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Speaker 1: Hey, folks, it is Saturday, January twenty fourth, and we

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Speaker 1: hope to hop on this morning and tell you about

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Speaker 1: the triumphant climb with no ropes up one of the

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Speaker 1: tallest buildings in the world by Alex Hannell, a superstar

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Speaker 1: climber who had his live event scheduled to be live

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Speaker 1: streamed on Netflix last night. But we can't tell you

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Speaker 1: about his successful climb because the climb didn't happen. And

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Speaker 1: with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ Robes. Yes,

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Speaker 1: this was supposed to be a triumphant morning, but sure

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Speaker 1: enough they had to cancel the sucker last night. And

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Speaker 1: if you're climbing a building, a glass building without ropes,

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Speaker 1: you probably don't want.

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Speaker 2: It to be moist.

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Speaker 3: It's so funny. I blame you. I blame you for

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Speaker 3: the delay. You actually were praying to.

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Speaker 4: The gods that there would be rain or weather or

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Speaker 4: something that prevented Alex Hunnold from attempting this feat.

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Speaker 3: You didn't want it to happen, and you got your wish.

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Speaker 1: Well, I was not yet. I was praying for a cancelation,

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Speaker 1: not a postponement. Yes, folks, say last night you'll have

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Speaker 1: been seen the story, and it's one that's really fascinating, captivating,

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Speaker 1: and absolutely terrifying. Alex Hannell his plan last night. Netflix

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Speaker 1: been promoting this thing for a while. Supposed to be

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Speaker 1: at eight o'clock Eastern last night, Robes, he was going

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Speaker 1: to climb one of the tallest buildings in the world

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Speaker 1: with no ropes, live on DV.

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Speaker 4: Yes, So we actually had to be at what we

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Speaker 4: chose to be at a wonderful play that my daughter produced,

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Speaker 4: and it was supposed to get over at eight. So

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Speaker 4: you had your phone ready with Netflix in hand.

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Speaker 1: And Darnie had like seven fifteen, seven thirty. We were looking,

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Speaker 1: so it's supposed to have an eight.

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Speaker 4: So you're looking, and you're looking, and you keep refreshing

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Speaker 4: and you're paying attention to what's happening on stage.

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Speaker 3: But I can see you refreshing. And when the play.

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Speaker 4: Ends, right at eight, you look at me and you say, Robes,

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Speaker 4: it's scheduled for Saturday. And I had a panic and

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Speaker 4: I said, no, Saturday in Taipei, Friday night in New York,

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Speaker 4: and you're like, Robes, look and all we saw was Alexhunnold,

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Speaker 4: you know, climbing typeey one oh one Saturday, eight pm

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Speaker 4: Eastern time, and I panicked. I thought, oh my god,

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Speaker 4: we put out an entire podcast and I screwed it up.

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Speaker 3: I was wrong.

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Speaker 5: It was Saturday night, not Friday night.

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Speaker 4: And you know that moment when you think I've just

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Speaker 4: done something terrible that swept over me for a solid

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Speaker 1: And there was no information at the time. We couldn't

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Speaker 1: find We were googling and checking X and we couldn't

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Speaker 1: find new information. But sure enough we finally pieced it

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Speaker 1: together that yes, in fact, this thing had been postponed

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Speaker 1: eight o'clock eastern is what time, And I'm so sorry.

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Speaker 3: So it's a fourteen hours ahead.

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Speaker 4: So it's nine am in Tipay, eight pm in the

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Speaker 3: And so it's scheduled.

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Speaker 4: They just basically pushed it exactly twenty four hours. Look yesterday,

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Speaker 4: when we were talking about the anticipation of this, we

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Speaker 4: looked at the weather at time I pay at nine am.

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Speaker 4: It had partly cloudy skies and just a twenty percent

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Speaker 3: So can you imagine the stress of am I doing it?

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Speaker 3: Am I not? Do I get in the mindset? Do

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Speaker 4: And so within just a few minutes before eight pm

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Speaker 4: or I guess nine am their time, they made the call.

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Speaker 3: It was too wet or the weather looked too bad.

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Speaker 1: And so the weather forecast yesterday they thought they'd be

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Speaker 1: that same forecast essentially today, robes in the sixties and

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Speaker 1: I haven't heard as much talked about with more rain

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Speaker 4: I know, obviously rain when you're talking about glass and steel,

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Speaker 4: in nature, you don't want it to be humid, you

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Speaker 4: So you actually appreciate some humidity when you're urban climbing,

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Speaker 1: I actually don't know if they use the same climbing shoes.

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Speaker 1: There are specialty climbing shoes whar they're hurt like hell

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Speaker 1: because it's supposed to be so tight on your foot,

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Speaker 2: But hey, these guys know what they're doing, right.

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Speaker 4: Have you ever tried climbing on glass? I mean that

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Speaker 4: and any kind if wetness sounds like those two things

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Speaker 1: So he's standing by ropes to go through the process again.

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Speaker 1: Now we challenge, and we wonder, and we think it's difficult,

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Speaker 1: and I'm sure it is. He'd rather have done it

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Speaker 1: prepared for this possibility. I wonder, though, what is going

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Speaker 2: So I don't know what this does. If it's just a.

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Speaker 1: Twenty four hour shift and we're going to try it

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Speaker 1: some new safety concerns. What if the building was wet yesterday?

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Speaker 1: Does it get dry enough? What is the I mean,

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Speaker 1: what other factors? So, yes, I did not I still

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Speaker 1: don't want him to climb this building. That's personal. This

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Speaker 1: is not a criticism of him. A lot of people

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Speaker 2: You know what ropes?

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Speaker 1: We were laughing and it's all a good time. Stray,

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Speaker 1: He's going to space. Oh my goodness, anticipation, let's get ready.

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Speaker 1: The day we saw him in a damn flight suit

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Speaker 2: Those stairs, we freaked out. You know, that's right.

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Speaker 5: I had not thought about that.

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Speaker 4: That's comparison, but that is a perfect comparison. You were

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Speaker 3: And we thought, this is perfect.

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Speaker 4: We love Stray, he's our guy, and we're gonna be

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Speaker 4: And yet when the moment came and we were watching, I.

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Speaker 3: Was holding my breath.

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Speaker 4: I actually was a little taken aback at how I

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Speaker 4: just went into friend mode, emotional mode, please don't die mode,

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Speaker 4: and the journalism cap almost came off in some points

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Speaker 4: during that special report, because in that it was life

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Speaker 3: And that's exactly what's at stake tonight.

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Speaker 4: And so yes, I understand you just brought it home

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Speaker 3: Because I have never met Alex Haunold personally.

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Speaker 4: You spent time with him, you climbed with him and

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Speaker 4: all of his pals, so I can understand what you

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Speaker 4: I mean, obviously, I don't want to see anything tragic happen.

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Speaker 4: I want to see something triumphant happen. But you feel

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Speaker 3: Never met it.

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Speaker 2: But I feel it strongly.

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Speaker 1: And that's the thing that brought you, the one that

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Speaker 1: so against him doing this, and it doesn't make sense

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Speaker 1: why I should want to. What was the guy Wilinda

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Speaker 1: when they do the typrogram love that stuff. Never met

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Speaker 1: him in my life, do you think, Man, Oh my god,

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Speaker 1: this is so cool. Mm.

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Speaker 5: This is a tightrope over Niagara Falls. I watched that.

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Speaker 5: That was crazy.

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Speaker 1: It was fun, like you said, And you know what,

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Speaker 1: he did have ted, he was tethered in some way,

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Speaker 1: so if he had plays so, man, I don't know

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Speaker 1: if that made a difference, but this is just a

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Speaker 1: of him walking out up the stairs to go and board.

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Speaker 2: That was the moment we were like no, stop this like, don't.

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Speaker 5: Go aboard, don't go in.

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Speaker 4: And you know it's one of the you know what

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Speaker 4: it's when you saw Gail King's face when she did

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Speaker 4: the same. It's like it all sounds like a good

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Speaker 4: idea until you actually are about to do it, and

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Speaker 4: then suddenly the reality and the gravity of what you're

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Speaker 4: but I'm just saying Gail King's face right before she

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Speaker 4: went into the capsule or whatever you call it, is

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Speaker 4: exactly how we were feeling when we watched Stray.

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Speaker 1: Walk into his She had the abort face herself, like abord,

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Speaker 1: what have I done?

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Speaker 2: Aboard?

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Speaker 1: So yes, that's why I guess I am and he

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Speaker 1: and I. Let me make clear here, he and I

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Speaker 1: aren't best buds. We aren't tight. I haven't talked to

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Speaker 1: him eight years. Probably we sat down for two hours.

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Speaker 2: That's it.

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Speaker 1: But I just this community, these guys, I love them,

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Speaker 1: and I just don't want him to do it, and

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Speaker 1: if he does it, I want it to be triumphant

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Speaker 1: and I'm rooting for him.

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Speaker 2: Robes. It is just this stuff is terrifying.

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Speaker 4: Does it make you feel any better that? Look, Netflix

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Speaker 4: had a lot at stake. They promoted the hell out

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Speaker 4: of this thing. They chose Friday night at eight pm

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Speaker 4: Eastern time for a reason. They wanted to prove what

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Speaker 4: they could do, the spectacle that they could create.

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Speaker 3: They want to get into live programming.

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Speaker 4: It's something that we know streaming services are looking to

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Speaker 4: enter with big events, sporting, all of that. So for

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Speaker 4: them to call it off minutes before and say safety

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Speaker 4: remains our top priority. We appreciate your understanding. Does that

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Speaker 4: make you feel any better that they were willing to

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Speaker 4: pull the plug?

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Speaker 1: What I'm saying here is they did the right thing.

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Speaker 1: I'm not surprised they did the right thing because there's

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Speaker 1: You are talking about free soloing of building that tall.

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Speaker 4: But obviously he knows what he's doing more than any

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Speaker 4: oh one fingers crossed exclamation point, same time tomorrow on Netflix.

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Speaker 1: And this is the beauty of We were talking about

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Speaker 1: He's pulled off the biggest climbing feet I think in

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Speaker 4: And this isn't just about the physical prowess of an athlete.

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Speaker 1: I've told you it's one of my favorite exercises or

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Speaker 4: They think seventy five minutes. That's what most people are

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Speaker 3: This is going to take him.

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Speaker 4: But you know, it's one thing when he did when

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Speaker 3: It would be awesome to watch that first.

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Speaker 4: Because I think you'd feel more into what you're seeing

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Speaker 1: Can recall well certainly nothing to this scale. This is

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Speaker 3: You would be careful about you.

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Speaker 4: You act differently when you know, especially in real time,

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Speaker 1: I guess that is what's I you know what, knowing

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Speaker 3: Behavior really as a human being.

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Speaker 4: I have absolutely made different decisions because I'm a mom

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Speaker 3: But he spoke directly about this.

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Speaker 4: We talked about it to The New York Times, saying, eh,

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Speaker 3: I'm not worried about that. Financially.

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Speaker 1: That's just he compartmentalizes and he sees things in that way,

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Speaker 1: and that's that's probably necessary. I couldn't do something like.

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Speaker 3: This is absolutely necessary.

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Speaker 4: Emotionally, I couldn't do this, even if physically I could

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Speaker 3: Would be a wreck.

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Speaker 1: We talked about if anybody has Alex Hannell's wedding video

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Speaker 5: I would love I would pay to see those vous.

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Speaker 1: He is just a different, a special and a wildly

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Speaker 1: if they cancel this thing, sweetheart, I will have a

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Speaker 2: If they can ansel it, then I would. If he

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Speaker 4: Top successful, you know what, he's doing what he loves,

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Speaker 2: And what would it be for you?

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Speaker 1: Ask yourself, folks, if you could die doing what you love,

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Speaker 2: I wonder what would that thing be?

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Speaker 4: What? As you see sitting sitting next to you on

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Speaker 3: I love being on a plane.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Wow, all right, folks, we are going to do

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Speaker 2: We will.

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Speaker 1: We will hop on if there any other updates, folks.

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Speaker 1: Always appreciate you spending some time with us on behalf

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Speaker 1: of my dear Amy Robot.

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Speaker 2: I'm t J. Holmes. Talk to the ELSERM