1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:06,479 Speaker 1: And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:09,039 Speaker 2: Welcome to Move the Sticks. I am Bucky Brooks and 3 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 2: my man Mike Yam, who is sitting in for DJ. 4 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:16,920 Speaker 2: We just hosted how many hours of coverage, like almost 5 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 2: five hours of coverage, wars of coverage, and we saw 6 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 2: the first round and we're gonna get into everything that 7 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 2: we saw in the first round. We're gonna talk about 8 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:27,480 Speaker 2: the quarterback sh Dr Sanders, who is on the outside 9 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 2: looking in. Uh, but let's get into it. It's time 10 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:32,920 Speaker 2: for Hot or Not brought to you by Saby Hot 11 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 2: Cloud Storage Yam or overall thoughts on the first round. 12 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 2: I just got to get your take on. 13 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:40,960 Speaker 1: Okay, So can we just rewind for a second. First 14 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:43,280 Speaker 1: of all, I'm sitting in for DJ, so there's automatically 15 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 1: I'm like, what are we doing right now? Then I 16 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:48,200 Speaker 1: find out I'm working with you, so obviously I'm excited 17 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:50,520 Speaker 1: because I get to yeah, but then it's taking another level. 18 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:53,159 Speaker 1: I'm I'm used to running point yeah, I just get 19 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 1: out of the off the wall. We put the headsets 20 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 1: on Bucks like, Yo, I got you. I said, oh, okay, okay, 21 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 1: I'll step back here. This is awesome. Look, you and 22 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 1: I were doing mock draft live on NFL Network for 23 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:05,959 Speaker 1: a few weeks. So the fact that we get this 24 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 1: first round and we get to actually see how it 25 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 1: plays out and unfold, there wasn't a huge surprise. I 26 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:12,760 Speaker 1: think clearly the trades. I thought it was gonna be 27 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 1: relatively quiet. I didn't think you could be a ton 28 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 1: of splashes, and I do think in the scope when 29 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 1: you compare it to previous years, like there weren't really 30 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 1: a ton of trades. But we saw aggressive moves, which 31 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:26,320 Speaker 1: I like the teams that decided to go and move up, 32 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 1: like the Jacks, a team that you know really well 33 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 1: because you're part of that radio broadcast. They said, look, 34 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 1: we're gonna take a swing. We're gonna go and get 35 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 1: Travis Hunter, and I know you love him. But then 36 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 1: on top of that, the Giants and the Falcons ATL 37 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:39,839 Speaker 1: was a little bit of a surprise. But I love 38 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:41,960 Speaker 1: what they did because they took two big swings on 39 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 1: the defensive side and when they've had some issues, I 40 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 1: love that try to get some dudes that can get 41 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 1: after the quarterback. And then the Giants, you know, I yeah, 42 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 1: you rock. 43 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 2: With the Giants. So let's talk about all the trades, 44 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 2: like right off the top, the Jacksonman Jaguars moving from 45 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 2: five to two to get Travis Hunter. The thing about 46 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 2: the Travis Hunter pick is and talking to people in 47 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 2: the building, they say, like the three Jews that were 48 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 2: on their board that were really covenant, it was Travis Hunter, 49 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 2: it was Asking Gent and then it was Ted McMillan. 50 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 2: That was the way that they saw, like offensively, they 51 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 2: wanted to add somebody with some splash, some bizazz to 52 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:18,920 Speaker 2: that offense for them to make the move to get 53 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 2: Travis Hunter. One, it tells me that Liam Coin and 54 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 2: James glaston are all in on trying to make this 55 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 2: team better in a hurry. Two. They talked about James 56 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 2: glastone and talked about having the intangible qualities if you 57 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 2: get the players that the rite intangible to the culture 58 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:35,239 Speaker 2: in the locker room changes organically because you're bringing the 59 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:37,360 Speaker 2: right people in and whatever. Well, we know Travis Hunter. 60 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 2: He is about football, he's about fishing. He is all ball, 61 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:44,360 Speaker 2: all the time, terrific player and then a unique talent 62 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:46,520 Speaker 2: as a two way player. So I'm just curious on 63 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:48,919 Speaker 2: how that's going to work for them in terms of 64 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 2: what is the plan? But then the trades and the 65 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:54,080 Speaker 2: reason I'm gonna go to the Giants before we go 66 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 2: to the Falcons is I'm looking at Abdull Carter at 67 00:02:57,080 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 2: three and when they made the move to get Abdul 68 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:00,800 Speaker 2: cart I'm like, okay, well, that play to their identity 69 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 2: when they've been at their best. The D line kind 70 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 2: of sets the tone. We saw them knock off the 71 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 2: Patriots twice because their D line was so dominant, like 72 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:12,080 Speaker 2: it worked. But then the question is why they can 73 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 2: get a quarterback. If they do get a quarterback, who's 74 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:17,240 Speaker 2: going to be the quarterback? So they trade back in 75 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:21,639 Speaker 2: they get into twenty five, they get Jackson Dart and look, 76 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 2: Jackson Dart's name has been popping up as been a 77 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:27,640 Speaker 2: first round that debt was not a question, but Jackson 78 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 2: dark going Overshowder Sanders as the preferred pick for the Giants. 79 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:34,639 Speaker 2: That is the conversation that we'll have over the next 80 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 2: few years. 81 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 1: Okay, So there's a lot to unpack on what you 82 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 1: just said. I want to circle back on the Giants 83 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 1: for a moment, but I think you have this experience 84 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 1: that I think needs to be shared here. Obviously as 85 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 1: a scout. You've been in a lot of these draft rooms, 86 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 1: You've done the talent evaluation. You know what these conversations are. Like, 87 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 1: I talk to a lot of fans and they'll say, oh, 88 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:54,119 Speaker 1: first round guy, Not every team has a first round 89 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 1: grade on all thirty two players. And I think what 90 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 1: you just said about the Jacks is fascinating because you said, 91 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 1: who's on the board that they really like, Like Travis 92 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 1: Hunter was one of those guys to Max and then 93 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 1: jenty right and whoever whatever that order is. I don't 94 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 1: know if there's I don't know thirty one other teams 95 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 1: that would have had it necessarily lay out like that. 96 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 1: And the reality is, like, I just think it's really 97 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 1: important to have and set that distinction because Teed McMillan's 98 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 1: a great example. I hadn't heard his name as one 99 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 1: of these eleaite players, and yet you're telling me the 100 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 1: Jags had him. 101 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 2: The Jacks had him right there. So it's funny, right 102 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 2: because when it played out, and this kind of tells 103 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 2: you about the entire process, because the way that the 104 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:32,919 Speaker 2: process started, Ted McMillan was the name that we had 105 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:35,360 Speaker 2: talked about up in the top five. Sure, the entire 106 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 2: time when those mock drafts came out early, Ted McMillan's 107 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 2: name was always dotted in the top ten. Then it 108 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 2: kind of fell out, and then it was a conversation like, hey, 109 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:44,920 Speaker 2: he might not be wide receiver one because I wasn't 110 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:48,159 Speaker 2: including Travis Hunter's wide receiver one, so oh, maybe you 111 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 2: know somebody else is there. And then law and behold, 112 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 2: the Jaguars get their guy in Travis Hunter, asking jend 113 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 2: comes off the board at six, and then Tied McMillan 114 00:04:56,760 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 2: comes off the board at eight. And so when we 115 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 2: talk about the Jaguars having their board rank like that, look, 116 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 2: I can't say they're wrong based on the way those 117 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:04,600 Speaker 2: guys came off the board. 118 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:07,599 Speaker 1: Okay, So from a strategy standpoint, though, if you're Jacksonville 119 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 1: and it was Travis Hunter, Gent and t mac why 120 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 1: make the move then to go to two because presumably 121 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 1: you would have been able to get one of those 122 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:15,600 Speaker 1: guys at five. 123 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 2: Because they felt that strongly that Travis Hunter it was 124 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 2: that so when I rated off those names, it would 125 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 2: be Travis Hunter. Long pause, asked Gent, then Ted McMillan. 126 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:29,920 Speaker 2: So they felt that strongly about what Travis Hunter brings 127 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 2: as a dynamic two way player that they wanted to 128 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 2: get him, and it had not only had to be 129 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:37,719 Speaker 2: the talent that we saw. We saw the talent for 130 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:39,920 Speaker 2: two years of Colorado and we also saw it at 131 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:43,840 Speaker 2: Jackson State. But it's more the kid, the person, what 132 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 2: he's bringing, how much he loves the game, all of 133 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:48,599 Speaker 2: those other things that really stood out to them. So 134 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 2: we're doing the change over the transformation of the team. 135 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:54,839 Speaker 2: That is why they wanted him to spear hit the charge. 136 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 2: I want to ask you, as a resident Giants fan, 137 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 2: Abdul Carter, like, that's one thing I think you get 138 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 2: excited about that He had posted a week or so 139 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 2: ago the pitcher of Lawrence Taylor, So everyone kind of knew, like, oh, okay, 140 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 2: that's cool, But I gotta get your take, man. The 141 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 2: Giants have kind of been in the desert looking for 142 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:15,159 Speaker 2: a franchise quarterback. Jackson Dart. What's the first thing that 143 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 2: came to mind when you heard the name associated with 144 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:17,719 Speaker 2: the Giants. 145 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, I was surprised. I wasn't surprised that the Giants 146 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 1: moved back into the first round. I was surprised that 147 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 1: it was Jackson Dart that was the name for a 148 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 1: couple reasons. Number one, just the buzz around Shador Sanders. 149 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 1: I do flash back to neighbors and Sanders in the streets, 150 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 1: you know, a couple months ago, kind of playing catch, 151 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 1: clearly being linked there, and we spent and buck you 152 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:37,160 Speaker 1: know this man, Like I spent a lot of time 153 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:40,239 Speaker 1: covering college football, and it did feel like cam Warden 154 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 1: Shador Sanders. This was the conversation who was going to 155 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:45,599 Speaker 1: be the first overall pick? And as the draft process unfolded, 156 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:47,600 Speaker 1: I said, oh, you know, maybe we're not talking about him. 157 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:48,159 Speaker 2: You and I were. 158 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:50,479 Speaker 1: We did a couple of mock draft lives. I'm like, damn, 159 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:53,360 Speaker 1: like you guys really don't think Shador's going all this high, 160 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 1: and yet clearly that didn't happen. The Jackson Dart angle 161 00:06:56,640 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 1: is intriguing to me because the first thing I think 162 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 1: about is when I used to watch Jackson Dart at 163 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:03,720 Speaker 1: USC and then you transition to Ole Miss and he's 164 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:06,160 Speaker 1: playing for Lane Kiff him and I don't always know 165 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 1: what to make of a quarterback that's played for Lane 166 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 1: because the reality is like it's just and I don't 167 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 1: mean this in a disrespectful way, but it's inflated numbers, 168 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 1: you know, Like Lane's an offensive dude, and he figures 169 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 1: out brilliantly how to get the ball into his playmaker's hands. 170 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 1: What I love about Jackson Dart. I remember watching a 171 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 1: lot of games this year where he's got a little 172 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 1: oomph too, right, Like we use the term swag on 173 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 1: our show on Draft Night, and I think that's appropriate. 174 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 1: But there's a little moxie attitude leadership thing. And I 175 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 1: think back to Brian Dable and more specifically, and I'm 176 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 1: going to relate this to Giants fans or just fans 177 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 1: in general of the NFL when you watch Hard Knocks 178 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 1: and you see how Brian Dable is peppering the quarterbacks 179 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 1: where they're considering who to draft, and Bron's got a 180 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 1: little bit of that tude, a little bit of that attitude, 181 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 1: and in a good way, right, like you can try 182 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 1: to coach up his guys. I think Jackson Dart's going 183 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 1: to respond really well to that. But I don't. I 184 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 1: candidly thought there was a world that existed where the 185 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 1: Giants and Jalen mil Row was going to be that marriage. 186 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 1: I watched Jalen. I see those traits physically, and I 187 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 1: see so much damn upside. And if you're telling me 188 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 1: that Russ is going to be your week one starter, 189 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 1: jamis is in the fold of security. There's a part 190 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 1: of me that thinks that that Jalen mill Roll might 191 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 1: have been a better fit. Now, once again, that wasn't 192 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 1: the case for the Giants and Jackson Darts their guy, 193 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 1: but they have been able to now check the box 194 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 1: and say, we got arguably the best player in this 195 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 1: draft in an Abdul Carter, which is going to help 196 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 1: that defense, and we have the quarterback of the future. 197 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so funny to kind of hear the conversation 198 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 2: and how they finally went about it. They wanted to 199 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 2: make sure that they got their quarterback of the future. 200 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 2: And Jackson Dart to me was interesting because I felt 201 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:47,079 Speaker 2: like early in the process he was underrated, and then 202 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 2: I worried about him being a little overrated. And I'm 203 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 2: looking at this piece that I wrote. Not it didn't 204 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 2: appear on NFL dot com, but look, I wrote about 205 00:08:57,559 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 2: athletic gunslinger developing one or more efficient explosive playmakers of 206 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:03,320 Speaker 2: college football on a three year run at Old Miss, 207 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 2: big play mentality, spartaner offense lit up scoreboys back to 208 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 2: back seasons with ten wins six two, two thirty three, 209 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 2: two twenty three all the traits that you look for 210 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:16,960 Speaker 2: quarterback deep ball proficiency, hits the strike zone, works the 211 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 2: entire feel, and then the scheme produces easy completions. But 212 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 2: his arm talent squeezes ball in the tight windows, velocity, touch, timing, 213 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 2: anticipation gets it done. Has enough athleticism to pick up 214 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 2: first downs on designed quarterback runs and scrambles. NFL coaches 215 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 2: can feature a wide variety of schemes to maximize its 216 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:38,840 Speaker 2: talents as a QB one and at the bottom of 217 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 2: it are approximated round value. Oh, bottom of. 218 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 1: The first Okay, so you nailed it. 219 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 2: So I mean, like, that's that's what I had. And 220 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 2: so it's it's funny to see that play out. But 221 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 2: when you read the report and then you look at 222 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 2: the round value, he went exactly where he was supposed 223 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 2: to go on the board. 224 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 1: Okay, let me ask you this then, because I'm off 225 00:09:57,679 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 1: the top of the dome, I don't think there's another 226 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 1: team where there's as much. I hate using the term 227 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:06,479 Speaker 1: hot seat because I think, you know, these are families, 228 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:08,199 Speaker 1: people who have family, you know, and it's not just 229 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 1: the coach, like, there's support staff, the whole thing. So 230 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 1: you don't ever want to see anyone lose their job. 231 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 1: The reality of the situation is franchises make changes. The 232 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:17,720 Speaker 1: thought was the Giants were going to make a move 233 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 1: with Joe Shane or Brian Daball. That didn't happen. But 234 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 1: Marrack comes out and says, we need to win right now. 235 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 1: I don't know if there's another team in the NFL 236 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:28,680 Speaker 1: in this situation right like the teams that struggle, they 237 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 1: already have their new head coaches. I don't know if 238 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:33,199 Speaker 1: there's another organization right now that says their general manager 239 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 1: and head coach are on the hot seat like the 240 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:38,560 Speaker 1: Giants are. That's not the best way to approach the 241 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:42,200 Speaker 1: draft because you're thinking, I'm not worried about two seasons 242 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 1: from now, and most people will tell you that's probably 243 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 1: the case for every team, But it does feel different 244 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 1: for this squad. Was there a different move to be 245 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 1: made at trading in at twenty five instead and just 246 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 1: maybe sitting tight or just going in a different direction 247 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:58,840 Speaker 1: because of the thought process that comes with having to 248 00:10:58,880 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 1: win the season. 249 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 2: No, you know, it's funny because I would give this 250 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 2: heaving work with Joe Shane. We worked together in Carolina, 251 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:09,199 Speaker 2: and I know that Joe's wired the right way when 252 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:12,080 Speaker 2: it comes to building a team. And what they did 253 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 2: in the offseason is they set themselves up where they 254 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:17,720 Speaker 2: didn't have to make a rash move at three to 255 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 2: fit a need because they went out and signed Russell 256 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:22,680 Speaker 2: Wilson and Jameis Winston. They felt like if they had 257 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:25,199 Speaker 2: to put the ball down today, they could play with 258 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:28,319 Speaker 2: the starting quarterback and have enough talent in the quarterback 259 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 2: room to win. That freed them up to take the 260 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 2: best player available at three and Abdual Carter. And then 261 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:36,680 Speaker 2: when they made that move at three, I am sure 262 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:38,679 Speaker 2: as soon as they handed it in the cord, they 263 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 2: started making sure they worked the phones to see when 264 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 2: could we potentially get back in and if we are 265 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 2: getting back in, what are the names that we would 266 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 2: get back into the first round with? Because it couldn't 267 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:52,960 Speaker 2: just be Jackson Dart as the only quarterback that they 268 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 2: would move in, because look, he could have been gone 269 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 2: at any spot. Were they multiple names and what were those? 270 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:01,560 Speaker 2: Was it Jackson Dart, Shoulder Sanders An Tyler shut was 271 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:04,319 Speaker 2: a Jackson dor Tyler Shut. They had to be comfortable 272 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 2: with multiple quarterbacks to be able to get back in 273 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:09,560 Speaker 2: the first round to say, hey, we're good. We gonna 274 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 2: get our quarterback of the future at the bottom of 275 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:11,840 Speaker 2: round one. 276 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's wild to me when I think about 277 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 1: the direction of this organization over the next couple of years. 278 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 1: And I hate to play in the world of hypotheticals, 279 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:21,839 Speaker 1: but had some games not necessarily gone their way late 280 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:24,559 Speaker 1: in the season, they might not have picking at number three. 281 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:25,959 Speaker 2: I think. 282 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 1: I hate to say it this way, but like, even 283 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:30,719 Speaker 1: if they were picking at two, I don't know. I 284 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 1: think Abdul Carter might still have been the selection for him. 285 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 2: Look, I think you can make a reasonable assessment or 286 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:40,559 Speaker 2: prediction that that would have been the pick. Like, Abdul 287 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 2: Carter is a dominant player. And when I look at 288 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaker 2: the ward and I look at the players that were 289 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 2: available in this JEFT, Travis Hunderd was one for me, 290 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 2: abduall Carter was two. They were comfortable taking either one 291 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 2: of those guys, and they would have been fine. Abdul 292 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:56,560 Speaker 2: Carter works if it's the brand, and so like I 293 00:12:56,640 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 2: love it now. Ultimately, both the guys have to play 294 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:01,600 Speaker 2: really well. So after Carter is the one who has 295 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 2: the i'll say the most pressure because he's the top 296 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 2: five pick. He has to play like that right away. 297 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 2: You think about Cavon Tippeau, who's number five overall pick. 298 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:11,599 Speaker 2: He hasn't necessarily played like that. They need both of 299 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:13,840 Speaker 2: their top five picks to play like that because you 300 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 2: have a level of expectation. And Jackson Dart fans will 301 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 2: have an expectation of what the quarterback should be. But 302 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 2: he was taking at the bottom of the first round. 303 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:26,080 Speaker 2: There should be time given and grace given to him 304 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 2: before he becomes a starting quarterback. And look, Russell Wilson, 305 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:32,840 Speaker 2: Jameis Winston, they're there to really kind of hold it 306 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:35,960 Speaker 2: down until Jackson Dart is ready to be able to 307 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 2: do it. 308 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, you say that. And yet off air, while we 309 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:41,679 Speaker 1: were having conversations about the city of New York, you know, 310 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 1: every city's not treated the same way. 311 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 2: I did not go treat it like no man, no, 312 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:49,199 Speaker 2: like when Jackson Dart was drafted in the first round. 313 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 2: Away we go, poor Tommy Cutlets. 314 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:58,679 Speaker 3: It's like he anywhere, But like Jackson Dart, the clock 315 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:00,959 Speaker 3: is on, like now, all the kind conversation through our 316 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 3: training camp is gonna be when Jackson are gonna be 317 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 3: ready to play, And so Russell and Jameis Winston have 318 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:09,079 Speaker 3: to give the coaching staff and the fans enough to 319 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 3: kind of stay them off, like, no, we have a plan, 320 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:12,440 Speaker 3: we have a plan for him. 321 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 2: But here's the tricky thing, Cam Brian day Ball and 322 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 2: Joe Shane win enough to get to the other side 323 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 2: where they can see Jackson dark next year as the 324 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 2: starting quarterback. They have to win enough games to kind 325 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 2: of keep everyone at bay to be able to do 326 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 2: it unless the ownership is saying no, no, no, you good 327 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 2: you got this year regards of the record, then we 328 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 2: get it next year. But I don't know of New 329 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 2: York having enough patience to sit through another disappointing year 330 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 2: from the Giants. No. 331 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 1: I mean, you think about all that media and the 332 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 1: lens that's there, and look, that's home for me. I 333 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 1: grew up there. So you're talking about two all sports stations, 334 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 1: two regional sports television networks. It is all eyes on 335 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 1: this squad. And taking a step further here, the Jets 336 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 1: don't have Aaron Rodgers anymore, so that story is now gone. 337 00:14:57,480 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 1: They're punting on that the Justin Field could be. 338 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 2: A great doesn't have as much noise as the Giant Little. 339 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 2: Let's be honest, the Giants. The Giants owned the Apple 340 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 2: like they're the stable the franchise there. I mean, they're 341 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:13,360 Speaker 2: a squad. So everyone is going to look to them now, 342 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 2: just like everyone looks to the Giants. I'm looking at 343 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 2: the rest of the top ten. Will Cambell goes forward 344 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 2: to the Patriots, Mason Graham Cleveland at five, asking genty 345 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 2: to the Raiders at six. I'm on Membo to the 346 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 2: Justin seven, Ted McMillan at eight, Kelvin Banks Junior to 347 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 2: the Saints at nine, and then Coaston Loveland at ten. 348 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 2: Of the picks, and I'll let you go after me. Sure, 349 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 2: number six asking genty to the Raiders was the one 350 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 2: that stood out. And to sit out because we know 351 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 2: Pete Carroll. You were on the West Coast and Peek 352 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 2: Carroll was doing his thing. He's always had running backs 353 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 2: when his programs have operated at their best. And go 354 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 2: back to like sc Lindelle White and Reggie Bush, Seattle 355 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 2: Sea Yawks. It was about Marshawn Lynch. You just had 356 00:15:57,480 --> 00:16:00,440 Speaker 2: to know that the Raiders under Pete Carroll. They're going 357 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 2: to have a blue chip running back, so I knew 358 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 2: that was coming, but it still stood out that they 359 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 2: were able to get them totally. 360 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 1: And I say this because you know how excited I was. 361 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 1: This is my first year having a vote Genty. It 362 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 1: was hard for me not to pick Ashon Genty as 363 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 1: the leader. And when you do the rankings, it's one, two, 364 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 1: and three, and you know, for me, it ended up 365 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 1: being obviously Travis Hunter because of the special nature. But Genty, 366 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 1: the numbers alone speak for themselves the impact that he had. 367 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 1: We were doing our draft show with Lancer Aline, who 368 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 1: talked about a week offensive line and yet still you know, 369 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 1: historic type numbers from Genty. You know, for me, Carolina 370 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:38,119 Speaker 1: at eight, I talked to a buddy of mine who's 371 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 1: around that team a whole lot, and I said, hey, 372 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 1: what direction do they go? Because I felt like there 373 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 1: was going to be a team that looked at the 374 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 1: eighth position and said, that's the trade spot. I want 375 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 1: to get ahead of it. I want to get ahead 376 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 1: of what the New Orleans Saints might do at number nine, 377 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 1: which clearly wasn't the case because they took Kelvin Banks. 378 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 1: I thought maybe the Steelers might be one of those 379 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 1: teams that didn't happen, And I asked him to say, hey, 380 00:16:56,880 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 1: what direction he goes. Look, there's some needs that are here, 381 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 1: but I would be if there's not another piece around 382 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 1: Bryce Young because the reclamation process that we saw even 383 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 1: in one year for Bryce was pretty pretty spectacular. And look, 384 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 1: they drafted Lagette that's been okay for them. I don't know. 385 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 1: I think it became abundantly clear it was going to 386 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:19,879 Speaker 1: be wide receiver. We just didn't know which one it was. 387 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 1: And the fact that it was an explosive guy like 388 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:24,960 Speaker 1: t Mac who once again was terrific playing at Arizona 389 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 1: not a huge surprise for me. 390 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:35,920 Speaker 2: Picks eleven to twenty Mikhael Williams to San Francisco forty 391 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 2: nine Ers, Tyler Booker Dallas Cowboys, Kenneth Grant Miami Dolphins, 392 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:43,359 Speaker 2: Tyler Warren Indianapolis goes, Jalen Walker Atlanta Falcons, walked to 393 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:48,640 Speaker 2: Nolan Arizona Cardon, Shamar Stewart Cincinnati Bengals, Great Zabels, Seattle Seahawks, 394 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 2: A Mecca Abuka nineteen to the Den Bay Buccaneers, and 395 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:55,919 Speaker 2: then Jedi Baron going to the Denver Broncos. When I 396 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 2: look at that list, the one that stands out to 397 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 2: me in terms of the best pick, best fit Tyler 398 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:04,879 Speaker 2: Booker going to the Dallas Cowboys. The Dallas Cowboys the 399 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:08,480 Speaker 2: offensive line. They lose Zach Martin last couple of years. 400 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 2: They're trying to kind of piecemeal this offensive line, kind 401 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:13,520 Speaker 2: of get it back and going. They've really invested in that, 402 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:16,959 Speaker 2: and to me, Taler Booker is the final piece of 403 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 2: the puzzle on the offensive line. Replacing a legend in 404 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:22,639 Speaker 2: Zach Martin is going to be tough. But when we 405 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 2: think about what this team wants to be under Brian Schottenheimer, 406 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:29,680 Speaker 2: a rough and rugged, a physical team that can run 407 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:32,439 Speaker 2: the football, Tyler Booker fits the bill. I mean he 408 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:36,119 Speaker 2: moves people off the ball. He is physical, he's nasty, 409 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 2: he's a tempo center, and I just think he fits 410 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:41,720 Speaker 2: in with how they want to play. I would expect 411 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:43,680 Speaker 2: them to be a very physical team at the point 412 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:46,400 Speaker 2: of attack, and that's going to not only help them 413 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 2: find their running game, it's going to take a lot 414 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 2: of pressure off Dak Prescott. 415 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:53,919 Speaker 1: No more excuses for the Dallas Cowboys. Three concut Like, 416 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 1: look at this offensive line, man we every single year, Buck, 417 00:18:57,280 --> 00:18:59,119 Speaker 1: and you and I do enough shows together on NFL 418 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 1: Network where I go what's going on with this Dallas 419 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:03,680 Speaker 1: Cowboys team? And we both know when they were rocking 420 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:06,679 Speaker 1: in the nineties, it wasn't just because of Emmett Smith 421 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:09,400 Speaker 1: and IRV and Troy Aikman. You look at those bad 422 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:12,639 Speaker 1: boys up front and allowing a guy like eMTA to 423 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:15,199 Speaker 1: do the damage that he's done. We have talked about 424 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 1: the issues that they've had on offensive line for a 425 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:21,399 Speaker 1: few seasons now, Tyler Geiton, Tyler Smith, now Tyler Booker. 426 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 1: It's three consecutive years of three first round offensive linemen. 427 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:28,360 Speaker 1: No more excuses. This has got to be the year 428 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 1: for this team to thrive. And I wasn't surprised that 429 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 1: they went there. I thought it could be running back. 430 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:35,439 Speaker 1: In fact, I thought Hampton could be the guy, the 431 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:37,480 Speaker 1: player that I know you kept close eyes on because 432 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:40,120 Speaker 1: of your North Carolina ties. There the only other team 433 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 1: that I would throw and maybe Sandwich this year. Jaalen Walker, 434 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:44,639 Speaker 1: who would land of Falcons at fifteen. I thought was 435 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:47,959 Speaker 1: a spectacular pick because it's a really good player and 436 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:50,360 Speaker 1: a position of need for it. And they obviously double down, 437 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:52,440 Speaker 1: which we can talk about coming up in just a 438 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:55,879 Speaker 1: couple minutes. But Tampa Bay, I loved your assessment of 439 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 1: Abuka because I don't know what you do in that 440 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:01,439 Speaker 1: wide receiver room, but you highlight this, you know pretty well. 441 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:03,400 Speaker 1: Got another year for Mike Evans and then who kind 442 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:05,960 Speaker 1: of knows what happens, But it's an embarrassment of riches 443 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:06,960 Speaker 1: in that wide receiver room. 444 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:09,919 Speaker 2: Embarrassment of riches. And this is Jason Light and Toy 445 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 2: Bowles making sure that Baker Mayfield has what he needs 446 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:15,440 Speaker 2: to be successful. A Mecca Buka coming in being the 447 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 2: number three receiver alongside Chris Godwin and Mike Evans. I mean, 448 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:23,280 Speaker 2: just a big, physical wide receiver room and for an 449 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:26,399 Speaker 2: undersized quarterback, it expands the strike zone. It makes it easy, 450 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:30,360 Speaker 2: but it also creates a succession plan in case Mike 451 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 2: Evan moves on after this year and if he stays man, 452 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 2: who I mean, who better to learn from than a 453 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:40,480 Speaker 2: guy who's been a perennial pro bowler, another guy who's 454 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 2: an outstanding playmaker and Chris gott I just think it 455 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 2: makes so much sense. And when I look at him, 456 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 2: Mecca book, he's a pro man. He is a pro 457 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:50,919 Speaker 2: you see it. He is polished, he's seasoned, he has it. 458 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:55,640 Speaker 2: To me, it's just a nice fit for what they 459 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:58,399 Speaker 2: want offensively to do and how they want to do it. 460 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 2: And then twentieth pig Ver Bronco's taking Jedi Baron. We 461 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:05,440 Speaker 2: talked about running back, I mean, Sean Bayton talked about 462 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 2: running backs that we all were kind of waiting for 463 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:10,800 Speaker 2: the running back to go, but them taking look Man 464 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:14,359 Speaker 2: one of the best defensive players that we've seen in 465 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:17,120 Speaker 2: the class and arguably, like people say, like the best 466 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:20,320 Speaker 2: corner because he can do so much jim Thorpe, w Wardwick, 467 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 2: versatile instincts, awareness, toughness. I just like putting him beside 468 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 2: Pat Sortan and being able to do so many things 469 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:30,160 Speaker 2: in a secondary. 470 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 1: On your way, Yeah, I'd love to know how scouts 471 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 1: front offices look at FCS players on the offensive line. 472 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 1: And I bring this up because Gray is Able goes 473 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 1: to Seattle at eighteen North Dakota State kid, you and 474 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:45,720 Speaker 1: I were getting together for the East West Shrine. Bul 475 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 1: I told the story Timpolasek, who's got that offensive line mentality? 476 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:50,919 Speaker 1: I mean, the guy must have dropped more fbombs in 477 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:53,480 Speaker 1: a Fifthe conversation when I was when I was asking 478 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 1: him about his quarterback than anything, but he wanted to 479 00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:58,160 Speaker 1: talk about oh Li. Told me a lot about Zabel 480 00:21:58,160 --> 00:21:59,760 Speaker 1: and why he was going to be a next level player. 481 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 1: I do think a little bit about Trevor Penning as 482 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 1: another one that maybe hasn't lived up to the hype. 483 00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:06,960 Speaker 1: How do you go to the mat on a guy 484 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:12,040 Speaker 1: that you've scouted when it's not power for football, it's 485 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 1: not the SEC. And yet clearly that didn't scare Seattle. 486 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:19,080 Speaker 2: It didn't. And it's funny because John Snyder, look, he 487 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:22,120 Speaker 2: learned under Ron Wolf. Ron Wolf, Hall of fame executive 488 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:25,639 Speaker 2: Green Bay Packers longtime general manager, and Ron Wolf was 489 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:27,960 Speaker 2: not a small school fan. He wanted to see guys 490 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:30,879 Speaker 2: come from big schools because guys with big schools and 491 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 2: winning predigrees understand what it's like and they're more likely 492 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:38,080 Speaker 2: to transition very quickly into the National Football League. But 493 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 2: when you do take a small school standard And I 494 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:42,879 Speaker 2: remember having this conversation with Ron I called him and 495 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:45,800 Speaker 2: it was when I was scouting Vincent Jackson who was 496 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:48,439 Speaker 2: at Northern Colorado, and I asked him what did he 497 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:51,880 Speaker 2: see from Terall Lawns when Tera Lawns was at UT Chattanooga, 498 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 2: he said, when you're looking at small school standouts, do 499 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:57,439 Speaker 2: they dominate their level of competition? And when they have 500 00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 2: opportunities to play or level up, how do they perform? 501 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:03,920 Speaker 2: The thing that probably convinced the Seattle Seahawks on Gray 502 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,879 Speaker 2: Zabel his performance at the Seniu Bowl. On top of 503 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 2: his tape at North Dakota State, he held his own and 504 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:14,720 Speaker 2: dominated the time in the singable, which gave them confidence 505 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:17,879 Speaker 2: that it may take some time, but he has the 506 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 2: stuff to be able to be a successful pro at 507 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:20,240 Speaker 2: the level. 508 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 1: Is there a position group that you guys would consider 509 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:27,239 Speaker 1: at an FCS level that was maybe stronger because once 510 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:29,639 Speaker 1: again it's a big boy up front versus and you 511 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 1: just name name checked a couple wide receivers. 512 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:34,360 Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I mean look, I think it comes down 513 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:36,119 Speaker 2: to the same thing, like how do they play when 514 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:38,080 Speaker 2: they have to play against the competition that they will 515 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 2: see at the NFL level? Can you see him at 516 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:42,159 Speaker 2: an All Star game? When they are at an All 517 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:43,920 Speaker 2: Star game, do they hold it on? Do they look 518 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 2: out of place? If they don't look out of place, well, man, 519 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 2: how competitive are they with some of the best of 520 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:50,639 Speaker 2: the best and the thing that you saw in the 521 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:53,440 Speaker 2: tape on Gray Zabel at the game, he not only 522 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:55,959 Speaker 2: held his own but he won plenty of reps against 523 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 2: top competition, which made it a figure. When you take someone 524 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:00,919 Speaker 2: in the middle of the first round for almost small school, 525 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,399 Speaker 2: you're saying, oh, no, no, this guy's gonna come in and 526 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:07,879 Speaker 2: play play right well, play well right away, and his 527 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:11,720 Speaker 2: position flexibility gives you a few options in terms of 528 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:12,959 Speaker 2: trying to put him in a place where he can 529 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 2: be most successful that should help him succeed. 530 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:17,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I'm with you there. And once again, I 531 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 1: just think it's fascinating a remade Seattle team when you 532 00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:23,680 Speaker 1: consider Sam Darnold is now in the fold a wide 533 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:27,119 Speaker 1: receiver room that looks like a shellman nothing, it's essentially 534 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:29,840 Speaker 1: brand new, and yet with their first pick in round 535 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:31,399 Speaker 1: number one, it's an FCS player. 536 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:34,440 Speaker 2: Yeah. Look, it's very interesting. But you know what also 537 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:36,960 Speaker 2: was interesting The Pittsburgh stale is at twenty one, taking 538 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:40,720 Speaker 2: Derek Harmon, Amario Hampton going twenty two to the La Charges, 539 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:43,680 Speaker 2: Matthew Golden going to the Packers at twenty three, Donovan 540 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 2: Jackson to the Minnesota Vikings Giants, taking Jackson Dart Atlanta 541 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 2: Falcon has taken James Fears Junior at twenty six, Malachi 542 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 2: Stark's going twenty seven to the Ravens, Tyler Williams coming 543 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:56,439 Speaker 2: off the board at twenty eight to the Detroit Lions, 544 00:24:56,720 --> 00:25:00,640 Speaker 2: Josh Connelly twenty nine to the Commander's, max Or Harriston 545 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:02,399 Speaker 2: going to the Buffalo Bills at thirty and then we're 546 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:05,280 Speaker 2: finished off. John Campbell going to the Eagles at thirty one, 547 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:08,679 Speaker 2: and Josh Simmons at thirty two to the Kansite Chiefs. 548 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:10,360 Speaker 2: And I'm gonna say this because I had a little 549 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 2: egg on my face. Matthew Gold and breaking the streak. 550 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 2: The Green Bay Packers took a wide receiver twenty three overall, 551 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 2: first time since two thousand and two that they have 552 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,880 Speaker 2: taken a wide receiver in the first round. You already 553 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,600 Speaker 2: had the end deal, you baiting me into it, so 554 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:32,919 Speaker 2: right there and look he goes. I am surprised, but 555 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:36,360 Speaker 2: then I'm not only because when you paid Jordan Love 556 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 2: the kind of money that they paid him, you want 557 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:42,400 Speaker 2: to make sure that he has success. Josh Jacobs said, man, 558 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:44,640 Speaker 2: we need a number one receiver. We need a guy, 559 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 2: and for your starting running back. We ran for over 560 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:48,680 Speaker 2: thirteen hundred yards to say that we need a number 561 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:53,879 Speaker 2: one receiver. It means that he feels the impact of 562 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 2: not having that. Either the box is clouded, the offense 563 00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 2: doesn't go. It's just a little different. He needs more 564 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,960 Speaker 2: room and he know what and number one receiver would 565 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 2: do for him. And so him calling out for a 566 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,879 Speaker 2: number one receiver maybe the front off his listen. And 567 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,040 Speaker 2: they decided that Matthew Golden was going to be a guy. 568 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:10,680 Speaker 1: Kind of weird man. They listening to him, but it 569 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,159 Speaker 1: wasn't Rogers kind of jumping up and down for a 570 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,399 Speaker 1: couple of seasons hoping to get one of these players. 571 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:19,879 Speaker 1: One observation here, and I'm gonna steal with something that 572 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:21,639 Speaker 1: David Carr had told me because at the end of 573 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:23,920 Speaker 1: the season, DC and I were talking. I said, hey, man, 574 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,920 Speaker 1: Green Bay is a really good team that's so close. 575 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,160 Speaker 1: This is a young receiver room. Last year was first 576 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 1: and second year of players that were their contributors. They 577 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,440 Speaker 1: go again in round number one and they take a wide, 578 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:36,919 Speaker 1: but not again. They do it for the first time 579 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:38,919 Speaker 1: to two thousand and two, but they double down in 580 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,919 Speaker 1: terms of trying to add some weapons there. I said, DC, like, 581 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:43,680 Speaker 1: what do they need? And he said, the one thing 582 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,320 Speaker 1: that I would point to is is a guy that 583 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:48,439 Speaker 1: could take it over the top, Like who's that speedzer, 584 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 1: who can stretch the defenses, who can get you really 585 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:53,560 Speaker 1: those big explosive plays. And Matthew Golden seems to be 586 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:55,440 Speaker 1: able to check that box just based off of the 587 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:58,360 Speaker 1: speed level. And I know, obviously you got to watch 588 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:00,639 Speaker 1: a ton of him at Texas. It did feel like 589 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:02,919 Speaker 1: when they needed a big play, he was the obvious 590 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:03,680 Speaker 1: target and. 591 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:05,439 Speaker 2: That was really apparent when he watched it in the playoff, 592 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:07,400 Speaker 2: when they needed a play, they went to him, and look, 593 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 2: there was another decorated player opposite of Isaiah Bond, But 594 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:12,119 Speaker 2: when it came down to it, the ball went to 595 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,560 Speaker 2: Matthew Golden. And the fact that he went from Houston 596 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:18,760 Speaker 2: to Texas and kind of swiped the number one role 597 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:22,920 Speaker 2: from others that look, this speaks volumes about his play. 598 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,159 Speaker 2: Now someone else. And we were talking about the Atlanta 599 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:29,359 Speaker 2: Falcons trading. They got Jalen Walker at fifteen, but James 600 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,359 Speaker 2: Pierce at twenty six. You talked about the Falcons liking 601 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,560 Speaker 2: their moves. What was it about these power moves? 602 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:36,879 Speaker 1: That you love the fact that this has been a 603 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:41,359 Speaker 1: team so deficient at creating pressure on quarterbacks. I was 604 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,879 Speaker 1: fortunate enough to be down in Atlanta in August for 605 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,360 Speaker 1: training camp, and you talk to the fans down there, 606 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 1: you talk to their coaching staff. Terry Fotteau was one 607 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 1: of our guests, and it was abundantly clear, Hey, like, 608 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 1: we need to be better on the defensive side. They 609 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,280 Speaker 1: were thirty first in the NFL in sacks a season ago. 610 00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 1: I don't think it was much better two seasons ago, 611 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,119 Speaker 1: and yet it didn't get better last season. And I 612 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,040 Speaker 1: think what's fascinating is they took a page out of 613 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:05,719 Speaker 1: what the Eagles did a year ago and say, hey, 614 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:07,920 Speaker 1: we got some questions on that secondary. We're gonna double dip. 615 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:11,280 Speaker 1: We're going to take two guys in round number one. 616 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:14,359 Speaker 1: I think the Falcons were ridiculously aggressive. I love that 617 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,199 Speaker 1: they were aggressive last year in a different regard by 618 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:19,200 Speaker 1: taking Michael Pennix when they did, and then this year 619 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:20,919 Speaker 1: they said, you know what, We're not going to have 620 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 1: that excuse and in division that is gettable. Right now. 621 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,320 Speaker 1: They gotta feel Pennix can ball. We feel good about 622 00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 1: him being a missing piece and if we're remotely better 623 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,960 Speaker 1: on the defensive side. Maybe that's enough to really push 624 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:32,960 Speaker 1: a Tampa Bay squad. 625 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,760 Speaker 2: Dude, they are all in. They made an aggressive move 626 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:38,680 Speaker 2: a year ago when they got Michael Penix while they 627 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,000 Speaker 2: had Kirk Cousins already in the building. The incadn't even 628 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:42,360 Speaker 2: drive it on this contract, and they go and get 629 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:44,720 Speaker 2: a number one pick. And then this year, Terry final 630 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:48,040 Speaker 2: goes doubles down very aggressive to go and get James 631 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:51,080 Speaker 2: Pennis to pair him with Jalen Walker. And we can 632 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:52,720 Speaker 2: say a lot of things about what they have, but 633 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:54,640 Speaker 2: now they have two guys that can get after the passer, 634 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:58,040 Speaker 2: albeit in different ways. Jalen Walker, being a hybrid linebacker, 635 00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:01,000 Speaker 2: can play inside off ball but then down and come 636 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:04,160 Speaker 2: off the edge, which should make him a really intriguing 637 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:07,280 Speaker 2: and impressive blitzer. And then James Spears, who can line up, 638 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:10,920 Speaker 2: come off the edge and win with speed and just explosiveness. 639 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:13,240 Speaker 2: It is gon'na be fun to watch this Atlanta Falcon 640 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:16,440 Speaker 2: team kind of get it together. And one thing that 641 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:18,680 Speaker 2: you have to understand when you're a team builder, you're 642 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,120 Speaker 2: building your team to also play in your stadium. So 643 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:26,520 Speaker 2: these two fast guys playing on a turf, it's the 644 00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:30,240 Speaker 2: Mercedes Benz Dome, whatever we call it. But being able 645 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:32,959 Speaker 2: to get off that that should certainly helped them. And 646 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,240 Speaker 2: I want to go to pick right after Pierce comes 647 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,840 Speaker 2: off the boards, Malachot starts going to the Baltimore Ravens. 648 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 2: The Ravens for years have traditionally drafted just really good 649 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:45,479 Speaker 2: footballs at football players at all levels of the draft, 650 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,320 Speaker 2: and Starts been a high IQ player, a guy that's 651 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:50,120 Speaker 2: a combo safety mining he can play in the box 652 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,080 Speaker 2: and play in the deep middle, a guy who really 653 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:56,160 Speaker 2: compliments Kyle Hamilton will and man, look, I know they 654 00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,120 Speaker 2: had gotten good player from a Darius Washington, but for 655 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:04,680 Speaker 2: two first round safeties, that secondary is going to get 656 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:06,520 Speaker 2: back to playing the way that they played when they 657 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:08,520 Speaker 2: played really good defense in the past. 658 00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:11,000 Speaker 1: Where did you have Starks going? Was is this the 659 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:13,040 Speaker 1: right range? I only asked because a couple of years ago, 660 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:16,960 Speaker 1: Kyle Hamilton we didn't talk about. I don't remember the exact. 661 00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:19,720 Speaker 2: Number, fourteen, four and fourteen, but he was Look, he 662 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:21,680 Speaker 2: was rated as a top five player in the draft. 663 00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,680 Speaker 2: Class goes to the combine, doesn't run faster. Then, as 664 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,600 Speaker 2: we're prone to do, we overthink it and very similar 665 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:31,080 Speaker 2: to Malachos Starks. He was the number one safety heading 666 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:34,719 Speaker 2: into the combine. Nick emin Warrior had a great combine 667 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,880 Speaker 2: and kind of stole Starks his thunder because he was 668 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 2: so impressive as a six to four athlete and those things. 669 00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:45,080 Speaker 2: But the Ravens, because I know this, they put their 670 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:47,880 Speaker 2: pencils down before they get to the combine. Their grades 671 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,280 Speaker 2: and stuff are all in. They're done with the process 672 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:52,640 Speaker 2: before they get to the combine, so they're not swayed 673 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,960 Speaker 2: by the workouts. Their grades and their things are done 674 00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:58,720 Speaker 2: off the tape and off the tape. Malachis Starks was 675 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:02,200 Speaker 2: an impressive player, not only last season, but a season before. 676 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,400 Speaker 2: You saw a ton of plays, a ton of reactions 677 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,760 Speaker 2: and instincts and big plays. And that's why at twenty 678 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:08,960 Speaker 2: seven he was the right fit for them. 679 00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:11,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, the rich get richer. I've been saying this for 680 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,040 Speaker 1: two seasons now that the Baltimore Ravens have the best 681 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:17,240 Speaker 1: roster in the NFL that hasn't culminated into a Super 682 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:19,960 Speaker 1: Bowl championship. A couple of years ago obviously got close. 683 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:23,320 Speaker 1: It was the Kansas City Chiefs beating them in Baltimore 684 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:27,280 Speaker 1: and even being in Baltimore in August. You could feel 685 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:30,120 Speaker 1: that in the conversations with the players they were referencing that. 686 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:32,880 Speaker 1: And then they got better somehow, and Derek Henry comes 687 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:36,360 Speaker 1: aboard and they're they're rolling. Save Flowers has a breakout 688 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:39,280 Speaker 1: season and yet once again falling just short. I just 689 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:42,920 Speaker 1: wonder if a piece like this gets them this much closer, 690 00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,760 Speaker 1: because I still think it comes down to how do 691 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,360 Speaker 1: you learn from some of your losses because you can't 692 00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:50,640 Speaker 1: even can't point at the roster buck like. 693 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,160 Speaker 2: They gonna make plays like they're gonna make plays, cause 694 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:54,720 Speaker 2: their thing has little to do with the talent and 695 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,760 Speaker 2: more to do with the execution. The effort is there, 696 00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,800 Speaker 2: the execution has to be better in the those key moments. 697 00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:03,280 Speaker 2: Last pick that I want to talk about, John Campbell 698 00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:06,160 Speaker 2: going to the field of Eagles. Another example of Howie 699 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:09,320 Speaker 2: Roseman doing what Howie Roseman does. He's not a grade 700 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:11,400 Speaker 2: to He's not afraid to move up, even though it 701 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:14,360 Speaker 2: was just flipping a spot to go and get a linebacker. 702 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:19,160 Speaker 2: And you gotta remember, the Eagles never go after the linebackers. 703 00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,920 Speaker 2: It was a position that they didn't value in their model, 704 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:26,000 Speaker 2: whether it's their analytics or just a philosophical standpoint, they 705 00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:28,880 Speaker 2: didn't really see a lot of value in getting linebackers high. 706 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 2: But lo and behold, joh Campbell is the pick. And 707 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:35,040 Speaker 2: maybe I'll say this. He was the pick for them 708 00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:37,440 Speaker 2: because not only is the off ball linebacker, but because 709 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,080 Speaker 2: he's so effective coming off the edge. That is the 710 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:42,080 Speaker 2: only way they could have said Vic Fangio had to 711 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,600 Speaker 2: be And Howie Roseman's saying no, no, I'm telling you, if 712 00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:46,520 Speaker 2: we get him in we can do these things with him. 713 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:51,680 Speaker 2: He can be effective, really intriguing, anticing pick for the philadelp. 714 00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:52,800 Speaker 1: Hgles all Right, I go throw something in your way 715 00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,400 Speaker 1: on day two. Okay, here we got I'm not going 716 00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:57,680 Speaker 1: to ask you when should Dor Sanders gets drafted. I'm 717 00:32:57,680 --> 00:32:59,680 Speaker 1: going to ask you, does Tyler, Schucker, Jell and Milroll 718 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,240 Speaker 1: go ahead head of Shador? 719 00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:06,080 Speaker 2: They shouldn't. But now I'm nervous. I didn't think Jackson 720 00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:10,560 Speaker 2: Dart would go. When I look at the board, I'm saying, 721 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,520 Speaker 2: you got the Browns right away at thirty three, and 722 00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:15,040 Speaker 2: then I think you have the Raiders at thirty six 723 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:20,320 Speaker 2: or thirty seven. To me, Shadure Sanders to the Raiders 724 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,080 Speaker 2: would be the best pick and the reason why is 725 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:27,200 Speaker 2: the comparison for me, Wish's Jewer Sanders would be either 726 00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:29,760 Speaker 2: Jerry Goff or Gino Smith. And so if you get 727 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:30,920 Speaker 2: him and you put him behind it, and look, I 728 00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:32,960 Speaker 2: know people were like, well they got a backup quarterback, 729 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,360 Speaker 2: and ain't O'Connell in those things. I hear that, But 730 00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:39,920 Speaker 2: I just think the relationship tom Brady looking look, it's 731 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,080 Speaker 2: overblown a little bit, even if Shaduer told me that, 732 00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,160 Speaker 2: but Tom Brady being there, tom Brady kind of knowing 733 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:46,840 Speaker 2: what he's about, being able to learn that, to me, 734 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:51,160 Speaker 2: it would fit. I'm not saying that Cleveland wouldn't be fit, 735 00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:53,040 Speaker 2: but man, if I could pick it for him, I 736 00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:54,000 Speaker 2: would pick the Raiders. 737 00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,440 Speaker 1: It's gonna be wild here because I think there's got 738 00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,720 Speaker 1: to be some concerns injury wise. For Tyler Shuck, I 739 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,160 Speaker 1: made this reference before I got to see him a 740 00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:05,120 Speaker 1: ton when he was at Oregon. It feels like he's 741 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,640 Speaker 1: a step away from collecting Social Security. He's been around 742 00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,000 Speaker 1: for so long. But I know all the reports coming 743 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,239 Speaker 1: out of the Senior Bowl as he's impressive. I look 744 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:14,360 Speaker 1: at those traits though. For Jalen Milroll, I remember the 745 00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:16,319 Speaker 1: first time I watched him in a game. I'm like, damn, Like, 746 00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:20,680 Speaker 1: this dude is just he's so different out there. And 747 00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:23,319 Speaker 1: that's where I start to hedge a little bit and go, Hey, 748 00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:26,279 Speaker 1: which guy, which quarterback is it going to be? That's 749 00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:28,520 Speaker 1: gonna hear his name called next, and maybe it's Sanders 750 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:30,120 Speaker 1: or maybe it's one of those other players. 751 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:33,239 Speaker 2: Look, it should be fascinating to watch. That was this 752 00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:35,800 Speaker 2: week's Hot or Not segment, brought to you by with 753 00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:39,600 Speaker 2: Sabi how cloud storage, store more and do more with 754 00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:42,880 Speaker 2: your data. Try them for free at wassabi dot com. 755 00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:44,319 Speaker 2: Yeah this was fun. 756 00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:46,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, man, I appreciate the we spent We. 757 00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:48,680 Speaker 2: Spent four hours doing the drafting, and we spent a 758 00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:51,960 Speaker 2: little extra time doing a podcast. We gotta get you 759 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:52,920 Speaker 2: on the podcast again. 760 00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:55,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, man, we went over time on this one. And 761 00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:56,279 Speaker 1: then it's me and you the rest of the way. 762 00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,200 Speaker 1: On Day two and day three, Day three on Saturday, 763 00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:00,560 Speaker 1: you're gonna be ready to kill. I promise. 764 00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,920 Speaker 4: Maybe maybe I got your coffee because I know I 765 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:05,799 Speaker 4: know this, we're gonna have to have some runners or whatever. 766 00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,440 Speaker 4: We went to the whole first round without having runners 767 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:11,200 Speaker 4: bringing coffee and treats and all that. When we go 768 00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:13,880 Speaker 4: rounds four through seven, some people gonna have to get 769 00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:15,160 Speaker 4: on the move. We're gonna have to get. 770 00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:18,480 Speaker 2: A Starbucks to kind of I shouldn't even drop that, 771 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,720 Speaker 2: but the coffee plays with the little green and signy, 772 00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:23,279 Speaker 2: and so we're gonna need them to kind of drop 773 00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:23,760 Speaker 2: some coffee. 774 00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,680 Speaker 1: Can I just look for people who don't know Buck 775 00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:29,920 Speaker 1: and I love our caffee. We've traveled down the road before. 776 00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:33,320 Speaker 1: He says that I'm picky. I drink cole Brew black. 777 00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:36,160 Speaker 1: This dude comes in. I'll never forget this and you'll 778 00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:39,000 Speaker 1: never be able to say anything to me. Your your 779 00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:40,120 Speaker 1: Starbucks cup. 780 00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:44,120 Speaker 2: Said, They already, they already are made. Those are pre 781 00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:47,840 Speaker 2: made comments on those things. But look, this was a 782 00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:49,840 Speaker 2: lot of fun. Thanks thanks for coming on. Move to 783 00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:53,719 Speaker 2: sticks yammer guys, make sure you tune in tomorrow night. 784 00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:56,239 Speaker 2: We have another podcast at the rounds two and three, 785 00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:58,640 Speaker 2: Day two of the Draft. Until then, we'll talk to 786 00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:05,919 Speaker 2: him