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Speaker 1: know the emotional power of this for Trump's voters. UM.

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Speaker 1: But mostly what I heard the Democrats on that stage

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Speaker 1: that night, Julie and Castro of course, saying we should

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Speaker 1: decriminalize coming across the border. I think a lot of

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Speaker 1: Democrats didn't agree with that even and I think again

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Speaker 1: even moderate voters might say, geez, if they broke the law,

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Speaker 1: maybe we should send them home. You know, what is

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Speaker 1: your party's message on immigration? What are you saying if

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Speaker 1: you a fine? You don't want to see that that

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Speaker 1: video we might see the weekend. Here's how the Democrats

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Speaker 1: would do it if we get elected. Well, look, I

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Speaker 1: think you rise a very important point, which is, first

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Speaker 1: of all, Democrats are not unified on this UM. This

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Speaker 1: UM is a complicated issue. And UM, different candidates running

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Speaker 1: in the primary have different viewpoints. UM. You know I did, uh,

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Speaker 1: I did Morning Joe the morning after the debate and

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Speaker 1: the you know, the first fifteen twenty minutes we talked

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Speaker 1: about the fact that moderate voters in America, those people

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Speaker 1: who want to get rid of Donald Trump, who don't

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Speaker 1: want to see him in the White House, UM, don't

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Speaker 1: want to see him get reelected. But at the same

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Speaker 1: time they heard on that debate stage the night before

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Speaker 1: that there are a lot of candidates who want to

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Speaker 1: provide free healthcare to immigrants who are a litally coming

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Speaker 1: across the border. So I think that we're not quite sure. Um,

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Speaker 1: you know, I don't think that my party, frankly, is

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Speaker 1: really um figure out how to handle this issue, because

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Speaker 1: we are on the side of the immigrant families in

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Speaker 1: terms of, you know, creating a more humanitarian way for

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Speaker 1: seeking asylum, to obviously get children out of cages. But

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Speaker 1: I don't think that we've quite figured out how to

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Speaker 1: message comprehensive immigration reform um in the right way. And

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Speaker 1: a lot of that has to do with the fact

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Speaker 1: that we're constantly trying to push back against Trump's in

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Speaker 1: humane policies as opposed to actually having the time or

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Speaker 1: space to come up with a very articulate, comprehensive policy

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Speaker 1: on our own. That's Adrian Elrod, who was a former

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Speaker 1: senior aide of the Hoody Clinton campaign. We're also here

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Speaker 1: with Ron Bonjen of Republicans Guru for decades in this town.

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Speaker 1: Here in Washington, and we're just getting warmed up on politics,

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Speaker 1: which we'll talk about a little bit going forward. Here.

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Speaker 1: We've got Robert Mueller's hearing, We've got polls, we've got fundraising,

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Speaker 1: Craig Gordon, you are with sound On, and we're here

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Speaker 1: in the studio with Adrian ll Right, a former senior

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Speaker 1: the Hillary Clinton campaign, and Ron bon Jean. Let's use

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Speaker 1: one of Ron's other titles for this. He was also

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Speaker 1: the communication strategistic United States Supreme Court nominee Judge Neil Gorsuch,

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Speaker 1: who was of course confirmed to the Supreme Court and

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Speaker 1: sits there even still to this day. Um, look, uh,

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Speaker 1: we have this is kind of the week or maybe

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Speaker 1: next week. We've been waiting for you here from Robert

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Speaker 1: Mueller himself. His testimony before the House was scheduled for

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Speaker 1: next week. There's been some talk it could get switched

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Speaker 1: to the following week, but either way, I think it's

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Speaker 1: going to be one of those sort of days in

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Speaker 1: Washington that happened every now and then, where the city

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Speaker 1: drama as we hear from a man that we've mostly

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Speaker 1: only heard from in his report and then that verrief

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Speaker 1: news conference he did that day. Um. Of course the

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Speaker 1: um House Democrats are eager to hear from Mueller, but Ron,

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Speaker 1: I'm actually sort of curious, Um, you know, as a Republican, like,

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Speaker 1: how much damage can Robert moll still do to Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump at this point? I don't think that. I don't

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Speaker 1: think anything. I honestly, I think that having Muller up

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Speaker 1: is on the Hill to testify is really more of

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Speaker 1: a liberal based exercise because it doesn't there have been, no,

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Speaker 1: there haven't been really many dividends that have paid off

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Speaker 1: from this whole thing, and chasing Donald Trump on on

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Speaker 1: the investigative front is feeling the narrative that Trump's campaign

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Speaker 1: and allies are are touting, which is that they're too

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Speaker 1: busy UM with Parson exercises investigating UM the president as

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Speaker 1: opposed to doing the doing the people's work and passing

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Speaker 1: legislation and getting there, getting the job done, and Washington

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Speaker 1: that they were elected to do. UM. Yes, I think

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Speaker 1: we will be definitely be glued in to see UM,

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Speaker 1: see what he has to say. But I don't I

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Speaker 1: think this guy has some pretty strong message discipline UM

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Speaker 1: and will likely not yield a whole lot of results.

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Speaker 1: Plus this is going right into the August recess, so

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Speaker 1: you know, any kind of bounce from that would probably

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Speaker 1: be very low at this point in terms of those

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Speaker 1: who want impeachment. UM, in terms of the idea of

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Speaker 1: the sort of the never ending which hunt. President Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump spoke on the expected Miller testimony today on his

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Speaker 1: way to Milwaukee, Wisconsin. UM, here is the president commenting

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Speaker 1: on Robert Mueller for two and a half years, So

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Speaker 1: now they have more to go maker speech that goes now.

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Speaker 1: They wanted to have him again. They want to go

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Speaker 1: it again and again and again because they want to

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Speaker 1: hurt the president for the election. Adrian, I have to

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Speaker 1: say I'm a little bit with Ron on this one.

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Speaker 1: This says, this seems to me to have a very

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Speaker 1: large danger of being anticlimactic and possibly even slightly a

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Speaker 1: bit of a backlash. But why don't you tell us

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Speaker 1: how you see it? First of all, I love it

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Speaker 1: when the president refers to himself in the third person,

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Speaker 1: the pressure Adrian, the Adrian right right. Um. Look, here's

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Speaker 1: the thing I choose to take And this may sound

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Speaker 1: crazy to you guys, but I actually choose to take

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Speaker 1: politics out of this and look at the fundamental fact

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Speaker 1: that there are still some questions in terms of you know,

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Speaker 1: the way Bob Muller put his report together. You know

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Speaker 1: why did he um, you know, why did he not

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Speaker 1: include a straight up recommendation for impeachment? Um, you know,

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Speaker 1: there were some there are still some questions that Democrats have.

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Speaker 1: And I think if you and and I think hopefully

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Speaker 1: politics out of the equation and look at the fact

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Speaker 1: that there are still some unanswered questions that we need

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Speaker 1: to get to the bottom of. And Bob Muller is

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Speaker 1: the person who, you know, the special counsel who spent

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Speaker 1: a long time looking into this matter, trying to use

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Speaker 1: this time to clear up some of those questions. And

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Speaker 1: I agree with Ron on this. Put this behind us

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Speaker 1: and move on. Either we're going to impeach him or

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Speaker 1: we're not, because I will tell you as a Democratic strategist,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to have impeachment proceedings competing with the

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Speaker 1: Democratic primary once we hit um, you know, late late,

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Speaker 1: you know, nove over December of this year going into January,

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Speaker 1: with Iowa Caucus is right around the corner. This is

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Speaker 1: not something that we need to be contending with. So

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Speaker 1: we either need to address this and move on, or

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Speaker 1: we need to, um, you know, start impeachment proceedings if

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Speaker 1: that's actually going to happen sooner rather than later. Right,

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Speaker 1: But impeaching interceedings would almost certainly last at least in

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Speaker 1: through the fall and into the winter. Maybe it's just

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Speaker 1: a it's just a certain amount of time consuming process.

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Speaker 1: Are you saying that maybe Democrats would think twice about

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Speaker 1: this and and and avoid impeachment altogether. Well, I'm saying

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Speaker 1: that if it's going to happen and there they're certainly

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Speaker 1: I mean, Donald Trump has done so many things that

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Speaker 1: would you know that would certainly warrant impeachment. Um, you know,

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Speaker 1: at least an impeachment inquiry and then possibly impeachment proceedings.

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Speaker 1: But if this is going to happen, we need either

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Speaker 1: start doing it and focus on getting to the bottom

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Speaker 1: of this, or we need to move on and focus

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Speaker 1: on beating him at the belt box. Um. The part

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Speaker 1: that interesting to me, People remember when Dana Carver used

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Speaker 1: to do George H. W. Bush impersonation and people came

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Speaker 1: to think of that impersonation is exactly how George H. W.

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Speaker 1: Bush talked, you know, and hack on to head all

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Speaker 1: that stuff. I kind of feel like we're all gonna

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Speaker 1: expect to see Robert Denier J. Wilson and sit and

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Speaker 1: sit in that chair. Um. You know, Ron, the fact is,

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Speaker 1: Robert Muller does know what he knows, and he did

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Speaker 1: right in his report that certainly there was he could

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Speaker 1: not absolve the president of obstruction. He seemed to leave

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Speaker 1: the question of impeachment to Congress, but certainly left to

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Speaker 1: open the possibility that the president committed impeachable offenses. You know,

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Speaker 1: what is the percentage of danger for Trump that Mueller

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Speaker 1: does put some slightly new twist on this that even

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Speaker 1: the American people says, WHOA, I never thought of it

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Speaker 1: that way. I didn't know that's how he was thinking

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Speaker 1: about it. We might look at this more seriously. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think very low. I mean, I don't think you're

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Speaker 1: going to see much of a different performance from Muller

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Speaker 1: than you're than you've seen. Yes, he'll be a question

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Speaker 1: for I've heard from two to three hours. Sure could

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Speaker 1: didn't come out of that. Yeah, but I I don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't see this going anywhere. I don't see this

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Speaker 1: really snowballing at this point. I mean unless he were

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Speaker 1: I think he's trying to let the reports speak for itself,

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Speaker 1: and I think you're going to see him, um stay

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Speaker 1: very tight in his message. UM, let's move a little

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Speaker 1: more broadly generally. You've got just a couple of minutes left, Adrian,

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Speaker 1: I'm interested to know what you thought about the Democratic debate.

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Speaker 1: I foll out this week showed Joe Biden is still

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Speaker 1: holding a very commanding lead among South Carolina Democrats. A

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Speaker 1: lot of African American voters that love Joe Biden still

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Speaker 1: loved Joe Biden. He's holding about a thirty five percent,

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Speaker 1: He's almost twenty points ahead of Sanders. If Joe Biden

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Speaker 1: is holding on to African American voters. After the whooping

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Speaker 1: he took from Kamala Harris at that debate, boy, that

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Speaker 1: just seems like a guy who could be headed toward

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Speaker 1: the nomination. What is your sense of Biden's strength right

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Speaker 1: now and weaknesses? Yeah, current, I'm glad you brought this up.

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Speaker 1: I mean, look, Kamala Harris, no question commanded at that

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Speaker 1: debate stage on Thursday night, the second night of the debates,

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Speaker 1: her positions. She commanded that debate state um, and she

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Speaker 1: next tent. She almost needed a Hail Mary to get

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Speaker 1: her candidacy out of the single digits, and she made

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Speaker 1: that work. She was able to raise two million dollars

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Speaker 1: on track to raise probably about ten and a half

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Speaker 1: million dollars UM. She ended up raising twelve million dollars

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Speaker 1: in Q two, but she was still far under in

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Speaker 1: terms of what other candidates right. So she needed that

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Speaker 1: moment and she succeeded. However, to the point that you

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Speaker 1: just made about the Fox News poll Joe Biden with

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Speaker 1: that pole shows is that Joe Biden has very deep

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Speaker 1: rooted support among key constituencies of the Democratic Party that

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Speaker 1: Those are the two most important voting blocks that you

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Speaker 1: need as a Democratic candidates. So I think he's doing

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Speaker 1: pretty well right now. The turns away from that pole

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Speaker 1: where they're all no Iowa this weekend and next weeks

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Speaker 1: we'll have more to work with on that. You can

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Speaker 1: download the sound on podcast and iTunes of Bloomberg dot

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Speaker 1: by bloom downloading the Bloomberg Business app, and you can

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Speaker 1: also find us on Radio dot Com, I Heart Radio,

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