1 00:00:02,160 --> 00:00:07,320 Speaker 1: Call zone media. As always, I like to give examples 2 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:11,600 Speaker 1: that are first hand, whether they're my experiences or experiences 3 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:16,599 Speaker 1: that have been communicated to me by the experience served. 4 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:18,160 Speaker 2: I guess we'd be secondhand at that point. 5 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:20,720 Speaker 1: Either way, Almost every example or a story I give 6 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 1: you are from either myself or people I personally know. 7 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:25,919 Speaker 1: I try not to just unless you're using like a 8 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 1: pop culture thing. And I'm saying this firsthand as an 9 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:33,640 Speaker 1: artist who I've been on major labels. I have a 10 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 1: couple albums held hostage by a major label, and I 11 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:40,920 Speaker 1: have been and continue to be an independent artist. Really, 12 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:43,480 Speaker 1: the only thing that you actually need, once you've worked 13 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:45,560 Speaker 1: on your craft and you know you got a team 14 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 1: together that is competent, professional, and really invested in what 15 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 1: you're doing, you just need a ravid fan base. There's 16 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 1: not much more you need after that is if you 17 00:00:56,640 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 1: have a fan base who just believes in anything you do, 18 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 1: you'll be fine. And just anybody will tell you, just 19 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:10,400 Speaker 1: support the fan base the people that absolutely adore you, like, 20 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 1: feed them, grow that. 21 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 2: That is your that is your desire. You want to 22 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:17,319 Speaker 2: fan them. So what do you do? 23 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 1: You nickname them because you're trying to create an end group, 24 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:28,039 Speaker 1: the Barbs, the Monsters, the Swifties, the Beayhive, because if 25 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:30,760 Speaker 1: they never like the thing is like if they lose 26 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 1: all of their corporate sponsors, it won't look the same. 27 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:36,760 Speaker 1: But a fan base like that that you can't tell 28 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 1: them nothing. The hope is you want a fan base 29 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 1: that you can't tell nothing that are in some senses 30 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 1: annoying to everyone else. That there's no amount of metrics, 31 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 1: there's no data, there's no polls. 32 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 2: You can't tell them anything. Now listen to me. 33 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 1: I don't want to smoke with no Swifty, but most 34 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 1: importantly because I might be able to handle that. Most importantly, 35 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 1: I don't want to know. Some with know Bayhive do 36 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 1: not want to smoke. So that being said, this going 37 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 1: be the last mention of the bay Hive because I 38 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 1: don't want to smoke. You guys are right. Whatever you say, Behive, 39 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 1: you're right. 40 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:13,800 Speaker 2: That's my stance. You're right. For this one. 41 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 1: I'm going to talk about J Cole fans. You can't 42 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:20,959 Speaker 1: tell them nothing. I don't know what it is specifically 43 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 1: about Cole, but he has figured out to create a 44 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 1: fan base of people that, in all intents and purposes, 45 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:32,359 Speaker 1: I am the if they're me. I'm the demographic urban 46 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 1: hip hop, educated but from the city, politically aware, likes 47 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 1: music that makes a good statement, want to be you know, 48 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 1: good fathers, want to put good in the world. You 49 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 1: know we come from we come from where we come from, 50 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 1: but we trying to be good dudes. You know you 51 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 1: fashion forward, but you're not obsessed with fashion. You like 52 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 1: things that are popular, but you're not worried about pop culture. 53 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 1: You find out you find a lot of that stuff 54 00:02:57,280 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 1: fleeting you. Just you want you believe even things that matter. 55 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 1: I am the demographic you just you can't tell them nothing. 56 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 1: They will stand for no slander. Now, I as an artist, 57 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 1: I my desire was always like I want a fan 58 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 1: base that I'm down to kick it with. I feel 59 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:17,640 Speaker 1: like if I'm doing my I'm doing right. If I 60 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:21,520 Speaker 1: have if the people in the crowd are obviously I. 61 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:23,640 Speaker 2: Make music that I stand by, so we have a 62 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:24,360 Speaker 2: lot in common. 63 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 1: But that are like like dope, Like I would go, 64 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 1: you know, get a beard, I'd go sit at the 65 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 1: bar after the show with them because they're just like dope. 66 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 2: They're just like dope folks. They're super interesting. 67 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 1: And for the most part, that's been my experience there, 68 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 1: give or take a few youth conferences I've performed at, 69 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 1: but generally speaking, and even those folks have grown up. 70 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 1: When they was kids, they was weirdos, but they've grown 71 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 1: up to be pretty dope people. They DM me all 72 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 1: the time like, hey, I saw you at this. You 73 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, And they're like, by and large, 74 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 1: I like my fan base for the most part. I've 75 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 1: had some situations, but for the most part, I like 76 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 1: the people that like my music. It's been kind of cool. 77 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 1: I know some other people that are like miserable, like 78 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 1: they can't stand their fans, like they're just in for 79 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 1: whatever reason. Sometimes that's just how it shakes out. You 80 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 1: kind of don't get to pick your fan base. Sometimes 81 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 1: you put the workout and you hope it, you hope 82 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 1: it lands, and when it lands, you're happy because. 83 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 2: You have a career. It is what it is. 84 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 1: But you know what, there is a shadow side to 85 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 1: this that there are listeners that no matter what you do, 86 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:35,719 Speaker 1: you can't convince them that an artist is good. They've 87 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 1: just decided, despite any sort of metrics or evidence, that 88 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 1: you can't be like, nah, that fool's dope. They've just 89 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:49,919 Speaker 1: decided that this artist sucks, that they're whack, or they're corny. 90 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 1: And a lot of times artists that are corny, I 91 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:55,280 Speaker 1: think I've talked about this before, are actually they have 92 00:04:55,400 --> 00:05:00,599 Speaker 1: rabid fan bases, have fan bases as dedicated to them 93 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:04,119 Speaker 1: as as anyone can be. And they are also people 94 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:06,920 Speaker 1: you can't argue with. They just that that person could 95 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:08,599 Speaker 1: do no wrong. But at the same time, there are 96 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 1: people that are just like, no matter what you do, 97 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:13,599 Speaker 1: you're corny. And I'm sorry to say about these artists 98 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 1: because again, these artists have rabid fan bases. Logic is 99 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 1: one of those dudes. People have just decided he's corny. 100 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 1: And I've opened for Logic before. He's a dope ass rapper. 101 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:29,040 Speaker 1: He's in and like and he's done amazing things. Corda, 102 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:30,679 Speaker 1: I think cordays dope. 103 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 2: I get it. 104 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 1: People think he's corny, and it's just there's nothing he 105 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 1: could I don't know, there's no songs he can put out. 106 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 1: This song with freaking Anderson Pac is like incredible. I 107 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 1: don't know, you guys just think he's corny. Dax y'all 108 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:47,680 Speaker 1: just think he's I don't hopson, But these people have 109 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 1: fan bases that have carried them for decades. But there's 110 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:55,360 Speaker 1: other people you just can't. There's just no amount of facts. 111 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:59,480 Speaker 1: They've just decided you can't argue it, can't argue with Jakofan. 112 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 1: The question is why that's what I want to talk 113 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 1: about in our politics today? 114 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 2: Why are we like this? And why would I even 115 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:07,840 Speaker 2: bring this up? 116 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 1: Is because I don't know what the hell Joe Biden 117 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 1: gonna do little politics, y'all. 118 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 2: All right, y'all. 119 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:30,480 Speaker 1: I want to talk about sort of the scoreboard for 120 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:36,919 Speaker 1: the Biden administration and why is it not connecting in 121 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:40,480 Speaker 1: how this ain't gonna work for him for some reason. 122 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:44,480 Speaker 1: But before I do that, a little tap in about 123 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 1: pop culture. 124 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:46,599 Speaker 2: Y'all. See the flying Felon. 125 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 1: Homeboy jumped over the bench and attacked the judge. So 126 00:06:57,160 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 1: the clip this, I mean, it's happened in January. I'm 127 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:01,359 Speaker 1: not sure exactly when this episode is coming out, but 128 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 1: it happened like almost the same week as the Cat 129 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 1: Williams interview where this man was standing before the judge 130 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 1: giving his final plea about like I'm a change man. 131 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 1: Like it's sentencing I'm a change man. It's not like 132 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 1: who it is any I used to be. I've made 133 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 1: a difference. I don't drink, I don't smoke anymore. Like 134 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 1: I'm different now and if you give me a chance, 135 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 1: then you know, I'll show you how different I am. 136 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 1: And the judge listens, you know, calmly, and it's like, well, 137 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 1: I still think you need to you know, pay for 138 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 1: your choices, and he goes. 139 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 2: No, fuck that bitch ed he runs and he jumps 140 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 2: over the bench and like slide. 141 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 1: Tackles and the bailiff had to come and pull the 142 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 1: man off. And it was just like you actually, and 143 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 1: I think it was the way that he jumped was 144 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 1: so funny because you have you know, if you if 145 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 1: you know these these they work. Like the judge sits 146 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 1: on high, you got to jump up over the thing. 147 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 2: And it looks so ritten ridiculous. 148 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 1: And then to follow up the clip later is him 149 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 1: singing a song about how sorry he is standing on the. 150 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 2: Man this year came out swinging die anyway. That was hilarious. 151 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:18,679 Speaker 2: But back to what we're supposed to talk about. 152 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 1: There's certain fandoms you can't argue with, Like for organs, 153 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 1: there's no there's just no data you could give. They 154 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 1: know especially with Cold fans. Them fools will cite to 155 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 1: you bars of freestyles, they'll give you lines in features 156 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:39,079 Speaker 1: like they just they the homework that they know about 157 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:42,200 Speaker 1: this man, and we'll just be like and then we'll 158 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 1: argue about well he produced it all in this and this, 159 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 1: and sometimes I can say, listen, as somebody who's a 160 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:48,960 Speaker 1: fan of Coal and a fan of good hip hop, 161 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 1: there are moments that I'm just like, I don't know, man, 162 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 1: this beat is kind of so so to me. He 163 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:55,719 Speaker 1: barring out on it, but it's just it's kind of 164 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 1: I wish he would have had somebody come in here, like, 165 00:08:57,679 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 1: you can't say that because that means you hate Cold. 166 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 1: That means you I don't know hip hop like you 167 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:04,320 Speaker 1: just there are people you just can't argue, which there's 168 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 1: no reasoning with Jacob fans. And like I said in 169 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:11,080 Speaker 1: the opposite, there are some people that have decided that 170 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 1: Jay Call is trash. I don't get them despite any 171 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:18,840 Speaker 1: evidence of this being a verifiably good song. Or like 172 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:21,319 Speaker 1: I said, there are artists that people have just decided 173 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 1: are corny and without there's no like, there's no like, 174 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:27,200 Speaker 1: well what about the music, Like look at the scoreboard like, 175 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:30,199 Speaker 1: look at the music. The streaming numbers. Streaming numbers don't matter. 176 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:31,960 Speaker 1: People don't know what they talk. Okay, Okay, Well then 177 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 1: let's not look at the streaming numbers. Well let's look at. 178 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 2: Just bar like. 179 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 1: It's the songs a vibe like you wouldn't bang in 180 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 1: the club. Well, nigga, you not make your club music like, 181 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 1: I don't understand. There's no reasoning. So I don't know 182 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 1: how you can win an election when this is uh 183 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 1: the people you're trying to court. Like we said in 184 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 1: previous episodes, if gravity worked the way we understood it 185 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:59,439 Speaker 1: to work, if the laws of physics that govern the 186 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:03,679 Speaker 1: universe worked the way we thought they did, then the 187 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 1: idea of a man facing ninety one criminal charges, who 188 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 1: has faced impeachment twice and still believes he won an 189 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:15,440 Speaker 1: election that he verifiably lost, and even when he tried 190 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 1: to take that to the Supreme Court or to the 191 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 1: courts and they all said, nah, fam, you lost. One 192 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:25,599 Speaker 1: would think that this spritzer bottle of water I have 193 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:27,840 Speaker 1: for my plants that are sitting on my desk could 194 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:33,560 Speaker 1: get elected president if you're running against a person who 195 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:37,960 Speaker 1: sparked an insurrection when they lost, Like one would think 196 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:39,960 Speaker 1: that this would be the most obvious. 197 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 2: You could be a wet noodle and wind. 198 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 1: I don't understand how anyone running against this person would 199 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 1: have a problem. But as we know, the laws of 200 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 1: physics don't work the way that we thought they did. 201 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:53,679 Speaker 1: And then when you talk about like the way we 202 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:57,560 Speaker 1: think of Joe Biden, I again, as you've heard before, 203 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 1: I'm not a Biden stand but if you just finished 204 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 1: YO four years, you should be able to point at 205 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:05,560 Speaker 1: your track reck and be like, Yo, here's what I did, 206 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:07,960 Speaker 1: Here's what I couldn't do. I'm gonna get into some 207 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 1: of those data points, and then I want to kind 208 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 1: of discuss with y'all, like, are we like I think 209 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 1: we're ja cole fans when it comes to Joe Biden, 210 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 1: And I think what that has to do with is 211 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 1: it just some stuff just don't feel like what you're 212 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:25,199 Speaker 1: saying it is, Let's get into it. 213 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 2: They call it five economics. 214 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 1: By most of the metrics we normally use, which I 215 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 1: am going to talk about a little later, like maybe 216 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 1: that's part of the problem, but by the metrics that 217 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 1: we use, like Joe could at least have a B 218 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:19,439 Speaker 1: minus in what he tried to do. 219 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 2: Our gas prices are down. Now. 220 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:24,200 Speaker 1: Granted, I've told y'all before the president has very little 221 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 1: to do with gas prices, but the country always blames 222 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 1: the gas prices on the president, like, do something about 223 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 1: these gas prices. They so high, but when they go down, 224 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 1: don't Nobody got nothing to say. So I was saying 225 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 1: that even when Trump was president, where I was like, 226 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 1: all these gas prices are up, somebody do some of 227 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 1: us Like, well, he ain't really got nothing to do 228 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:44,080 Speaker 1: with the gas prices are down. Well, he kind of 229 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 1: really don't have much to do with that, but the 230 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 1: country seems to think so. So we can say, like, 231 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:56,200 Speaker 1: verifiably gas is down. Last year, the average for twenty 232 00:12:56,240 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 1: twenty two was five dollars and ninety eight cents. This 233 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:03,840 Speaker 1: year it's four thousand and seventy eight cents nationally average 234 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 1: US price per gallon now, Granted, in twenty twenty one 235 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 1: and twenty twenty it was like like fifty five cents, 236 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:11,680 Speaker 1: but that's because we was in a pandemic. 237 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 2: Nobody was driving. 238 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:14,439 Speaker 1: That's that don't count, Like what was you supposed to 239 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:19,560 Speaker 1: do for that? Right, we could say crime is verifiably 240 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 1: down overall, like it's it's at you know, pre pandemic numbers. 241 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 2: Crime. 242 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 1: There's two thousand less homicides this year than there was 243 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:30,840 Speaker 1: last year. Crimes at like the level of like the sixties. 244 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:34,440 Speaker 1: But the last poll when you poll Americans now again 245 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 1: we've talked about again like what is a pole It 246 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 1: is like a Yelp review, Like, I mean, who really 247 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:42,839 Speaker 1: does that? But eighty percent of Americans feel like crime 248 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 1: is up. Unemployments down from eight point one percent to 249 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 1: five percent. Like you these these infrastructure things where it's 250 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 1: like I'm gonna get these bridges built now. Granted I 251 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 1: get that one, because you're not gonna see the bridge 252 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:56,560 Speaker 1: being built until fifteen years. 253 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 2: From now, so you won't know that. But he's created 254 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:01,439 Speaker 2: some w they're saying. 255 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:05,319 Speaker 1: This is really where it gets crazy that the economy 256 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:09,719 Speaker 1: is good, But how come why is none of this translating? 257 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 1: Why like why do we still like, oh, I ain't 258 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:14,959 Speaker 1: doing nothing, because there are things that he's taken serious. 259 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:17,800 Speaker 1: L's on like we could talk about removing moving out 260 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 1: of Afghanistan. Now at some point we had to leave. 261 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 1: There was just that kind of like you inherited chaos, 262 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 1: like there was I mean what was he supposed to do? 263 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 1: It's still l that falls into his category. Even though 264 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 1: he inherited that L, it still falls on him. The 265 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 1: way he's handling Israel in Gaza is probably probably one 266 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 1: of the main things is gonna cost him his election. Now, 267 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 1: granted again, there's a lot going on behind closed doors. 268 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 1: That again, if you if you if you know gangsters, 269 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 1: then like a lot of times you gotta or or 270 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 1: if anything like black Mama's like, they'll never drag you 271 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 1: in public, but when you get home, ooh lord. Right, 272 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 1: So there might be that going on with with Biden. 273 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 1: But either way, the point is according to the rest 274 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 1: of the world, how you look in like the way 275 00:14:57,400 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 1: you your inaction and the way that you spending money 276 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 1: right now out the way that the way that you 277 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 1: keep sending weapons over there like cuz this might cause 278 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 1: you your election. 279 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 2: That is an absolute L. I don't know where the 280 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 2: hell Kamala being. 281 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 1: But that being said, he's got some w some things 282 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 1: that we've been complaining about. The administration pulled off. But yo, 283 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 1: am I the first person to tell you this, Have 284 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 1: you known these things? 285 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 2: No? 286 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:29,280 Speaker 1: Like nobody Why can't one would think if you if 287 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 1: you've been a run against somebody that's a felon. Even 288 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 1: if you, even if you didn't do these things, you 289 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 1: didn't seem like you wouldn't even have to tell nobody 290 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 1: because this feels so out of this world. But you, 291 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 1: but you need to point to your scoreboard, show us 292 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 1: some receipts. And even if he shows us receipts, he 293 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 1: uses the lame term like bidnomics like nigga come on, 294 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 1: like that's a dumb ass, like stand on business. I 295 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 1: don't understand why this isn't translating. Well, actually I think 296 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 1: I do know. Remember the Black episode and I talked 297 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 1: about like bar for bar like these there's not many 298 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:11,440 Speaker 1: rappers better than him what Joe Biden has in this 299 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 1: whole setup. I'm talking about why you can't argue with 300 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 1: his fans, or why you can't argue with people who 301 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:22,600 Speaker 1: just hate it, who just are like he's corny. And 302 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 1: of course the Trump thing, like I mean, that's. 303 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 2: Some cold energy going on over there. That's not what 304 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 2: I'm talking about. 305 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 1: This is something very specific having to do with messaging 306 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 1: in your brand, in your in your in your campaign. 307 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 1: And Joe Biden's problem is not just Joe Biden's problem. 308 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 1: It's the democrats problem. It's it's the liberal problem. It's 309 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 1: not only a the liberal problem. I personally believe it's 310 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 1: the problem of modern American power. There's a disconnect between 311 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 1: the data and our experiences, except the data is supposed 312 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 1: to be measuring our experiences. Either way, the math isn't mathing. 313 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 1: What you're saying is not what feeling. It don't feel 314 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 1: like it for better or for worse. They're calling it 315 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 1: vibe economics, where you know, all the markers that we 316 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:12,120 Speaker 1: have are saying that our economy is good. So how 317 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 1: come nobody thinks the economy is good but the book 318 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 1: says it's good. Then the problem is the book. It's 319 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 1: not us reading it. It's what you're using to say. 320 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:26,120 Speaker 1: What makes something good or not is wrong. Our normal 321 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:29,360 Speaker 1: metrics of ways, again are based on laws of physics 322 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:31,720 Speaker 1: where gravity goes down and. 323 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 2: Water is wet. 324 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:36,399 Speaker 1: One would think that, just like if you can sing, 325 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 1: you can have a singing career. One would think that 326 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 1: the better singer would be the most popular singer. It 327 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:47,439 Speaker 1: is just not true. That's just not how really how 328 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:51,119 Speaker 1: the laws of physics work. The issue is it's not 329 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:54,080 Speaker 1: so much that the economy is good or bad. The 330 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:57,639 Speaker 1: issue is how you measure it. There's a section in 331 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 1: my book, in the Possibility chapter of the Terror Form 332 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 1: poetry book. 333 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:04,480 Speaker 2: Where I discussed this. 334 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 1: Story of legend of some scientists Vaughan Liechtenstein something. I 335 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 1: forget the dude's name, it's in the book. I forget 336 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:18,359 Speaker 1: his name, but anyway, he was asking one of his 337 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 1: students and like, this story may have happened or may 338 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 1: not have happened, but the. 339 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:25,399 Speaker 2: Point is this. He was asking his student. 340 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 1: Why was Copernicus such a big deal? Copernicus was the 341 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:37,359 Speaker 1: guy that you know, discovered that or observed that the 342 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:40,359 Speaker 1: Earth was going around the Sun rather than the Sun 343 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:47,200 Speaker 1: going around the Earth, right, heliocentric. And the student was like, well, 344 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:50,040 Speaker 1: because it doesn't look like it. Because when you look 345 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:52,080 Speaker 1: at the if you are on the ground, you look 346 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:56,200 Speaker 1: at the Sun, it looks like it's moving, it looks 347 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 1: like it's spinning around us. 348 00:18:57,600 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 2: What it looks like? 349 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:02,160 Speaker 1: And then the dude asked him, Okay, The teacher asked him, well, 350 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 1: what would it look like if it looked like the 351 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:10,639 Speaker 1: Earth was rotating around the sun. You know what it 352 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 1: would look like exactly how it looks now, it wouldn't 353 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:18,639 Speaker 1: look any different because that is what it's doing. The 354 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:23,720 Speaker 1: point I'm making is your way of measuring something rather 355 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 1: than saying something wrong with our eyes, something wrong with 356 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 1: your measurements. 357 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:30,679 Speaker 2: Oh oh, let's. 358 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:34,359 Speaker 1: Say the difference between the rap i came from West Coast, 359 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 1: whether it's underground or even just street stuff, versus rap 360 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 1: from New Orleans down south from Atlanta, you know, like 361 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:46,960 Speaker 1: the young slime dudes, the young thugs of the world 362 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 1: who you know, good luck on Yo, Rico. The thing 363 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:53,200 Speaker 1: about that is our music out here, in a lot 364 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:57,800 Speaker 1: of ways comes from jazz and funk. And if you 365 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 1: play the funk and when you put the stink on it, 366 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 1: you gotta actually know how to play like them funk players. 367 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 1: Good God, you gotta like, you gotta you gotta, you 368 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 1: gotta shred, you gotta know that instrument jazz is the same. 369 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:14,959 Speaker 1: It gets to the point to where it's so envant garde, 370 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:18,359 Speaker 1: it's so good that it can be hard to listen 371 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 1: to if you not listen, if you're not really into that. 372 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 1: That's that underground West Coast, even some of the gangster stuff, 373 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 1: when it gets like real street shit, it's like if 374 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:31,600 Speaker 1: you can't relate to this. I actually understand Southern music 375 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:36,640 Speaker 1: come from the blues. It gotta feel right, that's see. 376 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:39,159 Speaker 1: That's the thing with the blues. The blues gotta this. 377 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:44,480 Speaker 1: You can't play the blues correctly because playing it doesn't 378 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:49,399 Speaker 1: make it the blues. It's how it feels is what 379 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 1: makes it blue. Now that don't mean they not playing 380 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:57,479 Speaker 1: the ass off. That these musicians are not sophisticated in 381 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 1: a way that like you couldn't imagine. And that's not 382 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I'm just saying the sophistication of it 383 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 1: is only one ingredient. So that's Southern trap. It gotta 384 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:11,240 Speaker 1: feel like they gotta feel like you. You you you 385 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 1: gotta feel the sticky humidity, you gotta you gotta feel it. 386 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:17,520 Speaker 1: That a ball and MJG. You know what I'm saying 387 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:20,919 Speaker 1: that that ugk. It just feel like the chop the 388 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 1: DJ screw it just it just feel like texts like 389 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:27,480 Speaker 1: you sitting sideways supposed to crook it in the slab 390 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 1: like bro. 391 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:31,119 Speaker 2: It just it just feel like it. 392 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 1: Paul wallwork because he feel like Houston, and I mean 393 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:36,160 Speaker 1: he wrapping his ass off. 394 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 2: But it it just feel right. 395 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 1: So when you get these young people talking about future 396 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:44,280 Speaker 1: and two chains are the greatest rappers are all times, 397 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 1: and I'm like, nigga, y'all can't be serious. 398 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 2: It's because it feel right. 399 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:51,119 Speaker 1: And then you got these outliers like Wayne who just 400 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 1: who are actually like lyricists, but he from New Outlands, 401 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 1: so it feel like New York when you start talking 402 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 1: about the economy, at least, not when we start talking 403 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 1: about the economy. When depundits and the politicians start talking 404 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:10,200 Speaker 1: about economy, they talk about stock market, they're talking about 405 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:16,880 Speaker 1: interest rates, they're talking about GDP and exports and the 406 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:21,160 Speaker 1: cost of milk. Average homeowner age is forty nine, which 407 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:22,640 Speaker 1: the fuck you care about no interest rate. 408 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:25,359 Speaker 2: Your credit card is your credit card. I mean like 409 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 2: it is what it is. 410 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:29,960 Speaker 1: But even in the way that they're talking about it, 411 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 1: they're talking about national trends. And the problem is nobody 412 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:40,720 Speaker 1: lives in national Nobody lives in the United States. We 413 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:46,360 Speaker 1: live in Los Angeles, we live in Seattle. We live 414 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 1: in Toadsuck, Arkansas, which is a city. 415 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:51,399 Speaker 2: That I've been at and performed in. It's pretty great. 416 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:54,359 Speaker 1: We don't live national. We live in our city. So 417 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 1: when you talk about economy. What we mean is how 418 00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 1: much money I got and do I got more bills 419 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 1: than I got money? 420 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:04,200 Speaker 2: Was it like this last year? 421 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,480 Speaker 1: If I feel like I'm if I feel like I'm broke, 422 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 1: it's not because I feel like I'm broke, Nigga, I'm broke. 423 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:13,119 Speaker 2: I haven't made less money. 424 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:15,320 Speaker 1: If you're talking about average America mea as a business, 425 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 1: I absolutely have. All I know is groceries used to 426 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:21,480 Speaker 1: cost me three hundred dollars a week now cost me 427 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:24,240 Speaker 1: five hundred dollars a week. How can you stand there 428 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 1: and tell me nationally our economy is better when everything 429 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:30,720 Speaker 1: costs two hundred dollars more. I'm making the same amount 430 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 1: of money and you raising my rent talking about costs 431 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:36,080 Speaker 1: to living. Problem with the Democrats and why nobody listening 432 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 1: to you is because what you saying is I'm wrong. 433 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 1: What they're saying is my experience is wrong. You trying 434 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 1: to tell them, you're you're telling me no, no, no, no, no, 435 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 1: you don't understand the economy. Unemployment rate is down. I'm like, 436 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:50,199 Speaker 1: nigga ware, they're like all of America. I'm like, I 437 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 1: don't live in all of America. I live right here 438 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 1: and right here All I see is the tents, the 439 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:01,120 Speaker 1: motor homes all across the street, right off the freeway. 440 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 1: All I see is my little nephew still can't get work. 441 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 1: So I don't care about no national unemployment rate. I'm 442 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:11,840 Speaker 1: talking about here where I'm at, This is what I'm experiencing. 443 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:52,360 Speaker 1: I know why we have those matrices because they're supposed 444 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 1: to be able to measure the individual experience. But if 445 00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:59,639 Speaker 1: you're trying to communicate your wins, I don't understand why 446 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:02,200 Speaker 1: you're not talking about the individual experience. Like why don't 447 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:04,360 Speaker 1: y'all understand you got to stop talking in these things 448 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:06,240 Speaker 1: in the ways that y'all talk, because the ways that 449 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:08,960 Speaker 1: y'all talk is almost like saying that I'm stupid. You 450 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 1: trying to tell me that I'm not experiencing what I 451 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:14,680 Speaker 1: know I'm experiencing. You want me to not believe my eyes? Now, 452 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:18,280 Speaker 1: in their defense, how do you you got to be 453 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:19,200 Speaker 1: able to quantify? 454 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:21,560 Speaker 2: Feel right? How do you quantify that? 455 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:25,080 Speaker 1: I need to be able to quantify with the data 456 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 1: the experience that you say you kind of feeling. I 457 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:30,679 Speaker 1: can't what do I do? I can't do nothing with 458 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:34,960 Speaker 1: vibes they don't feel right, Like I mean, I got 459 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 1: you gotta have a number. I have to have a 460 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:39,959 Speaker 1: way to say even when we talk about jazz and blues, 461 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,360 Speaker 1: if you like I said, it's like blues gotta feel right. 462 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 2: Well, how do you know it feels right? 463 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:46,159 Speaker 1: Oh? I just does, Like I can't. What do I 464 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 1: do with that? You know what I'm saying, Like, you 465 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:51,280 Speaker 1: need a way to measure it. So this is what 466 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 1: we've come up with so far. I'm gonna talk about 467 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:56,440 Speaker 1: the crime thing. It's the same situation. I don't live 468 00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:58,360 Speaker 1: in the crime rates of America. I live in Los 469 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:03,400 Speaker 1: Angeles now. Me as somebody at my age, I personally 470 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:05,840 Speaker 1: don't understand how anybody thinks the crime is run up 471 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,399 Speaker 1: because it's almost like y'all forgot the nineties, y'all forgot 472 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:12,400 Speaker 1: the eighties. I mean, this is we're on different planets 473 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:15,800 Speaker 1: the crime that we experienced when we was younger. Oh, nigga, 474 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 1: this is nothing. I like, I don't want to hear it. 475 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:22,920 Speaker 1: But the problem is, we just lived through a pandemic, 476 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:25,840 Speaker 1: and in the pandemic, the climb the crime spiked. 477 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,000 Speaker 2: Why did it spike? Nigga? Duh? 478 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:29,920 Speaker 1: Do I really need to explain this to you? Why 479 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:31,879 Speaker 1: the crime spiked. Do I need to explain you that 480 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,560 Speaker 1: crime is a social construct? What do I mean by that? 481 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:38,080 Speaker 1: You're pushing real hard here, prop Well, because if I 482 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:40,480 Speaker 1: were to walk through the forest and pick up a 483 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:42,880 Speaker 1: berry and eat it, that's called foraging. 484 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:44,440 Speaker 2: It's just it's the. 485 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:47,439 Speaker 1: Forest, it's the ground. There's a barrier there. I know 486 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:49,000 Speaker 1: it's not poisonous, it's good for me. 487 00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:53,400 Speaker 2: I ate it. Well, crime would say that forest belongs 488 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 2: to the state, and you stole that barry, No, you 489 00:26:58,160 --> 00:26:59,399 Speaker 2: stole it. Nigga. 490 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,959 Speaker 1: What if there's an orange, There's a house that has 491 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,639 Speaker 1: an orange tree and one of the oranges fell on 492 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:07,600 Speaker 1: the sidewalk and I ate the orange. Did I steal 493 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,880 Speaker 1: that orange? You'd say? It depends on the law. That's 494 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,040 Speaker 1: my point. It's a construct. You see what I'm trying 495 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:17,119 Speaker 1: to say. So now that being said, I mean, nigga, 496 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,320 Speaker 1: you murdered somebody. You murdered somebody like I like. But 497 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:24,640 Speaker 1: the point I'm making is that in the pandemic we had, 498 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,440 Speaker 1: there was no resources, Like where was no way where 499 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:31,119 Speaker 1: you're supposed to get food. When listen, Hurricane Katrina happened 500 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,160 Speaker 1: and there was no food. Were the people going into 501 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 1: the grocery stores grabbing a loaf of bread. Were they 502 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 1: scavenging or were they looters? It depends on they melon it. 503 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,680 Speaker 1: Let's be real. So the point I'm trying to make 504 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:48,719 Speaker 1: is the pandemic was a different story. We like, nobody 505 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:51,960 Speaker 1: in our generation ever seen none like this. So the 506 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:55,679 Speaker 1: crime spiked went down and then went back up. So 507 00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 1: people are like, crime rates are up, But the point 508 00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:02,200 Speaker 1: is they're even with that. They're up from twenty nineteen, 509 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:08,160 Speaker 1: but now they're down below twenty nineteen. That's the national 510 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:12,760 Speaker 1: crime rates DC. They up twenty percent. Because people don't 511 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,720 Speaker 1: live national they live in a city. So you could 512 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:17,399 Speaker 1: tell me about the crime rates. But I know if 513 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:19,400 Speaker 1: my car got broken into, my car got broken into, 514 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:21,720 Speaker 1: I don't get fucking nothing about your national numbers my 515 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:24,480 Speaker 1: car got broken into, or if you live out in 516 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,600 Speaker 1: the burbs. I feel like again because I lived through 517 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:30,159 Speaker 1: the eighties. Baby, this ain't nothing, Joe saying, I was 518 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:31,399 Speaker 1: a teenager in the nineties. 519 00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:35,399 Speaker 2: Baby, this ain't nothing. So to me, it don't. It 520 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 2: don't feel like it. 521 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:38,480 Speaker 1: When I go to San Francisco and you tell me 522 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:42,440 Speaker 1: San Francisco is a raging war zone, it might be 523 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:47,080 Speaker 1: I got homies in San Francisco. They not complaining. They 524 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,640 Speaker 1: get up and go to they morning jiu jitsu and 525 00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:53,040 Speaker 1: drop their kids off at school, go to the park 526 00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 1: and have picnics and go home like, I just I 527 00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:59,280 Speaker 1: don't it's a matter of experience. Well then how do 528 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:01,560 Speaker 1: you prove it. We're not talking about proof, we talking 529 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 1: about arguing with fans. You got to know how to 530 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:07,840 Speaker 1: talk to your fans. And apparently the Democrats don't know 531 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:09,880 Speaker 1: how to talk to they fans because they talking as 532 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:14,560 Speaker 1: if the people they talking to don't understand what they're experiencing. 533 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,120 Speaker 1: In the same way that J Cole fans will be like, 534 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,040 Speaker 1: if you don't like this song, that means you don't 535 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,640 Speaker 1: like hip hop. It's like Nigga. Now, I'm like, I 536 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:22,959 Speaker 1: don't want to talk now you know it. Now I'm 537 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,960 Speaker 1: like fuck Ja Cole. And I don't really feel like that, obviously, 538 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,880 Speaker 1: But because you telling me if I don't like every 539 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,000 Speaker 1: song at every beat that Nigga made, then that means 540 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,000 Speaker 1: I don't know hip hop, I feel like I can't. 541 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:37,040 Speaker 1: You're an elitist. Now they're in lies the liberal problem. 542 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:40,160 Speaker 1: Y'all talk like elitists and everybody else don't know what 543 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,400 Speaker 1: they talking about unless they agree with you, even the 544 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,200 Speaker 1: people that was on your side, But you're talking to 545 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:46,920 Speaker 1: me like I don't know what I'm talking about all 546 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:50,440 Speaker 1: the time. So who ends up winning the argument The 547 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:54,320 Speaker 1: person that can say I'm going through what you going through. 548 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:55,640 Speaker 2: I'm one of y'all. 549 00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,120 Speaker 1: The person that can say, no, I feel what you feel, 550 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:00,600 Speaker 1: and I have felt what you felt. Here's how I 551 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:02,880 Speaker 1: overcame it. And here's what I'm gonna do for you. 552 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,600 Speaker 1: And everybody that's speaking against us is because they don't 553 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 1: feel with me and you feel, and I'm gonna show 554 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 1: you that I feel what you feel. I understand what 555 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:13,360 Speaker 1: you understand. Here's what I'm gonna do for you. And 556 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 1: when they attacked me, they are attacking you. Who that 557 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,560 Speaker 1: sounded like? That sound like the nigga facing ninety one 558 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:22,840 Speaker 1: felony despite any evidence that he has actually lived a 559 00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:26,840 Speaker 1: life in any way remotely similar to the people voting 560 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:29,160 Speaker 1: for him. You're talking about a nigga that come from wealth, 561 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,880 Speaker 1: was given a million dollars to start off, nigga lost 562 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:36,320 Speaker 1: a million dollars, got back on the nigga, been bankrupt 563 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:39,760 Speaker 1: FO five times and still got everybody believing the wealthy. 564 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:43,880 Speaker 1: The nigga that been at the Epstein Island did like that. 565 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:46,760 Speaker 1: You mean this nigga ain't no way in the world 566 00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:49,560 Speaker 1: this man got anything in common with you. But he 567 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:53,600 Speaker 1: talked like he do. You know why, because it feels right. 568 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:57,880 Speaker 1: See seated seated, see the Democrats playing jazz, Trump playing 569 00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:02,240 Speaker 1: the blues, and the blues feels right. And if you 570 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:06,240 Speaker 1: don't keep your head now, don't take don't take my 571 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:09,959 Speaker 1: analogy any further than if I am trying to make it. 572 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,160 Speaker 1: What I'm trying to make it is Trump know the 573 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:15,120 Speaker 1: notes to play. And even though body and them may 574 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:17,800 Speaker 1: have receipts, and even if you don't like the song 575 00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,640 Speaker 1: he playing, he don't know how to play his notes. 576 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,560 Speaker 1: And it's not just him, the Dems don't know how 577 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:29,040 Speaker 1: to play they notes. Because y'all got evidence, y'all got receipts. 578 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:31,880 Speaker 1: But you flashing the wrong receipts to the wrong people. 579 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,440 Speaker 1: You turning the homies against you because you talking to 580 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:38,680 Speaker 1: the homies like they stupid. Don't nobody like being talked 581 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:42,640 Speaker 1: to like they stupid. Now, what is Joe's strength? Mister 582 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,320 Speaker 1: Biden's strength is the fact that he's not a raging 583 00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:49,560 Speaker 1: criminal in a way that his opponent is. His strength 584 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:54,800 Speaker 1: is his tenderness, in the sense that the man is 585 00:31:54,880 --> 00:32:00,720 Speaker 1: lost deeply with the tragedies of his son and his wife, 586 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:06,080 Speaker 1: and his strength is his air quotes civility, which you 587 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,360 Speaker 1: know it is kind of out of style these days. 588 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:13,160 Speaker 1: But the point I'm trying to make is you can't 589 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:19,640 Speaker 1: argue with the fans good or bad. It's because the 590 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:26,240 Speaker 1: stats are weird. It's the that's the mismatch that I'm 591 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:30,880 Speaker 1: trying to get at. So when you tell me, well, 592 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:36,640 Speaker 1: biggest streaming artists is in El E Chopper, I mean 593 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:41,600 Speaker 1: I don't care. Does do the do the streaming numbers 594 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:45,520 Speaker 1: prove that he's the best rapper? No, it just proves 595 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,360 Speaker 1: he's the most streams. You can bang this in the club, 596 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:52,880 Speaker 1: you know, drake it all the bitches, okay. And then 597 00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:55,680 Speaker 1: when you talking to cold fans, nobody, I'll wrap it cold. 598 00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:57,960 Speaker 1: Listen listen to this, and they gonna go bar for bar. 599 00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,640 Speaker 1: But if you like, I don't really I don't really 600 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:05,000 Speaker 1: care about bars, then you like, well, what do you do? 601 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:06,960 Speaker 1: I say, well, that means you don't know hip hop? 602 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,000 Speaker 1: Or do I say, oh, what do you care about. 603 00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:15,240 Speaker 1: It's not your job to teach to teach everybody that 604 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:17,040 Speaker 1: that if you don't like j Cole, you don't love 605 00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:20,600 Speaker 1: hip hop, like that's you're missing the point. 606 00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:22,320 Speaker 2: Joe. 607 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:25,239 Speaker 1: For what it's worth, Bro, you got to stand on 608 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:29,960 Speaker 1: business and not just Joe. Democrats, Democrats, y'all gotta stand 609 00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,400 Speaker 1: on business. And if people don't understand, don't shrug them 610 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:38,080 Speaker 1: off like they stupid you, running you, running them into 611 00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:42,280 Speaker 1: the other dude's arms. Somehow you got a brand where 612 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:46,840 Speaker 1: you to you the brand of the elite while trying 613 00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:51,240 Speaker 1: to do things that are by and large more lean, 614 00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:55,040 Speaker 1: more social. How the hell you pull that off? But 615 00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:58,160 Speaker 1: ultimately my critique really isn't just about the Democrats. It's 616 00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,920 Speaker 1: about our measuring system. I really think when people talk 617 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,760 Speaker 1: about the economy and if I could stand on, if 618 00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:05,640 Speaker 1: I could die on any hill, I wish it would 619 00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,920 Speaker 1: be that that the measurements we use to measure the 620 00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:13,960 Speaker 1: economy are calibrated for a human that does not exist. 621 00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:18,560 Speaker 1: It's calibrated on an experience that nobody's actually having. The 622 00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:22,600 Speaker 1: problem is that's just how statistics work. It's a large 623 00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:26,440 Speaker 1: data set of a lot of people, and you're trying 624 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:31,560 Speaker 1: to find the most consistent experience, but that consistent experience 625 00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:35,239 Speaker 1: is calibrated towards an average person. The problem is there 626 00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:38,919 Speaker 1: is no average person. I don't understand why y'all can't 627 00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:43,359 Speaker 1: make your economic matrix be based on the way that 628 00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,600 Speaker 1: we experience the economy. And you're gonna tell me it 629 00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:52,840 Speaker 1: already is jobs, homeowner prices, cost the food, cost the living. 630 00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:54,239 Speaker 2: That's how we measure it. 631 00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:57,879 Speaker 1: But the people is telling you how you measuring it 632 00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:01,040 Speaker 1: is not how we're experiencing it. Honestly, until I became 633 00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:04,279 Speaker 1: a businessman owner, what you said the economy was doing 634 00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:06,319 Speaker 1: good or bad made me no difference. It had to 635 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:09,400 Speaker 1: do with did I have enough money for my needs 636 00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:15,279 Speaker 1: the experience, And honestly, I feel like before we start 637 00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:21,680 Speaker 1: talking about why the voters aren't seeing what the numbers 638 00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:25,320 Speaker 1: are saying, maybe we should change the numbers. 639 00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:27,200 Speaker 2: I'm gonna leave you with this analogy. 640 00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:32,520 Speaker 1: When I was a little kid, our pastor, Pastor Rene Dirtfield, 641 00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,520 Speaker 1: I had a girl pastor. Because again I come from 642 00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:39,279 Speaker 1: a different tradition than you do. She gave us this 643 00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:43,799 Speaker 1: example of this guy that went to the doctor and 644 00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:47,279 Speaker 1: he said man, and the doctor was like, yo, what's 645 00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:49,560 Speaker 1: the problem. And he was like, man, every place I 646 00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:52,080 Speaker 1: touch hurts. He was like, oh, tell me more. I 647 00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:54,640 Speaker 1: touched my shoulder, Oh my god, it it hurts. I 648 00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:57,040 Speaker 1: touched my knee, Dang, it hurts. And then I touched 649 00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:59,560 Speaker 1: my stomach and like, oh my god, it just hurts 650 00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:03,319 Speaker 1: so bad. And doctor says, all right, well, I have 651 00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:07,040 Speaker 1: a solution for you. And then then the guy was like, yeah, man, 652 00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:10,879 Speaker 1: I've tried everything, like nothing works. What's the problem, It says, 653 00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:14,640 Speaker 1: where your finger's broken? The politics? 654 00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:15,279 Speaker 2: Y'all? 655 00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,040 Speaker 1: All right, now, don't you hit stop on this pod. 656 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:32,400 Speaker 1: You better listen to these credits. I need you to 657 00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:36,240 Speaker 1: finish this thing so I can get the download numbers. Okay, 658 00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:40,840 Speaker 1: so don't stop it yet, but listen. This was recorded 659 00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:45,560 Speaker 1: in East Lost, boil Heights by your boy Propaganda. Tap 660 00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,279 Speaker 1: in with me at prop hip hop dot com. If 661 00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:51,640 Speaker 1: you're in the Coldbrew coffee we got terraform Coldbrew. 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