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Speaker 3: we've if we've done things correctly Ben before we but
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Speaker 3: lovely autumnal afternoon here at the Ihearst Studios. We are
Speaker 3: recording in person.
Speaker 5: I know it's the first time in a minute. I
Speaker 5: commented when Matt walked into the room, Matt, you're a person.
Speaker 2: Well instead of just a face in a square, you
Speaker 2: guys get your ridiculous history time in and I'm way
Speaker 2: up far away now, so I'm sorry, but I want
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Speaker 3: We're glad that you're here, and we're hoping to make
Speaker 3: this a regular thing. Let's dive right in without further
Speaker 3: ado or a do do or et cetera. It turns out,
Speaker 3: you guys know catalytic converters.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, people like to steal them, right because they
Speaker 5: have copper in them.
Speaker 4: Isn't that the thing?
Speaker 3: They all kinds of good ways.
Speaker 4: Even like, no, there's some element in them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Catalytic converters are the gun. Them are the
Speaker 3: government mandated things that are the government mandated things that
Speaker 3: help reduce emissions in internal combustion vehicles. And you're right,
Speaker 3: and all they do have platinum. They also have rodium
Speaker 3: and palladium. You can get a lot of bang for
Speaker 3: your buck if you're a thief. You can sell these
Speaker 3: for a couple of couple of hundred per unit. And
Speaker 3: just recently, three members of the same family in California
Speaker 3: have led guilty to a conspiracy for running a catalytic
Speaker 3: converter specific theft ring that shipped six hundred million dollars
Speaker 3: worth of these things, Holy cow.
Speaker 5: To Jersey is going to Jersey. Why it's like the
Speaker 5: air bag scam from the Sopranos. We talked about that too,
Speaker 5: Like people like like steal air bags and then they
Speaker 5: sell them to like scrap yards that sell undeployed air bags. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, and this I'll be honest. I get these alerts
Speaker 3: whenever somebody officially gets charged with or convicted of conspiracy.
Speaker 2: So is it what is the alert? What is your
Speaker 2: Google alert?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 4: What does this say?
Speaker 3: It just says it says conspiracy and then law enforcement
Speaker 3: or court got it. So because usually you know, when
Speaker 3: you do a Google alert, you can't just say conspiracy.
Speaker 3: Way way too much stuff a lot of hip hop, surprisingly,
Speaker 3: But let's go to a great article in the New
Speaker 3: York Times by Johnny Diaz h. This was a national
Speaker 3: network of thieves, dealers, and what they're calling processors. So
Speaker 3: to su Vang and then Andrew Vang and their mother
Speaker 3: Monica MOI, we're all from all from Sacramento, California. They're
Speaker 3: all part of this ring. They would transport stolen catalytic
Speaker 3: converters and then they would get paid by wire. They
Speaker 3: all pled guilty, uh and they unfortunately one of them,
Speaker 3: the first, the first one, Tel Suvang, had also pled
Speaker 3: guilty to thirty nine different charges related to money laundry.
Speaker 2: WHOA, yeah, well, that that's interesting. I wonder how that
Speaker 2: all were out. Would love to see the like inner
Speaker 2: workings of that.
Speaker 5: Like, you know, it seems like the elements and such
Speaker 5: in the catalytic converters are of such value that that
Speaker 5: in and of itself.
Speaker 4: Would be the grift.
Speaker 5: I don't understand how the money laundering all.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the money laundering is explaining to the government how, yes,
Speaker 3: generated the income. So like the breaking bad car wash
Speaker 3: kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, and think about all the shipping you're doing,
Speaker 2: like from California to New Jersey and catalytic converters. They're
Speaker 2: not huge, but they're also not tiny either.
Speaker 5: It wasn't the whole point of the money laundering grip
Speaker 5: that it's legal, Like running a catalytic converter. Theft ring
Speaker 5: is not exactly a good cover story, right, so you
Speaker 5: have to have.
Speaker 3: The good cover story, which is the money laundry. By
Speaker 3: saying like, hey, we I mean, I'm confused.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, no words.
Speaker 2: So you get the you get the bad money, the
Speaker 2: money that needs cleaning. When you get money for the
Speaker 2: converters fifty.
Speaker 3: Fifty dollars per gram of those precious metals.
Speaker 2: Then you've got a front business. I don't know, do
Speaker 2: we know what their business was?
Speaker 5: I think that was my question. I wasn't hearing what
Speaker 5: the front business was.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, we don't have the details yet on
Speaker 3: their front business, but we do know that they had
Speaker 3: they had a heck of one because they had they
Speaker 3: had a heck of one because they had to plead
Speaker 3: guilty to almost forty different money laundering charges. So something
Speaker 3: like a car wash, something like you know, the common
Speaker 3: ones would also be dare I say it? Casinos, but
Speaker 3: then I laundro That don't make sense to me because
Speaker 3: they're all quarters.
Speaker 2: It could be another auto business, honestly, which is probably
Speaker 2: very you know likely. And they laundered thirty eight million
Speaker 2: dollars on their own, unbelievable.
Speaker 5: How many catalytic converters are we talking that would yield
Speaker 5: six hundred million dollars?
Speaker 3: They're not sure yet. We can go to we can
Speaker 3: go to some cocktail math, but maybe that's for future episode.
Speaker 3: What we can say for sure is that last year alone,
Speaker 3: sixteen hundred catalytic converters were stolen in California.
Speaker 5: So these are the kingpins of this whole thing. I mean,
Speaker 5: it probably all traces back to them.
Speaker 4: I mean, they're big fish.
Speaker 3: They're big fish for sure. So just wanted to put
Speaker 3: that out there. Want to hear your stories about chop shops,
Speaker 3: folks on either side of the law, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean, to the point that you're comfortable writing and
Speaker 3: legally speaking. Also, yeah, don't don't steal cars.
Speaker 5: And if you take a cat, don't some people like
Speaker 5: take catalytic converter out on purpose because it makes their
Speaker 5: engines rev louder or something.
Speaker 4: Isn't that a thing?
Speaker 5: Yes, but it's obviously an illegal mod but it's you know,
Speaker 5: and I despise those people cars the government. I hate
Speaker 5: that guy, whoever that is.
Speaker 3: But yeah, and speaking of illegal there's one more story
Speaker 3: wanted to share before we before we move on to
Speaker 3: our second act. The Sineloa cartel. You know them, You're.
Speaker 4: Terrified of them.
Speaker 3: You should be, probably you definitely don't want to rock
Speaker 3: the boat too much because they are functioning often as
Speaker 3: a quasi governmental agency or a quasi governmental power state power.
Speaker 3: Now and they are the currently the top exporter of
Speaker 3: fentanyl to the United States. So let's go to the
Speaker 3: week just recently this news dropped. This is an article
Speaker 3: by Peter Weber or Peter Weber and the cartel has
Speaker 3: and the production and trafficking of fentanyl. According to some
Speaker 3: Wall Street Journal reporting the cartel after putting out this warning,
Speaker 3: they killed several suppliers who kept trying to snake this
Speaker 3: over on the side.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 5: And I think we've always questioned, like it seems like
Speaker 5: bad business for fentanyl to be I mean, maybe they're
Speaker 5: not necessarily lacing their street drugs with fentanyl. They're just
Speaker 5: exporting fentanyl pure in its pure form, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're yes, And fentanyl makes sense if you put
Speaker 3: ethics aside and you're in the drug game, because you
Speaker 3: get so much more bang for your buck. It's so
Speaker 3: much cheaper to produce. You don't have to participate with
Speaker 3: the Golden Triangle or other sources of poppy. I would
Speaker 3: like to read the translation of one of their warnings
Speaker 3: that came out. All right, okay, so in English, this
Speaker 3: says attention due to the epidemic that plagues our country
Speaker 3: and our neighbors, and the loyalty to our principles, we
Speaker 3: want to aid government efforts and CDs to eradicate the
Speaker 3: lethal drug known as fentanyl. Now it won't be now,
Speaker 3: it won't just be forbidden as it has always been
Speaker 3: within our business, but now we will persecute and punish
Speaker 3: the people who make, sell, transport, or lace this drug.
Speaker 5: Wow, So this does kind of speak to the question
Speaker 5: that we've always had, like how is it good business
Speaker 5: if you're killing your customers? You know, for certain types
Speaker 5: of street drugs that get laced with us that don't
Speaker 5: make sense, like cocaine or methamphetamine that aren't opioids, that
Speaker 5: don't have the same analogous effect that fentanyl would produce.
Speaker 5: It just happens to be a similarly white powder that
Speaker 5: you can lace something with. It always seems to me,
Speaker 5: and I think to all of us, to be a
Speaker 5: very head scratchy kind of choice, like why would you
Speaker 5: you want repeat customers? You don't want to kill your
Speaker 5: customer upon their first purchase of your product.
Speaker 4: That just doesn't make sense. You want, at the very
Speaker 4: least you want.
Speaker 5: To get them hooked and maybe you kill them down
Speaker 5: the line from addiction and things that are associated with it,
Speaker 5: but drop dead. They called it a hot shot back
Speaker 5: in the day, not good business. So this sort of
Speaker 5: speaks to they think that too.
Speaker 3: It does, because it's what we have to say. The
Speaker 3: important point for the chain of comn or timeline is
Speaker 3: that fentanyl often it is getting it's put in there
Speaker 3: to adulter rate or step on the product before it
Speaker 3: gets to like the street level dealer. Yes, so they
Speaker 3: don't know necessarily unless they're doing some you know, quality assurance,
Speaker 3: which I imagine they do pretty frequently.
Speaker 2: Sure, don't you. I don't see the cartels need to
Speaker 2: stop or I can't imagine to stop it. For me,
Speaker 2: it's more like maybe law enforcement is hip to stop
Speaker 2: fentanyl because it's getting so much news.
Speaker 5: And they're coming at them so hard. They're like, that's bad. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So further down back to the weak article, that's what
Speaker 3: is happening. Reportedly, it's in response to law enforcement going
Speaker 3: harder on the paint or harder in the paint because
Speaker 3: of these ventanyl overdose deaths that have risen so sharply
Speaker 3: in the US. Cartel operatives like the mid managers, because
Speaker 3: they're big enough to have that sort of Dilbert setup,
Speaker 3: except with a lot of torture and death. The mid
Speaker 3: level managers are talking to the Wall Street Journal, Western Media,
Speaker 3: Mexican media, and one described how he is destroying the
Speaker 3: twenty five ventanyl labs that he was in charge of,
Speaker 3: because a lot of these guys, especially in mid level
Speaker 3: blow think of the more like independent contractors. They have
Speaker 3: a little bit of autonomy, and you have to give
Speaker 3: us this money, so like chicken men.
Speaker 5: But isn't it funny though, how even that threatening thing
Speaker 5: you just read reads like a press release from a
Speaker 5: pharmaceutical company. Yeah, we care so much about our customers
Speaker 5: and the epidemic that this drug has caused. It's always
Speaker 5: been banned. We're mega banning it. It's like they're they're
Speaker 5: looking out for optics. It's strange.
Speaker 2: We'll get you that prescription cocaine if you need it,
Speaker 2: but this ventol, sorry, guys, we're taking it off there
Speaker 2: not lost.
Speaker 3: It's I think it's not lost on anybody. The irony
Speaker 3: of reading these official statements that translation I read to you, guys,
Speaker 3: is from banners that have been hung up at multiple
Speaker 3: drug spots yeah, and they're they're handwritten, they look pretty serious.
Speaker 3: But also the irony here is that of all people,
Speaker 3: the cartel is talking about our principles, that's our values. Like,
Speaker 3: hey guys, we're.
Speaker 4: A family organization.
Speaker 2: It's like they are this is a joke because this
Speaker 2: is specifically old Trapo's sons, right, and this is.
Speaker 3: Like all those mob convert all those mob films. Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: they're called torpedoes, but it's like all those mob films
Speaker 3: where you see some of the older school Italian mafias. Yeah,
Speaker 3: the drugs, saying that drugs are a dirty business. We
Speaker 3: just stay with gambling, right, or you know, don't touch
Speaker 3: the opium or the cocaine. And it always represents a
Speaker 3: paradigm shift or a sea change.
Speaker 5: That's why Don Carleonet got popped because he wouldn't play
Speaker 5: ball with you know, with whomever it was the other
Speaker 5: families that were aligning to, you know, do drugs, and
Speaker 5: Don Carleone was like, nah, I don't believe in that.
Speaker 5: I think it's going to ultimately destroy us if we
Speaker 5: get into this business.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well so what of the other cartels that are like, hey,
Speaker 2: fentanyl's cool with us.
Speaker 3: Well, then that's just going to be another doctrinal difference,
Speaker 3: you know, and they're going to beef over it. That's
Speaker 3: exactly what's going to happen. I mean, a lot of
Speaker 3: fentanyl also is produced in China, right, and the US
Speaker 3: has unsuccessfully attempted to get the PRC to cracked down
Speaker 3: on this. Results aren't in yet. And also, you know,
Speaker 3: we have to add ourselves. What about law enforcement? What
Speaker 3: about the DEA, the FBI or you know, the CIA
Speaker 3: still in the game. Right, you didn't hear it here first?
Speaker 3: What did they do? Did they go there and they
Speaker 3: say because they're focusing hard on stopping Fendel. Did they
Speaker 3: sit down with their contacts, which they definitely do have,
Speaker 3: and say like, hey, guys, I've been to college. You
Speaker 3: know who doesn't love a little cocaine, But this fentanyl
Speaker 3: is getting out of hand. Did they talk to them
Speaker 3: like cool dad style, like hey, Champ.
Speaker 5: Yeah, if you drink at our house, you.
Speaker 2: Know, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a safe space. I do
Speaker 2: wonder if there was something like that, some kind of
Speaker 2: serious pressure, political pressure where because you know that there
Speaker 2: are connections there. We talked not long ago about the
Speaker 2: cartel connections to the upper level military yeah, in Mexico,
Speaker 2: so you know it, there's probably somebody it did exactly
Speaker 2: that Ben.
Speaker 3: Someone came down and did the cool dad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And they're like, look, Browin is just less harmful,
Speaker 2: so keep doing that. Well, we'll ease up on monitoring
Speaker 2: some of that for you as long as you can promise,
Speaker 2: you know, commit getting rid of the fenyl.
Speaker 3: Law enforcement is less likely to talk in euphemistic language
Speaker 3: than intelligence agencies. But I could totally see something when
Speaker 3: they say, guys, look, at the end of the day,
Speaker 3: it's all about harm reduction, you know. I I think
Speaker 3: it will reduce harm to to your consumers if we
Speaker 3: have less fentandol, and will certainly reduce harm to you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 3: And they're like, all right, well, great meeting. I gotta
Speaker 3: I gotta go, you know, back over the border. No,
Speaker 3: they meet within the US some predictions.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they're also like, oh, but do you remember
Speaker 2: who we are law enforcement agency and whoever you are.
Speaker 3: Anyway, that's a that's a wild meeting at the Betigans
Speaker 3: right over in Phoenix. And the last thing before we
Speaker 3: move on, And this is something I think should be
Speaker 3: an episode in the future. How does back to the
Speaker 3: idea of cleaning the money like the catalytic converters. How
Speaker 3: do you clean this money derived from the massive drug trade.
Speaker 3: It's a crime ring based in China that's also used
Speaker 3: by his bola. That's the story. There are a lot
Speaker 3: of tether coins. They're called like yeah, another bitcoin. So
Speaker 3: just the teaser for future episode on another evening. For now,
Speaker 3: don't do drugs. Try your best not to steal cars.
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Speaker 5: And we've returned with another piece of strange news. Sasquatch, Bigfoot,
Speaker 5: skunk ape, the Abominable Snowman, the yetti back in the news.
Speaker 5: Y'all's back in the news.
Speaker 4: What was that amazing photo?
Speaker 5: The most famous one from nineteen sixty seven?
Speaker 4: It's got a name, is it?
Speaker 5: The one whereas walking stride to see it in bumper stickers,
Speaker 5: you see it in fridge magnets. Well, we have another
Speaker 5: sighting that looks remarkably similar to that one. But we
Speaker 5: also have a video now and much like the recent
Speaker 5: Nessy convention, I guess that descended on lock nest to
Speaker 5: sort of reinvigorate interest in some of these cryptids that
Speaker 5: have maybe fallen out of the public consciousness a little bit,
Speaker 5: largely because they've been debunked multiple times over. This seems
Speaker 5: to have the potential to, you know, also reinvigorate interest
Speaker 5: in uh YETI hunting or bigfoot hunting. We all had
Speaker 5: a lovely time going to a sasquatch museum.
Speaker 4: In Blue Ridge, Georgia.
Speaker 5: I believe it's called was it Operation Big Expedition big
Speaker 5: Foot elj el j. If you're ever around this neck
Speaker 5: of the woods here in Georgia and you go up
Speaker 5: into the Blue Ridge Mountains area on your way, there's
Speaker 5: this really cool museum that is much like, you know,
Speaker 5: the kinds of things you might see at Epcot Center
Speaker 5: in Disney.
Speaker 4: This guy, what was his name.
Speaker 5: David Bikera, Yeah, very very influenced by Disney Imagineering, and
Speaker 5: so there's a lot of these little exhibits. This guy
Speaker 5: is an active bigfoot enthusiasts. He has like vehicles on
Speaker 5: display with like radar dishes or whatever, whispered dishes that
Speaker 5: you use to kind of like amplify sound, and he's
Speaker 5: got them all built onto these little bespoke golf carts.
Speaker 5: This is the kind of guy that I think would
Speaker 5: take great interest into this story. So this one, though,
Speaker 5: we always, you know, talked about bigfoot as being a
Speaker 5: bit of a regional phenomenon, like a lot of times
Speaker 5: in the Pacific Northwest, a couple of other locations. I
Speaker 5: don't know that I've ever heard of one being seen
Speaker 5: in Colorado.
Speaker 4: Have y'all?
Speaker 3: It would make sense potentially, because there's a no enough uh,
Speaker 3: there's enough rural area in wilderness.
Speaker 5: That's sort of the key, right with most cryptids, it's like,
Speaker 5: where can they thrive where there aren't eyes on them
Speaker 5: all the time?
Speaker 3: Where's the bigfoot in Bushwick?
Speaker 4: You know what I mean exactly?
Speaker 5: He's he's hanging out at a dive bar, djaying probably.
Speaker 2: You know, guys, we should low key make that whatever
Speaker 2: that is like Bushwick Bigfoot.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the big big Foot of Bushwick. That should be
Speaker 4: like a children's.
Speaker 3: Might be a guy he's already very much could be.
Speaker 5: But so a guy named Stetson Parker, which is a
Speaker 5: great name, Stetson presumably named after the hat maybe not,
Speaker 5: and his wife Shannon took a little a pleasure tour,
Speaker 5: I suppose, on a vintage railroad in Colorado called the
Speaker 5: Durango and Silverton Narrow Gage railroad that quote provides historic
Speaker 5: and entertaining rides. This story comes from the New York
Speaker 5: Times in an article by Claire Moses, and the Parker's
Speaker 5: got a little more of the they bargained for with
Speaker 5: the price of admission for that little tour.
Speaker 4: They sighted a bigfoot. The bigfoot.
Speaker 5: I mean, again, we don't know are there many of them?
Speaker 5: Is they're just the one? Seems like there would have
Speaker 5: to be many. And there's footage of this, you can
Speaker 5: see it online. It's been shared all across social media.
Speaker 5: And it's a you know, a shot out the window.
Speaker 5: And if you've ever been on a train trip, you
Speaker 5: know in the maybe out west or in parts of
Speaker 5: the country that are a little more rural, lots of
Speaker 5: really awesome wide vistas, you can get really cool shots
Speaker 5: just from the train window using your phone that look
Speaker 5: like cinematic because of how huge the horizon is and
Speaker 5: the you know, the kind of scale of the shot.
Speaker 5: And in this you see some brush some kind of
Speaker 5: scrubby brush land, and then if you look in kind
Speaker 5: of zoom in with your eyeballs, you see this bigfoot
Speaker 5: type cat or bear or ape just swing in his
Speaker 5: arms along in a very similar pose a very similar
Speaker 5: posture and gait to that nineteen sixties footage that we
Speaker 5: talked about. The arms out swinging like a polaroid picture.
Speaker 5: That's not a thing, but you can picture it, y'all.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But he at the very beginning of the footage
Speaker 2: I just watched, he does like a quick footage like
Speaker 2: kind of thing to get over a couple of rocks
Speaker 2: and spray a little fella, but then immediately squats down
Speaker 2: and almost camouflage.
Speaker 5: It ends with the squat and he does then or
Speaker 5: they do whatever. This creature then becomes quite camouflaged. It's
Speaker 5: really really fascinating. I mean, honestly, when I first looked
Speaker 5: at it, I was like, this is a deep fake
Speaker 5: that's using the same type of footage that we've seen before.
Speaker 5: Because the posture is so similar. The I guess proximity,
Speaker 5: or rather the scale of the arms, the length of
Speaker 5: the arms in relation to the rest of the body,
Speaker 5: very very similar. The way the hair kind of drapes,
Speaker 5: you know, almost like a wookie type figure.
Speaker 3: You know. It's also a very very short clip.
Speaker 5: It's a very short clip, but all these types of
Speaker 5: clips tend tend to be.
Speaker 2: It's at least super clear, right it is. It's in focus.
Speaker 5: That's why I immediately my mind and again we've been
Speaker 5: tainted by all this AI stuff where now we just
Speaker 5: really can't trust footage and it would be super easy
Speaker 5: to fake a video like this, especially when the whole
Speaker 5: intent is for it to be kind of well to
Speaker 5: your point, Matt, it's not low res exactly, but it
Speaker 5: is a large scale vista with a very small thing
Speaker 5: that's sort of the feature of it. And I could
Speaker 5: just my mind immediately was like, that looks like fake
Speaker 5: Tom Cruise, you know, on a late night show or something.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's talk about the captive audience that you have
Speaker 2: when it's a bunch of human beings on a train
Speaker 2: with devices that can probably record video, right, I mean,
Speaker 2: if you wanted to look like Bigfoot to a lot
Speaker 2: of people at one time, Yeah, this is a great
Speaker 2: place to do it.
Speaker 3: To what end? And then also, how come there haven't
Speaker 3: been more sighting?
Speaker 4: Well to what end?
Speaker 5: I mean, just like yucks, I would argue, just for funzies,
Speaker 5: we get on TMZ.
Speaker 4: Man, we did get on.
Speaker 5: They did get on TMZ and it has led to
Speaker 5: the headline the TMZ headline cops urge scientists or sorry,
Speaker 5: bigfoot sighting scientists should be on the case, not cops,
Speaker 5: So say cops, which is a very TMZ headline, so
Speaker 5: you know there there are some folks associated with the
Speaker 5: National Forests there in Colorado. The TMZ article references then
Speaker 5: under sheriff like in the Colorado area, that is saying
Speaker 5: this the idea that scientists should be looking into this,
Speaker 5: not cops. But I couldn't find much else about that
Speaker 5: that It wasn't mentioned in the in the New York
Speaker 5: Times articles, So definitely worth a little bit of a
Speaker 5: deeper dive. But yeah, one thing that came up. Do
Speaker 5: you guys know what a gilly suit is?
Speaker 3: Yes, it's used to use to disguise people for infiltration
Speaker 3: or for sniping, you know.
Speaker 5: The I think the first time I saw it was
Speaker 5: probably in like one of those Navy Seals kind of
Speaker 5: like commercials where it's like, really, you know, what's it?
Speaker 5: Like one of the video games? What is what are
Speaker 5: those games called Call of Duty? Ask you know where
Speaker 5: it's like you want to do this kids, you know,
Speaker 5: you want to join this elite force because you're used
Speaker 5: to seeing this type of footage in these games and
Speaker 5: you'll see people like emerging from swamps or whatever wearing
Speaker 5: his kind of suits, and they look like like kind
Speaker 5: of wookie suits, but they're a little more like Spanish
Speaker 5: moss or certain types of foliage. I guess there would
Speaker 5: be different ones for different parts, you know, that of
Speaker 5: the of the world or of the environment.
Speaker 3: They're also pretty heavy, though, have you ever snow?
Speaker 2: Oh dude, somebody I know up where I live now
Speaker 2: is a retired marine sniper trainer and he's told story,
Speaker 2: He's told me stories about spending days at a time
Speaker 2: in one of those suits you're talking about that are
Speaker 2: really heavy, right, and uncomfortable and literally not moving for
Speaker 2: days inside one of those things, so that anyone with
Speaker 2: a camera or observing is not gonna notice you whatsoever.
Speaker 3: And don't get them wet because that just makes it heavier.
Speaker 3: And I hear they're very hot. Uncle Sam is not like,
Speaker 3: let's make sure this is breathable fabric.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's not what it's about.
Speaker 3: But to that point, yeah, it makes sense. To your point,
Speaker 3: all that it would be a gilly suit would be
Speaker 3: one of the first immediate explanations. But with the footage,
Speaker 3: we just don't have enough information.
Speaker 2: Well, but it doesn't move like a gilly suit.
Speaker 3: It doesn't.
Speaker 4: It moves.
Speaker 2: It moves like a costume to me.
Speaker 5: It does the way it hangs in the way, but
Speaker 5: that the arms are really long, you know. And then
Speaker 5: there is it does have the appearance of a skeleton, yeah,
Speaker 5: something like behind all of that. For and mister Stetson
Speaker 5: Parker was asked about this gilly suit theory and he h,
Speaker 5: you know, clapped back. Why would someone be wearing a
Speaker 5: gilly suit during the middle of elk hunting season? You know,
Speaker 5: it's a surefire way for anyone to get shot.
Speaker 2: Oh, you know, and that's terrifying if it is a hoax,
Speaker 2: somebody was out there during hunting season.
Speaker 4: And it does.
Speaker 5: I mean, honestly, the way this thing is moving, it's
Speaker 5: moving so much like the classic bigfoot stuff that we've
Speaker 5: seen it unless that's just the way these guys move,
Speaker 5: and it's definitely real. It is somebody looking to get
Speaker 5: a viral video. But think about how many times they
Speaker 5: would have had to do it in order for someone
Speaker 5: to catch it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: You have to predict the train schedules and stuff, which
Speaker 3: isn't impossible by any no.
Speaker 5: But I would argue that if you know, if this
Speaker 5: was the one that popped, they've probably done it multiple times.
Speaker 3: Possibly unless it's just unless it's just some dude wandering,
Speaker 3: because it's far enough away that it doesn't necessarily like
Speaker 3: when you look at this, you don't immediately think this
Speaker 3: is larger than a human being normally, is right, So
Speaker 3: we'd need, you know, to paraphrase Reddit, we'd need a
Speaker 3: banana for scale. We need like someone who's a confirmed
Speaker 3: human being, yes, repeating the same motions as right, to
Speaker 3: see how high the shrub.
Speaker 4: So let's do it.
Speaker 5: And to answer my own question, the nineteen sixty seven
Speaker 5: footage which we've seen screenshot it as a still maybe
Speaker 5: even more than we've seen the footage it was called
Speaker 5: the Patterson Gimlin film, which showed again the same gate
Speaker 5: the arms, you know, to the point where that's such
Speaker 5: a classic piece of cryptid ephemera that this whatever, if
Speaker 5: this is a hoax, unless again, this is just how
Speaker 5: these things move, and this is definitely real. Someone was
Speaker 5: mimicking this, you know, because the arms are swinging in
Speaker 5: the exact same pattern. And I did not realize this,
Speaker 5: but in twenty fourteen Oxford Universe. Researchers investigated thirty hair samples,
Speaker 5: you know, that were purportedly belonging to these types of cryptids,
Speaker 5: and they matched every single one of them to other animals.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think we've probably mentioned the FBI did that too,
Speaker 3: write something similar a few decades earlier.
Speaker 5: I think that must be right. But I'm only seeing
Speaker 5: the thing about the Oxford study.
Speaker 2: Ye.
Speaker 5: But yeah, but this New York Times article also quotes
Speaker 5: a guy named Ryan Willis who's twenty three and founded
Speaker 5: the Trent University Sasquatch Society, which hosts Sasquatch University, which
Speaker 5: is a reality show on the Wild Network that discusses
Speaker 5: bigfoot sightings specifically in Ontario. And I do now remember
Speaker 5: from Bakar's place that Canada is another, you know, prime
Speaker 5: example of like, you know, a great location for sas sightings,
Speaker 5: and there certainly have been plenty because I mean, after all,
Speaker 5: Pacific Northwest, it's practically Canada.
Speaker 3: You know, deciduous forests, you know, there's a lot of
Speaker 3: tree cover. And this I think, Matt, you may be
Speaker 3: onto something. I think maybe this is a field trip
Speaker 3: for us. We can see, we get we need one
Speaker 3: guy on the train, Yes, we need another person. I like, okay,
Speaker 3: how is this not you got the best stretch for that?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 3: What if it's a hobo who is going to hop
Speaker 3: the rails and is waiting for Amtrak to pass by,
Speaker 3: but they're no because they're going at speed and I
Speaker 3: don't think there there's not a safe way to hop
Speaker 3: on a train.
Speaker 5: Not these types of stretches, like there's no no access
Speaker 5: it is it is moving very fast.
Speaker 4: Do you think?
Speaker 3: Okay, what if it's a guy just like a regular
Speaker 3: dude out there and squatted because they didn't want to
Speaker 3: be seen, or squatted because they had to poop or whatever. Uh,
Speaker 3: what if they don't know that they have gone viral
Speaker 3: and have become you know, the subject of a New
Speaker 3: York Times article, or what if they do know? HOWM know?
Speaker 3: Whatever comes forward immediately and it's like, no, it's me,
Speaker 3: scummy Pete. I'm just riding the rails with a bendal
Speaker 3: and hobo.
Speaker 4: Johnson, Yeah, yeah, you got me. I was out there
Speaker 4: speaking of poop.
Speaker 5: Though. Ryan Willis, who I mentioned the Sasquatch University guy,
Speaker 5: is quoted in this New York Times article talking about
Speaker 5: how you know people send him footage all the time,
Speaker 5: different hair samples, and then he's quoted in saying, but
Speaker 5: nobody has sent us bigfoot poop right in the mail
Speaker 5: or anything.
Speaker 3: That's one of our first that was our first questions
Speaker 3: encrypted episodes too, because anything that is closely related to
Speaker 3: a primate, especially when the great apes like humans or gorillas,
Speaker 3: they're going to exhibit predictable nesting behaviors. They'll Chimpanzees also
Speaker 3: are cleaner than humans when it comes to pooping. So
Speaker 3: maybe maybe Bigfoot is just more hygienic than the rest
Speaker 3: of the rest of the primates.
Speaker 5: I mean, he's definitely got a luxurious main, no question
Speaker 5: about that. He's probably using that horse shampoo.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, made.
Speaker 3: Entail and if he's got some if he's got some
Speaker 3: specific wilderness and recon training, then he almost certainly buries
Speaker 3: his you know, buries his poop.
Speaker 5: Yeah, because nobody, you know, you don't want to give
Speaker 5: away your.
Speaker 3: Position or at least have a decent latrine. So we
Speaker 3: are going to become cryptid poop hunters. Is that the takeaway?
Speaker 4: Why not?
Speaker 6: You know?
Speaker 4: At this point, what else is there?
Speaker 3: What else is there?
Speaker 5: Well, I think we've got I think we've gotten to
Speaker 5: the root of this one will be interesting to see
Speaker 5: if anything else comes of this. But it was enough
Speaker 5: for the old New York Times to write about it,
Speaker 5: so it's a very interesting clip. Let us know what
Speaker 5: you think. Look it up.
Speaker 4: It's it's out there.
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Speaker 2: And we've returned. Guys, my obsession with water and water
Speaker 2: related things continues. I apologize to you and to everyone listening.
Speaker 2: I cannot get away from water for one reason or another.
Speaker 3: Are most people obsessed with water?
Speaker 5: Well made of like ninety percent of it or something
Speaker 5: along those yeah seventies.
Speaker 2: I talked to my therapist this morning and he thinks
Speaker 2: it's it's a problem.
Speaker 4: So it's okay. It's okay.
Speaker 5: You're worried about those precious bodily fluids like the like
Speaker 5: the like the guy that goes crazy and doctor Strangelove.
Speaker 2: That's exactly what's going on up in this brain.
Speaker 3: We'll keep an eye on you, Matt Well, I think, yeah.
Speaker 3: But just to be fair, then if if you feel
Speaker 3: obsessed that I'm right there with you, man, because it's
Speaker 3: one of the It's one of the few requirements that
Speaker 3: no one can buy their.
Speaker 5: Way out of yet.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh god, so you remember this other thing, per and
Speaker 2: polyfloral alkyl substances. Boy do I p fas you guys
Speaker 2: remember these forever chemicals?
Speaker 4: Yeah, PFIs first.
Speaker 2: I feel like we talk about them at least once
Speaker 2: a month here on stuff. I don't want you to know.
Speaker 5: The frying pan and stuff right well, yes.
Speaker 2: Exact frying pans stuff, but also eight ninety nine other
Speaker 2: chemicals besides teflon.
Speaker 3: When you get a paper cup that doesn't instantly get soaked,
Speaker 3: the little barrier there is that it has, probably as
Speaker 3: PFA's definitely some microplastics.
Speaker 5: Anything that a beat of water just like rolls right off.
Speaker 2: Yes, probably a lot of it is the lining inside
Speaker 2: every Coca Cola can you've ever consumed.
Speaker 3: I'm not going to think about it. Also the lined
Speaker 3: of popcorn bags.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, it's in everything. Well, guys, the reason why
Speaker 2: those are scary and we've talked about on this show.
Speaker 2: Listen to several full episodes we've made on the subject.
Speaker 3: Active conspiracies as well.
Speaker 2: Oh yes, real conspiracies where human beings now understand the
Speaker 2: science behind why these carbon chains are so dangerous for
Speaker 2: humans because they don't break down when they get into
Speaker 2: your system, and they have a tendency to embed themselves
Speaker 2: within your system as they you know, move around in
Speaker 2: your blood stream or just go through your bowels or
Speaker 2: wherever they happen to find themselves as you consume more
Speaker 2: and more every day. Every human being does this on
Speaker 2: the planet because they're in every source of water on
Speaker 2: the planet.
Speaker 3: And if you're carrying a child, they're going to be
Speaker 3: in your kid too. So this is real cradle to
Speaker 3: the grave stuff. And it turns out that pfas may
Speaker 3: get you to your grave a little earlier.
Speaker 2: Probably it's probably not going to have any effect on
Speaker 2: you immediately, right Generally they don't.
Speaker 4: It's a long.
Speaker 2: Game with these guys. As you said, cradles with the
Speaker 2: grave kind of thing. It's a huge problem. There are
Speaker 2: a lot of ways to clean up pollution that humanity
Speaker 2: has you know, found our way into right ways to
Speaker 2: clean up things like oil spills, what's what's some other
Speaker 2: horrible pollution of chemicals they get released when a train
Speaker 2: derails that aren't.
Speaker 3: Bfas SHUTU East Postine and the countless other are the
Speaker 3: hundreds of other train accidents. Oh, nuclear waste.
Speaker 2: There are ways that you can collect those substances pretty
Speaker 2: effectively and isolate them, Let's say, in a you know,
Speaker 2: ten to twenty foot concrete cube of some sort with pfas.
Speaker 2: There hasn't really been, at least within the up until
Speaker 2: a couple of years ago, a reliable way to destroy
Speaker 2: the chemicals once they contaminate something, especially a body of water.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, guys, huh it's changing. Oh, this is a
Speaker 4: positive story. This is a positive story.
Speaker 3: Wanted to end on something positive, right.
Speaker 2: The point is it is doom and gloom, but there's
Speaker 2: a glimmer of hope just over the horizon.
Speaker 5: Silver lining.
Speaker 3: There's a true Detective season one spoilers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, is that when you get to see the universe
Speaker 2: open up above their heads?
Speaker 4: Yea, and you hug it out with your best e
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, you know yeah, after the hospital visit. I
Speaker 4: remember that.
Speaker 2: Oh, true to active season season coming, Tony Foster.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's called Night Country's cool. Apparently it's actually got
Speaker 5: ties back to the first one, at least in the
Speaker 5: has the same spiral.
Speaker 4: Guys.
Speaker 3: It's also in Alaska, so I hope to tie back
Speaker 3: to the meet those.
Speaker 2: Oh man, we just learned that there's a Fallout TV show.
Speaker 5: That was only a matter of time.
Speaker 4: I mean it good material, guys, more good TV. Yay,
Speaker 4: And the Rider strikes sort of dealt with.
Speaker 3: Let's just temper our expectations because you know that that's
Speaker 3: not about the video game, right, Oh isn't I No,
Speaker 3: it's about Fallout Boy.
Speaker 2: Oh god, they were so good at the music festival.
Speaker 4: They were pretty good.
Speaker 2: Okay, So the hope in the future here on the
Speaker 2: horizon is a startup company from Tacoma, Washington called a
Speaker 2: Guaga again, a Guaga. That's how I would say, like
Speaker 2: you're irish, I don't think it's possible.
Speaker 3: Oh no, wait wait wait, do it like Harry Careyguaga.
Speaker 5: There we go.
Speaker 4: That's good.
Speaker 2: Seven million in contract. No, but this this company, I
Speaker 2: might say.
Speaker 6: It more Aquaga's definitely I see you know what, Because
Speaker 6: I've got the little red line under it in my notes,
Speaker 6: it's reading as.
Speaker 4: A g instead of a queue.
Speaker 3: I want to say, I'll give you a soft que Yeah,
Speaker 3: I'll do it. I want to do it more like allow,
Speaker 3: like an accusation, you know, like god like.
Speaker 2: So it makes a lot more sense that it's Aqua
Speaker 2: GA Aqua GA okay a q.
Speaker 4: U A g g A. That's the company.
Speaker 2: They have developed machines or a system that fits inside
Speaker 2: basically a one of these containers, like a shipping container,
Speaker 2: and so you would ship this device wherever there's a
Speaker 2: contaminated source of water. You run the contaminated water through
Speaker 2: their system, which subjects the water itself to tremendous pressure
Speaker 2: and heat, which is apparently enough to actually break down
Speaker 2: those crazy strong carbon chains, which again, up into this point,
Speaker 2: has been almost impossible to actually do, like to break
Speaker 2: these things, and they can. They can set up shop
Speaker 2: and just process water and let it flow through it.
Speaker 2: I mean, guys, to me, it's amazing that it's even possible, because,
Speaker 2: like with oil, let's say you're cleaning up an oil
Speaker 2: spill or something. Right often, at least what we've seen
Speaker 2: in gosh, the deep water Horizon situation at a couple others,
Speaker 2: there are attempts to like soak that stuff up and
Speaker 2: then either a send it to the bottom of the
Speaker 2: ocean so nobody can see it well, yeah, or gather
Speaker 2: it up and try and either reuse it or store
Speaker 2: it somewhere safely.
Speaker 3: Or put it in an undeveloped or developing nation.
Speaker 4: That is very true, like how the.
Speaker 3: US will sometimes sell decommissioned craft for like a dot
Speaker 3: because and send it to shipbreakers because it's it's so
Speaker 3: much more expensive to properly break it down.
Speaker 4: Dude.
Speaker 2: Well, yes, sorry, we're being hot, but in this case
Speaker 2: they are actually breaking down the chemicals rather than having
Speaker 2: to store it safely somewhere the way you'd have to
Speaker 2: do with radioactive materials, right, with a really high rate
Speaker 2: of success too, right, yeah, crazy high rate of success,
Speaker 2: not as high as you can get.
Speaker 4: Well, at least, here's the thing.
Speaker 2: It's a startup company, right, So we have to remain
Speaker 2: a little bit skeptical because they are attempting to promote,
Speaker 2: to get more funding, to get more contracts. You know,
Speaker 2: they want me and you and everybody else to think
Speaker 2: everything is great. At a ninety nine percent destruction rate
Speaker 2: of pfas right, maybe it's a little off that mark,
Speaker 2: but even if they're close to that, for me, it's
Speaker 2: a positive thing. Let me give you a little bit
Speaker 2: of this reporting out of Gee Choir where I'm learning
Speaker 2: some of this stuff, is titled Forever Chemicals Are Eternal,
Speaker 2: No more thanks to a pollution destroying the from Tacoma
Speaker 2: startup again. Already, just with that headline, it almost sounds
Speaker 2: like there's a press release involved somewhere in here, right,
Speaker 2: just because it's like, hey, it's this Tacoma startup. At
Speaker 2: least they didn't name the company right in the title.
Speaker 2: That gives me a little hope that it's happened.
Speaker 5: There are some agencies involved, some government agencies involved in
Speaker 5: their like sort of test, right.
Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, the EPA.
Speaker 2: They won basically grants from the EPA through showing off
Speaker 2: their technology and saying, hey, they're testing it, this is
Speaker 2: how it works. They were able to show that it
Speaker 2: was functional and they got money from the government. I'll
Speaker 2: tell you this from that article. They've landed four point
Speaker 2: seven million in contracts, awards, and demonstration projects that include
Speaker 2: partnerships with seven federal government agencies. So that's again, that's
Speaker 2: pretty good sounding to me. They launched in twenty nineteen,
Speaker 2: and they won a contest, an EPA contest in twenty twenty,
Speaker 2: and then they just built their like basically in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty one, they built their first prototype and they've been
Speaker 2: testing it ever since. And let me just tell you
Speaker 2: the process here. According to the article, their weapon of
Speaker 2: PFAS destruction annihilates the pollutants in a device that can
Speaker 2: reach high pressure and temperature hitting five hundred and seventy
Speaker 2: degrees fahrenheit. And then to that they add lie, which
Speaker 2: is a substance we've talked about many a time. It's
Speaker 2: in soaps, and it creates a caustic environment for these
Speaker 2: carbon chains, which then further breaks down these things. It
Speaker 2: says the conditions dismantle the pfas, breaking off the compound
Speaker 2: at its head and chopping up its spine of carbon molecules.
Speaker 5: How they figure that out, I don't know that.
Speaker 2: And finally lopping off the fluoride because remember these are
Speaker 2: per and polyfloral alkyl substances, so there's a fluoride involved
Speaker 2: in the chain, and it lops off that fluoride molecule
Speaker 2: that goes along the backbone of the entire chain, which
Speaker 2: is what keeps it stable. So, like, I don't really
Speaker 2: have much else to say on this, guys. Besides, this
Speaker 2: is super cool to me, and I hope there's more
Speaker 2: companies out there, and it sounds like it it sounds
Speaker 2: like there are a bunch of startups attempting to do this.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, there's a lot of money going in from
Speaker 3: research institutes that a lot of which operate out of
Speaker 3: places like Georgia Tech here in Atlanta amazing, a lot
Speaker 3: of post stock work, a lot of private equity funds
Speaker 3: pouring money in. And Matt, I don't know if we
Speaker 3: got to it, but I got to give a shout
Speaker 3: out to the special The etymology of a.
Speaker 2: Quaka oh yeah, tell you I I don't know it.
Speaker 3: It's uh. It's named after an extinct animal, is a
Speaker 3: zebra at relative yeah, of the Zebras, So they call
Speaker 3: themselves the Zebras equaga a single quaga. Oh no pun
Speaker 3: left behind hashtag no pun left behind a quaga as
Speaker 3: because it sounds really awkward. But now when you hear
Speaker 3: why they named it that, it makes sense.
Speaker 5: Well. They also categorize themselves as a zebra company instead
Speaker 5: of a unicorn company. Apparently unicorn company is a term
Speaker 5: like in VC type stuff for like some a company
Speaker 5: that's driven entirely by competition. But they say, we're more
Speaker 5: of a zebra company. We want to cooperate, you know,
Speaker 5: with other organizations to help get rid of these PIFAs
Speaker 5: and another interesting partnership is the Federal Aviation Administration as
Speaker 5: well as the Alaska Department of Transportation and also the
Speaker 5: Alaska Department of Environmental Conservation, who I believe all three
Speaker 5: have contributed something at least to the two point five
Speaker 5: million dollar demonstration project that they did. That again, was
Speaker 5: I believe quite successful.
Speaker 4: Man seems pretty positive.
Speaker 3: Opposite of killer.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: And it's going to take more and more companies like this,
Speaker 3: more and more private public collaborations. I know it's easy
Speaker 3: for us to become cynical when you think about you know,
Speaker 3: one of the first answers, at least in the West
Speaker 3: is how do we monetize this right? And hopefully, as
Speaker 3: humanity has already arrived at an ecological tipping point, hopefully
Speaker 3: people can start redefining profit as something beyond simply financial terms.
Speaker 2: Yeah, benefit to humanity overall would be a great metric.
Speaker 4: How do you measure that?
Speaker 5: Though?
Speaker 3: Let us know, we would love to hear the answers.
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