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Speaker 1: Hello, Hello, Hi, Hi everybody, Welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the brand new year of the show. We're back.

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Speaker 1: Happy New Year, live in large. Happy New Year, everybody.

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Speaker 1: I hope it was a blast and safe and sound

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Speaker 1: and fun than that. You weren't out and a crowded

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Speaker 1: streets somewhere washing a ball drop. I think most of

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Speaker 1: those got canceled. I don't know. I never understood the

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Speaker 1: appeal anyway. Not a big not a big New Year's fan,

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Speaker 1: you know, like it turns midnight every night. I have

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Speaker 1: very much enjoyed New Year's parties at like friends houses. Well,

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Speaker 1: I hope everybody's having a good time. I hope everybody's

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Speaker 1: uh nailing those resolutions. You know. I was thinking about

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Speaker 1: it since our last episode when we kind of talked

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Speaker 1: a little bit about it, and if you follow me

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Speaker 1: on Twitter, yeah I already kind of talk about this.

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Speaker 1: But just stop engaging. Stop getting into it with people

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Speaker 1: who are idiots. When you see somebody post something that

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Speaker 1: pisces you off, keep on scrolling, y'all. Just go past.

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Speaker 1: There is absolutely zero, maybe even negative impact, and you're

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Speaker 1: jumping in and fighting with somebody about some dumbness. True,

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Speaker 1: it just makes people dig their heels in Wan really

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Speaker 1: does nothing gives these monsters more energy than just feeding

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Speaker 1: them food. It's fuel that they're just burning and thriving

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Speaker 1: off of. I always go back to Merlin the mini

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Speaker 1: series with Sam Neil, which is a great mini series.

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Speaker 1: If you haven't seen it, it's so good. I'm going

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Speaker 1: to tell you the end, because it's like years old,

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Speaker 1: um that the evil Queen, as you know, has all

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Speaker 1: this power, and eventually Merlin's like, hey, we've been fighting

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Speaker 1: her and fighting her, but you know what, stop paying

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Speaker 1: attention to her, just ignore her, and they all turn

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Speaker 1: her backs on her and she's like what what a

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Speaker 1: doing and tries to use her power and it doesn't

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Speaker 1: work because she doesn't have any belief. I'm telling you

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Speaker 1: that's real. That is real. You know. Our friend and

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Speaker 1: producer Ben Bolan has been saying since college that he

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Speaker 1: thought that the currency of the future would be attention. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's been saying. It's like, I don't know exactly how

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Speaker 1: the past, that eventually it's going to be essentially currency.

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Speaker 1: And I think he's kind of right already, because like

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Speaker 1: your job offers that can lead to money, you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean, Like definitely those weird Twitter as. You know,

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Speaker 1: everybody puts that weird vibrator under their viral tweet or whatever,

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Speaker 1: I know, he's like right about that. Hum And we

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Speaker 1: love attention, and we've even gotten some great attention from

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Speaker 1: you all lately. Uh. In fact, I think we have

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Speaker 1: to go into our mail bag here because I think

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Speaker 1: it's time for a mail Awesome. We got a great

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Speaker 1: message on Instagram from Taylor. She says, Hey, I have

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Speaker 1: been listening to you guys since your first episode. You

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Speaker 1: got me into podcasts, and now I listened to yours weekly.

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Speaker 1: It's given me a whole new world of learning new things.

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Speaker 1: After listening to the Chris Crow and Walnut the Crane

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Speaker 1: so happened to pass my feet on Facebook that people

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Speaker 1: still shoot bison for sport. It gave me a new

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Speaker 1: appreciation for the lives of these animals. It took a

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Speaker 1: being hunted like they are. Thank you for making me

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Speaker 1: see the world a little differently and helping me open

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Speaker 1: my mind to all the different kinds of love people

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Speaker 1: can share for each other. There. Thank you so much,

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Speaker 1: Taylor for reach. Now. That's really good to hear. What

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Speaker 1: hunting from the city of Atlanta, of course, which is

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Speaker 1: not a place you need to hunt in. The cars

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Speaker 1: much for writing in and saying those kind words. It

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Speaker 1: means so much for us when you hear, when we

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Speaker 1: hear from you, guys um and we look forward to

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Speaker 1: more wonderful messages. It makes us feel good, kind of

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Speaker 1: like today's episode might make you feel good. Because this

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Speaker 1: is the story of dash Rot Mangi, and this is

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Speaker 1: a brief but beautiful story. It's a great way to

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Speaker 1: So I say we dive right into this story of

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Speaker 1: Diana got some stories to tell. There's no match making,

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Speaker 1: of I Heart Radio our hero Today. Dash Rot Mangi

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Speaker 1: was born in four in glo Or, a small village

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Speaker 1: I don't want to go to school. So generally speaking,

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Speaker 1: of showing such love and care is so really powerful.

426
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:33,040
Speaker 1: This is I mean, this is such a raw example

427
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:36,479
Speaker 1: of two people who are dependent on each other, you know,

428
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:38,680
Speaker 1: and that's where a lot of their love comes from.

429
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,159
Speaker 1: It's just that like it's you and me, and that's it.

430
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:44,080
Speaker 1: Like with you and me and miles of desert in

431
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:47,119
Speaker 1: every direction, and no one's going to take care about

432
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:49,879
Speaker 1: either of us except for either of us, yep. And

433
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:52,960
Speaker 1: they care enough to do it. That's beautiful. So one

434
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:56,320
Speaker 1: particularly hot day in we're in nineteen fifty nine, now,

435
00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,199
Speaker 1: dash Rod lay down his load and looked to the

436
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:02,199
Speaker 1: mountain for his but he didn't see her. And he

437
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 1: waited a few minutes, but decided, you know, I gotta

438
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:07,120
Speaker 1: get back to work again. Be standing around here staring

439
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 1: all day, I got the man watched me. You got

440
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:10,919
Speaker 1: time enough to lean, You got time enough to claim that,

441
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:13,680
Speaker 1: absolutely got time enough to look for your wife. You

442
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 1: got time enough to break these rocks, all them away.

443
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 1: So he goes back to work, and he didn't really

444
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 1: understand what was taken so long, and with all the heat,

445
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 1: and he's hungry, he hasn't eaten anything, and he starts

446
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 1: to get angry angry. Yeah, and minutes. Can you imagine

447
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:36,120
Speaker 1: talking to a mussa haar person about the concept of angry.

448
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:40,920
Speaker 1: They're like, there's times when you're not hungry. Yeah, wow,

449
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 1: I'm sorry you get upset when you're hungry because that's like,

450
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:48,600
Speaker 1: I don't know, i'd be mad all the time. Yeah,

451
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,359
Speaker 1: how about get over yourself when you'd like, when you

452
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 1: need a snack? How about I get one meal a

453
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 1: day and sometimes it's a rat. So yeah, I wonder

454
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,440
Speaker 1: what the musahr would say when they saw Snickers commercial

455
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,919
Speaker 1: you're not yourself when you're hungry. Yeah, okay, send me

456
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 1: a Snicker's bar please, And right, god, oh, we're such

457
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:14,680
Speaker 1: pigs comparatively comparatively, So he's getting angry, and minutes turned

458
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 1: hours and he's getting weak and tired because this blazing heat. Again,

459
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 1: he is he's not eaten his one meal for the

460
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 1: day or head water? Very important, right, and then laid

461
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:27,159
Speaker 1: into the afternoon. He finally saw her coming down the mountain,

462
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:31,679
Speaker 1: but something was different. She was moving slowly and holding

463
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:33,919
Speaker 1: herself up on the rocks as she hobbled down the

464
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,919
Speaker 1: rocky path. She had no water picture with her, and

465
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 1: she was limping. He ran to her, and he saw

466
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 1: that she was crying and she was terribly injured. Near

467
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:45,879
Speaker 1: the top of the mountain, she had slipped on a

468
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 1: loose rock and slid down several feet, shattering the water

469
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 1: pot and seriously injuring her leg. Dash Rot had to

470
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 1: leave his work, at great risk, of course, because just

471
00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 1: leading work was not looked kindly on by his landlords.

472
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 1: But he did leave his work and he helped his

473
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 1: wife get back home. She was injured and he was exhausted,

474
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 1: but there was only one choice back over the mountain,

475
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,880
Speaker 1: so together they went, and it took all his remaining

476
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:19,360
Speaker 1: strength to help her walk. By evening, they had finally

477
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,199
Speaker 1: arrived back at their hut, and as she lay in

478
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:27,680
Speaker 1: her small bed, injured and weeping, dash Rod got angrier.

479
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:31,640
Speaker 1: He was furious that this was their fate. Every day

480
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 1: they made the same horrible journey over and over again,

481
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:37,479
Speaker 1: risking their lives for a sip of water, and no

482
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 1: one was looking out for them. He knew that if

483
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 1: anything was going to be done, he would have to

484
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 1: do it himself. He's quoted at the Better India dot

485
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 1: Com as saying quote that mountain shattered so many pots

486
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 1: and claimed so many lives. I could not bear that

487
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 1: it had hurt my wife. If it took all my life, now,

488
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 1: I would carve us a road through that mountain. And

489
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 1: the very next day he put his words to action.

490
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 1: He grabbed a hammer, a chisel and a crowbar, and

491
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 1: he climbed to the top of the mountain. He put

492
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 1: the chisel to the earth, swung his hammer and cracked

493
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 1: open the first rock. He threw both pieces and they

494
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 1: rolled down the side, one down, jillion to go. Basically

495
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 1: immediately he knew this is gonna be my life's work.

496
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 1: Oh I just, oh boy, I just took on a project,

497
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 1: you know, but I can't stop. No. Dash Rod and

498
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 1: Falconi didn't own much. They had a small hut, a

499
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 1: few tools, and some goats, which, aside from his work

500
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 1: in the fields, the goats were their primary source of

501
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 1: income through like goat, milk, goat cheese, more goats, you know, right,

502
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 1: But with his wife injured and his time devoted to

503
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 1: this project, he had to sell the goats. So this

504
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 1: gave them like a little boost of money to survive on.

505
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 1: But also he had to quit his day job in

506
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 1: the fields. So I say day job like you know,

507
00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 1: as opposed to his moonlighting or his passion road builder. Um.

508
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 1: But it wasn't long before they were struggling to eat.

509
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 1: Of course, the income was gone. He was doing this

510
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 1: pro bono. Dash Roth himself would skip meals just so

511
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 1: his wife and kids could eat. Some days, as other

512
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 1: villagers continued across the hill, sometimes he would lay down

513
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 1: his chisel and help them carry their things for a

514
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 1: small fee. That was about all the income he was getting.

515
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 1: Days turned into weeks, and villagers thought he was crazy. Um.

516
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 1: An article in the Indian expressed by Abanashe Celestine, said

517
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 1: that the landlords who owned the fields said, you know,

518
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 1: he wasn't doing anything great. The duty of a miss

519
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 1: a hare to do work like this. So if he

520
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 1: wants to build a new road, he's just doing what

521
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 1: he's supposed to do anyway, because they're literally like, oh,

522
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 1: so you're building a road from Galore to the next

523
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 1: town over. That don't impress me where. Yes, I'm ready

524
00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 1: for Shania Twain parody anytime. Well, we'll talk to her.

525
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:07,239
Speaker 1: A friend of the show friend that I don't think

526
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 1: it would go over well. I mean, I don't know

527
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 1: if we told her it can improve the cast system

528
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 1: of India. Wouldn't she look like a bitch to say no? Maybe,

529
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 1: but I'm not sure that you and I and Shania

530
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 1: Twain should be deciding what's an improvement. We are going

531
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 1: to fix it guys with a Shania Twain parody. Oh god.

532
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 1: So yeah. Anyway, they were just being, you know, total

533
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 1: jerks about this and kind of being like, great, he's

534
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 1: doing what he's supposed to do and we don't have

535
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 1: to pay him for it, bonus. So day after day

536
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 1: he chiseled away at this mountain, seemingly making no progress

537
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 1: for a long time, which is very discouraging part of

538
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 1: a project. You know, you're like, I can do it,

539
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 1: and then you do that one rock and then you're like, oh,

540
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 1: this is going to be a lot more work than

541
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 1: I thought. And then you do rocks for like a

542
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 1: hundred year. It feels like a hundred years, and you're like,

543
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 1: it looks the same. I know, that's that's me cleaning

544
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 1: my room. You know, you're cleaning any room from here

545
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 1: for an hour and I've done nothing. So I feel you.

546
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:15,479
Speaker 1: And sadly, shortly after he started, his wife Falcony became

547
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 1: extremely ill. The medical care she needed was in the

548
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 1: nearby town of Vierging, but the road there was around

549
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 1: a mountain which was a seventy kilometer or forty six

550
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 1: mile walk, and so unable to make the journey, Falcony

551
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 1: died at home. Now, most sources we saw say that

552
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 1: this was a direct result of her injuries, but there

553
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 1: was a few that suggests that the illness was unrelated.

554
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 1: Um that her death wasn't caused by the injury, but

555
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 1: that's definitely what sparked his passion to build the road,

556
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 1: But that not having the road was still why she died,

557
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 1: because the medical services couldn't get get there. Either contributed. Yeah,

558
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 1: either way, it's the same problem, and regardless, her death

559
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 1: only fired up his ambition more Furious that such a

560
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 1: fate had befallen so many Mussahr's in his village and

561
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 1: now his own wife, he stormed back to the mountain

562
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 1: and worked even harder, breaking and hauling rocks, prying boulders

563
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 1: loose and sending them tumbling down the mountain side. He

564
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 1: wiped dirt and sand from his eyes, and he savored

565
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 1: what little water was available to him, and the villagers

566
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 1: were totally bewildered by his dedication. He said quote When

567
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 1: I started hammering the hill, people called me a lunatic,

568
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 1: but that stealed my resolve. He faced his own injuries

569
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 1: dealing with loose fitting or falling rocks. But after ten

570
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 1: years of work, those villagers looked up and saw a

571
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 1: cleft in the mountaintop. Decade a decade cutting away at

572
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 1: this every day, I'm impressed. That's like when after after

573
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 1: I'm cleaning the bedroom for like an hour and a

574
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 1: half and I call you, I'm like, come in, look

575
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 1: the top of the dressers cleaned. Wow, you're getting somewhere.

576
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 1: But this gap, of course, was shocking. They didn't expect

577
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 1: him to get this far, I'm sure, and his work

578
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 1: suddenly seemed to be paying off, and like in human ways, obviously,

579
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 1: now that it looks like it's going to be a success,

580
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 1: suddenly he got more support, he said. Quote though they

581
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:23,359
Speaker 1: taunted me at first, there were quite a few who

582
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 1: lent me support later by giving me food and helping

583
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 1: me buy tools. The little Red Hand story, Yeah, the

584
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 1: Little Red Hand story. Absolutely so. Dash Rod was turning

585
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 1: into a local hero. But still at the end of

586
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 1: the day, it's just him and his chisel and hammer,

587
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:42,279
Speaker 1: chipping away at one rock at a time. It would

588
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 1: be in nine another twelve years later, more than twenty

589
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 1: two years after the day of his wife's injury, that

590
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:55,240
Speaker 1: the people of Galore looked to the mountain as desh

591
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:58,760
Speaker 1: Rod moved his final rock and walked through a pass

592
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 1: three durden sixty ft long, thirty feet wide, and twenty

593
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 1: five feet deep. Unbelievable, seriously, an unbelievable accomplishment, and the

594
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 1: villagers started calling him Baba, an honorific title reserved for

595
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 1: the most revered men. Three hundred and sixty ft long.

596
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 1: He dug with his own two hands, a chisel and

597
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 1: a hammer. Now I know two years seriously, like he

598
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 1: and he thought he was making no progress for a

599
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 1: lot of that time. So you have to think like

600
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 1: the dedication to be like, no, I'm just going to

601
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 1: keep just literally chiseling away. Literally it makes me and

602
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 1: I know you won't necessarily get this. It's weirdly, this

603
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 1: is such a weird black hole of your film life.

604
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 1: But Showshank Redemption his chisel in that hole, and that

605
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 1: was also impressive. But not, as I presipsis, he couldn't

606
00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 1: even hide his mountain pass through behind a poster. No,

607
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 1: there's no poster big enough. Now, this road shortened the

608
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:10,800
Speaker 1: distance between Vizier Guns and Galore to only five kilometers

609
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 1: or three miles. So you've got doctors, markets, jobs, and

610
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 1: schools all now a simple walk away, I mean a

611
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 1: simple three mile walk, which to me is just like

612
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:26,799
Speaker 1: eight miles, way too long. That's a Sunday most But

613
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 1: you know when when used exactly exactly, it's insane. People

614
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,839
Speaker 1: from sixty villages in the area were benefited by this road.

615
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 1: How sixty villages, that's amazing. But Baba was not done. No, no, no.

616
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 1: He had gained so much local acclaim from his work

617
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 1: in Galore that he knew he could use it to

618
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,879
Speaker 1: continue to help his people. So let's take a quick

619
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 1: break and find out what he did next. Right after

620
00:36:55,719 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 1: this and we're back. So after desh Rod finished the road,

621
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 1: his fame grew and grew. Soon he was being featured

622
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:15,800
Speaker 1: in international news right the mountain man, the landless laborer.

623
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:19,840
Speaker 1: Something called him. This guy from from nothing, from nowhere

624
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,359
Speaker 1: had done this incredible thing. I mean, this is like,

625
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:26,799
Speaker 1: this is like something out of an epic poem. You know,

626
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 1: this is such an incredible feat. For one minute, it

627
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 1: sounds like mythology. But most people get through a mountain

628
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 1: with fire, you know, freaking dynamite. And he's just like

629
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 1: literally hammering from the top because no one else would.

630
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 1: And all this time that he's digg and it's not

631
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:43,839
Speaker 1: like anybody showed up with any dynamite. But he knew

632
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 1: his work wasn't done. He said, quote, I will keep

633
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 1: working for the development of the villages here so long

634
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 1: as I am alive. I am neither afraid of any

635
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 1: punishment from any government from my work, nor am I

636
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:59,360
Speaker 1: interested in any honor from the government. He wanted the

637
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 1: road pay eaved and connected the main road. He wanted

638
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:05,760
Speaker 1: more in closer hospitals. He wanted more access to fresh

639
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:09,320
Speaker 1: water for his people. So to get the government's attention.

640
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 1: As if all this wasn't enough, coming through a mountain

641
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 1: didn't get their attention, yea, he took a walk, and

642
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 1: he walked along the railroad tracks all the way from

643
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:24,320
Speaker 1: Galore to New Delhi, which is a thousand kilometer walk

644
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:28,799
Speaker 1: or like just over six hundred miles. So in American perspective,

645
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 1: that's like walking from New York City to Cincinnati. No goodness,

646
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 1: crossing you know, all of New Jersey Pennsylvania and Ohio

647
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 1: to get there. Well, to be fair, it's probably more

648
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 1: like going from Cincinnati to New York. Well that okay,

649
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:50,400
Speaker 1: regionally speaking, probably old closer, but also put that in

650
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:54,320
Speaker 1: like basically the desert. And along the way he gathered

651
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 1: signatures in this diary that he kept with him from

652
00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 1: villagers and particularly from railroad station masters. So you could

653
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:02,919
Speaker 1: take this to India Central government and say, hey, look,

654
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 1: all these people agree that we need more stuff out here. Yeah,

655
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 1: to to remote. The government couldn't help but be impressed, obviously,

656
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 1: and they promised to help expand and pave his road.

657
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 1: They also gave him a five acre plot of land

658
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 1: in Galore for himself. But you know, desh Rot, he

659
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 1: said he was not interested in any honor or reward,

660
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 1: so he donated the land back for the construction of

661
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:31,799
Speaker 1: a hospital. They nominated him for the Padma Shrie, which

662
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 1: is India's fourth highest civilian award. It's given to citizens

663
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 1: in recognition of their distinguished contribution in various spheres of activity,

664
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 1: including arts, education, industry, sports, medicine, and public affairs. But

665
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 1: officials at the Forest Ministry fought the nomination, saying that

666
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 1: his work was illegal. Sorry you didn't get the permits.

667
00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 1: I mean the roads built. Guys, what are you gonna do?

668
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:05,439
Speaker 1: Put all the rocks back? Get over it? Ministry? How

669
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 1: weird that the Forest Ministry is the villain right now?

670
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:11,319
Speaker 1: That makes me think of the Environmental Protection Agency being

671
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 1: the villain. And oh no, but once again dash Rot

672
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 1: strugged all this off. The award was literally the least

673
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:22,359
Speaker 1: of his concerns. He said, quote, I do not care

674
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,439
Speaker 1: for these awards, the fame, the money. All I want

675
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 1: is a road, a school, a hospital for our people.

676
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:33,720
Speaker 1: They toil so hard. It will help their women and children.

677
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:38,479
Speaker 1: Desh Rod is pure for real, so pure. Don't touch

678
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 1: me with the ship. Well, I mean, look at this

679
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 1: guy has never had anything, so what interest does he

680
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 1: have in you know this material stuff for these you know,

681
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:51,800
Speaker 1: immaterial awards, these like honors and stuff. That was that

682
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 1: gonna do? Is I gonna put food on my table?

683
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:56,279
Speaker 1: You know? Uh? Is that going to help out my

684
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:58,839
Speaker 1: neighbors that I care about? That bring my wife back?

685
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 1: None of that? I guess that's that's that's a mindset thing,

686
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 1: so that I might think, well, I have never had anything,

687
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 1: so now it's great to have something or Oh, if

688
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 1: I get a bunch of money, I guess I can

689
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:13,919
Speaker 1: invest it in my community in ways I see fit

690
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 1: or whatever. But it's so cool that he was just like,

691
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 1: why are you even looking at me? Look at the

692
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 1: whole town. I'm trying to really pull focus here to

693
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:25,479
Speaker 1: the whole town, and you keep just looking at me, right,

694
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 1: So that's really cool of him. Yeah, I mean, you know,

695
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 1: we we it is a mindset thing. I think you're right,

696
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 1: Like we have a tendency to want a little bit

697
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 1: more than what we have, so not somewhere like here

698
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 1: um kind of snowballs into today where I'm just I

699
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 1: have like shelves full of bullshit, Like I don't know

700
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 1: what this does. I don't know where I got this.

701
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 1: I don't know what this is for. It's just a trinket.

702
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 1: It's just a thing. It's just some old food I'm

703
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 1: throwing away because I didn't want it after I bought it.

704
00:41:56,640 --> 00:42:00,120
Speaker 1: You know, like that's that's a whole different mindset from

705
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 1: from just a whole different lifestyle. I guess that's very true,

706
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 1: and it does make you kind of think like, jeez,

707
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 1: maybe I should be a little more selective about what

708
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 1: I want and what I have and what I do

709
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:13,800
Speaker 1: with the things that I do have, right, or reframe

710
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:18,400
Speaker 1: what I think I need versus what I want whatever, whatever,

711
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:21,319
Speaker 1: what I think I'm entitled to and so on. But

712
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:23,439
Speaker 1: I think you're right. It's that's such a cultural thing,

713
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 1: kind of like us not being able to ever really

714
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 1: fully grasp how the cast system really works emotionally for

715
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 1: people in India. I'm not sure in plenty of other

716
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:39,360
Speaker 1: countries they have a great way to grasp our mindset

717
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 1: of more and more and more, you know what I mean.

718
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 1: And I'm not even trying to talk to about capitalism,

719
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 1: you know whatever, but we do in our in this

720
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 1: country very particularly, are like the more stuff you have,

721
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 1: the bigger your house that you know, that means you're

722
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 1: doing great. That's all That's all you need to be

723
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:59,720
Speaker 1: successful is stuff stuff stuff. Yeah, that's a general mindset

724
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 1: for sure. Yeah. Or and awards to like amic feeling

725
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 1: very like special. That's also very important to us in

726
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 1: a way that maybe is very unusual to someone like

727
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 1: dush Rod who's like, I don't feel entitled to ship

728
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:16,319
Speaker 1: because I was never promised anything, right, and I don't know,

729
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 1: like you say, what the funk is this a ward

730
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:21,760
Speaker 1: going to do for me? Right, But like, for example,

731
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 1: if the Government of India wanted to give us an

732
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 1: award for this episode, like, we would totally take Yeah.

733
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 1: I'd be like, oh, sure, we did a great job. Yeah.

734
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 1: I mean that's just our mindset, that's just the culture

735
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 1: we live in. That like, Yeah, constant praise is pretty

736
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 1: good and we'll take it. Yeah, we must deserve it

737
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:41,880
Speaker 1: if you're giving it. Yeah, it's not gonna I can't

738
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:44,799
Speaker 1: eat that award, but I'll take it. I'll take it,

739
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,800
Speaker 1: you know, proudly display it on my wealth. Yeah. Alright,

740
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 1: So back to our story. In two thousand seven, dash

741
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 1: Rod was diagnosed with gall bladder cancer. Now, the state

742
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 1: government paid for all of his medical expenses. He was

743
00:43:57,760 --> 00:43:59,439
Speaker 1: such a known figure at this point, he was such

744
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 1: you know, kind of a folk hero that that they

745
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 1: went ahead and took care of things for him. But

746
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 1: that same year, sadly, he died at seventy three years old.

747
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:11,759
Speaker 1: Chief Minister Nitish Kumar went to his village after his

748
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 1: death to return his body and personally offered a state funeral.

749
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:20,879
Speaker 1: But even still, dash Rod's work wasn't over. He had

750
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 1: made countless trips to the state government of Bihar, and

751
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 1: thirty years after his road was complete, they'd finally paved

752
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 1: and connected it to the main road. That's sadly this

753
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 1: didn't happen until after his death, so he wasn't able

754
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:38,840
Speaker 1: to see it. Um. But today the dash Rot Mangi

755
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:42,439
Speaker 1: Hospital stands in Galore. It's a six bed hospital. It's

756
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 1: got a five star review on Google. By the way,

757
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 1: eleven reviews. Um. I think a number of them just

758
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 1: say like he was a great man's I think it's

759
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 1: it might just be people who heard the story and

760
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 1: went in, so hey, maybe you go drop a review

761
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 1: for the I'm not going to tell you whether it's

762
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 1: a good hospital or not. No idea a hospital in

763
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 1: that region where they did not have one, and that

764
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 1: sounds better than nothing to me. Absolutely and overall, you know,

765
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 1: all of this was for love. Dash Rat said quote.

766
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 1: I started this work out of love for my wife,

767
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 1: but I continued it for love of my people. If

768
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:21,800
Speaker 1: I did not, no one would which The Better India

769
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 1: dot Com article says that these are words which reflect

770
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 1: the reality of our country and that article published in

771
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 1: said that the people of Galore still suffer in poverty.

772
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:35,440
Speaker 1: The road has changed a lot in terms of access,

773
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:39,279
Speaker 1: but they still struggled to feed themselves. Still, there have

774
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:45,799
Speaker 1: been major changes across India for the Musahar. Jin Rammanji

775
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 1: was elected as the Chief Minister of the state of

776
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:52,920
Speaker 1: Bihar and he was from a Musahar family. In that

777
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 1: article with Courts India by Amatava Kumar, Jin recalled how

778
00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 1: his father was beaten by his landlord after suggesting that

779
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 1: Jin was smart enough for an education. Just for suggesting

780
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 1: that his son, who was Mussah, should go to school,

781
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 1: he got beat I know, landlords here suck and everything,

782
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:18,359
Speaker 1: but at least they can't beat up. Eventually, of course,

783
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:21,799
Speaker 1: Jin was able to go to school. He suffered constant

784
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 1: derision and abuse, but as an educated young Musahar he

785
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:28,919
Speaker 1: became the face of another man's political campaign who did

786
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 1: win his his office. And Jim knew that if he

787
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 1: could raise votes for another guy, well he should be

788
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:36,880
Speaker 1: able to do it for himself, to right, So he

789
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 1: went ahead and ran his own campaign, got elected and

790
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 1: rose the ranks, eventually becoming Chief minister. Yeah, it's like

791
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:46,920
Speaker 1: what we said earlier about the cast system tears being

792
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:51,399
Speaker 1: political focus groups, where this guy, whoever, Jin was kind

793
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 1: of interning with sort of campaigning, had said, oh, well,

794
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 1: you're an educated mushar. I'm gonna put you on my

795
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 1: parade float and we'll go around and I'm gonna point

796
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:01,880
Speaker 1: to you and say, hey, this Musahar kid gets funds

797
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:04,439
Speaker 1: from the government to go to school. You all could

798
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 1: do that too, if you vote for me. So it became,

799
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 1: you know, he was the face of a whole demographic

800
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 1: of people, and he was like, well, hey, oh, they

801
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 1: probably vote for me directly, right, so you know, we

802
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 1: we won't comment as to this guy's politics because I mean,

803
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 1: we don't know that much about him. Uh, he might suck,

804
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:24,400
Speaker 1: I don't know that. At a brief glance at his

805
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 1: Wikipedia page, he definitely had a ton of scandals and

806
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:29,839
Speaker 1: he was effectively forced to resign after a year. But

807
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:34,879
Speaker 1: that's not the point. The point is, hopefully things are

808
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:38,719
Speaker 1: changing for the mussa Haar, for the Dalites, um, you know,

809
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 1: and and and that for the for the scheduled casts

810
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:44,799
Speaker 1: in India in general. Um, that's that's our hope from

811
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 1: what little we know. From our perspective, of course, we

812
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 1: always want people who are in a bad way to

813
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:53,840
Speaker 1: be in a better way, and if it costs the

814
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:55,719
Speaker 1: people who are in a great way a little something

815
00:47:55,760 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 1: to make that happen. Well, you know that's how put

816
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 1: it lightly and put it in Galore. But they don't

817
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 1: have enough water. Yes, although I don't want, but I

818
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:09,800
Speaker 1: probably don't want your salty tier river. That's true. Yeah,

819
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:15,279
Speaker 1: crime crimea river, distill that river, filter it and then

820
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 1: send it to But yeah, and a lot of those

821
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:20,920
Speaker 1: changes are because of this guy being so freaking awesome

822
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 1: and like impressive and I don't know, just again pure

823
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:29,400
Speaker 1: and wholesome in his intentions. There's a statue of him

824
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 1: of Roi in Galore. And this guy jin Ramanji, when

825
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:37,399
Speaker 1: he was elected, at least in this article, he told

826
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 1: the story. He said a lot of politicians when they

827
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 1: get elected, they travel somewhere, they go to a statue

828
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 1: of a particular god, they thank them for everything. And

829
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:49,279
Speaker 1: he said he went to Galore and thanked dash Rod

830
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:53,839
Speaker 1: Mangji at his statue for showing the Musahara people that

831
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 1: you know, you can do something. You know, we don't

832
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 1: have to just sit here and take it. We we

833
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:02,239
Speaker 1: can be proactive and take action. And man, that guy

834
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 1: took action twenty two years, carving a hole in a

835
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:09,840
Speaker 1: mountain out of out of love of his wife, and

836
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 1: that's a beautiful story. Every day I hate that he

837
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 1: had to do it. It's one of those stories I'm like,

838
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:16,239
Speaker 1: I don't even want to praise it because the fact

839
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 1: that it had to be done is not like, oh,

840
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:20,440
Speaker 1: what a hero. It's like, well, why the funk was

841
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 1: this a problem in the first place. Yeah, you know,

842
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:26,360
Speaker 1: that's tough with some of these feel good underdog stories

843
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 1: where you're like, oh, I want to clap and just yes,

844
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:31,319
Speaker 1: let's make more of these stories happen, And it's like, no, no,

845
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:33,840
Speaker 1: let's make less of these stories need to happen. In

846
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:36,839
Speaker 1: a better regulated world, he would not have had to

847
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 1: do this, right, right, But yeah, I I agree it,

848
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 1: but it's still just incredible for someone who had no

849
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:49,320
Speaker 1: political power, no power in any way, no money, no standing,

850
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 1: no nothing. I said, you know what I do have

851
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:54,719
Speaker 1: as a fucking chisel, and I already break rocks for

852
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:57,280
Speaker 1: some other guy, So let me break rocks for myself

853
00:49:57,320 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 1: and the people around me who need it. You know.

854
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 1: It's just like he really had nothing and he gave everything.

855
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:07,799
Speaker 1: And again I'm just picturing myself slumped over on the

856
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:11,839
Speaker 1: couch with my yet the temperature just where I wanted

857
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:15,400
Speaker 1: bitching about how it's a little drafty and I've got

858
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 1: my PlayStation control in my hand and I'm digging a

859
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 1: hole in the side of a mountain on Minecraft, like

860
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 1: I'm exhausted from it, Like, oh, this is going to

861
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:28,400
Speaker 1: take forever a long day, my diamonds. Yeah. Yeah, he

862
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:32,719
Speaker 1: didn't have no no enchantments, he didn't have no chest

863
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 1: efficiency three chest. He just made a shelker box. Ye,

864
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 1: this sounds like I'm a Minecraft guy and I'm not

865
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:45,880
Speaker 1: very casually occasionally play for a for a for a

866
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:48,319
Speaker 1: devoted week at a time twice a year. But he

867
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 1: does have a really big house and a lot of

868
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:53,880
Speaker 1: carts that run to a train station that he also builds.

869
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 1: And now he's building like a cabin in the woods

870
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 1: that will have a big performance arena and during it.

871
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:08,799
Speaker 1: Yeah it's it's look that's years um and uh you know,

872
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:11,320
Speaker 1: and yeah, it's pretty impressive. So if anybody wants to

873
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 1: send me a civilian award, it's pretty nice. Start calling you,

874
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 1: Bobby Eli Yourn in your mind, crowd, No, no, no,

875
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:24,960
Speaker 1: please don't call me. He does not deserve it very much.

876
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 1: Do not deserve that. But I think this is so

877
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:33,720
Speaker 1: beautiful that, like, I don't know, this just dedication between

878
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:38,879
Speaker 1: these two people. Um that she would again every day

879
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:41,320
Speaker 1: walk hours to bring him lunch and then walk hours

880
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:44,319
Speaker 1: to go home. And then as soon as you know,

881
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 1: he was like it was really brought home to him

882
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 1: how fucked up it was that there was no hospital

883
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 1: nearby for anybody, not just his wife, but for anyone.

884
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:54,840
Speaker 1: That he was like, you know what, somebody has to

885
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 1: do something, and I know it's not gonna be anybody,

886
00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:59,799
Speaker 1: It's going to be me, yea. And I think that

887
00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 1: he proved that in again doing it, and no one

888
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:05,640
Speaker 1: ever came to help him. They never showed up with

889
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 1: a bacco or dynamite or anything like that. That just

890
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 1: proves right there that no one was going to help.

891
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 1: They could complain and die and suffer as much as

892
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 1: they needed and no one would ever bat an eye

893
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:18,840
Speaker 1: about it. They'd just be like, well, there's more of you.

894
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 1: So brutal. But yeah, I mean that's a good point

895
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 1: about his wife too. I was thinking that that, like

896
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:26,400
Speaker 1: she had her own trek there for a long time,

897
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 1: climbing over that mountain every day. That's that's no small

898
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:33,760
Speaker 1: task either and bring her husband lunch while he worked,

899
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:35,799
Speaker 1: you know, to support them. And she's probably taking care

900
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 1: of the goats back home too, and the kids and

901
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 1: the kids not forget, but yeah, it's like like I say,

902
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:43,440
Speaker 1: it's just like you know, you look around, you have

903
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:46,719
Speaker 1: very little, and then you you find a way to

904
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:50,719
Speaker 1: show your love and how much you appreciate and care

905
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:53,360
Speaker 1: for the other person with whatever you got, and what

906
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:57,920
Speaker 1: she had was only her time and her attention. I

907
00:52:57,960 --> 00:52:59,399
Speaker 1: want you to have that. I want to take care

908
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:03,239
Speaker 1: of you the way I can. You know, that's so wonderful.

909
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 1: And I will say too, you know, talking about goals

910
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:09,279
Speaker 1: in the new year, Um, if you have a big

911
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 1: goal that seems insurmountable, definitely remember josh Roth who started

912
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 1: with a single rock and ended with a road. And

913
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 1: it makes me think my dad. One of his piece

914
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:23,640
Speaker 1: of advice that he gave me when I was a

915
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:26,279
Speaker 1: kid that I've never forgotten that I love. He said,

916
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:28,799
Speaker 1: He's like, you know, whenever your face was a bit,

917
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:31,960
Speaker 1: a really big job looks impossible. Just think to yourself,

918
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:36,239
Speaker 1: how does an aunt eat an elephant? One bite at

919
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:40,960
Speaker 1: a time? Love it, love it? Sometimes that first bite

920
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:43,759
Speaker 1: is the hardest bite. Sometimes it's the second bite. Like

921
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 1: I said, I could totally see him being like real

922
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:49,919
Speaker 1: worked up, like I'm a buildest road and he gets

923
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 1: to the top of the mountain and he breaks that

924
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:53,759
Speaker 1: one rock and then he's like, oh, ship, now I

925
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 1: have to do this a billion trillion more times. Like honestly,

926
00:53:57,560 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 1: it would have been more impossible. It would have seemed

927
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 1: more impossible the longer you did it, you know what

928
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:06,520
Speaker 1: I mean. Yeah, And so like after ten years, amazing

929
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:08,920
Speaker 1: that he kept going. I mean, it's just amazing that

930
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:11,440
Speaker 1: he kept going. What's that a journey of a thousand

931
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:15,200
Speaker 1: miles starts with the single step? Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Just

932
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 1: you just you just got to pick up a chisel

933
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:19,480
Speaker 1: and a hammer and just start. I mean, I think

934
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:22,680
Speaker 1: of it as a completely different aspect, but I think

935
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:25,799
Speaker 1: of it as a writer. Sometimes that's so hard. It's

936
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:28,480
Speaker 1: so hard to write. It is the hardest thing in

937
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:29,719
Speaker 1: the world to write. And you sit down at a

938
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:33,000
Speaker 1: blank page with the with the most detailed and brilliant

939
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:36,480
Speaker 1: idea any human being has ever come up with, like that,

940
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:40,399
Speaker 1: Like you know, authors in history will weep when they

941
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:43,960
Speaker 1: read your story. And then you sit down in front

942
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 1: of a blank page, and you're like, uh, what are words?

943
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:51,520
Speaker 1: You know? You just gotta start. You just gotta type

944
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:53,319
Speaker 1: a word, and then the next word, and then the

945
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 1: next one, and eventually they might mean something. And if

946
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:58,720
Speaker 1: they don't, at least you've did something as opposed to nothing.

947
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 1: I mean, this guy could have died on that mountain,

948
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:05,280
Speaker 1: you know, a year into his project, and he probably

949
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:07,840
Speaker 1: would have been proud of that he that he tried

950
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:10,880
Speaker 1: at least made a made noise enough to say, there

951
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:13,799
Speaker 1: should be a road. There should be a road. If

952
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:15,359
Speaker 1: I have to do it, i'll do it, but there

953
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:17,879
Speaker 1: should be a road. I bet you're right. Any time

954
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:19,440
Speaker 1: he died, it would have been like, at least somebody

955
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:22,440
Speaker 1: heard me, even if they don't finish it. And at

956
00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 1: least I didn't just sit around wishing that it existed. True. Yeah,

957
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:30,240
Speaker 1: I went out and did my damnedest. So yes, that

958
00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:34,279
Speaker 1: that is the energy this year. Carry it with you, right,

959
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:42,040
Speaker 1: Let's do our damnedest this year. Proactive, decisive changes, caring

960
00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:45,360
Speaker 1: about the people around you, yes, finding a way to

961
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 1: be of service, yes, and no one's going to do

962
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:49,960
Speaker 1: it for you. And one, you know, if you want

963
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:53,839
Speaker 1: to help people out, you can't just keep hoping and

964
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:57,680
Speaker 1: and make a noise. You gotta take action, you gotta

965
00:55:57,719 --> 00:56:01,960
Speaker 1: step up, you gotta do something. Oh that that is scary.

966
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 1: They're saying it all to all y'all, But I don't

967
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 1: know how much we're going to. You know what you've

968
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:12,200
Speaker 1: got to and you've got to tell other people to

969
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:15,520
Speaker 1: do it too, because then you make yourself accountable because

970
00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:17,560
Speaker 1: a lot of times I'll get I'll be like, I'll

971
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:20,319
Speaker 1: get online, I'll be like, you better call your senators,

972
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:22,319
Speaker 1: even though I haven't yet, because I know that by

973
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:24,279
Speaker 1: the end of that night, I'm gonna be like, I'm

974
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:26,319
Speaker 1: a hypocrite. I better call my senators, and I do,

975
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:30,239
Speaker 1: you know, make myself do it. Um so. But but

976
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 1: whether it is whether it's a whole policy change or

977
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:37,120
Speaker 1: just uh, you know, something little something just helping your

978
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:39,759
Speaker 1: you're yeah, helping your spouse or your family or your

979
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:43,400
Speaker 1: kids out or whatever. Build a little ramp for your dog.

980
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:48,839
Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm spitballing here, you know, just just

981
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:51,759
Speaker 1: pick up a hammer and a chisel and start and

982
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:54,480
Speaker 1: that's the best we can do. Think of dash Rat Mangia,

983
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:57,560
Speaker 1: who just went for it. Yeah, he will be in

984
00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:01,719
Speaker 1: my heart this year for sure. Yes, yes, astrot energy.

985
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:05,799
Speaker 1: Please let us know what your plans are for this

986
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:08,480
Speaker 1: year and how you plan to use that energy moving forward.

987
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:11,520
Speaker 1: You would love to share that with all the other listeners,

988
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:13,920
Speaker 1: or if you just wanted to share it with us,

989
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:16,360
Speaker 1: we'd love to hear it too. You know, reach out,

990
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:19,560
Speaker 1: tell us what you thought of the story. Please please

991
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 1: fix our history of the cast system. We did our best,

992
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:26,200
Speaker 1: we really did, but I know, I just know someone's

993
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 1: gonna write and be like, here's what you got totally wrong,

994
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:31,280
Speaker 1: and maybe not maybe maybe we'll get the podma shri

995
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:38,800
Speaker 1: ordcasting seriously, but we'd love to hear your feedback. Please

996
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:40,960
Speaker 1: don't hesitate to reach out. You know how to reach us.

997
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:43,680
Speaker 1: Our email is Romance at i heeart media dot com

998
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:46,200
Speaker 1: or find us on social media on Twitter and Instagram.

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00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:48,680
Speaker 1: I'm at dianamite Boom and I'm at o Grade. It's

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Speaker 1: Eli and the show is at predict Romance. We cannot

1001
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:53,800
Speaker 1: wait to hear from you, and we cannot wait to

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Speaker 1: bring you more episodes this year. As a stay tuned,

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Speaker 1: we'll be back later this week and happy two all friends.

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Speaker 1: It's time to go. Thanks for listening to our show.

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00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:08,200
Speaker 1: Tell your friends neighbor's uncles in dance to listen to

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