Speaker 1: Look out, there's only films to be buried with. Hello,
Speaker 1: and welcome to films to be buried with. My name
Speaker 1: is Brett Colstein. I'm a comedian, an actor, a writer,
Speaker 1: a director at a windmill, and I love films. As Grace
Speaker 1: Bonny once said, your joy is your greatest rebellion, which
Speaker 1: should have been Marlon Brando's answer in the World One
Speaker 1: instead of the much more vague what have you got?
Speaker 1: Really good point, Grace, Thank you for sharing. Every week
Speaker 1: I'm bu a special guest over. I tell them they've died,
Speaker 1: then I get them to discuss their life through films
Speaker 1: that meant that most of them. Previous guests include Barry Jenkins,
Speaker 1: Kevin Smith, Sharon Stone, and even Z Campbells. But this
Speaker 1: week we have the brilliant actor, comedian, and singer and
Speaker 1: now author Josh Gadd. All episodes of Shrinking season two
Speaker 1: and season one are now available on Apple TV. Get
Speaker 1: caught up on all of them before everyone spoils them
Speaker 1: for you. You will fucking love them. Head over to
Speaker 1: the Patreon at patreon dot com forward slash Brett Goldstein
Speaker 1: for the extra twenty minutes with Josh. We talk secrets,
Speaker 1: We talk beginnings and endings. You get the whole episode
Speaker 1: uncart Adfrey, and there's a video. Check it out over
Speaker 1: at patreon dot com. Forward slash. Brett Goldstein so Josh gadd.
Speaker 1: You might know him as the voice of Olaf from
Speaker 1: Disney's Frozen. He was Elder Cunningham in the Book of Mormon,
Speaker 1: and he recently starred on Broadway in Guttenburg. He's got
Speaker 1: a new book out called in Gad. We trust you
Speaker 1: know and love him from so many things. He's fucking brilliant.
Speaker 1: I've never met him before. We recorded The sun Zoom
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago and he was Sacha fucking delight.
Speaker 1: You really are going to love this one. So that
Speaker 1: is it for now. I very much hope you enjoy
Speaker 1: episode three hundred and thirty three of Films to be
Speaker 1: Buried With. Hello, I'm very excited. Oh hello, Welcome to
Speaker 1: Films to be Buried With. It is me Brett Goldstein,
Speaker 1: and I am joined today by a Mormoner, a snow man,
Speaker 1: a beauty and the Beast, a Central Park creator is
Speaker 1: soon to be hit director, a Frozener, a Guttenburger, a hero,
Speaker 1: a tree falling in the Woods a legend. I can't
Speaker 1: believe he's here. You can't believe it either, but I
Speaker 1: promise he is. Please, welcome to the show. It's the amazing,
Speaker 1: It's just good.
Speaker 2: Now. How do I cheer for myself? You've you've really
Speaker 2: given like you've done such an unbelievable job of setting
Speaker 2: me up. If there's nobody else here, So do I
Speaker 2: just start cheering?
Speaker 1: Yeah? You do the cheer? Yes, I love that.
Speaker 2: Me.
Speaker 1: I sound great. I sound so good. I'd like to
Speaker 1: meet this guy. He sounds cool.
Speaker 2: Some of these credits are better than the actual films themselves.
Speaker 1: And I missed out loads. I mean there was loads
Speaker 1: to do. Josh Guy's pleasure to meet you. We've never
Speaker 1: met before. Thank you for doing this. Oh how are you?
Speaker 2: I'm great. I'm such a big fan of yours. I
Speaker 2: get invited to do a lot of podcasts, and I
Speaker 2: usually don't do them because now everybody's got a podcast
Speaker 2: I wasn't. I'm not sure if you're aware of that,
Speaker 2: but when your name came up, I said yes, yes, immediately.
Speaker 1: I said it. That's nice. Thanks.
Speaker 2: You are a your certifiable genius, your genius act, your
Speaker 2: genius writer.
Speaker 1: Jesunds like a genius.
Speaker 2: I want you to shaving himself on this sounds cool.
Speaker 2: You've kept a lot of people in my home very happy,
Speaker 2: including this guy, so thank you.
Speaker 1: Well. You've kept a lot of people in my world,
Speaker 1: in my family, very very very happy. And I and
Speaker 1: I was thinking, I find it weird when I talk
Speaker 1: to people who's thinking about like when you do a
Speaker 1: musical thing that's very special to people, it is weird
Speaker 1: how often your voice has been in my head? Do
Speaker 1: you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, because you can actually like listen to that
Speaker 2: outside of the movie itself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And like luc of Mormon was like, what,
Speaker 1: it's like one of my favorite sound I've listened to it.
Speaker 1: Thank you man so much. And you're so fucking good
Speaker 1: in it. And then and then you go off and
Speaker 1: do Frozen. I mean it, don't stop with you do it.
Speaker 2: I love this you You're almost sounding like I do
Speaker 2: when I try to do a British accent. I will
Speaker 2: kind of love it. That's very sweet of you. I'm
Speaker 2: going through it now in my house. We're It's wicked,
Speaker 2: endlessly playing again and again. And I'm very good friends
Speaker 2: with Cynthia and with Arianna incredible, and I'm like, I
Speaker 2: now understand where I'm like, yeah, this is what happens,
Speaker 2: like this becomes. It starts off really cool and then
Speaker 2: you're like, can we listen to anything else? In your
Speaker 2: kids are like no, we cannot.
Speaker 1: No, that's it. I wanted to ask you so many things.
Speaker 1: One of them is, you made this show Central Park,
Speaker 1: which is the hardest thing anyone could do. I loved
Speaker 1: it so much. It's still going no finished.
Speaker 2: No. Unlike you and Ted Lasso, we did three seasons,
Speaker 2: but they decided that that's it. They don't want anymore.
Speaker 1: We had the opposite with that and thought, my god,
Speaker 1: no animated it's the hardest thing you can do. It's
Speaker 1: a fucking music. It's a full musical every week. How
Speaker 1: the hell do you do it? It's a musical. No, I'm
Speaker 1: so so proud of it.
Speaker 2: That was the challenge, the conceit, the desire to do
Speaker 2: it was can you actually and successfully create a real
Speaker 2: musical over the course of sixty episodes that every song,
Speaker 2: No song feels like filler, every song feels earned. I
Speaker 2: teamed up with the creator of Bob's Burger's Learn Bischard,
Speaker 2: and we did it, and like, the key was the
Speaker 2: secret sauce was that we got every episode we had
Speaker 2: different artists come in and play with us. So you
Speaker 2: had like Cyndi Lauper, and you had Y Cleft, and
Speaker 2: you had like Big Boy. Like every episode Danny Elfman,
Speaker 2: we just had this amazing group of outside musical influencers,
Speaker 2: brilliant composers come in and just screw around and it
Speaker 2: was heaven. And the soundtrack is just it's unbelievable. Past
Speaker 2: was unbelievable. I'd invite you to come and be on
Speaker 2: the show, but there is no show anymore.
Speaker 1: Brett. I'm devastated. But I also like, whenever I watched it,
Speaker 1: I was like, this is so hard. I wondered if
Speaker 1: when it ended you thought thank god.
Speaker 2: A part of me was like, yeah, this is it's time.
Speaker 2: This became really really tough. But we had fun. It
Speaker 2: was really fun. And I mean just having like Catherine
Speaker 2: Hahn and Stanley Tucci, Titus Burgess, Kristen Bell. You know,
Speaker 2: it was unbelievable. To the digs, we were very, very
Speaker 2: very lucky.
Speaker 1: Okay, next question for you about your musical and broadway career.
Speaker 1: You've just done it, which I haven't seen yet unless
Speaker 1: it's finished. Has it finished Gutenberg, you would have to
Speaker 1: have a time machine. At this point, Kapinos said, to
Speaker 1: haven't unlike Central Park, which you can.
Speaker 2: And also I forgot to mention Emmy River Lampman, who's
Speaker 2: incredible on that show. We finished Gutenberg last January and
Speaker 2: it was incredible. It ran for five months, which was
Speaker 2: the intention. They wanted to extend it, and I said
Speaker 2: absolutely not, primarily because I don't think I could have
Speaker 2: survived another week doing that show. But you know that's
Speaker 2: my it's my brother Andrew Reynolds. We you know, did
Speaker 2: Mormon together.
Speaker 1: How long did you do morement together?
Speaker 2: So I was involved with Mormon from the beginning. So
Speaker 2: we started workshopping at Brett in say two thousand and
Speaker 2: nine or two thousand, somewhere around like two thousand and eight.
Speaker 2: I write about this in my book and yet I
Speaker 2: can't remember it. Somewhere around like two thousand and seven,
Speaker 2: two thousand and eight, we started workshopping at and every
Speaker 2: time we did it we couldn't find the right elder price.
Speaker 2: And we finally come to we're gonna we know we're
Speaker 2: gonna go to Broadway. We're looking for the guy and
Speaker 2: in walks his kid from Nebraska, Andrew Rynolds.
Speaker 1: Wow, and he was just it.
Speaker 2: And he and I did the show together about a
Speaker 2: year and a half and then both left around the
Speaker 2: same time. So we've been looking a year and a half,
Speaker 2: so we'd been looking to do something together. Ten years later,
Speaker 2: this you know, incredibly insane show falls into our lap,
Speaker 2: Gutenberg Musical, and it was tremendous. I mean it was.
Speaker 2: We just had the time of our lives.
Speaker 1: I imagine because I went to see bo a moment early,
Speaker 1: like fairly early, like in the the first few months
Speaker 1: of it or whatever, and genuinely, and I say this
Speaker 1: in the bottom of my heart, it was the most
Speaker 1: joy I love.
Speaker 2: It if you were like, it was the biggest piece
Speaker 2: of shit ever in my life.
Speaker 1: And it was like the level of joy in the
Speaker 1: room I'd never seen anything like it. I was like,
Speaker 1: holy shit, Like the energy in the audience was like
Speaker 1: it was because obviously I do stand up, but I've
Speaker 1: never had no audios react like this. It was the
Speaker 1: feeling of the subtext of the audience was we're happy, yeah,
Speaker 1: but it was.
Speaker 2: It was it was And it was also how the
Speaker 2: fuck did they get away with this, which I kept
Speaker 2: asking myself. I was certain the show was going to fail.
Speaker 2: There was no part of me that thought that there
Speaker 2: would be an audience of theater patrons who would actually
Speaker 2: legitimize what we were doing on that stage. There was
Speaker 2: no part of me that could imagine a decade plus
Speaker 2: later Horus being like, oh, I want to go to
Speaker 2: the show where they talk about fucking frogs, and like,
Speaker 2: not a single ounce of me thought it would last
Speaker 2: more than three months. I was just a die hard
Speaker 2: Tray and Mat fan. South Park was my jam still is,
Speaker 2: and the idea of working with those guys, with Bobby Lopez,
Speaker 2: who had created the music for Avenue Q, I was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's just gonna be fun. We're just gonna have fun.
Speaker 2: People are gonna be like this is insane, but but
Speaker 2: like I've never laughed harder. And then it'll close and
Speaker 2: then like all of a sudden, the show is becomes
Speaker 2: cats and you're like, what, wait.
Speaker 1: What's no you mentioned it?
Speaker 2: I'm like, it is weird, it's wild, it's wild.
Speaker 1: And my question for you from Gudberg, I was fascinated
Speaker 1: by people who do long term the theater. The theater
Speaker 1: is the way we say that you did a year
Speaker 1: and a half and I and I know from being
Speaker 1: in the room, the energy, the joy, it must have
Speaker 1: been incredible. Was any part in that year and a
Speaker 1: half where you were like, fucking know, how do I
Speaker 1: keep doing this? Like? How do you keep it fresh?
Speaker 1: Or not get bored of?
Speaker 2: There's a reason I didn't come back to Broadway for
Speaker 2: a decade. Right by the let's say, nine month mark,
Speaker 2: I was done. I was leaving my body. I just
Speaker 2: was thinking about anything but what was happening on stage.
Speaker 2: I would fucking forget lines that I had done thousands
Speaker 2: of times because I was just like I was in
Speaker 2: two places at once. I was in like the literal
Speaker 2: space and the metaphorical like space of what am I
Speaker 2: doing tonight? And you just, like anything, it just becomes rote.
Speaker 2: But you know, I was actually thinking about this yesterday
Speaker 2: some reason. I actually we were on a text chain
Speaker 2: all the Mormon casts still after all these years, and
Speaker 2: I realized that like three people are still doing the
Speaker 2: show that I have been doing it since we opened,
Speaker 2: and I I tried to like poop myself of that,
Speaker 2: and I was like, I can't believe that I was
Speaker 2: complaining after nine months, and these guys have been doing
Speaker 2: the same show for fifteen years. Oh my god, that
Speaker 2: fifteen years they've been doing this show. That's unreal. God,
Speaker 2: bless I don't that's god. I'm too I'm too adhd.
Speaker 2: I can't like I'd be like, no, no way, no no.
Speaker 2: That's why I was like, five months, wait, let's.
Speaker 1: Do that now. I read Andrew's book that he did
Speaker 1: last year. Was it You can criticize it if you
Speaker 1: want to. No, I it charming. I found it charming
Speaker 1: and funny. And now you you've written your own book.
Speaker 1: I guess because you're too a competitive you like it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I got jealous.
Speaker 2: I was like, I've got a computer. I can I
Speaker 2: know how to do words, I can write sentences. So
Speaker 2: I'm just all I need to do is convince a publisher.
Speaker 2: And I and I somehow bamboozled you. Look I hate yeah,
Speaker 2: worry they You know it's this idiot can do it
Speaker 2: where it's me, where a team let me do it.
Speaker 2: And it's been a you know, it's been an amazing journey.
Speaker 2: It's sort of equated to therapy in front of a mirror.
Speaker 2: If that makes sense.
Speaker 1: It does. Yeah, I just I'm like, oh.
Speaker 2: I just discovered this about myself and I don't even
Speaker 2: need to pay my therapist right now. A lot of
Speaker 2: interesting insights like that I didn't know I knew about myself,
Speaker 2: a lot of interesting sort of like memory holes that
Speaker 2: I guess I've forgot about, and then like shaking loose
Speaker 2: some of those memories, and also like going back to
Speaker 2: the scene of the crime, and just like talking with
Speaker 2: my parents and talking with like friends and like, wait,
Speaker 2: this happened this way right. It was fascinating. It was
Speaker 2: a fascinating journey. And you know, I I sort of
Speaker 2: wanted I've always wanted to write something, but I wanted
Speaker 2: to have a purpose. And you know what I sort
Speaker 2: of realized, like the totality of my life has been
Speaker 2: is that I always fall into this like position where everyone,
Speaker 2: including myself, doubts me at times, and I pivot to
Speaker 2: this place of challenging myself to do things I don't
Speaker 2: think I'm capable of. And I want others to embrace
Speaker 2: that sense of self ownership and self respect because I
Speaker 2: think it's like it's valuable and important, and a lot
Speaker 2: of times I think that we settle, we don't push
Speaker 2: ourselves to like challenge ourselves to take risks, to take chances,
Speaker 2: take leaps in life. And the most success I've had
Speaker 2: in life is just like rolling the dice and being like,
Speaker 2: I'm not going to do the status quo. I'm going
Speaker 2: to do this weird ass Broadway musical instead of Modern Family,
Speaker 2: which I was invited to do. And so I was like,
Speaker 2: It's always been that way for me. It's always been like,
Speaker 2: let me just I know, I feel like I'm touching fire,
Speaker 2: but maybe it's good.
Speaker 1: Wow, you and you didn't figure this out until you
Speaker 1: write the book that that's what you did.
Speaker 2: I really didn't. I really didn't. I never self reflect.
Speaker 2: I'm always sort of like moving forward not looking back.
Speaker 2: Part of it is because I'm like so anxiety prone
Speaker 2: that like anytime I look back, I fear what I
Speaker 2: might see. So this has been a great discussion about
Speaker 2: movies that I want to be buried with. I don't
Speaker 2: want I don't want to get there. I'm actually my
Speaker 2: biggest fear is death. So the whole premise of this
Speaker 2: podcast just it is like one big existential nightmare.
Speaker 1: If that's going to come about.
Speaker 2: I really it didn't occur to me. Brett until I
Speaker 2: fully sat down and embraced all of it. That that
Speaker 2: is the theme, right, that that's sort of like the
Speaker 2: summation of this journey that I've had, and you know whatever,
Speaker 2: that's worth a reader. It's I don't ever ever think
Speaker 2: to myself, oh, everybody should read about me. I actually
Speaker 2: in the opposite, I'm like, what the fuck am I doing?
Speaker 2: Why am I publishing a book? Oh my god? What
Speaker 2: an embarrassment. But if I can even help like one
Speaker 2: or two people who read the book and go holy shit,
Speaker 2: like that's a worthwhile lesson, great, I will have done
Speaker 2: my job.
Speaker 1: It's all sharing in it. It's all sharing stuff. There's
Speaker 1: the whole thing of I think it's Alan Bennett. This
Speaker 1: is the highest thing about a book, And he said
Speaker 1: the best. I fucking can't remember word for word, but
Speaker 1: the quote is like when you read a book from
Speaker 1: like one hundred and fifty years ago and you relate
Speaker 1: to it, it is like a hand reaching out from
Speaker 1: the past to shake yours. And I think that's a
Speaker 1: really beautiful way of looking at it. I think these
Speaker 1: things are important.
Speaker 2: Even if you did butcher that quote, which I expect
Speaker 2: you did, Yeah, oh I did. I will tell you
Speaker 2: the premise of that philosophy is beautiful. Like that is
Speaker 2: a that is a profound I think it's part of
Speaker 2: why I'm obsessed with history. I'm actually like, I haven't
Speaker 2: I go to sleep that night listening to history podcasts
Speaker 2: because I really take comfort in the past reaching out.
Speaker 2: So I really do find that to be a very
Speaker 2: valid idea of like what And by the way, I
Speaker 2: think that too speaks to what we do for a living,
Speaker 2: Like I always sort of am like in a state
Speaker 2: of shocking disbelief that like I'm a part of this
Speaker 2: tradition right where I think about like my grandparents saw
Speaker 2: Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs in a movie theater
Speaker 2: as kids. My mother saw snow White and the Seven
Speaker 2: Dwarves in a movie theater A decade of decades later,
Speaker 2: I saw snow White. Decades after that, my kids have
Speaker 2: grown up with snow White, and like being a part
Speaker 2: of that legacy with Frozen and knowing that that movie
Speaker 2: potentially will outlive me or you, being a part of
Speaker 2: a show that is already in the lexicon of greatest
Speaker 2: shows ever made. Those are the things And that's the
Speaker 2: other element of my book that I talk about is
Speaker 2: I've I've never chased a career. I've always chased a legacy.
Speaker 2: I'm so afraid of death that I hope I mean
Speaker 2: something after I'm gone, and that's the real fear. And
Speaker 2: so it's like for me, it's and it's why I
Speaker 2: kind of love the subject of this podcast is, well,
Speaker 2: what is the legacy? What is the legacy of these things?
Speaker 1: Books?
Speaker 2: Movies, your life?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: What Napoleon, Jesus, Gandhi? You know, these are people who
Speaker 2: made such indelible marks that thousands of years on, dozens
Speaker 2: of years on, whatever it may be, we're still writing
Speaker 2: books about them, We're still talking about them, we're still
Speaker 2: sharing those stories. And I think that that's so beautiful
Speaker 2: that humanity can have such an impact that we can
Speaker 2: we can drive these things that Homer and the fucking
Speaker 2: Odyssey is something that like I still come back to
Speaker 2: and go, this is a masterpiece, and like, what can
Speaker 2: I learn from this? What can I do with this?
Speaker 2: And how was this guy such a genius that he
Speaker 2: could write something that is as profound and meaningful in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four as it was the day he showed
Speaker 2: Friend a copy of the Iliad. Okay read this isn't
Speaker 2: any good. This is incredible that. That is an incredible sentiment.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 1: Oh man, I had forgotten to tell you something, and
Speaker 1: as you were talking about legacy, it occurred to me like,
Speaker 1: oh fuck, I should have told him this earlier. But
Speaker 1: you you've died. You're dead.
Speaker 2: I'm dead now. Yeah, this is a weird way to
Speaker 2: sort of find out on a podcast. Is a tough
Speaker 2: way to learn that.
Speaker 1: As you say, everyone has a podcast now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it feels like this was always inevitable that I
Speaker 2: would find out about my own death on a podcast. Ye,
Speaker 2: but okay, all right? Also, way to bury the lead?
Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 2: Wait to bury the lead?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Fucking mad? Isn't it talk about a compliment? Sandwich?
Speaker 1: Damn it? All right? How did you die?
Speaker 2: Well, buddy, you should ask may I have involved eating
Speaker 2: and driving? Now, I will tell you that I'm not
Speaker 2: proud of this, and I will tell you that the
Speaker 2: sandwich was delicious with it, but the accident could have
Speaker 2: been avoided.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: It's sort of a defending your life way to go
Speaker 2: kind of really sort of sad and pathetic, but hopefully
Speaker 2: the beginning of self discovery and the next part of afterlife.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so what it was like long, like it covered
Speaker 1: your eyes, you were racing, or you were reaching for it,
Speaker 1: or you just spilt a bit.
Speaker 2: Wif that part of it is none of your goddamn business.
Speaker 2: What I was eating, I'll take to my grave kind
Speaker 2: of embarrassment out of self respect. Yeah, just know that
Speaker 2: it was delicious, It was great. It was nothing any
Speaker 2: of those weight loss drugs couldn't have helped with after
Speaker 2: the fact.
Speaker 1: It just was what it was, right.
Speaker 2: But for that truck that I never saw coming because
Speaker 2: I was looking down Jesus.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So you do worry about death. You worry about
Speaker 1: death on the daily, all the time, all the time. Way.
Speaker 2: I vividly remember this starting when I was like maybe six,
Speaker 2: and I woke up one night and I like recognized
Speaker 2: in real time mortality and was like, wait, this won't
Speaker 2: last forever. It's like the sheer act of opening my
Speaker 2: eyes will end. And my heart started to race. I
Speaker 2: started to get like physically ill, and like started to
Speaker 2: genuinely fear the unknown. I remember to the point that
Speaker 2: like I didn't like there was a period where I
Speaker 2: would only sleep in my mom's bed. I was so scared.
Speaker 2: It was probably a byproduct of a couple of things.
Speaker 2: My parents got divorced when I was like five years old,
Speaker 2: so like nothing has forever started to become like a yeah,
Speaker 2: a mantra. We had an incredible caretaker who was a
Speaker 2: part of our lives named Nellie. She died suddenly, and
Speaker 2: my dad, who's got a real fucking way with words.
Speaker 2: I remember like sitting on my mom's bed one night,
Speaker 2: this was after the divorce, and my mom and I
Speaker 2: was like saying, like, so, I'm never gonna see Nellie again,
Speaker 2: And my mom was handling it like as you should,
Speaker 2: being like, well, we don't know. And then my dad
Speaker 2: gets on the phone and he's like, no, she's gone,
Speaker 2: She's dead. You're not gonna see her again, And I
Speaker 2: was like, oh no, So like it was. I think
Speaker 2: that was my first real, like again existential crisis where
Speaker 2: I just I didn't know what I didn't know, and
Speaker 2: that scared the life out of me. And I remember
Speaker 2: like talking to therapists about it, and like, you know,
Speaker 2: I think it made me a hypochondriac. It is like
Speaker 2: a real genuine thing. I've since sort of like come
Speaker 2: to more peace with it. I'm much more worried now
Speaker 2: that I have kids, and I'm sure this is like
Speaker 2: a common thing, like about their health and safety over
Speaker 2: my health and safety, but I still dread it. I
Speaker 2: still fear it. We just lost my father in law suddenly,
Speaker 2: thank you man.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: And you know, the thing that always fascinates me about
Speaker 2: death is a lot of times it just happens in silence,
Speaker 2: and there's no score that accompanies it. There's no you
Speaker 2: know what I mean by that is like there you know,
Speaker 2: there's there's no there's nobody there. A lot of times
Speaker 2: there's nobody with you. There's nobody to memorialize the moment
Speaker 2: it just happens. And it's the smallness of that that
Speaker 2: I think I fear so much, right, Like it's the
Speaker 2: it's the quietude of it.
Speaker 1: It's the just.
Speaker 2: No standing over. Yeah, that's uh, that's tough. Like that's
Speaker 2: the especially like when your entire life is one of
Speaker 2: giving to others. I think a part of why we
Speaker 2: do what we do is because we're so scared of
Speaker 2: being alone with our elves. And like that is my
Speaker 2: fear that it'll happen just like in the quietest of ways,
Speaker 2: and I'll never see it coming, and then it'll be
Speaker 2: over and I think that that's the part that I
Speaker 2: struggle with.
Speaker 1: Well, luckily for you, it will be a very very
Speaker 1: very noisy, huge car wreck with a truck, so it
Speaker 1: won't be quiet. Don't need to worry about that.
Speaker 2: No, that's like.
Speaker 1: And how do you survived?
Speaker 2: The good news is that And it'll be gnarmally getting
Speaker 2: my body out of that mess. And it'll be like
Speaker 2: a Mama cast situation with like a fucking such lodge
Speaker 2: down my throat, like tough the images because she didn't
Speaker 2: they didn't have TMS back then, the images are going
Speaker 2: to be fucked.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm glad I could Tom Sawyer this bad
Speaker 2: Boy with you and look back on the scene of
Speaker 2: the crime. Thank you.
Speaker 1: What do you think happens after you die? Do you
Speaker 1: think that's enough today?
Speaker 2: What do I want to happen? Or what do I think?
Speaker 1: What do you think happens?
Speaker 2: All right? Well, I've always been a cynic when I
Speaker 2: think when it comes to life after death, The sort
Speaker 2: of like practical side of me is like there's nothing,
Speaker 2: it's just it's the sopranos. But I have had weird
Speaker 2: experiences after losing certain people in my life that I
Speaker 2: cannot explain. I've tried, and I take comfort in science, right,
Speaker 2: and I take comfort and the idea that energy can
Speaker 2: neither be created nor destroyed. And I think that that
Speaker 2: holds true for whatever we are, right, not what we
Speaker 2: know ourselves to be or think ourselves to be, but
Speaker 2: what we don't know.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: I've had some really really eye opening experiences that I
Speaker 2: can't explain that at least give me solace and leave
Speaker 2: the door open that maybe I'm not as smart as
Speaker 2: I think I am, and maybe I don't know what
Speaker 2: I don't know, and I'm open to that. And I'm
Speaker 2: also like, completely cool if it's just it's done.
Speaker 1: This may be two past, so I completely understand. But
Speaker 1: is there any of those experiences you would be willing
Speaker 1: to share?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I was. I've never shared this story before, thank you.
Speaker 2: So this is one of the weirder ones. We had
Speaker 2: a real tragedy a couple of years back that I
Speaker 2: haven't spoken much about, where I lost my nephew. Suddenly.
Speaker 1: I'm very sorry, man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you. This is a real fucked up podcast
Speaker 2: you run here. This is just a real depressing joint
Speaker 2: you got going here, right, Chips, this is tough. This
Speaker 2: is why everyone does Joe Rogan instead of whatever the
Speaker 2: fuck is happening here? So I was stunned, to say
Speaker 2: the least. It was very sudden, it was brutal. His
Speaker 2: name was Mark, beautiful soul, had this incredibly bright future
Speaker 2: out of him, and then it all stopped. I had
Speaker 2: been given the name of a psychic whose name I
Speaker 2: won't mention out of respect for this person along. But
Speaker 2: you know, a while before this all happened, I had
Speaker 2: had a reading with her and it was very interesting.
Speaker 2: It was it color me skeptical, but I wanted to
Speaker 2: have the experience because others have to have the experience.
Speaker 2: And said it's really life changing, and I was like, okay,
Speaker 2: I didn't find it to be life changing. I didn't
Speaker 2: find it. I thought it was interesting. So when Marco died,
Speaker 2: she reached out to me and she said, I'm very
Speaker 2: sorry about your loss. I want you to know he's
Speaker 2: still with you, and I want you to look for
Speaker 2: a sign from a bird. And I was deeply offended
Speaker 2: by this. I thought it was manipulative. I thought it
Speaker 2: was frankly fucked up, because like, you can find meaning
Speaker 2: in a bird shitting on you, and that that's sort
Speaker 2: of like, oh, okay, there you go, I guess so
Speaker 2: I was like, out of sight, out of mind. I
Speaker 2: didn't like that. A week later, two weeks later, we're
Speaker 2: in New Zealand and we're I'm shooting a project called
Speaker 2: Wolf Like Me. And a couple of weeks before I
Speaker 2: start shooting, I decide I'm going to take my wife
Speaker 2: and her family and go to New Zealand along with
Speaker 2: my family so we can all decompress. We're staying at
Speaker 2: this beautiful lodge and we're having breakfast on this veranda
Speaker 2: one day and there's this giant window and as we're
Speaker 2: sitting there, all of a sudden, I hear a loud
Speaker 2: thud against the window. My youngest daughter is he starts
Speaker 2: crying and screaming and says, oh my god, a bird
Speaker 2: just flew into the window. Is it hurt? Is it hurt?
Speaker 2: And almost like, I'm sure it's not hurt, Sure it's fine.
Speaker 2: So my girls and I walk outside. We're accompanied by
Speaker 2: a gentleman who works there at the lodge, and he
Speaker 2: picks up the bird and he says, you know, it's okay,
Speaker 2: it's just stunned, and the bird stares at at my
Speaker 2: daughters and I and we're just sort of comforting it.
Speaker 2: And about two minutes in, some very weird happens. This
Speaker 2: bird sits up and all of a sudden, it flies
Speaker 2: on to the shoulder of my youngest just kind of
Speaker 2: stares into her eyes. Then it flies to Ava and
Speaker 2: it just takes her in and literally Brett just like
Speaker 2: looks into her eyes, like looks into her soul. And
Speaker 2: then it flies onto me and does the same thing.
Speaker 2: And this happens with the family with all four of us, me,
Speaker 2: my daughter's, my wife, stares into my eyes, stares into
Speaker 2: her eyes. It then goes back onto the guy who
Speaker 2: was helping it come to and almost like it woke
Speaker 2: up from a daze, it became a bird again, flew
Speaker 2: off and I'm like, that was really strange. He goes,
Speaker 2: I have never seen that happen before. This other guy
Speaker 2: comes up to us, who works at this lodge, and
Speaker 2: he goes, you know, I have never seen that. I've
Speaker 2: worked here for thirty years, and that species is a
Speaker 2: very rare species of bird that we never see. I
Speaker 2: believe it's called a silver eye, and you don't find
Speaker 2: them here. In my thirty years of being here, I've
Speaker 2: maybe seen them twice. They're very elusive and they have
Speaker 2: no interactions with people. And he was talking about some
Speaker 2: sort of mythology about the bird, which I'm not going
Speaker 2: to bore your listeners with, but he goes, that was
Speaker 2: the strangest thing I've ever seen happen. And the truth
Speaker 2: is it is probably coincidence. But the reality is, I
Speaker 2: cannot tell you how much comfort I took from that experience.
Speaker 2: I cannot tell you how much comfort my kids took
Speaker 2: from that experience. About a year later, my brother in law,
Speaker 2: whose son is the one who died, was staying at
Speaker 2: our house and he would grill, and every day a
Speaker 2: hummingbird would fly up to him and just be by
Speaker 2: his side. I take comfort in it. I probably just
Speaker 2: birds being birds, but man, was it full of enough
Speaker 2: possibility that it put my heart at ease a little bit.
Speaker 2: And I thought it was beautiful. And I'm so grateful
Speaker 2: for this person reaching out to me and telling me
Speaker 2: this and for the experience that I had, because I
Speaker 2: do like to think that like his energy's still out
Speaker 2: there and that this was one way of celebrating it.
Speaker 2: Another very weird thing is my grandfather always used to
Speaker 2: say this phrase I love you. I love you. I
Speaker 2: love you very well. If I had a peanut, i'd
Speaker 2: give you the shell. Every time I walk everywhere, I
Speaker 2: will find one solitary peanut shell, one just waiting for
Speaker 2: me my same with my mom, same with my brothers.
Speaker 2: It is the weirdest thing. Cannot explain it. And it's
Speaker 2: always when we're in need of something. So I've had
Speaker 2: experiences that I can't explain and and I'm not looking
Speaker 2: to prove. I just see them as experiences and go
Speaker 2: maybe maybe.
Speaker 1: Not wow, wow, man, I mean I think we should
Speaker 1: end it there. No, I think that's so beautiful. And
Speaker 1: also it's stuff like that and what you took from
Speaker 1: it that I'm always like, well, there's there's the truth.
Speaker 1: Like I'm like, there is a heaven. There is a heaven,
Speaker 1: and you're going to it. You're going into it sounds
Speaker 1: so don't worry about it. And heaven is filled with
Speaker 1: your favorite thing. What's your favorite thing?
Speaker 2: That's that sandwich that I had the day that I uh, well,
Speaker 2: that I die.
Speaker 1: Or anything that killed you all right is filled with footlong.
Speaker 2: Never told you the type of sale much, man, Listen,
Speaker 2: I never told you the type of.
Speaker 1: Jesus, I didn't know they made two foot.
Speaker 2: Uh you know what, you know what heaven is. Heaven
Speaker 2: is my kids, it's my family, it's my it's the
Speaker 2: joy of what I get to do. It's wait, you know,
Speaker 2: I don't want I don't want you to tell because
Speaker 2: I don't want to go on a bull like we're
Speaker 2: not doing like a fucking afterlife special here. But I'm
Speaker 2: curious if you've had experiences I have.
Speaker 1: Yes, great, I have. I'm I'm molin.
Speaker 2: I think, I think I'm leaning all in. I think
Speaker 2: I I love that I've come to this place from
Speaker 2: a place of cynicism.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I did too, because I didn't.
Speaker 2: Want to believe. And I'm like, oh shit, there's like
Speaker 2: some weird stuff in this universe that don't I can't
Speaker 2: explain it. I like that, Like I like that I
Speaker 2: can't explain it.
Speaker 1: I sort of think on the simplest level, but I
Speaker 1: speak because I used to be like hardcore, your cynical,
Speaker 1: but then things started happening. And also the ship when
Speaker 1: people say, well, you know, if you prove it, then
Speaker 1: prove it. And I sometimes sort of want to go
Speaker 1: look at the sun, like what like look at a
Speaker 1: sunset and then tell me prove it. I go, like,
Speaker 1: it's fucking magic. I don't know, like that is beyond
Speaker 1: you can say, well it's this and this and this, Well,
Speaker 1: why does it feel profound if it's just stuff that? Yeah?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is it. The beauty of life is the
Speaker 2: evidence of itself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I sort of thing that. Anyway, you're going to heaven.
Speaker 1: Thank you for sharing that story. That's really really, really beautiful,
Speaker 1: and I'm very sorry for your lost Thank you. In heaven,
Speaker 1: everyone is very excited see you. But your kids are there.
Speaker 1: There's foot long sandwages everywhere and none of them will
Speaker 1: kill you. It's really nice. Thank you, and everyone want
Speaker 1: to see but they want to talk about your life
Speaker 1: through philm And the first thing they.
Speaker 2: Asked, I love that everyone, and I love that. Everyone
Speaker 2: in heaven is like, we just have won it. We've
Speaker 2: been waiting, so we should just talk about film.
Speaker 1: Well, they're like, we read your we read your memoirs.
Speaker 1: There's very little tools of films, you'd say, because they
Speaker 1: get it. There's like a publisher that does it up
Speaker 1: there too, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, and they you know,
Speaker 1: it's a handreading from the Afterlife to life when they
Speaker 1: read your book. But they read it, Okay, it's a
Speaker 1: great book, but I do wish he talked more about
Speaker 1: cinema visits.
Speaker 2: So they're like critics critics in Heaven. They've got like okay,
Speaker 2: they're like it's great, but there's just some ship that
Speaker 2: I think you.
Speaker 1: Could have done.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay. They've also read Andrew's book and they're comparing
Speaker 2: it to that.
Speaker 1: Andrew talks a lot more about films we've seen, and
Speaker 1: the first thing they want to know is, why is
Speaker 1: the first film you remember seeing?
Speaker 2: Josh kad This is a question that haunts me because
Speaker 2: I don't have that. As much as I want to
Speaker 2: tell you, anything I tell you is fuzzy. So let
Speaker 2: me tell you the first few I remember seeing. I
Speaker 2: remember seeing The Wizard of Oz, I remember seeing the
Speaker 2: Karate Kid. I remember seeing The Goonies. I remember seeing
Speaker 2: a movie called The Great Mouse Detective, and I remember
Speaker 2: seeing Back to the Future. Now my first vivid memory
Speaker 2: in a movie theater is weird. I remember we went
Speaker 2: to go see my We were visiting my mom one
Speaker 2: day at work and my brother's like, we're gonna go
Speaker 2: see Karate Kid in the theater and I'm like, no,
Speaker 2: I've seen the Karate Kid a bunch of times. It's like, no,
Speaker 2: it's karate Kid two. And I didn't understand the concept
Speaker 2: of a sequel, and I was super pissed because I
Speaker 2: was like, if we're going to the movies, I want
Speaker 2: to see a new movie. He's like, you fucking idiot,
Speaker 2: it is a new movie. And then we go and
Speaker 2: I don't know if you remember the beginning of karate
Speaker 2: Kid two, but it's literally a recap of karate Kid one.
Speaker 2: And I remember sitting in the theater being like, what
Speaker 2: the fuck they took all the best parts and just
Speaker 2: edited them together. What is this garbage? I was so angry.
Speaker 2: And then I remember my mind being blown because all
Speaker 2: of a sudden, like it's moments after Daniel beats Johnny
Speaker 2: and they're in like the bathroom and like, I'm like, wait, wait,
Speaker 2: this was never in Karate Kid. And I remember my
Speaker 2: mind being blown that there were further adventures of Daniel
Speaker 2: Lorusso mister Miagi, and I was like, this is dope,
Speaker 2: this is incredible stories. Can continue keep doing this for
Speaker 2: the rest of my life? In Hollywood, listen, they're like
Speaker 2: we're gonna if you like this, just wait, We're only
Speaker 2: gonna do this.
Speaker 1: Fuck, it's all your fault in it. It's all your
Speaker 1: fault to one survey when you left the cinema. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just what, We're of the same forever.
Speaker 2: Please, it's such a bummer. But like that's when, like then,
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, I remember every movie I saw,
Speaker 2: so I like I remember sitting in the theater. I
Speaker 2: can vividly remember the experiences of watching movies like look
Speaker 2: Who's talking? Look Indiana Jones and The Last Crusade. I
Speaker 2: remember seeing Back to the Future and then that to
Speaker 2: be continued on the screen, and then they gave you
Speaker 2: a little clip of what Back to the Future three
Speaker 2: was going to look like Howard the Duck. Like these
Speaker 2: were movies I would go every week. I just wanted
Speaker 2: to consume film.
Speaker 1: It does make you think, with the passion you're speaking
Speaker 1: about and the memories you have, very weird that you
Speaker 1: didn't write solely about this in your memoirs. But that's fine.
Speaker 1: That is why we're doing Oh wow totally.
Speaker 2: It hasn't even read it and already super critical of it.
Speaker 1: What is the film that scared you the most?
Speaker 2: Do you like being scared, Josh kad fuck dude, vividly
Speaker 2: remember this one four years old, my brother and his friends,
Speaker 2: our garage was converted into a den and I walk
Speaker 2: in and there's a bus. I'll never forget this, and
Speaker 2: the bus is like driving through like this other world
Speaker 2: like hell like environment. And that was my first time
Speaker 2: I ever saw Freddy Krueger and Nightmare on Elm Street.
Speaker 2: They have rented it. That movie fucked me up so
Speaker 2: hard being four years old and walking in on that movie.
Speaker 2: And then similarly, my brothers and their friends watched Little
Speaker 2: Shop of Horrors. Between that plant and that Nightmare, Edward Scissorhands, fucker,
Speaker 2: I was messed up. I was like, but then I
Speaker 2: craved more of it, right like. So you know, my
Speaker 2: best friend Seth Gable and I as kids, I remember
Speaker 2: we rented all six or at the time, all five
Speaker 2: Nightmare on Elm Street movies, even the movie The People
Speaker 2: Under the Stairs. I don't know if you remember that, Jim. Yeah,
Speaker 2: there was that crazy weird movie The Gate where the
Speaker 2: kid has like an eyeball in his hand and he
Speaker 2: like has to stab it with like a glass yard
Speaker 2: and I would as terrified as I was I wanted more?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I get it. Oh, I get it?
Speaker 2: So yeah. I definitely like Chasing the Scares?
Speaker 1: What a about crying? What's the film made you cry? Am?
Speaker 2: I see you a crier? A big time? But two
Speaker 2: movies stand out to me. Ordinary People, Mmm, good movie
Speaker 2: in terms of endearment. Ordinary People is incredible. And there
Speaker 2: was another movie that fucked me up so hard called
Speaker 2: My Life. Do you remember My Life?
Speaker 1: With Michael Keay and then Nick Nicole Kimmen while he's
Speaker 1: making videos because he's dying, he's making videos for his day.
Speaker 2: That movie is not okay. That is a not okay
Speaker 2: thing to do as a movie. Like the whole premise
Speaker 2: of the movie is is this podcast? It's the conceit
Speaker 2: of this podcast, which is you're gonna die, you know
Speaker 2: how you're gonna die, and when you're gonna die, and
Speaker 2: you're making a movie for your kid who's never going
Speaker 2: to get to fucking meet you. Yeah, not okay.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the guy who wrote Ghost I think directed.
Speaker 2: That with the guy who played Beetlejuice correct.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, obsessed with death, obsessed with death.
Speaker 2: I'm always fascinated by those like writer directors who you
Speaker 2: like home run after home run and then just quietly
Speaker 2: peace out, like what's his name? Who did Field of Dreams?
Speaker 2: And Sneakers an unbelievable movie two Bangers Bangers. Sneakers is
Speaker 2: one of the most underrated movies I've ever seen.
Speaker 1: Degree Sneakers is one of them films that I think
Speaker 1: of like School of Rock, where Sneakers looks like a
Speaker 1: lot of films. You've seen that type of film, but
Speaker 1: it is so perfect you realize that that type of
Speaker 1: film is to do. That's it until you see Sneakers.
Speaker 2: It is like it's a It's an even better version
Speaker 2: of Ocean's eleven, like really, like it's like it's like
Speaker 2: the original mission impossible. Like it's just fucking great and
Speaker 2: a great.
Speaker 1: Cast, charming and funny.
Speaker 2: Oh we should do it. Let's do a remake of Sneakers. Okay,
Speaker 2: this is it. Okay, this is where it was born,
Speaker 2: is where the idea was born. Here post my death.
Speaker 1: After he died, then made it the boot it was.
Speaker 1: It was just it was sort of Bernie Sneakers, like yeah,
Speaker 1: dead for the whole but really, but it's president. You
Speaker 1: can feel it. Yeah, he's still charismatic. He was incredibly charismatic.
Speaker 2: He's actually at his most care He was his most
Speaker 2: charismatic with a little formaldehyde in his body. That's when
Speaker 2: he really came to life finally. Yeah, really big.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like really scary. They stare, they were scary,
Speaker 1: but mesmeric.
Speaker 2: In depth in in death. That actor's eyes finally came
Speaker 2: to life. It's going to be the starting quote of
Speaker 2: New York Times. Yeah, it's great. Love it.
Speaker 1: What is the film that you love? It is not
Speaker 1: critically acclaimed, but you love it unconditionally.
Speaker 2: Where do I even start? That is such a good question,
Speaker 2: because they're so fucking many. Well, The Doonies is not
Speaker 2: a critically beloved film. I would call it a perfect film.
Speaker 2: I absolutely love The Goonies. I think that Indiana Jones
Speaker 2: in the Temple of Doom is a unbelievably weird and
Speaker 2: beautiful film. It's got plenty of flaws, but it is
Speaker 2: just weird, and I love that he lives into the
Speaker 2: dark weirdness. There is a movie that so I'm an
Speaker 2: ambulan kid, like I imagine in many ways you were
Speaker 2: brought up and I think that in many ways Steven
Speaker 2: Spielberg raised me. And there's a movie that I think
Speaker 2: is his like opus that nobody talks about. And it's
Speaker 2: a movie called The Empire of the Sun. And this
Speaker 2: movie is really famous because you know, it was an
Speaker 2: unbelievable young actor who would later go on to play Batman,
Speaker 2: an American psycho by the name of Christian Bale. Incredible
Speaker 2: performances by John Malkovich, one of the most unbelievable scores
Speaker 2: by John Williams, with this haunting sort of like a
Speaker 2: chorl kind of it's like he was doing what Hans
Speaker 2: Zimmer does for a living now, like in this film.
Speaker 2: And there was just something speaking of haunting about the
Speaker 2: movie that just haunted me as a child, like it's
Speaker 2: the story of this boy who separated from his parents.
Speaker 2: Are there British expats living in Japan or China rather
Speaker 2: during the occupation And it's just incredible. I watched that
Speaker 2: film again and again as a child and come back
Speaker 2: to it now and I'm like, how is this film
Speaker 2: not more revered.
Speaker 1: It's got a bit in it that has haunted me
Speaker 1: forever where he says I can't remember what my parents
Speaker 1: look like dead, I'm dead, I'm not dead.
Speaker 2: It's incredible. Who wrote Empire? This it's it's somebody.
Speaker 1: Who did crash. It's based on his book, it's based
Speaker 1: on his childhood, I think.
Speaker 2: But you know who wrote the screenplay? Is that Tom Stoppard?
Speaker 2: There you go.
Speaker 1: On that film, that's it. Then that's it. Then that's it.
Speaker 2: That's me. Do I sound like one of your popmates
Speaker 2: that ship?
Speaker 1: Then? See what is the film that you used to love?
Speaker 1: You've watched it recently? You for I don't like this anymore?
Speaker 1: A good question. Fuck, that is such a good question.
Speaker 2: There's so many of them, but I feel bad saying
Speaker 2: them out loud where I'm like, woof, this did not
Speaker 2: hold up well. I mean, Revenge of the Nerds is
Speaker 2: a tough watch, brother, like it's it's a tough watch.
Speaker 2: Now Brown British died. There's there's some fucking god, there's
Speaker 2: just some let's call them problematic films now that weren't
Speaker 2: problematic when they came out, but probably should have been. Yeah,
Speaker 2: a lot of these movies I'll like rewatch showing my kids.
Speaker 2: You know one that I've come full circle on that
Speaker 2: I was like, this is a great movie. This is
Speaker 2: a whole horrible film. Oh, this is a really cool movie.
Speaker 2: Ridley Scott's legend interesting, so weird. It is so weird,
Speaker 2: and I checked out on it and then I revisited
Speaker 2: it with my daughter and she was mesmerized, and I
Speaker 2: was like, so, I was right, okay, like it is cool.
Speaker 1: It's a mess, but it's cool. What is the film
Speaker 1: that means the mice to you? Not necessarily the film
Speaker 1: itself is good, but because the experience you had seeing
Speaker 1: it will always make it meaningful to you.
Speaker 2: Just Cat, that's beautiful, Aladdin, Aladdin. I remember seeing that
Speaker 2: movie ninety two, November ninety two, and I literally turned
Speaker 2: to my mother and I've said this story many times,
Speaker 2: but it still holds true, and I said, I want
Speaker 2: to do that one day. And I was talking about
Speaker 2: Robin Williams iconic performance. A performance is the genie, and
Speaker 2: I just remember sitting in that theater and feeling this
Speaker 2: electricity soaring through my body of that comic tour de
Speaker 2: force that was like a superpower. I was laughing so hard.
Speaker 2: I was so mesmerized, and I wanted to do that.
Speaker 2: I want I dreamed of one day being a Disney character,
Speaker 2: comic relief sidekick. So that movie you fuckingly did it.
Speaker 2: I did it. Yeah, so that was crazy wow. I
Speaker 2: also vividly remember I have so many great memories sitting
Speaker 2: in the theater. I remember the first time I saw
Speaker 2: Jurassic Park, and it just changed my relationship with movies
Speaker 2: in that like that was the first time I really
Speaker 2: asked out loud, how did they do that? Like the
Speaker 2: magic of it? I think was the first time that
Speaker 2: I like sat back and go I went, you know,
Speaker 2: because remember I was born in eighty one, so like
Speaker 2: I missed the real Star Wars experience in theaters. I
Speaker 2: had like, you know, the you know re releases, and
Speaker 2: I had Return of the Jedi. But I was fairly young,
Speaker 2: so Jurassic was like the first movie along with Terminator two,
Speaker 2: where I was like what am I watching and how
Speaker 2: are they doing this? I didn't have any relationship with
Speaker 2: what I was seeing where I was like it was
Speaker 2: like a magic act, and I remember just being like,
Speaker 2: holy fucking shit.
Speaker 1: I remember seeing Tim at the cinema when I was
Speaker 1: young and being like, fuck it out, this is something
Speaker 1: so incredible. What is the film? You must relate to.
Speaker 2: Plain streams and automobile maybe, like I see a lot
Speaker 2: of myself in that John Candy character, whereas there's like
Speaker 2: a there's like a joyfulness but inside of real sadness sometimes,
Speaker 2: you know. I think in many ways I relate to
Speaker 2: National Lampoon's vacation. Oh, that's sort of like the way
Speaker 2: I see the chaos of my family and my life.
Speaker 1: I like that.
Speaker 2: I think there are pieces of myself I see in
Speaker 2: many films, but not like one film that stands out
Speaker 2: as like this film is me. So it's more of
Speaker 2: like an amalgamation of films that I point to and like, oh,
Speaker 2: that part of me is in that, and that part
Speaker 2: of me is in that, you know, like my relationship
Speaker 2: with my guy friends I think of like stand by me,
Speaker 2: and like there's just like I don't know, there's just
Speaker 2: different elements I see in everything.
Speaker 1: What's the sexiest film I've ever seen? Oh? God, the
Speaker 1: sexiest film I've ever seen? How fuck do I even
Speaker 1: answer that?
Speaker 2: Ghost that is a sexy movie movie? I mean it
Speaker 2: then like gets unsexy pretty quick, but I'm.
Speaker 1: Thinking about play getting hard quickly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's just dirty, like it just becomes dirty.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you that. The sexiest movie I regret seeing
Speaker 2: in a theater was Unfaithful with my Mother.
Speaker 1: That's a sexy fucking movie.
Speaker 2: That is a sexy movie, and I just would not
Speaker 2: recommend seeing that in the theater next to your mom.
Speaker 2: It was tough.
Speaker 1: That was tough. It was just a fucking two of
Speaker 1: us night night.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah. And I think I picked it because I
Speaker 2: just read great reviews, but I didn't read what the
Speaker 2: movie was about.
Speaker 1: If only there were a clue, well.
Speaker 2: I just back then, I would see, like four stars.
Speaker 2: Sun Sentinel gives it four stars. It looks like a winner.
Speaker 2: That is why Rotten Tomatoes really took over, because these
Speaker 2: pesky newspaper clips were just too hard to read.
Speaker 1: It with too many kids going with their mom to
Speaker 1: see sex films, I said, we need to fix this.
Speaker 2: This movie Mom's got five stars. It's called basic instinct.
Speaker 2: I think we should give it a shot.
Speaker 1: There's a sub category to this question, Josh troubling boners,
Speaker 1: worrying why does the film you found arousing You weren't
Speaker 1: sure you should?
Speaker 2: Oh man, I fucking hate I definitely remember my first
Speaker 2: boner was see.
Speaker 1: This is this? Is this?
Speaker 2: So I'm going to take a I'm going to take
Speaker 2: a different approach to this answer than a lot of
Speaker 2: your guests. Fast Times at Ridgemont High because I had
Speaker 2: to live with that knowledge. Then working with Kevin Klein
Speaker 2: on a movie and being paid a visit by his wife,
Speaker 2: who I had this experience of quite frequently as a child,
Speaker 2: that was problematic. Answer, Yeah, it's not your usual answers
Speaker 2: like this is a problematic movie, you know?
Speaker 1: Answer? How did you cope?
Speaker 2: How did I cope? I just I just didn't tell anybody.
Speaker 2: I didn't tell them until now.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. You're dead. It's fine.
Speaker 2: I'm dead. Kevin would kill me if I were alive,
Speaker 2: so I'm happy that I'm gone. This is the only
Speaker 2: part of the conversation that's going to be picked up
Speaker 2: on by like People magazine. Josh Kadd claims that he
Speaker 2: got multiple bonus to Kevin Klein's wife, joined joining millions
Speaker 2: of others.
Speaker 1: Boy, what is objectively the greatest film of all time?
Speaker 2: Might not be your favorite? Godfather Too? Actually, I would
Speaker 2: say Godfather one Godfather too. I don't think you can
Speaker 2: or should separate them. I think that they are one
Speaker 2: complete masterpiece. You will not talk about Godfather three, but
Speaker 2: I do think that those two films are just perfect.
Speaker 1: They are perfect. Have you watched the new Godfather three
Speaker 1: the re edit or whatever it is.
Speaker 2: I've heard it's excellent. I haven't had the courage yet.
Speaker 2: I don't want to be let down. I want to
Speaker 2: believe it's great, so I've sort of like just imagined
Speaker 2: it's great. What are your thoughts.
Speaker 1: I haven't seen it.
Speaker 2: We should do it together? Okay, maybe maybe maybe when
Speaker 2: we get back from the game, when we're on the
Speaker 2: try and go back to your flat and we'll watch it.
Speaker 2: Then we'll just see what. Maybe a couple of hooligans
Speaker 2: will come over and we'll just watch.
Speaker 1: While my kids the direct while we're one of the
Speaker 1: most perfect films ever, very arrogantly.
Speaker 2: It's like, do you remember when the shot for shot remake?
Speaker 2: Then nobody, we don't. Nobody talks about this enough. The
Speaker 2: shot remakes of Psycho just go away. We just imagine
Speaker 2: having such steel balls that you're like, I know it's
Speaker 2: a perfect film, but watch I'm going to redo it
Speaker 2: completely and kind of redo it in color. But at
Speaker 2: one scene where Vince Von masturbates on camera.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it did improve it.
Speaker 2: Well. Hitchcock called that the scene that got away?
Speaker 1: What is god? Am I wrong?
Speaker 2: By the way? Am I wrong about the Godfather films.
Speaker 1: I you know what, are you?
Speaker 2: Citizen canning me? No?
Speaker 1: I think Don't Look Now is objectively the greatest film.
Speaker 2: You know what?
Speaker 1: Your objectivity is different?
Speaker 2: You're wrong in many ways. This is a profoundly wrong answer.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I get it, I get it. Do you
Speaker 2: know now? Wait a second? Yeah, can I can? I
Speaker 2: take a different approach to that? Can I go back?
Speaker 2: Do you allow backdracking when you're dead? It depends, well, yeah,
Speaker 2: because you can sort of. There is no time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can.
Speaker 2: Do whatever I want. My death, my rights, So let's
Speaker 2: do it like this drama Godfather one too musical, Wizard
Speaker 2: of Oz Singing in the Rain or Wizard of Oz.
Speaker 2: You probably both answers are correct, right, Silent film? I
Speaker 2: would say gold Rush. I think it's a masterpiece. Nice
Speaker 2: fantasy listens, Fellowship of the Ring Love sci Fi would
Speaker 2: have to say Empire strikes Back and Aliens tie, and
Speaker 2: then Action adventure would have to say Raiders.
Speaker 1: Of the Lost Ark Arah, what you're saying.
Speaker 2: Exorcist, that's an one or Shining probably again a tie, comedy, comedy,
Speaker 2: tie back to the future.
Speaker 1: Roundhog Day? What is the film you could or have
Speaker 1: watched the most over and over again.
Speaker 2: It is the Goonies. I have seen the Goonies probably
Speaker 2: a thousand times. That's why, Like when I did Reunited Apart,
Speaker 2: that was the first movie I did because it was
Speaker 2: the one I watched the most. Kid, remember that that
Speaker 2: was it I was. I watched it and Back to
Speaker 2: the Futures a close second of just every time they're on,
Speaker 2: I could watch them.
Speaker 1: What is the worst film you've ever seen? This is
Speaker 1: a tough one.
Speaker 2: God, probably Garbage Pail Kids.
Speaker 1: It is. It is very weird, very weird, very weirdy weird.
Speaker 2: Now you know what else is just a fucking nightmare
Speaker 2: of a movie. Do you remember Congo? As excited as
Speaker 2: I was by seeing Michael Crichton's Furassic Bargain in the theater.
Speaker 2: That's how excited I was to leave early in the
Speaker 2: middle of Congo. That was my first time as a
Speaker 2: as a person coming of age, that I realized you
Speaker 2: have the freedom to walk out of the theater if
Speaker 2: what you've paid for is not quite good enough. And
Speaker 2: I was like, I can no longer be a part
Speaker 2: of this.
Speaker 1: Interesting during comedy, you're very funny, But what's the film
Speaker 1: that made you laugh the most?
Speaker 2: Just kad the hardest. I remember laughing in a movie theater.
Speaker 2: There's three films that I remember actually falling out of
Speaker 2: my seat, my cousin Vinny, South Park, Bigger, Better Uncut, Yes,
Speaker 2: and Borat. Those are the three memories I have of
Speaker 2: actually like convulsing of laughter to the point that I
Speaker 2: just couldn't be And I have a sturdy ass. So
Speaker 2: for me to like project for a seat to project,
Speaker 2: I'll vomit me out takes a lot.
Speaker 1: Good. That's pretty good. Before we get to the patroon section,
Speaker 1: can we talk about your new film which I've seen.
Speaker 1: My very good friend Nora kat Patrick made a treatment
Speaker 1: into wis. It's very very good. Please tell us about it.
Speaker 1: I don't know when it's coming out, but one day soon,
Speaker 1: so let's have a little chat about it.
Speaker 2: Well, we made it for just friends of Nora. We
Speaker 2: just wanted to like do an experimental film where like
Speaker 2: only certain people are allowed to watch it, nobody else.
Speaker 1: So grateful I made that list. It's fucking brilliant.
Speaker 2: People usually do movies for the masses, and we're like,
Speaker 2: what if we do it for the for the minuses.
Speaker 2: So it's a it's a movie, really what you know,
Speaker 2: it's a movie about about relationships and about the sort
Speaker 2: of difficulty of monogamy and the and the you know,
Speaker 2: the things that we sometimes leave unsaid that we should say,
Speaker 2: and the idea of like having to confront her truths
Speaker 2: when those hard truths are presented to you. So, you know,
Speaker 2: the inciting incident of the movie is that we're visiting
Speaker 2: this cabin in the woods for a weekend as we're
Speaker 2: snowed in, and me and my best friend are walking
Speaker 2: back and see our significant others having sex with each other,
Speaker 2: and then it's the what do you do now with
Speaker 2: that information? Yeah, and it's just a great sort of
Speaker 2: movie about people. Like it's just as as novel as
Speaker 2: that sounds. There's something actually really special in the simplicity
Speaker 2: of it because it's just all about like performance and
Speaker 2: it's all about us getting to do incredible dialogue as
Speaker 2: written by this brilliant writer or Kirkpatrick, And it was
Speaker 2: just it was a joy, I mean, working with d
Speaker 2: V Diggs, Alexandra Di Dario and Ashley Park and Nora
Speaker 2: was just like it was a dream in the middle
Speaker 2: of nowhere in Utah. So probably coming out this year,
Speaker 2: we're very I'm very happy with it. She's brilliant. I
Speaker 2: love her.
Speaker 1: She is brilliant. She really is brilliant. Josh Gatt, you
Speaker 1: have an absolute joy. However, oh god, when you would
Speaker 1: and you were eating two foot long and it was
Speaker 1: filled with meat and bananas, it was do you fo subway?
Speaker 1: And then you were meat and you were driving around.
Speaker 2: Sort of like sexual proclivities, do.
Speaker 1: You You were driving the corner of a cliff holland, yeah,
Speaker 1: and you you lifted it up because you were trying
Speaker 1: to get more banana and meat into your mouth.
Speaker 2: And I don't like the way you're I don't like
Speaker 2: the way you're motioning.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you turned a bit and the truck came straight
Speaker 1: towards you. You didn't see it, and you were and
Speaker 1: then the truck hit you and.
Speaker 2: You roll cookie monster now down the cliff, roll down.
Speaker 1: The cliff exploded like in a movie that so it
Speaker 1: was pretty cool. It was pretty cool. A lot of
Speaker 1: people and they burning was cool. Okay, car exploded, but
Speaker 1: you exploded from the bananas and banana and meat went
Speaker 1: everywhere everywhere. Anyway. I was walking along Mareland with a coffin.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm like, And I go Jesus, what
Speaker 1: was the banana and meat factor? We explode like I No,
Speaker 1: it was just this car fucking hell. So I crawled
Speaker 1: down the cliff with the coffin. I get down there,
Speaker 1: it's an absolute mess. It looks like something terrible has happened.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, can you help me with Yeah, we
Speaker 1: fill up the coffin with You have to chop its
Speaker 1: you up to get you all in it. You're all
Speaker 1: in there. There's more of you than I was expected.
Speaker 1: The coffin is absolutely rammed. There's only enough room in
Speaker 1: there for me to slip one DV day into the
Speaker 1: side for you to take across to the other side.
Speaker 1: The other side. It's movie night every night. What film
Speaker 1: are you taking to show your children in heaven with
Speaker 1: the sandwiches when it is your movie night, Josh cad Go.
Speaker 2: My favorite part of this whole conceit okay, just putting
Speaker 2: aside the truly horrific and graphic death you've given me
Speaker 2: and the disgusting sandwich that killed me, something that rooms,
Speaker 2: and the way everyone will look at me for the
Speaker 2: rest of their lives. But the detail that stands out
Speaker 2: to me, the stupidest detail, is that I took a DVD,
Speaker 2: not even a Blu ray. I didn't even want something
Speaker 2: that had like, you know, HD quality. I was like,
Speaker 2: give me a shitty, outdated mode of watching something with
Speaker 2: my banana meat in heaven because I don't I don't go,
Speaker 2: I don't move on without a DVD machine. I live
Speaker 2: solely in the late nineties, and that's what I want to.
Speaker 2: I don't want to. Like if I could get my
Speaker 2: fucking HND three D little hands on a laser disc player,
Speaker 2: that's what I would do. But it's this DVD, okay,
Speaker 2: So that movie would probably be rat tattooy fucking wonderful.
Speaker 1: What a great answer, and.
Speaker 2: We watch it on our we'd watch it on our
Speaker 2: DVD together. It'd be like, kids, I'm so sad that
Speaker 2: Brett sent you here before you were ready. I know
Speaker 2: Daddy smells like him and banana, and also I know
Speaker 2: we're watching this with like pretty bad aspect ratio and
Speaker 2: low quality visuals.
Speaker 1: It's a pirate it's a pirate copy as well.
Speaker 2: It's a pirated copy that we got in New York
Speaker 2: City on the street. My dad once did that. He
Speaker 2: came home to Florida. I would see my dad like
Speaker 2: three times a year, and he'd always come with a gift,
Speaker 2: and the gifts were usually very shitty. And one day
Speaker 2: he brought me home alone two on a cassette tape
Speaker 2: and it had like a copy of like the poster,
Speaker 2: like a just a shitty sort of photo copy on
Speaker 2: the cover, and it was like literally like a paper
Speaker 2: that had been like pushed in. And I was like, Dad,
Speaker 2: the movie just came out like three weeks ago. How
Speaker 2: did you get it? He's like, I have my ways,
Speaker 2: And I remember putting the VHS into the player and
Speaker 2: it was just snow. My dad got fucking fleeced. They
Speaker 2: didn't even bother to like actually do a pirated version.
Speaker 2: They were just like, oh no, we're just gonna send
Speaker 2: you a blank video and you're gonna give us twenty bucks.
Speaker 2: Really sucked.
Speaker 1: Would suck? Listen the DVD does have on it if
Speaker 1: someone filming on then, but it is there. Yeah, just
Speaker 1: you've been wonderful. Would you like to tell people what
Speaker 1: to look out for, or to listen to, or to
Speaker 1: read in the coming months.
Speaker 2: I want to tell people to look out for Brett
Speaker 2: cold Seine. I think he's a problem and I think
Speaker 2: he's coming for all of you. I think he's I
Speaker 2: think he's the closest thing we have to like a
Speaker 2: death eater where he just like collects souls.
Speaker 1: But what about the work of Gad. Yeah, before I
Speaker 1: take yourself.
Speaker 2: On the Josh Gad front, I have a lovely book
Speaker 2: all about my life before the car accident that I
Speaker 2: would love you all to get your hands on, even
Speaker 2: though it's available in Heaven called in Gad we Trust,
Speaker 2: available for pre order right now, right it comes out right, yes,
Speaker 2: but your listeners can just go online and they can
Speaker 2: click a button.
Speaker 1: Do it now.
Speaker 2: They can say pre order in gad we Trust. They
Speaker 2: can do it right this second. They don't have I
Speaker 2: don't know why they're not doing it right now. I
Speaker 2: hope that it's weird. It's weird that they're being so
Speaker 2: fucking lazy.
Speaker 1: They're trying to be present with the podcast, but you're
Speaker 1: giving them permission to sort multitask well.
Speaker 2: Do it. You're on your you're listening on your phone
Speaker 2: or a DVD copy of this pod. Just take it,
Speaker 2: take the second and do it. Go to Amazon in
Speaker 2: gad we Trust, ga d simple, what's it?
Speaker 1: What's it again?
Speaker 2: In Gad we Trust?
Speaker 1: Press the button.
Speaker 2: Do it now, smash that like button which is really
Speaker 2: a purchase button hidden behind the like bude. And then
Speaker 2: you know, we have a remake of Sneakers coming out,
Speaker 2: which we're really excited about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're very excited weekend Bernie Sneakers.
Speaker 2: We can at Sneakers.
Speaker 1: We got a Sneakers. You've been an absolute pleasure. Thank
Speaker 1: you for the time. Oh yeah, we had a good Hey, this.
Speaker 2: Has been more fun than going to Manu game many
Speaker 2: and we have fun.
Speaker 1: We've had a right old time. Good day to you.
Speaker 1: We're going to stop the recording. Goodbye. So that was
Speaker 1: episode three hundred and thirty three. Head over to the
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Speaker 1: and why A love the things reading very much helpful
Speaker 1: numbers and we really appreciate it. Thank you very much.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much to Josh for giving me his time.
Speaker 1: Thanks to Scruby's pipping and distract some pieces of network.
Speaker 1: Thanks to Buddy Peace for producing it. Thanks to iHeartMedia
Speaker 1: and wil Ferrell's Big Money Players Network hosting it. Thanks
Speaker 1: to Adamschison for the graphics and Leaves to lead them
Speaker 1: for the photography. Come and join me next week for
Speaker 1: another absolutely banging episode. But that is it for now.
Speaker 1: In the meantime, I hope you're all well, loads of love,
Speaker 1: and please, now more than ever, be excellent to each other.
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