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Speaker 1: Unpacking the Toolbox is a production of Shondaland Audio in

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Speaker 1: partnership with iheartradioshas Katie.

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, Sergio, you are such a handsome.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: At the time of this recording, it's been a hot

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Speaker 2: minute since I've seen Sergio Lopez Rivera in person.

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Speaker 4: Hello.

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Speaker 2: Same, Yeah, I mean, Betsy's known you the longest, and

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Speaker 2: we can all go through where we first met you.

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Speaker 2: I was guest starring on a show where I met you,

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Speaker 2: and you look the same.

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Speaker 3: What.

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Speaker 4: It's so fucked up. I mean, it's so fucking It's

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Speaker 4: like it's like the portrait of Dorian Gray or whatever

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Speaker 4: that thing is. Where's your portrait?

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Speaker 3: There's a decaying portrait in my head? Yeah, yes, yes,

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Speaker 3: you know what. I think. It's a sleep sleep.

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Speaker 4: I don't look like you when I sleep.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, neither do I. And also being in Hollywood with

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Speaker 2: our hours that we have worked with you in our masts,

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Speaker 2: I see you without sleep and you look the same.

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Speaker 2: And what I'm just so upset about is that you

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Speaker 2: were a person behind the cameras. Kiermu and I are

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Speaker 2: supposed to be the greatest looking human beings of all time, because.

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Speaker 3: You are.

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Speaker 5: I always talked about how happy I was that I

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Speaker 5: didn't have the pressures that like Tony Goldwin and Scott

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Speaker 5: foleyhead where they had to look good take their shirts

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Speaker 5: off every other episode. I was finding that Huck could

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Speaker 5: look hungover like it's all good, you know.

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Speaker 4: What I mean, no juicing, no juicing for no juice

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Speaker 4: or Huck. Well, the people listening, it is so exciting

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Speaker 4: to see Sergio. We've all known each other for many,

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Speaker 4: many years, and we're very excited to dig into the

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Speaker 4: story and the history of one of our favorite human

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Speaker 4: beings and one of the most talented people on Earth. Yes,

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Speaker 4: he might have won big awards recently in the past

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Speaker 4: couple of years, but that's just the tip of it.

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Speaker 2: Because it's an Oscar right it is. Sergio Lopezervera is

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Speaker 2: one of the most awarded and respected makeup artists in Hollywood.

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Speaker 4: Not only is he a makeup artist, but Sergio has

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Speaker 4: literally designed virtually every show which we won't name right

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Speaker 4: now because there is a strike going on and we

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Speaker 4: aren't supported. But since a show very very long time ago,

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Speaker 4: we've always worked with Sergio to design the entire look

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Speaker 4: of the hair and makeup and the cares from usually

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Speaker 4: the pilot series on and the ability to actually not

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Speaker 4: only do make up with the artistry that he doesn't

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Speaker 4: trust me. I've experienced it. It's terrifying. I think my

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Speaker 4: husband just sort of is like, could he just come

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Speaker 4: over every day for something because you look so good?

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Speaker 4: But the idea that he actually is somebody who can

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Speaker 4: design an entire look for a character in conjunction with

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Speaker 4: a customer is mind boggling.

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Speaker 6: It is my favorite thing to do, and honestly, I

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Speaker 6: will get deeper into this, but the opportunity that I

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Speaker 6: was given by shandaland where it just worked for everyone

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Speaker 6: if I were in charge of staffing the hair and

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Speaker 6: makeup trailer, because you guys understood something that a lot

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Speaker 6: of producers and production companies don't understand, which is, if

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Speaker 6: you let me create an environment a family, I can

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Speaker 6: control the amount.

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Speaker 3: Of toxicity or the lack of toxicity.

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Speaker 6: And I can sort of custom build this incredible department

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Speaker 6: that yes they're talented, and yes they'll have an opportunity

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Speaker 6: to showcase their talents, but mostly it's the fact that

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Speaker 6: I like to work with beautiful human beings things like that,

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Speaker 6: and so it was a dream for me, like actually

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Speaker 6: unimaginable because this had never happened before. It was almost

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Speaker 6: like a branding for chandaland that I can tell you

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Speaker 6: stories about guest stars that would come in one of

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Speaker 6: our shows and they would already know that this makeup

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Speaker 6: end because they had not had experiences like that in

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Speaker 6: television before. So it was pretty cool. And I owe

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Speaker 6: It was huge, huge, And.

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Speaker 2: For everybody listening, like who doesn't know about the hair

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Speaker 2: on a show that has longevity, which Shondaland shows fortunately do.

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Speaker 2: They are the people with you at four o'clock in

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Speaker 2: the morning, the proximity to your face. They know what

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Speaker 2: you smell like after coffee. They know when you are

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Speaker 2: nervous about doing a sex scene and your clothes are

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Speaker 2: coming off and someone's coming to my trailer to paint

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Speaker 2: my butt cover a ZiT I have on my butt.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's how close you are.

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Speaker 4: Bets, no boundaries, old, don a second. Have you had

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Speaker 2: Yes, our mutual dearest dearest friend who we also worked with,

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Speaker 2: Denise Hooper. She when I would have sex scenes, she

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Speaker 2: oh my god, like there's like weird. I mean, whatever

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Speaker 2: it is, a mosquito, bite, a ZiT, a patch of cellulite, like,

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Speaker 2: whatever it is, and you're just like you are my

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Speaker 2: so I think that's also why Sergio, you've really it

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Speaker 2: was so amazing what you did, because I think that

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Speaker 2: it's forgotten almost about that, Like the hair and makeup

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Speaker 2: each other's personal space that if everyone can get along

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Speaker 2: and it can be an environment of real collaboration and inspiration,

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Speaker 2: it goes so much better.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it goes so much better, so much further. When

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Speaker 6: an actor goes into the hair makeup trailer, there is

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Speaker 6: a hierarchy right in their mind, like the department head

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Speaker 6: is obviously the better makeup artists or the better hairdresser,

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Speaker 6: and then the key is the second best, and then

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Speaker 6: the third is the worst makeup artist, when that in

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Speaker 6: fact is not true. I have thirdy is that right,

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Speaker 6: thirdy for department heads and.

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Speaker 3: They have thirdy for me.

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Speaker 6: That's how we do this because we would rather assist

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Speaker 6: an incredible person than hire a complete douche that just

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Speaker 6: comes with a great resume, but nobody can stand him,

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Speaker 6: because even just one person, one energy, can throw it

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Speaker 6: all off, you know, like literally my third have more

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Speaker 6: get rid of that hierarchy because at the end of

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Speaker 6: I needed you to be as confident because as I

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Speaker 6: grew within Shandland, it was and harder for me to

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Speaker 6: And it was very, very important that you trusted my team.

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Speaker 4: Delegation is such a huge part of a learning curve

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Speaker 4: because I found that too is you know, you can't

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Speaker 4: of the first things we had to delegate was having

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Speaker 4: a lot of people don't understand and what hair and

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Speaker 4: makeup does when it comes to when you're part of

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Speaker 4: the architect of how a character is articulated in the

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Speaker 4: way that they look. But also over the years with Sergio,

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Speaker 4: I would know that if he felt as though there

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Speaker 4: was trouble or somebody was upset or they seemed vulnerable

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Speaker 4: in the trailer, he could always text me or the

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Speaker 4: creator of the show and say I always say, like

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Speaker 4: sunny with the chance of rain, Like Cou'd say, like,

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Speaker 4: how's it going, what's the weather? Like can you go?

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Speaker 4: You know they're thunderstorms. They haven't kind of arrived yet.

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Speaker 3: Wow, Yeah, light sprinkle.

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Speaker 4: Light sprinkle, and go like nine to one one hurricane

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Speaker 4: and you kind of like running down.

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Speaker 2: So makeup trailers also where the drum, I mean not

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Speaker 2: It's like where people dish on a Monday after a

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Speaker 2: long weekend. It's like where people feel for whatever reason.

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Speaker 2: And I think it's been like this is the beginning

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Speaker 2: Hollywood makeup trailer, that's where you're like, oh, you know,

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Speaker 2: this is what's going on in my personal life, my home.

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Speaker 2: Like it's a really very odd the makeup, wouldn't you agree?

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Speaker 7: Gee?

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Speaker 2: Like the makeup trailers where we talk the most gossip.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, it's where Carrie would feed her little dog bacon.

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Speaker 7: Remember every morning, That's right, she would feed her bacon.

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Speaker 5: But and then we would have our food, and there

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Speaker 5: they'd be delivering our food. We'd be eating while you

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Speaker 5: guys are trying to put makeup on our face.

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Speaker 3: Oh this is so good. Thank you for bringing that up.

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Speaker 6: Ladies say go on the record has to say listen,

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Speaker 6: I understand your window for eating is short, so is mine.

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Speaker 6: But if you're going to eat while I'm attempting to

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Speaker 6: make you look really good, maybe not a double double cheeseburger.

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Speaker 6: Maybe something more friendly like a carrot stick. Okay, then

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Speaker 6: you can do something.

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Speaker 4: Straws are great. Straws are great. Just smoothie with the

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Speaker 4: freaking straw smoothie.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so many minerals and vitamins in there.

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Speaker 5: We'd be running lines constantly in the makeup trailer. Remember

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Speaker 5: we have actors come in that weren't getting their makeup

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Speaker 7: The music's playing. The music is very important and making

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Speaker 4: Yes, there is hugely music playing in a hair and

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Speaker 4: it's like, not only are you a genius visionary in

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Speaker 4: terms of visual abilities, but you have to be a DJ.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, listen, you have to be a DJ. You have

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Speaker 6: to be a brother therapist. You have to be a therapist.

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Speaker 6: You have to be like an emotional support human for

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we could get you one of those bibs that

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Speaker 6: Yes, this is the part that nobody trains you for.

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Speaker 6: You know, like, you could go to the best school,

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Speaker 6: so that I can do my job. There's something you

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Speaker 6: need to feel free to speak, you're going to need

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Speaker 6: lot of trust and professionalism that go into staffing a trailer,

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Speaker 6: because you're right, I'm not supposed to know like eighty

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Speaker 6: percent of the things.

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Speaker 3: I know.

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Speaker 6: You know, you're just there holding the space for someone.

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Speaker 2: You're in a lock box, right, Oh yeah.

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Speaker 4: But I think what's interesting is you started to talking

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Speaker 4: How did you get into this? Like, what was your

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Speaker 4: path to this career?

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure if very many Spaniards come to Hollywood

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Speaker 2: and become top awarded makeup artists, but maybe I'm wrong.

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Speaker 4: How the fuck did you get here?

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Speaker 6: But I was born in sixty seven, which means that

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Speaker 6: And so what happened was I found a lot of

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Speaker 6: This one time I rented Oh, I was obsessed with

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Speaker 6: But I loved the movie so much that, under false

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Speaker 3: It to Hollywood for a couple of reasons.

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Speaker 6: And I didn't come out to anyone until I moved

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Speaker 6: And so I mean I came at nineteen, but I

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Speaker 6: And then I came to my mom at twenty one,

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Speaker 3: What does that look like?

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Speaker 6: And when you take care of your authenticity when you're

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Speaker 6: of course wanted me to go to college, which I

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Speaker 2: Nice where did you go, well, I went to.

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Speaker 7: You kidding?

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Speaker 3: I didn't speak English.

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Speaker 6: I didn't speak English like nothing, I literally, I mean

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Speaker 4: So, and you didn't speak the language, but you managed

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Speaker 3: Hell?

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Speaker 6: Well, honestly, this is almost embarrassing.

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Speaker 4: Because awesome, go for it, right, No, it's just.

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Speaker 6: That I was renting a room from a Spanish professor

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Speaker 3: Photography, drawing, and our history. I was really good at

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Speaker 4: All terrific tools.

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Speaker 7: Right for being a creative makeup artist.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, but you know when you're nineteen and you have

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Speaker 6: You just don't you experience acceleration. You are like, are

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Speaker 2: I'm out, I'm out of here. I'm got out.

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Speaker 6: I get to wipe the cafeteria tables as my job.

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, hell yes, Are those some of the things you did?

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Speaker 6: I applied for a job in the cafeteria and I had.

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Speaker 3: To wear this polo that was really bad.

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Speaker 4: I'm not wearing that polo. It boiled down to fashion,

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Speaker 7: Wow.

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Speaker 5: Well, look at you, now, you gotta Oscar Now, so

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Speaker 5: all that that's right? Were you doing makeup stuff throughout Sergio,

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Speaker 6: Yes, because I also I have a huge love of photography,

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Speaker 4: Everybody did come on, yeah, you know, like.

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Speaker 2: I truly never did that, so I missed the boat.

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Speaker 2: I didn't do that I bet Giermo did gearma to do.

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Speaker 6: It's so cool, right, you were so edgy. Yeah, like,

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, and I love doing that. And before I

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Speaker 6: In England, my English was really really terrible.

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Speaker 4: But who could understand anybody?

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Speaker 6: No, But when I was in Oxford, I my friends,

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Speaker 6: I would do the styling, so I kind of always

442
00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:57,960
Speaker 6: did that. When I moved to La I started photographing

443
00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:02,320
Speaker 6: dance students, like students who needed headshots and didn't have

444
00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:05,919
Speaker 6: the money, and because I didn't have a studio, I

445
00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:09,399
Speaker 6: would take them to the beach because I figure that

446
00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:13,360
Speaker 6: at sunset, that magic hour light is better than any

447
00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:17,199
Speaker 6: makeup foundation you could possibly have, So in black and

448
00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:21,560
Speaker 6: white with that magic light, it's perfect. They yeah, yeah,

449
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:23,240
Speaker 6: they got the job, They got the job.

450
00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:27,960
Speaker 2: How did production happen for you? Like, how did photography

451
00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:31,040
Speaker 2: and make up and studies turn into how did you

452
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:31,960
Speaker 2: get onto a set?

453
00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:35,280
Speaker 6: My first job gosh, I don't have to think about

454
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:37,040
Speaker 6: this in so long, but my first job in the

455
00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:39,320
Speaker 6: industry actually was a driver.

456
00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:41,040
Speaker 3: I was I started transportation.

457
00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:45,399
Speaker 2: My god, I'm dead.

458
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:47,800
Speaker 4: Did you know how to drive?

459
00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:52,800
Speaker 3: I did go to the DMV in still I don't remember,

460
00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:53,600
Speaker 3: but I did.

461
00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:53,920
Speaker 4: I did.

462
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:56,120
Speaker 3: I think I got my driver lessons that twenty one,

463
00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:56,920
Speaker 3: So it was all good.

464
00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:00,560
Speaker 6: But I was working at a fitness studio, like at

465
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:03,800
Speaker 6: the reception, and then, you know, it was not a

466
00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:04,520
Speaker 6: great situation.

467
00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 3: I lost that job.

468
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:09,800
Speaker 6: You know, I think the owner was a little shady

469
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:12,240
Speaker 6: and I wasn't responding to him, so I think anyway,

470
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:15,040
Speaker 6: he let me go. And so in the weekend that

471
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:17,199
Speaker 6: I was sort of like free, I went to this

472
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:21,040
Speaker 6: party and I met this person who happened to be

473
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:23,879
Speaker 6: a transportation coordinator, and he said, well, if you have

474
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:25,679
Speaker 6: a car and you need a job, come, you know,

475
00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:28,080
Speaker 6: be on the corner of Willoughby and whatever on Monday

476
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:31,600
Speaker 6: morning at seven, And it was to drive for the movie.

477
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:36,840
Speaker 3: Are you ready? House Party two? No, House Party two? Yes, Betsy,

478
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:40,520
Speaker 3: Oh my god, So I'm there.

479
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 6: This was actually one of the most informative observational experiences

480
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:47,720
Speaker 6: I've ever done. I was exactly what he told me

481
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:49,639
Speaker 6: to be at exactly the time he told me to be.

482
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,640
Speaker 6: But the setting up of the bit of the base

483
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:55,439
Speaker 6: camp was starting to happen right like that. Actually that

484
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,920
Speaker 6: early morning activity. This is my first time in a set.

485
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:02,959
Speaker 6: I've never been. I don't know who anybody or what

486
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:06,000
Speaker 6: they do. But I stood there for about an hour

487
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 6: watching it sort of come to life, and really quickly

488
00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:14,960
Speaker 6: understood that the pas were getting bullied and abused every day.

489
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 3: Like I knew that right away.

490
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:20,400
Speaker 6: I saw this young girl running this way with four

491
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 6: cups of coffee running this way for seventeen binders, running

492
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:25,439
Speaker 6: that sweating, crying whatever.

493
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 2: I was like, oh my, for everyone listening who doesn't know,

494
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,560
Speaker 2: a PA is a production assistant, and they are.

495
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:34,680
Speaker 6: They are the foundation of this business.

496
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:35,600
Speaker 7: They really are.

497
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,360
Speaker 2: But they are what some would are you the lowest

498
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:39,120
Speaker 2: on the totem pole.

499
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:41,360
Speaker 4: It's like being a waitress, a waitress from hell.

500
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:46,440
Speaker 6: Yeah that's right, yes, yes, yes, So just to make

501
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 6: a little bit of a left turn.

502
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:50,400
Speaker 3: By the way, I always say that the.

503
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:53,600
Speaker 6: Most important job in a set that affects my job

504
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:55,959
Speaker 6: is the PA that runs based campaign.

505
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:57,760
Speaker 2: Oh definitely, your day.

506
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,959
Speaker 3: Is just not the same if that person and doesn't

507
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:01,560
Speaker 3: have it together.

508
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 5: I mean, they're in charge of getting you the actor

509
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 5: in your chair at the right time.

510
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:08,200
Speaker 2: And also getting you all the information of what's happening

511
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:08,679
Speaker 2: on stat of.

512
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 3: The information exactly.

513
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:12,879
Speaker 6: If they're really good, they're going to tell you the

514
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 6: order of the first three shots. Right, we're going to

515
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:17,359
Speaker 6: do and over the shoulder, we're going to turn around,

516
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:20,200
Speaker 6: we're going to close in, boom done. I know exactly

517
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 6: what it isn't a priority when you tell me what

518
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 6: the shot is, I don't have to waste my time

519
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:27,240
Speaker 6: touching up the wrong actor, right, you know what I mean.

520
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 6: But if you tell me super wide, I'm not going

521
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:32,800
Speaker 6: to touch up anybody, there's no lass looks, go for it.

522
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,679
Speaker 4: And so for people who don't necessarily know all the

523
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:37,919
Speaker 4: ins and outs of how a show or a set works,

524
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 4: so base camp very often is where everybody's getting ready

525
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:43,160
Speaker 4: and all the trucks are parked and the whole nine

526
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:46,880
Speaker 4: yards and nine times out of ten, wherever you're filming

527
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 4: isn't at base camp, right, So you have to figure

528
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:52,680
Speaker 4: out a way to get the actors and the peoples

529
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 4: to the place you're filming, be at a stage or

530
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 4: be at a location, which is why all that timing

531
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,680
Speaker 4: is so important, right, Serge. I mean, it's like you've

532
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,120
Speaker 4: got this really hard job when you're on set because

533
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 4: you only have a limited amount of time to fix

534
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 4: any issue that's going on, or else everything stops. And

535
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:13,119
Speaker 4: when everything stops, then everybody starts to get pissy because

536
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 4: it's costing money. So it's a whole delicate, crazy ass dance.

537
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 4: So you have to do it.

538
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 3: Really is, it really really is.

539
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 6: And the thing is there are two forces here that

540
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 6: work against each other. One of them is the training.

541
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 6: We have received, which basically I think it's a little

542
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:33,719
Speaker 6: bit outdated. This thing that we need to do a

543
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 6: complete touch up every single time that the cameras stop

544
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:43,160
Speaker 6: rolling like that is crazy, unsustainable, unrealistic, crazy, And so

545
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:47,880
Speaker 6: it becomes a thing about very individual Like if I'm

546
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 6: in charge of you for a scene, Katie, and I

547
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 6: look at you and I'm like, you look great, even

548
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:53,719
Speaker 6: though I haven't touched you for twenty minutes.

549
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:56,119
Speaker 3: I don't have the need to touch you.

550
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:58,639
Speaker 6: But let's say that I'm working with an actor or

551
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:02,439
Speaker 6: actress that I know that if I just do a

552
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:06,200
Speaker 6: little powder or the motion of powder. How many times

553
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 6: have I touched people up with nothing on my puff?

554
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 5: There's always that one actor who's like, you better touch

555
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 5: me up.

556
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 7: No matter what.

557
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 2: Actors are so cuckoo about this stuff. It's so weird.

558
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:23,440
Speaker 6: I love knowing everybody's idiot secrecies, you know, like because

559
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,160
Speaker 6: there are some actors that just need that last look

560
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:29,680
Speaker 6: or the even just making eye contact with you, and

561
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 6: they know that.

562
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 7: Okay, then you check them and they're good.

563
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,359
Speaker 6: Something becomes easier they can drop something off.

564
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love that. I love I think it's because

565
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 3: you know, I'm a codependent person. But I love.

566
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 6: I love facilitating that I can do something so that

567
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 6: you can do your job.

568
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 3: Well.

569
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 6: It's amazing, right, And so that's why I appreciate the

570
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 6: basic MPAs because them doing their jobs is making my

571
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 6: job so much easier, you know, when they're good.

572
00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, so hold on, you're a driver, you see that

573
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 2: PAS might not be for you. Is this how we

574
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 2: get into makeup?

575
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 5: No?

576
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 3: You know.

577
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 6: What I realized though, is like you need to treat

578
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 6: those people.

579
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 3: Well.

580
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 6: That was the thing for me always. If I have

581
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 6: the privilege to have come all the way from Spain

582
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 6: to do this and I am here and I am

583
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 6: doing it, i am here, I feel so privileged that

584
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 6: what I want to preserve is my joy. I want

585
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 6: to preserve the joy that I have for my job,

586
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 6: and that is threatened every single day, you know, by

587
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 6: outside forces and outside.

588
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 3: Stresses, you know.

589
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 6: And so for me, it all became about how do

590
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 6: I become just a happy human being that gets to

591
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 6: do what they love to do for a living, you know,

592
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 6: And so I've always taken care of that. My mental

593
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 6: health hugely important. I understood that this could be a

594
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 6: monster that could eat your life if you were not

595
00:29:55,720 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 6: careful and so from driving I learned so so much

596
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 6: about life on set and base camp and what so

597
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 6: many departments do because as transport I would have to

598
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 6: run errands for makeup, and I would have to run

599
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 6: errands for a wardrobe or for the director or get

600
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 6: us movie from whatever, you know, like all of this stuff,

601
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 6: and it was incredible. It was incredibly valuable for me

602
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 6: because it allows you to develop respect for all these

603
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 6: other departments that are working around you, what a hard

604
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 6: day looks like for them as opposed to what it

605
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 6: looks like for you, and just have that kind of empathy.

606
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 6: That's what makes you. I think it makes you a

607
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 6: great leader. Eventually, from transportation, I would just get hired

608
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 6: by this guy and Griffith was his name, and he

609
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 6: would hire me different movies, so sometimes I would be

610
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,239
Speaker 6: driving the director would just be the director's driver. So

611
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 6: he put me in a movie with a director named

612
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 6: Bill Duke, African American director lovely man, and I did

613
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 6: like three movies with him, and one of the movies

614
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 6: I did with him starred Jeff Goblum.

615
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 4: Oh my god, amazing.

616
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 6: Jeff Goblum was getting rid to do a movie in

617
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 6: Spain and so my boss, the director, Bill, said to him,

618
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 6: you know Surgious from Spain. You should take him with

619
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 6: you as your driver, you know.

620
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 3: So he did, he did, Yes, he did.

621
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 4: Okay, So, by the way, that's a movie Sergio and

622
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 4: Jeff Goldbloom Spain.

623
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 3: I have so many stories, you guys. You know.

624
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 6: We went to Spain, and something nobody knew is that

625
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 6: I had actually never.

626
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 3: Driven in Spain. Never.

627
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh.

628
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 6: I couldn't say that to anybody, because I mean, I

629
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 6: wanted the job, so I said yes, yeah. And also

630
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 6: I found out that we not only had to drive

631
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 6: in Madrid, we had to also drive in Barcelona, and

632
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 6: we had to drive to Barcelona.

633
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 3: So what I did, and listen for those of you

634
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 3: out there.

635
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 6: Who are listening, who are beginning your careers, perhaps because

636
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 6: this is how creative you have to be, I could

637
00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 6: not be found out that I did not know how

638
00:31:59,960 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 6: to drive around Madrid way. And so what I did

639
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 6: is I would get the location for each day the

640
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 6: day before, and I would go by myself and run

641
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 6: it from my house to his hotel to the thing

642
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 6: I'm back, and I would do it a couple of times.

643
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 7: Wow smart.

644
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 6: And then so every morning, I just knew exactly where

645
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 6: I was going. Blah blah blah blah bah. Nobody ever knew.

646
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 6: In the process of filming that movie, Jeff Goldblum's co

647
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 6: star in that movie was Mimi Rodgers, and so, as

648
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 6: luck would have it, Mimi also had a driver and

649
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 6: Jeff had a driver. But Jeff never wanted to do

650
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 6: anything outside of work, never, so I would take him

651
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,239
Speaker 6: to his hotel and then I would just hang out

652
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 6: with Mimi and his.

653
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 3: And her driver, and we became really really close friends.

654
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 3: To this day, we're very close friends.

655
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 6: But when I came when when I came back from

656
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 6: working on that movie, Mimi called me and said, you know,

657
00:32:57,560 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 6: I just lost my assistant.

658
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 3: Do you have any intro on being my assistant? And

659
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 3: so I said, of course, you know.

660
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 6: Wow, a different turn, a different job in the industry,

661
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 6: yet another level of the industry.

662
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 2: The story is wild. Sergio.

663
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 6: So I worked for her for three years. She is

664
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 6: absolutely amazing. I love her so so much. But it

665
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 6: was her who gave me that final push. She said

666
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 6: to me, Sergia, I love you. I would keep you

667
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 6: here forever, but it is obvious to me that what

668
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 6: you have to do is do makeups. You need to

669
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 6: go out there and do makeup. And so I got

670
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 6: this book that was like a guide to how to

671
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 6: become a makeup artisan in Hollywood. I remember lots of resources,

672
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 6: including schools, and so I found the best school, which

673
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 6: at the time was Joe Blasco. It was so expensive,

674
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 6: so expensive. It was like seven thousand dollars back in

675
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 6: nineteen ninety five or whatever.

676
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 3: Wow, that would have been so much now, wow, so

677
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 3: much money.

678
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 6: And so I called my grandmother and I said, can

679
00:33:58,640 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 6: I borrow this money?

680
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 3: She said yes. Wow.

681
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 6: After I graduated. Okay, wait, hold on you guys, I graduated.

682
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,800
Speaker 6: This is such a funny story. It was from eight

683
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 6: to four every day, four months, three months or something

684
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:11,879
Speaker 6: like that.

685
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:12,399
Speaker 3: Eight to four.

686
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 6: But then there was a lab from four to six

687
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 6: every day that was voluntary. I was there every day

688
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,279
Speaker 6: until the very end of lab because I loved it.

689
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:25,760
Speaker 3: I was devouring it. This was my dream as a child.

690
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 6: I used to hide myself with my sister's dolls in

691
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 6: the bathroom and give the makeovers. I'm like, this was like,

692
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 6: this was show in me that I finally was here

693
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 6: with a teacher that was a makeup artist in Hollywood

694
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 6: just for me four to six every day, two hours

695
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 6: where I just got to take it all in. It

696
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 6: was so amazing for me.

697
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 4: Wow, Sergio.

698
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:54,799
Speaker 6: And so on the day of graduation, I've never come

699
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 6: to like American school, so I really don't know how

700
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 6: the order is or the process of graduate or whatever.

701
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,919
Speaker 6: But anyway, they were like selecting different people, saying their names,

702
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 6: and they would come up and get the diploma. But

703
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,800
Speaker 6: then they started talking about this person in the class

704
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 6: that had worked so hard, had done.

705
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 3: Such an amazing job.

706
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 6: Blah blah blah, and I started getting like a ball

707
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:21,360
Speaker 6: of pain in my stomach of jealousy. I was like,

708
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:25,719
Speaker 6: who the fuck is this person? I worked so hard too,

709
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:27,839
Speaker 6: but I was so threatened all of a sudden until

710
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 6: they mentioned my name.

711
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 3: It was me. It was me, this person they were

712
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 3: talking about.

713
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

714
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 3: Oh so I.

715
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:38,280
Speaker 6: Graduated number one of that class.

716
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,880
Speaker 3: Wow, wow, which was great.

717
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 2: I just think it's so inspiring because I talked to

718
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 2: so many young people trying to get in this business

719
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 2: and they feel like there's supposed to study and it

720
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 2: just happens and it doesn't Like I too, was working

721
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:56,360
Speaker 2: all my side hustle jobs until my late late twenties,

722
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:58,839
Speaker 2: you know, like it took ten years of that sort

723
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 2: of hustle before I even really call myself a working actor.

724
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:05,400
Speaker 3: You know. Yeah.

725
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 6: One of the things that I think it's a mistake

726
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:13,240
Speaker 6: that we keep making Hollywood is in reality, your career

727
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 6: shouldn't look like anybody else's. You know, It's okay to

728
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 6: get inspired by someone, you know, but I think one

729
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 6: mistake that we make is that we're constantly comparing ourselves

730
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 6: a trajectory with you know, whatever high point somebody else

731
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,840
Speaker 6: might have had in their career, when in reality, you

732
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 6: get a much better gift if you've become curious about

733
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 6: how you can have this career for yourself.

734
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 4: I guess that makes total sense. And actually it's true

735
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 4: on the producing end when you pick projects, because I

736
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 4: think what a lot of people do is they just

737
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 4: try to do something which was successful in another realm exactly.

738
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:50,319
Speaker 4: And yes, it's the same sort of thing where it's like,

739
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 4: the one thing we don't ever want to do. I

740
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 4: don't want to do is what I did before. So

741
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 4: it's not a determinant that it was successful for somebody else.

742
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 4: It's just this is something that speaks to you. So

743
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 4: it's the same thing we all have. These were blueprints

744
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 4: in our lives that you think, well, this is the

745
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:07,919
Speaker 4: way so and so did it, or this is the path.

746
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 4: But this is a perfect example. There's no straight path.

747
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 6: There is no straight path. And by the way, your

748
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 6: definition of success might be completely different from my.

749
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 3: Exactly, you know.

750
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:22,359
Speaker 6: And that's one of the things that we were talking

751
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 6: about during the Oscar campaign.

752
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 3: Because obviously it was such a big deal.

753
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:28,799
Speaker 6: I mean such a big deal to get nominate it

754
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,800
Speaker 6: and too, I mean, the whole process was is so insane.

755
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:35,840
Speaker 6: But everybody was asking me, what does it feel like

756
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 6: to have achieved a dream? And I'm like, I achieved

757
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:44,840
Speaker 6: my dream like thirty years ago. You know, when I

758
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 6: achieved my dream thirty years ago. This is awesome and

759
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 6: I'm so proud and I'm so happy to get here.

760
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 6: But this changes nothing, nothing for me. I mean, if

761
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:59,280
Speaker 6: I'm taking my cues from what's around me, I need,

762
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:01,879
Speaker 6: you know, of one hundred thousand followers I need, blah

763
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 6: blah blah, I need more nominations I need And the

764
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 6: truth is none of those things signify success for me.

765
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:12,959
Speaker 6: Success is for me that I do what I love

766
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:15,319
Speaker 6: to do. I love every I do every day what

767
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 6: I would do for free.

768
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 2: I so feel like that.

769
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 6: You know, and how lucky and so. But I can't

770
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 6: be paying attention to what this other makeup artist is

771
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 6: doing without a makeup because it's impossible and it's also

772
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:28,760
Speaker 6: not fair.

773
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's a waste of time.

774
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, total waste of time.

775
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 6: And I continue to be successful every single time I

776
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:36,360
Speaker 6: choose my truth.

777
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:37,359
Speaker 3: That's it.

778
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 7: We'll be right back, guys, Sergio.

779
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 5: Would your sisters ever wake up in the morning and

780
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 5: go to their barbies and be like, my Barbie looks fierce.

781
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 7: And you were like did it?

782
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 3: It would be like who gave my Barbie a mohawk?

783
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:58,279
Speaker 6: Because I used to think that the hair will grow

784
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:00,439
Speaker 6: back obviously, right, I mean like, oh.

785
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:02,319
Speaker 4: And apparently you didn't have the Barbie with the little

786
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:03,400
Speaker 4: hole in the head where it.

787
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:06,840
Speaker 6: Just what No, this was no, these were the early

788
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 6: barbies I had those two, I mean, no, help y.

789
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:13,479
Speaker 6: One thing I have to say, this is a big

790
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 6: part of my story as a child, is that do

791
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 6: you guys remember in America, you guys had the Barbie

792
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 6: heads that were like three dimensional, yes, right, just the head. Well,

793
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:26,880
Speaker 6: in Spain there was a version of that doll, but

794
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:29,360
Speaker 6: it was bigger. It was actually kind of like life size,

795
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:32,399
Speaker 6: and the bus was like, you know, like shoulders right,

796
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:36,839
Speaker 6: And her name was Gwendolen and somebody had given that

797
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 6: doll to one of my sisters.

798
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 3: I had three sisters, and at.

799
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 6: This point, at the point that I was, you know,

800
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:43,799
Speaker 6: waking up to the fact that I loved makeup and

801
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,319
Speaker 6: I needed to put makeup and draw and sketch and

802
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:49,799
Speaker 6: do be an artists or whatever, I found this abandoned

803
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:53,759
Speaker 6: doll on top of my sister's murphy bed and I

804
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 6: had to devise a plan on how I was going

805
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 6: to get that doll in the bathroom when I took

806
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 6: a shower, because I share a bathroom with my sisters,

807
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 6: two of them are teenagers, there's already all kinds of

808
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 6: makeup crap in the bathroom and everything, and I need it.

809
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 7: I need it.

810
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:09,839
Speaker 3: I needed to do it. I just needed to do it.

811
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,919
Speaker 6: But the thing is, I am in a family back

812
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:18,760
Speaker 6: to early seventies Franco Catholicism.

813
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, my family is super religious, like.

814
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 6: It's everything is an obstacle, everything is an impossibility. So

815
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 6: I had to I had to figure out when is

816
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:33,280
Speaker 6: the moment or all of my family is in one room.

817
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:36,320
Speaker 6: So that was Saturday nights when we were all watching

818
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:40,399
Speaker 6: movies or TV together. So I would excuse myself, very

819
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 6: responsible for me, and say I'm gonna take a shower.

820
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 6: And so what I would do first, I would go

821
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:47,760
Speaker 6: into my sister's bedroom, which was adjacent to the bathroom,

822
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 6: sharing the wall or a facade of the building with

823
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:53,320
Speaker 6: the bathroom, and I would unlock their window and I

824
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:55,279
Speaker 6: would run out again, and I was like, okay, bye,

825
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:57,800
Speaker 6: I'm going to the bathroom. I locked myself in the bathroom,

826
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 6: crawl out the window and they'll go like this on

827
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:03,800
Speaker 6: the side of the building.

828
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 3: Ye, I mean my sister's bedroom.

829
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:12,399
Speaker 6: Crawl inside, God, take it out, put it under my arm.

830
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:14,839
Speaker 6: Now I was like eight years old, so like this

831
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:16,320
Speaker 6: doll was pretty big.

832
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 4: Definitely the size of you.

833
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, wow, definitely.

834
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:22,800
Speaker 6: And so I would go back to the bathroom window,

835
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:26,840
Speaker 6: crawl back inside and start my makeovers. And then I

836
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 6: had to clean her all up and go back out

837
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 6: and put her back.

838
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:32,799
Speaker 3: Before the movie ended. And you know what I mean.

839
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, and you guys, I did this for years whow years.

840
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 5: Gwendolen can talk the stories that she would have, Oh.

841
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 4: So talking about learning how to work with a time schedule.

842
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:51,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's great for production. You're like, no kidding, this

843
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:55,400
Speaker 2: is nothing, this is so true. Wow, great for production.

844
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:58,759
Speaker 3: I never even thought about it. I should have made

845
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:05,280
Speaker 3: my own call sheets. You should because you feel like, yes.

846
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 4: I don't have to resk my life and limb, I

847
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:08,360
Speaker 4: just have to apparently get her out every five minutes problem.

848
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 3: But the end of this story.

849
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 6: One day I decided, because I had seen it out

850
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 6: in some music video or something, that I wanted to

851
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 6: give her super glossy, super red lips. Right, that was

852
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 6: my design for the evening, And so my sisters had

853
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 6: a lip glass. I was red the same deal, go out,

854
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 6: pick it up, come back in by this glass.

855
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 3: Obviously you put it on plastic.

856
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 6: And he doesn't have the same. It didn't tint it.

857
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 6: It was like, oh, it's shiny, but it's not. It's

858
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 6: not doing what I want to do. And then I

859
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:44,840
Speaker 6: spotted red male.

860
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 3: Polish, like, so I just put I.

861
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 6: Did the most beautiful red lips in this lacquer red right,

862
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:57,280
Speaker 6: oh shit, And I'm like, oh my gosh, so beautiful,

863
00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 6: blah blah blah blah. Of course, when I the time

864
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 6: cleanup came, it didn't come off, and I'm like, oh shit,

865
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:07,840
Speaker 6: oh this requires nail polish remover. So I got the

866
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 6: nail polish remover and I went like this, and then

867
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:11,439
Speaker 6: I just.

868
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:11,920
Speaker 3: It came off.

869
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 6: And then I just went like that and I kind

870
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 6: of like cleaning her whole face and I took.

871
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 3: Off all of her features. I took her everything.

872
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 2: Oh my god, she was just so faceless. She was

873
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 2: just like faceless man.

874
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:26,240
Speaker 3: Yeah.

875
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 6: And it was the saddest, most heartbreaking thing. And I

876
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 6: had to put her back and never play with her.

877
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:33,359
Speaker 2: A cat.

878
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 3: On her?

879
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 4: What the fuck happened to Gwendolen?

880
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 3: Like?

881
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 4: Who wiped off her face?

882
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 6: I put her back the way she was, which was

883
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 6: kind of like on top of that murphy bed, sort

884
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:44,359
Speaker 6: of behind other clutter and facing the wall.

885
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:45,880
Speaker 3: I couldn't even look at her anymore.

886
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Speaker 4: She wasn't an active plaything at that point.

887
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Speaker 5: Your sister didn't really care about her, Yeah, no, exactly.

888
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:55,239
Speaker 3: She was just like, you know, wow.

889
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 5: And then you had to butcher up, like when you

890
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:59,360
Speaker 5: were done in the bathroom, come back out and butcher

891
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Speaker 5: up with your face.

892
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Speaker 7: Family, right.

893
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Speaker 6: That little both of my chest hairs out, you know, Wow,

894
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 6: scraped by Beard, my eight year old Beard All No,

895
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Speaker 6: But I have to say that that kind of mindset

896
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Speaker 6: where you understand your environment, you understand the unfairness of

897
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Speaker 6: your environment, and you figure out how to not let

898
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Speaker 6: that environment trap you. I think that at such an

899
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Speaker 6: early age serves me so well for the rest of

900
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Speaker 6: my life and for the rest of my career, you know,

901
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Speaker 6: because when a problem presents itself, now there's also a

902
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Speaker 6: whole bunch of solutions that come together with the problem.

903
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Speaker 6: In a way, it's just a matter of being creative

904
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Speaker 6: and also being detached from the things you're attached because

905
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 6: sometimes those things have to go. Yeah, there are tools

906
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Speaker 6: that really helped.

907
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Speaker 4: I think for pretty much everybody in this business too.

908
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Speaker 4: It is that sort of idea of problem solve. It's

909
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:03,759
Speaker 4: that idea of, yeah, there's a way to figure this out.

910
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Speaker 4: But it's amazing that you were doing something at eight

911
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 4: that you went an oscar for that you you want

912
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Speaker 4: an oscar for, Gwendolyn. I mean you should have freaking

913
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Speaker 4: thanked Gwendolyn.

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Speaker 6: Just for the record, I would have, and I swear,

915
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Speaker 6: I mean, trust me. Because our oscars were during the pandemic,

916
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Speaker 6: there were rules about how many people could speak, because

917
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Speaker 6: after each speaker they had to change the ball of

918
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Speaker 6: the mic and stuff like that. So it came down

919
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 6: to us. Only one of us could speak. So it

920
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 6: was obvious, for obvious reasons, that it was not going

921
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Speaker 6: to be me.

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Speaker 4: We forgive you and go ahead blame COVID.

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Speaker 6: It's fine, but I do I think at My husband

924
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 6: wrote he was obsessed with writing my speech, right, and

925
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Speaker 6: I'm like, okay, write my speech. I'm not even sure

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Speaker 6: that I can speak, but go ahead. And it had

927
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Speaker 6: that in it, you know, it had the story of

928
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 6: like no, it was connecting the dots of this little kid, which,

929
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Speaker 6: by the way, had I fallen off of that thing,

930
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Speaker 6: I would have broken my neck. Oh my god, from

931
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Speaker 6: the window sill to the street. But I have just

932
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Speaker 6: to emphasize how dire a situation I was in, as

933
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Speaker 6: a gay boy that was just discovering that he was gay,

934
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Speaker 6: Falling off that ledge and breaking a leg and arm,

935
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Speaker 6: splitting my head open was less scary than having my

936
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Speaker 6: father running to me in the bathroom or find out

937
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Speaker 6: in any way. Absolutely, by eight years old, dying was

938
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Speaker 6: less scary than confronting my parents with the truth.

939
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Speaker 3: I mean essentially I.

940
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Speaker 4: Totally understand them. Wow, absolutely absolutely.

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Speaker 2: I just think what's also so amazing and that the relationships.

942
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Speaker 2: I mean, I first came to know you when you

943
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 2: were really on Kate Walsh, right, and you two are

944
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Speaker 2: very good friends. And you know you work so closely

945
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Speaker 2: with Viola Davis, and you did a bunch of us.

946
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:02,239
Speaker 2: I think you did Bellamy and Me and Darby and

947
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 2: a bunch of people. But these women, You're like there,

948
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Speaker 2: person like, how does this become this thing?

949
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Speaker 3: Like?

950
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Speaker 2: How do you collaborate on so many different projects with

951
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 2: these incredible leading women who are such superstars in our industry.

952
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Speaker 4: Without them all killing each other to try to make

953
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Speaker 4: sure that they don't lose you.

954
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Speaker 2: No, Sergio's mine, Sergio's my, Sergio's mine exactly.

955
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 7: Gwendolen's like he's mine.

956
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. The booming boys from Beyond the Graves. I

957
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 3: have no.

958
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Speaker 4: Features, noubt, but I.

959
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:43,880
Speaker 3: Still have feeling I used to be pretty, you know, Katie.

960
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:49,760
Speaker 6: The truth is, I go back to figuring out how

961
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 6: you want to experience your life. You may not approach

962
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:58,400
Speaker 6: what's important to you the same way as another actor might,

963
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:03,319
Speaker 6: and for me, I much more important to me is

964
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:07,400
Speaker 6: to bring my authenticity and to just try to create

965
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Speaker 6: authentic relationships with the people that I work with. And

966
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:13,320
Speaker 6: if I can't do that, I really have to seriously

967
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:15,279
Speaker 6: think about whether or not it's worth it for me

968
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Speaker 6: to have this job.

969
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Speaker 3: That's how much I value.

970
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Speaker 6: My joy When I leave Hollywood, and I'm going to

971
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Speaker 6: put a nice bow on that experience. I wanted to

972
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Speaker 6: really be something I'm very proud of. I constantly want

973
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Speaker 6: to honor my inner child because he had it really tough,

974
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 6: and he had no one to talk to, there were

975
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 6: no allies for him. The fact that I was able

976
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:41,959
Speaker 6: to do this, And so when I work with Viola,

977
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Speaker 6: I think I work with Viola because she and I

978
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 6: connect in a level that is outside of what I

979
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Speaker 6: do for her.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 6: And also I think it's important also for her. I

982
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:54,360
Speaker 6: think she could have a better makeup artist. Probably she

983
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 6: went out there and found it, but I think she

984
00:48:57,640 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 6: values what we have and so do I.

985
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Speaker 4: And I think the fact is that I mean obviously

986
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 4: with Viola, which he's written about too.

987
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 3: And yeah, a deep, deep.

988
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 4: Well of pain, and there is something about people who

989
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:13,880
Speaker 4: understand what it means to survive and mean to figure

990
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:16,719
Speaker 4: out ways of transforming your life in the way that

991
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 4: you want.

992
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 3: But never never sacrificing yourself, and never take it for granted.

993
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 4: Because I know, certainly we were joking about this the

994
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:26,959
Speaker 4: other day, but it's like, I know, still I still

995
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:30,360
Speaker 4: go to parties and there's free food. This is sad,

996
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 4: but I still always go like, wow, the food's free.

997
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 4: And then I wait, first, sure, like I'm so lucky,

998
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:39,400
Speaker 4: Like how did I get here? And I'm like, wait

999
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 4: a second. You're five hundred years old, You've been earning

1000
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:43,920
Speaker 4: a living for five million years? What's wrong with you?

1001
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 4: But it is that thing, and I think I feel

1002
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 4: really lucky. I mean, I think that's the key.

1003
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Speaker 3: Isn't that amazing?

1004
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Speaker 6: I mean, I think tupping into that gratitude is fuel.

1005
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:57,359
Speaker 6: It doesn't end when you stop saying the thing you're

1006
00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 6: grateful for. That thing you're grateful for. You say it

1007
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:02,719
Speaker 6: out loud, and the first person to hear it is you.

1008
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 6: And I'm telling you that fuel for the next time.

1009
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Speaker 6: The next time you're in a situation, your awareness is

1010
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:11,719
Speaker 6: going to lead you to the gratitude and over and

1011
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:14,360
Speaker 6: over and over and over again until you string together

1012
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 6: this incredible life of having been present, having been authentic

1013
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:25,439
Speaker 6: and I don't know, just joyful. You know, my career

1014
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:28,400
Speaker 6: in Hollywood fits my life and not the other way around.

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Speaker 2: Sergio, there is a book that we all need. I'm

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00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 2: super excited about it. Yeah, I mean, I'm sure people listening,

1017
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:39,719
Speaker 2: whatever your careers may be, I just feel like so

1018
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 2: many of the things you say can be so useful

1019
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 2: no matter what job you're trying.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it is truly a privilege to work in this industry,

1021
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 6: even though it has changed so much it's almost unrecognizable.

1022
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 6: It's brutal. And the things that this industry has taught

1023
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 6: us to value is how to work when you have

1024
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:03,480
Speaker 6: a one hundred for fever, how to sacrifice your sleep

1025
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:06,800
Speaker 6: for work, sacrifice your family for work, sacrifice your diet

1026
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 6: for work, sacrifice your mobility for work, and praising everybody

1027
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 6: that was able to do that. I'm sure you guys

1028
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:15,759
Speaker 6: know hundreds of stories of like can you imagine she

1029
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:18,920
Speaker 6: works with a fever? And the truth is that is

1030
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:21,799
Speaker 6: not good. That is not good because what it does

1031
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:25,440
Speaker 6: it removes our ability to be actual humans. You know,

1032
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:28,960
Speaker 6: it's a double edged sword because yes, of course you

1033
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:31,239
Speaker 6: want to be an ultimate professional, but you don't want

1034
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 6: to you don't want to tell the world that it's

1035
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 6: okay to treat you this way.

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Speaker 4: Yes, no, there's there's a thin line between sacrificing for

1037
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Speaker 4: art and killing yourself, you know exactly. Yeah, that's really

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Speaker 4: well put. Well, this is what a joyous experience this

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Speaker 4: is podcast.

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Speaker 3: Gosh, that's a pleasure for me.

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much for this.

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Speaker 2: Really, we love you.

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Speaker 3: We love you guys so much.

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Speaker 2: Scandal is executive produced by Sandy Bailey, alex Alcea, Lauren Homan,

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Speaker 2: Tyler Klang, and Gabrielle Collins. Our producer and editor is

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