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Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast

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Speaker 2: Hey everyone, welcome to the Almost Says Podcast. We have

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Speaker 2: reached the end of the hd TV renovation show. The

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Speaker 2: Bachelor Mansion is now complete, guys, and we're gonna break

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Speaker 2: it all down for you. It is complete for a

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Speaker 2: season that will not air and we do not know

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Speaker 2: when the mansion will be utilized.

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Speaker 3: And spoiler alert.

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Speaker 2: Ben and I saw that first episode of Taylor's season

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Speaker 2: and it looked like they put some things back.

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Speaker 4: They did, didn't it. It did kind of seem like

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Speaker 4: that to me.

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Speaker 3: They did.

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Speaker 2: They put the candle wall back distinctively, I don't. And

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Speaker 2: I remember seeing the mural the one that kitchen for

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Speaker 2: the kitchen was like old.

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Speaker 3: School kitchen, right yeah, yeah, okay.

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Speaker 4: I thought they liked it. Looked there is nothing different.

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Speaker 2: I didn't love the way they made the kitchen look

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Speaker 2: like it was too modern for me. Again, like I

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Speaker 2: really wanted them to stay like rustic Spanish style.

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Speaker 4: But well, that's at the end of the episode. Let's

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Speaker 4: we got to start. At the beginning of this episode,

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Speaker 4: Dean is still around, obviously. We have four contestants. At

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Speaker 4: the beginning of this episode, we find out that they're

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Speaker 4: going to do some mystery challenge. It's the boxes come

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Speaker 4: back out to eliminate one person.

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Speaker 3: This was the worst decision they had madded the entire show.

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Speaker 4: It was. It's unfortunate. It is because, like I don't know,

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Speaker 4: I kind of feel like, now what the Dean desert.

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Speaker 4: It's kind of like the loser's bracket, right, you have

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Speaker 4: to beat the winner twice to go home, but instead

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Speaker 4: now Dean just goes home. It feels like this whole

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Speaker 4: show has been too subjective to me. There's no like,

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Speaker 4: there's no consistency in the format. Yeah, I don't understand

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Speaker 4: how people go home when they go home? Who likes what?

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Speaker 4: I mean? Half the times when the judges say something,

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Speaker 4: I'm like, I actually liked it the other way, you know.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I know.

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Speaker 2: And like you're telling me that Tammy, who was a

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Speaker 2: limited in the season, now gets to come back in

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Speaker 2: because of a challenge. Yeah, and now Dean gets to

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Speaker 2: be eliminated and get hurt. She gets to defeat him,

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Speaker 2: and he gets to be eliminated by like a game challenge,

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Speaker 2: like a puzzle challenge, like a memory game. It was

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Speaker 2: a memory game. Yeah, it doesn't make any sense. It

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Speaker 2: has nothing to do with their craft.

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Speaker 4: I think when this show was announced, you and I

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Speaker 4: both were very excited for it. It has so much potential.

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Speaker 4: And there's a few things during this episode I love.

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Speaker 4: There's a few things about the season I loved. There's

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Speaker 4: other things that really frustrated me. One of the things

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Speaker 4: that frustrated me was it felt like I was trying

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Speaker 4: to play catch up throughout the whole season. I don't

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Speaker 4: I never knew why people were going home. I sometimes

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Speaker 4: didn't agree with the judge's decision making on what they

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Speaker 4: liked and didn't like. And then when it comes down

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Speaker 4: to this moment, the climax, the biggest moment one of

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Speaker 4: the season, all of a sudden, somebody goes home based

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Speaker 4: on a memory game that has nothing to do with

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Speaker 4: this skill set of.

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Speaker 3: Design, right, Like, why that makes no sense?

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Speaker 2: But we have to get over it, because that's just

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Speaker 2: how it happens. And is really a shame that you

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Speaker 2: and I lost our you know, we lost our friend

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Speaker 2: Dean over it in this competition.

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Speaker 4: I don't know the other two. I don't know him,

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Speaker 4: so I can't even say but like, it's not even

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Speaker 4: losing Dean Ashley. I mean, it's more fair every week.

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Speaker 4: I felt like this has kind of happened where it's like, wait, whoa,

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Speaker 4: now somebody else is going home and anyways.

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Speaker 2: Anyways, I guess you know what, we could twist it

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Speaker 2: because Dean won that first challenge on episode one, he

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Speaker 2: got the community and then he ended up creating the

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Speaker 2: Santorini Room, which he would have definitely been eliminated for.

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Speaker 4: He would have probably is it was it that bad?

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Speaker 3: The Santorinni room was just not that good?

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Speaker 4: Okay?

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Speaker 2: Okay, So let's see, after this challenge, the three of them,

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Speaker 2: which is Noah, Sam, and Tammy are going to all

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Speaker 2: redo another room that has been They're going to redo

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Speaker 2: a room that's already been redone a room. Well, I

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Speaker 2: guess Tammy's wasn't, so that was kind of weird too.

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Speaker 2: So Sam gets to make edits to the Santorini room,

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Speaker 2: which obviously makes sense. The season really couldn't have been

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Speaker 2: this is distracting to this scene. Then there were definitely

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Speaker 3: What's the room that they call that. I like to

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Speaker 2: The gathering room, So that room had some inconsistencies because

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Speaker 3: So I understood why Noah was taking that over.

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Speaker 2: And I'm glad that Noah got that project because no

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Speaker 2: it did such a good job in that room with

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Speaker 2: that marble backdrop. They said that they want to like

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Speaker 2: a shelf in this scene. And he definitely fixed the

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Speaker 3: They said Joan put too money textures in one area.

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Speaker 2: So he cleaned that up and he also added better

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Speaker 2: two couches in. They were like smaller feeling couches, and

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Speaker 2: we definitely need that an area for the whole group

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Speaker 2: to fit in. So I liked all of those fixes

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Speaker 2: like the entrance away of the foyer, it was kind

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Speaker 2: of weird that she got to just do something fresh

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Speaker 3: What'd you think about that?

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Speaker 4: Agreed?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like what she got like a fresh slate and

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Speaker 2: all she's gonna do is really paint the walls. I

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Speaker 2: didn't love the white again didn't stick to me with

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Speaker 4: Is it Spanish style anymore?

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Speaker 2: I don't know that's what it is now. It's just confused.

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Speaker 2: Now the house is just confused. The bones are rusted,

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Speaker 2: Spanish style Mediterranean and then we have some elements of modern.

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Speaker 4: Modern with a mix of like Mediterranean with it. I mean, Ashley,

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Speaker 4: then like, what are we doing? I don't know.

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Speaker 3: But the wood popped.

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Speaker 2: I liked the fact that the lighter walls and it

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Speaker 2: I would have gone on something a little bit more

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Speaker 3: Of a bright white.

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Speaker 2: But she added benches and I liked the added of

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Speaker 4: There any other thoughts, I mean I thought she did Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I think she did great. I'm with you. What did

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Speaker 4: covered up some marble. You know that that mixer room

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Speaker 4: I'm taking from the show is if they're redoing the

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Speaker 4: to be. I just think there's too many like cooks

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Speaker 4: the end. I think that's probably something the producers ended

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Speaker 4: We needed to figure out how to have people in

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Speaker 4: charge making the decisions because there's there's so many individually

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Speaker 4: and none of the ideas are consistent with each other. Right.

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Speaker 4: I don't hate Jones idea. Joan had a beautiful idea,

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Speaker 4: but then mixed in with a mid century modern wall

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Speaker 4: don't like them either, So it's just what I'm saying,

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Speaker 4: it just doesn't fit right. I mean, they did some

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Speaker 4: good stuff in the house, but really what this episode

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Speaker 4: should be called is redoing everything we've done up until

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Speaker 3: They didn't touch the roads ceremony room.

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Speaker 4: They sure did for the show though, and we saw

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Speaker 4: that they sit up. Let's backtrack a little bit.

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Speaker 2: Really there, because everything is subjective, it's hard to keep

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Speaker 2: to have one person redew this room and one person

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Speaker 2: redo this room, and the winner of this room gets

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Speaker 2: to move on to the next round, that's probably would

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Speaker 2: have made the most sense if they didn't go with

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Speaker 2: a point system. But like at the end of the day,

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Speaker 2: decorating things is often subjective, so it is hard to

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Speaker 2: on something that has history to it, pop culture history

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Speaker 4: I didn't hate watching this show. I enjoyed it. I

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Speaker 4: shown and the overall judge's opinions sometimes I disagreed with.

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Speaker 4: But yet they just jumped in and whoever they liked said, hey,

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Speaker 4: your idea is the best. I mean, ultimately, like Noah

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Speaker 4: did do a great job with that room. Sam drew

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Speaker 4: the shortened like the short straw there. He had to

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Speaker 4: fix a bedroom that was tiny. What was he really

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Speaker 4: gonna do. I mean, it was mostly just necessary some

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Speaker 4: was going to be hard. You had twenty four hours.

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Speaker 4: It's like, Okay, what are we gonna do in twenty

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Speaker 4: four hours? We're gonna paint change colors?

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Speaker 3: How in the world do they paint that foyer in

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Speaker 3: twenty four hours? All the way up.

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Speaker 2: That's the magic of TV, it really is. And my

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Speaker 2: takeaway is that the best episode, the thing that truly

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Speaker 2: enhanced the mansion was the outdoor episode one the backyard

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Speaker 2: that really added things.

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Speaker 4: I would agree with that. There were some great takeaways

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Speaker 4: and everybody did step up, and it did feel like

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Speaker 4: everybody enjoyed the show. We do need to pause for

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Speaker 4: a second, though, because Sam ends up going home from this.

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Speaker 4: It's not like there's not a lot more to it.

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Speaker 4: He goes home because they chose Tammy's ideas and her

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Speaker 4: workmanship and Noah's and then we get into the like

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Speaker 4: they do bring us into the backstories at Tammy and Noah,

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Speaker 4: both of them are very vulnerable. It's obviously one hundred

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Speaker 4: thousand dollars. That's a good chunk of change. Noah shares

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Speaker 4: about how he's going through his home renovation with his

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Speaker 4: wife Abigail, and they are they would love to have

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Speaker 4: the money to finish the projects. Tammy shares about her

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Speaker 4: kind of upbringing and things decisions she made, things placed

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Speaker 4: on her, and how she would use the money to

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Speaker 4: repay back some people in her past that have helped

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Speaker 4: her out a ton. We also see that they're too

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Speaker 4: you know. Well, the wife and the boyfriend come back

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Speaker 4: to support them. Here's where I think like the major

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Speaker 4: talking point of the episode exists is Noah's open up

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Speaker 4: about his mom. We had an idea that he got

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Speaker 2: Well, we knew that there was a family something going on,

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Speaker 4: I think in any house where you walk through one

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Hey, how's your house?

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Speaker 4: How's your house?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Does yours have cohesiveness? Mine certainly doesn't.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I have a color theme. I like greens. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: But if I'm honest, Ashley, this was a good show.

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Speaker 4: It was it was. It was a good idea. I

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Speaker 2: Well, it's starting to become do you know that we're

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Speaker 4: Okay, see you and I as judges, how would we

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Speaker 2: Rachel Wilson not part of either family, just a friend

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Speaker 4: Shockingly, I did not notice, So I can't even make

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Speaker 4: fun watching this back Ashley is seeing all these people

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Noah's your winner. Tammy ends up in second place.

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Speaker 4: We don't know if she gets a thing other than

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Speaker 2: Once you get down to it, you know, when you're

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Speaker 2: Like it's probably not going to be me. Right When

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Speaker 3: Oh oh that's painful.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it hurts. It should hurt. But well

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Speaker 4: I'm still getting through a cold. I'm like very much

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Speaker 3: Seconds for welcome to my pregnancy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Remember how like I couldn't.

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Speaker 2: Breathe and like I would hic up every five seconds,

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Speaker 2: that's never happening.

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Speaker 4: Let's get you pregnant again.

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Speaker 3: Oh good lord.

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Speaker 2: All right, guys, it's been us, it's been Ashley, and

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Speaker 2: it's been Ben, and we'll.

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Speaker 4: Talk to you later.

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