WEBVTT - Thinking Sideways: Anjikuni Lake 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:03.600 Hey guys, Steve here, you are listening to one of 0:00:03.600 --> 0:00:06.600 our original twenty six episodes. If you listen to any 0:00:06.640 --> 0:00:09.280 of our new episodes, you're gonna notice that we're sounding 0:00:09.320 --> 0:00:11.639 a little different in these ones. Yeah, there's a reason 0:00:11.680 --> 0:00:14.480 for that. There is they've been remastered. They have been 0:00:14.520 --> 0:00:18.040 remastered because they had a really annoying hum. Yeah, I 0:00:18.040 --> 0:00:21.480 mean a huge thanks to listener James for doing almost 0:00:21.520 --> 0:00:23.880 all of the legwork on this thing. They'll also notice 0:00:23.880 --> 0:00:25.880 if you had listened to what we're calling the last 0:00:25.920 --> 0:00:29.639 twenty six episodes before and you're re listening now, the 0:00:29.800 --> 0:00:33.160 music and sound effects are gone. Yes, we've we've gone 0:00:33.159 --> 0:00:35.720 back to straight audio, So be warned. We sound a 0:00:35.720 --> 0:00:38.040 little different today than we do in what you're about 0:00:38.040 --> 0:00:46.880 to listen to. Yeah, bye bye, Thinking Sideways. I don't 0:00:46.960 --> 0:00:56.960 understand you never know what stories of things. We simply 0:00:57.040 --> 0:01:02.160 don't know the answer too. Well. Hold there, Welcome to 0:01:02.160 --> 0:01:05.440 another episode of Thinking Sideways. We are the podcast that 0:01:05.600 --> 0:01:08.880 tackles the unsolved mysteries that baffled people through the ages, 0:01:08.959 --> 0:01:12.360 and we solved them. My name is, my name is Joe, 0:01:12.480 --> 0:01:15.520 on my left is Steve, and on my right is 0:01:16.600 --> 0:01:19.959 and so we're gonna delve into another really cool unsolved mystery. 0:01:20.000 --> 0:01:23.640 This is the Angel Couni Lake mystery. It's a disappearance 0:01:23.640 --> 0:01:26.360 of an entire tribe of Escobos. And this story has 0:01:26.360 --> 0:01:30.320 got everything. It's got mysterious blue blinking lights in the sky, 0:01:30.560 --> 0:01:37.720 church desecration, Canadian mounted police, grave robbery, and across dressing 0:01:37.800 --> 0:01:44.280 dog And did I leave anything out? Yeah? Yeah it is, 0:01:44.360 --> 0:01:47.880 It really is, Okay, So let's get started here. Our 0:01:47.880 --> 0:01:51.440 story starts in November of nineteen thirty. A fur trapper 0:01:51.560 --> 0:01:55.360 named Joe Label is in the Northwest Territories of Canada. 0:01:55.440 --> 0:01:58.120 This is like the area north of Manitoba since been 0:01:58.160 --> 0:02:00.560 partitioned off, and they've created a new problem. It's called 0:02:01.160 --> 0:02:03.320 I forget what it's called. It's like Neiva two or 0:02:03.320 --> 0:02:05.400 something like that. But they created a new province of 0:02:05.480 --> 0:02:10.040 province for the Innuit Indians that are in Northwest territories. Yeah. So, 0:02:10.200 --> 0:02:13.560 Lake on Jokani is located about two miles west of 0:02:13.600 --> 0:02:18.600 Hudson Bay and well north of Manitobah. So anyway, he 0:02:18.720 --> 0:02:22.200 was trudging along looking for this village where apparently he 0:02:22.800 --> 0:02:25.200 was familiar with the inhabitants and he'd been by there 0:02:25.200 --> 0:02:27.000 many times. And had friends there, and he was hoping 0:02:27.000 --> 0:02:28.720 to spend the night there and maybe get a hot meal. 0:02:29.080 --> 0:02:31.560 He comes to it in the evening apparently, like I 0:02:31.560 --> 0:02:34.760 don't know what, like early evening too, and it was 0:02:34.800 --> 0:02:38.880 not quite dark yet, apparently like around twilight. Yeah, maybe twilight, 0:02:38.919 --> 0:02:41.760 that's a good word. The village, as the story goes, 0:02:41.919 --> 0:02:44.600 was huts and some tents, and when he was when 0:02:44.639 --> 0:02:47.840 he approached it, he noticed that it was unnaturally quiet, 0:02:47.880 --> 0:02:49.680 and normally you would expect to hear the sounds of 0:02:49.720 --> 0:02:52.440 people and then the dogs barking in such things, and 0:02:52.720 --> 0:02:56.280 there were no noises coming from the village, which purpose 0:02:56.360 --> 0:02:59.320 interest piqued his interest just a little bit. Also, he 0:02:59.560 --> 0:03:01.640 noted that none of the chimneys had smoke coming out 0:03:01.680 --> 0:03:04.040 of them, which is unusual. This is late November and 0:03:04.120 --> 0:03:06.600 so and this is of course, of court kind of 0:03:06.639 --> 0:03:08.760 towards the Arctic circles, so it's going to be really 0:03:08.840 --> 0:03:13.320 really cool out. So he did notice a fire some 0:03:13.480 --> 0:03:15.920 distance away from the village, and so he walked to 0:03:15.960 --> 0:03:18.960 the fire and when he got there and the fire 0:03:19.080 --> 0:03:22.560 was embers, but there was nobody there. So he walked 0:03:22.600 --> 0:03:24.560 back to the village and he started looking in the huts, 0:03:24.639 --> 0:03:27.040 and what he found is that they all looked like 0:03:27.040 --> 0:03:29.120 people have been living in them recently. They all were 0:03:29.160 --> 0:03:32.280 stocked with food and had clothing and other possessions laying around. 0:03:32.800 --> 0:03:36.240 The rifles all the all the villagers rifles were leading 0:03:36.240 --> 0:03:38.880 in the usual spot against the wall near the doorway, 0:03:39.800 --> 0:03:42.760 and but there was nobody there. In any of these huts. 0:03:43.080 --> 0:03:45.960 He found a pot of stew caribou in one, which 0:03:46.160 --> 0:03:48.240 was moldy, apparently had been sitting there for a while. 0:03:48.280 --> 0:03:51.240 He found a half and half mended sealskin coat in 0:03:51.280 --> 0:03:53.800 another that had still had the needle in it. But 0:03:53.880 --> 0:03:55.720 there were there was nobody there, and there was no 0:03:55.800 --> 0:03:58.720 size of violence. Nothing was torn up or anything, but 0:03:58.880 --> 0:04:01.760 the people were all gone. So his next step was 0:04:01.840 --> 0:04:04.480 to circle the upside of the village. He was looking 0:04:04.520 --> 0:04:07.200 for any footprints that would tell him what direction they 0:04:07.200 --> 0:04:09.560 had gone, and if they had all suddenly made a 0:04:09.640 --> 0:04:11.960 mass exodus, he was wondering what direction they had gone. 0:04:12.360 --> 0:04:14.760 He circled the entire perimeter of the village, found nothing, 0:04:15.240 --> 0:04:17.479 so at this point he was getting kind of creeped out, 0:04:17.560 --> 0:04:20.120 so he decided to head off too. Apparently there was 0:04:20.160 --> 0:04:22.760 a telegraph office about twenty five miles away, So he 0:04:22.800 --> 0:04:26.039 decided to head to this telegraph office and get a 0:04:26.080 --> 0:04:28.560 message off to the Mounties and get them in there 0:04:28.960 --> 0:04:34.680 to investigate this mysterious disappearance. Uh and some telling they 0:04:34.839 --> 0:04:37.440 arrived there several hours later, and some tellings they arrived 0:04:37.480 --> 0:04:40.400 like the next day. All that sounds a little fantastic 0:04:40.400 --> 0:04:42.640 to me because this place was hundreds of miles away 0:04:42.640 --> 0:04:47.039 from anywhere and so but eventually, but eventually, the Mounties arrived. 0:04:47.279 --> 0:04:50.880 So they meet up with Mr. LaBelle, and then they 0:04:50.920 --> 0:04:54.280 started heading back to Anticony, and on their way they 0:04:54.360 --> 0:04:57.440 encounter a trapper named armand Laurent and his two sons 0:04:57.760 --> 0:05:00.520 who lived in a shanty somewhere in the way of obviously, 0:05:00.680 --> 0:05:02.600 and they asked them if they had seen anything out 0:05:02.640 --> 0:05:04.960 of the ordinary. They said that they had seen a 0:05:05.040 --> 0:05:08.400 gleaming object in the sky a few days before. Laurent 0:05:08.560 --> 0:05:11.160 said that the object changed its shape and that it 0:05:11.240 --> 0:05:14.920 was flying in the general direction of Lake Anjocuney. So 0:05:15.560 --> 0:05:19.880 the Mountains continued to Anjocuny and found it was still empty. 0:05:20.080 --> 0:05:22.520 They were searching the village and they discovered that the 0:05:22.560 --> 0:05:25.520 village burial ground had been plundered. All of the graves 0:05:25.560 --> 0:05:28.560 have been opened and the bodies have been removed um 0:05:28.600 --> 0:05:31.039 and other accounts only one grave had been opened with 0:05:31.080 --> 0:05:34.520 the body removed, and some accounts say the marker stones 0:05:34.560 --> 0:05:37.040 for the graves were stacked into two neat piles on 0:05:37.040 --> 0:05:39.679 either sides of the graves. They also discovered some sled 0:05:39.720 --> 0:05:43.120 dogs about three feet from the village. Some accounts say 0:05:43.160 --> 0:05:45.719 two to three sled dogs and sub stay seven. But 0:05:45.800 --> 0:05:47.960 they apparently had starved at death, and in one account 0:05:47.960 --> 0:05:50.640 they were they were tied to some scrubby trees. And 0:05:50.680 --> 0:05:52.200 I don't know how much how much they having away 0:05:52.200 --> 0:05:54.200 of scrubby trees up there, because again this is kind 0:05:54.200 --> 0:05:55.760 of like in the Arctic, and it's up of the 0:05:55.800 --> 0:05:58.200 tree line, so there might not have been a tree 0:05:58.200 --> 0:06:03.040 around for miles. And lastly, they reported seeing bluish lights 0:06:03.400 --> 0:06:06.440 on the horizon in the twilight. There were, and of 0:06:06.480 --> 0:06:08.440 course obviously these people were used to living in the 0:06:08.440 --> 0:06:10.240 frozen waste lands of the North, and then you know, 0:06:10.320 --> 0:06:12.880 they know what the Aurora borealis looks like, So wasn't 0:06:12.920 --> 0:06:15.599 that Yeah, so it wasn't the Aurora borealis. It was 0:06:15.640 --> 0:06:20.680 blue blinking lights which eventually disappeared. They found some berries 0:06:20.720 --> 0:06:23.359 in a cooking pot, and based on the growing season 0:06:23.440 --> 0:06:25.800 for these berries, et cetera, in the state of deterioration 0:06:25.839 --> 0:06:28.800 of the berries, they concluded that the Innuits have been 0:06:28.839 --> 0:06:33.160 gone for two months or longer. So we've got a 0:06:33.240 --> 0:06:37.359 completely deserted village. Deserted village. We don't know, we don't know, 0:06:37.440 --> 0:06:39.040 we don't know what happened to these people. Yeah, but 0:06:39.120 --> 0:06:42.719 they didn't just show up, you know, twenty miles away 0:06:42.920 --> 0:06:45.680 or anything like that. You just disappeared. They just disappeared. 0:06:45.920 --> 0:06:49.720 This isn't like that the Roanoke Island story right where 0:06:50.240 --> 0:06:54.520 it's like, oh, all of these people disappeared, but all 0:06:54.520 --> 0:06:59.279 of a sudden there's blonde haired, blue eyed Indian. How 0:06:59.400 --> 0:07:03.560 weird like that, We're saying they've just disappeared on They 0:07:03.640 --> 0:07:08.960 just they apparently just disappeared. Nobody moving forward. This is uh, 0:07:09.240 --> 0:07:11.160 we've talked about these sorts of things before. This is 0:07:11.160 --> 0:07:13.360 a tale that's kind of grown in the telling. Ye. 0:07:13.520 --> 0:07:16.800 So yeah, it's all it's been around since nineteen thirty 0:07:16.800 --> 0:07:20.120 when the original story was published. I remember this one 0:07:20.160 --> 0:07:25.440 has inflated. Oh, it's mass massively inflated. Massively inflated. For example, 0:07:25.800 --> 0:07:28.520 the part about the Mounties running into that trapper named 0:07:28.600 --> 0:07:31.520 armand lorent And who purported seeing a Ufo headed towards 0:07:31.720 --> 0:07:35.760 Lake Antikuti. Apparently that that that part of the story 0:07:35.760 --> 0:07:38.800 appeared in three somebody wrote a book called The World's 0:07:38.840 --> 0:07:42.360 Great Ufo Mysteries, and they just sort of tacked on 0:07:42.440 --> 0:07:46.160 that part of the story the well, not the blue 0:07:46.200 --> 0:07:48.440 Lights part, but the part about running into this trapper 0:07:48.520 --> 0:07:51.640 named armand lorent And and damn him saying that he'd 0:07:51.680 --> 0:07:56.560 seen a Ufo okay into the trap. No, apparently not 0:07:56.600 --> 0:08:00.920 before three. So so yeah, so they so the other things, 0:08:01.200 --> 0:08:04.280 the other embellishments have been put in, and and just 0:08:04.360 --> 0:08:06.080 for for the sake of our listeners, I'm going to 0:08:06.120 --> 0:08:07.880 go back to the original story, but first I want 0:08:07.920 --> 0:08:09.400 to go through some of the later stories because they're 0:08:09.440 --> 0:08:11.600 kind of fun. In another version of the story, there 0:08:11.640 --> 0:08:15.360 were two thousand people in the village who managed that's 0:08:15.480 --> 0:08:20.600 that's a big village. Yeah, that's a pretty big city. Yeah. 0:08:20.880 --> 0:08:23.720 In in this in this retelling, the village had a 0:08:23.760 --> 0:08:25.920 population of oh this is you got another one had 0:08:25.960 --> 0:08:29.520 a population of up to It had a Catholic church, 0:08:29.600 --> 0:08:32.439 a local watering Holy I e. Bar and it had 0:08:32.679 --> 0:08:35.160 docks with kayaks tied up to them. As in the 0:08:35.200 --> 0:08:38.400 other versions, most of the has had possessions, including rifles 0:08:38.520 --> 0:08:41.360 left behind in them. Yeah. The rifles are the interesting part, 0:08:41.440 --> 0:08:44.640 right because I can kind of explain it away to 0:08:44.720 --> 0:08:46.480 go to into theories. Yeah, but you can kind of 0:08:46.520 --> 0:08:49.440 explain stories like this way, like, oh, they just left, 0:08:49.600 --> 0:08:52.040 and they all left for like some mysterious reason. But 0:08:52.040 --> 0:08:53.760 if you're going to wander into the Arctic, you wander 0:08:53.840 --> 0:08:58.720 with your rifles, right, They're kind of are critters out there. Yeah, 0:09:00.280 --> 0:09:02.400 so that's yeah, I'm glad to see that at least 0:09:02.400 --> 0:09:05.840 that persists. Yeah. Yeah. So so there's all these rifles 0:09:05.880 --> 0:09:08.480 left behind, which is inexplicable they left their kayaks behind. 0:09:08.600 --> 0:09:13.520 So uh So, anyway, our our friend the trapper joe 0:09:13.600 --> 0:09:15.880 Leabelle went to this watering hole. He came to the 0:09:15.960 --> 0:09:18.920 village it found it mysteriously empty. So he went to 0:09:19.040 --> 0:09:22.240 the local watering hole, which was on the outskirts of 0:09:22.280 --> 0:09:24.280 the village. It's kind of a cafe, or it was 0:09:24.320 --> 0:09:27.240 kind of a cafe bar and it was called the 0:09:27.280 --> 0:09:30.599 mac Shack. So this is in the over Zealous This 0:09:31.240 --> 0:09:34.400 is in later retelling of the story. Yeah, so he 0:09:34.480 --> 0:09:36.839 goes to the mac Shack, which is named for its owner, 0:09:36.840 --> 0:09:40.480 fran mackenzie. He found it empty, but mackenzie McKenzie had 0:09:40.480 --> 0:09:44.640 been had been crippled in while serving in the military, 0:09:44.720 --> 0:09:47.559 so he used to crutch that He found the place empty, 0:09:47.600 --> 0:09:50.560 but mc mackenzie's crutch was in pieces on the floor, 0:09:50.679 --> 0:09:53.680 which he found kind of disconcerting. And then he looks 0:09:53.679 --> 0:09:56.559 to a window and he notices a bonfire about four 0:09:56.960 --> 0:10:01.080 yards away, so he heads that way. But when he 0:10:01.120 --> 0:10:04.760 gets there, there's no one there. There's a stew apparently 0:10:04.760 --> 0:10:08.160 of seal, a seal stew, seal meat cooking in a pot, 0:10:08.320 --> 0:10:10.440 and so a few but a few artifacts and possessions 0:10:10.480 --> 0:10:12.880 were laying about, but there were no people. Um, he 0:10:13.000 --> 0:10:15.040 left at that time because he was sloroughly creeped out, 0:10:15.120 --> 0:10:16.400 and went to it to that I went to that 0:10:16.440 --> 0:10:21.120 same telegraph office twenty five miles away. The Royal Canadian 0:10:21.160 --> 0:10:24.800 Mounted Police arrived. Some say the next day, and uh, 0:10:25.160 --> 0:10:27.880 some people say longer. I'm guessing longer really in real life, 0:10:28.160 --> 0:10:30.080 really in real life, but of course this isn't really 0:10:30.120 --> 0:10:36.880 real life. So people, yeah, yeah, I think the I 0:10:36.920 --> 0:10:40.120 think the population of the entire province is about today, 0:10:40.320 --> 0:10:43.600 about fifteen or twenty thousand people and that thirty I'm 0:10:43.600 --> 0:10:46.880 sure it was a lot less. Yeah, it's a pretty 0:10:46.880 --> 0:10:51.240 empty place in this fantasy full version. Well, so anyway, 0:10:51.320 --> 0:10:54.760 the mystery deepens. When they got there, they found Mackenzie's 0:10:54.800 --> 0:10:58.040 diary in his bedroom. So in the entry previous to 0:10:58.040 --> 0:11:01.760 the day that LaBelle arrived, he wrote that strange blue 0:11:01.840 --> 0:11:04.240 lights had been appearing in the night sky for several 0:11:04.320 --> 0:11:07.560 days before. So that's true. Then, of course that means 0:11:07.559 --> 0:11:10.360 he was there just the day before LaBelle arrived in 0:11:10.440 --> 0:11:15.920 the village. So yeah, a real sudden exodus of these people. Here. 0:11:16.080 --> 0:11:20.360 Here's a really another really creepy part nearby. Outside, they 0:11:20.400 --> 0:11:23.160 found Mackenzie's dog, which was a husky, a female husky. 0:11:23.760 --> 0:11:27.680 The dog was dead. Somebody addressed the dog in women's clothing, 0:11:27.800 --> 0:11:30.240 including underwear. Some we're actually taking the trouble to put 0:11:30.280 --> 0:11:33.240 women's underwear on this dog, draped the dress over it 0:11:33.480 --> 0:11:37.320 and put lipstick on its lips, pierced it's ears, although 0:11:37.320 --> 0:11:39.920 they didn't apparently get around to putting ear rings, and 0:11:39.920 --> 0:11:42.800 and forced a wedding ring onto her left paw. Apparently 0:11:42.840 --> 0:11:45.319 did some damage to the paw while forcing this wedding 0:11:45.360 --> 0:11:49.240 ring on you are you are pulling my leg. I 0:11:49.280 --> 0:11:51.360 am not pulling a leg. This is actually out there. 0:11:52.000 --> 0:11:57.040 This is actually no, that's not like the cheap of Cobra. 0:11:57.120 --> 0:12:01.200 I'm not making this not just just a messenger here, 0:12:01.240 --> 0:12:04.000 I'm just passing it along. Okay. So, as I said 0:12:04.000 --> 0:12:07.000 before this, the village had a Catholic church. Um it 0:12:07.160 --> 0:12:09.960 was trashed and smashed up and had been heavily graffiti. 0:12:10.920 --> 0:12:15.920 The graffiti referenced Unitarian Universalist church symbols, which I think 0:12:16.040 --> 0:12:19.800 is kind of bizarre. We've been grown up in the 0:12:19.880 --> 0:12:28.760 Unitarian Church, yeah, I tell you, yeah, what y facing 0:12:28.800 --> 0:12:33.080 other churches is not something that typically happened, especially especially 0:12:33.120 --> 0:12:35.840 the Unitarians. The Unitarians are all about all about the 0:12:35.840 --> 0:12:38.360 fact that they don't really believe in anything, and so 0:12:38.600 --> 0:12:40.800 that's a that's a that's a big centerpiece of the 0:12:40.880 --> 0:12:45.840 Unitarians believe. They come together in the belief that there 0:12:45.920 --> 0:12:49.000 might be something, but there might not. But it's good 0:12:49.000 --> 0:12:52.400 for adults to come together and talk about how to 0:12:52.480 --> 0:12:54.679 live a good life even if there is a God, 0:12:54.720 --> 0:12:57.679 but maybe there isn't. But I do think that's one 0:12:57.679 --> 0:12:59.720 of the intriguing things about this particular part of the 0:12:59.720 --> 0:13:01.760 story though, is that, you know, yeah, they don't seem 0:13:01.800 --> 0:13:03.839 to have very much hate for the Catholic Church. I mean, 0:13:04.120 --> 0:13:06.760 there are definitely some religions you could be like, Okay, 0:13:06.920 --> 0:13:08.920 I guess I could see there's like a feud there 0:13:08.960 --> 0:13:13.559 or something. Yeah, yeah, I mean but that typically maybe 0:13:13.559 --> 0:13:15.120 this is maybe this is not made up at all, 0:13:15.160 --> 0:13:19.079 because typically if he makes up up, it's Satanic symbols, right, yeah, 0:13:19.080 --> 0:13:22.360 that would be what you would expect. Yeah, I don't know. So, yeah, 0:13:22.440 --> 0:13:25.440 maybe the person that that actually made this up, and 0:13:25.480 --> 0:13:27.240 I'm not saying it's made up, of course, but maybe 0:13:27.240 --> 0:13:29.600 the person who made this up didn't understand what the 0:13:29.679 --> 0:13:31.360 Unitarian Church is all about, and they thought they were 0:13:31.360 --> 0:13:34.600 Satanic or something like that. I don't know. Yeah. Anyway, 0:13:34.640 --> 0:13:36.600 So at the Catholic church, which of course, as we said, 0:13:36.679 --> 0:13:38.800 was trashed and covered with the Kramiti, there was also 0:13:38.840 --> 0:13:42.120 a graveyard. Graves had all been opened and the bodies 0:13:42.120 --> 0:13:45.640 have been removed except for one. This was the grave 0:13:45.720 --> 0:13:50.120 of a guy named Punkylos Yeah, yeah, something like that. 0:13:50.480 --> 0:13:53.280 He was He was a tribal leader who had founded 0:13:53.280 --> 0:13:56.800 the village years back, and his grave was undisturbed, but 0:13:56.960 --> 0:13:59.200 the Mountie's found that the grave was warm to the 0:13:59.240 --> 0:14:02.240 touch and no snow on it because the stone melted 0:14:02.280 --> 0:14:06.120 off the grave was warm. The other graves have had 0:14:06.160 --> 0:14:08.800 trash thrown in them. Okay, So anyway, that that is 0:14:08.800 --> 0:14:11.520 our telling. Those of the story so far, apparently it's 0:14:11.559 --> 0:14:14.640 been embellished a little bit over the years. Don't like it. 0:14:14.640 --> 0:14:18.120 It's so far the accounts sound like they vary a lot. 0:14:18.280 --> 0:14:22.680 So the facts are very soft on this at this point. Yeah, 0:14:22.720 --> 0:14:24.680 you know. In fact, the you know, I don't know 0:14:24.720 --> 0:14:26.480 if you guys know this, you probably did, But the 0:14:26.520 --> 0:14:28.880 Royal Canadian menta Police um as you know, has a 0:14:28.880 --> 0:14:31.160 website and they've actually got a little page devoted just 0:14:31.240 --> 0:14:34.280 to this little mystery, basically denying that they had no 0:14:34.360 --> 0:14:38.000 involvement in it. There's no record whatsoever of any Mountie's 0:14:38.040 --> 0:14:41.200 ever heading out to this place or ever finding any 0:14:41.240 --> 0:14:43.760 any disappeared eskimos. They say the whole thing is an 0:14:43.840 --> 0:14:46.360 urban legend. And they say, by the way that given 0:14:46.360 --> 0:14:49.600 the topography and the weather of the place, they doubt 0:14:49.680 --> 0:14:52.920 that Lake Anchocuni could in this area could have sustained 0:14:53.280 --> 0:14:56.640 a community of even people. So that's what the mantis 0:14:56.680 --> 0:15:00.720 say yeah, the mountis Yeah, the Mattieves denied it very strongly. 0:15:02.840 --> 0:15:05.000 It stinks of a cover up, doesn't it. Well, I 0:15:05.040 --> 0:15:08.280 was just gonna say, actually that like this, this is 0:15:08.320 --> 0:15:10.520 just like exactly the kind of story that like, there's 0:15:10.560 --> 0:15:13.160 no reason for them to deny any kind of involvement, right, 0:15:13.160 --> 0:15:17.440 I mean, it's not like there's like some renegade submarine 0:15:17.720 --> 0:15:20.200 like or maybe there is, I don't know. It doesn't 0:15:20.240 --> 0:15:22.040 stink of something that you want to cover up. Like 0:15:22.080 --> 0:15:25.560 a lot of stories we talk about, you can say, Okay, 0:15:25.680 --> 0:15:28.800 it would make sense that this government is faking knowledge 0:15:28.800 --> 0:15:31.640 of it, are saying they don't have knowledge of it, 0:15:32.000 --> 0:15:34.360 because that would be something you'd want to cover up. 0:15:35.080 --> 0:15:38.880 This doesn't. Yeah, one of the things like like, for example, 0:15:38.920 --> 0:15:40.680 in this telling of the story where he goes out 0:15:40.680 --> 0:15:43.480 to the bonfire and there's a stew of seal meat 0:15:44.200 --> 0:15:47.200 in a pot. Well, I'm sorry, everybody thinks of any 0:15:47.280 --> 0:15:49.880 eats is as eating seals all the time. But the 0:15:49.880 --> 0:15:51.400 fact of the matter is it's only the ones that 0:15:51.480 --> 0:15:53.560 live by the ocean get to eat the seals. These 0:15:53.600 --> 0:15:56.680 guys seals are Yeah, the nearest source of seals for 0:15:56.720 --> 0:15:59.440 these people was two hundred miles away and Hudson Bay, 0:15:59.720 --> 0:16:01.680 and so it's not too likely they would track two 0:16:01.720 --> 0:16:03.680 hundred miles to kill a seal and make some some 0:16:03.720 --> 0:16:05.800 stew up. That's that's that's a long way to go 0:16:05.880 --> 0:16:09.640 for takeout. Yeah, it really is. So where did this 0:16:09.680 --> 0:16:12.640 story originate? I mean, obviously it's been embellished. There are 0:16:12.760 --> 0:16:17.160 places like the UFO History thing that have talked about it. 0:16:17.200 --> 0:16:20.000 But so so where did it originated? Well, that's a 0:16:20.040 --> 0:16:23.920 good question. So the earliest mention of this story was 0:16:24.120 --> 0:16:29.240 from a reporter named Emmett E. Kelleher. His story was 0:16:29.280 --> 0:16:32.120 picked up by a newspaper. This is the only this 0:16:32.240 --> 0:16:34.560 is the only one that we can find. Supposedly, the 0:16:34.640 --> 0:16:38.480 story actually circulated all over Canada. In the US, Emmett 0:16:38.520 --> 0:16:42.160 Callaher worked for a organization called the NIA, which was 0:16:42.640 --> 0:16:47.840 what stood for the Newspaper Enterprise Association. So the NIA 0:16:48.200 --> 0:16:50.720 was a news distribution network. It was kind of like 0:16:50.840 --> 0:16:55.440 the APS today, has strangers all over the place. I've 0:16:55.440 --> 0:16:58.000 actually done a little research on on Kellagher and I 0:16:58.040 --> 0:17:00.160 can't I don't know if he actually worked for any 0:17:00.160 --> 0:17:02.760 actual newspaper, if he was just a stringer for the NA. 0:17:03.200 --> 0:17:05.760 So it's it's hard to say. There's very sketchy information 0:17:05.800 --> 0:17:07.840 on this guy, but we'll talk about him in a 0:17:07.880 --> 0:17:10.600 little bit. So he published a story soon the na 0:17:10.680 --> 0:17:14.560 which was picked up by apparently supposedly a lot of newspapers, 0:17:14.600 --> 0:17:18.320 but the only, the only actual archived version anybody can find, 0:17:18.480 --> 0:17:22.800 appeared in a Virginia newspaper town of Danville. The paper 0:17:22.880 --> 0:17:25.840 is called the Danville b and this story was published 0:17:25.880 --> 0:17:30.720 in November, November seven. That would be a real quick 0:17:30.760 --> 0:17:34.240 turn around, Yeah, exactly. Yeah, And if you read the story, 0:17:34.280 --> 0:17:36.960 I'll get him that in a moment or two. Obviously 0:17:37.040 --> 0:17:39.960 this happened, not, this incident did not happen in November 0:17:40.040 --> 0:17:42.640 nineteen thirty. That's you know, there's a little confusion there. 0:17:42.720 --> 0:17:46.080 That happened long before that months at least. So in 0:17:46.160 --> 0:17:50.199 this version, which I have a copy of, um, he 0:17:50.520 --> 0:17:53.680 arrived by kayak over the lake instead of walking as 0:17:53.720 --> 0:17:56.320 in the other stories. There were no docks to tie 0:17:56.400 --> 0:17:58.480 up to. He just pulled his kayak up on the beach. 0:17:58.760 --> 0:18:00.919 He got there, not in the We're probably about mid 0:18:01.000 --> 0:18:04.000 day or early afternoon. The village had no huts. It 0:18:04.119 --> 0:18:07.600 was six tents made of carib hides. And when he 0:18:07.640 --> 0:18:09.840 walked towards the village. He was calling out to them 0:18:09.840 --> 0:18:13.000 because he didn't want to arouse suspicion. Nobody replied, but 0:18:13.080 --> 0:18:16.679 two dogs came out to very almost nearly dead from starvation. 0:18:16.760 --> 0:18:20.120 Dogs came out of the village, and he noticed there 0:18:20.119 --> 0:18:23.160 were seven other dogs lying nearby who were start to death. 0:18:23.760 --> 0:18:27.880 Um so he went to the village and the village 0:18:28.040 --> 0:18:30.880 was deserted, and he was at this point a little 0:18:30.880 --> 0:18:33.280 creeped out, and he wants to look at one of 0:18:33.320 --> 0:18:34.919 the tents, and he was afraid he might find a 0:18:34.960 --> 0:18:37.919 corpse in there, but luckily there wasn't one. But he 0:18:38.000 --> 0:18:40.879 looks in there and he pokes around. He sees possessions 0:18:41.040 --> 0:18:43.000 in the tent. There's a parking laying on the on 0:18:43.040 --> 0:18:46.000 the ground, and he picks the tarp up, the park up, 0:18:46.480 --> 0:18:48.840 and he finds a rifle underneath it, and the rifle 0:18:48.880 --> 0:18:52.080 had been rusted from laying there for a while. He 0:18:52.160 --> 0:18:54.760 went to the other tents, and in another tent he 0:18:54.760 --> 0:18:57.159 found some fox hides. When he moved those aside, there 0:18:57.240 --> 0:19:00.159 was another rifle, also rusty, and those were the only 0:19:00.200 --> 0:19:02.639 two rifles he found. He had. His guest was that 0:19:02.760 --> 0:19:05.800 there had been more or less twenty five people living there, 0:19:06.520 --> 0:19:09.520 and he estimated that they had been gone for perhaps 0:19:09.560 --> 0:19:12.240 as long as twelve months based on the amount of 0:19:12.320 --> 0:19:16.400 rifle rifle rust. In this story, he didn't know people 0:19:16.400 --> 0:19:19.480 of the village, Yeah, exactly, there's no in this account, 0:19:19.480 --> 0:19:21.479 he had had no relationship with these people. He just 0:19:21.600 --> 0:19:23.760 was paddled along, saw a village, went up to it 0:19:24.119 --> 0:19:26.840 and it found it deserted, and found a couple of 0:19:26.920 --> 0:19:29.120 rusty rifles in there, along with some other odds and ends. 0:19:30.400 --> 0:19:33.439 So he walked down to the lake and discovered what 0:19:33.560 --> 0:19:36.880 he believed was an Eskimo grave. The grave was a karen. 0:19:36.960 --> 0:19:38.440 You know what a karen is, just like a pile 0:19:38.480 --> 0:19:41.400 of stones based on Yeah, and so it had been 0:19:41.760 --> 0:19:44.320 if it had been a grave, and he apparently believed 0:19:44.359 --> 0:19:46.120 that it was a grave, that it had been exsumed. 0:19:46.160 --> 0:19:48.560 Somebody pulled the stones and stacked him on the side 0:19:48.640 --> 0:19:51.480 and on one side, and then the body was gone. 0:19:51.920 --> 0:19:55.440 So he thought that that was kind of puzzling and inexplicable. Yeah, 0:19:55.440 --> 0:19:59.480 that's a little weird. And so in his account, he 0:20:00.080 --> 0:20:02.560 around for a while. He fished, caught some fish and 0:20:02.560 --> 0:20:05.639 gave them to the dogs who obviously needed them, and 0:20:05.680 --> 0:20:08.119 then after that he left because he didn't want to 0:20:08.119 --> 0:20:10.400 be there after dark, because obviously he was a little 0:20:10.400 --> 0:20:12.879 creeped out by the whole thing. But he went on 0:20:13.000 --> 0:20:15.240 his way. He didn't he did not go to a 0:20:15.280 --> 0:20:17.960 telegraph office. And at this point, let me stay there. 0:20:18.000 --> 0:20:21.200 There was no telegraph office within miles of this place. 0:20:21.720 --> 0:20:24.120 I was, I was checking out a map of the area. 0:20:24.160 --> 0:20:26.520 And even today, there were no settlements within a hundred 0:20:26.560 --> 0:20:29.000 two hundred miles of this place. I mean, so there 0:20:29.040 --> 0:20:32.600 wouldn't have been a yah, it's really remote. So there 0:20:32.640 --> 0:20:35.000 would not have been a telegraph office within twenty five 0:20:35.040 --> 0:20:37.160 miles of this place. So he didn't high he didn't 0:20:37.200 --> 0:20:39.880 high tail it to a telegraph office. He just went 0:20:39.880 --> 0:20:42.560 on about his business of being a trapper. According to 0:20:42.760 --> 0:20:47.560 the news article, during the season, quote unquote, he visited 0:20:47.760 --> 0:20:50.720 at least a dozen enemy camps, and in those he 0:20:50.800 --> 0:20:53.080 inquired about the village of the Dams and so I'd 0:20:53.080 --> 0:20:56.359 like to call it. And he told them the story, 0:20:56.480 --> 0:20:59.160 and they were all they all claimed to know nothing 0:20:59.200 --> 0:21:04.080 about it. They assumed that it was Corno Suk. And 0:21:04.119 --> 0:21:07.240 I'm not pronouncing that correctly, I'm sure, but Durnarsuk is 0:21:07.280 --> 0:21:10.600 a is an Eskimo legend. He's an evil sky spirit 0:21:10.840 --> 0:21:13.080 and he actually is a commander of a legion of 0:21:13.119 --> 0:21:16.399