Speaker 1: Call zone media. As always, I like to give examples
Speaker 1: that are first hand, whether they're my experiences or experiences
Speaker 1: that have been communicated to me by the experience served.
Speaker 2: I guess we'd be secondhand at that point.
Speaker 1: Either way, Almost every example or a story I give
Speaker 1: you are from either myself or people I personally know.
Speaker 1: I try not to just unless you're using like a
Speaker 1: pop culture thing. And I'm saying this firsthand as an
Speaker 1: artist who I've been on major labels. I have a
Speaker 1: couple albums held hostage by a major label, and I
Speaker 1: have been and continue to be an independent artist. Really,
Speaker 1: the only thing that you actually need, once you've worked
Speaker 1: on your craft and you know you got a team
Speaker 1: together that is competent, professional, and really invested in what
Speaker 1: you're doing, you just need a ravid fan base. There's
Speaker 1: not much more you need after that is if you
Speaker 1: have a fan base who just believes in anything you do,
Speaker 1: you'll be fine. And just anybody will tell you, just
Speaker 1: support the fan base the people that absolutely adore you, like,
Speaker 1: feed them, grow that.
Speaker 2: That is your that is your desire. You want to
Speaker 2: fan them. So what do you do?
Speaker 1: You nickname them because you're trying to create an end group,
Speaker 1: the Barbs, the Monsters, the Swifties, the Beayhive, because if
Speaker 1: they never like the thing is like if they lose
Speaker 1: all of their corporate sponsors, it won't look the same.
Speaker 1: But a fan base like that that you can't tell
Speaker 1: them nothing. The hope is you want a fan base
Speaker 1: that you can't tell nothing that are in some senses
Speaker 1: annoying to everyone else. That there's no amount of metrics,
Speaker 1: there's no data, there's no polls.
Speaker 2: You can't tell them anything. Now listen to me.
Speaker 1: I don't want to smoke with no Swifty, but most
Speaker 1: importantly because I might be able to handle that. Most importantly,
Speaker 1: I don't want to know. Some with know Bayhive do
Speaker 1: not want to smoke. So that being said, this going
Speaker 1: be the last mention of the bay Hive because I
Speaker 1: don't want to smoke. You guys are right. Whatever you say, Behive,
Speaker 1: you're right.
Speaker 2: That's my stance. You're right. For this one.
Speaker 1: I'm going to talk about J Cole fans. You can't
Speaker 1: tell them nothing. I don't know what it is specifically
Speaker 1: about Cole, but he has figured out to create a
Speaker 1: fan base of people that, in all intents and purposes,
Speaker 1: I am the if they're me. I'm the demographic urban
Speaker 1: hip hop, educated but from the city, politically aware, likes
Speaker 1: music that makes a good statement, want to be you know,
Speaker 1: good fathers, want to put good in the world. You
Speaker 1: know we come from we come from where we come from,
Speaker 1: but we trying to be good dudes. You know you
Speaker 1: fashion forward, but you're not obsessed with fashion. You like
Speaker 1: things that are popular, but you're not worried about pop culture.
Speaker 1: You find out you find a lot of that stuff
Speaker 1: fleeting you. Just you want you believe even things that matter.
Speaker 1: I am the demographic you just you can't tell them nothing.
Speaker 1: They will stand for no slander. Now, I as an artist,
Speaker 1: I my desire was always like I want a fan
Speaker 1: base that I'm down to kick it with. I feel
Speaker 1: like if I'm doing my I'm doing right. If I
Speaker 1: have if the people in the crowd are obviously I.
Speaker 2: Make music that I stand by, so we have a
Speaker 2: lot in common.
Speaker 1: But that are like like dope, Like I would go,
Speaker 1: you know, get a beard, I'd go sit at the
Speaker 1: bar after the show with them because they're just like dope.
Speaker 2: They're just like dope folks. They're super interesting.
Speaker 1: And for the most part, that's been my experience there,
Speaker 1: give or take a few youth conferences I've performed at,
Speaker 1: but generally speaking, and even those folks have grown up.
Speaker 1: When they was kids, they was weirdos, but they've grown
Speaker 1: up to be pretty dope people. They DM me all
Speaker 1: the time like, hey, I saw you at this. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, And they're like, by and large,
Speaker 1: I like my fan base for the most part. I've
Speaker 1: had some situations, but for the most part, I like
Speaker 1: the people that like my music. It's been kind of cool.
Speaker 1: I know some other people that are like miserable, like
Speaker 1: they can't stand their fans, like they're just in for
Speaker 1: whatever reason. Sometimes that's just how it shakes out. You
Speaker 1: kind of don't get to pick your fan base. Sometimes
Speaker 1: you put the workout and you hope it, you hope
Speaker 1: it lands, and when it lands, you're happy because.
Speaker 2: You have a career. It is what it is.
Speaker 1: But you know what, there is a shadow side to
Speaker 1: this that there are listeners that no matter what you do,
Speaker 1: you can't convince them that an artist is good. They've
Speaker 1: just decided, despite any sort of metrics or evidence, that
Speaker 1: you can't be like, nah, that fool's dope. They've just
Speaker 1: decided that this artist sucks, that they're whack, or they're corny.
Speaker 1: And a lot of times artists that are corny, I
Speaker 1: think I've talked about this before, are actually they have
Speaker 1: rabid fan bases, have fan bases as dedicated to them
Speaker 1: as as anyone can be. And they are also people
Speaker 1: you can't argue with. They just that that person could
Speaker 1: do no wrong. But at the same time, there are
Speaker 1: people that are just like, no matter what you do,
Speaker 1: you're corny. And I'm sorry to say about these artists
Speaker 1: because again, these artists have rabid fan bases. Logic is
Speaker 1: one of those dudes. People have just decided he's corny.
Speaker 1: And I've opened for Logic before. He's a dope ass rapper.
Speaker 1: He's in and like and he's done amazing things. Corda,
Speaker 1: I think cordays dope.
Speaker 2: I get it.
Speaker 1: People think he's corny, and it's just there's nothing he
Speaker 1: could I don't know, there's no songs he can put out.
Speaker 1: This song with freaking Anderson Pac is like incredible. I
Speaker 1: don't know, you guys just think he's corny. Dax y'all
Speaker 1: just think he's I don't hopson, But these people have
Speaker 1: fan bases that have carried them for decades. But there's
Speaker 1: other people you just can't. There's just no amount of facts.
Speaker 1: They've just decided you can't argue it, can't argue with Jakofan.
Speaker 1: The question is why that's what I want to talk
Speaker 1: about in our politics today?
Speaker 2: Why are we like this? And why would I even
Speaker 2: bring this up?
Speaker 1: Is because I don't know what the hell Joe Biden
Speaker 1: gonna do little politics, y'all.
Speaker 2: All right, y'all.
Speaker 1: I want to talk about sort of the scoreboard for
Speaker 1: the Biden administration and why is it not connecting in
Speaker 1: how this ain't gonna work for him for some reason.
Speaker 1: But before I do that, a little tap in about
Speaker 1: pop culture.
Speaker 2: Y'all. See the flying Felon.
Speaker 1: Homeboy jumped over the bench and attacked the judge. So
Speaker 1: the clip this, I mean, it's happened in January. I'm
Speaker 1: not sure exactly when this episode is coming out, but
Speaker 1: it happened like almost the same week as the Cat
Speaker 1: Williams interview where this man was standing before the judge
Speaker 1: giving his final plea about like I'm a change man.
Speaker 1: Like it's sentencing I'm a change man. It's not like
Speaker 1: who it is any I used to be. I've made
Speaker 1: a difference. I don't drink, I don't smoke anymore. Like
Speaker 1: I'm different now and if you give me a chance,
Speaker 1: then you know, I'll show you how different I am.
Speaker 1: And the judge listens, you know, calmly, and it's like, well,
Speaker 1: I still think you need to you know, pay for
Speaker 1: your choices, and he goes.
Speaker 2: No, fuck that bitch ed he runs and he jumps
Speaker 2: over the bench and like slide.
Speaker 1: Tackles and the bailiff had to come and pull the
Speaker 1: man off. And it was just like you actually, and
Speaker 1: I think it was the way that he jumped was
Speaker 1: so funny because you have you know, if you if
Speaker 1: you know these these they work. Like the judge sits
Speaker 1: on high, you got to jump up over the thing.
Speaker 2: And it looks so ritten ridiculous.
Speaker 1: And then to follow up the clip later is him
Speaker 1: singing a song about how sorry he is standing on the.
Speaker 2: Man this year came out swinging die anyway. That was hilarious.
Speaker 2: But back to what we're supposed to talk about.
Speaker 1: There's certain fandoms you can't argue with, Like for organs,
Speaker 1: there's no there's just no data you could give. They
Speaker 1: know especially with Cold fans. Them fools will cite to
Speaker 1: you bars of freestyles, they'll give you lines in features
Speaker 1: like they just they the homework that they know about
Speaker 1: this man, and we'll just be like and then we'll
Speaker 1: argue about well he produced it all in this and this,
Speaker 1: and sometimes I can say, listen, as somebody who's a
Speaker 1: fan of Coal and a fan of good hip hop,
Speaker 1: there are moments that I'm just like, I don't know, man,
Speaker 1: this beat is kind of so so to me. He
Speaker 1: barring out on it, but it's just it's kind of
Speaker 1: I wish he would have had somebody come in here, like,
Speaker 1: you can't say that because that means you hate Cold.
Speaker 1: That means you I don't know hip hop like you
Speaker 1: just there are people you just can't argue, which there's
Speaker 1: no reasoning with Jacob fans. And like I said in
Speaker 1: the opposite, there are some people that have decided that
Speaker 1: Jay Call is trash. I don't get them despite any
Speaker 1: evidence of this being a verifiably good song. Or like
Speaker 1: I said, there are artists that people have just decided
Speaker 1: are corny and without there's no like, there's no like,
Speaker 1: well what about the music, Like look at the scoreboard like,
Speaker 1: look at the music. The streaming numbers. Streaming numbers don't matter.
Speaker 1: People don't know what they talk. Okay, Okay, Well then
Speaker 1: let's not look at the streaming numbers. Well let's look at.
Speaker 2: Just bar like.
Speaker 1: It's the songs a vibe like you wouldn't bang in
Speaker 1: the club. Well, nigga, you not make your club music like,
Speaker 1: I don't understand. There's no reasoning. So I don't know
Speaker 1: how you can win an election when this is uh
Speaker 1: the people you're trying to court. Like we said in
Speaker 1: previous episodes, if gravity worked the way we understood it
Speaker 1: to work, if the laws of physics that govern the
Speaker 1: universe worked the way we thought they did, then the
Speaker 1: idea of a man facing ninety one criminal charges, who
Speaker 1: has faced impeachment twice and still believes he won an
Speaker 1: election that he verifiably lost, and even when he tried
Speaker 1: to take that to the Supreme Court or to the
Speaker 1: courts and they all said, nah, fam, you lost. One
Speaker 1: would think that this spritzer bottle of water I have
Speaker 1: for my plants that are sitting on my desk could
Speaker 1: get elected president if you're running against a person who
Speaker 1: sparked an insurrection when they lost, Like one would think
Speaker 1: that this would be the most obvious.
Speaker 2: You could be a wet noodle and wind.
Speaker 1: I don't understand how anyone running against this person would
Speaker 1: have a problem. But as we know, the laws of
Speaker 1: physics don't work the way that we thought they did.
Speaker 1: And then when you talk about like the way we
Speaker 1: think of Joe Biden, I again, as you've heard before,
Speaker 1: I'm not a Biden stand but if you just finished
Speaker 1: YO four years, you should be able to point at
Speaker 1: your track reck and be like, Yo, here's what I did,
Speaker 1: Here's what I couldn't do. I'm gonna get into some
Speaker 1: of those data points, and then I want to kind
Speaker 1: of discuss with y'all, like, are we like I think
Speaker 1: we're ja cole fans when it comes to Joe Biden,
Speaker 1: And I think what that has to do with is
Speaker 1: it just some stuff just don't feel like what you're
Speaker 1: saying it is, Let's get into it.
Speaker 2: They call it five economics.
Speaker 1: By most of the metrics we normally use, which I
Speaker 1: am going to talk about a little later, like maybe
Speaker 1: that's part of the problem, but by the metrics that
Speaker 1: we use, like Joe could at least have a B
Speaker 1: minus in what he tried to do.
Speaker 2: Our gas prices are down. Now.
Speaker 1: Granted, I've told y'all before the president has very little
Speaker 1: to do with gas prices, but the country always blames
Speaker 1: the gas prices on the president, like, do something about
Speaker 1: these gas prices. They so high, but when they go down,
Speaker 1: don't Nobody got nothing to say. So I was saying
Speaker 1: that even when Trump was president, where I was like,
Speaker 1: all these gas prices are up, somebody do some of
Speaker 1: us Like, well, he ain't really got nothing to do
Speaker 1: with the gas prices are down. Well, he kind of
Speaker 1: really don't have much to do with that, but the
Speaker 1: country seems to think so. So we can say, like,
Speaker 1: verifiably gas is down. Last year, the average for twenty
Speaker 1: twenty two was five dollars and ninety eight cents. This
Speaker 1: year it's four thousand and seventy eight cents nationally average
Speaker 1: US price per gallon now, Granted, in twenty twenty one
Speaker 1: and twenty twenty it was like like fifty five cents,
Speaker 1: but that's because we was in a pandemic.
Speaker 2: Nobody was driving.
Speaker 1: That's that don't count, Like what was you supposed to
Speaker 1: do for that? Right, we could say crime is verifiably
Speaker 1: down overall, like it's it's at you know, pre pandemic numbers.
Speaker 2: Crime.
Speaker 1: There's two thousand less homicides this year than there was
Speaker 1: last year. Crimes at like the level of like the sixties.
Speaker 1: But the last poll when you poll Americans now again
Speaker 1: we've talked about again like what is a pole It
Speaker 1: is like a Yelp review, Like, I mean, who really
Speaker 1: does that? But eighty percent of Americans feel like crime
Speaker 1: is up. Unemployments down from eight point one percent to
Speaker 1: five percent. Like you these these infrastructure things where it's
Speaker 1: like I'm gonna get these bridges built now. Granted I
Speaker 1: get that one, because you're not gonna see the bridge
Speaker 1: being built until fifteen years.
Speaker 2: From now, so you won't know that. But he's created
Speaker 2: some w they're saying.
Speaker 1: This is really where it gets crazy that the economy
Speaker 1: is good, But how come why is none of this translating?
Speaker 1: Why like why do we still like, oh, I ain't
Speaker 1: doing nothing, because there are things that he's taken serious.
Speaker 1: L's on like we could talk about removing moving out
Speaker 1: of Afghanistan. Now at some point we had to leave.
Speaker 1: There was just that kind of like you inherited chaos,
Speaker 1: like there was I mean what was he supposed to do?
Speaker 1: It's still l that falls into his category. Even though
Speaker 1: he inherited that L, it still falls on him. The
Speaker 1: way he's handling Israel in Gaza is probably probably one
Speaker 1: of the main things is gonna cost him his election. Now,
Speaker 1: granted again, there's a lot going on behind closed doors.
Speaker 1: That again, if you if you if you know gangsters,
Speaker 1: then like a lot of times you gotta or or
Speaker 1: if anything like black Mama's like, they'll never drag you
Speaker 1: in public, but when you get home, ooh lord. Right,
Speaker 1: So there might be that going on with with Biden.
Speaker 1: But either way, the point is according to the rest
Speaker 1: of the world, how you look in like the way
Speaker 1: you your inaction and the way that you spending money
Speaker 1: right now out the way that the way that you
Speaker 1: keep sending weapons over there like cuz this might cause
Speaker 1: you your election.
Speaker 2: That is an absolute L. I don't know where the
Speaker 2: hell Kamala being.
Speaker 1: But that being said, he's got some w some things
Speaker 1: that we've been complaining about. The administration pulled off. But yo,
Speaker 1: am I the first person to tell you this, Have
Speaker 1: you known these things?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: Like nobody Why can't one would think if you if
Speaker 1: you've been a run against somebody that's a felon. Even
Speaker 1: if you, even if you didn't do these things, you
Speaker 1: didn't seem like you wouldn't even have to tell nobody
Speaker 1: because this feels so out of this world. But you,
Speaker 1: but you need to point to your scoreboard, show us
Speaker 1: some receipts. And even if he shows us receipts, he
Speaker 1: uses the lame term like bidnomics like nigga come on,
Speaker 1: like that's a dumb ass, like stand on business. I
Speaker 1: don't understand why this isn't translating. Well, actually I think
Speaker 1: I do know. Remember the Black episode and I talked
Speaker 1: about like bar for bar like these there's not many
Speaker 1: rappers better than him what Joe Biden has in this
Speaker 1: whole setup. I'm talking about why you can't argue with
Speaker 1: his fans, or why you can't argue with people who
Speaker 1: just hate it, who just are like he's corny. And
Speaker 1: of course the Trump thing, like I mean, that's.
Speaker 2: Some cold energy going on over there. That's not what
Speaker 2: I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: This is something very specific having to do with messaging
Speaker 1: in your brand, in your in your in your campaign.
Speaker 1: And Joe Biden's problem is not just Joe Biden's problem.
Speaker 1: It's the democrats problem. It's it's the liberal problem. It's
Speaker 1: not only a the liberal problem. I personally believe it's
Speaker 1: the problem of modern American power. There's a disconnect between
Speaker 1: the data and our experiences, except the data is supposed
Speaker 1: to be measuring our experiences. Either way, the math isn't mathing.
Speaker 1: What you're saying is not what feeling. It don't feel
Speaker 1: like it for better or for worse. They're calling it
Speaker 1: vibe economics, where you know, all the markers that we
Speaker 1: have are saying that our economy is good. So how
Speaker 1: come nobody thinks the economy is good but the book
Speaker 1: says it's good. Then the problem is the book. It's
Speaker 1: not us reading it. It's what you're using to say.
Speaker 1: What makes something good or not is wrong. Our normal
Speaker 1: metrics of ways, again are based on laws of physics
Speaker 1: where gravity goes down and.
Speaker 2: Water is wet.
Speaker 1: One would think that, just like if you can sing,
Speaker 1: you can have a singing career. One would think that
Speaker 1: the better singer would be the most popular singer. It
Speaker 1: is just not true. That's just not how really how
Speaker 1: the laws of physics work. The issue is it's not
Speaker 1: so much that the economy is good or bad. The
Speaker 1: issue is how you measure it. There's a section in
Speaker 1: my book, in the Possibility chapter of the Terror Form
Speaker 1: poetry book.
Speaker 2: Where I discussed this.
Speaker 1: Story of legend of some scientists Vaughan Liechtenstein something. I
Speaker 1: forget the dude's name, it's in the book. I forget
Speaker 1: his name, but anyway, he was asking one of his
Speaker 1: students and like, this story may have happened or may
Speaker 1: not have happened, but the.
Speaker 2: Point is this. He was asking his student.
Speaker 1: Why was Copernicus such a big deal? Copernicus was the
Speaker 1: guy that you know, discovered that or observed that the
Speaker 1: Earth was going around the Sun rather than the Sun
Speaker 1: going around the Earth, right, heliocentric. And the student was like, well,
Speaker 1: because it doesn't look like it. Because when you look
Speaker 1: at the if you are on the ground, you look
Speaker 1: at the Sun, it looks like it's moving, it looks
Speaker 1: like it's spinning around us.
Speaker 2: What it looks like?
Speaker 1: And then the dude asked him, Okay, The teacher asked him, well,
Speaker 1: what would it look like if it looked like the
Speaker 1: Earth was rotating around the sun. You know what it
Speaker 1: would look like exactly how it looks now, it wouldn't
Speaker 1: look any different because that is what it's doing. The
Speaker 1: point I'm making is your way of measuring something rather
Speaker 1: than saying something wrong with our eyes, something wrong with
Speaker 1: your measurements.
Speaker 2: Oh oh, let's.
Speaker 1: Say the difference between the rap i came from West Coast,
Speaker 1: whether it's underground or even just street stuff, versus rap
Speaker 1: from New Orleans down south from Atlanta, you know, like
Speaker 1: the young slime dudes, the young thugs of the world
Speaker 1: who you know, good luck on Yo, Rico. The thing
Speaker 1: about that is our music out here, in a lot
Speaker 1: of ways comes from jazz and funk. And if you
Speaker 1: play the funk and when you put the stink on it,
Speaker 1: you gotta actually know how to play like them funk players.
Speaker 1: Good God, you gotta like, you gotta you gotta, you
Speaker 1: gotta shred, you gotta know that instrument jazz is the same.
Speaker 1: It gets to the point to where it's so envant garde,
Speaker 1: it's so good that it can be hard to listen
Speaker 1: to if you not listen, if you're not really into that.
Speaker 1: That's that underground West Coast, even some of the gangster stuff,
Speaker 1: when it gets like real street shit, it's like if
Speaker 1: you can't relate to this. I actually understand Southern music
Speaker 1: come from the blues. It gotta feel right, that's see.
Speaker 1: That's the thing with the blues. The blues gotta this.
Speaker 1: You can't play the blues correctly because playing it doesn't
Speaker 1: make it the blues. It's how it feels is what
Speaker 1: makes it blue. Now that don't mean they not playing
Speaker 1: the ass off. That these musicians are not sophisticated in
Speaker 1: a way that like you couldn't imagine. And that's not
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I'm just saying the sophistication of it
Speaker 1: is only one ingredient. So that's Southern trap. It gotta
Speaker 1: feel like they gotta feel like you. You you you
Speaker 1: gotta feel the sticky humidity, you gotta you gotta feel it.
Speaker 1: That a ball and MJG. You know what I'm saying
Speaker 1: that that ugk. It just feel like the chop the
Speaker 1: DJ screw it just it just feel like texts like
Speaker 1: you sitting sideways supposed to crook it in the slab
Speaker 1: like bro.
Speaker 2: It just it just feel like it.
Speaker 1: Paul wallwork because he feel like Houston, and I mean
Speaker 1: he wrapping his ass off.
Speaker 2: But it it just feel right.
Speaker 1: So when you get these young people talking about future
Speaker 1: and two chains are the greatest rappers are all times,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, nigga, y'all can't be serious.
Speaker 2: It's because it feel right.
Speaker 1: And then you got these outliers like Wayne who just
Speaker 1: who are actually like lyricists, but he from New Outlands,
Speaker 1: so it feel like New York when you start talking
Speaker 1: about the economy, at least, not when we start talking
Speaker 1: about the economy. When depundits and the politicians start talking
Speaker 1: about economy, they talk about stock market, they're talking about
Speaker 1: interest rates, they're talking about GDP and exports and the
Speaker 1: cost of milk. Average homeowner age is forty nine, which
Speaker 1: the fuck you care about no interest rate.
Speaker 2: Your credit card is your credit card. I mean like
Speaker 2: it is what it is.
Speaker 1: But even in the way that they're talking about it,
Speaker 1: they're talking about national trends. And the problem is nobody
Speaker 1: lives in national Nobody lives in the United States. We
Speaker 1: live in Los Angeles, we live in Seattle. We live
Speaker 1: in Toadsuck, Arkansas, which is a city.
Speaker 2: That I've been at and performed in. It's pretty great.
Speaker 1: We don't live national. We live in our city. So
Speaker 1: when you talk about economy. What we mean is how
Speaker 1: much money I got and do I got more bills
Speaker 1: than I got money?
Speaker 2: Was it like this last year?
Speaker 1: If I feel like I'm if I feel like I'm broke,
Speaker 1: it's not because I feel like I'm broke, Nigga, I'm broke.
Speaker 2: I haven't made less money.
Speaker 1: If you're talking about average America mea as a business,
Speaker 1: I absolutely have. All I know is groceries used to
Speaker 1: cost me three hundred dollars a week now cost me
Speaker 1: five hundred dollars a week. How can you stand there
Speaker 1: and tell me nationally our economy is better when everything
Speaker 1: costs two hundred dollars more. I'm making the same amount
Speaker 1: of money and you raising my rent talking about costs
Speaker 1: to living. Problem with the Democrats and why nobody listening
Speaker 1: to you is because what you saying is I'm wrong.
Speaker 1: What they're saying is my experience is wrong. You trying
Speaker 1: to tell them, you're you're telling me no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: you don't understand the economy. Unemployment rate is down. I'm like,
Speaker 1: nigga ware, they're like all of America. I'm like, I
Speaker 1: don't live in all of America. I live right here
Speaker 1: and right here All I see is the tents, the
Speaker 1: motor homes all across the street, right off the freeway.
Speaker 1: All I see is my little nephew still can't get work.
Speaker 1: So I don't care about no national unemployment rate. I'm
Speaker 1: talking about here where I'm at, This is what I'm experiencing.
Speaker 1: I know why we have those matrices because they're supposed
Speaker 1: to be able to measure the individual experience. But if
Speaker 1: you're trying to communicate your wins, I don't understand why
Speaker 1: you're not talking about the individual experience. Like why don't
Speaker 1: y'all understand you got to stop talking in these things
Speaker 1: in the ways that y'all talk, because the ways that
Speaker 1: y'all talk is almost like saying that I'm stupid. You
Speaker 1: trying to tell me that I'm not experiencing what I
Speaker 1: know I'm experiencing. You want me to not believe my eyes? Now,
Speaker 1: in their defense, how do you you got to be
Speaker 1: able to quantify?
Speaker 2: Feel right? How do you quantify that?
Speaker 1: I need to be able to quantify with the data
Speaker 1: the experience that you say you kind of feeling. I
Speaker 1: can't what do I do? I can't do nothing with
Speaker 1: vibes they don't feel right, Like I mean, I got
Speaker 1: you gotta have a number. I have to have a
Speaker 1: way to say even when we talk about jazz and blues,
Speaker 1: if you like I said, it's like blues gotta feel right.
Speaker 2: Well, how do you know it feels right?
Speaker 1: Oh? I just does, Like I can't. What do I
Speaker 1: do with that? You know what I'm saying, Like, you
Speaker 1: need a way to measure it. So this is what
Speaker 1: we've come up with so far. I'm gonna talk about
Speaker 1: the crime thing. It's the same situation. I don't live
Speaker 1: in the crime rates of America. I live in Los
Speaker 1: Angeles now. Me as somebody at my age, I personally
Speaker 1: don't understand how anybody thinks the crime is run up
Speaker 1: because it's almost like y'all forgot the nineties, y'all forgot
Speaker 1: the eighties. I mean, this is we're on different planets
Speaker 1: the crime that we experienced when we was younger. Oh, nigga,
Speaker 1: this is nothing. I like, I don't want to hear it.
Speaker 1: But the problem is, we just lived through a pandemic,
Speaker 1: and in the pandemic, the climb the crime spiked.
Speaker 2: Why did it spike? Nigga? Duh?
Speaker 1: Do I really need to explain this to you? Why
Speaker 1: the crime spiked. Do I need to explain you that
Speaker 1: crime is a social construct? What do I mean by that?
Speaker 1: You're pushing real hard here, prop Well, because if I
Speaker 1: were to walk through the forest and pick up a
Speaker 1: berry and eat it, that's called foraging.
Speaker 2: It's just it's the.
Speaker 1: Forest, it's the ground. There's a barrier there. I know
Speaker 1: it's not poisonous, it's good for me.
Speaker 2: I ate it. Well, crime would say that forest belongs
Speaker 2: to the state, and you stole that barry, No, you
Speaker 2: stole it. Nigga.
Speaker 1: What if there's an orange, There's a house that has
Speaker 1: an orange tree and one of the oranges fell on
Speaker 1: the sidewalk and I ate the orange. Did I steal
Speaker 1: that orange? You'd say? It depends on the law. That's
Speaker 1: my point. It's a construct. You see what I'm trying
Speaker 1: to say. So now that being said, I mean, nigga,
Speaker 1: you murdered somebody. You murdered somebody like I like. But
Speaker 1: the point I'm making is that in the pandemic we had,
Speaker 1: there was no resources, Like where was no way where
Speaker 1: you're supposed to get food. When listen, Hurricane Katrina happened
Speaker 1: and there was no food. Were the people going into
Speaker 1: the grocery stores grabbing a loaf of bread. Were they
Speaker 1: scavenging or were they looters? It depends on they melon it.
Speaker 1: Let's be real. So the point I'm trying to make
Speaker 1: is the pandemic was a different story. We like, nobody
Speaker 1: in our generation ever seen none like this. So the
Speaker 1: crime spiked went down and then went back up. So
Speaker 1: people are like, crime rates are up, But the point
Speaker 1: is they're even with that. They're up from twenty nineteen,
Speaker 1: but now they're down below twenty nineteen. That's the national
Speaker 1: crime rates DC. They up twenty percent. Because people don't
Speaker 1: live national they live in a city. So you could
Speaker 1: tell me about the crime rates. But I know if
Speaker 1: my car got broken into, my car got broken into,
Speaker 1: I don't get fucking nothing about your national numbers my
Speaker 1: car got broken into, or if you live out in
Speaker 1: the burbs. I feel like again because I lived through
Speaker 1: the eighties. Baby, this ain't nothing, Joe saying, I was
Speaker 1: a teenager in the nineties.
Speaker 2: Baby, this ain't nothing. So to me, it don't. It
Speaker 2: don't feel like it.
Speaker 1: When I go to San Francisco and you tell me
Speaker 1: San Francisco is a raging war zone, it might be
Speaker 1: I got homies in San Francisco. They not complaining. They
Speaker 1: get up and go to they morning jiu jitsu and
Speaker 1: drop their kids off at school, go to the park
Speaker 1: and have picnics and go home like, I just I
Speaker 1: don't it's a matter of experience. Well then how do
Speaker 1: you prove it. We're not talking about proof, we talking
Speaker 1: about arguing with fans. You got to know how to
Speaker 1: talk to your fans. And apparently the Democrats don't know
Speaker 1: how to talk to they fans because they talking as
Speaker 1: if the people they talking to don't understand what they're experiencing.
Speaker 1: In the same way that J Cole fans will be like,
Speaker 1: if you don't like this song, that means you don't
Speaker 1: like hip hop. It's like Nigga. Now, I'm like, I
Speaker 1: don't want to talk now you know it. Now I'm
Speaker 1: like fuck Ja Cole. And I don't really feel like that, obviously,
Speaker 1: But because you telling me if I don't like every
Speaker 1: song at every beat that Nigga made, then that means
Speaker 1: I don't know hip hop, I feel like I can't.
Speaker 1: You're an elitist. Now they're in lies the liberal problem.
Speaker 1: Y'all talk like elitists and everybody else don't know what
Speaker 1: they talking about unless they agree with you, even the
Speaker 1: people that was on your side, But you're talking to
Speaker 1: me like I don't know what I'm talking about all
Speaker 1: the time. So who ends up winning the argument The
Speaker 1: person that can say I'm going through what you going through.
Speaker 2: I'm one of y'all.
Speaker 1: The person that can say, no, I feel what you feel,
Speaker 1: and I have felt what you felt. Here's how I
Speaker 1: overcame it. And here's what I'm gonna do for you.
Speaker 1: And everybody that's speaking against us is because they don't
Speaker 1: feel with me and you feel, and I'm gonna show
Speaker 1: you that I feel what you feel. I understand what
Speaker 1: you understand. Here's what I'm gonna do for you. And
Speaker 1: when they attacked me, they are attacking you. Who that
Speaker 1: sounded like? That sound like the nigga facing ninety one
Speaker 1: felony despite any evidence that he has actually lived a
Speaker 1: life in any way remotely similar to the people voting
Speaker 1: for him. You're talking about a nigga that come from wealth,
Speaker 1: was given a million dollars to start off, nigga lost
Speaker 1: a million dollars, got back on the nigga, been bankrupt
Speaker 1: FO five times and still got everybody believing the wealthy.
Speaker 1: The nigga that been at the Epstein Island did like that.
Speaker 1: You mean this nigga ain't no way in the world
Speaker 1: this man got anything in common with you. But he
Speaker 1: talked like he do. You know why, because it feels right.
Speaker 1: See seated seated, see the Democrats playing jazz, Trump playing
Speaker 1: the blues, and the blues feels right. And if you
Speaker 1: don't keep your head now, don't take don't take my
Speaker 1: analogy any further than if I am trying to make it.
Speaker 1: What I'm trying to make it is Trump know the
Speaker 1: notes to play. And even though body and them may
Speaker 1: have receipts, and even if you don't like the song
Speaker 1: he playing, he don't know how to play his notes.
Speaker 1: And it's not just him, the Dems don't know how
Speaker 1: to play they notes. Because y'all got evidence, y'all got receipts.
Speaker 1: But you flashing the wrong receipts to the wrong people.
Speaker 1: You turning the homies against you because you talking to
Speaker 1: the homies like they stupid. Don't nobody like being talked
Speaker 1: to like they stupid. Now, what is Joe's strength? Mister
Speaker 1: Biden's strength is the fact that he's not a raging
Speaker 1: criminal in a way that his opponent is. His strength
Speaker 1: is his tenderness, in the sense that the man is
Speaker 1: lost deeply with the tragedies of his son and his wife,
Speaker 1: and his strength is his air quotes civility, which you
Speaker 1: know it is kind of out of style these days.
Speaker 1: But the point I'm trying to make is you can't
Speaker 1: argue with the fans good or bad. It's because the
Speaker 1: stats are weird. It's the that's the mismatch that I'm
Speaker 1: trying to get at. So when you tell me, well,
Speaker 1: biggest streaming artists is in El E Chopper, I mean
Speaker 1: I don't care. Does do the do the streaming numbers
Speaker 1: prove that he's the best rapper? No, it just proves
Speaker 1: he's the most streams. You can bang this in the club,
Speaker 1: you know, drake it all the bitches, okay. And then
Speaker 1: when you talking to cold fans, nobody, I'll wrap it cold.
Speaker 1: Listen listen to this, and they gonna go bar for bar.
Speaker 1: But if you like, I don't really I don't really
Speaker 1: care about bars, then you like, well, what do you do?
Speaker 1: I say, well, that means you don't know hip hop?
Speaker 1: Or do I say, oh, what do you care about.
Speaker 1: It's not your job to teach to teach everybody that
Speaker 1: that if you don't like j Cole, you don't love
Speaker 1: hip hop, like that's you're missing the point.
Speaker 2: Joe.
Speaker 1: For what it's worth, Bro, you got to stand on
Speaker 1: business and not just Joe. Democrats, Democrats, y'all gotta stand
Speaker 1: on business. And if people don't understand, don't shrug them
Speaker 1: off like they stupid you, running you, running them into
Speaker 1: the other dude's arms. Somehow you got a brand where
Speaker 1: you to you the brand of the elite while trying
Speaker 1: to do things that are by and large more lean,
Speaker 1: more social. How the hell you pull that off? But
Speaker 1: ultimately my critique really isn't just about the Democrats. It's
Speaker 1: about our measuring system. I really think when people talk
Speaker 1: about the economy and if I could stand on, if
Speaker 1: I could die on any hill, I wish it would
Speaker 1: be that that the measurements we use to measure the
Speaker 1: economy are calibrated for a human that does not exist.
Speaker 1: It's calibrated on an experience that nobody's actually having. The
Speaker 1: problem is that's just how statistics work. It's a large
Speaker 1: data set of a lot of people, and you're trying
Speaker 1: to find the most consistent experience, but that consistent experience
Speaker 1: is calibrated towards an average person. The problem is there
Speaker 1: is no average person. I don't understand why y'all can't
Speaker 1: make your economic matrix be based on the way that
Speaker 1: we experience the economy. And you're gonna tell me it
Speaker 1: already is jobs, homeowner prices, cost the food, cost the living.
Speaker 2: That's how we measure it.
Speaker 1: But the people is telling you how you measuring it
Speaker 1: is not how we're experiencing it. Honestly, until I became
Speaker 1: a businessman owner, what you said the economy was doing
Speaker 1: good or bad made me no difference. It had to
Speaker 1: do with did I have enough money for my needs
Speaker 1: the experience, And honestly, I feel like before we start
Speaker 1: talking about why the voters aren't seeing what the numbers
Speaker 1: are saying, maybe we should change the numbers.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna leave you with this analogy.
Speaker 1: When I was a little kid, our pastor, Pastor Rene Dirtfield,
Speaker 1: I had a girl pastor. Because again I come from
Speaker 1: a different tradition than you do. She gave us this
Speaker 1: example of this guy that went to the doctor and
Speaker 1: he said man, and the doctor was like, yo, what's
Speaker 1: the problem. And he was like, man, every place I
Speaker 1: touch hurts. He was like, oh, tell me more. I
Speaker 1: touched my shoulder, Oh my god, it it hurts. I
Speaker 1: touched my knee, Dang, it hurts. And then I touched
Speaker 1: my stomach and like, oh my god, it just hurts
Speaker 1: so bad. And doctor says, all right, well, I have
Speaker 1: a solution for you. And then then the guy was like, yeah, man,
Speaker 1: I've tried everything, like nothing works. What's the problem, It says,
Speaker 1: where your finger's broken? The politics?
Speaker 2: Y'all?
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