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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 1: production of IHEARTRADI.

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 2: my name is Nol.

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Speaker 3: They call me Ben. We're joined as always without We're

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Speaker 3: joining as always with our guest superproducer, Chandler. The Madman mays,

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Speaker 3: most importantly, you are you. You are here. That makes

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Speaker 3: this the stuff they don't want you to know. It

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Speaker 3: is the top of the weak, fellow conspiracy realist. Halloween

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Speaker 3: moves ever closer right in the calendar, and the world

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Speaker 3: is not stopping just because it's our favorite holiday. We're

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Speaker 3: gonna talk a little bit about forever chemicals with some

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Speaker 3: good news. We're going to explore some sightings of a

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Speaker 3: cryptid that might be familiar to some of us in

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Speaker 3: the audience. And before we do any of that, we

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Speaker 3: are going.

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Speaker 2: To plug Thirteen Days of Halloween because today the fifth

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Speaker 2: episode is out right now in season four, and you

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Speaker 2: should listen.

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Speaker 4: Yes, heck yeah, sorry, yeah.

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Speaker 3: That's perfect. No, we want more people to listen to

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Speaker 3: Thirteen Days of Halloween. Brought to you by Aaron Manke,

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Speaker 3: Alex Williams and our own mister Matt Frederick and Blumhouse

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Speaker 3: Television and Blumhouse Television. Knowle's worked on this in concert

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Speaker 3: or in conspiracy with the Madman Mays and Matt. You

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Speaker 3: have ep the thing. We've got a cavalcade of incredibly

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Speaker 3: talented writers, actors, producers, engineers, you name it. It's top notch.

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Speaker 3: Please tune in if you like scary stories.

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Speaker 2: So Madman Mays's episode just came out. It's a banger

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Speaker 2: as long and it is freaking creepy and weird, and

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Speaker 2: it came out.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, by the time it was published finished.

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Speaker 4: My sound design scared. I was like, what did I miss?

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Speaker 3: It's also written by our very own Joe McCormick of

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Speaker 3: Stuff to blow your mind fame. You will, in fact

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Speaker 3: recognize quite a few of the Thirteen Days writers. If

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Speaker 3: we've if we've done things correctly Ben before we but

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Speaker 3: we also want to point out it's a it's a

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Speaker 3: lovely autumnal afternoon here at the Ihearst Studios. We are

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Speaker 3: recording in person.

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Speaker 5: I know it's the first time in a minute. I

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Speaker 5: commented when Matt walked into the room, Matt, you're a person.

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Speaker 2: Well instead of just a face in a square, you

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Speaker 2: guys get your ridiculous history time in and I'm way

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Speaker 2: up far away now, so I'm sorry, but I want

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Speaker 3: We're glad that you're here, and we're hoping to make

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Speaker 3: this a regular thing. Let's dive right in without further

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Speaker 3: ado or a do do or et cetera. It turns out,

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Speaker 3: you guys know catalytic converters.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, people like to steal them, right because they

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Speaker 5: have copper in them.

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Speaker 4: Isn't that the thing?

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Speaker 3: They all kinds of good ways.

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Speaker 4: Even like, no, there's some element in them.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Catalytic converters are the gun. Them are the

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Speaker 3: government mandated things that are the government mandated things that

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Speaker 3: help reduce emissions in internal combustion vehicles. And you're right,

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Speaker 3: and all they do have platinum. They also have rodium

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Speaker 3: just recently, three members of the same family in California

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Speaker 5: To Jersey is going to Jersey. Why it's like the

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Speaker 5: air bag scam from the Sopranos. We talked about that too,

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Speaker 5: Like people like like steal air bags and then they

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, and this I'll be honest. I get these alerts

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Speaker 2: So is it what is the alert? What is your

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Speaker 3: Like?

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Speaker 4: What does this say?

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Speaker 3: It just says it says conspiracy and then law enforcement

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Speaker 3: Way way too much stuff a lot of hip hop, surprisingly,

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Speaker 3: But let's go to a great article in the New

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Speaker 5: Like, you know, it seems like the elements and such

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Speaker 4: Would be the grift.

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Speaker 5: I don't understand how the money laundering all.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the money laundering is explaining to the government how, yes,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, and think about all the shipping you're doing,

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Speaker 5: It wasn't the whole point of the money laundering grip

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Speaker 3: The good cover story, which is the money laundry. By

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Speaker 2: So you get the you get the bad money, the

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Speaker 3: Fifty dollars per gram of those precious metals.

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Speaker 2: Then you've got a front business. I don't know, do

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Speaker 5: I think that was my question. I wasn't hearing what

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Speaker 3: guilty to almost forty different money laundering charges. So something

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Speaker 2: It could be another auto business, honestly, which is probably

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Speaker 5: How many catalytic converters are we talking that would yield

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Speaker 3: They're not sure yet. We can go to we can

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Speaker 3: What we can say for sure is that last year alone,

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Speaker 5: So these are the kingpins of this whole thing. I mean,

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Speaker 5: it probably all traces back to them.

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Speaker 4: I mean, they're big fish.

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Speaker 3: They're big fish for sure. So just wanted to put

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Speaker 3: I mean, to the point that you're comfortable writing and

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Speaker 3: legally speaking. Also, yeah, don't don't steal cars.

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Speaker 5: And if you take a cat, don't some people like

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Speaker 5: Yes, but it's obviously an illegal mod but it's you know,

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Speaker 3: But yeah, and speaking of illegal there's one more story

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Speaker 3: our second act. The Sineloa cartel. You know them, You're.

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Speaker 4: Terrified of them.

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Speaker 3: You should be, probably you definitely don't want to rock

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Speaker 3: a quasi governmental agency or a quasi governmental power state power.

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Speaker 3: Now and they are the currently the top exporter of

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Speaker 3: fentanyl to the United States. So let's go to the

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Speaker 5: And I think we've always questioned, like it seems like

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Speaker 5: bad business for fentanyl to be I mean, maybe they're

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Speaker 5: exporting fentanyl pure in its pure form, right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they're yes, And fentanyl makes sense if you put

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Speaker 3: ethics aside and you're in the drug game, because you

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Speaker 3: lethal drug known as fentanyl. Now it won't be now,

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Speaker 3: it won't just be forbidden as it has always been

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Speaker 5: Wow, So this does kind of speak to the question

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Speaker 5: that we've always had, like how is it good business

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Speaker 5: if you're killing your customers? You know, for certain types

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Speaker 5: of street drugs that get laced with us that don't

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Speaker 5: It just happens to be a similarly white powder that

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Speaker 5: you want repeat customers? You don't want to kill your

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Speaker 4: That just doesn't make sense. You want, at the very

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Speaker 5: To get them hooked and maybe you kill them down

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Speaker 5: but drop dead. They called it a hot shot back

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Speaker 5: in the day, not good business. So this sort of

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Speaker 3: It does, because it's what we have to say. The

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Speaker 3: that fentanyl often it is getting it's put in there

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Speaker 3: gets to like the street level dealer. Yes, so they

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Speaker 3: don't know necessarily unless they're doing some you know, quality assurance,

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Speaker 2: Sure, don't you. I don't see the cartels need to

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Speaker 2: it's more like maybe law enforcement is hip to stop

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Speaker 5: And they're coming at them so hard. They're like, that's bad. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: And we've returned with another piece of strange news. Sasquatch, Bigfoot,

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Speaker 5: skunk ape, the Abominable Snowman, the yetti back in the news.

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Speaker 4: What was that amazing photo?

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Speaker 4: It's got a name, is it?

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Speaker 5: The one whereas walking stride to see it in bumper stickers,

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Speaker 5: I believe it's called was it Operation Big Expedition big

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Speaker 5: This is the kind of guy that I think would

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Speaker 2: with devices that can probably record video, right, I mean,

437
00:23:57,040 --> 00:24:00,000
Speaker 2: if you wanted to look like Bigfoot to a lot

438
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:03,280
Speaker 2: of people at one time, Yeah, this is a great

439
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:04,119
Speaker 2: place to do it.

440
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:06,639
Speaker 3: To what end? And then also, how come there haven't

441
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:07,479
Speaker 3: been more sighting?

442
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:08,920
Speaker 4: Well to what end?

443
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:12,720
Speaker 5: I mean, just like yucks, I would argue, just for funzies,

444
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:14,280
Speaker 5: we get on TMZ.

445
00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:15,560
Speaker 4: Man, we did get on.

446
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 5: They did get on TMZ and it has led to

447
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:23,920
Speaker 5: the headline the TMZ headline cops urge scientists or sorry,

448
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:27,640
Speaker 5: bigfoot sighting scientists should be on the case, not cops,

449
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 5: So say cops, which is a very TMZ headline, so

450
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:37,040
Speaker 5: you know there there are some folks associated with the

451
00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:41,879
Speaker 5: National Forests there in Colorado. The TMZ article references then

452
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:45,960
Speaker 5: under sheriff like in the Colorado area, that is saying

453
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:48,639
Speaker 5: this the idea that scientists should be looking into this,

454
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:51,439
Speaker 5: not cops. But I couldn't find much else about that

455
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:53,600
Speaker 5: that It wasn't mentioned in the in the New York

456
00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:56,639
Speaker 5: Times articles, So definitely worth a little bit of a

457
00:24:56,680 --> 00:25:00,560
Speaker 5: deeper dive. But yeah, one thing that came up. Do

458
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:02,479
Speaker 5: you guys know what a gilly suit is?

459
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 3: Yes, it's used to use to disguise people for infiltration

460
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 3: or for sniping, you know.

461
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:09,840
Speaker 5: The I think the first time I saw it was

462
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:12,719
Speaker 5: probably in like one of those Navy Seals kind of

463
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 5: like commercials where it's like, really, you know, what's it?

464
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:19,719
Speaker 5: Like one of the video games? What is what are

465
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,400
Speaker 5: those games called Call of Duty? Ask you know where

466
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 5: it's like you want to do this kids, you know,

467
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:27,680
Speaker 5: you want to join this elite force because you're used

468
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:29,720
Speaker 5: to seeing this type of footage in these games and

469
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:32,840
Speaker 5: you'll see people like emerging from swamps or whatever wearing

470
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:36,120
Speaker 5: his kind of suits, and they look like like kind

471
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:38,440
Speaker 5: of wookie suits, but they're a little more like Spanish

472
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:42,800
Speaker 5: moss or certain types of foliage. I guess there would

473
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 5: be different ones for different parts, you know, that of

474
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:47,280
Speaker 5: the of the world or of the environment.

475
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:50,159
Speaker 3: They're also pretty heavy, though, have you ever snow?

476
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:53,800
Speaker 2: Oh dude, somebody I know up where I live now

477
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:58,240
Speaker 2: is a retired marine sniper trainer and he's told story,

478
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 2: He's told me stories about spending days at a time

479
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:03,160
Speaker 2: in one of those suits you're talking about that are

480
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 2: really heavy, right, and uncomfortable and literally not moving for

481
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 2: days inside one of those things, so that anyone with

482
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:15,200
Speaker 2: a camera or observing is not gonna notice you whatsoever.

483
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:18,400
Speaker 3: And don't get them wet because that just makes it heavier.

484
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 3: And I hear they're very hot. Uncle Sam is not like,

485
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 3: let's make sure this is breathable fabric.

486
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:27,639
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's not what it's about.

487
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 3: But to that point, yeah, it makes sense. To your point,

488
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,560
Speaker 3: all that it would be a gilly suit would be

489
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 3: one of the first immediate explanations. But with the footage,

490
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 3: we just don't have enough information.

491
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 2: Well, but it doesn't move like a gilly suit.

492
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 3: It doesn't.

493
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:45,679
Speaker 4: It moves.

494
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:47,919
Speaker 2: It moves like a costume to me.

495
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:50,199
Speaker 5: It does the way it hangs in the way, but

496
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 5: that the arms are really long, you know. And then

497
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 5: there is it does have the appearance of a skeleton, yeah,

498
00:26:56,640 --> 00:27:00,960
Speaker 5: something like behind all of that. For and mister Stetson

499
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:05,240
Speaker 5: Parker was asked about this gilly suit theory and he h,

500
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,439
Speaker 5: you know, clapped back. Why would someone be wearing a

501
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:14,399
Speaker 5: gilly suit during the middle of elk hunting season? You know,

502
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 5: it's a surefire way for anyone to get shot.

503
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 2: Oh, you know, and that's terrifying if it is a hoax,

504
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,680
Speaker 2: somebody was out there during hunting season.

505
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 4: And it does.

506
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:28,440
Speaker 5: I mean, honestly, the way this thing is moving, it's

507
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:32,720
Speaker 5: moving so much like the classic bigfoot stuff that we've

508
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 5: seen it unless that's just the way these guys move,

509
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 5: and it's definitely real. It is somebody looking to get

510
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 5: a viral video. But think about how many times they

511
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 5: would have had to do it in order for someone

512
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 5: to catch it, you know what I mean.

513
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 3: You have to predict the train schedules and stuff, which

514
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 3: isn't impossible by any no.

515
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 5: But I would argue that if you know, if this

516
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 5: was the one that popped, they've probably done it multiple times.

517
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 3: Possibly unless it's just unless it's just some dude wandering,

518
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 3: because it's far enough away that it doesn't necessarily like

519
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:11,479
Speaker 3: when you look at this, you don't immediately think this

520
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 3: is larger than a human being normally, is right, So

521
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 3: we'd need, you know, to paraphrase Reddit, we'd need a

522
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 3: banana for scale. We need like someone who's a confirmed

523
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:24,399
Speaker 3: human being, yes, repeating the same motions as right, to

524
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 3: see how high the shrub.

525
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:25,919
Speaker 4: So let's do it.

526
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 5: And to answer my own question, the nineteen sixty seven

527
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 5: footage which we've seen screenshot it as a still maybe

528
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:34,440
Speaker 5: even more than we've seen the footage it was called

529
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 5: the Patterson Gimlin film, which showed again the same gate

530
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 5: the arms, you know, to the point where that's such

531
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 5: a classic piece of cryptid ephemera that this whatever, if

532
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 5: this is a hoax, unless again, this is just how

533
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:50,960
Speaker 5: these things move, and this is definitely real. Someone was

534
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 5: mimicking this, you know, because the arms are swinging in

535
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 5: the exact same pattern. And I did not realize this,

536
00:28:56,840 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 5: but in twenty fourteen Oxford Universe. Researchers investigated thirty hair samples,

537
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 5: you know, that were purportedly belonging to these types of cryptids,

538
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 5: and they matched every single one of them to other animals.

539
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think we've probably mentioned the FBI did that too,

540
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 3: write something similar a few decades earlier.

541
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 5: I think that must be right. But I'm only seeing

542
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 5: the thing about the Oxford study.

543
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 2: Ye.

544
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 5: But yeah, but this New York Times article also quotes

545
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 5: a guy named Ryan Willis who's twenty three and founded

546
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 5: the Trent University Sasquatch Society, which hosts Sasquatch University, which

547
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 5: is a reality show on the Wild Network that discusses

548
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 5: bigfoot sightings specifically in Ontario. And I do now remember

549
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 5: from Bakar's place that Canada is another, you know, prime

550
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 5: example of like, you know, a great location for sas sightings,

551
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 5: and there certainly have been plenty because I mean, after all,

552
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 5: Pacific Northwest, it's practically Canada.

553
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 3: You know, deciduous forests, you know, there's a lot of

554
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 3: tree cover. And this I think, Matt, you may be

555
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 3: onto something. I think maybe this is a field trip

556
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 3: for us. We can see, we get we need one

557
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 3: guy on the train, Yes, we need another person. I like, okay,

558
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 3: how is this not you got the best stretch for that?

559
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 6: Yeah?

560
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 3: What if it's a hobo who is going to hop

561
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 3: the rails and is waiting for Amtrak to pass by,

562
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 3: but they're no because they're going at speed and I

563
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 3: don't think there there's not a safe way to hop

564
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:34,480
Speaker 3: on a train.

565
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 5: Not these types of stretches, like there's no no access

566
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 5: it is it is moving very fast.

567
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 4: Do you think?

568
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 3: Okay, what if it's a guy just like a regular

569
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 3: dude out there and squatted because they didn't want to

570
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 3: be seen, or squatted because they had to poop or whatever. Uh,

571
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 3: what if they don't know that they have gone viral

572
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 3: and have become you know, the subject of a New

573
00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 3: York Times article, or what if they do know? HOWM know?

574
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 3: Whatever comes forward immediately and it's like, no, it's me,

575
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 3: scummy Pete. I'm just riding the rails with a bendal

576
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 3: and hobo.

577
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 4: Johnson, Yeah, yeah, you got me. I was out there

578
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 4: speaking of poop.

579
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 5: Though. Ryan Willis, who I mentioned the Sasquatch University guy,

580
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 5: is quoted in this New York Times article talking about

581
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 5: how you know people send him footage all the time,

582
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 5: different hair samples, and then he's quoted in saying, but

583
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 5: nobody has sent us bigfoot poop right in the mail

584
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 5: or anything.

585
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 3: That's one of our first that was our first questions

586
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 3: encrypted episodes too, because anything that is closely related to

587
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 3: a primate, especially when the great apes like humans or gorillas,

588
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 3: they're going to exhibit predictable nesting behaviors. They'll Chimpanzees also

589
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 3: are cleaner than humans when it comes to pooping. So

590
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 3: maybe maybe Bigfoot is just more hygienic than the rest

591
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 3: of the rest of the primates.

592
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 5: I mean, he's definitely got a luxurious main, no question

593
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 5: about that. He's probably using that horse shampoo.

594
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, made.

595
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 3: Entail and if he's got some if he's got some

596
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 3: specific wilderness and recon training, then he almost certainly buries

597
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 3: his you know, buries his poop.

598
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, because nobody, you know, you don't want to give

599
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 5: away your.

600
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 3: Position or at least have a decent latrine. So we

601
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 3: are going to become cryptid poop hunters. Is that the takeaway?

602
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 4: Why not?

603
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 6: You know?

604
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 4: At this point, what else is there?

605
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 3: What else is there?

606
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 5: Well, I think we've got I think we've gotten to

607
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 5: the root of this one will be interesting to see

608
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 5: if anything else comes of this. But it was enough

609
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 5: for the old New York Times to write about it,

610
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 5: so it's a very interesting clip. Let us know what

611
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 5: you think. Look it up.

612
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 4: It's it's out there.

613
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 5: We're going to take a quick break here, a word

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615
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Speaker 5: one more piece of strange news.

616
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Speaker 2: And we've returned. Guys, my obsession with water and water

617
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 2: related things continues. I apologize to you and to everyone listening.

618
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 2: I cannot get away from water for one reason or another.

619
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 3: Are most people obsessed with water?

620
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 5: Well made of like ninety percent of it or something

621
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 5: along those yeah seventies.

622
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 2: I talked to my therapist this morning and he thinks

623
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 2: it's it's a problem.

624
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 4: So it's okay. It's okay.

625
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 5: You're worried about those precious bodily fluids like the like

626
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 5: the like the guy that goes crazy and doctor Strangelove.

627
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 2: That's exactly what's going on up in this brain.

628
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 3: We'll keep an eye on you, Matt Well, I think, yeah.

629
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 3: But just to be fair, then if if you feel

630
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 3: obsessed that I'm right there with you, man, because it's

631
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 3: one of the It's one of the few requirements that

632
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 3: no one can buy their.

633
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 5: Way out of yet.

634
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 4: Yeah.

635
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 2: Oh god, so you remember this other thing, per and

636
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 2: polyfloral alkyl substances. Boy do I p fas you guys

637
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 2: remember these forever chemicals?

638
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, PFIs first.

639
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 2: I feel like we talk about them at least once

640
00:33:57,560 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 2: a month here on stuff. I don't want you to know.

641
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 5: The frying pan and stuff right well, yes.

642
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 2: Exact frying pans stuff, but also eight ninety nine other

643
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 2: chemicals besides teflon.

644
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:12,320
Speaker 3: When you get a paper cup that doesn't instantly get soaked,

645
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 3: the little barrier there is that it has, probably as

646
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 3: PFA's definitely some microplastics.

647
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,799
Speaker 5: Anything that a beat of water just like rolls right off.

648
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 2: Yes, probably a lot of it is the lining inside

649
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:27,279
Speaker 2: every Coca Cola can you've ever consumed.

650
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 3: I'm not going to think about it. Also the lined

651
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 3: of popcorn bags.

652
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:36,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, it's in everything. Well, guys, the reason why

653
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:38,319
Speaker 2: those are scary and we've talked about on this show.

654
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 2: Listen to several full episodes we've made on the subject.

655
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 3: Active conspiracies as well.

656
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:46,880
Speaker 2: Oh yes, real conspiracies where human beings now understand the

657
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 2: science behind why these carbon chains are so dangerous for

658
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 2: humans because they don't break down when they get into

659
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,839
Speaker 2: your system, and they have a tendency to embed themselves

660
00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 2: within your system as they you know, move around in

661
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 2: your blood stream or just go through your bowels or

662
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 2: wherever they happen to find themselves as you consume more

663
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Speaker 2: and more every day. Every human being does this on

664
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Speaker 2: the planet because they're in every source of water on

665
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Speaker 2: the planet.

666
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:14,799
Speaker 3: And if you're carrying a child, they're going to be

667
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 3: in your kid too. So this is real cradle to

668
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,319
Speaker 3: the grave stuff. And it turns out that pfas may

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Speaker 3: get you to your grave a little earlier.

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Speaker 2: Probably it's probably not going to have any effect on

671
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:28,359
Speaker 2: you immediately, right Generally they don't.

672
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Speaker 4: It's a long.

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Speaker 2: Game with these guys. As you said, cradles with the

674
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Speaker 2: grave kind of thing. It's a huge problem. There are

675
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 2: a lot of ways to clean up pollution that humanity

676
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:42,799
Speaker 2: has you know, found our way into right ways to

677
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 2: clean up things like oil spills, what's what's some other

678
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 2: horrible pollution of chemicals they get released when a train

679
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 2: derails that aren't.

680
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,799
Speaker 3: Bfas SHUTU East Postine and the countless other are the

681
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Speaker 3: hundreds of other train accidents. Oh, nuclear waste.

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Speaker 2: There are ways that you can collect those substances pretty

683
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:06,839
Speaker 2: effectively and isolate them, Let's say, in a you know,

684
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 2: ten to twenty foot concrete cube of some sort with pfas.

685
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 2: There hasn't really been, at least within the up until

686
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 2: a couple of years ago, a reliable way to destroy

687
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Speaker 2: the chemicals once they contaminate something, especially a body of water.

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00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, guys, huh it's changing. Oh, this is a

689
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 4: positive story. This is a positive story.

690
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Speaker 3: Wanted to end on something positive, right.

691
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,840
Speaker 2: The point is it is doom and gloom, but there's

692
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Speaker 2: a glimmer of hope just over the horizon.

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00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:44,359
Speaker 5: Silver lining.

694
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Speaker 3: There's a true Detective season one spoilers.

695
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, is that when you get to see the universe

696
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:51,879
Speaker 2: open up above their heads?

697
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 4: Yea, and you hug it out with your best e

698
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:56,839
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, you know yeah, after the hospital visit. I

699
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 4: remember that.

700
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Speaker 2: Oh, true to active season season coming, Tony Foster.

701
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:06,879
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's called Night Country's cool. Apparently it's actually got

702
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 5: ties back to the first one, at least in the

703
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 5: has the same spiral.

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Speaker 4: Guys.

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00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 3: It's also in Alaska, so I hope to tie back

706
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Speaker 3: to the meet those.

707
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:20,359
Speaker 2: Oh man, we just learned that there's a Fallout TV show.

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00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:21,759
Speaker 5: That was only a matter of time.

709
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 4: I mean it good material, guys, more good TV. Yay,

710
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 4: And the Rider strikes sort of dealt with.

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00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 3: Let's just temper our expectations because you know that that's

712
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 3: not about the video game, right, Oh isn't I No,

713
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 3: it's about Fallout Boy.

714
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 2: Oh god, they were so good at the music festival.

715
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 4: They were pretty good.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So the hope in the future here on the

717
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 2: horizon is a startup company from Tacoma, Washington called a

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Speaker 2: Guaga again, a Guaga. That's how I would say, like

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Speaker 2: you're irish, I don't think it's possible.

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Speaker 3: Oh no, wait wait wait, do it like Harry Careyguaga.

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Speaker 5: There we go.

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Speaker 4: That's good.

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Speaker 2: Seven million in contract. No, but this this company, I

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Speaker 2: might say.

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Speaker 6: It more Aquaga's definitely I see you know what, Because

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Speaker 6: I've got the little red line under it in my notes,

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Speaker 6: it's reading as.

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Speaker 4: A g instead of a queue.

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Speaker 3: I want to say, I'll give you a soft que Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I'll do it. I want to do it more like allow,

731
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Speaker 3: like an accusation, you know, like god like.

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Speaker 2: So it makes a lot more sense that it's Aqua

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Speaker 2: GA Aqua GA okay a q.

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Speaker 4: U A g g A. That's the company.

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Speaker 2: They have developed machines or a system that fits inside

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00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 2: basically a one of these containers, like a shipping container,

737
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 2: and so you would ship this device wherever there's a

738
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Speaker 2: contaminated source of water. You run the contaminated water through

739
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 2: their system, which subjects the water itself to tremendous pressure

740
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 2: and heat, which is apparently enough to actually break down

741
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 2: those crazy strong carbon chains, which again, up into this point,

742
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 2: has been almost impossible to actually do, like to break

743
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 2: these things, and they can. They can set up shop

744
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 2: and just process water and let it flow through it.

745
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:25,360
Speaker 2: I mean, guys, to me, it's amazing that it's even possible, because,

746
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:27,720
Speaker 2: like with oil, let's say you're cleaning up an oil

747
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 2: spill or something. Right often, at least what we've seen

748
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 2: in gosh, the deep water Horizon situation at a couple others,

749
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:38,799
Speaker 2: there are attempts to like soak that stuff up and

750
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:41,360
Speaker 2: then either a send it to the bottom of the

751
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 2: ocean so nobody can see it well, yeah, or gather

752
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 2: it up and try and either reuse it or store

753
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 2: it somewhere safely.

754
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 3: Or put it in an undeveloped or developing nation.

755
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 4: That is very true, like how the.

756
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 3: US will sometimes sell decommissioned craft for like a dot

757
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:04,319
Speaker 3: because and send it to shipbreakers because it's it's so

758
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 3: much more expensive to properly break it down.

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Speaker 4: Dude.

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00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,800
Speaker 2: Well, yes, sorry, we're being hot, but in this case

761
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Speaker 2: they are actually breaking down the chemicals rather than having

762
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Speaker 2: to store it safely somewhere the way you'd have to

763
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Speaker 2: do with radioactive materials, right, with a really high rate

764
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Speaker 2: of success too, right, yeah, crazy high rate of success,

765
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Speaker 2: not as high as you can get.

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Speaker 4: Well, at least, here's the thing.

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00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:28,840
Speaker 2: It's a startup company, right, So we have to remain

768
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 2: a little bit skeptical because they are attempting to promote,

769
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:35,359
Speaker 2: to get more funding, to get more contracts. You know,

770
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:38,919
Speaker 2: they want me and you and everybody else to think

771
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 2: everything is great. At a ninety nine percent destruction rate

772
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 2: of pfas right, maybe it's a little off that mark,

773
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 2: but even if they're close to that, for me, it's

774
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 2: a positive thing. Let me give you a little bit

775
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 2: of this reporting out of Gee Choir where I'm learning

776
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 2: some of this stuff, is titled Forever Chemicals Are Eternal,

777
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 2: No more thanks to a pollution destroying the from Tacoma

778
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:05,400
Speaker 2: startup again. Already, just with that headline, it almost sounds

779
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 2: like there's a press release involved somewhere in here, right,

780
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 2: just because it's like, hey, it's this Tacoma startup. At

781
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,240
Speaker 2: least they didn't name the company right in the title.

782
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:16,280
Speaker 2: That gives me a little hope that it's happened.

783
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 5: There are some agencies involved, some government agencies involved in

784
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 5: their like sort of test, right.

785
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:23,280
Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, the EPA.

786
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 2: They won basically grants from the EPA through showing off

787
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 2: their technology and saying, hey, they're testing it, this is

788
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 2: how it works. They were able to show that it

789
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 2: was functional and they got money from the government. I'll

790
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:40,240
Speaker 2: tell you this from that article. They've landed four point

791
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:45,320
Speaker 2: seven million in contracts, awards, and demonstration projects that include

792
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 2: partnerships with seven federal government agencies. So that's again, that's

793
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 2: pretty good sounding to me. They launched in twenty nineteen,

794
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 2: and they won a contest, an EPA contest in twenty twenty,

795
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:03,799
Speaker 2: and then they just built their like basically in twenty

796
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 2: twenty one, they built their first prototype and they've been

797
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 2: testing it ever since. And let me just tell you

798
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 2: the process here. According to the article, their weapon of

799
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 2: PFAS destruction annihilates the pollutants in a device that can

800
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:21,240
Speaker 2: reach high pressure and temperature hitting five hundred and seventy

801
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:25,720
Speaker 2: degrees fahrenheit. And then to that they add lie, which

802
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 2: is a substance we've talked about many a time. It's

803
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:33,800
Speaker 2: in soaps, and it creates a caustic environment for these

804
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 2: carbon chains, which then further breaks down these things. It

805
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 2: says the conditions dismantle the pfas, breaking off the compound

806
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:45,840
Speaker 2: at its head and chopping up its spine of carbon molecules.

807
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 5: How they figure that out, I don't know that.

808
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:51,880
Speaker 2: And finally lopping off the fluoride because remember these are

809
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:55,800
Speaker 2: per and polyfloral alkyl substances, so there's a fluoride involved

810
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 2: in the chain, and it lops off that fluoride molecule

811
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 2: that goes along the backbone of the entire chain, which

812
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 2: is what keeps it stable. So, like, I don't really

813
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 2: have much else to say on this, guys. Besides, this

814
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 2: is super cool to me, and I hope there's more

815
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 2: companies out there, and it sounds like it it sounds

816
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:14,360
Speaker 2: like there are a bunch of startups attempting to do this.

817
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:17,280
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, there's a lot of money going in from

818
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 3: research institutes that a lot of which operate out of

819
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 3: places like Georgia Tech here in Atlanta amazing, a lot

820
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 3: of post stock work, a lot of private equity funds

821
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:30,840
Speaker 3: pouring money in. And Matt, I don't know if we

822
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 3: got to it, but I got to give a shout

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Speaker 3: out to the special The etymology of a.

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Speaker 2: Quaka oh yeah, tell you I I don't know it.

825
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 3: It's uh. It's named after an extinct animal, is a

826
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:47,759
Speaker 3: zebra at relative yeah, of the Zebras, So they call

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Speaker 3: themselves the Zebras equaga a single quaga. Oh no pun

828
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Speaker 3: left behind hashtag no pun left behind a quaga as

829
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:01,319
Speaker 3: because it sounds really awkward. But now when you hear

830
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 3: why they named it that, it makes sense.

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00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:09,320
Speaker 5: Well. They also categorize themselves as a zebra company instead

832
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:12,799
Speaker 5: of a unicorn company. Apparently unicorn company is a term

833
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,760
Speaker 5: like in VC type stuff for like some a company

834
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 5: that's driven entirely by competition. But they say, we're more

835
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:21,279
Speaker 5: of a zebra company. We want to cooperate, you know,

836
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 5: with other organizations to help get rid of these PIFAs

837
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Speaker 5: and another interesting partnership is the Federal Aviation Administration as

838
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 5: well as the Alaska Department of Transportation and also the

839
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 5: Alaska Department of Environmental Conservation, who I believe all three

840
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 5: have contributed something at least to the two point five

841
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:45,279
Speaker 5: million dollar demonstration project that they did. That again, was

842
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 5: I believe quite successful.

843
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:48,320
Speaker 4: Man seems pretty positive.

844
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:49,719
Speaker 3: Opposite of killer.

845
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

846
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:58,319
Speaker 3: And it's going to take more and more companies like this,

847
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 3: more and more private public collaborations. I know it's easy

848
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 3: for us to become cynical when you think about you know,

849
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 3: one of the first answers, at least in the West

850
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:14,280
Speaker 3: is how do we monetize this right? And hopefully, as

851
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 3: humanity has already arrived at an ecological tipping point, hopefully

852
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 3: people can start redefining profit as something beyond simply financial terms.

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00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, benefit to humanity overall would be a great metric.

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00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:31,440
Speaker 4: How do you measure that?

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00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:31,759
Speaker 5: Though?

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00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:37,360
Speaker 3: Let us know, we would love to hear the answers.

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00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:49,400
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861
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Speaker 3: We are the people who read every email weekend Conspiracy

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Speaker 3: at iHeartRadio dot com.

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Speaker 2: Stuff they don't want you to know is a production

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Speaker 2: of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app,

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Speaker 2: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.