1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:04,000 Speaker 1: Rot rot rot rot rot rot rot rot rot rot 2 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:07,360 Speaker 1: rot rot rot rot rot and a thing about self 3 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:09,880 Speaker 1: driving cars in the One thing to keep in mind 4 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:12,959 Speaker 1: that we have to respect the air Force. The you know, 5 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:18,119 Speaker 1: the military grounds their airplanes under certain operating conditions. Not 6 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:21,560 Speaker 1: everything can drive or fly in all kinds of weather. 7 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 1: It's impossible. The Car Doctor. I think self driving cars 8 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:40,960 Speaker 1: are going to have their limits, and that's what nobody 9 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 1: is expecting. Everybody thinks, Hey, we're gonna plug your computer 10 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 1: in it. It's gonna work. It's gonna do everything we 11 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 1: wanted to do until it doesn't. Welcome to the radio 12 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:51,840 Speaker 1: home of Ron and an Ian the Car Doctor. Since 13 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 1: this is where car owners the world overturned to for 14 00:00:56,440 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 1: their definitive opinion on automotive repair. If you're achanics giving 15 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:04,039 Speaker 1: you a busy signal, pick up the phone and call in. 16 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:06,679 Speaker 1: The garage doors are open, but I am here to 17 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:10,400 Speaker 1: take your calls at eight five five six and now 18 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 1: he running. Hey, it's time to start your engines and 19 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 1: how long? And welcome on any of the car Doctor 20 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:22,280 Speaker 1: here at a five five zero zero. It's great to 21 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 1: be here once again. I look forward to this each 22 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:27,399 Speaker 1: and every week and I'm glad to have you among 23 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 1: my audience today, whoever you are, and um as we 24 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:32,040 Speaker 1: get together and celebrate because today's the day we get 25 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 1: to talk about fixing cars. You know, fixing cars is 26 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 1: is Sometimes I think I got the best job in 27 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 1: the world. I get to go in and and and 28 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:44,559 Speaker 1: see what's going on. And I was thinking, in particular 29 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 1: this week, how crazy it is the things that I 30 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 1: work on. All right. For example, you know, this week 31 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 1: I worked on everything from a twenty fourteen Chrisler product 32 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 1: that had a hard start problem because of a BCM 33 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 1: issue all the way down to the middle of the 34 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 1: week was a two thousand three Ford Ranger. Can you 35 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 1: say carpenter Bob's truck that let the timing chain go 36 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 1: out two dty eight thousand miles and Bob's looking for 37 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:16,360 Speaker 1: a vehicle now to a last job of the week 38 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 1: was a nineteen eight Lincoln town Car that we are 39 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:26,960 Speaker 1: replacing the steering system for shocks and half of the 40 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 1: front exhaust system. And I look at the variety of 41 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 1: of what it is I get to do, and I, 42 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 1: you know, it just boggles my mind. You know, it's 43 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:42,679 Speaker 1: it's just so very different kinds of repairs, and I 44 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 1: think that's part of what's so hard for people today 45 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 1: to understand. It's difficult enough for mechanics to deal with 46 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 1: and work on the car, and then the average consumer, 47 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 1: you know, thinks they know and you just wonder what 48 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 1: sort of misinformation is going on. That's that's why I 49 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 1: like being here because I'm trying to be that that 50 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 1: that in between to explain what's going on, so that 51 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 1: you know, have an oath, no only think what years 52 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 1: at jeep We have an oh five jeep Liberty, right 53 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 1: and oh five jeep Liberty got told And that was 54 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 1: another car this week that the description was when you 55 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 1: turn the key, it just goes click. Of course, it 56 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:27,640 Speaker 1: started when it got in for us, and the vehicle 57 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 1: about a year and a half ago, had had some 58 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 1: big money put into it. We went through it at 59 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 1: the customer's request because they were the one son had 60 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 1: gotten rid of it and gave it to his brother 61 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 1: to give to her daughter, his daughter um to use 62 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 1: in high school and they got a year and a 63 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 1: half out of it, put about four and a half 64 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 1: five grand in it, and now it needs to start. 65 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 1: It were just what we I ended up diagnosing it 66 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 1: to be it's I finally got it down to the 67 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 1: point where one day, I think it was Thursday this week, 68 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 1: I turned the key and I got the click. Other 69 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 1: than the rest of the week, it had been that 70 00:03:56,200 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 1: it started all the time. And the issue became, you 71 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 1: know what we've put all this money, and is it 72 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 1: worth spending more money on it? And you know, clearly 73 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 1: not something easily easy to explain, but clearly not something 74 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 1: that people can understand. I think, because the relevance becomes 75 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:18,480 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter how much money you spend two years 76 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 1: ago or a year ago or five years ago. How 77 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:23,159 Speaker 1: much money do you need to spend right here and now? 78 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:26,479 Speaker 1: And that's what's so important. And and the problem is 79 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 1: the price of that starter on the vehicle today, that 80 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 1: two thousand and five or the Chrysler or the two 81 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:39,279 Speaker 1: thousand three Ford Ranger or the Lincoln town Car. The 82 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 1: variety of technology that's there is going to predicate and 83 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 1: dictate how much that price is gonna before that start. 84 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:48,600 Speaker 1: And I wonder if you guys are ready for that. 85 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 1: And it really made me think about the variety of technology. 86 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 1: I know how much that variety we've got in order 87 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 1: repair It's like walking into a bagel store. There's so 88 00:04:57,040 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 1: many choices, um, you know, but are you ready for it? 89 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 1: And you know, are you comparing? And I made me wonder, 90 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 1: are you comparing the starter replacement on that two thousand 91 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 1: five jeep? If I told you Chrysler needed a start it, 92 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 1: would you think that it would be roughly the same money? 93 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 1: And would you think that the you know, model and 94 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 1: engines differences aside um because it's the technology in between. 95 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:26,359 Speaker 1: And that's my point. The eighty eight Lincoln town Car 96 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 1: is such a nuts and bolts vehicle, you know. I 97 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:33,919 Speaker 1: I came home Wednesday night. We were having supper and 98 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:35,599 Speaker 1: Susie said, she goes, what happened to your hand? And 99 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 1: I could see it. I had cut the knuckles on 100 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 1: my right hand because I was working on the power 101 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 1: steering pump. And she said, you were working on something old, 102 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:44,359 Speaker 1: weren't you? And I went, yeah, ha'd you know? She 103 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 1: goes because your hands right, you know, listen to the wife. 104 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 1: She said, you know your hands don't get beat up 105 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:51,600 Speaker 1: when you're doing new stuff. She goes, because you're not 106 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:54,920 Speaker 1: doing anything mechanical. You're not. And if you do something mechanical, 107 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:57,839 Speaker 1: it's usually you know, easier to get a part in 108 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 1: one sense because it's newer. She says, the old stuff 109 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 1: tends to beat you up more. And I said, wow, 110 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 1: you know, Threy, seven years of marriage, there's an observation. 111 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:09,800 Speaker 1: I gotta listen to her more. Um Uh, but you 112 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 1: know it's it's it's the truth that the technology really 113 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 1: And boy, let me tell you yesterday we we we 114 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 1: stayed late yesterday. We um actually closed early yesterday because 115 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 1: yesterday was a mental health day. I decreed, um and 116 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 1: I sent Danny Holme. We we left at one o'clock 117 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 1: and um, I went for a write up state New York. 118 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 1: And I'll tell you about that story a little bit 119 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:32,480 Speaker 1: later this hour. Um, but we closed earlier. But the 120 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:34,280 Speaker 1: last job I finished, I was trying. I wanted to 121 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:37,599 Speaker 1: get the steering box lined up in the Lincoln. And 122 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 1: you know, before I left, I wantedly say, okay, the 123 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 1: steering boxes finally together. I had to rebuild the rag coupling, 124 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:44,839 Speaker 1: which you can't get anymore. We had to use a 125 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:47,679 Speaker 1: kit uh to repair it and got that squared away. 126 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 1: And um, just very mechanical, very nuts and bolts that 127 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 1: that that christ there with with with the no start, 128 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:57,280 Speaker 1: that would have been. You know, it won't have that 129 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:00,080 Speaker 1: problem by the time that car has and may me 130 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:03,920 Speaker 1: this is the answer. By the time that Chrysler has 131 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 1: the same mechanical problems as that eighty eight Lincoln town Car, 132 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:10,679 Speaker 1: it'll be in a junkyard because a it won't last 133 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 1: that long and be you know, the mechanical things won't fail. 134 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 1: It'll be electronics. It'll be major component failure that will 135 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 1: drive that car to drink. Where that two thousand five 136 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 1: Jeep with the starter issue, Okay, so it's you know, 137 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 1: it's a couple of seven to put a starter in 138 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 1: that jeep because it's in such a rotten spot and 139 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 1: you know, you you'd like to get a good quality 140 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 1: starter for it. Um. That's sort of be in the 141 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 1: middle of that eight eight Lincoln and Chrysler that that 142 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 1: you know, so these cars were you know, six to 143 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 1: eight repairs. These cars were three thousand dollar repairs and 144 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 1: Chrysler was a two hull repair because it was software. Um. 145 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 1: And and you look at the differences and how it 146 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 1: beats up your hands or not, and you say, look 147 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 1: at the variety of technology and are people able to 148 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 1: understand that? And that's the point of this opening conversation. 149 00:07:57,760 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 1: And that's what I really want you to think about that. 150 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 1: You know, you've got to expect more expensive problems of 151 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 1: one type with that older car, but you can also 152 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 1: should reasonably expect expensive problems with that newer car, with 153 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 1: certain mechanical problems and certain software issues that you won't 154 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 1: have on old cars. I'll tell you what really kind 155 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 1: of fouled me up. I haven't done it in a while, 156 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 1: so that when I did the steering box on the 157 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 1: eight Lincoln UM and if you've ever done a steering box, 158 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 1: you'll get this. I reached for the steering I reached 159 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 1: for the seatbelt to lock the steering wheel straight so 160 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 1: that it wouldn't spend. When I disconnected the coup lane, 161 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 1: that I realized I don't care about that. There's no 162 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:39,559 Speaker 1: clock spring, there's no air bag, there's no I mean, 163 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:41,679 Speaker 1: it can just spin. It's just a wheel on a shift, 164 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 1: Whereas if that was a new car, you have to 165 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:46,440 Speaker 1: lock the steering wheel in the upright position so the 166 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:48,840 Speaker 1: clock spring for the air bag doesn't unwind, which is 167 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:52,560 Speaker 1: the context coil underneath the the air bag system. So 168 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:56,680 Speaker 1: it's you know, different cars, different technology, different problems, different things. 169 00:08:56,679 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 1: And uh ways to go about it. But um, anyway, 170 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 1: that was the week at the r Automotive. Yes, carpenter Bob, 171 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:05,440 Speaker 1: the engine went goodbye, I see you. Um Bob thinks 172 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 1: he's uh, he's jinks now because he came out of 173 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:08,959 Speaker 1: the coffee shop. Real quick story. He came out of 174 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 1: the coffee shop on Tuesday and some guys saw his 175 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:13,560 Speaker 1: old Ford Ranger and he said wow. He goes, you've 176 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:15,200 Speaker 1: got one of those and Bob says yeah, and the 177 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 1: guy goes, you gotta watch it. Those engines blow up 178 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 1: at a hundred and fifty thousand miles and walked in 179 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:21,440 Speaker 1: and got coffee and left. Bob went and got coffee, 180 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 1: came to the shop and on the way to the 181 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:26,439 Speaker 1: shop to check engine light popped on. Where it happened. 182 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 1: Check engine light popped on and it started misfiring, and 183 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 1: he left it with me and I diagnosed that. It 184 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 1: turns out the right side cylinder bank is the four 185 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 1: leader Ford engine, uh, single overhead camp. The right side 186 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:43,439 Speaker 1: of the engine has his compression by comparison to the 187 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 1: left is off by about and on that there's you know, 188 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:49,840 Speaker 1: it's something mechanical. There's only one thing that can be 189 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 1: um all two things. We inspected the cat um top 190 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:56,840 Speaker 1: and bottom, and there's nothing wrong with the catalytic converter. 191 00:09:56,960 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 1: So it's mechanical in the engine. As a matter of fact. Um, 192 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 1: the reason I knew it was mechanical and the engine 193 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 1: also was using the Ford Factory scan tool, I was 194 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 1: able to do an electronic cranking compression test and to 195 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 1: determine at the right side of the motor was off. 196 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 1: So poor Bob needs a motor, which means he needs 197 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 1: a truck. Um at two and fifties two eight thousand miles. Um, yeah, 198 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:21,199 Speaker 1: he got to forty eight out of it, changing his 199 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 1: oil all the time, and uh, you know, but um yeah, 200 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 1: that was the week. So I had to give I 201 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 1: had a carpenter Bob, poor carpenter Bob. I had to 202 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:30,440 Speaker 1: given therapy about no Bob, the guy that said you 203 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:32,319 Speaker 1: needed an engine at one forty and then the engine 204 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 1: blew up. You know, he he wasn't the devil trust me. 205 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 1: Eight five five five six zero nine nine zero zero. 206 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:42,320 Speaker 1: And oh boy, if you saw carpenter Bob, you would 207 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 1: get that. I'm running any of the card doctor, and 208 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:51,599 Speaker 1: I'll be back right after this time. Welcome back. The 209 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 1: Guard Doctor. By the way, Card Doctor show dot Com 210 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:56,679 Speaker 1: is the website. You can get streaming and podcast information 211 00:10:56,760 --> 00:10:58,559 Speaker 1: there as well. On the phone numbers eight five, five, 212 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 1: five six zero nine nine zeros or I need a 213 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 1: quick listener, Paul May, I'll take a poll of the 214 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 1: guys in the control room. Show a hands is upstate 215 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 1: New York? Where does upstate New York begin? Because Tom's 216 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:10,839 Speaker 1: yelling at me during the break, I didn't go upstate 217 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:13,080 Speaker 1: in New York this week? Where where was I? Tony, 218 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:16,440 Speaker 1: wasn't I upstate New York? How can you not say 219 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:18,680 Speaker 1: that going up the thru Way is not heading towards 220 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 1: Upstate New York because that's a bedroom community for New 221 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 1: York City. Get out of here. Upstate is Albany North 222 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 1: and the rest of the state. You know, you're like 223 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:29,440 Speaker 1: those people that say going down the shore is going 224 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 1: up to the shore. No, going down to the No. 225 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 1: They're confused to I'm telling you I went upstate. I 226 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 1: was up in Rheinebeck. I went to Actually, I'll tell 227 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:39,679 Speaker 1: you real quick. You know where I went. I went 228 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 1: to Gardner exhaust Um in Rhinebeck, New York. Now here's 229 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:44,960 Speaker 1: a guy we're gonna twist. We're gonna twist Derek's arm 230 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 1: and get him on the air. Um because Eric Gardner 231 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 1: Gardner exhausted. Rhinebecker, actually I think is Red Hook, New York, 232 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 1: which is next to Rheinbeck is re manufact or manufacturing 233 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:57,200 Speaker 1: and replacement exhaust systems from muscle cars. And it's just 234 00:11:57,240 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 1: amazing what he's doing. I'll talk about that a little 235 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 1: later on, but that's where I went Upstates. So there, 236 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 1: let's get already talk to Kenn and Florence is at Florence, Mississippi. Um, 237 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:09,320 Speaker 1: where is that? Ken? Welcome to the Car Doctor. Where 238 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 1: are you? Hey, hey, Ron, how are you doing? I'm 239 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 1: right in the central part of Mississippi? Okay? Cool beans? 240 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 1: All right? Yeah, they they spelled it as m I, 241 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:20,080 Speaker 1: which um, I guess maybe you know white Mississippi doesn't 242 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:21,680 Speaker 1: fit on the screen. We gotta get a bigger monitor. 243 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 1: So Mississippi on the coast alright, cool beans? What's going on? Well, 244 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:30,840 Speaker 1: first of all, I love the show. You make Mondays 245 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:33,560 Speaker 1: a lot better because I always download the podcast on 246 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:35,560 Speaker 1: Monday and you make me almost want to go to 247 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 1: work on Monday. Well, cool, I'm glad, um, I really 248 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 1: am um. But The problem is I have a two 249 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 1: thousand fide Toyota raft for it's my daughter's car, modeled 250 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 1: about two and a half years ago, had sixty two 251 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 1: thousand miles on it at the time, and probably about 252 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:57,960 Speaker 1: nine or ten months after we bought it and had 253 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 1: maybe ten thousand miles added to it. At the time. 254 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 1: It kind of developed kind of a rattling or a 255 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:07,440 Speaker 1: kind of a buzzy rattle to it whenever you would 256 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 1: first crank it up in the mornings, when you would 257 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 1: first notice it, you know, So as you crank it up, 258 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:13,439 Speaker 1: you hear it buzz just a little bit, rattled a 259 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 1: little bit from the engine compartment, And when she would 260 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:19,080 Speaker 1: back out of the driveway. I'd be out watching her 261 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:20,720 Speaker 1: a lot of timeses and when she put it in 262 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:23,200 Speaker 1: drive to take off, you could hear when she started 263 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:25,560 Speaker 1: to accelerate kind of do the same noise, you know. 264 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 1: So it's more like whenever the first was cranking in 265 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 1: the morning, and when it's under a bid of a load, 266 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 1: you know, like when you're accelerating or even if you're 267 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:35,679 Speaker 1: going down of the road and traffic and you're given 268 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 1: a little gas to pass or whatever, you would notice it. 269 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:41,680 Speaker 1: Then but just constant speed. You don't really hear anything. 270 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 1: Um So when I first heard, I was thinking, well, 271 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 1: maybe it's like a timing chain god or something to 272 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 1: that effect, because it does sound like it's coming from 273 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:54,200 Speaker 1: right around the timing chain area on that side of 274 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:57,320 Speaker 1: the engine. And and then you know it's went on 275 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:00,079 Speaker 1: and and and it's got about nineties three thou and 276 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 1: on it now, I think. And it really hasn't changed 277 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 1: much as far as as it is. It louder doesn't 278 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 1: do it more. It's been consistent the whole time. You know. 279 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:11,319 Speaker 1: But she's going to go to college next year, and 280 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 1: I I really don't want to just leave the wads 281 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 1: out there. Yeah, you're trying to diagnose it a little 282 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 1: bit better, and I've been reading and trying to see 283 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 1: what else it could be. And you know, some something 284 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 1: you say, well, maybe it's a variable valve timing that's 285 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 1: an activator, and then sometimes you read the stuff well 286 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 1: maybe it's the camshaft gear itself. Um So I'm trying 287 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 1: to just's your opinion. If he was like putting bets 288 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 1: on it, what was more likely of those items that 289 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 1: it could be, Well, you know, and then the other 290 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 1: the other one f sarc. I've also seen it the 291 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 1: the alternator or the water pump um. I've also I've 292 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 1: also seen the timing belt tensioner cause a rattle. So 293 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 1: you know step one is what we what we usually 294 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:01,240 Speaker 1: what we'll do, or what we usually tell people to do, 295 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 1: is take the syrup belt off, take the drive belt 296 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 1: off and started. Is the noise gone or not? Now 297 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 1: you know the problem is going to be And maybe 298 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 1: I've misheard. Is it that the condition is there all 299 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:15,920 Speaker 1: the time now, or it's only they're cold when you 300 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 1: first started. No, it's it's not only when it's cold, 301 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 1: it's when even when it's warmed up. If you're accelerate, 302 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 1: you know, it's like if you're at a stop at 303 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 1: a track light and you to take off that first. 304 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 1: You know, up to five ten miles an hour, you 305 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 1: can hear that rattling a book, you know, and then 306 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 1: once you kind of level out the speed and let 307 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 1: off the gas and it's not under the load, then 308 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 1: you don't hear anything. So you know this is gonna 309 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:45,400 Speaker 1: be pulled the syrup belt off, started up, rev it up. 310 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 1: Is the noise is gone? It's as simple as that. 311 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 1: If the noise is gone, then we know it's not 312 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 1: timing chain because obviously the chain and all the cam 313 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 1: gears and the actuator everything is still there. If if, if, 314 00:15:56,520 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 1: it's gonna be something else, And then we've got to 315 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 1: figure out by turning police, turning waltonator, turning water pump, 316 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 1: maybe putting the belt back on, listening with a mechanic stethoscope, 317 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 1: trying to pin down where the noise is. You know, 318 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 1: at least we've got a reference that it's outside of 319 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 1: the engine, so to speak, and we can start to 320 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:17,440 Speaker 1: look at those things. If the noise. I throw this 321 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 1: out at you back. You know, a year or so ago, 322 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 1: when I was first thinking about doing something about it, 323 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 1: it looked like the the Serpent team belt was a 324 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:28,800 Speaker 1: little bit slack on it, you know, so I thought, well, 325 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 1: maybe that was it at first, So I did go 326 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 1: ahead and change out the tensioner on it, and and 327 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 1: it was needing to be changed. But why while I 328 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 1: had it off, I did tell it what you're talking about, 329 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 1: and the other part was still there. Now when I 330 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 1: put the new tension there on the Serpent team belt, 331 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 1: it did help that part out. We got a lot 332 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 1: of the vibration part out of that that you could see, 333 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 1: you know, but the bigger or the main part, which 334 00:16:57,080 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 1: evidently is deeper into it, was still there, still there. 335 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 1: So chances chances are it's it's it's chain or actuate 336 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:08,080 Speaker 1: or related. Uh, you know, but let's just let's just 337 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:10,320 Speaker 1: try the step just for the formality of it, when 338 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 1: you're ready to take it apart, and then it'll probably 339 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 1: be yeah, the noise is still there, and then at 340 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 1: least you know, with clear conscious because you know, to 341 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 1: divide it up. And here's here's the other side of this. 342 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 1: These the four cylinder Toyotas like this do have a 343 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 1: a real issue with timing chain, all right. They've they've 344 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:30,679 Speaker 1: got some chain issues, they've got some actuator issues, and 345 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:33,720 Speaker 1: Toyota actually recommends replacing it as a set. They're gonna 346 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:35,399 Speaker 1: tell you to do, you know, to tell you to 347 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:38,679 Speaker 1: do chain, tell you to do actuator. Um you know, 348 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 1: as a as a group um. Uh, you know, as 349 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 1: a as as as separate pieces. Um. So you know, 350 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:49,680 Speaker 1: it's once you determine its chain, that's kind of where 351 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:50,879 Speaker 1: you're gonna tell you what, ken, I don't want to 352 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:52,399 Speaker 1: rush you, stay on the line, we pull over and 353 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 1: take the pause. We'll come back and finish up. I'm 354 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:56,240 Speaker 1: running eating the car doctor will be back right after this. 355 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 1: I got time right on the wall, so you don't 356 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:20,360 Speaker 1: forget to call for a car advice. Done right? Eight 357 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:25,960 Speaker 1: five five five zero zero zero. Now back to Ron. Hey, 358 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:29,439 Speaker 1: can you still there? Sir? I am Ron, So I 359 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 1: know you've got questions. Um, why don't you ask them? 360 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:34,680 Speaker 1: Because I think you know what my answers are gonna be? 361 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:37,679 Speaker 1: But good ahead, all right, Well, I guess let me 362 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:40,200 Speaker 1: ask this real quick. As far as the the v 363 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:43,640 Speaker 1: d T splenoid part of the equation, you know, I've 364 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:46,119 Speaker 1: heard some people say that that can get sludged up 365 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 1: and that can create the issue. Do you think that 366 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:50,720 Speaker 1: might be a good first step. Since it's on the 367 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:55,480 Speaker 1: outside of the engine basically and halfway easy access, maybe 368 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:58,199 Speaker 1: just go ahead and pull it out and take a 369 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:01,040 Speaker 1: look at it and and and if it looks clean, 370 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 1: maybe put a little voltage to it also, just to 371 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:07,760 Speaker 1: make sure that it's engaging and disengaging like it should. Well, 372 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:11,399 Speaker 1: if it wasn't engaging and disengaging, if it wasn't operating 373 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 1: as it should, it would have said a fault code. 374 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 1: By now, or it should have. All right, have you 375 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:20,959 Speaker 1: seen the bulletin e g. Double O seven Day Show seven. 376 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:24,879 Speaker 1: I cannot say that I have not. Um get your 377 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 1: hands on and read that. It's about sixteen pages long. 378 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 1: If members eleven or six, I don't know. They love 379 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 1: to you know, for a world we were trying to 380 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 1: save trees and make cars run more efficiently. We sure 381 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:35,680 Speaker 1: left to kill them when we print bulletins. But um 382 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:39,680 Speaker 1: uh it talks about fault codes eleven, twelve or sixteen 383 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:42,879 Speaker 1: v V t actuator related and and some of the 384 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 1: issues and some of the ways to determine it. So yeah, 385 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 1: I mean, you can try it for sure, if that's 386 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 1: what you if that's what you'd like, if you know, 387 00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:53,200 Speaker 1: obviously it's easier to get to. Here's what I was 388 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:57,240 Speaker 1: going to suggest, all right. The the degree of repair 389 00:19:57,280 --> 00:20:00,719 Speaker 1: that you apply to this vehicle. And and I'm speaking 390 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:03,080 Speaker 1: like a father that sent three daughters to college, brother, 391 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:05,920 Speaker 1: all right, right, the the amount of repair you apply 392 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:08,200 Speaker 1: to this vehicle is directly related to how much she's 393 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:10,159 Speaker 1: gonna depend on the car and how far away from 394 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:14,720 Speaker 1: Dad's arm she's gonna be. Okay, So depending upon where 395 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:16,800 Speaker 1: she goes to college, if she goes to community college 396 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 1: around the corner from the house, the car will never break. 397 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:23,800 Speaker 1: If if she goes from Mississippi to Illinois, you know, 398 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:26,359 Speaker 1: and she's taking the car. Oh boy, wait, do you 399 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 1: see the trail aparts it's gonna leave behind. Um, you know, 400 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 1: that's just that's just the way the universe works. So 401 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:36,119 Speaker 1: while you still have it in your grip, all right, 402 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 1: this is the time to think about the overhaul, all right, 403 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:41,919 Speaker 1: and getting ready. We we know that the chains and 404 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:45,200 Speaker 1: guides are common failures. We know that the actuators are 405 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 1: common issues. We know that the vehicle now has close 406 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 1: to a hundred thousand miles on it. G wouldn't it 407 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 1: make sense to put a water pump on it? Now? 408 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:54,680 Speaker 1: You know? And and and and and do those repairs 409 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 1: and then maybe you could spread it out over the 410 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:58,439 Speaker 1: course of time and it wouldn't hurt the family budget 411 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:03,680 Speaker 1: so much. All right? You know it's it's and it 412 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 1: is the is the camshaft gear part of that same 413 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 1: equation when you're doing the other stuff, Is that one 414 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 1: of the items they recommend? Yeah, I believe. I believe 415 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 1: that's in the Toyota kit. The VVT Sprocket Um, the 416 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 1: upper cam sprocket. I believe that's in there too, because 417 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 1: you know, this is how hard is it gonna be 418 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:23,480 Speaker 1: to do when she's going away to school? She is 419 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:27,440 Speaker 1: she gonna be hours away from home or days that 420 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:30,840 Speaker 1: far away. Um. But you know it's like I said, 421 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:33,119 Speaker 1: it's directly related to how bad is she gonna depend 422 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 1: on the car? By the same token. Um, you know 423 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:38,480 Speaker 1: as a freshman, you know, maybe is she allowed to 424 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:42,480 Speaker 1: drive the car to college wherever she's going is okay, 425 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:44,200 Speaker 1: so she's at one of those schools, and that's fine, 426 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:46,159 Speaker 1: but just you know, you gotta look at the car 427 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 1: as a complete package because now now your time is 428 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:51,840 Speaker 1: really gonna grow short. You're gonna see the car at 429 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 1: Christmas and over the summer, and you're gonna get to 430 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 1: change the oil at Christmas, and you're gonna have to 431 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 1: do all the rest of the stuff, uh, you know, 432 00:21:58,080 --> 00:21:59,760 Speaker 1: over the summer. So you've got to do that when 433 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:02,200 Speaker 1: it's not a rush, when she's not dependent upon the vehicle, 434 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 1: And you know, the way you maintain that car is 435 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:08,919 Speaker 1: about to change radically because time limits and the family 436 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:12,840 Speaker 1: budget just just been just been my experience three daughters 437 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:15,640 Speaker 1: through college, over the course of fourteen years, I've been there, 438 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 1: done that, and the trouble of taking that time and 439 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:22,200 Speaker 1: cover off and if you're gonna do one, everything is 440 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:29,679 Speaker 1: right there in front proximity proximity to repair. That's exactly right. 441 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:31,920 Speaker 1: And you know, and then when you take the water 442 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 1: pumped down, obviously you're gonna put fresh coolant in it. 443 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 1: You want to think about a thermostat. You know, if 444 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 1: it's never had a radiator. I'm not trying to, you know, 445 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 1: bang the drum, but if it's never had a radiator. 446 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:45,160 Speaker 1: Here it is thirteen years old, Hunter thousand miles now 447 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:48,200 Speaker 1: is a good time and and and those are probably 448 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 1: the critical things that I would be worried about this mileage. 449 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 1: And I'm one of those guys that I changed components 450 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 1: based on time and mileage as well as condition. I 451 00:22:57,680 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 1: just did a I just did a trans in the 452 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 1: urb and my O Force suburban fifty six thousand miles 453 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 1: on it puked the transfer whatever reason, and in the 454 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 1: course of it needed a trans. The trans cooler lines 455 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:12,160 Speaker 1: that run forward. We're starting to rust. This is New Jersey. 456 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:14,359 Speaker 1: We we've we've invented us here. We're shipping it to 457 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 1: other states, and I said, you know, it needs trans 458 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 1: cooler lines. I'll do that. But you know, the trans 459 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 1: cooler for the transmission is in the bottom of the radiator, 460 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:27,920 Speaker 1: the original radiator that's uh twelve years old, thirteen years 461 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:30,800 Speaker 1: old whatever, g Why would I put a radiator in this? 462 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:32,960 Speaker 1: And and so I did. And then I looked at 463 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:35,200 Speaker 1: the external oil cooler and that was starting to rust 464 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 1: and fall apart. I might as well change that. And 465 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:38,880 Speaker 1: you know, I could see the two little oil stands 466 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:40,880 Speaker 1: on the bottom of the A C condenser. I might 467 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:43,119 Speaker 1: as well change that. You know, I ended up. I 468 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:45,159 Speaker 1: ended up doing quite a bit of work to the truck. 469 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 1: But it is, it's an O four, it's it's it's 470 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:51,879 Speaker 1: fourteen years old. And now I've got peace of mind. 471 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 1: I'll go where I want and do what I want 472 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 1: and not have to worry about it. And you know, 473 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:57,679 Speaker 1: I've I've, I've I've done everything else and the rest 474 00:23:57,760 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 1: is up to the big guy upstairs. And that just 475 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:01,439 Speaker 1: gives me peace of mind. And I think that's what 476 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:03,639 Speaker 1: you was the dad. You got to think of it 477 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 1: from that perspective, and that's what you gotta look at. 478 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:07,680 Speaker 1: Don't wait for the part to break. Do it now, 479 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 1: because it's gonna help extend the life of the vehicle. Okay, 480 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 1: ron your time, all right, brother, if you name me, 481 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:17,360 Speaker 1: you know where to find me. Alright, Thank you, You're 482 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 1: very welcome. You take good care. Um. Yeah, And it's 483 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,880 Speaker 1: you know, the radiator is so gosh darn important. That 484 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 1: is the heat exchange. You've got to think of it 485 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:28,159 Speaker 1: like that. That is the heat exchange for the vehicle. 486 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:32,439 Speaker 1: And heat is what kills engines because they're there. You know, 487 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 1: you don't know the radiator's bed until it finally either 488 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:38,240 Speaker 1: breaks or the engine stops, you know, when the radiator 489 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 1: starts to leak. But if if you think about how 490 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:45,639 Speaker 1: a radiator fails, it fails because it gets restricted over time, 491 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:47,960 Speaker 1: all right. And don't think that these cool and flushes 492 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:51,320 Speaker 1: really do anything, folks, because the chemicals are so wimpy 493 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:53,920 Speaker 1: today that you know, they would remove a dead bug 494 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 1: from the windshield if you sprayed it on it, all right, 495 00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:58,200 Speaker 1: it's it's it's more of a chemical treatment to help 496 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:00,720 Speaker 1: balance the system out, you know, from going acidic. And 497 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 1: that's probably the extent of it. The real good chemical 498 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:06,480 Speaker 1: flushes don't seem to exist anymore. There's so many delicate 499 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:08,919 Speaker 1: metals inside of cooling systems today you really don't want 500 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:11,920 Speaker 1: to use it. So that being said, when do you 501 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,880 Speaker 1: change a radiator? And changing a radiator at the hundred 502 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:17,480 Speaker 1: and ten thousand mile mark or maybe when it's older, 503 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:19,359 Speaker 1: or maybe when you're doing a trans repair and all 504 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:22,119 Speaker 1: the contaminant from the transit and the radiator cooler for 505 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:24,720 Speaker 1: the transmission, that's something to think about. You know what, 506 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,200 Speaker 1: You'll see that vehicle go longer, You'll see the vehicle 507 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:31,480 Speaker 1: run cooler, and and you'll see the vehicle's air conditioning 508 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:35,440 Speaker 1: system work better because the the radiator heat exchanger, if 509 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 1: I can say it like that, will be able to 510 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,439 Speaker 1: dissipate heat quicker as it absorbs it from the A 511 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:41,439 Speaker 1: C contenser which is right in front of the radiator 512 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:45,000 Speaker 1: in the first place. Eight zero nine zero. When we 513 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,959 Speaker 1: come back, John and Blocks in Mississippi, you're next up. 514 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:49,920 Speaker 1: Don't run away. I'm run on any of the car, doctor, 515 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:58,840 Speaker 1: and I'm coming to get you. Return right after this. Hey, 516 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:00,879 Speaker 1: welcome back on any of the doctor. Let's go and 517 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:03,439 Speaker 1: talk to John Blocks in Mississippi. John, welcome to the 518 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:05,040 Speaker 1: car doctor, sir. How can I help thanks for waiting. 519 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:08,399 Speaker 1: By the way, thank you. I'm replacing the struts on 520 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:15,480 Speaker 1: my ninety Cavalier. And according to the repair manual, it's saying, um, 521 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:20,080 Speaker 1: spring seat must be installed with slat ten degrees forward 522 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 1: of the center line of the strut assembly spindle. And 523 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:27,359 Speaker 1: then they have a picture of the spring seat and 524 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:31,600 Speaker 1: according to this the center line of the spindle is 525 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:36,439 Speaker 1: some kind of a horizontal plane on top of the 526 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:39,919 Speaker 1: spring seat, top of the metal spring seat, which I 527 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:46,400 Speaker 1: cannot see. And then they have so let me ask wait, 528 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:50,160 Speaker 1: I gotta call time here women. Well, are are you 529 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:54,960 Speaker 1: just replacing the strut? Well, I had to take it 530 00:26:55,040 --> 00:27:00,119 Speaker 1: apart to swap the spring itself out because um, I 531 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,119 Speaker 1: ordered it a complete set of struts, and the scent 532 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:04,560 Speaker 1: of wrong springs, and so I had to put it 533 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:08,040 Speaker 1: put my old springs back in the new strut. Okay, 534 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:13,680 Speaker 1: so what yeah, okay, So so because normally, and obviously 535 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:19,280 Speaker 1: you're using a strut compressor, correct, Okay, So because normally 536 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:21,879 Speaker 1: this is you know, grab it in the strut compressor, 537 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,960 Speaker 1: compress the spring, pop the nut off the top, the 538 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:27,240 Speaker 1: cartridge falls out the bottom, and put the new cartridge 539 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:29,399 Speaker 1: and you're done. But you're doing it where you have 540 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 1: to replace the spring, so you have to reindex the 541 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:36,040 Speaker 1: spring correct to the old to the new strut because 542 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 1: you have to disassemble the strut compressor to take the 543 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,040 Speaker 1: spring out with the new spring in compress it and 544 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:45,800 Speaker 1: then put the strut in. Right, Okay, So let's let's 545 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:47,840 Speaker 1: throw the let's throw the book away for a minute, 546 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:52,000 Speaker 1: because you're gonna you're gonna confuse yourself, all right. Um, 547 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:55,840 Speaker 1: when you put your shoes on, your feet are facing forward, right, 548 00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:01,959 Speaker 1: common sense? Okay, So what they're trying to get you 549 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:07,000 Speaker 1: to see is the indexing of or the positioning of 550 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,680 Speaker 1: your feet before you put your shoes on. There trying 551 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:14,200 Speaker 1: to get the spring lined up in relation to the 552 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 1: spindle and the steering knuckle itself, which is actually one 553 00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:22,080 Speaker 1: and the same. So if if you look at the 554 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:27,240 Speaker 1: old rubbers, look at the old upper spring mount, isn't 555 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:34,360 Speaker 1: isn't there a wear mark there where the spring was laying? Right, 556 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:37,280 Speaker 1: we've already taken it apart, right, you didn't bother to 557 00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:42,640 Speaker 1: look at them there should be there, should already taken 558 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 1: it apart and gotten gotten it together. And then once 559 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:48,760 Speaker 1: we had it together, before we put in the car 560 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:51,480 Speaker 1: I just happened to read. I was I was looking 561 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:53,680 Speaker 1: for the cork specifications that I happened to read this 562 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:57,320 Speaker 1: part of it's in the line of them. So now 563 00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:59,200 Speaker 1: the question is do you put it together or do 564 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:03,040 Speaker 1: you is really right? If I understand you correct where 565 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:04,960 Speaker 1: you're at, the question becomes do you put it together? 566 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 1: Do you take it apart and look again? Is that 567 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 1: a fair Is that a fair question on my part? Yes? Okay, 568 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:15,360 Speaker 1: So can I say this on the bearing plate that 569 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:19,360 Speaker 1: you that that um, the very top that goes on 570 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:22,960 Speaker 1: top of the spring seat, there's also a flat pace. 571 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,479 Speaker 1: Now do those flat too? Flat services supposed to line up. 572 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:29,800 Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember what they looked like, but I 573 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,760 Speaker 1: don't remember this paying this complicated. It was a ninety Cavalier. 574 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:38,520 Speaker 1: Uh you know it's ninety gems. The top plate is 575 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:42,320 Speaker 1: kind of a gold color like um um. It's the 576 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:45,000 Speaker 1: part that goes right up underneath on the very top 577 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:49,400 Speaker 1: and then on the spring seat. So so those pieces 578 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:51,880 Speaker 1: have a flat spot, right, because what they're doing is 579 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:56,840 Speaker 1: they're indexing. They index or they they locate that upper 580 00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:00,200 Speaker 1: spring seat to the top of the stru at the 581 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:05,600 Speaker 1: top of the strut, has a flat on one side, correct, right, 582 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,760 Speaker 1: So they're indexing that spring seat to the top of 583 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:12,160 Speaker 1: the strut. All right, So let's think of it like this. 584 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,320 Speaker 1: Let's put it together wrong. If you put if you 585 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:17,800 Speaker 1: took the top of that strut where the flat is, 586 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,000 Speaker 1: and put that upper spring seat on, and then turn 587 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:24,920 Speaker 1: the upper seat a hundred and eighty degrees with the 588 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,600 Speaker 1: springs still line up in the seat up top and 589 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:32,320 Speaker 1: line up in the strut down bottom. I don't I 590 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 1: don't think it would. I don't see how it could, 591 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,320 Speaker 1: because the one end would be in the wrong position 592 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,040 Speaker 1: in reference to the top right, the way the clocks 593 00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:42,360 Speaker 1: think of it as a positioning on a clock. Chances 594 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,440 Speaker 1: are you've got the chances are you've got to put 595 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 1: together right. The only concern I have, okay, at this point, 596 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:52,240 Speaker 1: is is it assembled correctly that the the the ends 597 00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:55,960 Speaker 1: of the spring are located in the respective ends of 598 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:59,480 Speaker 1: the seat safely so that they don't they don't you know, 599 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,080 Speaker 1: they're they're position right so they don't pop out and fail. 600 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,960 Speaker 1: And it's it's sort of impossible to do, but that's 601 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:09,240 Speaker 1: the only thing I would be looking at all right, Um, 602 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,800 Speaker 1: at this point I would probably I would put it together. 603 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,040 Speaker 1: You know, you're you're, you're, you're twenty minutes from putting 604 00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:17,760 Speaker 1: them back in the car. I put it back together. 605 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,200 Speaker 1: You know, take it for a ride, do an alignment, 606 00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:22,520 Speaker 1: turn the wheel, if the if you hear no binding, 607 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:28,400 Speaker 1: no clunking, no noise, it's miller time. Um, you're done. Um, 608 00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:34,240 Speaker 1: don't overcomplicate it. So so the spring seat and the 609 00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:37,960 Speaker 1: plate above it that holds the bearing, they each have 610 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:42,400 Speaker 1: They each have a flat spot on one on one side. Right, 611 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:44,960 Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, John, don't John, John, don't, don't. 612 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:46,560 Speaker 1: Don't let me. I don't want to rush you. Let 613 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:48,080 Speaker 1: me pull over and take this pause. Will come back 614 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:49,520 Speaker 1: and finish this up. I'll run any of the car. 615 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:54,800 Speaker 1: Doctor will be back right after this. Welcome back. Let's 616 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,400 Speaker 1: get right to a job. Bloxi, Mississippi. You're still there, sir. Sorry, 617 00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:58,680 Speaker 1: I was up against the clock. I had to do 618 00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:02,640 Speaker 1: that when I was gonna stay with the bearing plate 619 00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:06,680 Speaker 1: on top from the spring seat below. It both have 620 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:10,920 Speaker 1: a have a flat place on one side. Um, they 621 00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:15,920 Speaker 1: should probably lined up or correct. Right. That sounds like 622 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:19,600 Speaker 1: a correct because say so, I'll do that that. I 623 00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:23,600 Speaker 1: just had one one little quick question, Um, the two 624 00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:27,120 Speaker 1: large bolts that hold the strut onto the sindals. Does 625 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:31,000 Speaker 1: it matter which side you put the nut on? Because 626 00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:34,280 Speaker 1: I noticed that we're the reason I'm asking that is 627 00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:37,880 Speaker 1: on one side when you when you take the when 628 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:41,480 Speaker 1: you try to drive the the nut the both out, 629 00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:47,640 Speaker 1: it hits the brake line. I mean, actually you can you? So? 630 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,120 Speaker 1: Can I put it in the opposite way with the 631 00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:52,720 Speaker 1: nut on the back or the front, opposite of the 632 00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:57,320 Speaker 1: way it came from the factory? Probably? You know, And 633 00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,240 Speaker 1: I'll say it like this. If I was there looking 634 00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,960 Speaker 1: at it, I could tell it better. You know, nuts 635 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:03,880 Speaker 1: and bolts are nuts and bolts there there. They have 636 00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,040 Speaker 1: no sense of which way they're going as long as 637 00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:09,840 Speaker 1: there's a washer flange built into both the nuts and 638 00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:11,880 Speaker 1: the bolts, so you get the same amount of crush 639 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:15,360 Speaker 1: or compression against the strut if you understand what I'm saying. 640 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,080 Speaker 1: So I don't. I don't think that's an issue. Here's 641 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:19,840 Speaker 1: what you have to think about whenever you're working on 642 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:23,040 Speaker 1: cars and you're doing something like this, and it sounds cruel, 643 00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:24,479 Speaker 1: but I swear it's the truth. You have to think 644 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:26,200 Speaker 1: about how many guys out there do it wrong? And 645 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,120 Speaker 1: don't think twice about it, and the cars are still 646 00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:32,640 Speaker 1: on the road and nobody's gotten hurt. Um, so we're 647 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:34,640 Speaker 1: worried about which way bolts and nuts are going. I 648 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:36,560 Speaker 1: get it. I mean, listen, I respect you. You're trying 649 00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:39,000 Speaker 1: to do it right, I really am. But don't don't 650 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,280 Speaker 1: overthink it and don't let it paralyze we you know, 651 00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:44,360 Speaker 1: it's analysis. Paralysis can kind of can hurt or repair 652 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,560 Speaker 1: in the long run too. Um, you know it's it's 653 00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:50,080 Speaker 1: like I said, put it together. You know. See how 654 00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:52,600 Speaker 1: the car goes down the road. Listen for noise, turn 655 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:57,320 Speaker 1: the wheel lock to lock. If the springs are on correctly. Um, 656 00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,360 Speaker 1: you know, if the springs are on correctly, you're not 657 00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:01,560 Speaker 1: gonna get any chatter and an noised the wheel will 658 00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:03,840 Speaker 1: turn correctly. If the bearing is in the right position, 659 00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,760 Speaker 1: it'll all turn and go in the right direction. If 660 00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:09,360 Speaker 1: you do have to take it apart, start looking for 661 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,080 Speaker 1: witness marks. There should be some sort of a witness 662 00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:15,719 Speaker 1: mark in the rubber of where the springs were originally 663 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:19,000 Speaker 1: if they're out of position from what you've created here, 664 00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:21,440 Speaker 1: and um, you know that'll help you in the long run. 665 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:24,080 Speaker 1: Further on down the road. And just one last comment, 666 00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:28,120 Speaker 1: John Um, it's amazing you've got a ninety Cavalier that's 667 00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:30,799 Speaker 1: still running down in Biloxi, Mississippi and New Jersey. That 668 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,640 Speaker 1: car would have rushed away fourteen years ago, and by 669 00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:35,640 Speaker 1: now it would have been to be swept up on 670 00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:38,120 Speaker 1: the shop floor. So I'm stunned that you're still driving 671 00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:39,920 Speaker 1: a twenty eight year old car. Good luck to you, 672 00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:41,840 Speaker 1: and I hope that helps. I'm run an any in 673 00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:44,600 Speaker 1: the car doctor until the next time. The mechanics aren't expensive, 674 00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:56,360 Speaker 1: they're price Let's see it.