WEBVTT - Screen Time: Rebecca (2020) 0:00:05.519 --> 0:00:08.240 So you ever read an entire book and not really 0:00:08.280 --> 0:00:10.840 get what it's about. I bring that up for no 0:00:10.920 --> 0:00:14.440 real reason, because this week on Popcorn Book Club we're 0:00:14.480 --> 0:00:17.880 taking in some screen time with the film adaptation of 0:00:17.960 --> 0:00:23.520 Daphne Dumourier's Rebecca. Last week we talked about Alfred Hitchcock's film, 0:00:23.880 --> 0:00:26.920 and now we're moving on to the brand new Netflix version, 0:00:27.480 --> 0:00:30.520 and we have some notes like it turned into a 0:00:30.640 --> 0:00:33.839 caper in the third act and you're like, she just 0:00:33.960 --> 0:00:37.520 oceans eight. Like this entire last half of this movie 0:00:37.560 --> 0:00:39.479 it didn't make I was like, what are you trying 0:00:39.520 --> 0:00:45.519 to do? That is a masterpiece. Welcome back to Popcorn 0:00:45.520 --> 0:00:48.839 Book Club. Danish Swartz here, joined as always by Karamadan Qua, 0:00:48.920 --> 0:00:52.800 Tian Tran, Melissa Hunter, and Jennifer Wright. Today we are 0:00:52.880 --> 0:00:57.360 continuing our Rebecca discourse. I was trying to combine those 0:00:57.360 --> 0:00:59.480 words for a second in my head before I said 0:00:59.480 --> 0:01:07.040 it and then bailed immediately reccaseccase. We're continue our conversation 0:01:07.040 --> 0:01:11.600 about Rebecca and the adaptations there within this time, focusing 0:01:11.640 --> 0:01:16.280 on the Netflix adaptation that was literally just released the 0:01:16.360 --> 0:01:19.840 day before. We're recording this starting really James and Army 0:01:19.920 --> 0:01:23.360 Hammer before no judgment to everyone involved. Because it did 0:01:23.400 --> 0:01:25.800 just release yesterday. Did we all get a chance to 0:01:25.800 --> 0:01:30.880 watch it? Yeah? Baby? Is everyone ready to have a 0:01:30.920 --> 0:01:37.520 party where we slowly chant Rebecca burned subtext in the 0:01:37.600 --> 0:01:41.959 fires of Manderland. Joe, Okay, so first of all, we 0:01:41.959 --> 0:01:45.040 should say that if you worked on this, I'm sure 0:01:45.080 --> 0:01:46.880 you worked really hard and it's really hard to get 0:01:46.880 --> 0:01:50.400 and nothing made. And yes, the costumes were beautiful, and 0:01:50.480 --> 0:01:52.520 you should be proud of yourself. And I get your 0:01:52.520 --> 0:01:56.200 mom is proud of you too, yes, And Kristen Scott Thomas, 0:01:56.440 --> 0:02:07.000 you are hast designer. Julian Day, you killed it. Screenwriter 0:02:07.160 --> 0:02:10.560 Jane Goldman, I've really enjoyed a lot of her work 0:02:10.600 --> 0:02:13.960 before she wrote the screenplay on Stardust. And these guys 0:02:14.480 --> 0:02:18.839 a lot of caveats. So, now that you've said that 0:02:19.720 --> 0:02:24.040 it's really hard to make something good, it's hard to 0:02:24.040 --> 0:02:29.519 get anything, it's incredible that anything is ever good. Honestly, 0:02:29.680 --> 0:02:31.679 that a movie or television show is ever good is 0:02:31.680 --> 0:02:35.440 an actual miracle. That is really real, thinking about all 0:02:35.440 --> 0:02:37.280 the people that have to touch it and that everything, 0:02:37.880 --> 0:02:41.240 all the gatekeepers. That is so real. So we thought 0:02:41.240 --> 0:02:46.920 it was dad, Wow, we really didn't. I laughed the 0:02:46.960 --> 0:02:50.360 whole time I had. I had a great time. It 0:02:50.400 --> 0:02:54.160 was amazing. I did have a Manderley ball with it, 0:02:54.280 --> 0:02:57.919 you know. Yeah, I didn't realize how bad it was 0:02:58.160 --> 0:03:00.880 until the ball. See, I was like this, it's not 0:03:00.960 --> 0:03:05.000 dripping me. I am very bored. But the costumes are 0:03:05.120 --> 0:03:09.200 nice and enjoying, like all of this, you know, English countryside. 0:03:09.680 --> 0:03:13.040 And then they get to the falsey where everybody in 0:03:13.160 --> 0:03:16.360 costume gathers around her for no every reason that I 0:03:16.360 --> 0:03:19.840 can understand. I don't think she's on like a hallucinogen. 0:03:19.919 --> 0:03:22.480 It trip about it feels that way, and they all 0:03:22.520 --> 0:03:29.760 just screamed Rebecca's name. It felt like a non commitment 0:03:29.919 --> 0:03:33.320 to a surreal scene, like they're like dipping, like it's 0:03:33.360 --> 0:03:36.040 someone who tries to do like it almost feels like 0:03:36.080 --> 0:03:38.880 you're at a ball and there's like a circle and 0:03:38.920 --> 0:03:41.000 there's a dance circle, and you go in the middle 0:03:41.040 --> 0:03:44.320 and you start to do like some kind of weird 0:03:44.440 --> 0:03:47.200 dance and then you immediately bail. You know. That's what 0:03:47.240 --> 0:03:50.440 the whole Secrets felt like. It felt to me like 0:03:50.480 --> 0:03:53.960 it was an internal expression of what was what she 0:03:54.040 --> 0:03:55.880 felt was going on at the party because she had 0:03:55.920 --> 0:03:58.720 shown up in the wrong dress, like the wrong dress, 0:03:59.280 --> 0:04:02.040 and she's like everybody's thinking about Rebecca. Everybody wishes I 0:04:02.040 --> 0:04:04.320 was Rebecca. This is what it feels like. But it 0:04:04.360 --> 0:04:13.360 wasn't clear her nightgown but also horrible. Yeah, the worst 0:04:13.440 --> 0:04:17.040 dres But also even if that was her fan, I 0:04:17.080 --> 0:04:19.720 mean it was her fantasy, like her nightmare. You can 0:04:19.800 --> 0:04:24.640 be a little more subtle than just people chanting Rebecca 0:04:25.000 --> 0:04:28.120 could just settled or just go hog wild and have 0:04:28.240 --> 0:04:31.200 that whole sequence be the surreal nightmare like pick a 0:04:31.240 --> 0:04:36.240 side direct. Yeah. My overall review of this movie is 0:04:36.240 --> 0:04:41.240 that it felt like a two hour do your Perfume commercial? Yeah, 0:04:42.560 --> 0:04:46.760 like good with these like gorgeous models and in beautiful 0:04:46.839 --> 0:04:53.120 costumes in this beautiful house and that's it. Yeah. Well, 0:04:53.400 --> 0:04:56.080 I started watching it hear the same age. I kept 0:04:56.080 --> 0:05:00.839 watching the romance between this age of prop couple. This 0:05:00.960 --> 0:05:07.120 is obviously attracted to each other because you know, Karama, 0:05:07.200 --> 0:05:10.120 you had brought up before your ideas with the prologue 0:05:10.240 --> 0:05:12.320 and like how it affects the book. I will say, 0:05:12.360 --> 0:05:16.400 this movie's problem to me, it was like you said yes, 0:05:16.640 --> 0:05:19.680 but for the first the ending is a nightmare. Will 0:05:19.680 --> 0:05:22.640 get to that, but at the beginning we get the prologue, 0:05:22.960 --> 0:05:27.200 but there's no tension there. What's what's scary about the 0:05:27.240 --> 0:05:29.240 prologue And like even the scene of them in the 0:05:29.279 --> 0:05:32.320 hotel is like that's their prison cell, that's their punishment 0:05:32.400 --> 0:05:34.640 for killing this woman and getting away from it. They 0:05:34.680 --> 0:05:37.599 live now in shitty hotels, being boring with each other, 0:05:37.839 --> 0:05:40.200 and there's like a sense of dread. And so you 0:05:40.279 --> 0:05:43.840 go into this fantasy knowing that there's a sense of dread, 0:05:43.960 --> 0:05:46.719 that something's gonna go wrong and they're gonna be trapped together. 0:05:47.120 --> 0:05:49.120 But this we don't get that. And so it's like 0:05:49.400 --> 0:05:52.040 here's a pretty girl and she meets a handsome guy 0:05:52.080 --> 0:05:54.640 who's nice her and they have a really nice romantic 0:05:54.680 --> 0:06:05.040 time on the beach, I mean an Olivier and like 0:06:05.120 --> 0:06:08.640 they make him charming on purpose, and there's no tension, 0:06:08.800 --> 0:06:12.919 and like she's immediately okay standing up to Mrs Danvers 0:06:12.960 --> 0:06:16.560 and like being outspoken, Like there's no dread. It's just 0:06:16.640 --> 0:06:18.920 like you said, like Melissa, like a perfume, Matt, It's 0:06:18.960 --> 0:06:21.200 just like flat. Yeah. I think it's a problem too, 0:06:21.240 --> 0:06:23.480 is that it tried to do too, Like it tried 0:06:23.520 --> 0:06:26.680 to be two different movies. It tried to be like 0:06:26.800 --> 0:06:29.680 a weird rom com because there's like a meat cute, 0:06:29.720 --> 0:06:33.520 she's clumsy, they fall in love at the end, and 0:06:34.360 --> 0:06:38.200 it also tried to be like this thriller and then 0:06:38.279 --> 0:06:41.040 also then a detective movie at the end where she's 0:06:41.120 --> 0:06:45.320 like running through the doctor's office, like it turned into 0:06:45.400 --> 0:06:48.560 a caper in the third act and you're like, she 0:06:48.720 --> 0:06:52.000 just oceans eight like this entire like last half of 0:06:52.040 --> 0:06:53.960 this movie. It didn't make. I was like, what are 0:06:53.960 --> 0:06:59.680 you trying to do? Is a masterpiece? But it is? 0:07:00.040 --> 0:07:02.559 And say all the way through, you know I who 0:07:02.839 --> 0:07:07.040 commits I will say. The thing to me that felt 0:07:07.279 --> 0:07:10.560 wrong is I'm trying to make this movie like feminist 0:07:10.640 --> 0:07:13.119 e girl power Like they were like, oh, she won't 0:07:13.160 --> 0:07:15.760 be such a wallflower, like she'll have agency and the 0:07:15.800 --> 0:07:18.200 thing don't really get rid of the whole book. Ye 0:07:20.080 --> 0:07:23.000 I had the whole book and also made it more sexual. 0:07:23.000 --> 0:07:28.400 How is not? How is the book more feminist eighty 0:07:28.520 --> 0:07:33.720 years ago than this movie is? Melissa? Girl power is 0:07:33.760 --> 0:07:38.080 a girl sneaking into a doctor's office for her man. No, 0:07:38.160 --> 0:07:41.640 girl power is getting to drive your convertible on the cliffs. 0:07:41.680 --> 0:07:43.400 As soon as she got on the driver's seat, he 0:07:43.480 --> 0:07:46.239 I was like this movie is totally different. If Maxim 0:07:46.320 --> 0:07:49.280 is giving her the keys to the car, like, come on, 0:07:49.840 --> 0:07:53.080 he loves her because she's like a child and an 0:07:53.160 --> 0:07:55.880 innocent that hasn't been corrupted by the world. He doesn't 0:07:55.880 --> 0:07:58.880 want her drive in the car. No, No, he wants 0:07:58.880 --> 0:08:01.600 her because he can control her, because she's subdued, like 0:08:01.680 --> 0:08:05.160 Rebecca was untamable. Well, I think so much of the 0:08:05.200 --> 0:08:09.840 book is about whether or not women can maintain their 0:08:09.880 --> 0:08:14.920 identity in marriage, and Rebecca can by floating all the 0:08:15.000 --> 0:08:19.040 rules about marriage. And Mr Winter never even gets a name, 0:08:19.120 --> 0:08:22.480 like she can't. She is completely a prisoner of her marriage. 0:08:22.840 --> 0:08:25.400 I just have to say, I felt like at every 0:08:25.480 --> 0:08:30.480 turn that completely shifted the female characters and made them 0:08:30.560 --> 0:08:34.840 somehow worse, except for Mrs Danvers. I feel like Mrs 0:08:34.920 --> 0:08:38.320 Danver's was the most consistent in terms of from the 0:08:38.360 --> 0:08:42.440 book to this film adaptations. Less gay, annoying, definitely, but 0:08:43.240 --> 0:08:46.240 still the most consistent. Like I felt like Mrs van 0:08:46.240 --> 0:08:49.360 Hopper in the book and even in the nineteen forties movie, 0:08:49.640 --> 0:08:52.960 she was an unpleasant person, but she was unpleasant in 0:08:53.000 --> 0:08:58.880 a normal way. This movie was just like she was 0:08:59.040 --> 0:09:02.760 literally a monster lady, but it was the book was 0:09:02.960 --> 0:09:05.800 The book was funny because she was unpleasant in a 0:09:05.880 --> 0:09:08.640 relatable way. And the book is very funny because like 0:09:08.840 --> 0:09:11.920 people act in ways that people actually act. And this 0:09:12.000 --> 0:09:15.320 was like it was like written as if an alien 0:09:15.360 --> 0:09:18.439 had never heard a joke before. Like, yeah, and Dowd 0:09:18.920 --> 0:09:22.000 in a different movie, I would have loved this performance 0:09:22.040 --> 0:09:24.160 that and Owd gave because she was just eat chewing 0:09:24.240 --> 0:09:27.199 up the furniture. It's like you go go to the 0:09:27.320 --> 0:09:30.800 Leven and Dowd, but then it's like then it's like surprised. 0:09:30.800 --> 0:09:33.920 We we directed a completely different movie outside of you. 0:09:35.360 --> 0:09:37.319 But I will say that I will watch. I would 0:09:37.320 --> 0:09:40.760 watch and Owd have the flu for like an hour 0:09:40.840 --> 0:09:45.079 and a half. She was so funny being sick, just 0:09:45.160 --> 0:09:54.440 like like that that drool that was like really did 0:09:54.520 --> 0:10:00.400 the close up of the drool? I gasped, like be more? 0:10:01.280 --> 0:10:04.360 Going back to Karama, what you were saying about dan Verse, 0:10:04.400 --> 0:10:08.200 I totally agree. She was amazing. What I didn't like 0:10:08.440 --> 0:10:11.160 that they made her do at the end is say 0:10:11.280 --> 0:10:14.200 all of the subtext in a monologue, her momog at 0:10:14.200 --> 0:10:18.240 the end, it was literally the Chanting Rebecca of speeches 0:10:18.280 --> 0:10:20.880 where she's like I had to burn it down it 0:10:21.040 --> 0:10:24.360 was our place, mine and Rebecca's that I care about. 0:10:24.600 --> 0:10:27.160 I couldn't let you have it. It's like, you don't 0:10:27.160 --> 0:10:34.280 have to say a suicide. Seeing suicide don't mean she 0:10:34.400 --> 0:10:37.839 also could you just you could have just seen that 0:10:37.920 --> 0:10:40.040 shot if that was the choice that decaid to make, 0:10:40.320 --> 0:10:42.600 and you could understand, like you don't need to say 0:10:42.640 --> 0:10:46.560 a goddamn word. Yeah. I didn't love the trying to 0:10:46.640 --> 0:10:49.199 convince her not to kill herself when all you've done 0:10:49.360 --> 0:10:52.160 is being odds with each other, like Mrs de Winter 0:10:52.400 --> 0:10:57.880 wants her to die. Like, I just didn't power the 0:10:57.920 --> 0:11:01.400 women helping seem very wrong. Come to me. They were like, 0:11:01.760 --> 0:11:04.160 here's a montage of party planning, and we're on the 0:11:04.280 --> 0:11:09.920 same team. Can you believe my god? That was I 0:11:09.960 --> 0:11:12.040 actually kind of liked the party planning were on the 0:11:12.080 --> 0:11:15.920 same page part because I knew that it was fake 0:11:16.440 --> 0:11:18.680 Mrs Danvers, and I was kind of like, oh, okay, 0:11:18.720 --> 0:11:21.120 this is like when Regina George says, oh my gosh, 0:11:21.200 --> 0:11:23.400 I love that skirt. Where did you get it? And 0:11:23.480 --> 0:11:26.600 I just knew that as soon as she turned her back, 0:11:26.679 --> 0:11:28.360 it was going to be like, that's the ugliest effing 0:11:28.400 --> 0:11:31.800 skirt I've ever seen. Why don't you jump up a balcony. 0:11:32.640 --> 0:11:35.000 I have a question, and I wasn't sure about this, 0:11:35.040 --> 0:11:38.240 and so I'm asking you, as like smart TV writing people, 0:11:38.720 --> 0:11:40.800 they made a choice of changed from the book that 0:11:40.840 --> 0:11:44.440 seems sort of minor, which is that Danvers fed the 0:11:44.520 --> 0:11:48.320 dress idea through the servant and I like that, okay, 0:11:48.360 --> 0:11:52.800 but here's the thing. The difference was, it wasn't a 0:11:52.880 --> 0:11:56.040 servant in the book. Her servant just came to the 0:11:56.080 --> 0:11:58.079 house and she was brand new, and so she wouldn't 0:11:58.080 --> 0:12:00.920 have seen Rebecca at the party, which is why when 0:12:00.960 --> 0:12:02.680 she's the only one who sees her in the dress, 0:12:03.080 --> 0:12:05.719 she's like, great, you look great. Have fun. At the 0:12:05.760 --> 0:12:08.760 party where this maid was there at the beginning, she 0:12:08.880 --> 0:12:12.480 was just like a chambermaid. So she knew that Rebecca 0:12:12.520 --> 0:12:15.160 had worn that dress, and dan Verse told her and 0:12:15.200 --> 0:12:17.480 she was like, oh, I just I thought you would 0:12:17.559 --> 0:12:20.800 like it, And she said that Mr. De Winter would 0:12:20.840 --> 0:12:25.840 be so happy. She should fire hold these people the 0:12:25.840 --> 0:12:32.760 minute that happen. She did try. She was bad at it. 0:12:33.160 --> 0:12:35.880 Oh my god, remember when she tries to fire dan 0:12:36.000 --> 0:12:37.920 Verse and then Max got mad at her because he 0:12:37.960 --> 0:12:40.920 thought that she was having an affair with with Jack 0:12:43.640 --> 0:12:46.360 was so weird, although I will say he was perfectly 0:12:46.400 --> 0:12:50.640 cast favel. I thought that was exactly the right amount 0:12:50.840 --> 0:12:53.920 of like the in between that we've been talking about 0:12:53.960 --> 0:12:58.000 in terms of the actor. Thigh scene was sexy, but 0:12:58.040 --> 0:13:00.440 what didn't make sense in real life she would be 0:13:00.520 --> 0:13:03.480 I think, too embarrassed to have said anything where in 0:13:03.520 --> 0:13:07.679 this she can't be confident enough to fire Mrs Danvers, 0:13:07.720 --> 0:13:10.320 but not conid enough to tell Jack like funk off. 0:13:10.640 --> 0:13:13.560 And then why would Max ever think She's like, Hey, 0:13:13.559 --> 0:13:16.040 a weird guy showed up at our probity today, whoa 0:13:16.200 --> 0:13:22.560 to visit? You know that your question about Mrs Danvers 0:13:22.600 --> 0:13:26.559 in the movie making the choice to like manipulate Mrs 0:13:26.559 --> 0:13:30.800 de Winter through the the Maid, I see what you're 0:13:30.840 --> 0:13:32.760 saying because in the book, to me, I'm like, Mrs 0:13:32.840 --> 0:13:35.480 Danvers would handle her own ship, like she wouldn't like 0:13:35.960 --> 0:13:39.720 delegate that manipulation to other people. Like I liked that 0:13:39.760 --> 0:13:41.520 in the book that like she is the one that 0:13:41.559 --> 0:13:47.760 she's doing, She's the one doing the game manipulation. Yeah, 0:13:47.840 --> 0:13:51.440 and I do, yeah, just from a writing perspective, and uh, 0:13:51.480 --> 0:13:53.840 you know, christ and Scott Thomas perspective. You have this 0:13:53.920 --> 0:13:57.440 great actor and I think The reason why I was like, 0:13:57.840 --> 0:14:01.040 what at the montage was it was such flip as 0:14:01.040 --> 0:14:03.560 opposed to you could have you could see dan Verse 0:14:03.679 --> 0:14:08.160 like warm to Mrs de Winter and say like are 0:14:08.160 --> 0:14:10.600 you having trouble with your costume? But you could see 0:14:10.640 --> 0:14:13.760 the manipulation and just like you see in the book 0:14:13.800 --> 0:14:15.560 and you're like, don't do it. It's like saying like 0:14:15.600 --> 0:14:19.000 don't go into the basement or whatever in a horror movie, 0:14:19.280 --> 0:14:21.560 and you don't get that in this one. It just 0:14:21.600 --> 0:14:24.080 goes from them not liking each other to a montage 0:14:24.120 --> 0:14:27.560 where they're planning a party. Yeah, it's like where someone 0:14:27.600 --> 0:14:29.360 if someone is mean to you, but in like a 0:14:29.400 --> 0:14:33.120 dominant way, there is something sort of like weird and manipulative. 0:14:33.280 --> 0:14:36.600 Then they kind of like give you a tidbit that 0:14:36.640 --> 0:14:39.040 you're like, oh, thank you, that's really helpful. Like I 0:14:39.080 --> 0:14:42.560 wanted to see that relationship laid out with it nance 0:14:43.240 --> 0:14:46.880 health point. But what I said, even in the last 0:14:46.920 --> 0:14:51.640 one um for Rebecca and for the book, why on 0:14:51.840 --> 0:14:54.440 earth would she trust Mrs Danvers when she tells her 0:14:54.480 --> 0:14:57.040 to wear this costume. So for me, the reason it 0:14:57.120 --> 0:14:59.600 made sense for her to have her go through the 0:14:59.680 --> 0:15:04.080 main Clari's was because Clara's has no reason to lie 0:15:04.320 --> 0:15:07.160 or to not be friendly to Mrs de Winter. So 0:15:07.320 --> 0:15:10.240 that's what I liked about that, because it was a tactic. 0:15:10.320 --> 0:15:12.560 She was like, look, she's already tried to fire me. 0:15:13.240 --> 0:15:17.120 She is like very sauce right now. So if I 0:15:17.240 --> 0:15:20.240 do this through Hoosie, what's it? She might actually wear 0:15:20.280 --> 0:15:23.320 this and I can get my revenge for the movie. 0:15:23.360 --> 0:15:25.800 I think that makes sense because in this book, Yeah, 0:15:25.800 --> 0:15:28.840 because in the book, why can keep calling her Rebecca 0:15:29.040 --> 0:15:33.880 Mrs i Am the American audience that is like Rebecca 0:15:36.040 --> 0:15:39.800 because she doesn't try to fire Mrs Danvers at the 0:15:39.840 --> 0:15:42.440 beginning like in the book. I love that Mrs Danvers 0:15:42.520 --> 0:15:46.280 is such a slow burn that there isn't anything, egregiously 0:15:46.680 --> 0:15:49.120 a red flag for Mrs de Winter that it would 0:15:49.120 --> 0:15:52.520 make her feel untrustworthy. But in the I mean, in 0:15:52.560 --> 0:15:55.320 this movie, they're just like, I mean, yeah, because it 0:15:55.360 --> 0:15:57.280 does feel like it could have been a more interesting 0:15:57.320 --> 0:15:59.920 relationship like the book, Like you were saying, crama of 0:16:00.040 --> 0:16:03.160 the Regina George, who is so good at manipulating and 0:16:03.320 --> 0:16:05.240 is so good at like you're terrified of her. But 0:16:05.320 --> 0:16:07.680 then when she's nice to you and suggests you wear 0:16:07.720 --> 0:16:09.800 that top, you wear the top, you know, And I 0:16:09.840 --> 0:16:14.240 feel like that's what was missing in both movies. Frankly, 0:16:14.360 --> 0:16:17.760 that's fair, that's absolutely fair. And both movies were directed 0:16:17.800 --> 0:16:21.800 by men who generally don't find themselves in those similar 0:16:22.280 --> 0:16:28.240 manipulative relationships. True. Do you think that making Clarise does 0:16:28.280 --> 0:16:32.520 it assumes that Clarice is dumb to the point of 0:16:32.560 --> 0:16:37.120 being treacherous. I think if she had any instant word 0:16:37.200 --> 0:16:40.240 self presentation, at least she requestioned whether or not that 0:16:40.320 --> 0:16:43.960 was advice that she should pass along immediately to her employer, 0:16:44.040 --> 0:16:46.800 a person who can fire her immediately. I bought her 0:16:46.840 --> 0:16:51.520 as dumb. I bought her too. I kind of liked 0:16:51.720 --> 0:16:55.320 in the book the way that Danvers planted someone with 0:16:55.360 --> 0:16:58.200 her who had not been in the house before, because 0:16:58.240 --> 0:17:00.840 I think that that also sort of know dan versus 0:17:00.920 --> 0:17:04.159 sort of like spider touch, that she knew like, Okay, 0:17:04.160 --> 0:17:06.160 I'm not going to give her someone experienced you can 0:17:06.240 --> 0:17:09.240 like contradict me in anything, so I'm the only expert 0:17:09.280 --> 0:17:12.520 in the house. Um. But I guess that is also 0:17:12.640 --> 0:17:15.920 very subtle and maybe couldn't have been conveyed as visually. 0:17:16.480 --> 0:17:20.919 But yeah, I think by empowering, I'm putting that in 0:17:21.000 --> 0:17:25.280 quotes like Lily James's character in like the most routine 0:17:25.560 --> 0:17:29.679 like Hollywood notes way, they totally undermine the point of 0:17:29.680 --> 0:17:32.840 the book, like she's not supposed to be confident. This 0:17:32.920 --> 0:17:37.200 is a weird arbitrary space with weird arbitrary rules where 0:17:37.200 --> 0:17:39.359 if you have not been raised in it, it is 0:17:39.440 --> 0:17:42.040 designed to make you feel. And that's why the turn 0:17:42.080 --> 0:17:45.520 in the book is so powerful when she does like 0:17:45.640 --> 0:17:49.480 come into her power, because it's not real. It's her 0:17:49.640 --> 0:17:52.920 feeling like I am now on the team of this man. 0:17:53.640 --> 0:17:56.520 She's now like complicit with this murderer, and that's what 0:17:56.640 --> 0:17:59.359 gives her the power, and that's why it's so fucked 0:17:59.480 --> 0:18:03.920 up and and subversive. You know, she can only be 0:18:04.080 --> 0:18:06.720 she can only get her power, like like Jennifer said, 0:18:06.760 --> 0:18:15.160 by like totally subsuming her identity to her husband. Yeah, yeah, apology, 0:18:15.960 --> 0:18:18.120 you understand that you want to help your husband get 0:18:18.119 --> 0:18:21.680 away with her. No, I'm still not there. I will 0:18:21.760 --> 0:18:25.199 never be there. There is no person on earth that 0:18:25.240 --> 0:18:27.359 would be my partner that I would help get away 0:18:27.359 --> 0:18:30.960 with murder and definitely not a man. Okay, So now 0:18:31.000 --> 0:18:33.360 that that's been put aside, I don't know your apology 0:18:33.400 --> 0:18:35.560 for that you will never apologize for that. What I 0:18:35.600 --> 0:18:38.000 do owe you an apology for is you were like, 0:18:38.040 --> 0:18:40.680 I think it's important that we never see Rebecca, and 0:18:40.760 --> 0:18:42.880 I was like, no, I want a dame named Rebecca, 0:18:43.040 --> 0:18:46.560 and they gave me the exact thing that I wanted, Like, 0:18:46.960 --> 0:18:54.000 I didn't like that for her to be in a 0:18:54.400 --> 0:18:59.760 red dress. It's like, can you be more predictable? Like 0:19:01.600 --> 0:19:04.120 the vibe that I got was like, you know how 0:19:04.119 --> 0:19:07.080 when in the you Belong with Me music video by 0:19:07.119 --> 0:19:10.160 Taylor Swift, the villain like the girl that the boy 0:19:10.240 --> 0:19:13.560 is dating is Taylor Swift, but with brown hair, and 0:19:13.720 --> 0:19:17.160 when in a red dress, it gave me very like 0:19:17.680 --> 0:19:21.919 mid mid career Taylor Swift vibes. You know what was 0:19:21.960 --> 0:19:25.040 more upsetting than seeing Rebecca is to seeing the like 0:19:25.640 --> 0:19:35.080 um swarm of birds representing one of That was one 0:19:35.119 --> 0:19:37.080 of the three notes I had when I watched this. 0:19:37.160 --> 0:19:39.600 I'm like, I wish the birds spelled out an R. 0:19:45.240 --> 0:19:47.680 I'm breaking with the rest of the movie. It might 0:19:47.840 --> 0:19:51.720 hang out on the top half spelled out? Are is 0:19:51.720 --> 0:19:56.280 that like supposed to be an homage to Yeah? Like 0:19:56.320 --> 0:20:00.959 what the hell? Which Daphne did? Mario also as they 0:20:00.960 --> 0:20:04.000 were like what if we just threw two Daphne's in one, 0:20:04.480 --> 0:20:07.800 throw some birds in there, put in a dame named Rebecca. 0:20:08.280 --> 0:20:11.000 We got the whole shebang. No, but I love birds 0:20:11.119 --> 0:20:14.880 more than anyone else in this chat. But I did 0:20:14.920 --> 0:20:20.600 not with the birds were disrespected. Those birds were not 0:20:20.720 --> 0:20:23.320 my least favorite part of the movie. Every time about 0:20:23.320 --> 0:20:28.280 this movie, everybody's least favorite part. I'll go first and 0:20:28.359 --> 0:20:31.560 say my least favorite part was the action movie ten 0:20:31.600 --> 0:20:34.399 minutes or she alone drives to that she's got to 0:20:34.400 --> 0:20:42.280 find the doctor. No, you don't second for Mrs winter h. 0:20:43.320 --> 0:20:45.560 I mean this might be obvious, but my least favorite 0:20:45.600 --> 0:20:48.920 part was the end. Specifically, Can I read the last line? 0:20:48.960 --> 0:20:51.120 Because I posit and rewound it to write it down. 0:20:51.320 --> 0:20:56.000 It made me so mad. I can see the woman 0:20:56.040 --> 0:20:58.119 I am now, and I know that I've made the 0:20:58.200 --> 0:21:00.640 right decision to save the one thing that is worth 0:21:00.680 --> 0:21:06.919 walking through Flames for love. No, that's the opposite of 0:21:06.920 --> 0:21:10.560 the books, because of this marriage, because he got shot 0:21:10.600 --> 0:21:14.800 in the face. Do you see the love? Oh my god, 0:21:16.280 --> 0:21:18.840 question Mark, it's not even an ending for this weird 0:21:19.000 --> 0:21:21.320 movie that I put together. But they didn't set that 0:21:21.400 --> 0:21:26.359 up at all. I have to go real quick walk 0:21:26.400 --> 0:21:36.679 through Flames for love. So let's take a break. Okay, 0:21:36.760 --> 0:21:41.560 we're back with Popcorn Book Club. Armie Hammer as Maxim 0:21:41.760 --> 0:21:45.800 was the most boring thing I've ever seen. He's like 0:21:46.119 --> 0:21:49.760 a nonentity in this movie. Like when he was not 0:21:49.840 --> 0:21:53.679 on screen, I forgot he existed. Yes, I have to 0:21:53.720 --> 0:21:56.879 say a thing that I said about Armie Hammer before 0:21:56.960 --> 0:21:59.560 this movie came out. I told someone I said the 0:21:59.600 --> 0:22:03.520 words I feel as sorry for Armie Hammer as you 0:22:03.560 --> 0:22:08.360 can for a conventionally attractive, wealthy male movie star, because 0:22:08.560 --> 0:22:10.879 Hollywood has been trying to make him a star and 0:22:10.920 --> 0:22:13.679 it just doesn't take. And then I watched this movie 0:22:13.800 --> 0:22:17.480 and I thought, maybe he just doesn't have it. I 0:22:17.520 --> 0:22:20.600 think you would have got a great Jack Alt. He's 0:22:20.640 --> 0:22:23.240 exactly who I amnted when I am ancing Jack developing 0:22:23.359 --> 0:22:28.200 like a little little puffy, Like was like unbelievably attractive 0:22:28.240 --> 0:22:30.160 ten years ago, but now like he's a little bit 0:22:30.200 --> 0:22:32.760 puffy and like maybe he drinks a little bit too much. 0:22:33.080 --> 0:22:35.480 He'd be perfect for that. Did he have a take 0:22:35.560 --> 0:22:39.320 on this character at all? Stiff Man? I mean, I'm 0:22:39.320 --> 0:22:41.520 like Armie Hammer a lot. I think I'm probably a 0:22:41.520 --> 0:22:44.280 bigger fan of Armie hammert than he's great. I think 0:22:44.480 --> 0:22:48.400 he's it seems like a nice guy Onstagram, is very 0:22:48.440 --> 0:22:54.560 funny Sorry to Bother You. I thought he was really 0:22:54.560 --> 0:22:57.680 a movie. A movie just has to use him, right, Yeah, 0:22:58.320 --> 0:23:01.280 this feels like they kind of all the stuff that 0:23:01.440 --> 0:23:06.200 makes interesting this movie. They knew like a normal man 0:23:06.320 --> 0:23:12.480 who didn't seem like maybe he's a sociopath, a prommercial 0:23:12.880 --> 0:23:17.040 Army Hammer take. So, I think that the problem is 0:23:17.160 --> 0:23:21.840 Armie Hammer is too hot and no, no, no, no, 0:23:22.000 --> 0:23:26.200 hear me out. He's too conventionally attractive to quote unquote hot. 0:23:26.920 --> 0:23:31.439 And I think that he has like character actor energy 0:23:31.640 --> 0:23:34.280 in him, because Sorry to Bother You is probably the 0:23:34.320 --> 0:23:37.480 closest he's ever come to like a character acting part. 0:23:37.760 --> 0:23:39.960 And that's where I think he shines the most. And 0:23:40.000 --> 0:23:43.920 all the things I've seen him in John Hammon energy, 0:23:44.080 --> 0:23:50.120 that James Marston, James Mars, Jamie Harrison problem. But he's 0:23:50.160 --> 0:23:55.480 a really good character actor that West World, right. Yeah. 0:23:55.560 --> 0:23:59.080 I love James Marson. I love James Marson, but I 0:23:59.119 --> 0:24:02.560 think that's his problem is that he's so conventionally handsome. 0:24:02.600 --> 0:24:04.560 People don't always see what like a good actor, you 0:24:04.600 --> 0:24:06.919 know what. I am positive that Arnie Hammer will do 0:24:07.040 --> 0:24:10.560 like an amazing HBO show five years from now, and 0:24:11.320 --> 0:24:17.600 he'll have a lovely renaissance and it'll be a great Yeah. Yeah, 0:24:21.119 --> 0:24:23.760 he should be on succession. That would be amazing, That 0:24:23.800 --> 0:24:27.240 would be that would be perfect. Do well in The 0:24:27.280 --> 0:24:29.720 Man from Uncle. I think I heard good things about that, 0:24:29.840 --> 0:24:32.800 but I never because I'm very fun. People supposed to 0:24:32.800 --> 0:24:36.000 stand for something I don't know, confused, and I'm not 0:24:36.080 --> 0:24:40.119 going to see it. He's he's fun in projects that 0:24:40.240 --> 0:24:42.640 like use his energy like in a fun way, and 0:24:42.680 --> 0:24:47.959