1 00:00:01,340 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:14,780 Speaker 1: of iHeartRadio. Hello and happy Friday. I'm Holly Frey. And 3 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 1: I'm Tracy V. Wilson. Oh boy, did we talk about 4 00:00:17,620 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 1: Percy Fawcett this week. For the whole week, yeah. And 5 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 1: Manuscript 512, an exploration in Brazil. Yep. And the really, 6 00:00:26,260 --> 00:00:31,020 Speaker 1: really awful ways Europeans treated the indigenous peoples there. Mm-hmm. 7 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:35,310 Speaker 1: And all of it. There's so much extra fascinating stuff 8 00:00:36,070 --> 00:00:40,430 Speaker 1: that didn't make it, obviously, because there's tomes. There's so much. 9 00:00:40,570 --> 00:00:44,650 Speaker 1: There's so much. I am fascinated by Percy Fawcett. I 10 00:00:44,690 --> 00:00:47,240 Speaker 1: have zero hero worship of him, which is how a 11 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 1: lot of stories about him kind of get told. And 12 00:00:50,340 --> 00:00:52,460 Speaker 1: he was very accomplished, and I don't want to detract 13 00:00:52,500 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 1: from that. But there's also part of me that's like, 14 00:00:55,680 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 1: this is why people need therapy. Yeah. Because I just, 15 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 1: I mean, I really feel like a lot of his 16 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 1: draw away from Europe and his family into this life 17 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 1: of adventure had to do with stuff that he was 18 00:01:12,900 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 1: maybe not dealing with in other ways. But that's just 19 00:01:15,459 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 1: my take on it. There is a lot of interesting 20 00:01:18,100 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 1: stuff about him that I did not include. I also 21 00:01:21,740 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 1: will say reading his accounts is entertaining when it's not 22 00:01:26,700 --> 00:01:32,460 Speaker 1: the gross, condescending... racist stuff. Sometimes his turns of phrase 23 00:01:32,500 --> 00:01:35,140 Speaker 1: are quite funny. There was one that I wrote down 24 00:01:35,180 --> 00:01:39,119 Speaker 1: that said, the clean freshness of the Pacific welcomed us 25 00:01:39,220 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 1: when the fever-haunted Goyas River vomited us out on its 26 00:01:43,100 --> 00:01:45,300 Speaker 1: muddy tide. Oh, dear. And I was like, oh, look 27 00:01:45,340 --> 00:01:48,050 Speaker 1: at you. I quite like that. That's gross, but okay. 28 00:01:49,250 --> 00:01:51,050 Speaker 1: One of the other things we didn't talk about, and 29 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:53,630 Speaker 1: it is part and parcel of that whole problem of 30 00:01:54,250 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 1: the way that these Indigenous people have been treated by 31 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 1: so many, is that when the skeleton was found, there 32 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:11,310 Speaker 1: was apparently some sort of deal made that the people 33 00:02:11,870 --> 00:02:15,950 Speaker 1: that were spoken with that agreed to show that person 34 00:02:16,550 --> 00:02:20,710 Speaker 1: where Fawcett was buried, they were supposed to get some 35 00:02:20,770 --> 00:02:25,310 Speaker 1: sort of compensation out of it. And after the fact 36 00:02:25,490 --> 00:02:28,739 Speaker 1: they did, question mark. I mean, they did. But like 37 00:02:29,100 --> 00:02:30,459 Speaker 1: when I tell you what it was, you're going to 38 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:34,859 Speaker 1: be like, because I was because it's so clearly another 39 00:02:34,900 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 1: of those instances of like these people have no sense 40 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:39,820 Speaker 1: of what value is. So we'll just dump some worthless 41 00:02:39,860 --> 00:02:43,119 Speaker 1: crap on them. They literally did a flyover and they 42 00:02:43,180 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 1: dropped 10 pounds of glass beads and a roll of 43 00:02:46,820 --> 00:02:49,650 Speaker 1: fishing line that was worth seventy five dollars. And that's 44 00:02:49,669 --> 00:02:52,250 Speaker 1: what was reported in the paper as the fair trade 45 00:02:52,310 --> 00:03:00,450 Speaker 1: on all of this. And I'm just like, wow, OK, what? What? What? And, like, 46 00:03:01,490 --> 00:03:03,650 Speaker 1: you should hide that information, not publish it in the 47 00:03:03,669 --> 00:03:07,350 Speaker 1: paper like you're proud of it. Yeah. So gross. So gross. 48 00:03:08,730 --> 00:03:14,340 Speaker 1: There is also a PBS episode on Secrets of the 49 00:03:14,380 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 1: Dead about Fawcett and this expedition. Yeah. That is entertaining 50 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 1: to watch. Okay. And I don't want to, you know... 51 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:28,510 Speaker 1: throw shade at anybody involved, but it definitely focuses a 52 00:03:28,540 --> 00:03:32,770 Speaker 1: lot more on the hocus-pocus side of things. Uh-huh. Which 53 00:03:32,830 --> 00:03:35,150 Speaker 1: is fun to talk about, but not worthy of being 54 00:03:35,170 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 1: in the episode. Uh-huh. Like, one of the moments in it... 55 00:03:38,730 --> 00:03:42,990 Speaker 1: And there is some very real, like, research and discovery 56 00:03:43,030 --> 00:03:44,650 Speaker 1: work that goes on in it, but there are also 57 00:03:44,710 --> 00:03:48,790 Speaker 1: some things that I'm like... Yeah. There is this one 58 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:55,119 Speaker 1: through-line through it about how Fawcett had become... so fascinated 59 00:03:55,220 --> 00:04:03,170 Speaker 1: by mysticism and spiritualism, and specifically the writings of another 60 00:04:03,230 --> 00:04:08,510 Speaker 1: frequent appearer on the show, Helena Blavatsky. And he and 61 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 1: his wife Nina were kind of both on board with this, 62 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:17,940 Speaker 1: and they had gotten, according to some scholars, to this point, having... 63 00:04:18,589 --> 00:04:23,750 Speaker 1: read a lot of predictions and, you know, kind of spiritual, like, 64 00:04:25,210 --> 00:04:29,190 Speaker 1: claims that there was going to be a white person 65 00:04:29,410 --> 00:04:33,779 Speaker 1: born who was going to eventually have children with someone 66 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 1: from one of the tribes of Brazil and that this 67 00:04:37,140 --> 00:04:39,060 Speaker 1: would be, like, the dawn of a new era of 68 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:43,720 Speaker 1: humanity and that perhaps Nina and Percy thought that Jack 69 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:47,840 Speaker 1: was that person. Okay. And that that is why he 70 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:51,229 Speaker 1: chose to bring a son who had no experience in 71 00:04:51,260 --> 00:04:58,309 Speaker 1: exploration on a mission he himself noted constantly was incredibly dangerous. Yeah. Wow. 72 00:04:59,130 --> 00:05:01,690 Speaker 1: That's also super weird. And I don't know. And it's 73 00:05:01,710 --> 00:05:04,270 Speaker 1: one of those things that going back to conspiracy theories, 74 00:05:04,300 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 1: which we've been talking about, it's easy for people to 75 00:05:07,820 --> 00:05:10,860 Speaker 1: buy into that because there's no evidence against it. And 76 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:16,430 Speaker 1: we know that he did some kooky spiritualism. And, like, similarly, 77 00:05:16,930 --> 00:05:19,300 Speaker 1: that goes along with the idea of, like, he never 78 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:21,660 Speaker 1: intended to come back. He always meant to go and 79 00:05:22,860 --> 00:05:25,219 Speaker 1: live in this city if he found it. And, like, 80 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:27,860 Speaker 1: that is why he vanished and no one's ever found anything. 81 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 1: He has hidden himself and is living like a god. 82 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:34,140 Speaker 1: And it's like, well, you can't prove a negative, so 83 00:05:34,180 --> 00:05:38,089 Speaker 1: there's no... It's very weird. If it can't be found, 84 00:05:38,730 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 1: that theory can always persist. It's very kooky. That's also 85 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:50,570 Speaker 1: one of the theories about the misinformation that appears about 86 00:05:50,630 --> 00:05:54,270 Speaker 1: the location of the camp. Like, some people are like, 87 00:05:54,550 --> 00:05:57,610 Speaker 1: it's a typo. Others are, he was trying to prevent 88 00:05:57,650 --> 00:06:00,030 Speaker 1: people from getting to the dangerous area. And then the 89 00:06:00,070 --> 00:06:03,270 Speaker 1: conspiracy theorist side of it is, he didn't want anybody 90 00:06:03,310 --> 00:06:06,150 Speaker 1: to find his stuff. Like, that he was really going 91 00:06:06,190 --> 00:06:10,230 Speaker 1: to hide. I don't know. It all seems super kooky 92 00:06:10,250 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 1: to me. There's also an interview with his granddaughter who 93 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 1: has a ring that was his that was found by 94 00:06:17,380 --> 00:06:20,980 Speaker 1: one of these expeditions. And it has the family motto 95 00:06:21,100 --> 00:06:24,979 Speaker 1: engraved on it in Latin, which is fear no obstacles. 96 00:06:25,820 --> 00:06:28,420 Speaker 1: And she says that she took this ring to a 97 00:06:28,820 --> 00:06:32,969 Speaker 1: psychic and that the medium dropped the ring and said 98 00:06:33,010 --> 00:06:35,450 Speaker 1: it had been covered in blood, like so much blood. 99 00:06:35,490 --> 00:06:38,170 Speaker 1: And that like it's just kind of helped foster this 100 00:06:38,710 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 1: very mysterioso version of his story, which I feel bad 101 00:06:43,140 --> 00:06:45,159 Speaker 1: because I'm such a skeptic where I'm like, I know 102 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:47,100 Speaker 1: people want to believe this stuff, but I'm just like, 103 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:52,969 Speaker 1: I think he died. I really like the, they died of, 104 00:06:53,220 --> 00:06:55,839 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't like it, but I'm more prone 105 00:06:55,900 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 1: to land on the, they either died of disease, got 106 00:06:59,820 --> 00:07:03,670 Speaker 1: very hungry, something went wrong because Raleigh had an injury 107 00:07:03,750 --> 00:07:05,589 Speaker 1: and there was no way he was going to be 108 00:07:05,610 --> 00:07:07,390 Speaker 1: able to keep up and either they stayed with him 109 00:07:07,410 --> 00:07:11,380 Speaker 1: in a dangerous place, or something happened. Like, that's more reasonable, 110 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:15,060 Speaker 1: in my opinion, than any of the other explanations. Especially 111 00:07:15,100 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 1: because as more anthropologists have been doing work in the 112 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:20,650 Speaker 1: area and they have gotten to know a lot of 113 00:07:22,410 --> 00:07:26,010 Speaker 1: the indigenous tribes there and they have talked, asked them like, 114 00:07:26,070 --> 00:07:28,790 Speaker 1: have your relatives ever talked about this person? Because the 115 00:07:28,890 --> 00:07:32,590 Speaker 1: idea of like a white dude just traipsing around with 116 00:07:32,650 --> 00:07:34,790 Speaker 1: his machete in the bush, like thinking he's going to 117 00:07:34,810 --> 00:07:37,950 Speaker 1: find stuff that sticks in cultural memory. And so a 118 00:07:37,970 --> 00:07:40,420 Speaker 1: lot of these people are like, oh yeah, my, my uncle, 119 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:44,070 Speaker 1: my grandfather, my, you know, some ancestor talked about that guy, 120 00:07:44,390 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 1: but the, the stories are always very benign. Like, oh yeah, they, 121 00:07:48,670 --> 00:07:50,310 Speaker 1: They gave him some food and kind of pointed him 122 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 1: in the right direction. Like, it's never like, and then 123 00:07:52,220 --> 00:07:55,780 Speaker 1: they tried to murder him. Yeah. They had this musical 124 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:58,460 Speaker 1: instrument and played it in a river. The accordion thing 125 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:00,980 Speaker 1: is very good. I will say that is my favorite 126 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:04,050 Speaker 1: thing I came across in all of the reading. And 127 00:08:05,850 --> 00:08:07,730 Speaker 1: it is so weird. Listen, this is another one of 128 00:08:07,770 --> 00:08:11,150 Speaker 1: those things where, like, that's not the marriage for me. 129 00:08:11,230 --> 00:08:14,330 Speaker 1: I can tell you that. No. No. Like if my 130 00:08:14,370 --> 00:08:17,210 Speaker 1: beloved just constantly was like, yeah, you're cool and everything, 131 00:08:17,250 --> 00:08:19,050 Speaker 1: but where I really want to be is in Brazil 132 00:08:19,090 --> 00:08:22,270 Speaker 1: without you. I would be like, huh, what is this 133 00:08:22,330 --> 00:08:27,870 Speaker 1: marriage exactly? I don't think I would enjoy that at all. 134 00:08:27,950 --> 00:08:32,050 Speaker 1: But again, everything's different on the inside than what people 135 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:43,650 Speaker 1: outside of it can see. It's one of those things 136 00:08:43,750 --> 00:08:48,780 Speaker 1: where all of this, like the name of Percy Fawcett, 137 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 1: the name Lost City of Zed or Zee, those are 138 00:08:53,540 --> 00:08:58,010 Speaker 1: things I've heard. Not anything I've ever felt compelled to 139 00:08:58,050 --> 00:09:01,449 Speaker 1: go tracking down information on or spend a lot of 140 00:09:01,490 --> 00:09:06,390 Speaker 1: time thinking about. As a person who, you know, reads books, 141 00:09:07,130 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 1: science fiction and fantasy books sometimes. Sometimes the idea of 142 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:16,219 Speaker 1: a lost city is a theme in literature. But it's 143 00:09:16,300 --> 00:09:19,260 Speaker 1: just like, this is not a particular person that I 144 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:22,470 Speaker 1: have felt like I needed to go learn a ton 145 00:09:22,490 --> 00:09:25,410 Speaker 1: of stuff about because I was just like, I don't really... 146 00:09:25,170 --> 00:09:28,690 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know, man. I'm not in 147 00:09:28,730 --> 00:09:30,849 Speaker 1: any way saying we should not have done this episode. 148 00:09:30,910 --> 00:09:32,750 Speaker 1: It's actually really fun. And I know a lot of 149 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:36,220 Speaker 1: people are very into his story and very into the 150 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:38,380 Speaker 1: lost city that he thought that he was going to 151 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:40,939 Speaker 1: find and it's just like not ever it's been a 152 00:09:40,980 --> 00:09:43,780 Speaker 1: thing that has just sort of skimmed across my consciousness 153 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:47,840 Speaker 1: in a very superficial way not something i have ever 154 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:51,990 Speaker 1: spent a lot of time devoting mental resources to right 155 00:09:51,990 --> 00:09:55,610 Speaker 1: well you're probably not also as into like the indiana 156 00:09:55,610 --> 00:09:58,420 Speaker 1: jones fandom as some of us Oh, sure, sure. Which 157 00:09:58,500 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 1: is part of it, right? A lot of those people, 158 00:10:00,660 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 1: that's how they get to Percy Fawcett. He's one of 159 00:10:02,780 --> 00:10:07,450 Speaker 1: the many names that come up in relation to... potential 160 00:10:07,490 --> 00:10:11,199 Speaker 1: inspirations past hosts of the show did a who was 161 00:10:11,260 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 1: the real indiana jones episode one time long ago in 162 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 1: the past and i went to just look and see 163 00:10:17,380 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 1: i was like i would because you had asked me 164 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:22,950 Speaker 1: a while ago we've never done this right and no 165 00:10:23,030 --> 00:10:25,349 Speaker 1: one else did yeah and i did what i felt 166 00:10:25,390 --> 00:10:27,850 Speaker 1: like it was a pretty thorough search me too but 167 00:10:27,890 --> 00:10:31,580 Speaker 1: then when you mentioned indiana jones i went uh-oh The 168 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:34,420 Speaker 1: Indiana Jones episode from past hosts. And when I went 169 00:10:34,460 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 1: and looked at that, he really is just mentioned by 170 00:10:37,660 --> 00:10:41,180 Speaker 1: name one time. There's nothing further else. Drive by. Oh, 171 00:10:41,220 --> 00:10:43,860 Speaker 1: here's another one that we're not talking about. Yeah. So, yeah. 172 00:10:44,340 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 1: Which is, I mean, that is the era, too, where 173 00:10:47,020 --> 00:10:49,840 Speaker 1: there were a lot of men like this who believed 174 00:10:49,900 --> 00:10:53,679 Speaker 1: that they were going to go conquer the world that 175 00:10:53,730 --> 00:10:57,810 Speaker 1: white men had not. Mm-hmm. yet, which comes with its 176 00:10:57,910 --> 00:11:00,599 Speaker 1: own gross baggage that I'm not a fan of. And I, 177 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:04,730 Speaker 1: I think that's, I hope, here's my, for people that 178 00:11:04,790 --> 00:11:09,510 Speaker 1: love his story. Mm-hmm. I mean, I hope you don't 179 00:11:09,590 --> 00:11:12,209 Speaker 1: hate hearing that I'm not his biggest fan, but after 180 00:11:12,270 --> 00:11:17,530 Speaker 1: wading through all his writing, there's so much gross racism 181 00:11:17,570 --> 00:11:19,710 Speaker 1: in there. And it's like, in one breath, he can 182 00:11:19,750 --> 00:11:22,350 Speaker 1: praise one group of people, and in the other, say 183 00:11:22,390 --> 00:11:26,770 Speaker 1: the most disgusting things about another. Right, right. And I 184 00:11:26,990 --> 00:11:32,390 Speaker 1: just can't square with that. Again, sure, you can do 185 00:11:32,450 --> 00:11:34,410 Speaker 1: that he's a product of his time, and I do 186 00:11:34,450 --> 00:11:39,179 Speaker 1: understand that Particularly among explorers like that, like people with 187 00:11:39,230 --> 00:11:43,150 Speaker 1: his mindset, that was probably going to be what was happening. 188 00:11:43,630 --> 00:11:47,530 Speaker 1: There was always this sense of white superiority and like, well, 189 00:11:47,790 --> 00:11:50,750 Speaker 1: I have these things. We have modern civilization, so they're 190 00:11:50,830 --> 00:11:54,030 Speaker 1: lesser than us. And I just hate it. And I 191 00:11:54,130 --> 00:11:56,980 Speaker 1: hate reading some of that writing because it literally turned 192 00:11:57,040 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 1: my stomach in some cases. I'm like, how can people today... 193 00:12:01,460 --> 00:12:04,960 Speaker 1: tell his story like he was this kind, respectful person 194 00:12:05,100 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 1: to Indigenous cultures. Yeah. He was kinder than many, but 195 00:12:09,780 --> 00:12:15,210 Speaker 1: he was still really condescending and really racist. And that 196 00:12:15,250 --> 00:12:19,450 Speaker 1: was very problematic for me. This is why. I like 197 00:12:19,490 --> 00:12:23,829 Speaker 1: sort of exploration stories, travel stories. They are fun a 198 00:12:24,210 --> 00:12:27,750 Speaker 1: lot of the time. But I definitely have some women 199 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:31,100 Speaker 1: explorers that have been, they sort of flit up onto 200 00:12:31,140 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 1: my short list and then they disappear again because I 201 00:12:34,020 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 1: will be like, oh, that sounds really interesting. And then 202 00:12:36,260 --> 00:12:38,220 Speaker 1: I'll go read some of the things that they said 203 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:42,610 Speaker 1: and go, nevermind. Less interesting. I did not actually want 204 00:12:42,670 --> 00:12:47,849 Speaker 1: to read that level of like derision and condescension about 205 00:12:48,050 --> 00:12:50,910 Speaker 1: the people that were inviting you into their home to 206 00:12:51,220 --> 00:12:54,219 Speaker 1: feed you while you were on this journey. Yeah. I 207 00:12:54,260 --> 00:12:57,650 Speaker 1: will say that. One of the things that is interesting 208 00:12:57,910 --> 00:13:03,250 Speaker 1: about his writing, and I didn't like track this in 209 00:13:03,350 --> 00:13:07,670 Speaker 1: any kind of real data analysis way, but it does 210 00:13:07,890 --> 00:13:15,560 Speaker 1: almost seem like he is more critical of the, using 211 00:13:15,620 --> 00:13:21,300 Speaker 1: his term, civilized parts of South America, like the cities 212 00:13:21,380 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 1: where there are things like hotels and more like what 213 00:13:24,140 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 1: would be recognizable. as a city to somebody who came 214 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 1: from Europe. Whereas when he gets into actually interacting with 215 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 1: some of the indigenous peoples, it almost seems like it's 216 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 1: a little less so, but I don't know. And I 217 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 1: feel like some of that is kind of him. It 218 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:47,760 Speaker 1: comes off as me, again, this is my lens and 219 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:49,580 Speaker 1: maybe I have my own problems. It comes off as 220 00:13:49,620 --> 00:13:51,980 Speaker 1: a little boasty of like, well, I had a great 221 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:54,180 Speaker 1: relationship with them because I'm smart enough to have learned 222 00:13:54,210 --> 00:13:59,230 Speaker 1: how to communicate with them. And it's like, oh, okay, cool. Cool. Again, 223 00:13:59,270 --> 00:14:01,670 Speaker 1: why did you bring two young men who had no 224 00:14:01,809 --> 00:14:05,330 Speaker 1: experience on what you said was the most dangerous journey 225 00:14:05,370 --> 00:14:08,750 Speaker 1: you were ever going to do? Right. Right. You are 226 00:14:08,790 --> 00:14:11,170 Speaker 1: not all that, my good man. You did a lot 227 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:14,439 Speaker 1: of things I could not do. Yeah. But also, what? Yeah, 228 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:17,720 Speaker 1: it's weird. The hero worship of him weirds me out 229 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:20,300 Speaker 1: a little bit. Mm-hmm. But the hero worship of most 230 00:14:20,340 --> 00:14:23,380 Speaker 1: people weirds me out a little bit. So, you know, 231 00:14:23,460 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 1: take it with that flavor. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, fascinating. 232 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:34,850 Speaker 1: But I'm glad that we got to discuss it. I'm 233 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:37,370 Speaker 1: also glad that there have been more people that have 234 00:14:37,450 --> 00:14:42,290 Speaker 1: gotten more information from the descendants of people he may 235 00:14:42,330 --> 00:14:48,270 Speaker 1: have encountered. Particularly that account... And that was actually pretty 236 00:14:48,590 --> 00:14:53,330 Speaker 1: soon thereafter. The account where that one tribe is saying, no, 237 00:14:53,370 --> 00:14:55,370 Speaker 1: we actually were kind of keeping tabs on them because 238 00:14:55,390 --> 00:14:57,650 Speaker 1: we were worried about them. And after we didn't see 239 00:14:57,690 --> 00:14:59,450 Speaker 1: smoke for a few days, we went to check, but 240 00:14:59,650 --> 00:15:02,470 Speaker 1: that's the last we saw of them. Could that be 241 00:15:02,490 --> 00:15:06,770 Speaker 1: a cooked up story? Sure. But that seems to make 242 00:15:06,820 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 1: more sense, again, to a person that's like, I'm just 243 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 1: going to go into the bush and find this lost 244 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 1: city with very... Little support, which just seems foolish. That's 245 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 1: the part I keep getting back to you. I know 246 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 1: you think that's nimble, but it just sounds foolish. Anyway, 247 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:29,220 Speaker 1: that's my take on Percy Fawcett, which maybe people don't like. 248 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:32,020 Speaker 1: If you love to hero worship him, I'm so sorry, 249 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:35,830 Speaker 1: but not for me. Here's what I hero worship. people 250 00:15:35,870 --> 00:15:39,250 Speaker 1: who are really kind to one another. It's my favorite thing. 251 00:15:39,330 --> 00:15:41,750 Speaker 1: So if you are headed into your weekend and you 252 00:15:41,790 --> 00:15:44,750 Speaker 1: have time off, maybe you have time to just do 253 00:15:44,810 --> 00:15:47,390 Speaker 1: a kind gesture. Do something nice for a stranger. That 254 00:15:47,410 --> 00:15:49,930 Speaker 1: always makes me feel so good. That'll fix some ills 255 00:15:49,990 --> 00:15:52,050 Speaker 1: in your heart. If you don't have time off, I 256 00:15:52,150 --> 00:15:54,650 Speaker 1: really hope everybody is kind to you if you're working, 257 00:15:54,670 --> 00:15:56,930 Speaker 1: especially if you're in a service job. I hope people 258 00:15:56,980 --> 00:15:59,590 Speaker 1: are nice to you. and not jerks, but I know 259 00:15:59,630 --> 00:16:02,510 Speaker 1: that's not often the case. So pretty please, everybody be 260 00:16:02,550 --> 00:16:05,110 Speaker 1: nice to people in service industry jobs and any job. 261 00:16:05,430 --> 00:16:07,830 Speaker 1: Just be nice to each other. Take care of yourself. 262 00:16:07,910 --> 00:16:11,580 Speaker 1: I hope you find time to relax. If you have 263 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:13,660 Speaker 1: a lot of time to devote to reading, there's a 264 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:15,460 Speaker 1: lot of writing by Percy Fawcett if you want to 265 00:16:15,500 --> 00:16:20,920 Speaker 1: read it. 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