict some of the things that she says or
Speaker 1: some of the actions that she's had in the past.
Speaker 1: So there needs to be vulnerability and some sort of
Speaker 1: redeeming qualities about her that that are genuine, but said
Speaker 1: because there's so much her life is so much of
Speaker 1: a mess that that stuff overshadows uh, you know, it
Speaker 1: pulls her out. She has moments of clarity and kind
Speaker 1: of wanting to be that person, but then inevitably she's
Speaker 1: so stuck in that world of like survival and everyone
Speaker 1: screwed her over or in her head that's you know,
Speaker 1: that's the story. Um. But yes, but not falling into
Speaker 1: like that was the main thing. I was like making
Speaker 1: a big effort not to fall into the trap of
Speaker 1: just being uh the villain, so to speak. Well, she's
Speaker 1: like the teenage female Dan Scott. You know, both of
Speaker 1: them have kids that they're not necessarily ready for at
Speaker 1: a young age. Dan disappeared on Lucas, and so Nikki
Speaker 1: is trying to do the opposite. She's trying to, you know,
Speaker 1: come back and make up for things, and it's not
Speaker 1: going the way that she thinks it should be going,
Speaker 1: and that's frustrating. And then every time she thinks she's
Speaker 1: helping someone like Lucas or she meets Brooke tonight in
Speaker 1: this bar, she's like, I'm going to help you. I'm
Speaker 1: going to do you a solid, and then it turns
Speaker 1: on her. I can see why. Nikki is just like
Speaker 1: I hate all of you. You guys are so messy.
Speaker 1: I tried to help you ruined it. I tried. I
Speaker 1: tried to help you, and this is what I get.
Speaker 1: Even though she Nikki takes it always like one step
Speaker 1: too far. Yeah, what cracks me up. Those in the
Speaker 1: party's scene I'm watching, I was like, okay, mental note,
Speaker 1: you can't drink that much straight Vodget. Like, I'm constantly
Speaker 1: on the floor. Yeah, I would too, pouring it into
Speaker 1: like the brook is mixing like beer and liquor. And
Speaker 1: I'm just like, have you ever worked in Wilmington's before? Oh?
Speaker 1: That was the first time. And I loved Wilmington's. It
Speaker 1: was like such a I mean, just such a quaint,
Speaker 1: sweet town that I wish I'd gotten to see more of.
Speaker 1: I think I ate it. Every restaurant on that road. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and um, and I I remember like always like either
Speaker 1: like Paul ended up having similar seed. We had time off,
Speaker 1: so we would Paul and I would hang out a lot,
Speaker 1: and I distinctly remember where he lived in downstairs there
Speaker 1: was a restaurant he would keep like a case of
Speaker 1: Deluxe in the back. Yeah. I don't know what was
Speaker 1: it called. It was Deluxe, but okay, and it was
Speaker 1: Deluxki Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They had that like fabulous steak
Speaker 1: that was like blue cheese on that was something like
Speaker 1: you know, back then we were all mystified by the
Speaker 1: fancy food below Paul's apartment. But Paul's a good date.
Speaker 1: Paul's a good person to explore any town with. Were
Speaker 1: you at the Riverview Sweets? I was it was like
Speaker 1: our dorm really because Antoine was there. Who else was
Speaker 1: there while you were there? Um, Jake, Brian, Jake, Bryan Greenberg. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think we were neighbors at one point. Like it
Speaker 1: was Yeah, it was like it was like a dorm.
Speaker 1: It was. It was pretty because yeah, everyone was there.
Speaker 1: That was the was that hotel, and then there was
Speaker 1: the other hotel at the end of the row there.
Speaker 1: It was, oh, the Wilmantonian No, no, you mean the
Speaker 1: one on the water. Yes, yeah, it was like a Hilton.
Speaker 1: I think I remember thinking I was like, oh, that's
Speaker 1: the fancy hotel. We've also been raving. We've been raving
Speaker 1: about Greenberg on this show too. I think we get
Speaker 1: in trouble because we put him on a pedestal and
Speaker 1: we're just like Jake, Jake, Jake, Jake. But he's so
Speaker 1: easy to love Jake Jake. Um for you, had you
Speaker 1: and Brian ever met each other before or you were
Speaker 1: just immediately, you know, thrust into this young parent lifestyle. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so we were thrust into it. You did good work together,
Speaker 1: Thank you. He was easy, I mean, like he was
Speaker 1: really easy to to put I mean, everybody was so
Speaker 1: wonderful and great to work with. It wasn't like you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, like everybody was solid and just brought,
Speaker 1: you know, brought their a game to the table, and
Speaker 1: it was like such a pleasure to be on set
Speaker 1: with that. Well I'm just gonna say it too, Emmanuel.
Speaker 1: We were all intimidated by you because you were so
Speaker 1: good and you were so pretty and you were just
Speaker 1: like a force. And so I think we all brought
Speaker 1: our a game because we're like, I mean, I can
Speaker 1: speak for myself and be like, please like me, please
Speaker 1: like me. Oh my god, baby. I remember just being like, Okay,
Speaker 1: all these guys know each other and they're you know,
Speaker 1: it's like being the first new kid at school, because
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, they're all and I was like,
Speaker 1: I hope they liked me. I hope I'd be like, okay,
Speaker 1: I'll just stay quiet, stay to myself. By I know, Calum. Like, also,
Speaker 1: was that like a Canadian connection? Is that how you
Speaker 1: two connected? You know? Yes? And no, I had run
Speaker 1: into I can't remember if that was the first time
Speaker 1: Paul and I actually hung out, but it became friends.
Speaker 1: But I remember coming up to him and maybe it
Speaker 1: was there and I said, you know, the first time
Speaker 1: I met you. It was when I first moved to
Speaker 1: l A. I was like nineteen years old and I
Speaker 1: was walking down the street in Beverly Hills with my
Speaker 1: little teeny tiny white teacup poodle, remember the poodles. I
Speaker 1: was going. I was going to the coffee bean to
Speaker 1: get a nice blended vanilla ice blended because that was
Speaker 1: my treat for the day. And I'm walking up, but
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, this great dane rears up on
Speaker 1: its hind legs and like it's like and I look
Speaker 1: over and Paul is tall, handsome, you know, dude, He's like,
Speaker 1: oh hello, it starts talking to me, and and that's
Speaker 1: how I met Paul. You're like, is your animal gonna
Speaker 1: eat my dog? I almost ate my dog. It was
Speaker 1: that dog was bigger than I was. It was was
Speaker 1: Damascus was Damascus. Yeah, of course Paul had a great
Speaker 1: dan attract. Okay, so let's you want to get into
Speaker 1: the episode Joy, Let's say, yeah, I mean, well, let's
Speaker 1: talk about I would love to talk about Brooke and Peyton.
Speaker 1: Let's start with there and getting into this great fight,
Speaker 1: which well, let's start with start with Brooke legendary. I
Speaker 1: hope you know that people bring it up all the time,
Speaker 1: and I'm always like, we had fun that day. It
Speaker 1: was so um it looked so real. It was you know,
Speaker 1: it started out a little dynasty and then it went
Speaker 1: into another level of it looked very real, like a
Speaker 1: good scrappy street fight. I was like, Okay, we've got
Speaker 1: the dynamic of like the failed romantic relationships in this episode,
Speaker 1: whether it's like Nicki and Jake, or Brooke and Peyton
Speaker 1: and Lucas you know, or deb and dan Um, but
Speaker 1: those friendship relationships. You know, this breakup between Peyton and
Speaker 1: Brook holds a lot of weight, and it's devastating. And
Speaker 1: I think that they're more broken up about that than necessarily,
Speaker 1: Like the book and Peyton need each other. They're they're
Speaker 1: kind of alone in the world. I mean, I haven't
Speaker 1: seen Peyton's dad in a while. Again, who knows what's
Speaker 1: going on with with Victoria and Brook's dad, and and
Speaker 1: she know she's always just alone. So to see these
Speaker 1: two girls who have clung to each other in the
Speaker 1: storms of life be you know, thrust away from one
Speaker 1: another by some dramatic circumstances is hard to watch. And
Speaker 1: I felt really bad foot two of them and especially
Speaker 1: at the end when they were laying in bed just talking,
Speaker 1: and I felt I could see the two little girls like,
Speaker 1: how do we get back to each other? We need
Speaker 1: each other, you know. Well, it felt like cheating, like
Speaker 1: watching Brooke and Nikki have fun together in the bar
Speaker 1: and then roll into that party. I was like, what
Speaker 1: the what like friend cheating? Have you guys ever had
Speaker 1: a friend cheat on you before? Sure? Yeah, high school
Speaker 1: it's that much more like that's just a big deal
Speaker 1: because it's everything to you and you haven't sort of
Speaker 1: figured out like, Okay, I can take a step back,
Speaker 1: it's not the end of the way. I can go
Speaker 1: talk to someone else for a week. What is loyalty?
Speaker 1: Because you know, you're still trying to figure think those
Speaker 1: concepts and themes out when you're in high school. The
Speaker 1: concept of loyalty. If if I don't like someone, is
Speaker 1: my friend therefore obligated to not like that person because
Speaker 1: I don't Because if you're my friend and that person
Speaker 1: was mean to me, then you stick up for me
Speaker 1: by not liking them too, and then we're both a
Speaker 1: force against that person, you know. I mean, that's definitely
Speaker 1: how a lot of high school. That's how I thought
Speaker 1: in high school in a lot of ways too. So
Speaker 1: I think that plays out for sure, and I don't
Speaker 1: think it. I don't think it helps that the person
Speaker 1: that Brooke is cheating with is also someone connected to Jake,
Speaker 1: who Peyton has shown like a little bit of interesting. Yes, another,
Speaker 1: and then the Lucas revelation is just all the cards
Speaker 1: are put out on the table, and every relationship in
Speaker 1: this episode, like he said, joy it yeah, everything comes
Speaker 1: to a head and it just it's sort of like bam,
Speaker 1: here it is now what you know? Yeah, well yeah,
Speaker 1: And it's when you meet people that are similar to you,
Speaker 1: who have all the same interests as you, it's hard
Speaker 1: not to be competitive. So it tracks that they like
Speaker 1: all the same boys, they like the same girls, they
Speaker 1: hang out in the same places, And so that bars
Speaker 1: that serve high school is alcohol. What is this bar?
Speaker 1: What is this bar? Every time anybody from our show
Speaker 1: goes there, they get served, even though they're under Did
Speaker 1: you party at the Blue Post when you were in town, Emmanuel,
Speaker 1: I don't remember it, which would be probably a yes.
Speaker 1: Time had a great time. The bartender, the bartender who's
Speaker 1: had all the scenes with you is a guy named
Speaker 1: Dean who we made friends with because he was a
Speaker 1: part of the improv comedy scene in Wilmington's um and
Speaker 1: he hosted the karaoke nights at Level five for a
Speaker 1: long time. So it was like they got our bartender
Speaker 1: to be the bartender in the show. I love that
Speaker 1: he did give one look when you ordered the vodka
Speaker 1: for Brooke. He just like kind of threw a look
Speaker 1: over shoulder, like she's in high school. I know I'm
Speaker 1: not supposed to serve her, but it's in the script.
Speaker 1: So whatever did you party in high school? Um, towards
Speaker 1: the end of high school? Yeah, park parties were a
Speaker 1: big thing in I don't know if that was a thing.
Speaker 1: What's a park party? Park parties? Like? Because you were underage, right,
Speaker 1: so you like everyone would like be like, okay, let's
Speaker 1: meet it. Um, you know such and such a playground,
Speaker 1: it's such and such a school beers and like, you know,
Speaker 1: and you're sitting until the cops came, and then you
Speaker 1: don't make a mad dash for it, hide your booze
Speaker 1: in the bushes, and then like you run off. It
Speaker 1: was the most ridiculous thing. But it's like if we
Speaker 1: couldn't find somebody's house, then that's what we would go do. Um,
Speaker 1: so that we were parties parties, We're gonna this is
Speaker 1: the like urban legend stuff I would hear about as
Speaker 1: a child, Like you go in would be graffiti all
Speaker 1: over the playground. You're like, who does this? As those
Speaker 1: park party kids? Up? Did you guys party in high school? Well?
Speaker 1: So I was a real clean team. Like I had
Speaker 1: a group of friends and we didn't drink, and we
Speaker 1: didn't smoke, and we didn't hook up with dudes. But
Speaker 1: we would go to the parties and just kind of
Speaker 1: you know, when you know you're gonna get made fun of, Judge,
Speaker 1: when you know you're gonna get made fun of, so
Speaker 1: you just like own it real hard and you're like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, I'm gonna, you know, make it a thing.
Speaker 1: Um we ended up making fun of it in the show.
Speaker 1: I didn't party much either. I was a pretty I
Speaker 1: was a pretty tame kid. I mean I definitely relate
Speaker 1: to Hayley feeling like nobody's going to show up if
Speaker 1: I throw this party, because I'd have for sure thrown
Speaker 1: a couple of fet FETs. I don't know, um that
Speaker 1: nobody that like very slim Pickings shows up at and
Speaker 1: then I'm just sitting there alone, like, no, wait, okay,
Speaker 1: so let's talk about the Hailey party thrown at all
Speaker 1: because I loved how John Hughes this storyline was for you.
Speaker 1: You looked the part you had, like the sixteen candles
Speaker 1: top on so much so cute. My hair got increasingly
Speaker 1: more curly as the episode went on, and I don't
Speaker 1: know if that was the weather or if it was
Speaker 1: me being like, I don't care if it doesn't match,
Speaker 1: I want it curly, which is totally possible. And I
Speaker 1: did that when I was every single girl in every
Speaker 1: single scene, meaning that our hairdressers on the show had
Speaker 1: to pass us off to other people. That's what it is. Oh,
Speaker 1: that's what it was. Yeah, that's right. We were all
Speaker 1: just kind of crammed into the room together and it
Speaker 1: was like, just make it work, make it work. Um.
Speaker 1: I love Tayley throwing the party. I loved the idea
Speaker 1: that this is her sort of popularity coming out, and
Speaker 1: she felt so nervous and insecure about it. I love
Speaker 1: that everybody did show up so she didn't end up
Speaker 1: feeling alone. But then of course the cops came and
Speaker 1: the whole thing got and you had to hide your
Speaker 1: drinks in the bushes, and then we had to show
Speaker 1: drinks in the bushes, and that was it. The next thing,
Speaker 1: I was at the policest stage. Damn, yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think if I was ever. You know,
Speaker 1: we had the police called on our parties when I
Speaker 1: lived in that haunted house in Wilmington's Man, you will
Speaker 1: you drive her come over to my house? No? Girl
Speaker 1: in Yeah? Yeah, I think it was like right after
Speaker 1: you left. I moved into it um and we would
Speaker 1: have Halloween parties where the cops would show up and
Speaker 1: and thankfully, like James didn't answer the door because the
Speaker 1: rest of us had just turned twenty one, like we
Speaker 1: were barely skating by. Otherwise the bushes in downtown Wilmingtons
Speaker 1: would have been un this James gets his first job,
Speaker 1: Nathan gets his first job in this. What was your
Speaker 1: first job? Oh, I believe? Oh I worked at Ovens marvelous. Yes,
Speaker 1: that's so good, Flory, what was your first job? My god,
Speaker 1: I worked so many jobs trying to save up money
Speaker 1: to move to New York City. So I started at
Speaker 1: Sports Authority, which was like a nightmare. There was a
Speaker 1: man who was not a match for you, babe. This
Speaker 1: dude was a felon who the rumor was he murdered
Speaker 1: someone and he worked in the back area where you
Speaker 1: would have to go do returns, and he was always like,
Speaker 1: you look like nicky kidman, and I was just like, oh,
Speaker 1: you don't know her well enough to call her nikki him.
Speaker 1: And then I finally quit there and got a job
Speaker 1: at the supermarket, the same supermarket chain where my mother
Speaker 1: my father met when she was a teenager and where
Speaker 1: my brothers all worked in the pharmacy. And it was
Speaker 1: just too much. And then I started um working at
Speaker 1: a Buffalo wing factory and I started I was like
Speaker 1: bar attending. It wasn't totally legal, but it was the
Speaker 1: year Coyote Ugly came out, and I was like for
Speaker 1: that girl, No, I was working on a real bar. Child.
Speaker 1: The deal was I was allowed to pour the beer.
Speaker 1: I wasn't allowed to walk it to the table, which
Speaker 1: I think it doesn't make any sense, right if you're
Speaker 1: underage around would make more sense, like, yeah, pick it
Speaker 1: up and walk into the table and that was it.
Speaker 1: But you had no business pouring it or being in
Speaker 1: contact with the open bottle tips or tips friends. I
Speaker 1: was a team sad. What about you? You were making movies? Joy? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean my first my first jobs were TV jobs
Speaker 1: like UM commercials and pilots and stuff like that. But
Speaker 1: my first reg non circus job was circus. I worked
Speaker 1: at a UM. I think I worked at the French Connection,
Speaker 1: you know, the clothing store. I think I was in
Speaker 1: there just like dressing the mannequins, and all I wanted
Speaker 1: to do is do window dressing. And then when I
Speaker 1: moved to New York City, UM, when I was done
Speaker 1: with my soap opera that I was on, I got
Speaker 1: a regular, normal job at a perfumery and so I
Speaker 1: got to make perfume for people all day, which is
Speaker 1: super fun. You had told me when we first met
Speaker 1: that you were going to go work in a florish
Speaker 1: shop because you sent me flowers. You sent me flowers
Speaker 1: for something, and you came to my house and there
Speaker 1: was baby's breath in there, and you were like, I
Speaker 1: told them not to put some baby's breath in thereby
Speaker 1: so taggy I did. Don't get your girl's flowers with
Speaker 1: baby's breath and them just take it out and then
Speaker 1: wrap that in a brown paper bag or something. Don't
Speaker 1: leave the plastic gun, don't you know. I did work
Speaker 1: at a florist in l A. That was my first job.
Speaker 1: I got to l A and I was like, I
Speaker 1: need a job, So I went into a florist shop
Speaker 1: and they hired me. It's a skill set that's last
Speaker 1: to do forever. Was it a walk down memory lane
Speaker 1: to see anything at this job? Emmanuel kicking it in
Speaker 1: the mall already watching it last night, I was like, wow,
Speaker 1: I remember, I remember that, and like the cleaning at
Speaker 1: the end of the night, Like you're there in the
Speaker 1: empty mall and it's kind of you know, just like huh.
Speaker 1: And then you're like, I gotta get home on the
Speaker 1: bus and you're like, yeah, it did bring back memories
Speaker 1: of that. And what about that carousel, the infamous carousel
Speaker 1: in the mall? How did you feel about that? I mean,
Speaker 1: it was the first episode. I was I didn't rewatch
Speaker 1: that episode yet, but uh, do you remember when we
Speaker 1: were filming it, Like how you felt about it when
Speaker 1: you saw the script come in And I don't know
Speaker 1: what did you think? Uh? You know, I was like, well,
Speaker 1: I'm the you know, I'm the seductress and the villain
Speaker 1: and this, and you know, I guess this is this
Speaker 1: is what what I'm doing. I just remember extensive wardrobe
Speaker 1: talks about what it was I was going to wear
Speaker 1: to straddle him on the carousel, you know, like all
Speaker 1: this stuff. I was like, I don't think when you
Speaker 1: were a kid and you're like I want to be
Speaker 1: an actor that it would boil down to like straddling
Speaker 1: wardrobe conferensation. When she straddles him and takes her top off,
Speaker 1: what brau should we wear? And also like, you know,
Speaker 1: like how stretchy should the skirt be so she can
Speaker 1: like really straddle them? Yeah, not just like a polite
Speaker 1: side saddle western saddle. We just I just could not
Speaker 1: get over the fact that they were in a mall
Speaker 1: after hours and the carousel lights were still on and
Speaker 1: there were no security cameras. No one stopped them. It
Speaker 1: was like there were too many. By the way, the
Speaker 1: security guards at that mall were just like, cool, this
Speaker 1: is great, let let them go out for a whiles.
Speaker 1: It was I mean, those scenes are always awkward and
Speaker 1: kind of you know, whatever to shoot, and uh, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was what it was. I think. I mean, I
Speaker 1: did put a whole lot of thought into it at
Speaker 1: the time. You know, I'm sure looking it was normal
Speaker 1: back then, you know what I mean In these days
Speaker 1: and times, that would have been a completely different conversation
Speaker 1: and and a like, okay, we're rewriting this. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: and also, Nikki's a little bit older than us. We've
Speaker 1: talked about that as well. Was it clear that Nikki
Speaker 1: was in college because she says sometimes like tuition, but
Speaker 1: then she also talks about being a teenager. Did you
Speaker 1: know she was supposed to be a few years older?
Speaker 1: It was never really addressed like specifically in this, you know,
Speaker 1: in the scenes or in this it was sort of
Speaker 1: the yeah, like referenced, but not really talked about. So yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I like that she's still going to high school parties, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: she's got to high school parties and seducing like high
Speaker 1: school boys. Oh my god, you're the Matthew McConaughey. It's
Speaker 1: like des and confused. So good. Well. Barbara had some
Speaker 1: lingerie action in this episode as well, which um, I
Speaker 1: think she we remembered her not wanting to do that.
Speaker 1: I have to we have to ask her about it.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure, but she was pissed that she had
Speaker 1: to pull the shirt up over her head because it
Speaker 1: just is an awkward thing to do on camera. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: this would have been like a button thing. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: would have been great. Yeah. I like when we were
Speaker 1: last night, it did kind of catch me off. I mean,
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, I get what they were going for,
Speaker 1: but in my head, I was like, yeah, but it
Speaker 1: felt like it just felt a little out of It
Speaker 1: felt like a forced moment. Not because of the acting,
Speaker 1: but the writing felt like a forced moment to me
Speaker 1: because she was actually really upset and he was totally
Speaker 1: gaslighting her in that moment, and you know, just do
Speaker 1: pulling all of his manipulative that suddenly now she's turned
Speaker 1: on by I just wish there had been some sort
Speaker 1: of if he had I don't know, if the if
Speaker 1: the fight had had felt a little bit more like
Speaker 1: he was fighting for her in in some new way,
Speaker 1: rather than him attacking her and suddenly shirt off, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. There is a pheromone thing that
Speaker 1: I didn't understand as a young person, and now as
Speaker 1: an adult, I'm like, oh, man, chemicals are a real thing.
Speaker 1: Like you can't be technically attracted to a person who
Speaker 1: makes you an insane Um, maybe that's what it is.
Speaker 1: Maybe Dan has strung long pheromone action. Yeah, it could be.
Speaker 1: It could be. I mean, and she was drinking, so
Speaker 1: I guess that sort of you know, listened to her
Speaker 1: up a little bit with this whole conversation. Moral of
Speaker 1: the story, friends, don't drink with your ex husband. Yeah. God.
Speaker 1: But you know what was what really got me about it?
Speaker 1: I mean when when they started making out, it was like,
Speaker 1: oh wow, that, you know, the first time we get
Speaker 1: to see um Dan and and deb really being romantic
Speaker 1: with each other. That's not a tender thing, but like
Speaker 1: a passionate romance, which we've never seen with them before.
Speaker 1: But what really got me is that the end, when
Speaker 1: he comes back and pulls that classic narcissist of I'm
Speaker 1: the one leaving you now I'm going to bring it
Speaker 1: back in. He just keeps proving over and over. Yes.
Speaker 1: Well it's like, yeah, I got, I got what I wanted.
Speaker 1: I wanted that one last sort of like to see
Speaker 1: how great we used to be and you yea, And
Speaker 1: now I wanted you to want me again and for
Speaker 1: me to be able to show you what it's like
Speaker 1: for me to leave when you want me. Oh, it's
Speaker 1: just he just keeps proving over and over how broken
Speaker 1: he is. This is why I've got a theory. Guys,
Speaker 1: your favorite body of water is it resembles your personality, right,
Speaker 1: Like there are people that are like the ocean, and
Speaker 1: they come and they come back to it, and they
Speaker 1: go out and they come back to and they go
Speaker 1: out and they come back to it. I have always
Speaker 1: been a river person. The water is never the same. Ever,
Speaker 1: it just keeps on running downhill man. And so once
Speaker 1: I'm gone, I'm gone forever. It's never coming back. And
Speaker 1: I'm saying all the debs out there, don't kiss him again,
Speaker 1: don't do it, don't do it, Just get it out
Speaker 1: of your I'm a lake person. I don't know what
Speaker 1: that means. What does that mean? Hillary? Um? Deep waters
Speaker 1: so deep sometimes you'll never touch the bottom, like they're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: sometimes I'll just stay and places I shouldn't stay. The
Speaker 1: water doesn't bring you a canoe. I'll come get you
Speaker 1: down your river and bring me up over here. Manuela,
Speaker 1: Are you a body of water? Are you? Um? I'd
Speaker 1: say I'm a mix between the like a river and
Speaker 1: the ocean, like I have been guilty of being the
Speaker 1: ocean before. But when I'm done that, what like, there's
Speaker 1: no like, when I'm truly done, the wall comes up.
Speaker 1: It's over. There's no going back, Like I can't um
Speaker 1: make like when somebody's crossed that line, I'm just like okay.
Speaker 1: Now now it's really like there's no going back for
Speaker 1: me because that trust is broken. Everything it's just too broken.
Speaker 1: It's when you're like the inter Coastal Waterway and you
Speaker 1: turn into salt water at a certain point, you went
Speaker 1: from being fresh water salt water salty salty about this
Speaker 1: in there, but then yeah, uh um talking about salty,
Speaker 1: said here's uh Lucas telling Keith, I wanted you to
Speaker 1: be my dad. Um. This breakup between Karen and Keith,
Speaker 1: we said when we were watching, were like, it's like
Speaker 1: watching your parents get divorced, except they were never married,
Speaker 1: so you don't get the same grief process, you know,
Speaker 1: like Nathan gets to have that grief process of my
Speaker 1: parents are a mess. But Lucas had fantasized about Karen
Speaker 1: and Keith being his parents, and now it's that dream
Speaker 1: is dying. It's hard to watch a dream like that die,
Speaker 1: especially as a kid when you I mean he had
Speaker 1: been holding onto that hope, I think as much as
Speaker 1: Keith had. It was hard to it's hard to see
Speaker 1: that die. Did you get to a wee moment too?
Speaker 1: Between the two of them? I was like, Wow, that
Speaker 1: was really touching and like and for him as a
Speaker 1: as a young man to go and actually how that conversation,
Speaker 1: Like how hard that must be? Too? Well, And you're
Speaker 1: getting to see multiple sides of Lucas because you were
Speaker 1: dealing with sexy Lucas in the beginning and now you're
Speaker 1: seeing you know, like the conversation you guys had on
Speaker 1: the porch a couple episodes ago, and like watching him
Speaker 1: today be like, hey, listen, I kept your secret. I'm
Speaker 1: trying to be a good person. You know. Chad does
Speaker 1: a really really good job at plane those little boy
Speaker 1: feelings of like like I just want my parents to
Speaker 1: get along. I don't want my dad to leave. I
Speaker 1: don't you know this girl is going to make trouble
Speaker 1: and I just really want Haley to have a nice party.
Speaker 1: And you know when he goes into little boy mode,
Speaker 1: he doesn't really I love that when he does that
Speaker 1: me too. Not every dude's up for it. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he does it very well. He really embraces that. And
Speaker 1: I think that's what we loved about Lucas in the beginning,
Speaker 1: you know, the sort of college bad boy Lucas we
Speaker 1: all were really thrown off track with. And it didn't
Speaker 1: it felt really insincere, probably for a reason because this
Speaker 1: is Chad's sweet spot as an actor. I think being
Speaker 1: in this zone with Um the sincere, you know, a
Speaker 1: little a little there's a little boy that wants to
Speaker 1: come out that you know is vulnerable, and I think
Speaker 1: that he really did a nice job with that. Well,
Speaker 1: we didn't get to see you hold your baby in
Speaker 1: this episode, Emmanuel Um, but we saw Karen holding your baby,
Speaker 1: which is random but a useful tool because it allowed
Speaker 1: us to visualize what Karen Keith and Lucas were when
Speaker 1: he was a baby, and it allowed us to visualize
Speaker 1: what they potentially could be except she's just not in
Speaker 1: love with him. Did you feel at the end, like
Speaker 1: when she's fixing his tie and he finally like he
Speaker 1: or no not once started after that when he comes
Speaker 1: back and says he got he's got the job and
Speaker 1: it's finally real and he's leaving, I saw like a
Speaker 1: moment of sort of hesitation, kind of like going, oh crap,
Speaker 1: this is I screwed up, like maybe like threight a minute,
Speaker 1: this is like I don't know how I feel about this,
Speaker 1: And there was I don't like. I saw that moment
Speaker 1: in her eyes and it was such it was so
Speaker 1: beautifully played, so subtle, but it was like just her
Speaker 1: whole demeanor changed. Moira was really good at that. She's
Speaker 1: so good at subtext. She's so good at using her
Speaker 1: eyes to express what's not on paper. And that question
Speaker 1: mark is what makes the performance like fun. You know,
Speaker 1: if we knew that Karen really didn't love him, would
Speaker 1: be like, okay, move on next. You know who's she
Speaker 1: going to kiss now? Um? But that question mark is real. Um.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you have gotten to interact with
Speaker 1: the little girl who played baby Jenny. Have you guys
Speaker 1: ever met after like like later, yeah, grace hold them? Well?
Speaker 1: There was there was of her babies when I was there,
Speaker 1: there was you had a couple of everyone. Yeah, there
Speaker 1: was a few different ones because and then as she
Speaker 1: got older than there were twins and so I don't know,
Speaker 1: I haven't you would be so proud of her. She
Speaker 1: is in her freshman year of college. She is like
Speaker 1: a nationally ranked golfer, like on like p g A,
Speaker 1: you know, like she's gonna be I love that she
Speaker 1: stayed in touch and tracked tracked with her because her
Speaker 1: mother was a stand in on Dawson's Creek and on
Speaker 1: our show. And so that's how we got baby Jenny
Speaker 1: because her mom has been a part of our film
Speaker 1: community in Wilmington for years. But she is the most
Speaker 1: remarkable young woman, Like during the pandemic she started a
Speaker 1: candle company to raise money for charity. And she's just
Speaker 1: so cool. She's so you would be so proud, NICKI,
Speaker 1: of your little baby because she's so my little girl. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I don't remember what happens, But does NICKI
Speaker 1: maintain custody of Jenny? Like what happens? I feel like
Speaker 1: I disappear, Like I just up and go one day.
Speaker 1: I think so too. I think you do too. I
Speaker 1: think I think it's like I think it actually seems
Speaker 1: like you're getting your together and it's actually going to
Speaker 1: start to something's gonna work, and then you just disappear again.
Speaker 1: Because women are the devil. Of course, we can tell
Speaker 1: so many I'll tell you what, though, Nikki and Brooke
Speaker 1: in that bar was so delicious. I really did enjoy
Speaker 1: watching all that wickedness just you know, it was so fun.
Speaker 1: It was so fun watching you guys in this the
Speaker 1: one liners between you two. I could watch that whole show.
Speaker 1: It's like the Dark Laverne and Shirley. Yes, well, the
Speaker 1: the moment that she makes, like the brush off she
Speaker 1: gives to the guy before rush, Like who that is?
Speaker 1: That is? Damn? It was delicious. Yeah, well we can
Speaker 1: talk about Sophia because she's not here. They gave Sophia
Speaker 1: so much heavy lifting because she would have to go
Speaker 1: from being so emotional in certain scenes to also like
Speaker 1: scathing and evil and brutal, you know, with the one
Speaker 1: liners and the scripting for Brooke is so fun in
Speaker 1: this episode because it really does there's a wide range
Speaker 1: of stuff that she has to cover. Um, and that
Speaker 1: defense mechanism that young women put up is a strong
Speaker 1: play for Brook. It's like, well, if you're gonna hurt
Speaker 1: my feelings, I'm going to make sure I cut your
Speaker 1: head off. Um. It's a prayin mantis move and I'm
Speaker 1: drawn to it. Yeah, right, Like Nikki is being self
Speaker 1: destructive and anyone who can see through the veneer of like,
Speaker 1: oh I'm tough, I'm tough, I'm bad, I'm lippy. Um,
Speaker 1: you can see that this is a girl that is
Speaker 1: hurting deeply. And did you have any conversations with anybody
Speaker 1: about what that hurt was or or you just had
Speaker 1: to make it up on your own. I just made
Speaker 1: it up on my own, I mean I think, Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think it was like a specific
Speaker 1: conversation with anyone, like any of the writers or people involved.
Speaker 1: I think it was just something that I, you know,
Speaker 1: I recognized that that there was a lot of scars
Speaker 1: and the history there, and to bringing that to the
Speaker 1: table was important instead of the you know, the evolution
Speaker 1: of the character and and just her you know, presence
Speaker 1: on screen. What was people's reaction to you? Like when
Speaker 1: these things, do you remember people would like there would
Speaker 1: be people be like, oh my god, you're Nikki. I
Speaker 1: love to hate you, like, you know, like they would
Speaker 1: come up to me and be like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I hate your character so much, but it's so much
Speaker 1: fun to watch. And I was like that's great, so great. Wait,
Speaker 1: so okay, what is what was crazier working on a
Speaker 1: teen drama or working on two and a half Men,
Speaker 1: because you have been able to handle a lot of
Speaker 1: different personalities. I mean, well behind the same stuff counts too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I don't like see I generally have stayed
Speaker 1: like with the two and a half Man stuff, I
Speaker 1: stayed out of that whole, you know, like I was there,
Speaker 1: that wasn't something I was directly involved with, Like it was. Yes,
Speaker 1: I was involved with it, but not that way, you know,
Speaker 1: So it didn't it didn't change my relationships with anyone
Speaker 1: on the show, or with Charlie or with you know.
Speaker 1: And then um so yeah, I don't know. I I
Speaker 1: tend to try to stay out of the pick of
Speaker 1: the drama. And yeah, You've always been very professional. I
Speaker 1: mean as I definitely remember when you came down to
Speaker 1: Wilmington that you were so you're just so professional. And
Speaker 1: that's one of the reasons why we were so intimidated
Speaker 1: by you two, because you just you knew exactly what
Speaker 1: you were there to do, and you showed up and
Speaker 1: you were kind to everyone, and you know, knew nobody
Speaker 1: had to tell you how to find your mark or
Speaker 1: I mean, you were just a consummate professional, and you
Speaker 1: weren't involved in any of the behind the scenes drama
Speaker 1: or anything. You know, it's really it's nice too. It's
Speaker 1: nice to be around that. Oh thank you. Yeah, I thought.
Speaker 1: I think also too, like I wasn't for for One
Speaker 1: Tree Hill, I wasn't there, you know, for every episode.
Speaker 1: I'm sure when it's different. When you're there day in
Speaker 1: and day out for months and months and years at
Speaker 1: a time, inevitably there's there's stuff that comes up, and
Speaker 1: situations and issues come up that you deal with appropriately
Speaker 1: at the time. But yeah, and also being young on
Speaker 1: a show like that, it completely it's like high school
Speaker 1: but with money. Totally terrible combination. Totally, it's not a
Speaker 1: good combot can we um? Well, we could always come
Speaker 1: back to that too. Sorry. I just wanted to because
Speaker 1: we haven't talked about Peyton yet in this episode, and
Speaker 1: I just wanted to say that, like, it was really
Speaker 1: nice to see Peyton happy and like having a great time,
Speaker 1: like she she and you and Lucas had such a
Speaker 1: good report and you know, there was like great music
Speaker 1: going on, and you just seemed so light and happy
Speaker 1: until the very end, when you know, Nikki was like
Speaker 1: you know, the happy Stuff is harder for me to play.
Speaker 1: I always am really judgmental of my own performances with
Speaker 1: happy stuff because I know I'm really yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: But the one thing that I like about it is
Speaker 1: that it makes Peyton more juvenile. You know. Um, it's
Speaker 1: really hard to it's really hard to sexualize or just
Speaker 1: kind of um misinterpret like a goofy kid, you know.
Speaker 1: And when people's like being happy and just like this,
Speaker 1: mand's neat mr. Um. I appreciate those moments of childishness,
Speaker 1: if that makes sense. Um. I like that she's committing
Speaker 1: to this like platonic thing, and I I believe her,
Speaker 1: like I believe that she's legitimately trying to be platonic
Speaker 1: with Lucas, because if she can just make that work,
Speaker 1: if she can just like prove like, hey, we're just friends,
Speaker 1: regardless of how I've felt in the past, regardless of
Speaker 1: how I may secretly still feel, maybe Brooke will take
Speaker 1: me back. You know. It's it's like she's doing the work.
Speaker 1: I loved it. But have you guys ever done those
Speaker 1: scenes though, where you have to pretend like you're having
Speaker 1: the best time ever or that you love something so
Speaker 1: much like metal um in eighties metal guys, it's the
Speaker 1: coolest and you just I don't know, I always feel
Speaker 1: so funny doing it. It's way easier for me to cry. Actually,
Speaker 1: Like watching the episode, I was like, Wow, she's just
Speaker 1: so like cool and fun and free, like it be
Speaker 1: so free and not like in very comfortable and in
Speaker 1: your just in your body and just kind of like it.
Speaker 1: I was watching those scenes, I was like, Wow, it's
Speaker 1: really They're really nice to watch. Um, So it doesn't
Speaker 1: it doesn't come across as disingenuine or um that you're
Speaker 1: not actually happy about it and that you don't actually
Speaker 1: love metal, metal head love metal. Can you imagine me
Speaker 1: going to pick my son up from school? Like just
Speaker 1: like metaled Out, slip Knot, can the car gus? Well,
Speaker 1: do we have any fan questions? Where are we at?
Speaker 1: My last fan questions? These are interesting? Well, we're talking
Speaker 1: about music. Go for it Hill, Okay, So Ashton asks.
Speaker 1: So many of the bands, artists and songs I loved
Speaker 1: in high school were featured on the show Jimmy Eat World, Fallout, Boy,
Speaker 1: Jack's Mannequin, The list goes on. So my question to
Speaker 1: you guys is, what was a soundtrack to your high
Speaker 1: school experience and who were the heavy hitters on your
Speaker 1: mixtapes and mixed CDs. That's a great question. Yes, Dave Matthew,
Speaker 1: I mean Under the Table and Dreaming. Dave Matthews album
Speaker 1: was everything. I remember we took a senior trip to Greece.
Speaker 1: That was our class trip. I know, crazy. I went
Speaker 1: to Myrtle Beach, Joy you went to greet and I
Speaker 1: had that soundtrack on my walkman, and I just remember
Speaker 1: walking the streets of Greece like this. I was totally
Speaker 1: broken hearted about a boy, of course, and he was
Speaker 1: on the trip but not paying any attention to me,
Speaker 1: And it was just it was like the most heartbreaking
Speaker 1: romantic thing ever to be wandering through these you know,
Speaker 1: Grecian streets listening to Dave Matthews band. But that and
Speaker 1: then that Jewel album and Fiona Apple. When Fiona Apple
Speaker 1: came out with was It Criminal? I can't remember the
Speaker 1: name of this slow like honey off that album? Is
Speaker 1: that whole record? Yeah? And the Jewel Pieces of You album,
Speaker 1: Those those three were Cheryl Crow too. Um but yeah,
Speaker 1: that was the major soundtrack of my life. What about you, guys, say? Um,
Speaker 1: I mean Atlanta's Morrisset when she first come. Yes, that was.
Speaker 1: I remember listening to a lot of lass More Set
Speaker 1: and then Madonna, Like I was a big eighties music
Speaker 1: like anything eighties, but Madonna I distinctly remember, and I
Speaker 1: was like, really, I was maybe like in second grade
Speaker 1: or something, and I had my little tape for quarter
Speaker 1: thing with the Madonna or No, it wasn't second grade.
Speaker 1: It was like maybe fifth grade because I'd gone to
Speaker 1: the mall and like saved up enough money to like
Speaker 1: by you know, the Madonna like a Virgin album was
Speaker 1: at people, like a Virgin in my bed, like dancing around.
Speaker 1: My dad walks and he's like and he's like, what
Speaker 1: are you listening to Madonna like Virgin. He's like, Nope,
Speaker 1: you shouldn't be dancing two things you don't know about.
Speaker 1: And then he just like shut the door and walked
Speaker 1: out so confused. And now I look at Yeah, that
Speaker 1: was That was a rough one. I was a little
Speaker 1: bit lost the first couple of years of high school,
Speaker 1: and then I really got obsessed with androgyny and discovered
Speaker 1: boy George, David Bowie Andie Lennox like all in one
Speaker 1: fell swoop and I just felt like I found my
Speaker 1: safe space. And I had pictures of boy George from
Speaker 1: Culture Club all over my bedroom, all over my locker.
Speaker 1: I had a whole like block of class that was
Speaker 1: just student government, and I used that time not to
Speaker 1: run our school effectively, but to use the printer to
Speaker 1: print out pictures of boy George and so my so
Speaker 1: totally tracks that. Like the second I got to Manhattan
Speaker 1: at eighteen years old, I was like, where the drag upsy?
Speaker 1: It's so good? Yeah, that was that was my scene,
Speaker 1: just driving in my cutlast listening to Culture Club was
Speaker 1: the jam um. But let's talk about then, like what
Speaker 1: would our characters be doing? You know, we talked a
Speaker 1: number of times about how unsettling it was that people
Speaker 1: just kept walking into peyton House house. This episode was gross,
Speaker 1: just everybody just at all hours walking into house, Like
Speaker 1: turning around and finding Brooks standing there over her bed
Speaker 1: with the light shining through the slats in the windows shades.
Speaker 1: I was like, I get that she's about to lay down.
Speaker 1: It's going to be a sweet moment, but she's it's
Speaker 1: a bad way to kick it off. So I think
Speaker 1: that Peyton in her adulthood is going to be very Um,
Speaker 1: there's gonna be a lot of triggers for her, you know, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: no one's coming into her daughter's room, you know, door open,
Speaker 1: feet on the floor. We have monitors, ring doorbells everywhere,
Speaker 1: everywhere where, it's just ring cameras everywhere. I think Hayley
Speaker 1: is Haley has been such a goody two shoes her
Speaker 1: whole life that she probably is like living out some
Speaker 1: wild years right now. That's my instinct throwing parties all
Speaker 1: the time. This was just the first case, all kinds
Speaker 1: of parties. What's NICKI up too? Did she ever get
Speaker 1: herself together? Um? I feel like she she's uh like
Speaker 1: twenty gosh, twenty years later. Um, I mean I feel
Speaker 1: like she's living in a small town working at a diner,
Speaker 1: trying to make meat and just you know, like she's
Speaker 1: just living a very sort of quiet life and maybe
Speaker 1: maybe still is still facing her demons and hasn't interesting.
Speaker 1: She's not still at the pool hall now, She's like
Speaker 1: the salty brown in the corner. Hey, kids, you need it,
Speaker 1: you need a fake I d kid, I know where
Speaker 1: I get on my God. So that okay, So mano,
Speaker 1: tell us what you're doing now, because that's what I
Speaker 1: want to know. What are you working on now? I'm well,
Speaker 1: right now, I was working on Supergirl earlier this year,
Speaker 1: and then Thank You, and then I did like an
Speaker 1: independent movie, and then I spent the summer showing my
Speaker 1: horse and was playing with So that's basically you know.
Speaker 1: Now it's like pouring rein here, um, and I'm kind
Speaker 1: of like the horse loves it here. So I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 1: we're gonna stay here for a while and hang out
Speaker 1: because there's more space and just you know, where is
Speaker 1: your horse normally? Um? While I was in l a um,
Speaker 1: so you shipped shipped him up or her up? Thou
Speaker 1: um last year at the end of last year, I
Speaker 1: shipped her up when I should have just ridden her.
Speaker 1: I would have watched the documentary Emmanuel just riding this
Speaker 1: beautiful stallion across the border? Or is it a what's
Speaker 1: what's the right word? Yeah, I'm learning, guys, it's a lady.
Speaker 1: What's her name? Bunny? Oh, my horse's name is Buddy. Buddy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So what kind of horse do you have? He's a
Speaker 1: quarter horse. He's just a dark, dark, dark brown, almost
Speaker 1: black quarter horse and he's a nineteen years old so
Speaker 1: he's he's you know, he's had a good long life,
Speaker 1: but um, he's just kind of happy to be grazing
Speaker 1: right now. He's not he's kind of an asshole. He
Speaker 1: because he's just like, I'm just not into it. I
Speaker 1: put in my time woman name. His name was Bunny
Speaker 1: when I got him, and I just didn't like it
Speaker 1: for a male horse. I wasn't into it, and he
Speaker 1: didn't seem to fit his personality at all, to be honest,
Speaker 1: because then an asshole. Yeah, So I called him Buddy
Speaker 1: because I didn't want him to, like, at nineteen years old,
Speaker 1: get a new name. But I feel like Buddy was
Speaker 1: a little closer to this is the Christmas movie I
Speaker 1: Want this Year where Emmanuel's horse teaches Joy's horse the
Speaker 1: true meaning of Christmas and to stop being so grumpy.
Speaker 1: Nikki could disappear and be a cowgirl. That's an alternate
Speaker 1: lifestyle likest to the barrel day. She became a barrel. Yes,
Speaker 1: there we go that. I like a brighter future for her.
Speaker 1: And she found herself because she started working with horses
Speaker 1: and like therapeutically and she and she found healing in
Speaker 1: that and then decided that that was her true passion
Speaker 1: and it was healthy for her to be in that world.
Speaker 1: She could totally show up on yellow Stone like her
Speaker 1: and Beth would be best friends. Great, should we spend
Speaker 1: the wheel? Guy? Yeah, let's do it all right. You
Speaker 1: know how this works many Well, we have our most
Speaker 1: likely to every week, and this week it is most
Speaker 1: likely to be listed on the Fortune five hundred. So
Speaker 1: we pick a cast member, a real life person, and
Speaker 1: a character who would be the ps likely to make
Speaker 1: it on the place. James Lafferty is he monlent with money?
Speaker 1: He makes very good choices with money? And why does
Speaker 1: mouth work for every answer? Yeah, I mean mouth has
Speaker 1: going to pretty much everything. Um, who made money? I
Speaker 1: mean Brooke made money with clothes over bros Right? Or
Speaker 1: what happened? Yeah yeah that was a big company. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: that does track and Sophia. By the way, so Fia
Speaker 1: has three hundred jobs at any given point, hence her
Speaker 1: not being here. Today's person I've ever met in my life,
Speaker 1: and I'm just like, I'll have what she's hall He
Speaker 1: in Canada too, like I heard on the because I was,
Speaker 1: you know, stocking you guys on the episodes what happens
Speaker 1: on JOHNA Queen's. But I heard she was in Canada.
Speaker 1: I'm like, she's in Toronto. Yeah, she's there. A couple
Speaker 1: of our friends are up there right now, and yeah,
Speaker 1: all the fun stuff is happening in Canada when you
Speaker 1: all come into New York. I'm just sitting here. Wait.
Speaker 1: Originally I came up here was just because this was
Speaker 1: the only place that was kind of open, you know,
Speaker 1: and I was like, you know what, I need to
Speaker 1: get out of Dodge for a little while. And then
Speaker 1: I just was like, I really like it up here
Speaker 1: and everything's virtual, so like, what doesn't really matter? Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: Oh man, I'm so glad that you were able to
Speaker 1: join us today. It's just so great to see you
Speaker 1: and talk with you again. And it always makes me
Speaker 1: happy to have our family back on this show. So
Speaker 1: thank you so much. Well, thank you for having me.
Speaker 1: And I like, I was so excited. I was like, yes,
Speaker 1: I'll come do you know so much fun? And then
Speaker 1: when I listened to the episodes and I was like,
Speaker 1: this is really going to be fun because I loved
Speaker 1: fighting with you. I loved remember they made us like
Speaker 1: crash through that coffee table and it was the first
Speaker 1: time i'd ever had to do like a really big
Speaker 1: stunt before, and it was scary. Didn't you get cut
Speaker 1: by the fake balsa wood? One of us got cut,
Speaker 1: But we wanted to be tough girls, I think so,
Speaker 1: I don't. I remember being really sore after like the
Speaker 1: next couple of days, like I had worked out like
Speaker 1: twelve hours straight because we shot that for like all
Speaker 1: day long, and you know, and then the yeah, three
Speaker 1: hundred takes all angles everywhere. I mean it was fun though,
Speaker 1: Like it was a fun like the energy was so
Speaker 1: high that day. It was really good. No, we had
Speaker 1: a great time, and you just kind of go, well,
Speaker 1: you have to come to a convention because then we
Speaker 1: can do pictures. Yeah, I feel like fansy they need
Speaker 1: that photo. We'll just put a coffee table in front
Speaker 1: of us and pre broken, so all you have to
Speaker 1: do is just lay down on it. You got a
Speaker 1: problem with me? Yeah? Um, I love it so much. Manuel,
Speaker 1: You're the best. Everybody give it up. Thank you guys
Speaker 1: so much. Everybody tune in next episode number twenty one,
Speaker 1: the Leaving Song. I still I still don't know what's
Speaker 1: going to happen. I love this rewatch because I'm surprised
Speaker 1: every week Danger Danger, have a great week. Everybody you
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