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Speaker 2: I have a confession to make, Monty. I can't stand

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Speaker 2: it when people call the WNBA the W. It annoys

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Speaker 3: What about the m NBA?

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Speaker 2: There you go, BM, Let's just call it yes association. No,

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Speaker 2: it's just WNBA like they're trying to sound cool. They're

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Speaker 2: trying to sound a hit by calling it the W.

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Speaker 2: Here's my suggestion, you have one. Okay, instead of calling

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Speaker 2: it the W, let's call it the T because there

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Speaker 2: is always ta going on with the W NBA.

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Speaker 2: It's funny because you heard Brie say that the Browns

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Speaker 2: have made a change at quarterback, something we're going to

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Speaker 2: get to in about twenty minutes or so. The change

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Speaker 2: at quarterback is Dylan Gabriel in for Joe Flacco. I

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Speaker 2: did not mention should or Sanders, but somehow, some way,

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Speaker 2: should door Sanders has also become a part of the

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Speaker 2: conversation that comes up in about twenty five minutes. But

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Speaker 2: you know it's the middle of the show, in the

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Speaker 2: middle of the week. That means he's not getting.

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Speaker 5: Time for.

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Speaker 6: The midway.

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Speaker 2: I think I mischaracterized Jason Stewart when I called him

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Speaker 2: the thoughtful critic. Was it thoughtful skeptic? Which one was it?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, skeptic is better. Let's I thought, whatever

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Speaker 7: makes me sound smarter.

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Speaker 2: As Doug calls him the resident, Jason prefers thoughtful skeptic,

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Speaker 2: and Jim Rome called him the benign troll.

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Speaker 8: I like that one too. I like that one too,

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Speaker 8: Benign Troll.

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Speaker 2: What have we got for the midway today, Jason?

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Speaker 7: Okay, so we got some drama in the w n

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Speaker 7: b A. We're not talking about matchups, We're not talking

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Speaker 8: I don't know who is.

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Speaker 7: Still playing in the w NBA playoffs, but this story

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Speaker 7: peaked my interest yesterday. There's so many layers to this,

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Speaker 7: but I think, UH, tell me if I'm misrepresenting her

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Speaker 7: manci the FISA Collier is one of the best players

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Speaker 7: in the league.

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Speaker 3: Sure absolutely, candidate absolutely and has her champion.

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Speaker 8: Another league, the unrivaled.

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Speaker 3: Correct.

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Speaker 7: She took a torch to the commissioner of the NBA.

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Speaker 7: This Kathy Eggbert Engelbert Engelbert Engelbert. Yes, the WNBA. Some

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Speaker 7: call it the w I call it the t I

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Speaker 7: want to give you guys a little taste of what

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Speaker 7: Nafisa Collier said about the WNBA's commissionery yesterday.

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Speaker 9: Our leadership's answer to being held accountable is to suppress

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Speaker 9: everyone's voices by handing out fines. I'm not concerned about

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Speaker 9: a fine. I'm concerned about the future of our sport.

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Speaker 9: At some point, everyone deserves to hear the truth. We

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Speaker 9: have the best players in the world, we have the

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Speaker 9: best fans in the world, but right now we have

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Speaker 9: the worst leadership in the world. If I didn't know

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Speaker 9: exactly what the job entailed, maybe I wouldn't feel this way.

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Speaker 9: But unfortunately for them, I do we save a league

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Speaker 9: that has shown they think championship coaches and Hall of

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Speaker 9: Fame players are dispensable. And that's fine, it's professional sports.

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Speaker 9: But I will not stand quietly by and allow different

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Speaker 7: Now then she starts getting into relaying a private conversation

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Speaker 9: At Unarrivaled this past February, I sat across from Kathy

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Speaker 9: to fix the fact that players like Caitlin Angel and Page,

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Speaker 9: making so little for their first four years. Her response was,

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Speaker 9: Caitlyn should be grateful she makes sixty million off the court,

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Speaker 9: because without the platform that the WBA gives her, she wouldn't.

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Speaker 8: Make anything, MANSI, what do you think that same.

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Speaker 9: Conversation, she told me players should be on their knees

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Speaker 9: thanking their lucky stars for the media rightesteal that I

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Speaker 9: got them. That's mentality driving our league from the top.

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Speaker 9: We go to battle every day to protect a shield

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Speaker 9: that doesn't value us. The league believes it succeeds despite

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Speaker 3: Go ahead, man, So I totally agree with Dan.

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Speaker 4: And maybe we should call this league the Tea because

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Speaker 4: there is always tea and this is good tea.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if we ever really see a star in.

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Speaker 4: Another professional sport attacking commissioner like this.

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Speaker 3: With specifics. And when I heard.

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Speaker 4: This by Anfusta Collier, because I first saw it like

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Speaker 4: in a written statement, like a quote, and I was like, no, no, no,

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Speaker 3: I want to know how it came off. Right.

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Speaker 4: So I watched the video while I was working at

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Speaker 4: the Dodgers yesterday and I was like, okay, girl, why

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Speaker 4: not why not call her out? Because I do think

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Speaker 4: that the leadership of the WNBA has failed at times,

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Speaker 4: especially since Caitlin Clark, Angel Reese, Paige Beckers has come

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Speaker 4: the officiating issues. It's hard to watch the WNBA and

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Speaker 4: everybody was getting hurt, not just Caitlin Clark, which it

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Speaker 4: NBA players for not handling themselves well throughout this entire

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Speaker 3: Was it with Kitlin Clark and Angel Reese around? And

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Speaker 3: now I'm like, you know what, girls, I may have

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Speaker 3: been too harsh on you, because you're right. If this

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Speaker 3: then how are you not going to act out the

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Speaker 3: leadership needed to step in from the beginning.

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Speaker 4: And I'm sorry, but I agree with the FISA Collier.

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Speaker 2: There is there is something I don't know if ironics

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Speaker 2: the right phrase, but I just find it interesting that

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Speaker 2: the VISA Collier gets injured, and a point that's been

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Speaker 2: brought up when we started paying attention to the WNBA

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Speaker 2: last year because of Caitlin Clark and the physical play

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Speaker 2: that came with Caitlin Clark. At that point was not

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Speaker 2: a problem with the double NBA officials. At least the

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Speaker 2: Now this is this is not meant to be a

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Speaker 2: let's bring it all back to Caitlin Clark sort of deal.

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Speaker 2: But the FISA Collier is now trying to gather the

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Speaker 2: Caitlin Clark fans and the Angel Rees fans and the

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Speaker 2: Page Beckers fans and getting them on her side. So

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Speaker 2: why now do you have a problem after you get

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Speaker 2: hurt in the playoffs When this for us Johnny cum

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Speaker 2: Lately's has seemingly been an issue the last two years

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Speaker 2: in the WNBA. Why wasn't this statement mentioned last year

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Speaker 2: when it was happening. That's the part that I start

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Speaker 2: to question. I have no doubt that there could be

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Speaker 2: but I just it feels like now it happened to me,

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Speaker 4: You know what, I am not upset with you pointing

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Speaker 4: that out because you're right. Why now is there alter

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Speaker 4: your motives here? Is it because of unrival the league

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Speaker 4: that you are pushing? Like what exactly is it behind

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Speaker 4: you making this statement now?

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Speaker 3: I totally totally can see that.

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Speaker 4: But at the same time, it came out now and

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Speaker 4: it's good, finally finally someone said it.

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Speaker 2: But why didn't they do it last year?

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Speaker 3: Good question? I don't know.

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Speaker 2: That's a big question, yes, And that's like, that's the issue,

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Speaker 2: and that's why it is a little bit difficult for

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Speaker 2: me to take everything that the FISA collier is saying

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Speaker 2: as legitimate when these issues have been going on. But

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Speaker 2: last year when Caitlin Clark was getting pushed to the

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Speaker 2: ground and shoved to the ground, it was an issue.

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Speaker 2: Now the FESA collier gets injured on a crappy foul

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Speaker 2: and it's you gotta do something WNBA Like that to

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Speaker 2: me is a double standard in and why her words? Yesay,

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Speaker 2: while so many said men, you've got to listen to it,

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Speaker 2: and I did, and I thought that she did a

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Speaker 2: great job in laying out her points, But I also

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Speaker 2: why now is it because you're the one that was

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Speaker 4: But see the thing is like she maybe it is

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Speaker 3: I totally hear what you're saying, and you're not wrong.

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Speaker 4: I'm just saying, like, what if this was something that

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Speaker 4: It's like it built up and maybe at first she

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Speaker 4: was building a case like you're not wrong.

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Speaker 3: I'm just I don't know. I'm giving it the benefit

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Speaker 3: of the doubt, but you're not wrong.

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Speaker 4: I just don't feel as strongly about you what it is, Samuel.

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Speaker 10: I just want to point out that earlier in the season,

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Speaker 10: when Caitlyn was playing, I know that she had some issues.

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Speaker 10: She had some concerns about not enough calls going her

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Speaker 10: way to get to the free throw line. I know

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Speaker 10: Kelsey Plumb got you know, basically like scratch on her face,

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Speaker 10: and so so it feels like now the game is

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Speaker 10: sped up even more because of like how Caitlyn Clark plays,

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Speaker 10: and so this was bubbling up to this point where

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Speaker 10: Anfisa Colliers like speaking on it, right, and.

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Speaker 2: We're also talking about a time where again Kaitlyn Clark

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Speaker 2: didn't play a majority of this season, but now it's

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Speaker 2: happened to them. So like Kelsey Plumb is speaking up

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Speaker 2: because it's happening to her because she's getting scratched in

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Speaker 2: the face. But last year when it was happening to Caitlyn.

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Speaker 3: Clark, nobody cared.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, nobody, they didn't care. She was just taking like

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Speaker 2: her hazing so to speak. You know, you're not deal

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Speaker 2: find out.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, totally, You're not wrong, Dan, You're really not. I

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Speaker 3: guess I'm just still not upset that she.

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Speaker 4: Did it, even though it seems like why did you wait?

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Speaker 3: How convenient? Right, is what you're saying, How convenient for you? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: to want to say this now, I totally, I totally

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Speaker 3: hear you.

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Speaker 3: Well, like you said, she was trying to get attention.

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Speaker 2: You were to say the young stars of this game.

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Speaker 2: And so that's and again this was a four minute statement.

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Speaker 2: And this is what Englbert said, quote, I have the

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Speaker 2: She got one thing right, say less yes, and that's

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Speaker 2: But that's all Kathy Engelbert had to say. She didn't

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, she really didn't have much to say. I unless

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Speaker 4: But the point is like you still did not handle

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Speaker 7: Now, let me ask you this if and can we

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Speaker 3: Because I didn't think it was that mischaracterized.

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Speaker 7: Well, I mean, nobody knows, right because there was a

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Speaker 7: It's almost like like when you're hearing from your girlfriend

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Speaker 3: Right to me?

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Speaker 4: I took that as like, oh, did Kathy think she

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Speaker 4: It was that, oh, you you repeated our conversation. I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And Kathy Engelbert, if she did say what Nafisa

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Speaker 2: garner the support. She could have said this in an

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Speaker 2: because guess what, it's not the WNBA's job to find

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Speaker 4: I don't agree that ness necessarily you need to fire

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Speaker 4: This this to me since last year it has been

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Speaker 3: But you're still like Stills.

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Speaker 2: And it's still Shanahan McVay. They both know what both

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Speaker 2: are going to do exactly.

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Speaker 5: That coaching tree, the same coaching tree.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just maybe the Rams have more horses than the Niners.

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Speaker 3: Just a tad.

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Speaker 5: The Cardinals running back Tray Benson he underwent arthroscopic surgery

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Speaker 5: on his meniscus. He's expected to be out four to

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Speaker 5: six weeks. Coach Jonathan Gannon told reporters Benson is expected

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Speaker 5: to return at some point this season. Chargers coach Jim

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Speaker 5: Harbaugh announced Joe all is doubtful to play this week,

446
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Speaker 5: and Buccaneers running back Bucky Irving is dealing with an

447
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Speaker 5: ankle sprain and was seen with a walking boot at practice,

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Speaker 5: but the team has not ruled him out for a

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Speaker 5: Sunday's game. And the big news was the Browns announced

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Speaker 5: they are benching quarterback Joe Flacco and starting Dylan Gabriel

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Speaker 5: for Sunday's London game against the Vikings. On the other

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Speaker 5: side of Minnesota, JJ McCarthy not fully back at practice,

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Speaker 5: but in the second part of his rehab a coding,

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Speaker 5: according to coach Kevin O'Connell, Thanks guys, back to you.

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Speaker 2: So let's talk about the Browns situation, all right? And

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Speaker 2: I thought we could. I thought it was maybe possible

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Speaker 2: that we have a conversation about the Browns quarterback situation

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Speaker 2: and not bring up shit or.

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Speaker 3: Sanders, Ah, we can he didn't even say anything.

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Speaker 2: Correct, Manzi is correct in that because instead of just

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Speaker 2: using coach speak or a bunch of cliches, which I

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Speaker 2: don't like, I don't want to sound like I'm talking

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Speaker 2: out of both sides of my mouth. I would rather

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Speaker 2: have somebody say how they feel than to give us

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Speaker 2: a bunch of just lines to say. Sure, So I

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Speaker 2: don't want to put Shador Sanders in a double standard. However,

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Speaker 2: when you go full mime, you're making the story a

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Speaker 2: little bit about you, and he went full mind today

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Speaker 2: and if you're wondering what that is, it is exactly

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Speaker 2: what I'm talking about. He was asked questions by reporters.

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Speaker 2: We can't play the audio because all Shador Sanders did

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Speaker 2: was mouth his answers back by not saying any words

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Speaker 2: and then just giving different exaggerations and motions with his

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Speaker 2: hand and face. It was a mockery of the criticism

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Speaker 2: that he has received for recently speaking out about his

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Speaker 2: role or talking about his role with the Browns. So

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Speaker 2: now he's giving back to those who criticized him by

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Speaker 2: doing this. Yeah, that's what it was. You didn't hear

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Speaker 2: me say anything that's exactly how it sounded with shad

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Speaker 2: Or Sanders today.

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Speaker 6: Uh.

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Speaker 4: You know, I it's funny because I was going to

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Speaker 4: point out that that's really hard to do to like

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Speaker 4: not make any sounds, especially for you. Yes, yes, yeah,

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Speaker 4: I make a lot of noise, a lot of noise.

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Speaker 4: Like I could not even if I was trying to

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Speaker 4: mime and say words without any noise.

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Speaker 3: I would have a very hard time with that.

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Speaker 4: But right now, like you weren't saying actual words, you

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Speaker 4: were just minding yes, So like I think he was trying.

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Speaker 3: To say words, but wasn't. It was just smiling.

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Speaker 4: Uh, I don't know what he was doing, because you're right,

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Speaker 4: it's like you're trying to not make it seem like

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Speaker 4: it's Oh, I don't care. I'm trying to not bring

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Speaker 4: attention to the situation, but you're bringing more attention to

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Speaker 4: the situation by doing that.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it's a completely passive aggressive move.

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Speaker 3: Is a passive aggressive move?

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Speaker 2: Eh?

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Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean what else are we expecting?

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Speaker 2: What is completely not being talked about is And this

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Speaker 2: isn't meant to take the heat off of Shador because

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Speaker 2: I think that this is like Shador brought this upon

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Speaker 2: himself today. But when Shador does this, we don't talk

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Speaker 2: about the real situation around Dylan Gabriel, who, by the way,

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Speaker 2: I'm not calling him a victim in all of this.

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Speaker 2: I don't think that the situation was ideal. But he

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Speaker 2: also needs to perform right and he needs to take

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Speaker 2: advantage of his opportunity. And while a third round pick

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Speaker 2: at quarterback isn't a guarantee to be a starter and

511
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Speaker 2: a future starter and a ten year starter and Pro

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Speaker 2: Bowler MVP candidate in the National Football League, when you

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Speaker 2: are drafting and you are making decisions, second and third

514
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Speaker 2: rounders nowadays are very important in building out your football team.

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Speaker 2: So when you take a quarterback, obviously in the first rounds,

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Speaker 2: you're gonna want him to play. Second round and third

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Speaker 2: round you kind of have similar expectations. But if Dylan

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Speaker 2: Gabriel doesn't work out, and now because he has maybe

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Speaker 2: a shorter leash, because Shador Sanders is on his heels

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Speaker 2: of being even though he's the third string quarterback, it's

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Speaker 2: a bad pick by the Browns. And that's why it

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Speaker 2: was so shocking to me today, Manzi, because I've seen

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Speaker 2: other NFL insiders and amusing quotes that will talk poetically

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Speaker 2: about players and not give us the real news. It's

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Speaker 2: very agent driven. Tom Pelasaro sent out a tweet from

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Speaker 2: the NFL Network, and I think Tom Pelasaro is magnificent,

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Speaker 2: but he made a point to talk about how strong

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Speaker 2: this Brown's draft class was, with Mason Graham, with quin

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Speaker 2: Shawn Judkins now moving on, and other players having great seasons.

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Speaker 2: That didn't seem like an insider quote. It felt more

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Speaker 2: of propaganda. Look at what the Browns have done, look

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Speaker 2: at the great draft picks that they've made, But if

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Speaker 2: Dylan Gabriel doesn't work out, it's a failed third round pick.

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Speaker 2: They happened in the NFL, but it's a waste for

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Speaker 2: the Browns, and they didn't put themselves in a good

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Speaker 2: situation to make the third round pick work because of

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Speaker 2: the fifth round pick that that then used on Shador Sanders.

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Speaker 2: But there was pressure on Dylan Gabriel to work out

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Speaker 2: in Cleveland. But we're not even talking about that because

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Speaker 2: we're talking about everything else that goes around with the

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Speaker 2: Cleveland Browns.

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Speaker 3: And that's been the whole season.

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Speaker 4: We have been talking about things out of order when

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Speaker 4: it comes to the Cleveland Browns because they kind.

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Speaker 3: Of did things out of order than we were.

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Speaker 4: Expecting on how they drafted Shador Sanders and when they

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Speaker 4: did it and drafting Dylan Gabriel. Everything has been out

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Speaker 4: of order with the Browns. But Dylan Gabriel getting the

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Speaker 4: start at this point is actually the most in order

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Speaker 4: thing the Browns have done. You have to see what

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Speaker 4: he can do. Give them the opportunity, because when else

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Speaker 4: it hasn't worked out with Flackel like at all.

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Speaker 3: They have looked so out of sync.

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Speaker 4: The entire time, and even though their defense has been

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Speaker 4: pretty solid as they have been, so to me, this

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Speaker 4: is like the most in step order. Okay, now let's

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Speaker 4: see what Dylan Gabriel can do, and I agree with you.

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Speaker 4: If he doesn't perform, you've got Shador Sanders right there,

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Speaker 4: which is the next logical step. And so that's what

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Speaker 4: Shad Shador should have said, like, I'm really happy that

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Speaker 4: Dylan Gabriel is getting the start because that means I'm

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Speaker 4: one step closer to maybe getting an opportunity.

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Speaker 3: That's what Shador should have said.

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Speaker 2: And there is going to be a point. So if

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Speaker 2: Dylan Gabriel gets hurt in week five, which we don't

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Speaker 2: hope for Joe Flacco is going to start in week six.

567
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,359
Speaker 2: Joe Flacco's the backup. If he gets hurt in this

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Speaker 2: game against the Vikings, then Joe Flacco's going to come

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Speaker 2: in and replace him. However, the situation changes in week

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Speaker 2: eleven or week twelve, if the season has gone down

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Speaker 2: the road and Dylan Gabriel hasn't performed at that point,

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Speaker 2: it will be shad Or Sanders' time. Why should Or

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Speaker 2: Sanders chose to mime instead of just saying the coach

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Speaker 2: speak or saying the right thing. I don't know, but

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Speaker 2: there is a scenario, and now it's a more realistic

576
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Speaker 2: scenario that shoud Or Sander will get his opportunity. But

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Speaker 2: today wasn't about Shador Sanders, and somehow it in a way,

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Speaker 2: it became about shad Or Sanders. We did the preview.

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Speaker 2: Do you remember when we put questions in a hat? Yes,

580
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Speaker 2: it was a month ago, prior to the NFL season.

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Speaker 2: It was on Labor Day. Jason was here and perfect

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Speaker 2: and Chris, and Chris was here. I wrote the question,

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Speaker 2: will shoud Or Sanders do a postgame interview from a

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Speaker 2: game he didn't play? Right?

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Speaker 3: Do you remember that yes he did. He did.

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Speaker 2: So he's still a third string quarterback and he's still

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Speaker 2: getting asked questions. And that's the point of like those

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00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 2: things are, why are we interviewing the third string quarterback.

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Speaker 2: We don't do it on any other team. Certain teams

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Speaker 2: don't have third string quarterbacks, but we're doing it with

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Speaker 2: the Browns and that's again just goes back to my

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Speaker 2: main point. But again, today was not about shad Or Sanders.

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Speaker 2: Today was about Dylan Gabriel getting his first NFL start.

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Speaker 2: But the miming of Shador to take shots at his

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Speaker 2: haters out there, I think kind of takes over some

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Speaker 2: of the day.

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Speaker 4: Do you think the Browns at this point now, I'm

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Speaker 4: wondering if they did what they did drafting Shador when

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Speaker 4: they did because they knew they would at least be

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Speaker 4: a topic of conversation.

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Speaker 3: Look at the Cowboys.

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Speaker 4: Cowboys, doesn't matter, we're talking about them.

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Speaker 2: If that was the edict that we think from Jimmy Haslm,

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Speaker 2: then yeah, I think that theory does have some value.

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Speaker 4: Because the entire time the Browns have been this entire season,

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Speaker 4: the Browns have been a constant topic of conversation.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, if Jimmy has them's playing chess and

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Speaker 2: we're just playing checkers. But we haven't talked about the

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Speaker 2: massage lover Deshaun Watson at all, all with his achilles injury,

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Speaker 2: which that was a enormous cloud over the Browns last year,

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Speaker 2: and now we're more talking about this.

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Speaker 4: Other things that are that you know, it is like interesting, right,

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Speaker 4: It's interesting how we're talking to Shadoor Sanders when he

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Speaker 4: has not moved up at all in the roster for

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Speaker 4: the Browns.

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Speaker 3: He's not even the backup, like you just said, it's

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Speaker 3: gonna be Joe Flacco.

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Speaker 2: And they they have made a complete mess of the

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Speaker 2: quarterback position. And it goes back to the Watson signing.

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Speaker 2: Then it goes back to the variety of quarterbacks. But again,

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Speaker 2: just even this offseason, Manzi, they traded for Kenny Pickett.

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Speaker 2: So they traded for him, and then because they didn't

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Speaker 2: resign Flacco last year, they felt they had the right

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Speaker 2: their wrongs for what he did for them two years ago,

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Speaker 2: and then they resigned him. But Kenny Pickett was thought

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Speaker 2: to be the guy at least in the off season

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Speaker 2: leading into who was going to be the quarterback? Well,

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Speaker 2: then they draft two quarterbacks, so now I have four quarterbacks,

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Speaker 2: which this is all revision, is history. But then Kenny

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Speaker 2: Pickett's not healthy, so Joe Flacco ends up being QB

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Speaker 2: one pretty much on the first day of training camp.

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Speaker 2: And then you have Kenny Pickett jettisoned before the start

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Speaker 2: of the season, and we still have the drama between

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Speaker 2: Gabriel and Sanders. My goodness, yes that none of it

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Speaker 2: made sense, but none of it made sense. None of

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Speaker 2: it actually showed of planning, and Dylan Gabriel now getting

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Speaker 2: maybe a five to six week audition to be the

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Speaker 2: starting quarterback. Maybe, yes, that doesn't sound like much of

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Speaker 2: a plan either. She's Manzi Blanios. I'm Dan Byer in

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Speaker 2: Doug Gottlieb today here on Fox Sports Radio. Find Monty

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Speaker 2: at Monte Blanos. You can find me at Dan Bayer

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Speaker 2: on Fox. We got some baseball news, longtime manager out

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Speaker 2: and other players out for Week five. That's next year

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Speaker 2: of Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 6: Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug

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Speaker 6: Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on

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Speaker 6: Fox Sports Radio in the iHeartRadio app.

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Speaker 2: Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio she's Monty Blanos. I'm

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Speaker 2: Dan Byron for Doug today. Miming is done. We're done

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Speaker 2: with miming, but we are not done yet. Neither is

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Speaker 2: Brianna Muro. She's here with the press.

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Speaker 6: Woo the press.

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Speaker 2: Big thanks to Diowa. Sam Jason Stewart, executive producer, hanging

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Speaker 2: out as well, Brie. What do you got all righty guys?

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Speaker 5: So forty nine Ers quarterback Rock Perty He has officially

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Speaker 5: been ruled out Thursday night against the Rams. He was

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Speaker 5: feeling a little bit sore after the loss to the Jaguars,

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Speaker 5: but officially he's been ruled out. Mac Jones will get

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Speaker 5: the start.

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Speaker 2: Just like you, guys, hate the three game series with

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Speaker 2: the Dodgers and Padres if they were to play with

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Speaker 2: the Red Souts and the Yankees. I hate division games

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Speaker 2: on short weeks because of situations like this. Such a

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Speaker 2: tough spot for San Francisco now without their quarterback to

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Speaker 2: be able to recover from. I don't want to say

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Speaker 2: a minor injury, but maybe if he was given three

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Speaker 2: more days for a division game, that's unfortunate.

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Speaker 3: It does suck. I agree with you.

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Speaker 4: Sometimes you wonder how they think of the schedule. This way, man,

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Speaker 4: what a I really was expecting the forty nine ers

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Speaker 4: to in a little bit kind of cruise through a

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Speaker 4: lot of their games because of their strength of schedule.

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Speaker 3: But it has not gone.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, here's the problem with that. Nobody wanted to consider

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Speaker 2: the strength of the forty nine ers, correct. They just

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Speaker 2: wanted to look at their opponents and said, oh, but

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Speaker 2: the forty nine ers had Wartz. They really did.

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Speaker 3: They really did.

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Speaker 4: But I'm still surprised. Not that I thought they were

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Speaker 4: gonna kick ass or anything like that, but I thought

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Speaker 4: that they would find way to win.

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Speaker 3: We started up three, but now I'm like, I don't know,

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Speaker 3: I want to see that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, good point.

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Speaker 3: All right, you guys.

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Speaker 5: So obviously the Tennessee Titans are zero to four. Cam

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Speaker 5: Ward has been kind of making some waves with his

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Speaker 5: controversial kind of statements after postgames. Well, Brian Callahan had

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Speaker 5: this to say about his quarterbacks comments.

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Speaker 2: Was he miming as well?

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Speaker 3: He was not.

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Speaker 5: He was saying, well, cam Ward has been saying all

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Speaker 5: these things recently about like if the team has been

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Speaker 5: to mass Okay, so we do have the sound Okay,

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Speaker 5: there we go.

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Speaker 2: You have cam Ward? Do we have Brian callahans, do

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Speaker 2: we have Brian Callahan sound.

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Speaker 8: Or we got cam Ward's sound from Sunday?

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Speaker 11: Okay, I mean we're keeping a book right now, we

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Speaker 11: ask so we own four. We have this one. We

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Speaker 11: got none to lose. We dropped the court of our

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Speaker 11: games and we've yet to do anything, so we have

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Speaker 11: to lock in.

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Speaker 5: So Brian Callahan's response to this, he's learning to grow

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Speaker 5: up in the NFL and learning the weight his word.

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Speaker 2: It's Carrie, He's Callahan isn't wrong. It's just that Callahan

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Speaker 2: probably doesn't have the leg to stand on, considering how

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Speaker 2: he handles his own press conference in attacking reporters and

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Speaker 2: dismissing questions like they're out to get him. When you're

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Speaker 2: zero and four, there's gonna be tough questions. So maybe

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Speaker 2: cam Ward was a bit more revealing. Maybe he doesn't

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Speaker 2: have the equity because he's a in just his fourth

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Speaker 2: game of the season, and I think that's the point

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Speaker 2: that Brian Callahan was trying to make. But the tough

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Speaker 2: part is is Brian Callahan as the messenger, he hasn't

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Speaker 2: been great with his words throughout his short ten years

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Speaker 2: a head coach in the NFL.

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Speaker 4: You definitely don't expect a rookie to be so direct.

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Speaker 4: I guess right and so honest on there's a situation.

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Speaker 4: But cam Ward is not wrong. The Titians have been

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Speaker 4: a rough lot, correct.

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Speaker 2: But that's for Jeffrey Simmons to say, or Tony Pollard

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Speaker 2: to say, even though they haven't been there that long.

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Speaker 2: That's the point of it. It's just that I think

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Speaker 2: a Titans player would need to say it, like Jeffrey

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Speaker 2: Simmons would need to say, like I got to talk

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Speaker 2: to cam you know, he's sure got to add, you know,

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Speaker 2: maybe a few more games under his belt before saying

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Speaker 2: those things. But you're right, we're all in for a

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Speaker 2: ramp playing good football at all.

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Speaker 5: Yes, alrighty guys and so and then the NCAA have

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Speaker 5: they have decided to move the twenty twenty eight Women's

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Speaker 5: Final four to Lucas Oil Stadium to increase capacity rather

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Speaker 5: than the arena where the Pacers and Fever play.

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Speaker 2: That is a big step. It is a very big step.

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Speaker 2: And the reason why it's a big step is because

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Speaker 2: you could get seventy thousand in that place for a game.

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Speaker 2: But but even the men sometimes don't get that many,

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Speaker 2: depending on who makes the final four, but it is

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Speaker 2: showing the growth of the women's game. They could set

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Speaker 2: it up where you could get forty thousand as well

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Speaker 2: if you wanted to.

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Speaker 3: It's a football, yeah, to play. I don't like that.

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Speaker 4: I don't like that it's too far away, you can't

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Speaker 4: see anything. I don't like it trying to grow the game.

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Speaker 4: I understand you want more fans there, and I get

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Speaker 4: all that, but I would not want to watch a

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Speaker 4: game that far way.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I don't know. No, the old final four setups

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Speaker 2: were great. Now when they put it in the middle

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Speaker 2: of the court, it's awful for everybody. There isn't one

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Speaker 2: good seat exactly. But what the NCAA is now I

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Speaker 2: think saying is, oh, there's a way we can make

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Speaker 2: more money. Let's do that. And that's what they're trying

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Speaker 2: to do.

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Speaker 3: It's all about money.

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Speaker 2: So even if you got eighteen thousand where the Pacers

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Speaker 2: play a game Bridge Field House, if you get twenty

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Speaker 2: five thousand, even if it's seven thousand more, seven thousand

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Speaker 2: more than you would have had at the other place,

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Speaker 2: but a terrible view for the fans. And that's the

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Speaker 2: press they get out.

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Speaker 6: There and pressed that was the press.

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Speaker 2: It's always been bad. There isn't one good seats in

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Speaker 2: the seventy thousand.

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Speaker 3: I don't like it at all.

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Speaker 2: I like you, though. Manzi dugs back tomorrow