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Speaker 3: Is that? Whoo whoom? And now Dan and Tye welcome
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Speaker 3: is ty Hildebrand, joining me as always over there in
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Speaker 2: Scheme Theme, Scheme Theme. I'm excited, ty, I'm a great
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Speaker 3: Welcome one, Welcome all to what we're calling Scheme Theme Month.
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Speaker 2: Daniel, I am truly and I don't say this lightly.
Speaker 2: We have let's see this month. I don't want to
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Speaker 2: on this episode who. This episode features our new friend
Speaker 2: Seth Latreuelle. Very excited to nerd out about, you know,
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Speaker 2: Denton with North Texas is super interesting. But we've got
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Speaker 3: Today, as you mentioned, and surely if you've downloaded the show,
Speaker 3: you know what you're in for. We're very excited to
Speaker 3: kick off scheme theme with Seth Latrell, the head football coach.
Speaker 3: As you said, of the North Texas Mean Green North
Speaker 3: Texas dan they were one and eleven before he took
Speaker 3: over in twenty fifteen. Seth Latrell comes over his first
Speaker 3: season in twenty sixteen, they go five and eight. Last
Speaker 3: year they go nine and five. They've been to a
Speaker 3: bowl game both years that he has been there. Last year,
Speaker 3: the offense was all sorts of revd up, scoring thirty
Speaker 3: five and a half points per game. He had a
Speaker 3: sophomore quarterback in Mason Fine who threw for over four
Speaker 3: thousand yards. There's a lot story of steam, a lot
Speaker 3: of positive momentum on what coach Ltrell is doing in Denton,
Speaker 3: and we're going to talk about the air raid offense.
Speaker 3: We're going to talk about its place in college football
Speaker 3: and in the football world as a whole in twenty eighteen.
Speaker 3: So pumped to get this started with coach Holtrell.
Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, and in case you don't know his background,
Speaker 2: of course, he helped coach positions and then coordinate the offenses.
Speaker 2: At Arizona, he was the running backs and tight ends coach.
Speaker 2: Unfortunately Gronk was injured when he was coaching tight ends
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Speaker 2: Mason Fine, a really cool story to pay attention to.
Speaker 2: So super pumped to talk to Seth Latrell because I mean,
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Speaker 2: And with that, it is my pleasure Tie to introduce
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Speaker 2: coach positions, coordinated offenses. Texas Tech, Arizona, Indiana, North Carolina.
Speaker 2: Now he's engineering I guess not just a turnaround, but
Speaker 2: their sustaining success North Texas. Seth Latrell, how's it going.
Speaker 1: It's going great. I appreciate you'all having me on. It's
Speaker 1: always talk ball.
Speaker 2: Oh can't wait? All right? So we're talking offense and
Speaker 2: what you've done, what you've been doing, and obviously there's
Speaker 2: a wide variety of schemes and terminology for those schemes.
Speaker 2: What would you call how would you classify your offense?
Speaker 1: Well, it's a little hybrid of the air rate I
Speaker 1: guess that's the system I played in, and that's just
Speaker 1: the system coach Harrow played in, our offensive coordinator, and
Speaker 1: so everywhere I've been, it's always been a form in
Speaker 1: some form of that in the passing game at least,
Speaker 1: and you know, just getting cre creative at different places
Speaker 1: of you know, what your strengths and weaknesses, who your
Speaker 1: quarterback is, you know, and then also just trying to
Speaker 1: evolve in the run game, making sure that you know,
Speaker 1: still believe in running the football and being physical and
Speaker 1: being able to be balanced enough to keep defensive of honest.
Speaker 1: But again some years or different others, you know, I've
Speaker 1: been at Arizona where you know, at times of folds
Speaker 1: we had to throw fifty times a game. After Gronk left,
Speaker 1: we didn't have tight ends at the edge, so you know,
Speaker 1: it was a little bit different in our run game.
Speaker 1: And you know, since I've been in Indiana and North Carolina,
Speaker 1: we've done a lot more run game and established from
Speaker 1: the quarterback run game. Just different schemes, and I think
Speaker 1: most of it just kind of fit, you know, whatever
Speaker 1: fits your team. You know, we're always going to have
Speaker 1: our base system of what we do. I think year
Speaker 1: in year out, it is a little bit different in
Speaker 1: what you do, uh, just because of the quarterback and
Speaker 1: and what you got around. You got to make sure
Speaker 1: you put them in the best situations to be successful.
Speaker 1: And that's all the players.
Speaker 2: What is that process like feeling out the sort of
Speaker 2: strengths and weaknesses of your quarterback. Is that something that
Speaker 2: happens in the spring? Is I mean that happens you
Speaker 2: can't really get a sense for it until you reach
Speaker 2: live action. What is that sense of like, Okay, he
Speaker 2: can do this, he do that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of times, just through spring practice and
Speaker 1: getting through spring and then fall camp, you know, and
Speaker 1: just building the system around him. Uh. You know, the
Speaker 1: first year is a little bit different because of you know,
Speaker 1: when Mason came in, we weren't projecting projecting him to
Speaker 1: be the starter, but you know, through game one, I
Speaker 1: think halfway through game one he ended up taking over
Speaker 1: that job and kind of ran with the rest of
Speaker 1: the year. Year one was definitely challenging for all of us,
Speaker 1: implementing a new system, having a true professional quarterback, you know,
Speaker 1: so we we had to keep it pretty simple and
Speaker 1: try to play you know, just try to play our
Speaker 1: base stuff, you know, but this past year with his
Speaker 1: experience kind of being here two in the system and
Speaker 1: getting a lot more confidence and uh, we were able
Speaker 1: to open the package up a little bit more. We
Speaker 1: had a really good running back with Jeffrey Wilson, so
Speaker 1: we also you know, build some of it around and
Speaker 1: making sure that we were running the ball and uh
Speaker 1: putting in you know, the different schemes that you know,
Speaker 1: he was really good at running. And then uh, you know,
Speaker 1: just continuing to uh, you know, find different ways to
Speaker 1: make Mason comfortable and continue to teach him the offense
Speaker 1: and you know, reading defenses a year two just figuring
Speaker 1: everything out. So you know, we evolved a little bit
Speaker 1: this past year and we're going to continue to grow
Speaker 1: and evolve. And you know, the biggest system is not evo.
Speaker 1: Biggest thing is not evolving too much too fast, you know,
Speaker 1: making sure we keep it simple. That's still one of
Speaker 1: the things that we like to do. And I take
Speaker 1: that from coach leads and their rate. You know, make
Speaker 1: sure that you know, keep your your your system simple
Speaker 1: and your players are able to play fast. So you
Speaker 1: don't want to have too much in but at the
Speaker 1: same time, you also want to evolve and grow, So.
Speaker 2: I'm glad you said that. So what does a year
Speaker 2: one system look like? You said simple? You know, is
Speaker 2: is it a matter of the number of plays? It's
Speaker 2: Is it a matter of responsibilities When a quarterback's approaching
Speaker 2: a line, what is that that base level to set up?
Speaker 2: And as you mentioned, a fresh foot quarterback in a
Speaker 2: new system, what is that year one what does that
Speaker 2: sort of teaching process?
Speaker 1: Well, in the system, you know, we rely heavily on
Speaker 1: the quarterback to get us in good plays when they're not,
Speaker 1: you know, being able to check it. And the more
Speaker 1: you uh, you know, start trusting him and understanding that
Speaker 1: he understands leverage and what they're trying to get accomplished,
Speaker 1: the more you'll give him freedom. And so some of
Speaker 1: that is just some of the stuff we check. Other
Speaker 1: things just keeping formations as basic as possible. You know,
Speaker 1: your base schemes, stuff you're going to do every single week,
Speaker 1: making sure you wrap them enough to where you know
Speaker 1: that they get comfortable with in it and trying not
Speaker 1: to you know, again each week, coming up with too
Speaker 1: many different schemes throughout a game plan at times, just
Speaker 1: especially our on it's just better to run what you
Speaker 1: run and keep it simple for those guys. And the
Speaker 1: biggest thing, you just want to be able to let
Speaker 1: them go out there and play fast and you know,
Speaker 1: with some familiar things.
Speaker 3: Do you think your offense is difficult to learn relative
Speaker 3: to other schemes that might be out there.
Speaker 1: You know, I can't say that, you know, because I
Speaker 1: haven't been in some of those other schemes. I know that.
Speaker 1: You know, we feel like it's it's it's player friendly.
Speaker 1: You know, we have a three day install for a
Speaker 1: based offense. You know, we we basically, uh install our
Speaker 1: whole offense in three days. Now. It may be challenging
Speaker 1: on the front end, you know, but it really helps us.
Speaker 1: I think it's better to overload them in the beginning
Speaker 1: and then as they kind of get through either Spring
Speaker 1: or Fall camp, you know, they they're able to once
Speaker 1: it's all in, it's pretty much from there, just different
Speaker 1: tags here or there. So you know, we believe in
Speaker 1: putting a lot on them on the front end because
Speaker 1: it's not as much as most and you know, let
Speaker 1: them grow within it and continue to watch tape and
Speaker 1: understand it. But we basically run a three day script
Speaker 1: where you know, we may change up formations or something
Speaker 1: here and there. But we have base plays that we
Speaker 1: run on day one, base plays day two, and base
Speaker 1: plays day three, And you know, I feel like it
Speaker 1: gives us a lot of opportunities to rep those plays
Speaker 1: and not just call them a couple of days or
Speaker 1: times throughout a practice, but continue to rep them throughout
Speaker 1: the whole practice.
Speaker 3: To what degree, as a quarterback gets more comfortable in
Speaker 3: your system, do you turn over some of the decision
Speaker 3: making to him to help him modify, help him be
Speaker 3: part of the scheme that you're that you're going to
Speaker 3: run out there on a Saturday.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. The more they get to know and again, understanding leverages,
Speaker 1: the more time to have meeting with coach Row and
Speaker 1: watching tape understanding again defenses leverages. We start allowing them
Speaker 1: to do a little bit more and make more checks shoot.
Speaker 1: And you got a guy like Graham Harrow, who his
Speaker 1: senior year was h you know, my my last year
Speaker 1: at Texas Tech. Uh. He had the freedom to check
Speaker 1: every single play and he did it quite frequently just
Speaker 1: because he understood what he liked and understood what they
Speaker 1: were trying to do. And the great thing for Mason,
Speaker 1: he is a guy that's been in the system has
Speaker 1: played in it. That understands that, you know, he's really
Speaker 1: learning and gaining a lot of knowledge through through Graham
Speaker 1: on just having another set eyes who has been there,
Speaker 1: who's done it. So you know, I think that's helped
Speaker 1: Mason grow even faster. But at the same time, we're
Speaker 1: still we're still growing with him, and we're still not
Speaker 1: putting too much on him, but we are giving more
Speaker 1: freedoms as it goes. In the spring hadn't changed. We've
Speaker 1: continued to, uh see how much we can we can
Speaker 1: help him grow and start to take ownership of some
Speaker 1: of the stuff that we're doing.
Speaker 3: You mentioned this a little bit, Coach, but obviously you
Speaker 3: run a hybrid version right of the air raid, and
Speaker 3: you know you've had a chance over the course of
Speaker 3: time to evolve that. Now you've got Graham Harrell as
Speaker 3: your offensive coordinator. How have you seen defenses change their
Speaker 3: approach to what you're doing? What is the state of
Speaker 3: the air raid in twenty eighteen, just as it relates
Speaker 3: to how people are trying to stop it?
Speaker 1: Well, I think it's again it's been a little different
Speaker 1: back when we're at Texas Tech and really kind of
Speaker 1: my last year there, and last maybe with Foals at Arizona,
Speaker 1: people were playing so much different because we were so
Speaker 1: heavy and warrants balanced, and so people were playing a
Speaker 1: lot more coverages, you know, a lot more drop eight.
Speaker 1: You know, you'd get certain blitzes, but for the most
Speaker 1: part it was you know, it was kind of no
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say a little softer, but I mean just
Speaker 1: pass past defense, you know, and just being able to
Speaker 1: run the football. As I started cheating people up, your
Speaker 1: play action passes have gotten a lot better. And again
Speaker 1: it takes pressure off that quarterback and your own offensive line. So,
Speaker 1: you know, people us all sorts of ways. Now every
Speaker 1: every week you're you know, you're you're seeing something a
Speaker 1: little bit different. You know, some teams come in and
Speaker 1: play us a lot of too high. Other teams plays
Speaker 1: a lot of single highs. So some guys this past year,
Speaker 1: a lot of you know, we got a lot more
Speaker 1: pressure than maybe we've got the previous years. And so
Speaker 1: you know, I think, uh, people are again just like us.
Speaker 1: They're game planning, they're adjusting and trying to you know,
Speaker 1: see what best fits their game plan and who they have.
Speaker 1: But by this time, you pretty much have seen everything
Speaker 1: and you know there's well there's offense, defense, best teams.
Speaker 1: I mean that the schemes you know, usually weekend and
Speaker 1: week out, you've seen some form of them, you know,
Speaker 1: with with different wrinkles and adjustments. But again, you just
Speaker 1: continue to grow and develop your guys and your and
Speaker 1: your coaching staff, making sure you're staying sharp en up
Speaker 1: to date with everything you're seeing on tape. And again
Speaker 1: it's football, just going out there and execute.
Speaker 2: So one of those wrinkles or adjustments recently over the
Speaker 2: last few years, and we just sawt in the Super Bowl,
Speaker 2: was obviously the run pass option with some run run
Speaker 2: blocking and the quarterback is reading various players to decide
Speaker 2: whether he's going to hand it off or throw it quickly,
Speaker 2: ar throw it deep whatever. When was the first time,
Speaker 2: I guess you implemented that into your system and where
Speaker 2: did you first see it?
Speaker 1: We were doing a lot of that back when I
Speaker 1: was at Indiana off the run tags, you know, and
Speaker 1: basically what we were doing was more of the screen
Speaker 1: game off of it, maybe some sticks here and there,
Speaker 1: some quick hits throws or quick out route throws to
Speaker 1: the single receiver, having a maybe a three man game
Speaker 1: with some of your inside zone outside zone stuff, your
Speaker 1: three year server side. Maybe we're throwing some type of stick,
Speaker 1: you know, something like that. But it really evolved when
Speaker 1: we went to when I was at North Carolina with
Speaker 1: Coas Fedora, and you know, we started, you know, really
Speaker 1: getting more involved with reading safeties and second level defenders,
Speaker 1: especially off some of your quarter stuff fit defenders when
Speaker 1: they're rotating you know, single higher where they rotate and
Speaker 1: you know, maybe throwing some more glances or or post
Speaker 1: routes and behind some different guys and trying to fill, uh,
Speaker 1: trying to find that grasp in behind the linebackers or
Speaker 1: fitting and the safety is getting down in a fit.
Speaker 1: So it really started evolving more at North Carolina. And
Speaker 1: again that's one of the things that early on here
Speaker 1: I didn't put much on Mason that you know, it
Speaker 1: can get challenging and you have to wrap it a lot.
Speaker 1: So year one we weren't doing much of the run
Speaker 1: pass off and stuff down the field. And so now
Speaker 1: that you know, year two, we kind of put a
Speaker 1: little bit more of that in and and again he's
Speaker 1: still getting comfortable with it, and the more you wrap it,
Speaker 1: the better he gets. And some of it again, is
Speaker 1: what you play against every day too. You know, it's
Speaker 1: some of that stuff's a lot more, especially the second
Speaker 1: level breeds are a lot more complicated when you start
Speaker 1: getting three man front teams and extra cenders out of
Speaker 1: space and knowing if they're blitzing or not, and so
Speaker 1: versus some of the four man front teams. So you know,
Speaker 1: it's just getting all the different looks that you can
Speaker 1: get on those run pass option and the more you
Speaker 1: can wrap, the more comfortable we get and the better
Speaker 1: they get. So again, that's something that we've continued to
Speaker 1: implement as we go, and again we haven't put all
Speaker 1: of it in, but now that we were kind of
Speaker 1: two years in the system of Mason and some of
Speaker 1: our experienced guys are coming back, especially at the receiver position,
Speaker 1: we're starting to do a lot more.
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Speaker 2: So you're in Texas obviously, which is the cradle of
Speaker 2: high school football, and everybody sort of credits you know,
Speaker 2: high school. Those are the trends. You know, Texas opens
Speaker 2: things up maybe before a lot of people outside of
Speaker 2: the the lone star state in terms of offense, and
Speaker 2: we see that bleed over to college and now it's
Speaker 2: bleeding over to the NFL. Are you getting a sense
Speaker 2: that quarterbacks coming in to college, especially from Texas or
Speaker 2: for whatever, are are better prepared, you know, are more
Speaker 2: comfortable doing things like you know, running an air raid
Speaker 2: type system, running our pos like do you feel like
Speaker 2: you have to rep less because of their experience.
Speaker 1: I think it's just different now it's order to get
Speaker 1: somebody under center and short yard situation. So you know,
Speaker 1: one strength becomes another another weakness, you know, and so
Speaker 1: it all evolves eventually, you know. And you know, I
Speaker 1: think this really took off. You look at you know,
Speaker 1: our first year back in nineteen ninety nine, when when
Speaker 1: coach Stoops came in and brought Mike Leach. Not many
Speaker 1: people were doing in the Big twelve the spread and
Speaker 1: the air raid type stuff. And there's a lot more
Speaker 1: you know, option and power eye type stuff, you know,
Speaker 1: power football, and I think that's really in the state
Speaker 1: of Texas. So it was a lot like that. And
Speaker 1: you know, I think once the Big twelve kind of
Speaker 1: took off and you know, it kind of started evolving
Speaker 1: in high school and texts and you know a lot
Speaker 1: of teams start going more towards that spread, no huddle
Speaker 1: up tempo. You know. I think, you know, when Texas
Speaker 1: even have Vince Young, some of that stuff that they
Speaker 1: are doing just kind of took off. And I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: it continues. It's like a rotating door. I mean, all
Speaker 1: these all these schemes, they end up going full circle
Speaker 1: one way or another. Sure, hopefully one day we'll look up,
Speaker 1: we'll I'll be running a triple option out of the
Speaker 1: other wishbone. Wudn't that be.
Speaker 2: H And like most modern offenses, even the option, even
Speaker 2: if it's a pro style, even if it's a spread
Speaker 2: or an air raid whatever, everybody's running their offense at
Speaker 2: various tempos. Sometimes they're more deliberate. Sometimes people are running,
Speaker 2: you know, at a faster tempo. And the keys for
Speaker 2: everybody is communication. So I guess how does that change
Speaker 2: when you're going from a more deliberate pace to sort
Speaker 2: of a hurry up pace.
Speaker 1: Well, everything we do, we can run our entire offense
Speaker 1: and coive minute mode or hurry up mode. And I
Speaker 1: think it's just find a way to It's like a language,
Speaker 1: it's like anything else, and making sure that you keep
Speaker 1: everything as simple as possible. The more words you have
Speaker 1: within a play, the more room for error there is
Speaker 1: on communication, whether it's being through a signal or or
Speaker 1: a vocal. You know, I think as long as you
Speaker 1: can try to keep it short and to the point
Speaker 1: you're not putting too much in you know, your play
Speaker 1: calls the communication aspects easy. It's like learning another language,
Speaker 1: like learning Spanish. Once you know it, it's you know
Speaker 1: or read to some people mean the color red red,
Speaker 1: and our offense maybe mean a formation, you know. So
Speaker 1: it's just learning that communication, learning that language, and keeping
Speaker 1: it simple for the guys, because again, I think sometimes
Speaker 1: when it gets challenging is when you have too many
Speaker 1: tags a play or too many words, and then there's
Speaker 1: always there for communication when the more you have, the
Speaker 1: more and more chances of the air you have. So
Speaker 1: just trying to keep keep it as simple as possible
Speaker 1: to the communication process.
Speaker 3: You talk about the teaching process, what do you find
Speaker 3: to be the most challenging component of that. Is it
Speaker 3: teaching players who just need a lot of information to
Speaker 3: learn your system in the vocabulary, or is it teaching
Speaker 3: your staff which might have experience but also some pre
Speaker 3: existing habits or notions of their own.
Speaker 1: Both, there's no doubt us both and making sure you
Speaker 1: hold each other can when they got to do the
Speaker 1: same with me, because again, we all grow comfortable in
Speaker 1: the things that we've done in the past. So when
Speaker 1: when when stuff gets challenging, you always want to go
Speaker 1: back to maybe something else you did somewhere else, or
Speaker 1: how you taught up somewhere else, And so it's making
Speaker 1: sure you hold each other accountable. It starts with me
Speaker 1: first and making sure that myself and our staff are
Speaker 1: on the same page and communicate well with each other.
Speaker 1: And then it goes down to our players. But the
Speaker 1: biggest thing is you got to understand us. Everybody learns
Speaker 1: different with some of the visual guys. Some guys have
Speaker 1: to write it down, others, you know, have to see
Speaker 1: it on tape. You know, it's everybody learns a little
Speaker 1: bit different. You got to find each and every guy
Speaker 1: and know each and every coach has to understand who's
Speaker 1: in their position room, how do they learn, what's the
Speaker 1: best way for them to learn, and you got to
Speaker 1: teach them that way. And that's why it's it's it's
Speaker 1: being a teacher. And you know, teachers all across the
Speaker 1: country have to find different ways to teach in their
Speaker 1: classrooms and every student's not the same. And so just
Speaker 1: understanding that, putting your ego at the door and just
Speaker 1: finding the best way to, you know, help help everybody
Speaker 1: grow and get to the best they can. Base we
Speaker 1: can be the best of the team. Yeah.
Speaker 3: And to that end, coach, your promotion essentially from an
Speaker 3: assistant head coach or assistant coach to the head football coach.
Speaker 3: With more responsibilities, You've got more people underneath you. I
Speaker 3: would imagine that there was a learning process there as well.
Speaker 3: How did that process affect how you assess how you
Speaker 3: apply your own scheme when it comes to game day?
Speaker 3: Did that change?
Speaker 1: No? The biggest thing was, you know, just instead of
Speaker 1: being you know, basically the head coach of the Allen
Speaker 1: or you know, having forty something players, it goes to
Speaker 1: one hundred and sixteen players. It's still managing people, still
Speaker 1: about relationships. To me, it's still about you know, getting
Speaker 1: around your guys, hiring the best fits, not only best coaches,
Speaker 1: but really the best guys that fit your culture and
Speaker 1: are going to be believing and selling the same thing
Speaker 1: to your players each and every day. And once you
Speaker 1: hire those guys, you've got to coach them up on,
Speaker 1: you know, what you want and communicate well what you
Speaker 1: want and then trust them to do their job. And
Speaker 1: that's I've been very blessed to be around guys that
Speaker 1: have hired me, have coached me up on exactly what
Speaker 1: they're looking for and let me do my job. And
Speaker 1: I think, you know, if you're always standing over someone
Speaker 1: shoulder or browbeating, I don't. I don't think that's uh
Speaker 1: that works as well. So you know everybody, you know,
Speaker 1: I think as a head coach, you've got to be
Speaker 1: who you are. That's my personality. That's kind of the
Speaker 1: way I was brought up to the business. And again
Speaker 1: we got an unbelievable staff. You know, I can't say
Speaker 1: enough about coach haerb Brant's done a great job. You know.
Speaker 1: I'm always going to be involved on offense. Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm always going to you know, help game plan and
Speaker 1: be a part of it and be coaching out there
Speaker 1: on the field. And again I had to do it,
Speaker 1: you know with uh you know, Larry for Door and
Speaker 1: Kevin Wilson. Those two guys were offensive guys who really
Speaker 1: helped me grow and learn. But the one thing, uh
Speaker 1: I I learned, especially from Larry for Doras is uh
Speaker 1: he never questioned one call him on, you know, always
Speaker 1: had the opportunity to learn from him and asked him advice,
Speaker 1: and uh, he was always there to help us game plan.
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, he hired me
Speaker 1: to do a job, and uh, he let me do
Speaker 1: my job, and that's no different than than what I
Speaker 1: have to do with Graham again, coach him up and
Speaker 1: making sure that we're putting our players in the best
Speaker 1: situations to be successful, and then let him go out
Speaker 1: and do it, do a great job of doing it.
Speaker 1: And he's he he's done a fabulous job. He Uh,
Speaker 1: he has no ego. And our entire staff I have
Speaker 1: no egos. Everybody's here to do one thing, accomplished the
Speaker 1: mission of winning football games and and and making sure
Speaker 1: we're great mentors with these kids. And uh, you know
Speaker 1: they've done a great job doing that. But I think
Speaker 1: Graham's special. You know, he's he's he has an unbelievable
Speaker 1: right future. He's as sharp as I've been around in
Speaker 1: the game.
Speaker 3: In the game, well, there's no doubt you guys have
Speaker 3: done a tremendous job thus far at North Texas. There's
Speaker 3: no reason to think that won't continue. And specifically, as
Speaker 3: it relates to offense thirty five and a half points
Speaker 3: per game last year, it's pretty apparent that you know
Speaker 3: how to install your system and run it effectively. So
Speaker 3: with that being said, where does this all go next coach.
Speaker 3: Are there any emerging trends that you see on the
Speaker 3: horizon things around college football, just on offense that you
Speaker 3: think will play a larger role next couple of years.
Speaker 1: That's a good question. I think again, as offenses are evolving,
Speaker 1: short defenses, and you know, they're doing a great job.
Speaker 1: I think early on in some of the spread stuff,
Speaker 1: some of the up tempo, no no huddle, you know,
Speaker 1: they lagged behind a little bit defensively, rightfully. So, I
Speaker 1: mean it's a challenge. And you know now that as
Speaker 1: offense is evolved, the defenses the start of evolving, and
Speaker 1: so now you know, just trying to find different ways
Speaker 1: to you know, I don't want to say stay ahead
Speaker 1: of the curve, but just you know, different ways. If
Speaker 1: guys are gonna you know, bring in more Nickels and
Speaker 1: and and you know, maybe maybe not as many what
Speaker 1: I call huge mike linebackers run stoppers, they're gonna have
Speaker 1: athletic guys with speed. You know, I think, uh, you're
Speaker 1: gonna have to do some different things in the run
Speaker 1: game and getting bigger guys, bigger sets, trying to pack
Speaker 1: you know, guys in a little bit more at times.
Speaker 1: But who knows. I mean, I think it all evolves,
Speaker 1: and the biggest thing for us is whether it's year
Speaker 1: one to year two has always been better? Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: just because I think year two in the system, everybody
Speaker 1: gets a lot more comfortable. You should obviously progress and
Speaker 1: get better as we have, but you know the thing
Speaker 1: is from year one to year two there's always been
Speaker 1: a big jump. The thing I always am concerned about
Speaker 1: is year two, year three. Don't get comfortable, don't relax.
Speaker 1: Make sure you because again we have a lot of
Speaker 1: returners back, and it's if you allow it to happen.
Speaker 1: It's very easy to get relaxed and comfortable, and when
Speaker 1: you do that, you're fixing to get your head beat
Speaker 1: in and not be as successful as you should be.
Speaker 1: So it's just always trying to keep those guys on
Speaker 1: the edge, having a chip on the shoulder, understanding that
Speaker 1: we have to get a day better, we have to
Speaker 1: get a week better, and we have to put it
Speaker 1: all together. It all starts over every single janney, where
Speaker 1: after your bowl, it starts over and you go back
Speaker 1: to day one and make sure that again you continue
Speaker 1: that edge and that chip on your shoulder of making
Speaker 1: sure that you continue to grow and get better as
Speaker 1: coaches and players.
Speaker 2: I'm curious because you run offenses now for so long
Speaker 2: and you mentioned having you know, broader responsibilities now and
Speaker 2: relationship building and sort of dealing with everything on a
Speaker 2: day to day basis, and you bring in Graham Harrell,
Speaker 2: of course you are familiar with before and now he puts,
Speaker 2: you know, his fresh eyes, his stamp on the offense
Speaker 2: and is running things on offense day to day. What
Speaker 2: has been that stamp? What has he added? What what
Speaker 2: is he tweaked that you know, maybe you didn't see
Speaker 2: before and you've thought, oh, that's that's sort of clever,
Speaker 2: that's a good idea.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Then just again just different tags that they've done
Speaker 1: in their raid, in the passing game, some of the
Speaker 1: passing game stuff that you know, we we maybe got
Speaker 1: away from, uh you know, throughout the years. And then
Speaker 1: some of the stuff, you know, some of the stuff
Speaker 1: I was maybe more comfortable calling other things than he
Speaker 1: is one thing and I am the other, which is fine.
Speaker 1: Everybody has their uh, their go to plays, and every
Speaker 1: personality is a little bit different, and so you know,
Speaker 1: just making sure that again he has to stay true
Speaker 1: to himself as well. And make sure he's the one
Speaker 1: who's gonna have to call it on game day. So,
Speaker 1: like I tell him all the time, there's different things
Speaker 1: that we'll look at it. I may have done a
Speaker 1: couple of different tags here and there that you know,
Speaker 1: maybe he's not as comfortable with and we'll rep him.
Speaker 1: And if he's not, I tell him to throw him out,
Speaker 1: because again, you're not gonna call him if you're not
Speaker 1: comfortable with them. So to some of that, you know,
Speaker 1: I think again, uh, him getting around me and maybe
Speaker 1: some of the right game he hadn't been around over
Speaker 1: the last few years, and so uh, you know, I
Speaker 1: think he's really learned to evolve with that and having
Speaker 1: to call it. And I think we're pretty balanced last year.
Speaker 1: I think actually we're we're around fifty two forty eight
Speaker 1: somewhere around there, run past and uh, he's done a
Speaker 1: great job of managing the offense. But uh, you know, again,
Speaker 1: everybody has their own personality and how they how they
Speaker 1: call things, what they like. And again some of us
Speaker 1: that and again some of us what you have, who
Speaker 1: the quarterback is, who's the run back? What do we
Speaker 1: have up front? What are we what are we doing
Speaker 1: to take care of you know, maybe some of the
Speaker 1: areas that we're we're not as strong and and how
Speaker 1: do how do we fit the It's all a puzzle.
Speaker 1: How do you fit it together to be successful? And
Speaker 1: you know, it's fun watching him, watching him grow and
Speaker 1: do it. And again our whole staff again, they work
Speaker 1: very well together and it's been great.
Speaker 2: And of course it's sort of early springtimes is when
Speaker 2: everybody starts freaking out over the NFL drafts and you
Speaker 2: now have a super Bowl winning quarterback, a super Bowl
Speaker 2: winning backup quarterback. You obviously worked with Mitch Trubisky at
Speaker 2: North Carolina, so you sort of have an idea about
Speaker 2: you know, high high level development of quarterbacks in your
Speaker 2: system and beyond. So I guess, aside from heavier shotgun
Speaker 2: versus under center like you mentioned, where does the teaching
Speaker 2: and experience differ from more traditional pro style type schemes
Speaker 2: and more air raid, wide open schemes, where is that
Speaker 2: teaching different?
Speaker 1: Well, I think again, concepts or concepts to me, whether
Speaker 1: you're under center, in the in the shotgun again, you're
Speaker 1: you're running a lot of the same concepts, you know,
Speaker 1: and with different tags. Maybe here there your run game
Speaker 1: under center, maybe look a little different on the footwork
Speaker 1: and all that stuff, but are still inside zone, still
Speaker 1: inside's own you know, pen and pool, still pen and pool.
Speaker 1: I think where it comes is the more you do
Speaker 1: from shotgun a pistol formation to under center. You've got
Speaker 1: to work those different techniques of you know, center snapped exchange,
Speaker 1: you know your your your run game, polish uh from
Speaker 1: under center, Uh, from the gun to the pistol, your plans,
Speaker 1: your footwork, you know, your your your rhythm, three steps
Speaker 1: and all that. And so the more you do and
Speaker 1: then those different whether you're undergun or pistol, I think
Speaker 1: it's just more the fundamentals. It's just teaching the different
Speaker 1: fundamentals and then having enough reps uh, you know, to
Speaker 1: where you can be good at all of it. And again, uh,
Speaker 1: that that's the biggest challenge to me. It's it's the
Speaker 1: more you do. It's not so much yeah, scheme wise
Speaker 1: as well, but also the fundamental just the basic fundamentals
Speaker 1: of just center uh, quarterback exchange. You know you're polished
Speaker 1: from there. Again, it's when guys haven't done it. It's
Speaker 1: not like you just walk up behind the center and
Speaker 1: snap the ball and be able to run in side zone.
Speaker 1: It doesn't work. But you gotta rep it and the
Speaker 1: more you wrap it, the better you get. But again,
Speaker 1: some of us time we only had. There's only so
Speaker 1: much time in the week with a twenty hour rule.
Speaker 1: Whatever it is to be able to rep and polish
Speaker 1: everything to where you're you're good at.
Speaker 2: It fair enough. And this is my most important question,
Speaker 2: in my last question, because I love food to an
Speaker 2: unhealthy degree. What's what's the best thing, what's the best
Speaker 2: thing you've eaten in the like sort of DFW Denton area.
Speaker 2: What what is your number one bite, your number one
Speaker 2: meal that that you've had up there?
Speaker 1: Man, there's there's so many great places around here and
Speaker 1: the again, you know, when I do go out, man,
Speaker 1: it's going to sound pretty base stuff here. But I
Speaker 1: haven't been around the Rudi's here in a long time.
Speaker 1: And I like me some barbecue, and we do already
Speaker 1: shows shows a Rudies, So I'll go to Rudy's all
Speaker 1: day long. But there's a there's a number of great
Speaker 1: restaurants around here. There's a great banana pudding soon, No,
Speaker 1: there's no doubt. And again I can sit Rudy.
Speaker 2: They'd all have okay, Seth Latrell North Texas Mean Green,
Speaker 2: an unbelievable turnaround job. He's been producing big offenses for
Speaker 2: a while, an up and coming program, an up and
Speaker 2: coming coach. Very cool to uh to nerd out with
Speaker 2: you over offensive stuff and thank you for coming on
Speaker 2: and we're looking forward to twenty.
Speaker 1: Eight Absolutely, I appreciate you. Man. We got to go
Speaker 1: go hey, we got to get a whole lot better
Speaker 1: if we get to twenty eighteen. Now we get a
Speaker 1: long way to go from when need to open that
Speaker 1: season up.
Speaker 3: All right, Dan, there you have it. It is coach
Speaker 3: Seth Latrelle from the North Texas Mean Green and that
Speaker 3: was awesome. He's really good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they and he's really good. And the Mean Green
Speaker 2: last year were really good. You look at their numbers
Speaker 2: just looking back how efficient they were. And just year two,
Speaker 2: Mason find did a great job. What do you say
Speaker 2: through for over four thousand yards thirty plus touchdown passes
Speaker 2: and from what I can can tell, am I smart
Speaker 2: tie not particularly, But here's my opinion. Cepha Charles going places.
Speaker 2: That name is going places, and you know, hopefully it's
Speaker 2: at North Texas for a long long time because that's
Speaker 2: a good place to be tie you have that much
Speaker 2: local talent, you can win games. So looking forward to
Speaker 2: seeing the evolution of the Me and Green and beyond.
Speaker 2: So I could not be happier we were able to
Speaker 2: have Seth on the show.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And to that end, whenever you've got someone on
Speaker 3: who is in the midst of a turnaround like the
Speaker 3: one we're seeing in Denton, that's pretty exciting to just
Speaker 3: be part of, you know, in whatever small way we
Speaker 3: can be a part of that and bring that onto
Speaker 3: the show again. North Texas one and eleven in twenty fifteen,
Speaker 3: the first year there, they win five games. Last year
Speaker 3: he wins nine games. Excited to see where he goes
Speaker 3: in twenty eighteen. He said it at the end there
Speaker 3: as you hear so many coaches say, we got to
Speaker 3: get better, got to keep churning this thing forward. But
Speaker 3: if two years is any indication, coach Latrell knows what
Speaker 3: he's doing, he knows how to build something, and it's
Speaker 3: great to have him on here as part of our
Speaker 3: first scheme theme episode of March twenty eighteen.
Speaker 2: As far as I can tell ty, I know the
Speaker 2: Chinese New Year has like a different animal you know,
Speaker 2: it's the year of the monkey, it's the year of
Speaker 2: the dog, whatever, year of the Rats.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: It almost feels like between the huge year for North
Speaker 2: Texas between Mitch Trubisky who he worked with, he was
Speaker 2: Markis Williams backup at North Carolina, but I think they
Speaker 2: overlapped a couple of years for the tar Heels and
Speaker 2: then having not one but two Super Bowl rings go
Speaker 2: to past Seth Latrell quarterbacks and Nick Foles and Nate
Speaker 2: Sudfeld sort of feels like the year of Latrell. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we have the summer of George did the year of
Speaker 2: Latrell could be the year of Latrell.
Speaker 3: It's been a good year, Okay, I'm fine with that.
Speaker 3: Cool to have him on Friend of the Podcast. Yes,
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Speaker 2: It's called outside tie for heating up the pod.
Speaker 3: Boom. Okay for that guy over there, my good friend
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Speaker 3: Seth Latrelle from the North Texas, Mean Green. This is
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