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Speaker 1: You're saying that humans need fantasy to make life bearable.

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Speaker 1: Humans need fantasy to be my goodness, I don't mistaken best, relentless,

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Speaker 1: refusing to give up. All right, hit that horn very

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Speaker 1: bless their wind up, everybody. Welcome to the Fantasy Flex

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Speaker 1: podcast from the Action Network of Fantasy you have. I

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Speaker 1: am your host, Chris Raybond, and today we'll be getting

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Speaker 1: in a part two of our best Ball Round by

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Speaker 1: Round Upside episode. Once again, I am joined by Sean Kerner,

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Speaker 1: the odds maker, as well as Chris Gemino of Roto Grinders.

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Speaker 1: Both you guys made some great points in terms of

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Speaker 1: your picks rounds one through nine, so let's keep it going.

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Speaker 1: We'll start with round ten. Chris Jomino, who's your upside

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Speaker 2: You know we talked about George Kittle and Jennings in

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Speaker 2: the first half of this episode. On the second part

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Speaker 2: of this episode, we're talking about Brock Purdy. Naturally, we've

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Speaker 2: got lots of stack partners that we can get earlier

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Speaker 2: in this draft. That makes it easy to find that correlation,

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Speaker 2: and of course he's been efficient throughout his career, just

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Speaker 2: And obviously he's got weaponry to you know, perform efficiently

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Speaker 2: I think think there's just a lot to like brock

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Speaker 2: guys that you can get with elite passing upside and

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Speaker 2: one of a few guys that I think fit that Bill.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, absolutely absolutely. I mean I think at this

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Speaker 3: You know, I'm about to do my backup running back

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Speaker 1: I don't know why you would spend a pick this high,

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Speaker 2: Still, I'll call him time out just for a second here,

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Speaker 2: because I have flip flopped on this projection ten times

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Speaker 1: They've been trying to trade Etn for a while. They've

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Speaker 1: Diami Brown a one year, ten million dollar deal instead

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Speaker 2: I think you can understand though, if you just look

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Speaker 2: doesn't like the math doesn't work out as far as

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Speaker 2: think if that happens, the running the running back situation

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Speaker 2: the way to going when you know when that actually happens, Right,

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Speaker 2: Tuton's getting projected that way already, and I think that

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Speaker 2: it would have been awesome if like this was fantasy

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Speaker 1: You know, I literally I think I said the same

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Speaker 1: to bump him too. I think you're on something there.

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00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:06,399
Speaker 1: Speaking of tight ends, I know there's a guy that

431
00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:08,560
Speaker 1: I like in this one. I think Colonel likes him

432
00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:11,879
Speaker 1: as well. But Jumino starts off. I think, yeah, we're

433
00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:13,920
Speaker 1: gonna have a it's gonna be tight end heavy next

434
00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:17,119
Speaker 1: couple of rounds. But who do you like in round thirteen?

435
00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:19,879
Speaker 2: So I think I think we're on twelve with not

436
00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:20,680
Speaker 2: skip round twelve.

437
00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:25,080
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I just couldn't on the tight end. Sorry,

438
00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:26,280
Speaker 1: this is my favorite round.

439
00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:28,199
Speaker 2: Because I like the guys in this round so much

440
00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:30,640
Speaker 2: that I'm actually reaching to take him around earlier because

441
00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:33,399
Speaker 2: I don't like the guys coming up. So James Connor

442
00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:35,439
Speaker 2: is thirty years old. His body's been through a lot.

443
00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:38,560
Speaker 2: He's been through substantial cancer treatment to MCL injuries, and

444
00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:40,560
Speaker 2: I just I'm not even gonna list all these other

445
00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:43,119
Speaker 2: injuries that he's gone through. I'm not saying he's gonna

446
00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:45,200
Speaker 2: get hurt this year. I'm saying he's thirty and he could.

447
00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:47,920
Speaker 2: And even if he doesn't get hurt, the coaches in

448
00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:50,800
Speaker 2: Arizona are already talking about week We got two running

449
00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:53,920
Speaker 2: back ones. We've heard coach speak before, but let's just

450
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:57,159
Speaker 2: read the TVs here. We're talking about an explosive player

451
00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:00,400
Speaker 2: with a high speed score age twenty three, who did

452
00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:02,920
Speaker 2: well at the end of year one, has received phrase

453
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:05,040
Speaker 2: from his coaches and people thought he was going to

454
00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:08,600
Speaker 2: usurp the player we're talking about Connor last year. I'm

455
00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:10,439
Speaker 2: not saying he needs to do that to pay off

456
00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:12,439
Speaker 2: a round twelve price, like he's going to have values

457
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:14,560
Speaker 2: going to be used right from the jump. But what

458
00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:18,000
Speaker 2: I am saying is that if something goes right for Benson.

459
00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:20,600
Speaker 2: Who that's what we're talking about. Trade Benson, by the way,

460
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:23,120
Speaker 2: if he actually could usurp some of the usage from

461
00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:26,879
Speaker 2: Connor that has been sort of earmarked by every projection

462
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,240
Speaker 2: system that I can find and go in his direction.

463
00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:31,840
Speaker 2: He can already produce upside without even winning the job

464
00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:34,520
Speaker 2: or getting an injury to give him the full command

465
00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:36,320
Speaker 2: to the backfield. And you want to talk about upside,

466
00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:40,480
Speaker 2: what happens if James Connor is injured? Who else is

467
00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:44,160
Speaker 2: going to take usage away from Trey Benson in this backfield?

468
00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:46,560
Speaker 1: I don't think Emery de Mercado.

469
00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:49,679
Speaker 2: And there's some names on this chart that aren't exactly

470
00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:53,760
Speaker 2: getting me excited or worried for that particular scenario. I

471
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:57,119
Speaker 2: love the upside on Trey Benson. He's someone you can

472
00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:00,320
Speaker 2: use without realizing that upside and not have your ross

473
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:03,880
Speaker 2: get killed. He makes for anti fragile running back zero

474
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 2: RB hero RB builds in my estimation a lot better,

475
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:09,520
Speaker 2: and I've been drafting him quite a bit.

476
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:13,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the only concern with Benson really is,

477
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:15,480
Speaker 1: you know, now he's now that he's had a year

478
00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:17,680
Speaker 1: under his belt, Okay, do they trust him more in

479
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:20,040
Speaker 1: the past game. I think. I think that's really what

480
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,560
Speaker 1: was disappointing last year because he definitely started to cut

481
00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:25,520
Speaker 1: into Connor's work at times, but it seemed like Connor

482
00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:27,879
Speaker 1: would still just play like seventy eighty percent of the

483
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 1: pass snaps. So but now he's got a year under

484
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 1: his belt. I agree. I think de Marcado, I mean,

485
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,480
Speaker 1: does he I mean he's probably a cut candidate. I

486
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:40,199
Speaker 1: guess you got Michael Carter there as well, but Benson

487
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:43,280
Speaker 1: is clearly the guy. I think they want to kind

488
00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:46,480
Speaker 1: of follow in in Connor's footsteps. And I mean this

489
00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:49,280
Speaker 1: guy until last year, this guys you could just book

490
00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:52,520
Speaker 1: him missing like, you know, three to five games, and

491
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:55,879
Speaker 1: so we'll see how that goes. But yeah, I think

492
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,960
Speaker 1: this Cardinals team is Cardinals offense kind of got fine

493
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 1: a little under the eight are uh just overall this year?

494
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 1: All right? Current round twelve?

495
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 3: Uh Yeah, I like JJ McCarthy here because you know,

496
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:15,720
Speaker 3: last year, once McCarthy went down, that's when I was saying,

497
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 3: you know, Sam Darnold's a potential league winner because then

498
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,400
Speaker 3: we could we could now project him to basically start

499
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:23,440
Speaker 3: every game this season once he's healthy.

500
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 1: But this this scheme.

501
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 3: You know under Kevin O'Connell's solid. But they just have

502
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:33,680
Speaker 3: so many elite pass catchers obviously with Justin Jefferson, Jordan Addison, TJ.

503
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:39,120
Speaker 1: Howkinson. Great team to have stacks. Yeah, the touchdown guys

504
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 1: just a great were according to the contract numbers. Jeezus.

505
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:48,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, Josh Oliver too. I forgot about him, but great

506
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 3: team to stack. But McCarthy, you know, he has sneaky

507
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 3: rushing upside too, So I think he has legit QB

508
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:57,680
Speaker 3: one upside if if he clicks a year or two here.

509
00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 3: And while he missed the entire season, he was still

510
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:02,680
Speaker 3: able to you know, be in the film room, be

511
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:06,200
Speaker 3: at practice, be around everything. So he's probably going to

512
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 3: have a shorter learning curve than most guys. And what

513
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:11,399
Speaker 3: it's going to be his rookie season. And I mean,

514
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 3: if you guys remember Jamino, I know you're a preseason

515
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 3: to jen with me. You know, he saw a limited

516
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,119
Speaker 3: action he played one game, but he looked great. The

517
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:22,720
Speaker 3: hype was you know, happening after that game, but he

518
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:26,160
Speaker 3: looked really good. Obviously we can't overact the one preseason game.

519
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 3: But either way, you know, he looks solid. This is

520
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:32,200
Speaker 3: a great system. I think he's gonna hit the ground running,

521
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,199
Speaker 3: So I think he has a legit QB one upside.

522
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 3: So the fact you can get him in round twelve

523
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:38,960
Speaker 3: at this point you'll know if you have Viking stacks,

524
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:40,960
Speaker 3: So you know, if you have a Viking stack, you

525
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:42,480
Speaker 3: might have to take him a little bit earlier, so

526
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:45,879
Speaker 3: nobody snipes him from you. But really good team to stack,

527
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 3: and then by now you'll know when to have your

528
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:49,560
Speaker 3: JJ McCarthy shares.

529
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 1: But I think he has a ton of upside.

530
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 3: We saw it last year with Sam Darnold, so you

531
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 3: know I love McCarthy's upside right here in round twelve.

532
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm gonna kind of go soroute because y'all

533
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 1: know that I'm gonna have some Jaguar stacks by now,

534
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:06,920
Speaker 1: so I gotta go with my guy Trevor Lawrence, but

535
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 1: like instead of like, because I feel like we've kind

536
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:11,960
Speaker 1: of been glazing Lean Cone a little bit here, so

537
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 1: let me actually get into some details of how I

538
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:20,159
Speaker 1: think he can he can improve this Jaguar offense and

539
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 1: help Lawrence in particular similarly to the way that he

540
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:27,159
Speaker 1: helped Baker Mayfield. So one of the clear tells for

541
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:30,399
Speaker 1: me that Lawrence has been in bad offenses with bad coaching,

542
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:34,479
Speaker 1: you know back some bad supporting cast around him as well.

543
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 1: Is on throws in under two and a half seconds,

544
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:44,639
Speaker 1: Lawrence ranked bottom five out of forty four qualifiers in

545
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 1: yards per attempt, just five point one yards per tenp. Now,

546
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,360
Speaker 1: these are the scheme throws where he has a defined

547
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:53,159
Speaker 1: read in the you know, in the in just the

548
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 1: flow of the offense. Like these are the players called

549
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:57,920
Speaker 1: this is where you go if this coverage and that

550
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 1: like that's that's like he's not making any decision. He's

551
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 1: literally just getting the ball out and he's getting nothing

552
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:10,359
Speaker 1: to show for absolutely zero. Well, in William Cohen's offense

553
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:14,920
Speaker 1: with Baker Mayfield, six point eight yards in attempt, number

554
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 1: two in yardage, number one in touchdowns on throws in

555
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 1: two and a half seconds or less. That tells you

556
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 1: that Baker Mayfold doesn't didn't even have to do stuff

557
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,920
Speaker 1: on I mean, he threw what is it, forty one touchdowns,

558
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:30,359
Speaker 1: twenty eight of them came and throws two and a

559
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:33,359
Speaker 1: half seconds or less. So that is the upside of

560
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:36,360
Speaker 1: a William Cohne offense. It's the route combinations, it's the play.

561
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 1: It's the play design, it's the play calls. Another thing,

562
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence thirtieth in yards after catch on his completions

563
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 1: last year four point eight. Mayfield went from five point three,

564
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 1: which was already higher, to six point zero in his

565
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 1: first year under Cohen, which was near the top of

566
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 1: the league. So again, just a lot of help with

567
00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 1: the route combinations, the scheming and things of that nature

568
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 1: that are a little bit out of the quarterbacks control,

569
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:06,959
Speaker 1: but he can still benefit from statistically. And the other thing,

570
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 1: Lawrence always around we averager better in yards per attempt

571
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 1: after that disastrous rookie year with Urban, and in a

572
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 1: lot of other metrics. So why is he so met

573
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 1: One of the reasons he doesn't really throw touchdown He's

574
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 1: been terrible converting in the red zone. Just twenty percent

575
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 1: of his red zone pass attempts have gone for touchdowns

576
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 1: week average usually around twenty five percent Baker Mayfield last year,

577
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 1: and this was coming off a good year with Canalis

578
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 1: where he took a step forward already. But last year

579
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 1: he goes from twenty three percent which is the hair

580
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 1: under weak average, to thirty seven percent in the Liam

581
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 1: Cohen offense red zone. If you remember Arthur Smith used

582
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 1: to be really good with that with Tannehill and Tennessee

583
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 1: at red zone scheming. So these are a few of

584
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 1: the ways which I think William Cohen addition, can help

585
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence and his entire Jags offense and why I'm

586
00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 1: so bullish on them. So Lauren for me in round twelve,

587
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 1: Round thirteen, Gumano, Right.

588
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 2: If you look at the medium projection for Josh Palmer,

589
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 2: you're not that excited because you know, historically he's been

590
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 2: sort of a bland player, right, he's had some opportunity.

591
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 2: It hasn't been like a ton, but it's you know,

592
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 2: you just don't look at Josh Palmer as an upside player.

593
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 2: But in the best ball game, when you're talking about

594
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 2: this deep in the draft, you're basically out of good

595
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:32,959
Speaker 2: options for players who can be consistent starters in the league, right,

596
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 2: especially on a team like the Buffalo Bills, where there

597
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 2: is inarguably a fantastic quarterback in play who likes to

598
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 2: throw touchdown passes.

599
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 1: It's his job, you might say.

600
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:45,959
Speaker 2: But you know, of course Josh Palmer is looked at

601
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 2: as like sort of an ambiguous player because you've got

602
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 2: Kean Coleman, who they drafted last year. I think it

603
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 2: would be a mistake to say that he's clearly in

604
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 2: line for the second biggest workload. It is definitely possible

605
00:30:56,160 --> 00:31:00,080
Speaker 2: that Kean Coleman could ascend to that location, but I

606
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 2: have yet to hear any coach and the Bill say

607
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 2: something that is unqualifyingly positive about that player.

608
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:05,479
Speaker 1: Now.

609
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 2: They're probably just like hard coaching him right because they

610
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 2: want him to evolve into something that he hasn't been

611
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 2: in his rookie season. But I'm just saying everything that

612
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 2: they're saying right now about Josh Palmer. For certainly, just

613
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 2: by signing him, they're saying something. And then they go

614
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 2: on to say that he can line up all over

615
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 2: the field, that he can be versatile. I think they're

616
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 2: in envisioning him as their primary outside target. I'm not

617
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 2: saying that means that's going to lead to like primary

618
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 2: arts outside target production and fantasy football. But you don't

619
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 2: need that from around thirteen pick. What you need is

620
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 2: the opportunity to have twenty percent target share weeks, and

621
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 2: it doesn't take that much to envision that happening on

622
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 2: occasion for Josh Palmer. And if somebody gets hurt and

623
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 2: the opportunity starts to swell in his direction. I think

624
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 2: it could be a move that is very cheap with

625
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 2: very little downside, that pays off in a big way

626
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 2: on one of the league's best offenses.

627
00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Bills are just everybody eats and they're doing

628
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,479
Speaker 1: it doing it right, man. They're just they realized they

629
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 1: got Josh Allen a special quarterback. They're just letting this

630
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 1: Brady got cooked. They're like, hey, you're like you want

631
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 1: to you want to get rid of digs and just

632
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 1: get Amari Cooper and throw to him eighteen times one

633
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 1: game and none for the rest of the season, And like,

634
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 1: do you like it's working? So like Palmer's gonna get

635
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 1: his opportunity. And I mean, I think it's wide open

636
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 1: there because like I and Sean, I mean, you could

637
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 1: talk about Coleman if you want, but I haven't really

638
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 1: seen anything from Coleman like that. Like I kind of agree,

639
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 1: like I haven't seen much enough from Coleman to suggest

640
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 1: that that he's going to like improve. I guess you

641
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 1: could say in year two, like you know a lot

642
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 1: like it, he's kind of went downhill in my opinion

643
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 1: as the year progressed. So yeah, I think I think

644
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 1: that this Bill's receiver is wide open, and like this

645
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 1: is a team. I mean, sometimes they would come out

646
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 1: and they would they would go like forty five pass attempts.

647
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 1: Other times they would run the ball the whole game.

648
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 1: A lot of variants here. So I don't mind Stack.

649
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 1: I don't mind investing in these Bills receivers at all

650
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 1: because he's spending his high pick on Josh Allen. Now

651
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 1: he's going to be a running quarterback, but his receivers

652
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 1: are just so cheap. I mean, you know, paulmer Coleman,

653
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 1: I think even you Kira is undervalue honestly compared to

654
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 1: his upside in terms of his volume kin k Maybe

655
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 1: Elijah Moore breaks through it, who knows it? I mean, yeah,

656
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 1: I think you got to take your shots here with

657
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 1: the Bills, all right, current Who do you like here? Yeah?

658
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 1: I gotta go with Isaiah Likely.

659
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 3: You know, It's it's pretty rare for a backup tight

660
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 3: end to really offer top five, top ten upside if

661
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 3: the starter were to go down, but that's that's likely.

662
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 3: And you know, even Andrews was healthy all last season,

663
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 3: but Likely was much more involved last year, and he

664
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 3: actually finished sixteenth at tight end in best ball points

665
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 3: added per game. And like I said, Andrews is healthy

666
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 3: every single game, so that's kind of like his floor

667
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 3: right now in this offense. And he's being drafted as

668
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:13,800
Speaker 3: the tight end seventeen, so fair price for him. But

669
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 3: you know, anytime Andrews miss his time, he has top

670
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 3: five upside. It was twenty thirteen when Andrews missed the

671
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:22,800
Speaker 3: last handful of games of the season, likely was the

672
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,359
Speaker 3: tight end three. So that's what we're dealing with here.

673
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 3: You're getting a guy who's probably at fair price right

674
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:32,320
Speaker 3: now at tight end seventeen, with that built upside, potential

675
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 3: top five upside if Andrews miss his time. So round thirteen,

676
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:38,359
Speaker 3: I don't mind taking a flyer and likely here.

677
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 1: Absolutely. I mean, Jermino guy hit on it, you're not

678
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 1: gonna find you. I mean, it's gonna be more luck

679
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 1: than anything if you hit on like a guy that

680
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,320
Speaker 1: ends up being consistent. So you just need some like

681
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 1: some high upside weeks. And look at this for Isaiah.

682
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:56,840
Speaker 1: Likely by week five of last season, Isaiah, like we

683
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 1: already had a TE one finish and a t E

684
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:04,279
Speaker 1: four finish that's five weeks into the season as the

685
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:07,320
Speaker 1: number two tight end on the Baltimore Ravens, and he

686
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 1: could have had a full ten more points in his

687
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 1: te one week because that was Week one where he

688
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:14,799
Speaker 1: was out by a toe against Kansas City. That would

689
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 1: have been another like nine ten points if he catches

690
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:21,439
Speaker 1: that touchdown. So uh, that's so, that's that's that only

691
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:24,760
Speaker 1: he actually only added about three more top twelve finishes,

692
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 1: obviously held back by the role. But then let's go

693
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 1: back to twenty twenty three. The last five weeks of

694
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three tight end three, tight end five, tight

695
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 1: end twenty three, tight end three, tight end ten. So

696
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:39,759
Speaker 1: the last five weeks of twenty twenty three and the

697
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,799
Speaker 1: first five weeks of twenty twenty four, you're talking about

698
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:46,360
Speaker 1: a guy that had a top five finish fifty percent

699
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 1: of the time. And this is you know, kind of

700
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:53,320
Speaker 1: you know, some injury replacement time and some just flat

701
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 1: out number two tight end. But again he's more just

702
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 1: a slot receiver. You know, six plays like sixty percent

703
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:01,839
Speaker 1: of the snaps. It's just like a big slot at

704
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 1: this point, not going to really block too much. And

705
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 1: also even in his rookie year, he had a tight

706
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 1: end two finish and a tight end three finish. So

707
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 1: you're talking about a guy that's put up a ton

708
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 1: of top three like week winning type of weeks in

709
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 1: Fantasy in his short career. This guy's never averaged more

710
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,760
Speaker 1: than three point seventy five targets per game in his career,

711
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 1: and that was his rookie year. So you talk about upside,

712
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 1: I mean Mark andrew I mean, if they throw that

713
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:37,439
Speaker 1: boat and Likely instead of Andrews, maybe maybe we're talking

714
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:40,320
Speaker 1: about a Raven Chiefs super Bowl. Excuse me, a Raven's

715
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 1: ego super Bowl. So, uh yeah, I think I think

716
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:49,840
Speaker 1: Likely is definitely a target for me in this spot.

717
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:53,319
Speaker 1: You know, tight ends one of those positions where it's

718
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 1: it could it could get ugly, and a lot of

719
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 1: the guys that are drafted high week could end up

720
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 1: disappointing or just being very not being really difference makers.

721
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:02,360
Speaker 1: So to be able to even get a guy with

722
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 1: you know, two three four, top top three, top five

723
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 1: weeks throughout the season could be very, very valuable. All right,

724
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 1: Round fourteen, Tomino.

725
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:14,799
Speaker 2: We like, Yeah, I'm passing the mic to you guys

726
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 2: because I think we all have the same pick here

727
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:19,760
Speaker 2: in round fourteen, and you guys are the Jaguars experts.

728
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 2: I'm deeming you guys that I mean that the players

729
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 2: Strange like he's getting drafted way too late for the opportunity.

730
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 1: But let you guys talk about the situation. Sean. I

731
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 1: think Sean is the leader of the Brenton Strange.

732
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 3: Frank goes out, Okay, yeah, where the Jaguars at you're

733
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 3: glazing them to. I love Brenton Strange here. This is

734
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 3: like round thirteen fourteen with Likely and Strange. Great time

735
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:44,400
Speaker 3: to get like your last tight end. A ton of

736
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 3: upside here because whenever Evan Ingram missed time last year,

737
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 3: Strange was essentially a near one for one replacement for him.

738
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,399
Speaker 3: You know, there was two different four game stretches where

739
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 3: Ingram missed and Strange finished tight end nine over the

740
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 3: first four games and then tight end seventeen over the

741
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:05,439
Speaker 3: next four game fill in and including that eleven catch

742
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 3: game in week fifteen. So he kind of flashed really

743
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 3: high ceiling. But now with Ingram and Denver, this should

744
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 3: be Strange leading the tight end room and Lion Combe.

745
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 3: We've been glazing Lian Cohen all off season, but he's

746
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 3: been sneaking good for tight ends in twenty twenty two

747
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:26,800
Speaker 3: when he was the Rams offensive coordinator. I guess in

748
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 3: title only that was Higbee's top season. That was his

749
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 3: career year, and then last year Cayeatton had his career

750
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 3: in Tampa. So you know, I think Cohen should maximize

751
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 3: strange upside here and strange I mean, he's a talented

752
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 3: tight end. He was what a second round pick, so

753
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 3: he's no slouch, and I think, you know, people are

754
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 3: definitely overlooking him for him to be going all the

755
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 3: way around fourteen here.

756
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I will say, he's probably like I like him,

757
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 1: but he's my least favorite, just because I like everyone

758
00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 1: out so much more. I do think it's going to

759
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 1: kind of like a similar situation to kott and in

760
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:04,839
Speaker 1: Tampa last year, where if guys are healthy, he's gonna

761
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 1: be running a lot of routes, probably will be the

762
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 1: least targeted of those guys, because I even heard Cohen

763
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 1: say something like in reference to Touton, like, you know,

764
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:15,279
Speaker 1: we want to get the back out and routes, kind

765
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 1: of the same thing Peyton was saying about Harvey, like

766
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 1: we want to get the back out and routes. We

767
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 1: can have the tight end, you know, do some more

768
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 1: things in pass protection to kind of make up for it.

769
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:25,839
Speaker 1: So I think you'll see him out there every down,

770
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 1: but it'll probably you know, perfect for basketball, they don't

771
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,919
Speaker 1: have to predict which weeks it is. But his full

772
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 1: upside I think wouldn't be realized unless Hunter plays more

773
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 1: defense than we expect or you know, somebody gets injured

774
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 1: or something like that. But still way undervalued here. Again,

775
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,319
Speaker 1: just with the upside of this offense in general. I mean,

776
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 1: this is like you're talking about a nine point increase

777
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 1: for Tampa Bay last year. I mean, he could just

778
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 1: be one of those tight ends that ends up having

779
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 1: like an outlier touchdown season because again, Lawrence has underperformed

780
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 1: in the red zone maybe straight that's where Strange is

781
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:04,879
Speaker 1: a factor. So a lot to like with him. But yeah,

782
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 1: we're all we all went with Strange the trifecta for

783
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:12,360
Speaker 1: round fourteen. Brent Strange tight end, Jags round fifteen, so

784
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 1: we've got four rounds left. Jamino round fifteen. We like

785
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:17,279
Speaker 1: for ups out here.

786
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 2: Well, I like players who get glazed by their coach

787
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:25,360
Speaker 2: the same way that this podcast glazes Jaguars coaches.

788
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 1: Yea themselves.

789
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 2: But Alec Pearce has been praised up and down by

790
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 2: the current coaching staff as someone who they can trust

791
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:35,839
Speaker 2: and someone that they certainly trust a lot more than

792
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 2: someone like in a Ni Mitchell. And you got someone

793
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:41,399
Speaker 2: like Michael Pittman, who's showing up with back injuries last

794
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 2: year and already showing up with an injury this summer.

795
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 2: Not necessarily the most trustworthy option, but not even somebody

796
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 2: that we really care to consider in this conversation, because

797
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 2: you don't need to consider it when you're talking about

798
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 2: this deep in the draft. Really what you're looking at

799
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:57,720
Speaker 2: as a player if you go to his player profile,

800
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 2: or who has explosive athletic traits, who has demonstrated those

801
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:04,319
Speaker 2: athletic traits on tape as recently as last year, someone

802
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 2: who had like almost fifteen hundred air yards but only

803
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 2: realized half of them because his quarterbacks are absolute garbage. Now,

804
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 2: Daniel Jones isn't exactly the picture of non garbage, but

805
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 2: I will say that I do think there could be

806
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 2: some improvement here if he ends up being the quarterback.

807
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:20,319
Speaker 2: And certainly the price tag that we're paying for Alec

808
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 2: Pierce requires very little in the way of absolutely consistent

809
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:26,360
Speaker 2: weekly production. But it is something that I think you

810
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 2: could find in some percentage of the range of outcomes

811
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 2: if you played this season over and over again. So

812
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 2: I do think that Alk Pierce is going to be

813
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 2: on the field a considerable amount in twenty twenty five.

814
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 2: As a stands right now, we don't really need to

815
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:41,359
Speaker 2: worry about Josh Downs. That's a different archetype and role

816
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 2: in this offense that I think we should be worried about.

817
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 2: If we're worried about Josh Downs, we're worried about what's

818
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 2: going on with their new tight end, right Like I

819
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 2: think how often are they.

820
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:50,439
Speaker 1: Going to be in three wide receiver sets.

821
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:52,319
Speaker 2: I do think that Pierce is going to be someone

822
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 2: lined up quite a bit on the outside for this

823
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 2: team this year, and somebody who quite frankly, I almost

824
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 2: I mean, I understand the price, but I I kind

825
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 2: of don't you know. I haven't graded you know, a

826
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 2: couple of rounds higher than this, And just in ter

827
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 2: his projection, I have to actually pump the brakes. It's

828
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 2: so bad, Like I have to like dial it back

829
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 2: and just make sure that I'm considering the downside when

830
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 2: I do my projection. On him, because otherwise he would

831
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 2: be one of the best value picks in the draft.

832
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 2: But I again, I do see the downside on a

833
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 2: player like this, like he could certainly just be running

834
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 2: you know.

835
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 1: Chris Hogan es. Yeah, you know at exercise routes out

836
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 1: there white guy comparisons. Here we are first one of

837
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 1: twenty five boom card if you picked what is this

838
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:36,319
Speaker 1: June tenth, first white guy receiver. Pop. Here we are,

839
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 1: we're live fantasy flex. Let's go.

840
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 2: I'll go find you know, a more diverse route who

841
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 2: runs fly routes and doesn't get targets or gets thrown

842
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 2: fifty yards over his head by a bad quarterback.

843
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:50,839
Speaker 1: That's why I happened to Alec Pierce. That's the point here.

844
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 2: And I just think I'm gonna, you know, when I'm

845
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 2: trying to fill up that seventh, eighth, ninth wide receiver

846
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:58,800
Speaker 2: spot in my underdog basketball drafts, I'm gonna ahead and

847
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 2: slide some Alcouston there seems too cheap.

848
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, like I was. I mean, I've made a

849
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 1: lot of money on that at PRIs and DFS. I

850
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:10,439
Speaker 1: just think they're especially in bastball, you know, the people

851
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 1: that are playing basketball, especially the people that are playing

852
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:17,319
Speaker 1: early and kind of defining adp are also probably gonna

853
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:20,399
Speaker 1: be big dynasty heads and they tend to favor certain guys,

854
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:23,320
Speaker 1: and so aDNA Mitchell, I think it was a pretty

855
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 1: popular kind of upside pick, and I think there's just

856
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 1: kind of this bias there where everyone's just expecting him

857
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 1: to take over for Pierce, because you know Pittman. I mean,

858
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:36,720
Speaker 1: when he's healthy, he's playing every snap and is supposed

859
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 1: to be their wide receiver one, and then Downs kind

860
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 1: of broke out and he can be like a target

861
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 1: hog at times. So, uh, Piers seems to be out

862
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 1: of it out, but I agree, I mean, for he's

863
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 1: he literally gets the best type of targets for fantasy,

864
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 1: and he's super cheap. He gets super deep targets that

865
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 1: turn into touchdowns. And as a bonus, when you're talking

866
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 1: about just like roster construction and overall upside and all

867
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 1: that stuff, like when like Shawn Is said it so

868
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 1: many times, when Alice Pierce catches an eighty yard touchdown,

869
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:07,280
Speaker 1: that's eighty yards of Jonathan Taylor and Downs and Pittman

870
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 1: and all those guys can't gain on a drive. And

871
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 1: when you're talking about the Colts. You don't know how

872
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 1: many drives are gonna get. So yeah, I think I

873
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:19,400
Speaker 1: love Irik Pierce. I think that is that is like

874
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 1: him away. Yeah yeah, he'll hipper free on the practice

875
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 1: squad in about a year. I will not stand for

876
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:33,840
Speaker 1: any eighty Mitchell hate here. No. I mean I would

877
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 1: say this though, like people, if you go back and

878
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 1: watch the film, like it wasn't all on ar with

879
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 1: with with Mitchell, like Mitchell will will alligate her hands

880
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 1: a little. I'm just gonna run out of bound instead

881
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:48,880
Speaker 1: of running the route straight down the field like Mitchell

882
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 1: contributed a lot to his own struggles. I will say

883
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 1: so that That's why I'm a little concerned and why

884
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:57,400
Speaker 1: I'm bullish on Pierce. Ceroneer.

885
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:01,359
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go Jaalen right here. You know, very disappointing

886
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 3: rookie season last year. I was pretty high on him

887
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:08,400
Speaker 3: because you know, he's their fourth round pick, very fast,

888
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 3: great fit for the Dolphins offense, and with you know,

889
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:14,320
Speaker 3: eh Chan and most are there. They had battle injuries

890
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 3: year before. I thought he was going to have a shot,

891
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:19,800
Speaker 3: didn't really have a shot and just wasn't. He didn't

892
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 3: play well. The coaching staff, it was kind of in

893
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 3: the doghouse, So I think he could bounce back this year,

894
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 3: kind of like how Tank Bigsby did last year, where

895
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 3: this point a rookie season, then you know he was better.

896
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:30,799
Speaker 1: In near two.

897
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:34,279
Speaker 3: But you know most Art's gone, so right, should be

898
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 3: a Chan's backup. But we've seen this offense produce, you know,

899
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:43,239
Speaker 3: two viable fancy backs at the same time, and Chan

900
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 3: was healthy every game last year.

901
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:46,320
Speaker 1: That's that's probably unlikely.

902
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 3: Again, we expect most running backs to miss two to

903
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:51,400
Speaker 3: three games this season, so I think, right, we'll have

904
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:53,839
Speaker 3: a shot to prove himselves this year.

905
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:55,759
Speaker 1: So I'm not ready to write him off yet.

906
00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:58,799
Speaker 3: And you know, his value is obviously the tank here

907
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 3: going around fifteen, but I think he does offer enough

908
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 3: upside I think to take in this this round. There

909
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 3: are some good backup running backs in this round, like

910
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 3: Rico Dawdell, Will Shipley, JK Dobbin. So I think this

911
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:13,800
Speaker 3: is definitely a round I'm gonna be taking, you know,

912
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 3: a running back, but I think, you know, someone like

913
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:18,359
Speaker 3: Jalen Wright I was high on last year.

914
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 1: I'm giving a second chance this year.

915
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 3: I think he'll he'll bounce back this year with the

916
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:25,720
Speaker 3: better sophomore season for the Dolphins.

917
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, very very disappointing rookie year, but don't

918
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 1: mind betting on speed. And I mean the Dolphins, I

919
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 1: don't know what's going on with them. If you ever

920
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 1: visited to a Big Daniel press conference, I used to

921
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:42,759
Speaker 1: think this guy was like like a defensive genius. Now

922
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:45,880
Speaker 1: I think he just he just like makes up phrases

923
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 1: in words just to like fill the time in the

924
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 1: media sessions, like I don't know what this guy's talking about.

925
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 1: That's what happens when you start losing, I guess. But yeah,

926
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:57,800
Speaker 1: I don't hate it, especially with the veterans gone a

927
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 1: query want want one right to take a step forward.

928
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 1: I actually got a couple guys here. It was a

929
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 1: tie for me. So the first guy is Pat Bryant,

930
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:14,879
Speaker 1: rookie wide receiver for the Denver Broncos. I've been playing

931
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 1: fantasy a long time. One thing just kind of like

932
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 1: I was talking about with Cohen, how you out roll

933
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:25,319
Speaker 1: for all his skill guys immediately. Sean Payton doesn't really

934
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:27,919
Speaker 1: necessarily matter where the guy goes in the draft. Sean

935
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 1: Payton generally has an idea of what he wants the

936
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:33,239
Speaker 1: guy to do. And that's you know the fact that

937
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:38,920
Speaker 1: you went from he drafted Franklin and Veyway last year

938
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:41,800
Speaker 1: and ended up being your starting slot for most of

939
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 1: the year, and then you're still going back to the

940
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 1: well again at wide receiver in round three. That tells

941
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:52,439
Speaker 1: me that Sean Payton is not satisfied and he's still

942
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 1: looking for something, looking for some upside at receiver. And

943
00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 1: he says he sees shades of Michael Thomas and this

944
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:02,359
Speaker 1: guy Pat Bryant not not quite a stick but six

945
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 1: three to one, ninety eighteen point two yards per catch,

946
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:11,239
Speaker 1: ten touchdowns the last season at at Illinois. And you know,

947
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:16,399
Speaker 1: Courtman Sutton pretty solid number one, but very every few

948
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 1: years you see a guy like this in the mid

949
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:21,319
Speaker 1: round just kind of take everyone by surprise and end

950
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 1: up being like the alpha for their team. And I

951
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:26,879
Speaker 1: think I think this Broncos offense is kind of wide

952
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:29,440
Speaker 1: open enough that I could see that. I think Peyton

953
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 1: clearly is going to give him a shot too. And

954
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 1: I don't think he's sold on any of those other

955
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:35,880
Speaker 1: those guys that he wouldn't have made the pick, especially

956
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 1: with Mims kind of breaking out down the stretch. As well.

957
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 1: So like Pat Bryant, he's kind of flying under the radar,

958
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 1: but I think he's worth a dart at this point

959
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 1: in the draft. And the other guy I mentioned is

960
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:49,279
Speaker 1: Will Shipley. I see some depth charts list him as

961
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 1: the third running back on the Eagles behind aj Dillon,

962
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 1: who has done exactly what in the last like I

963
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 1: don't know, years of his career. I think the Eagles

964
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:00,839
Speaker 1: are going to value the continuity here with Shipley, who

965
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:03,239
Speaker 1: they drafted in Round four a season ago and let

966
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 1: go of Kenny Gainwell. I think that's just this is

967
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 1: Shipley's next up here, didn't didn't have too much success

968
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:12,880
Speaker 1: in the regular season, busted a long run in the playoffs.

969
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 1: But you're talking about a guy in Sakuon Barkley who

970
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:20,400
Speaker 1: was the top back in fantasy. Now he's on the

971
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 1: wrong side of twenty eight at a career high in

972
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:25,919
Speaker 1: touches regular and postseason sego Barker into eighty four hundred

973
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:29,839
Speaker 1: eighty two touches last year four hundred and eighty two.

974
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:32,840
Speaker 1: This is the guy that hasn't exactly been the picture

975
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 1: of hell like throughout his career. Now he's at the

976
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 1: wrong side of the pks for running back still got

977
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 1: one of the best lines in the league. So I

978
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 1: think Will Shipley is a guy who I'm I'm sure

979
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 1: Sean you'll you'll talk about him in your in your

980
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 1: running back backup piece, But are do you do you

981
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:52,880
Speaker 1: also view him as kind of the number two? Are

982
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:55,320
Speaker 1: you on? Do you think it's dying as well? I

983
00:49:56,120 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 1: know what are you talking about? I mean last year

984
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 1: everyone was telling me like like it was Marshaw, whyde

985
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:05,719
Speaker 1: over Josh Jacobs, Like so, I don't sometimes people get

986
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 1: weird with these packer running or former packer running backs.

987
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:10,320
Speaker 1: I don't know, like it it's I just had to

988
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 1: confirm that. But yeah, I think continuity is going to

989
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:15,879
Speaker 1: be valued here. I think Shipley gets to gets the shot. Yeah.

990
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:19,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would consider Shipley the backup here. Dylan would

991
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:23,280
Speaker 3: be great to help on the toush push, but Chipley's

992
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 3: Shipley's the back of running back.

993
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, Dylan is like the Trey Sermon or the tie

994
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:30,399
Speaker 1: Ti Davis Price, like just a guy either gonna either

995
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:33,759
Speaker 1: game day, scratch every week or what now. Because they

996
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:39,279
Speaker 1: also speaking to Jaguars, the Eagles claimed Kewan Robinson off

997
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:41,839
Speaker 1: the There was a point in time this is great.

998
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 2: I don't think I've ever talked about this in a podcast.

999
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 2: There was a point in time where Trey Sermon was

1000
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:50,400
Speaker 2: making more per snap than Christian McCaffery because he was

1001
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 2: getting game day inactive without any snaps like every single week,

1002
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:55,879
Speaker 2: like so like his salary, we're working.

1003
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:57,880
Speaker 1: It was. It was absolutely insane how much money that

1004
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:01,439
Speaker 1: guy was making to not work. Oh my god, such

1005
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 1: as the life of a forty nine er running back.

1006
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:07,120
Speaker 1: Christian McCaffrey didn't work much less last season either, Neither

1007
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:12,360
Speaker 1: did Elijah Mitchell, Isaac Garrendo, Who am I missing? I

1008
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:15,400
Speaker 1: know I'm missing somebody, But yeah, they it's it's how

1009
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 1: it goes with the Niners running back. So we got,

1010
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 1: like Sean Away says, take the guy that you think

1011
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:22,279
Speaker 1: it's gonna be, and then draft the other guy, and

1012
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 1: then the other guy, and then the other guy.

1013
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 3: He sooth, Yeah, the fourth guy that you would consider draft,

1014
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 3: the guy that's not going.

1015
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 1: To be on the roster in week one. It is

1016
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 1: ultimately the guy that you want to drafted the Niner backfield.

1017
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:37,760
Speaker 1: But all right, we got three more left. Round sixteen.

1018
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:40,239
Speaker 2: Tomino, Yeah, I'm gonna pass this off because my pick

1019
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 2: for round sixteen.

1020
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 1: I guess I was being optimistic, was Jalen?

1021
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:42,920
Speaker 4: Right?

1022
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:45,400
Speaker 2: And the other thing I'll add to the conversation here

1023
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:47,279
Speaker 2: is that Alexander Madison sucks.

1024
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 1: And you should not damn it. Yeah, agreed, agreed. We

1025
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:55,200
Speaker 1: have plenty of time to roast Alexander Madison if you

1026
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:57,399
Speaker 1: want to elaborate on that. No, no, I will just watch.

1027
00:51:57,480 --> 00:51:59,439
Speaker 1: This is a safe space. Steel snaps from right during

1028
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 1: the season in the exact Rham moster role, they will

1029
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:06,960
Speaker 1: punch ourselves in the face. So yeah, let's just move

1030
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 1: on at this one. I don't have time to deal

1031
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:11,840
Speaker 1: with this dolphin backfield right now. McGann has already pissed

1032
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:14,120
Speaker 1: me off. Currner, who do you like?

1033
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 3: Well, likes a stronger, but he's a guy that I

1034
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 3: think offers unique upside in this round. It's Keenan Allen,

1035
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 3: who's still not on a team. But you know last

1036
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:28,920
Speaker 3: year he finished thirty fourth in points per game, so

1037
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 3: I don't think he's fully washed at age thirty three.

1038
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:33,520
Speaker 1: And I know you know he's a tough click. Because

1039
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:34,200
Speaker 1: he's not on a team.

1040
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:37,319
Speaker 3: I mean he might retire, so there is risk here,

1041
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:40,320
Speaker 3: but I think you know he's He's an elite route runner,

1042
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:42,880
Speaker 3: so I think he could have one or two solid

1043
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:45,480
Speaker 3: seasons left. But with him, I think he's actually in

1044
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 3: a good spot because not being with a team, he

1045
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 3: could land in a situation where he is, you know,

1046
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:53,439
Speaker 3: gonna get a ton of targets. You know, we could

1047
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:57,320
Speaker 3: have a top receiver go down, or like Stefan Diggs

1048
00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:00,200
Speaker 3: you get busted for sharing b E snacks on a

1049
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 3: boat again and get cut, you know, and the Patriots

1050
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:04,959
Speaker 3: bringing Keenan Allen.

1051
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 1: So he has multiple paths. He's not stuck on a

1052
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:08,839
Speaker 1: dut chart right now.

1053
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:11,560
Speaker 3: He has paths to potentially land in a spot where

1054
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:13,239
Speaker 3: he could be a top two target. So I think

1055
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:15,839
Speaker 3: taking him around sixteen again is risky. I don't even

1056
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:17,799
Speaker 3: know if he's going to sign or play this year,

1057
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:20,719
Speaker 3: but he is in a unique spot where he can

1058
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:23,359
Speaker 3: kind of pick a landing spot that makes sense, where

1059
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 3: he's probably gonna get targets. So I think taking him

1060
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 3: in round sixteen again, Like I said, there's unique upside here.

1061
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:33,800
Speaker 1: I mean, who were kidding? He's going to be on

1062
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:37,080
Speaker 1: the Ravens and then get like in a dispute, the

1063
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 1: Ravens are gonna cut him and he's gonna go to

1064
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 1: the Texans and then somehow playing in the Super Bowl

1065
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:44,800
Speaker 1: with the Kansas City Chiefs, who are somehow down to

1066
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:48,719
Speaker 1: like Jalen Royals, Juju Smith Schuster, and Keenan Allen as

1067
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:51,759
Speaker 1: their starting receivers in the Super Bowl that they end

1068
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 1: up winning against the Rams orson Niners, because those are

1069
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:57,919
Speaker 1: the only teams that make the Super Bowl in years

1070
00:53:57,920 --> 00:53:59,880
Speaker 1: that the Eagles fault in the NFC East cannot be

1071
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:01,759
Speaker 1: won by the same team twice in a row, so

1072
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:05,960
Speaker 1: we know how that play out, however, But yeah, like

1073
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know. I'm I'm the track record,

1074
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:12,080
Speaker 1: the recent track record of these Rode receivers is not

1075
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 1: as good as it used to be. Like it's like

1076
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:17,839
Speaker 1: like the hop like Hopkins just it went from like, Okay,

1077
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:19,400
Speaker 1: he's like the number one of the Titans, and he

1078
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:20,960
Speaker 1: had like I think he had like a four touchdown

1079
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 1: game and then it's like the next now he's like

1080
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 1: just nothing, and like Amari Cooper, like they're all excited

1081
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:28,480
Speaker 1: about him and then he's like, all of a sudden,

1082
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:30,799
Speaker 1: he's just a non entity. So like I hope he's

1083
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:34,239
Speaker 1: not watched, but I don't know. It's not looking too good.

1084
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 1: I mean it, he kind of was like the fact

1085
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:39,759
Speaker 1: that Ben Johnson doesn't want him is not not a

1086
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:42,239
Speaker 1: ringing endorsement. But I take your point. I mean a

1087
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:44,720
Speaker 1: lot of that's a lot of targets in and upside

1088
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 1: for a guy that you can essentially get for free.

1089
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:49,520
Speaker 1: Uh and he and and and you make a good

1090
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:52,840
Speaker 1: point like, yeah, he'll go to a when he's obviously

1091
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:56,320
Speaker 1: holding out to kind of pick and choose. I'm surprised

1092
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:59,960
Speaker 1: the Steelers haven't haven't come down, But maybe it's maybe

1093
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:03,319
Speaker 1: he just doesn't work. Yeah, I mean, maybe maybe that's

1094
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:07,239
Speaker 1: where he ends up signing. Who knows for me. It's

1095
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:12,480
Speaker 1: so two guys again. One this is health permitting. I

1096
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 1: don't know what's going on exactly with him because just

1097
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:20,960
Speaker 1: pretty recent. But Anthony Richardson did the shoulder obviously not ideal.

1098
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:23,839
Speaker 1: But you're talking about a guy. So over the past

1099
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:27,839
Speaker 1: two seasons, thirty three quarterbacks have played and started more

1100
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:30,879
Speaker 1: games than Anthony Richardson. He's only started fifteen is two

1101
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:33,919
Speaker 1: years as a pro. Only nine quarterbacks in the entire

1102
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:37,160
Speaker 1: league have more top four finishes than Anthony Richardson. His

1103
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:39,839
Speaker 1: dude started a fifteen games. Now, if you look at

1104
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:43,319
Speaker 1: a rate of finishing in the top four, he does

1105
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:46,799
Speaker 1: it just over twenty five percent of the time. Only

1106
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:49,799
Speaker 1: six quarterbacks over the past two years have a higher rate.

1107
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:53,120
Speaker 1: So like this is this is free upside. But and

1108
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:57,160
Speaker 1: I think as a Giant fan who watched Daniel Jones

1109
00:55:57,480 --> 00:56:01,279
Speaker 1: get cut so the team could start Tommy dev I

1110
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 1: would say there's nothing, no better cos on for your

1111
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:07,239
Speaker 1: QB one than to sign Daniel Jones to compete with them.

1112
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:10,399
Speaker 1: Like I am not a Daniel Jones believer at all.

1113
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:13,279
Speaker 1: I think I think they just didn't want to kind

1114
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:15,040
Speaker 1: of sit there and you know, sit on their hands,

1115
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:16,959
Speaker 1: and so they have to look like they're doing something,

1116
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:21,319
Speaker 1: so they signed Daniel Jones. Dude sucks. Anthony Richardson may

1117
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:23,240
Speaker 1: well suck as well, but they can put up Fantasy

1118
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:26,880
Speaker 1: points now. Now, the issue with him is so like

1119
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:29,920
Speaker 1: last year, he actually played one hundred percent of the

1120
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:32,640
Speaker 1: snaps and nine of his eleven starts. In the tenth start,

1121
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:34,680
Speaker 1: he played ninety eight percent of the snaps and took

1122
00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:37,319
Speaker 1: himself out for one, so they only missed like one.

1123
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:39,120
Speaker 1: There's only one start where he was like out in

1124
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:42,640
Speaker 1: and out with injury or whatever it was. So obviously

1125
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:45,520
Speaker 1: this injury is concerning, but hey, I mean he's free.

1126
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:48,520
Speaker 1: So unless it's like, Okay, he's gonna be out for

1127
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:51,680
Speaker 1: the for the year, like if he's gonna be if

1128
00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 1: he's gonna be back by week one, I'm I'm I

1129
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:56,280
Speaker 1: don't care about the injury. I don't care about Daniel Jones.

1130
00:56:56,800 --> 00:56:59,279
Speaker 1: I want him with Pittman and Downs and Pierce and

1131
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:02,759
Speaker 1: Mitchell and War and Taylor and the decent oy like,

1132
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:04,960
Speaker 1: just give me the upside, Like I don't. I don't

1133
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:08,359
Speaker 1: really care about how ugly it looks or how many

1134
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:13,200
Speaker 1: times he looks like Christian Hackenberg per drop back. Just

1135
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:16,360
Speaker 1: you know, get me those fantasy points. But another guy

1136
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:19,720
Speaker 1: gotta mention Diami Brown. I think I actually like him

1137
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:23,400
Speaker 1: more than Brenton Strange, just because I think he's gonna

1138
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:25,720
Speaker 1: have kind of like a Jaylen McMillan last year where

1139
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:28,440
Speaker 1: he's gonna you kind of look at him in the

1140
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:30,160
Speaker 1: depth chart and he gets lost. I mean, is it

1141
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:32,160
Speaker 1: gonna like how many stats this hunter are gonna play?

1142
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:34,920
Speaker 1: And then what role is Parker Washington's gonna have? But

1143
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:39,200
Speaker 1: he remember, he's a holdover. So I think Brown is

1144
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:42,520
Speaker 1: gonna give you these like explosive plays that Dave Davis

1145
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:45,240
Speaker 1: was supposed to give them, but he just got slower.

1146
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:47,080
Speaker 1: I don't know happy with him, Like he's got like

1147
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:50,439
Speaker 1: a lot slower. Uh, Diamie Brown still still pretty fast,

1148
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:54,080
Speaker 1: so uh could could could be a surprise like six

1149
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:56,200
Speaker 1: to eight touchdown guy. Another one of those guys that

1150
00:57:56,760 --> 00:58:00,200
Speaker 1: like few goose eggs but could have some good have

1151
00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:02,920
Speaker 1: some of those top ten ish weeks as well. So

1152
00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:05,240
Speaker 1: like him in this range.

1153
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:07,480
Speaker 2: I like him too real quick, I just want to

1154
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:11,120
Speaker 2: slide a thought in here. Yeah, it's weak nine. The

1155
00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:15,680
Speaker 2: Jaguars are competitive. Two starting quarterbacks go down for the team.

1156
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:19,040
Speaker 2: What do they do with Travis Hunter still playing offense

1157
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:22,320
Speaker 2: every snap? Is he going on defense at that point?

1158
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:24,520
Speaker 2: And then think about what that means for Dianie Brown.

1159
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:29,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I agree. I think there's like this built

1160
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:31,960
Speaker 1: and upside with these Jaguars pass catchers that are already

1161
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:35,240
Speaker 1: going to just based on the like potential upside of

1162
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:38,600
Speaker 1: the switch and coach that like then there's like this

1163
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:41,920
Speaker 1: Hunter upside, but the other I have like a counterpoint

1164
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:44,040
Speaker 1: to the counterpoint too, because I'm also thinking in my head,

1165
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:48,320
Speaker 1: like wam Coen is obviously just like all about offense, right,

1166
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:51,200
Speaker 1: like that's his thing. So like they just traded a

1167
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:54,760
Speaker 1: boatload of picks to get this guy Hunter offensive coach,

1168
00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:57,960
Speaker 1: like he's probably being koy and or probably just giving

1169
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:01,480
Speaker 1: Hunter like defensive snaps to like, because that's what you

1170
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:03,480
Speaker 1: do for the talent, right like let them do what

1171
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:05,160
Speaker 1: they want. But like, at the end of the day,

1172
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:08,600
Speaker 1: in my heart of hearts, I feel like, just knowing

1173
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:11,160
Speaker 1: Liam Cohne and like what he is and what he

1174
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:13,560
Speaker 1: stands for and what the moves that have been made,

1175
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:17,960
Speaker 1: He's probably is thinking, I'm maxing out Hunter on offense,

1176
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:20,120
Speaker 1: and I'll give him a few snaps here and there

1177
00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:22,360
Speaker 1: on defense to keep everybody, to keep him happy, but

1178
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:25,480
Speaker 1: or maybe as many as he can handle. But I

1179
00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:30,000
Speaker 1: find it hard to to see like an offensive minor

1180
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:32,960
Speaker 1: head coach taking a guy, a guy that you traded

1181
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:35,840
Speaker 1: all these picks for and like taking him off offense.

1182
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:38,040
Speaker 1: That's just me, Like I could be dead wrong. That's

1183
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:39,600
Speaker 1: just kind of more of a gut feel. There's no

1184
00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:42,760
Speaker 1: obviously no way to prove it or not, but I

1185
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:46,840
Speaker 1: do it either way. I think Diami Brown, I mean

1186
00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:49,280
Speaker 1: even last year he started to be more like he

1187
00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:51,960
Speaker 1: started to have some value down the stretch with Washington

1188
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:57,840
Speaker 1: putting stats with the keys and so, you know, I think,

1189
00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:01,880
Speaker 1: but yeah, it's definitely possible that Hunter gets pulled into

1190
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:04,680
Speaker 1: more defense because he would what probably be their most

1191
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:10,200
Speaker 1: talented cornerback. I would say, all right, you know, so, yeah,

1192
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:12,720
Speaker 1: a lot of upside here in a lot of different ways.

1193
01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:16,840
Speaker 1: Jamino round seventeen. Now it starts to get really weird,

1194
01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:17,920
Speaker 1: there you going.

1195
01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:21,520
Speaker 2: I wore myself out last summer touting what could happen

1196
01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:22,720
Speaker 2: with Blake Koram.

1197
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:23,720
Speaker 1: In the Rams because.

1198
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:29,160
Speaker 2: I refused to believe this Kyle Williams things like he's like,

1199
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:31,680
Speaker 2: he's proven to be a good football player, and it

1200
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:34,640
Speaker 2: just didn't look to me initially that that was what

1201
01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:37,000
Speaker 2: we were going to see with him. I thought, Okay, well,

1202
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:39,680
Speaker 2: they drafted this player who was quite good in college,

1203
01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:43,520
Speaker 2: who's got a more robust physical frame, who could handle

1204
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:47,160
Speaker 2: plenty of versatilities, agile, he could certainly do things in

1205
01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:49,200
Speaker 2: the past the game as well. Of course, they're going

1206
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:52,760
Speaker 2: to give some of this share to play Koram, And

1207
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:56,680
Speaker 2: they did none of it. They absolutely loaded the like

1208
01:00:56,840 --> 01:01:00,360
Speaker 2: the tank on Kian Williams in terms of usage. And

1209
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:03,600
Speaker 2: I'm sitting there holding the bag with Blake Koram all year,

1210
01:01:04,080 --> 01:01:06,600
Speaker 2: you know, basically getting nothing out of the pick. So

1211
01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:09,960
Speaker 2: I'm not going back to the well with an abundance

1212
01:01:10,040 --> 01:01:12,479
Speaker 2: of love. But now that we're in the seventeenth round,

1213
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:15,080
Speaker 2: I think we can just look at the same thing

1214
01:01:15,160 --> 01:01:16,920
Speaker 2: that we were looking at before, but with a lot

1215
01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:20,280
Speaker 2: less risk, and that he's an injury based, anti fragile play.

1216
01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:23,439
Speaker 2: If something goes wrong with Kien Williams, it's your last

1217
01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:26,000
Speaker 2: piece in a you know, in a running back light build,

1218
01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:28,280
Speaker 2: then you're going to be looking at a very very

1219
01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:30,920
Speaker 2: productive player that cost you very little. Like just think

1220
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:33,600
Speaker 2: about the weekly DFS projection you'd be making for Blake

1221
01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:35,360
Speaker 2: Koram with no Kien Williams.

1222
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:36,920
Speaker 1: It would be quite good.

1223
01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:41,000
Speaker 2: So really, this is a situation where you're trying to,

1224
01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:45,360
Speaker 2: you know, ignore your floor in Beastball and just say, what,

1225
01:01:46,120 --> 01:01:48,160
Speaker 2: how can things go right for me? How can I

1226
01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:51,160
Speaker 2: make a super team? I think in some teams, in

1227
01:01:51,240 --> 01:01:53,360
Speaker 2: some constructions you could use a guy like Korum at

1228
01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:55,400
Speaker 2: the back end of your roster and pray that things

1229
01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:56,000
Speaker 2: go well for you.

1230
01:01:56,920 --> 01:02:01,520
Speaker 1: Hmmm. So tragic man like he got his opportunity and

1231
01:02:01,560 --> 01:02:04,320
Speaker 1: he broke his arm, and yeah, he was gonna get

1232
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:07,360
Speaker 1: He's gonna get the Kiren workload, I believe, and then

1233
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:10,919
Speaker 1: he broke his arm and now it's like I think

1234
01:02:11,160 --> 01:02:13,920
Speaker 1: he should be, but like I don't. Honestly, sometimes I

1235
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:17,080
Speaker 1: don't even trust this guy, This guy McVeigh, like he'll

1236
01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:22,040
Speaker 1: mess around and put Cody Schrader back there. Yeah, Hunter Jark,

1237
01:02:22,080 --> 01:02:24,760
Speaker 1: what I mean, who know? I mean, honestly, you didn't

1238
01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:27,480
Speaker 1: really see Kiren coming, so that that's the thing with you.

1239
01:02:27,560 --> 01:02:31,120
Speaker 1: Gotta kind of watch me screaming at McVeigh. He was

1240
01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:38,640
Speaker 1: playing cam Akers and even Malcolm Brown two and yeah Williams. Yeah, so.

1241
01:02:41,080 --> 01:02:44,360
Speaker 3: Hunter is good. Uh So it'll be interesting to see

1242
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:48,200
Speaker 3: who is the actual backup. But it's just always tricky

1243
01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:50,160
Speaker 3: trying to figure out what McVay is gonna do year

1244
01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:50,480
Speaker 3: to year.

1245
01:02:50,680 --> 01:02:52,320
Speaker 1: You gotta take the dart throws though, because the ram

1246
01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:54,440
Speaker 1: should be a good offense. A lot of games indoors.

1247
01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:56,200
Speaker 1: Uh so, don't hate it. I got kind of like

1248
01:02:56,280 --> 01:02:59,400
Speaker 1: a similar less even less sexy play, but uh, Kerner

1249
01:02:59,640 --> 01:03:02,560
Speaker 1: you for oh, I definitely have a less sexy play

1250
01:03:03,560 --> 01:03:03,800
Speaker 1: than you.

1251
01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:07,040
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go with Daniel Jones here, taking your point,

1252
01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:10,720
Speaker 3: taking your point that Daniel Jones sucks, But guess what

1253
01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:13,600
Speaker 3: sodaes Anthony and Richardson. So we have a problem two

1254
01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:17,640
Speaker 3: quarterbacks that suck competing for week one. One is dealing

1255
01:03:17,720 --> 01:03:20,000
Speaker 3: with the shoulder injury. Not sure what's going on there,

1256
01:03:20,040 --> 01:03:23,360
Speaker 3: but that that's just that's not a good setback. Plus,

1257
01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:26,160
Speaker 3: you know, Richardson's had two seasons now and he really

1258
01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:29,120
Speaker 3: hasn't shown much. Again, we were setting his prop his

1259
01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:32,160
Speaker 3: completion prop at like thirteen and a half. Too bad,

1260
01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:33,760
Speaker 3: we get we didn't get to see what it would

1261
01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:36,560
Speaker 3: be that week, but he got ruled out. But again,

1262
01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:39,880
Speaker 3: we're not dealing with a guy that has you know,

1263
01:03:40,080 --> 01:03:42,720
Speaker 3: strong jobs career at this point. So right now I'm

1264
01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:45,040
Speaker 3: projecting both of them right around eight or nine games.

1265
01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:46,000
Speaker 1: I don't know what to do with it.

1266
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:48,840
Speaker 3: One of them is gonna end up starting probably twelve

1267
01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:51,560
Speaker 3: plus games, and whoever that ends up being, obviously they're

1268
01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:54,440
Speaker 3: going to cash out in round sixteen and seventeen. But

1269
01:03:54,680 --> 01:03:56,960
Speaker 3: just Daniel Jones, I wouldn't be shocked if he does

1270
01:03:57,040 --> 01:04:00,480
Speaker 3: get a chance. You know, he would thrive in this

1271
01:04:00,600 --> 01:04:03,880
Speaker 3: system under Shane Stichen. He has a ton of pass

1272
01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:06,200
Speaker 3: catchers to get throw to you. Now Tyler Warrens in

1273
01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:08,240
Speaker 3: the mix, so it's not a bad spot.

1274
01:04:08,320 --> 01:04:09,240
Speaker 1: And he has, you know, the.

1275
01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:13,440
Speaker 3: Rushing upside to put up top twelve type numbers. So again,

1276
01:04:13,640 --> 01:04:15,560
Speaker 3: I think you could take a flyer in Anthony Richardson

1277
01:04:15,560 --> 01:04:18,200
Speaker 3: in round sixteen Daniel Jones in round seventeen.

1278
01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:20,840
Speaker 1: Try to get lucky. But in this range they they

1279
01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:27,560
Speaker 1: both offer plenty of upside. Hard disagree. I just I

1280
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:31,240
Speaker 1: complete Anthony Richardson very plays and he's like a top

1281
01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:35,160
Speaker 1: ten fantasy quarterback. Daniel Jones like Kevin O'Connell because like,

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01:04:35,360 --> 01:04:37,000
Speaker 1: I see you like you are, you know, kind of

1283
01:04:37,040 --> 01:04:39,280
Speaker 1: like a Sam Donald situation, but you know, not the

1284
01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:43,880
Speaker 1: same supporting Casper. It's like, bro, Daniel Jones got bench

1285
01:04:43,960 --> 01:04:46,200
Speaker 1: for Tommy DeVito. Then the next year he got cut

1286
01:04:46,360 --> 01:04:49,600
Speaker 1: so they could start Tommy DeVito, Tim Boyle and Drew Locked.

1287
01:04:49,720 --> 01:04:53,200
Speaker 1: He goes to Minnesota, who like, if anyone could take

1288
01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:57,120
Speaker 1: reclamation project quarterbacks and turn them into the next thing,

1289
01:04:57,560 --> 01:05:01,320
Speaker 1: it's Kevin O'Connell. This dude didn't play a fucking snap

1290
01:05:01,920 --> 01:05:05,480
Speaker 1: and off to Indianapolis, Like I don't. I just think

1291
01:05:05,560 --> 01:05:07,880
Speaker 1: this dude is done. I I rather just happen with

1292
01:05:08,080 --> 01:05:11,880
Speaker 1: Riley Leonard. I die right, there's the Giants fan in me.

1293
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:14,320
Speaker 1: But I just I feel like we've seen enough. Like

1294
01:05:14,520 --> 01:05:18,520
Speaker 1: I just I think the O'Connell, the O'Connell punt was

1295
01:05:18,560 --> 01:05:19,760
Speaker 1: a bad sign. Honestly.

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Speaker 3: Yeah again, I'm not saying Daniel Jones fall.

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01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:25,800
Speaker 1: I feel that. Yeah, I just I just think Anthony

1298
01:05:25,840 --> 01:05:28,560
Speaker 1: richards is being underrated because like he couldn't have been

1299
01:05:28,680 --> 01:05:31,520
Speaker 1: worse and he was still like one of the best

1300
01:05:31,560 --> 01:05:34,320
Speaker 1: fantasy quarterbacks. It's like justin fields, but like you know

1301
01:05:34,360 --> 01:05:36,680
Speaker 1: what I mean, It's like, yeah, he doesn't have to

1302
01:05:36,720 --> 01:05:40,640
Speaker 1: be good to be good. Yeah, yeah, like either one.

1303
01:05:40,840 --> 01:05:42,959
Speaker 3: Like I think one of them is gonna start twelve

1304
01:05:42,960 --> 01:05:45,760
Speaker 3: plus games and they're gonna, you know, offer plenty of value.

1305
01:05:45,960 --> 01:05:48,840
Speaker 3: I'm just saying I don't think Anthony Richardson's a luck

1306
01:05:49,640 --> 01:05:53,320
Speaker 3: at this point. And I about Riley Leonard, Raley Leonard,

1307
01:05:53,640 --> 01:05:57,480
Speaker 3: He's going to be excellent Jamino uh in preseason, He's

1308
01:05:57,560 --> 01:06:01,120
Speaker 3: going to be a smash play. He's like Jeff Driscoll,

1309
01:06:01,240 --> 01:06:03,720
Speaker 3: Like he's just gonna be running around doing quirky things.

1310
01:06:03,840 --> 01:06:07,920
Speaker 1: So it's like you Jeff Driscoll could outscore Daniel Jones.

1311
01:06:10,080 --> 01:06:13,680
Speaker 1: He has let's look at Jeff Driscoll has had some games, man,

1312
01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:19,120
Speaker 1: That's what I mean. Yeah, the cold quarterback, and that

1313
01:06:19,240 --> 01:06:21,600
Speaker 1: makes it makes sense. I mean the supporting cast to

1314
01:06:21,720 --> 01:06:25,120
Speaker 1: be fair, yes, excellent, I mean I shouldn't say excellent,

1315
01:06:25,160 --> 01:06:29,160
Speaker 1: but it could be very good. Uh, you play indoors,

1316
01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:32,240
Speaker 1: You're not in a hard division. You could play in

1317
01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:36,360
Speaker 1: some shootouts. Although like that, they finally moved on from

1318
01:06:36,360 --> 01:06:38,560
Speaker 1: Gus Bradley, so their defense actually might be okay, which

1319
01:06:38,680 --> 01:06:42,320
Speaker 1: is disappointing. But yeah, I'm just not a believer in Jones.

1320
01:06:42,360 --> 01:06:44,720
Speaker 1: But I get it. I mean i've I've I've drafted

1321
01:06:44,760 --> 01:06:46,360
Speaker 1: him in the past for the same reason. He can run.

1322
01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:48,640
Speaker 1: But I just I just it's more, I just think

1323
01:06:48,760 --> 01:06:50,960
Speaker 1: richards and him are in a different category upside wise,

1324
01:06:51,040 --> 01:06:53,280
Speaker 1: Like I just think Richardson has shown it like even

1325
01:06:53,640 --> 01:06:55,960
Speaker 1: him like terrible, he's still.

1326
01:06:57,480 --> 01:07:00,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, if Richardson starts twelve plus game like,

1327
01:07:00,720 --> 01:07:04,560
Speaker 3: if he gets it together, he has massive, massive upside.

1328
01:07:04,600 --> 01:07:06,880
Speaker 3: I'm not I'm not disagree with that at all. Right now,

1329
01:07:06,920 --> 01:07:10,320
Speaker 3: I'm just saying either one, like I'm not writing off

1330
01:07:10,800 --> 01:07:13,120
Speaker 3: both of them and not drafting either. I think taking

1331
01:07:13,320 --> 01:07:16,680
Speaker 3: spots and drafting on this late I think makes sense

1332
01:07:16,720 --> 01:07:19,360
Speaker 3: because they both technically carry upside.

1333
01:07:20,040 --> 01:07:21,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I'm gonna talk about a guy who might

1334
01:07:21,600 --> 01:07:24,280
Speaker 1: not even make the roster, so you can exactly take

1335
01:07:24,280 --> 01:07:29,960
Speaker 1: as much Daniel Jonesy want, but Devin Neil on the word,

1336
01:07:30,200 --> 01:07:32,240
Speaker 1: I'm would take a running back on the worst team

1337
01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:35,440
Speaker 1: in the National Football League. But this is like this

1338
01:07:35,600 --> 01:07:39,080
Speaker 1: is and you know I should also mention round seventeens,

1339
01:07:39,120 --> 01:07:43,240
Speaker 1: like ADP is average draft position. You shouldn't be following it.

1340
01:07:43,320 --> 01:07:46,760
Speaker 1: I mean, like my rankings are always very different from ADP,

1341
01:07:46,920 --> 01:07:49,120
Speaker 1: and I've had a lot of success kind of drafting

1342
01:07:49,160 --> 01:07:51,840
Speaker 1: that way, period. But I just find it ridiculous that

1343
01:07:52,680 --> 01:07:55,080
Speaker 1: people are aiming to be like the top one point

1344
01:07:55,160 --> 01:07:59,080
Speaker 1: one percentile and they're following average draft position in like

1345
01:07:59,200 --> 01:08:01,920
Speaker 1: the sixteenth round of Best Blall Draft. So like, these

1346
01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:06,880
Speaker 1: could be guys, these could be guys from undrafted wherever.

1347
01:08:07,200 --> 01:08:09,040
Speaker 1: Just go down and listen till you find somebody. But

1348
01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:12,760
Speaker 1: for the purposes of this show, I will pick a

1349
01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:15,880
Speaker 1: guy with around seventeen ADP, Devin Neil running back for

1350
01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:19,120
Speaker 1: the New Orleans Saints. Just targeting the upside of the

1351
01:08:19,240 --> 01:08:22,040
Speaker 1: unknown with a new regime, offensive minded head coach and

1352
01:08:22,080 --> 01:08:25,680
Speaker 1: Kellen Moore round six pickout of Kansas, fifteen hundred scrimmageyard

1353
01:08:25,720 --> 01:08:29,679
Speaker 1: seventeen tuties on average his final two seasons there. Kamara's thirty.

1354
01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:32,320
Speaker 1: Camara's entering year nine. He hasn't played a full season

1355
01:08:32,360 --> 01:08:34,920
Speaker 1: since his rookie year. And Neil does have a three

1356
01:08:34,960 --> 01:08:39,080
Speaker 1: down skill set, so maybe maybe Kellen Moore does try

1357
01:08:39,120 --> 01:08:40,680
Speaker 1: to take the air out of the ball. That is

1358
01:08:40,760 --> 01:08:43,640
Speaker 1: a possibility and for as long as he can. And

1359
01:08:43,760 --> 01:08:46,439
Speaker 1: you see, like you see Neil get that role because

1360
01:08:46,439 --> 01:08:48,680
Speaker 1: I mean you got Kendra Miller, who I mean, the

1361
01:08:48,720 --> 01:08:51,400
Speaker 1: old regime didn't even really like him, and then like

1362
01:08:52,560 --> 01:08:54,560
Speaker 1: denns Allen got fired and then Kendre Miller was the

1363
01:08:54,640 --> 01:08:56,760
Speaker 1: thing for about like two games. Of course, he had

1364
01:08:56,840 --> 01:08:58,799
Speaker 1: like his best run of his career against the Giants

1365
01:08:59,240 --> 01:09:02,320
Speaker 1: and and I don't know what, I don't think they're

1366
01:09:02,360 --> 01:09:06,120
Speaker 1: too high in him and Cride Edwards Laire. It seemed

1367
01:09:06,160 --> 01:09:08,360
Speaker 1: like the Saints were just doing favors to like journeyman

1368
01:09:08,439 --> 01:09:10,320
Speaker 1: running backs at the end of last year, like Jordan

1369
01:09:10,439 --> 01:09:12,479
Speaker 1: MIM's got a random game where he was like featured

1370
01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:14,880
Speaker 1: and then like the next thing, you know, he was

1371
01:09:14,920 --> 01:09:17,479
Speaker 1: like an inactive and that this regime released him and

1372
01:09:18,280 --> 01:09:20,639
Speaker 1: Edwards Laire like, I mean, all these guys are trash.

1373
01:09:20,760 --> 01:09:24,000
Speaker 1: So Devin Neil uh take a shot on you, just

1374
01:09:24,320 --> 01:09:26,599
Speaker 1: just And there's also the possibility that the Saints are

1375
01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:29,320
Speaker 1: just so bad that the end, like they end up

1376
01:09:29,360 --> 01:09:32,400
Speaker 1: just shutting Kamara down at some point and you get

1377
01:09:32,600 --> 01:09:38,280
Speaker 1: like fantasy playoff, uh three down Devin neal in with

1378
01:09:38,400 --> 01:09:40,560
Speaker 1: the Saints in tank mote or something like that. So

1379
01:09:41,240 --> 01:09:43,519
Speaker 1: uh that that's kind of my thought process there, just

1380
01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:46,680
Speaker 1: throwing a dart uh. I think that's what you kind

1381
01:09:46,680 --> 01:09:51,080
Speaker 1: of gotta do uh in these rounds. Okay, last round,

1382
01:09:51,200 --> 01:09:52,240
Speaker 1: round eighteen, Demino.

1383
01:09:53,479 --> 01:09:56,599
Speaker 2: If you're interested in knowing what teams think, don't look

1384
01:09:56,640 --> 01:10:00,160
Speaker 2: at what they say, look at what they do. And

1385
01:10:00,400 --> 01:10:04,040
Speaker 2: what they Dallas Cowboys have done at the running back

1386
01:10:04,120 --> 01:10:08,439
Speaker 2: position is basically nothing. They have a you know, a

1387
01:10:08,560 --> 01:10:12,200
Speaker 2: three million dollar deal on Javonte Williams. They have an

1388
01:10:12,240 --> 01:10:15,720
Speaker 2: even lower deal on Miles Sanders, and they drafted a

1389
01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:19,559
Speaker 2: fifth round rookie who has got like a twenty eight

1390
01:10:19,680 --> 01:10:24,720
Speaker 2: percent tile BMI and like a seventeenth percentile burst. And

1391
01:10:24,840 --> 01:10:27,800
Speaker 2: this is the guy, the rookie I speak of Jaden Blue.

1392
01:10:27,880 --> 01:10:30,519
Speaker 2: People are drafting in the middle rounds of the draft

1393
01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:33,040
Speaker 2: as if he's going to be the guy who gets

1394
01:10:33,080 --> 01:10:35,639
Speaker 2: the opportunity here in Dallas, and they're doing the same

1395
01:10:35,880 --> 01:10:40,519
Speaker 2: with Ravonte Williams and Miles Sanders is absolutely forgotten. Miles Sanders,

1396
01:10:40,560 --> 01:10:41,880
Speaker 2: by the way, who was in the Pro Bowl in

1397
01:10:41,960 --> 01:10:45,280
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two last couple of seasons, has had some

1398
01:10:45,520 --> 01:10:48,760
Speaker 2: injury and malfunction in Carolina, But there have been other

1399
01:10:48,880 --> 01:10:51,880
Speaker 2: backs in history who have been decent, who have bounced

1400
01:10:51,960 --> 01:10:54,920
Speaker 2: back late in their career to have productive seasons. And

1401
01:10:55,240 --> 01:10:58,160
Speaker 2: particularly when we are drafting that in the eighteenth round

1402
01:10:58,600 --> 01:11:01,000
Speaker 2: of a best Ball draft, they play who we can't

1403
01:11:01,040 --> 01:11:04,639
Speaker 2: even clearly rule out of the projections already, like he's

1404
01:11:04,800 --> 01:11:07,040
Speaker 2: somebody that you should probably have in there as someone

1405
01:11:07,040 --> 01:11:09,240
Speaker 2: who's going to play at least early in the season,

1406
01:11:09,960 --> 01:11:12,080
Speaker 2: and yet he could actually end up being the most

1407
01:11:12,120 --> 01:11:15,599
Speaker 2: productive back of any of these guys in a world

1408
01:11:15,680 --> 01:11:18,519
Speaker 2: that does not take a lot of imagination to envision.

1409
01:11:18,920 --> 01:11:21,479
Speaker 2: So I don't really understand what's going on here with

1410
01:11:21,560 --> 01:11:23,680
Speaker 2: Miles Standers. I think there's a bias at play here.

1411
01:11:24,120 --> 01:11:26,040
Speaker 2: I don't love Miles Sanders. I don't give a shit

1412
01:11:26,040 --> 01:11:29,160
Speaker 2: about Miles Sanders. I do think though, that the probability

1413
01:11:29,160 --> 01:11:32,200
Speaker 2: that he matters is significantly higher than the ADP and

1414
01:11:32,280 --> 01:11:33,840
Speaker 2: Bestball drafts are giving it a credit for.

1415
01:11:35,240 --> 01:11:39,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think I need to raise Miles

1416
01:11:39,520 --> 01:11:42,519
Speaker 1: Sanders because like I had Miles Sanders like embarrassingly high

1417
01:11:42,840 --> 01:11:45,280
Speaker 1: and it just felt dirty. And then I was like,

1418
01:11:46,200 --> 01:11:48,320
Speaker 1: because it's like, who do you yet? Like this is

1419
01:11:48,400 --> 01:11:50,960
Speaker 1: a problem because like I'm the highest on blue. I

1420
01:11:51,120 --> 01:11:53,680
Speaker 1: just think I always go for the rookie in a

1421
01:11:53,720 --> 01:11:56,160
Speaker 1: situation like this. I just think rookie running backs tend

1422
01:11:56,200 --> 01:11:59,200
Speaker 1: to be plus ev But if you're going about it

1423
01:11:59,240 --> 01:12:02,080
Speaker 1: eye test, like did have like a stretch last year

1424
01:12:02,120 --> 01:12:05,600
Speaker 1: where he look decent. Now, the other thing is Carolina

1425
01:12:06,080 --> 01:12:07,760
Speaker 1: did have a pretty good offensive line. I know that

1426
01:12:07,960 --> 01:12:10,240
Speaker 1: you might not think that because their team was terrible,

1427
01:12:10,439 --> 01:12:12,400
Speaker 1: but their offensive line is pretty good. So it really

1428
01:12:12,479 --> 01:12:14,720
Speaker 1: kind of depends on just Dallas hit on that pick.

1429
01:12:14,880 --> 01:12:16,640
Speaker 1: You know that that that that pick they made in

1430
01:12:16,680 --> 01:12:19,559
Speaker 1: the first round, and and you know, does the rest

1431
01:12:19,560 --> 01:12:22,120
Speaker 1: of the line kind of get back to where it's

1432
01:12:22,200 --> 01:12:25,600
Speaker 1: been in years past. I think Miles Sanders with Philadelphia

1433
01:12:25,840 --> 01:12:28,920
Speaker 1: is shown he can run between behind good offensive line

1434
01:12:29,120 --> 01:12:32,000
Speaker 1: when the offensive line is not good. He could be terrible,

1435
01:12:32,080 --> 01:12:35,720
Speaker 1: but I Johnta Williams was terrible. Uh, and Blue, I

1436
01:12:35,800 --> 01:12:39,760
Speaker 1: mean could just be comani at all. So uh, I

1437
01:12:39,880 --> 01:12:42,000
Speaker 1: do think Standards like it's getting to the point where

1438
01:12:42,080 --> 01:12:44,200
Speaker 1: because it's not like Blue is beshal touton or something

1439
01:12:44,200 --> 01:12:46,280
Speaker 1: where it's just like, all right, this guy, we got

1440
01:12:46,320 --> 01:12:51,560
Speaker 1: an offensive like guy we respect who uh is you know,

1441
01:12:52,080 --> 01:12:55,320
Speaker 1: drafting speed and you know kind of he already had

1442
01:12:55,320 --> 01:12:56,560
Speaker 1: two guys that he could have just rolled with a

1443
01:12:56,600 --> 01:13:02,160
Speaker 1: new dated like this is like Brian Strottenheim or and yeah,

1444
01:13:02,400 --> 01:13:04,559
Speaker 1: like the fact that they even signed Gravonte Williams will

1445
01:13:04,640 --> 01:13:06,000
Speaker 1: just worries me that it's just going to be like

1446
01:13:06,080 --> 01:13:10,000
Speaker 1: a this might just be the backfield to completely stay

1447
01:13:10,000 --> 01:13:12,559
Speaker 1: away from. But I mean, I agree, I think Standards

1448
01:13:12,640 --> 01:13:15,520
Speaker 1: is the guy that kind of is a little bit underrated.

1449
01:13:16,040 --> 01:13:17,920
Speaker 1: Now he could be a he could be a cut,

1450
01:13:18,680 --> 01:13:22,360
Speaker 1: a roster cut, but I mean, like Blue could be

1451
01:13:22,360 --> 01:13:28,200
Speaker 1: comin of it all. So actually agree there, Kerner rownie team.

1452
01:13:29,040 --> 01:13:32,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, so sticking with the late round QB strategy here,

1453
01:13:32,280 --> 01:13:36,880
Speaker 3: there's actually two rookie quarterbacks going in Round eighteen. Tyler

1454
01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:40,360
Speaker 3: Schuck obviously has the higher floor. Right now, he's minus

1455
01:13:40,520 --> 01:13:42,519
Speaker 3: three point thirty to start week one, so he could

1456
01:13:43,360 --> 01:13:47,320
Speaker 3: probably start, you know, all seventeen games if healthy and

1457
01:13:47,520 --> 01:13:48,280
Speaker 3: playing well enough.

1458
01:13:49,000 --> 01:13:52,439
Speaker 1: What's up? No, that's in because so I like had

1459
01:13:52,520 --> 01:13:55,120
Speaker 1: him projected for like fifteen games initially, and I was like,

1460
01:13:55,160 --> 01:13:56,960
Speaker 1: I got a little it is I guess. I guess

1461
01:13:57,120 --> 01:13:59,280
Speaker 1: I was looking at like the history of guys outside

1462
01:13:59,280 --> 01:14:01,320
Speaker 1: of round one, and you know they don't start that

1463
01:14:01,439 --> 01:14:04,600
Speaker 1: many games. I'll order it, but I think they I

1464
01:14:04,720 --> 01:14:07,000
Speaker 1: think they did kind of draft him with the intention

1465
01:14:07,439 --> 01:14:07,920
Speaker 1: just ten.

1466
01:14:07,800 --> 01:14:10,639
Speaker 3: Because he's like thirty years old, so I mean he's

1467
01:14:11,000 --> 01:14:15,000
Speaker 3: already ready to go. But yeah, after Derek Carr retired,

1468
01:14:15,160 --> 01:14:17,720
Speaker 3: his odds are now three minus three to thirty star

1469
01:14:17,760 --> 01:14:18,160
Speaker 3: week one.

1470
01:14:18,280 --> 01:14:18,880
Speaker 1: I'm similar.

1471
01:14:19,240 --> 01:14:21,400
Speaker 3: I'm similar with you, Like I still am projected to

1472
01:14:21,680 --> 01:14:24,639
Speaker 3: like play fourteen games, but still I think he has

1473
01:14:24,680 --> 01:14:27,360
Speaker 3: the higher floor than Jackson Dart, but I think Dart

1474
01:14:27,520 --> 01:14:31,479
Speaker 3: has a higher ceiling. Just the problem with Dart is

1475
01:14:31,520 --> 01:14:34,799
Speaker 3: I'm only projecting him to start a handful of games.

1476
01:14:34,840 --> 01:14:37,759
Speaker 3: He's a very raw rookie, and they already have Russell

1477
01:14:37,760 --> 01:14:41,639
Speaker 3: Wilson Jameis Winston, so they won't need to play necessarily

1478
01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:43,800
Speaker 3: at all this year, Like there's a chance he doesn't

1479
01:14:43,800 --> 01:14:46,080
Speaker 3: start at all. But with Brian Dables, you know, job

1480
01:14:46,160 --> 01:14:49,040
Speaker 3: security being up in the air, you know, that could

1481
01:14:49,120 --> 01:14:50,120
Speaker 3: kind of force the issue.

1482
01:14:50,200 --> 01:14:50,639
Speaker 1: We'll see.

1483
01:14:50,720 --> 01:14:52,960
Speaker 3: So I think the second half of the season Dart

1484
01:14:53,040 --> 01:14:55,240
Speaker 3: could be starting, and that's that's really when you need

1485
01:14:55,439 --> 01:14:58,920
Speaker 3: your third quarterback in best ball to produce anyway. But

1486
01:14:59,000 --> 01:15:01,720
Speaker 3: I think he has a ton ofushing upside, maybe just

1487
01:15:01,840 --> 01:15:04,320
Speaker 3: short of guys like Josh Allen and Daniel Jones, but

1488
01:15:04,360 --> 01:15:07,240
Speaker 3: I think the rushing upside is there for him to

1489
01:15:07,320 --> 01:15:10,040
Speaker 3: kind of offer value. But he has one of the

1490
01:15:10,120 --> 01:15:12,559
Speaker 3: best younger receivers in the game in Lake Neighbors as well.

1491
01:15:12,640 --> 01:15:14,479
Speaker 3: So I think he has a ton of upside that

1492
01:15:14,520 --> 01:15:16,640
Speaker 3: you can get a round eighteen that you know. The

1493
01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:19,599
Speaker 3: problem with him is you can't project him to start

1494
01:15:19,680 --> 01:15:22,439
Speaker 3: many games. But I think in this round he offers

1495
01:15:22,479 --> 01:15:25,280
Speaker 3: a ton of upside. But Shook is definitely the safer bet.

1496
01:15:25,400 --> 01:15:28,200
Speaker 3: I think he's probably gonna start ten plus games of healthy.

1497
01:15:28,280 --> 01:15:30,599
Speaker 3: But I think Dart has the higher ceiling in theory.

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01:15:32,040 --> 01:15:35,599
Speaker 1: No to me, honestly, I would since we're talking upside,

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01:15:35,600 --> 01:15:37,280
Speaker 1: I would say it's no contest, Like I get what

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01:15:37,360 --> 01:15:41,480
Speaker 1: you're saying, but like like you're gonna get like seventeen

1501
01:15:41,640 --> 01:15:44,800
Speaker 1: games of like to be twenty eight, which shuck like

1502
01:15:45,080 --> 01:15:47,640
Speaker 1: jack right, I think, I think, And this maybe is

1503
01:15:47,680 --> 01:15:49,240
Speaker 1: because I'm a Giants fan, so I have like more

1504
01:15:49,840 --> 01:15:55,960
Speaker 1: stronger opinions about this type of stuff. But Jackson Dart

1505
01:15:57,400 --> 01:15:59,800
Speaker 1: may very well be the weak one starter. I mean,

1506
01:16:00,280 --> 01:16:03,439
Speaker 1: how many how many times already over these past few

1507
01:16:03,520 --> 01:16:06,000
Speaker 1: years has Russell Wilson look like he forgot how to

1508
01:16:06,040 --> 01:16:11,240
Speaker 1: play quarterback? Jameis Winston's a walking interception, Like Jackson Dark

1509
01:16:11,360 --> 01:16:14,200
Speaker 1: was a player that some people were saying could go

1510
01:16:14,360 --> 01:16:17,360
Speaker 1: as high as number two overall, he already jumped like

1511
01:16:17,439 --> 01:16:21,120
Speaker 1: another quarterback that we thought was gonna go higher, and

1512
01:16:21,360 --> 01:16:24,400
Speaker 1: they traded back for him, Like this is it's not

1513
01:16:24,520 --> 01:16:27,519
Speaker 1: hard to see Jackson Dark, just like it's easy to

1514
01:16:27,600 --> 01:16:29,240
Speaker 1: look at it now and say, oh, it's a crowded room,

1515
01:16:29,320 --> 01:16:31,479
Speaker 1: he's behind two veterans, blah blah blah blah blah blah.

1516
01:16:31,520 --> 01:16:34,360
Speaker 1: Like the minute Jackson Dark comes out and has like

1517
01:16:34,439 --> 01:16:37,600
Speaker 1: a good quarter of preseason and Russell Wilson just like

1518
01:16:38,439 --> 01:16:41,360
Speaker 1: can't do nothing but like take sacks or throw passes

1519
01:16:41,400 --> 01:16:44,880
Speaker 1: out of bounds down the sideline, and like Jackson Dart's

1520
01:16:44,880 --> 01:16:48,200
Speaker 1: gonna be started, it's not. It's not that inconceivable. So

1521
01:16:48,479 --> 01:16:51,439
Speaker 1: I think the time if you're if you're gonna if

1522
01:16:51,479 --> 01:16:53,519
Speaker 1: you think Jackson Dart is worth a pick at all,

1523
01:16:53,600 --> 01:16:56,240
Speaker 1: which I know Jamino you were saying, like some of

1524
01:16:56,280 --> 01:16:58,080
Speaker 1: those situations you don't even mess with, like you want

1525
01:16:58,160 --> 01:17:00,599
Speaker 1: those kind of guaranteed stars, But like if you think

1526
01:17:00,760 --> 01:17:02,479
Speaker 1: Dart is worth a pick at all, I think you

1527
01:17:02,520 --> 01:17:04,040
Speaker 1: take them a hundred times out of one hundred over

1528
01:17:04,120 --> 01:17:06,439
Speaker 1: shut because Shuck is just not going to give you

1529
01:17:06,560 --> 01:17:08,920
Speaker 1: that same type of upside. And like the Giants have

1530
01:17:09,000 --> 01:17:11,680
Speaker 1: the arguably the hardest schedule in the league, So like

1531
01:17:11,800 --> 01:17:14,599
Speaker 1: you're talking about trailing game script you're talking about, I mean,

1532
01:17:14,800 --> 01:17:17,559
Speaker 1: if you're going to take Daniel Jones, non guaranteed start

1533
01:17:17,880 --> 01:17:21,800
Speaker 1: starter in round sixteen, I think, like Jackson Dart, it

1534
01:17:21,960 --> 01:17:23,240
Speaker 1: makes like a ton of sense.

1535
01:17:23,479 --> 01:17:26,960
Speaker 3: I yea his hour thirteen to one, the start week one,

1536
01:17:27,560 --> 01:17:30,040
Speaker 3: which this time last year we were doing.

1537
01:17:30,120 --> 01:17:33,839
Speaker 1: Russe Wilson and Justin Fields same thing. So it's ridiculous.

1538
01:17:33,840 --> 01:17:36,920
Speaker 1: It's ridiculous yet looked up, the.

1539
01:17:36,960 --> 01:17:39,160
Speaker 2: First isn't going up that much if you find out

1540
01:17:39,200 --> 01:17:41,680
Speaker 2: closer than the summer that darts are probably going to

1541
01:17:41,720 --> 01:17:42,000
Speaker 2: be the guy.

1542
01:17:42,080 --> 01:17:44,600
Speaker 1: It's not going up like rounds and rounds. Maybe a

1543
01:17:44,640 --> 01:17:46,400
Speaker 1: couple of rounds you might see it go.

1544
01:17:47,040 --> 01:17:49,439
Speaker 2: But I would say that, you know, the way that

1545
01:17:49,439 --> 01:17:52,320
Speaker 2: I would handle the situation is if I'm playing and

1546
01:17:52,400 --> 01:17:54,920
Speaker 2: drafting all through the summer, in the early part of

1547
01:17:54,960 --> 01:17:56,760
Speaker 2: the summer, I'm staying away from it, and then I'm

1548
01:17:56,760 --> 01:17:59,200
Speaker 2: waiting for some more information at least see if you

1549
01:17:59,280 --> 01:18:01,840
Speaker 2: can get like the hint like from beat writers or

1550
01:18:01,880 --> 01:18:04,400
Speaker 2: what's going on in practice or anything that it could

1551
01:18:04,439 --> 01:18:06,280
Speaker 2: be dark because right now, as of right now, you

1552
01:18:06,400 --> 01:18:07,679
Speaker 2: just have no idea where it's going.

1553
01:18:09,000 --> 01:18:11,200
Speaker 1: I think there's a couple of things that, like so

1554
01:18:12,240 --> 01:18:15,320
Speaker 1: you can kind of if you just look at the history,

1555
01:18:15,439 --> 01:18:20,360
Speaker 1: like the amount of starts that quarterbacks taken in in

1556
01:18:20,479 --> 01:18:23,320
Speaker 1: the first round making year one, even if they don't

1557
01:18:23,320 --> 01:18:26,200
Speaker 1: start in week one, like there's still it's still usually

1558
01:18:26,280 --> 01:18:28,479
Speaker 1: end up making a significant amount of starts. Like I

1559
01:18:29,400 --> 01:18:31,320
Speaker 1: just think that, like if you're I just think that

1560
01:18:31,400 --> 01:18:34,000
Speaker 1: if you're talking about like a thirteen to one, like

1561
01:18:34,080 --> 01:18:37,720
Speaker 1: I think Dark is at worst fifty to fifty to

1562
01:18:37,800 --> 01:18:39,840
Speaker 1: start League one. I mean, like I just don't think

1563
01:18:39,880 --> 01:18:42,640
Speaker 1: in this current era, teams are drafting guys in the

1564
01:18:42,720 --> 01:18:45,439
Speaker 1: first round to sit and like I just like I

1565
01:18:45,479 --> 01:18:48,240
Speaker 1: think should or is over Like the amount of starts

1566
01:18:48,280 --> 01:18:50,920
Speaker 1: he's gonna make is probably overrated because like teams don't

1567
01:18:51,000 --> 01:18:53,960
Speaker 1: really care about they're like fifth round picks. They're they're

1568
01:18:54,000 --> 01:18:56,320
Speaker 1: just throwing darts at the wall and hoping like maybe

1569
01:18:56,439 --> 01:18:59,800
Speaker 1: they get like a guy every like two drafts. Like so,

1570
01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:03,120
Speaker 1: so I think there's a big descrappers here. I think

1571
01:19:03,479 --> 01:19:07,799
Speaker 1: I don't Russell Wilson, Like there was that whole mysterious

1572
01:19:07,840 --> 01:19:10,120
Speaker 1: thing last year where I think I think he just

1573
01:19:10,160 --> 01:19:12,280
Speaker 1: got benched, like they're, oh, he's hurt. I think that

1574
01:19:12,400 --> 01:19:15,439
Speaker 1: was all agents speak to preserve his reputation because he

1575
01:19:15,479 --> 01:19:17,760
Speaker 1: because he did not play justin fields. And then you know,

1576
01:19:17,880 --> 01:19:19,920
Speaker 1: finally Tomlin decided to go to him and it worked

1577
01:19:19,960 --> 01:19:23,080
Speaker 1: for a few games and then we remember that he's broken.

1578
01:19:23,439 --> 01:19:25,519
Speaker 1: So like, yeah, I think dark, Like, look at the

1579
01:19:25,600 --> 01:19:28,640
Speaker 1: quarterback room. It's like it's the same reason why I

1580
01:19:28,720 --> 01:19:31,760
Speaker 1: think Anthony Richardson would start every game this year. It's

1581
01:19:32,120 --> 01:19:34,080
Speaker 1: look who's look who's in the quarterback room. Like I

1582
01:19:34,680 --> 01:19:37,479
Speaker 1: but yeah, I mean this is coming from a scarred

1583
01:19:37,720 --> 01:19:40,640
Speaker 1: person who had to watch Tommy DeVito throw football and

1584
01:19:40,760 --> 01:19:42,960
Speaker 1: like he can't, like if they were willing to play

1585
01:19:43,000 --> 01:19:46,720
Speaker 1: Tommy DeVito who can't throw a football. I just think

1586
01:19:46,800 --> 01:19:50,400
Speaker 1: Jackson Dart's getting getting like fifteenth starts this year, So yeah,

1587
01:19:50,400 --> 01:19:51,880
Speaker 1: I guess I'm high on him too. But I'm gonna

1588
01:19:51,880 --> 01:19:55,559
Speaker 1: go to Britard Smith, uh, running back Kansas City Chiefs,

1589
01:19:55,600 --> 01:19:57,600
Speaker 1: And you mean we kind of talked about him with

1590
01:19:57,680 --> 01:19:59,920
Speaker 1: the top and just a guy that I think should

1591
01:19:59,920 --> 01:20:04,160
Speaker 1: be on people's radars because Isaiah Pacheco ended up leaving

1592
01:20:04,160 --> 01:20:06,560
Speaker 1: the team in rushing. Is a seventh round rookie to

1593
01:20:07,000 --> 01:20:10,680
Speaker 1: fifty one overall. Smith a seventh rounder who actually went

1594
01:20:10,720 --> 01:20:15,000
Speaker 1: twenty three spots higher overall than the Pachecko six over

1595
01:20:15,080 --> 01:20:18,479
Speaker 1: sixteen hundred and fifty scrimmag yards, eighteen touchdowns last year

1596
01:20:18,479 --> 01:20:23,040
Speaker 1: at SMU four point three nine forty third fastest home

1597
01:20:23,120 --> 01:20:26,080
Speaker 1: run hitting kind of guy, the one thing that She's

1598
01:20:26,080 --> 01:20:29,160
Speaker 1: really don't have in their backfield. So you know, it

1599
01:20:29,240 --> 01:20:31,240
Speaker 1: could just be end up being like a Canarious Tony

1600
01:20:31,280 --> 01:20:34,639
Speaker 1: type role. But again, I think we see these days

1601
01:20:34,680 --> 01:20:37,920
Speaker 1: that speed gets on the field, smaller frames don't matter

1602
01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:41,280
Speaker 1: as much, and you know, teams will kind of find

1603
01:20:41,280 --> 01:20:43,280
Speaker 1: a role for you if you if you can be explosive,

1604
01:20:43,320 --> 01:20:45,840
Speaker 1: and I mean you're looking at Isaiah Perchecko three point

1605
01:20:45,880 --> 01:20:49,799
Speaker 1: six yards for Carrie last year. Nothing in the receiving

1606
01:20:49,880 --> 01:20:51,840
Speaker 1: game to the point where it's like almost like a tell.

1607
01:20:52,240 --> 01:20:54,000
Speaker 1: So they tried to get him going in the receiving

1608
01:20:54,040 --> 01:20:56,439
Speaker 1: game and it still didn't work, even with the defense

1609
01:20:56,520 --> 01:20:58,880
Speaker 1: is not expecting it not good inside the five yard line.

1610
01:20:59,120 --> 01:21:01,519
Speaker 1: I just think he's our he his time has passed.

1611
01:21:01,600 --> 01:21:03,760
Speaker 1: I think it's kind of like Cride Edward d Lair,

1612
01:21:03,840 --> 01:21:05,360
Speaker 1: like life comes out to trass. It's like one minute

1613
01:21:05,360 --> 01:21:07,639
Speaker 1: you're getting drafted high and you're you know, you're getting

1614
01:21:08,080 --> 01:21:10,000
Speaker 1: top twenty four in fantasy, you're on the best offense

1615
01:21:10,040 --> 01:21:11,720
Speaker 1: in the league, and the next thing you're out of

1616
01:21:11,800 --> 01:21:14,920
Speaker 1: a job or you're game day inactive. I think Pacheco's

1617
01:21:15,000 --> 01:21:17,240
Speaker 1: kind of heading in that direction. Kareem Hunt has an

1618
01:21:17,240 --> 01:21:19,720
Speaker 1: average four yards it carries since twenty twenty one, and

1619
01:21:20,280 --> 01:21:24,160
Speaker 1: he thoroughly outplayed Pacheco last year. Now maybe it was

1620
01:21:24,240 --> 01:21:27,560
Speaker 1: the injury, but again Pachecko's a seventh round pick, Like

1621
01:21:27,640 --> 01:21:29,800
Speaker 1: there's he might just be regressing to his normal mean

1622
01:21:30,160 --> 01:21:31,840
Speaker 1: And now you got another guy in the mix who's

1623
01:21:31,840 --> 01:21:34,559
Speaker 1: a lot faster, could do a lot with this offense.

1624
01:21:34,800 --> 01:21:37,240
Speaker 1: Andy Reid scheme ended up this is a team given

1625
01:21:37,360 --> 01:21:42,400
Speaker 1: carries to full back, special team or Carson Steele last year,

1626
01:21:42,520 --> 01:21:46,120
Speaker 1: so uh, and then Elijah Mitchell's there beat Riders. Don't

1627
01:21:46,120 --> 01:21:49,599
Speaker 1: think he's going to make the team, So yeah, Brashard

1628
01:21:49,640 --> 01:21:52,160
Speaker 1: Smith is a guy just like Pacheco's. Kind of started

1629
01:21:52,200 --> 01:21:53,840
Speaker 1: out as like, who who the hell is this? And

1630
01:21:53,880 --> 01:21:56,360
Speaker 1: then as the summer progressed, it was like this guy

1631
01:21:56,400 --> 01:21:58,639
Speaker 1: actually might have a chance, and then it was like, oh, actually,

1632
01:21:59,560 --> 01:22:01,960
Speaker 1: I would bet that this guy is like the leading rusher,

1633
01:22:02,000 --> 01:22:03,880
Speaker 1: and then started off. I think he got a few

1634
01:22:03,920 --> 01:22:06,280
Speaker 1: carries in week one, but end of the year we

1635
01:22:06,680 --> 01:22:09,640
Speaker 1: did the team of Russian So I think Smith's not

1636
01:22:09,800 --> 01:22:11,639
Speaker 1: quite the same type kind of player. I think he'd

1637
01:22:11,680 --> 01:22:14,280
Speaker 1: do more in the like he'd be more involved in

1638
01:22:14,360 --> 01:22:18,519
Speaker 1: the in the past game. But don't like Bucky Irving,

1639
01:22:18,600 --> 01:22:20,280
Speaker 1: Tad is not to sleep on these kind of guys.

1640
01:22:20,320 --> 01:22:22,599
Speaker 1: They don't look like, they don't look like much Day

1641
01:22:22,640 --> 01:22:26,639
Speaker 1: three speed kind of guys sometimes, but in the right

1642
01:22:27,000 --> 01:22:29,320
Speaker 1: right spots they could hit. So I think it's it's

1643
01:22:29,360 --> 01:22:32,080
Speaker 1: gotta be Smith for me, But like I said, round eighteen,

1644
01:22:32,400 --> 01:22:35,479
Speaker 1: like you don't like keep scrolling down the list because

1645
01:22:35,479 --> 01:22:36,720
Speaker 1: there's a lot of other guys I could have. I

1646
01:22:36,760 --> 01:22:41,000
Speaker 1: could also talk that don't have round eighteen ADPs. I

1647
01:22:41,040 --> 01:22:43,479
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