WEBVTT - Anthony Dirrell 0:00:00.360 --> 0:00:02.600 This is cut to it with Steve Smith Senior at 0:00:02.640 --> 0:00:08.879 production of The Black Effect and I Heart Radio. I'm 0:00:08.920 --> 0:00:12.200 Steve Smith Senior and I'm John and this is cut 0:00:12.240 --> 0:00:16.600 to it. Good do it, Good do it. They's getting 0:00:16.640 --> 0:00:19.919 down to do it. Good do it. We asked the 0:00:20.040 --> 0:00:23.880 questions you always want to know, but no one ever asked, 0:00:24.000 --> 0:00:29.560 let's cut to it. You ain't heard them about it? 0:00:29.640 --> 0:00:40.280 Then we're about to let you know. It's all fellas, fellas, 0:00:40.560 --> 0:00:44.280 what's going on, What's what up? What up? What's on 0:00:44.320 --> 0:00:46.960 your mentor just looking as we get into two like 0:00:47.159 --> 0:00:50.120 as like everybody else, just hoping like it's you know, 0:00:50.479 --> 0:00:53.599 continues to get better than the previous year, two year, 0:00:53.680 --> 0:00:55.240 two and a half years. So I mean that's really 0:00:55.240 --> 0:00:57.000 all it is. I mean, you know, we we've been 0:00:57.160 --> 0:00:58.760 we haven't been together for a couple of weeks because 0:00:58.760 --> 0:01:03.480 of the holidays. And I actually got COVID Welcome to 0:01:03.560 --> 0:01:07.280 the club Man. It was based the VP section is 0:01:07.319 --> 0:01:10.480 over here around the corner. Nah, boys had me waiting 0:01:10.520 --> 0:01:16.920 the line. Yeah, I basically spent Christmas recover. Yeah, that's 0:01:16.920 --> 0:01:19.520 a second time to have it. It was Yeah, I 0:01:19.560 --> 0:01:23.600 was I was where where were you now? I was 0:01:23.640 --> 0:01:26.280 in the house. I was just I was I had 0:01:26.319 --> 0:01:29.360 my own restroom, had own bathroom, and I sat there 0:01:29.400 --> 0:01:33.800 and who it was so bad. Even my dog Tigo 0:01:33.880 --> 0:01:38.520 was like, no, you got that. Rona was coming to 0:01:38.640 --> 0:01:40.880 room and she was like, nah, yeah, that's that's that 0:01:40.959 --> 0:01:43.319 sick brother and walk right on. When I had it, it 0:01:43.240 --> 0:01:45.280 it was same thing, like I kind of posted up 0:01:45.280 --> 0:01:48.160 in bonus room I ended up taking because our our 0:01:48.280 --> 0:01:51.200 kids bathroom is connected there, so I took their bathroom. 0:01:51.240 --> 0:01:54.520 They couldn't use that anymore. They had to use our bathroom, 0:01:54.760 --> 0:01:57.320 me and my wife's. And so it was just and 0:01:57.320 --> 0:02:00.720 the drains on you man, like being being Western like that. 0:02:00.800 --> 0:02:02.360 Like the only thing I could do is like I 0:02:02.440 --> 0:02:04.320 wake up early in the morning go for a walk, 0:02:04.480 --> 0:02:06.640 just just because I needed to leave the house and 0:02:06.680 --> 0:02:09.160 be away from them. But then it was just and 0:02:09.240 --> 0:02:12.440 it was something else bro not me. I was just 0:02:12.520 --> 0:02:14.919 being inside that now that was messing with my mentor 0:02:15.000 --> 0:02:18.400 I had to It's only so much sleep you can get. 0:02:18.440 --> 0:02:20.880 There's only so much sleep. It's only so much. It's 0:02:20.880 --> 0:02:23.280 only so much you win games I could watch. But 0:02:23.400 --> 0:02:26.120 you've traveled with me, you know I could sleep it 0:02:26.200 --> 0:02:29.840 don't it? Don't it don't matter. Like I did the 0:02:29.880 --> 0:02:32.440 same thing. It's it's only so much sleep you can get. 0:02:32.560 --> 0:02:35.440 So I got it all. I can tell you. I've 0:02:35.440 --> 0:02:37.160 been to watched squid games the whole time. That was 0:02:37.240 --> 0:02:39.480 that was the highlight. Well, I can tell you when 0:02:39.320 --> 0:02:42.320 when I had it, and I don't know how bad 0:02:42.680 --> 0:02:46.240 it may have gotten, but I know, uh Angie, Steve's 0:02:46.280 --> 0:02:51.040 wife just concocted us like silver and this and that 0:02:51.200 --> 0:02:54.440 and and all kinds of appointments and pills and mentally, 0:02:54.440 --> 0:02:55.920 I don't know what I was taking, but I can 0:02:56.000 --> 0:02:57.720 tell you, Like I said, I don't know what it 0:02:57.760 --> 0:02:59.959 would have been like, but ours got through pretty quickly, 0:03:00.080 --> 0:03:02.520 so hopefully she took care of you at the house 0:03:02.560 --> 0:03:05.519 as well too. So I was on nebulizer just keep 0:03:05.600 --> 0:03:07.959 my lungs, just to keep my luck. We already have one, 0:03:08.760 --> 0:03:11.000 just to keep it because I was coughing and I 0:03:11.040 --> 0:03:15.560 didn't I didn't want the coughing, so doing that. But 0:03:16.080 --> 0:03:18.839 do you still have like a slight one a little bit? Um. 0:03:18.880 --> 0:03:21.920 It's been a while, so I'm it's getting better now. 0:03:22.880 --> 0:03:25.840 When I'm working out and starting to I would tell 0:03:25.960 --> 0:03:28.280 that linger for a while after after I had it, 0:03:28.320 --> 0:03:33.320 I would tell you though. I did lose some weight. Okay, 0:03:33.880 --> 0:03:40.000 COVID diet program. I'm getting lean pretty good. So it 0:03:40.080 --> 0:03:42.360 had it had his benefits. It had his benefits. And 0:03:42.400 --> 0:03:46.600 her brother slept. I slept a lot like so, uh 0:03:46.920 --> 0:03:49.160 just switched my mind a little bit. I got the 0:03:49.160 --> 0:03:51.840 opportunity to go out to the Rose Bowl, um, you 0:03:51.880 --> 0:03:53.920 know and see University of Utah. But I got to 0:03:53.920 --> 0:03:57.400 go time to go home, and I went home with Peyton, 0:03:57.920 --> 0:04:01.440 my oldest and so we were uh University of Utah, 0:04:01.480 --> 0:04:05.720 were staying downtown. Um, we stayed kind of in between 0:04:05.760 --> 0:04:07.360 because I wanted to kind of have that time just 0:04:07.480 --> 0:04:09.680 be with Peyton and my you know, just being my son. 0:04:09.760 --> 0:04:14.480 So I just didn't want to have the distraction of 0:04:15.520 --> 0:04:19.000 Steve Smith former Utah play area out for a bowl game. 0:04:19.080 --> 0:04:22.480 I just wanted to be you know, Payton's dad. And 0:04:22.520 --> 0:04:25.960 so on the way there, we took a I took 0:04:25.960 --> 0:04:28.960 the street, and so I went to the went went 0:04:29.000 --> 0:04:31.719 onto the street and went to this little this little 0:04:31.839 --> 0:04:36.919 taco um taco place and it was you know bout tacos, burritos, 0:04:37.320 --> 0:04:40.440 you know, burger whatever. You know. If you ever been 0:04:40.440 --> 0:04:45.640 in California, California has a plethora of mom and pop, 0:04:45.680 --> 0:04:49.760 hole in the wall, independent places, and so this is 0:04:49.760 --> 0:04:51.200 a place that I went to, and it was right 0:04:51.200 --> 0:04:55.080 there on Pico and those a lot of cultures. And 0:04:55.120 --> 0:04:57.000 one of the interesting things was I was sitting there 0:04:57.000 --> 0:04:59.240 at that I was just sitting there and I kind 0:04:59.240 --> 0:05:02.120 of smiled, grabbed our food. Were sitting out there, and 0:05:02.160 --> 0:05:05.480 we're just sitting outside and we're eating and um, so 0:05:05.560 --> 0:05:07.039 how was he was like, yeah, it was good. It 0:05:07.120 --> 0:05:11.480 was in and so just watching people, watching watching all 0:05:11.480 --> 0:05:15.320 the people and all that stuff. And I remember I 0:05:15.360 --> 0:05:17.160 had a moment and I was sitting there and I 0:05:17.200 --> 0:05:20.920 was remembering what I went through as a kid growing 0:05:21.000 --> 0:05:26.600 up back home, and Peyton had a moment that he 0:05:26.680 --> 0:05:30.360 was seeing part of Dad's past. And so on the 0:05:30.520 --> 0:05:34.520 wee eight when you know, went to the to the 0:05:34.600 --> 0:05:38.360 Team hotel. We saw some folks, got our tickets, got 0:05:38.400 --> 0:05:43.679 our stuff, and then we were driving back. Um, and 0:05:43.720 --> 0:05:49.880 I had said, you know, I was thinking about and 0:05:49.920 --> 0:05:52.480 I was like, man, when I was sitting there eating 0:05:52.480 --> 0:05:56.120 that food with Peyton, I was going backwards. I remember 0:05:56.200 --> 0:05:59.200 when I was a kid, and when I was a 0:05:59.320 --> 0:06:02.240 kid at something point. I love that Lafe. It's my home. 0:06:02.240 --> 0:06:04.800 That's my You know when I asked people at their 0:06:04.839 --> 0:06:07.600 hometown is Charlotte is my Charlotte is the place where 0:06:07.600 --> 0:06:11.160 I call home. But the place I called my hometown 0:06:11.920 --> 0:06:15.440 where I'm from. Man, it's l A and the l 0:06:15.480 --> 0:06:18.920 A taught me a lot. But it also at the 0:06:18.960 --> 0:06:22.360 time it damaged me. And I remember I was sitting 0:06:22.400 --> 0:06:25.039 there and I was like, man, when I was a 0:06:25.120 --> 0:06:29.200 young pup, I was just sitting there, going, will I 0:06:29.240 --> 0:06:34.159 ever make it out of here? Will this be big 0:06:34.200 --> 0:06:38.320 stent of me riding a bus? No driver's license? I 0:06:38.320 --> 0:06:41.440 don't get my drivers like charge twenty two years old 0:06:41.440 --> 0:06:44.919 when I was out in Utah. I just remember that, 0:06:45.040 --> 0:06:49.280 and just remember, and when you're sitting there, if somebody 0:06:49.360 --> 0:06:54.920 rolled up that you know, from the opposite circle of friends, 0:06:56.560 --> 0:07:00.040 you have to that lights witch had to go on, 0:07:00.760 --> 0:07:03.159 even if he was eating from fries or burger or taco. 0:07:03.360 --> 0:07:04.960 That lights which had to go on. That lights which 0:07:05.080 --> 0:07:08.200 go on. And you can't take that. Hell, man, you 0:07:08.200 --> 0:07:11.600 can't get molly wapped and lose your lunch. And I 0:07:11.680 --> 0:07:14.600 just remember that, and I was smiling because now I'm 0:07:14.600 --> 0:07:17.400 looking at it, I'm looking at my got two generations. 0:07:17.440 --> 0:07:20.640 Now I'm sitting there and and so we're in the 0:07:20.720 --> 0:07:23.440 car back and and I told, I told Payton, I said, 0:07:23.440 --> 0:07:28.360 you know, sitting there, I remember I never thought that 0:07:28.400 --> 0:07:32.120 I would have a son, and I'll be coming back 0:07:32.520 --> 0:07:35.600 for playing sixteen years blah blah blah. And he goes, 0:07:35.640 --> 0:07:37.480 you know what, Dad was funny as I was thinking 0:07:37.520 --> 0:07:41.680 the same thing, but I was thinking the opposite. What 0:07:41.800 --> 0:07:48.480 would it take? I wonder how would I have handled 0:07:48.560 --> 0:07:52.160 living there? Would I have been able to make it? 0:07:54.160 --> 0:07:55.960 And it was just great. He was just like, damn, 0:07:56.480 --> 0:07:58.680 he says, man, Dad, I don't know how you made it. 0:07:59.400 --> 0:08:01.960 And it was just really cool for his authenticity to 0:08:02.040 --> 0:08:05.120 kind of just not justify or make me feel good. 0:08:05.160 --> 0:08:10.080 But it was a father and a son thinking about 0:08:10.120 --> 0:08:13.880 one place the same how I made it and how 0:08:13.960 --> 0:08:17.240 he was thinking how he can't make it or what 0:08:17.440 --> 0:08:22.760 it would entail. He was just so thankful, you know, 0:08:22.880 --> 0:08:26.560 for those bruises that I experienced because of that. I 0:08:26.640 --> 0:08:29.000 just felt, you know, I just I just personally feel 0:08:29.040 --> 0:08:33.360 like to grow up always on high alert. Man. There's 0:08:33.400 --> 0:08:37.360 no way to grow up. There's no way to thank you. 0:08:37.880 --> 0:08:42.040 I wouldn't wish I wouldn't wish that on someone. And 0:08:42.080 --> 0:08:44.000 so I was it was just that cool moment that 0:08:44.040 --> 0:08:47.320 I had with my son that it wasn't something that 0:08:47.360 --> 0:08:50.520 I tried to make. It was something that just experienced it. Man, 0:08:51.480 --> 0:08:53.400 it was really cool to start off the new year, 0:08:54.360 --> 0:08:56.920 to be able to look at your you know generation, 0:08:57.040 --> 0:09:01.160 somebody that will carry on your name, that he he 0:09:01.280 --> 0:09:05.360 gets it, you know. And there's y'all are parents with 0:09:05.800 --> 0:09:10.000 kids that aren't of age of mind. I'm just telling 0:09:10.000 --> 0:09:12.959 you when you're sitting down with Tyson or me at 0:09:13.000 --> 0:09:16.000 some point, you're sitting down with Ava at some point 0:09:16.000 --> 0:09:20.480 and they go, Dad, I get it more of anything, 0:09:23.000 --> 0:09:29.920 he said, Dad, I get you. Man. That's the things 0:09:29.960 --> 0:09:34.600 that I pray for. You know what, what a great 0:09:34.960 --> 0:09:39.120 story for you to be able to share that with him. 0:09:39.160 --> 0:09:42.080 And it wasn't planned, it was undernounced. You just stopped 0:09:42.080 --> 0:09:45.360 and in that moment you were reliving what you went 0:09:45.400 --> 0:09:48.000 through and you look at Peyton and be like, yo, 0:09:48.160 --> 0:09:51.960 you don't ever have to do this. But he gets 0:09:52.000 --> 0:09:54.720 it and he understands. He didn't. Oh whatever, Dad, it 0:09:54.760 --> 0:09:56.559 ain't nothing, you know. I mean for him to see 0:09:56.559 --> 0:09:59.880 that is you don't you have no idea like want 0:10:00.040 --> 0:10:04.360 I'm not even lying like people walking by and those 0:10:04.360 --> 0:10:06.679 people walking by you just kind of like scratch your 0:10:06.720 --> 0:10:10.200 head and you know, like the way they're walking by, 0:10:10.320 --> 0:10:15.119 and you gotta think about it. It's l a Friday, 0:10:15.720 --> 0:10:22.120 like to thirty in the afternoon, right five, hydrid leaking 0:10:22.240 --> 0:10:27.960 and it's water all over the place, straight dogs, single mom, 0:10:28.200 --> 0:10:31.280 single dass. Like it's just every walk of life, every 0:10:31.360 --> 0:10:35.520 culture and just seeing it and it's your hometown and 0:10:35.600 --> 0:10:38.600 it's in your hometown is talking for you. Like we 0:10:38.600 --> 0:10:42.320 weren't at thirstree problem. No, we weren't at the highlighted places. 0:10:42.800 --> 0:10:46.440 We were off the beaten path where you know those 0:10:46.480 --> 0:10:51.080 places that you know, you when you hear about people, 0:10:52.640 --> 0:10:55.600 when you hear about people when they go back and 0:10:55.640 --> 0:10:57.320 they say, oh, such and such a from here, and 0:10:57.320 --> 0:11:00.640 they always hear that that's you know, that's what. Yeah, 0:11:00.640 --> 0:11:02.400 I think I think what you said is really like 0:11:02.440 --> 0:11:05.080 you said, that's the I don't want it to go 0:11:05.200 --> 0:11:07.560 and say it like when you say that's an answered prayer, 0:11:07.640 --> 0:11:09.440 like that's big. That's that's the things that you do 0:11:09.520 --> 0:11:12.960 pray about. That's the things when you talk about generational change, 0:11:13.040 --> 0:11:14.520 those are the things you want because at the end 0:11:14.559 --> 0:11:17.560 of the day, like it's great we do the podcast you. 0:11:17.880 --> 0:11:20.559 Everyone has their own business endeavors. You do all that stuff, 0:11:20.600 --> 0:11:23.839 and that's fantastic, and you leave a financial legacy and 0:11:23.840 --> 0:11:25.920 you do all those things. But that is what you 0:11:26.080 --> 0:11:30.200 hope for. That you can um change your lineage, you 0:11:30.240 --> 0:11:33.160 can change the generation and uh, you may have been 0:11:33.200 --> 0:11:35.640 going or family treatment have been going one way and 0:11:35.679 --> 0:11:38.000 the course corrects and go another. That's that's really what 0:11:38.040 --> 0:11:40.080 it's all about. The good days the bad days. It 0:11:40.080 --> 0:11:42.360 makes it all worth it. When you can know that 0:11:42.440 --> 0:11:45.760 your children and that you've left an impact with them, 0:11:46.360 --> 0:11:48.920 that's all that's that is. That is literally what it's about. 0:11:49.240 --> 0:11:51.880 It was really cool, right, and then I took them 0:11:51.960 --> 0:11:55.360 some other places. Uh, took them around the corner. I 0:11:55.400 --> 0:11:57.679 was showing them one of the duplexes that we grew 0:11:57.760 --> 0:12:01.439 up in UM And I have a driver's but I 0:12:01.520 --> 0:12:04.719 used to drive to school. Had a car right that 0:12:04.880 --> 0:12:09.640 I bought. I was driving to listen to this. I 0:12:09.679 --> 0:12:13.440 bought a car for two d fifty bucks, drove it 0:12:13.480 --> 0:12:15.720 to school and he used to pick up my boy, 0:12:16.960 --> 0:12:21.439 one of my homeboys, Dwayne, and got pulled over because 0:12:21.520 --> 0:12:25.280 expired tags and they didn't take they didn't arrest us. 0:12:25.320 --> 0:12:27.600 They made us pull over we had to catch the 0:12:27.679 --> 0:12:32.640 bus to school, and then we waited, caught the bus 0:12:32.720 --> 0:12:36.360 to the car, picked up the car, and then drove 0:12:36.360 --> 0:12:39.599 it on you know. And uh, but I used to 0:12:39.640 --> 0:12:42.040 hide it around the corner and go through this, go 0:12:42.160 --> 0:12:45.280 through this other apartment complex. And myself, I was like, 0:12:46.320 --> 0:12:49.880 and I was driving like four fifteen, sixteen years old. 0:12:49.920 --> 0:12:55.520 I was driving to school, no license, no insurance, no nothing. 0:12:55.640 --> 0:12:57.160 So that was just in the first week. I just 0:12:57.200 --> 0:13:00.000 imagined the rest of the y which you gonna be 0:13:00.000 --> 0:13:02.320 able to dive into those other conversations. You go ahead. 0:13:02.320 --> 0:13:03.920 That was pretty cool though, but you know, and then 0:13:05.400 --> 0:13:16.440 he's taught lawson. We were depressed ever since. Man, let 0:13:16.520 --> 0:13:21.319 me introduce our our our next guest. There's a guy 0:13:22.160 --> 0:13:25.800 who's from Flint, Michigan. They they say some of the 0:13:25.920 --> 0:13:31.560 dudes for some about of the dudes from Flint, Michigan. Man, 0:13:31.920 --> 0:13:37.319 they're tough as they come. Yeah to time, w b 0:13:37.720 --> 0:13:48.840 C super middleweight champion, professional boxer, a father, a husband, 0:13:49.400 --> 0:13:54.640 a son, a nephew, and a guy that's uh, it's 0:13:54.960 --> 0:13:58.839 really overcome a lot of things in his life. So um, 0:13:58.840 --> 0:14:03.800 cut to it. Welcome to the podcast, Anthony Derell, Thank 0:14:03.840 --> 0:14:06.839 you for coming. Thank you guys for having me and 0:14:06.960 --> 0:14:12.320 this man were Donna. We're gonna get right into it. 0:14:12.840 --> 0:14:17.160 Um Man, we got this. I love these little icebreakers 0:14:17.160 --> 0:14:21.440 show man. Just growing up? You know obviously, Uh get 0:14:21.480 --> 0:14:26.720 deeper into your story. Man, name your top three boxers 0:14:26.760 --> 0:14:32.120 growing up? Uh? Mohammed Ali is at the top of 0:14:32.160 --> 0:14:35.560 the top of the list for me. Uh you got 0:14:36.880 --> 0:14:43.880 you got uh Sweepie fill Uh, I mean I and 0:14:44.080 --> 0:14:47.120 Roy Jones. But it's so many people, man, You just 0:14:47.200 --> 0:14:52.920 I just can't name three is a tough number. Three 0:14:52.920 --> 0:14:55.480 a tough number, especially with all the grades that you know, 0:14:55.600 --> 0:15:01.720 I came by watching you know, I just can't name three. 0:15:00.880 --> 0:15:05.120 So name some other ones. But tell me why, tell 0:15:05.160 --> 0:15:09.000 me why they what? What you what did you admire 0:15:09.160 --> 0:15:14.840 about them growing up? Right? Because for me, Mike Tyson 0:15:14.920 --> 0:15:18.000 was all always that guy. He intimidated. He was short, 0:15:18.120 --> 0:15:20.880 he was stocky, he was powerful, he was quick, he 0:15:20.960 --> 0:15:25.560 was intimidating. But he was also a boxer's boxer. He 0:15:25.680 --> 0:15:30.840 was a hood boxer. He was whoever watched them, he 0:15:31.040 --> 0:15:35.440 was that individual if you if you were a businessman, 0:15:35.520 --> 0:15:40.160 he was he was. Yeah, he was an entertaining like 0:15:40.480 --> 0:15:42.760 he's gonna get you what you want, and it was 0:15:42.800 --> 0:15:46.080 gonna be. But we knew what to expect out of 0:15:46.120 --> 0:15:49.320 Mike Typon. We was younger, all our family used to 0:15:49.400 --> 0:15:53.360 go for my grandfather's house and and watch it, and 0:15:53.400 --> 0:15:55.320 it an end so quick that we just had the 0:15:55.360 --> 0:15:58.280 rest of the night just to fool around, you know, party. 0:15:58.680 --> 0:16:01.120 You know, we wasn't partying like that because as kids 0:16:01.160 --> 0:16:03.400 at the end of the at the end of the 0:16:04.080 --> 0:16:06.960 you know, late and all the grown up so you know, 0:16:07.040 --> 0:16:14.880 they get smashed, They they play cards, music, you know, 0:16:15.000 --> 0:16:17.960 all of everything. But like I say, Tyson was one 0:16:17.960 --> 0:16:19.520 of the people. You know, you knew what you was 0:16:19.560 --> 0:16:23.000 getting if you paid the pay per view fifty dollars 0:16:23.040 --> 0:16:25.000 to get it, you knew what she was getting. Your 0:16:25.280 --> 0:16:29.240 first second, first half of the fight is over. Some 0:16:29.400 --> 0:16:32.760 ficing go like that, but you know it's boxing, that's 0:16:32.800 --> 0:16:36.200 what that's what you know boxing is. And uh but 0:16:36.320 --> 0:16:40.080 I'm just happy that, you know, I I got to 0:16:40.080 --> 0:16:43.640 watch them the people growing up, you know, and learned 0:16:44.200 --> 0:16:49.320 a lot from them growing up, especially I leave to Sweepy. 0:16:49.400 --> 0:16:51.840 I mean I'm not as quick as Sweepy or as 0:16:51.880 --> 0:16:54.640 slick as he was, but you know, you always have 0:16:54.760 --> 0:16:59.240 learned something and try to imitate what he had Roy 0:16:59.320 --> 0:17:02.720 Jones and other guy. He was fast, pomp, one of 0:17:02.760 --> 0:17:06.240 the best, especially back in his day. Uh that I 0:17:06.280 --> 0:17:10.639 mean I was just there. Uh when Antonio Tarbert not 0:17:11.359 --> 0:17:14.920 Roy Jones out like that was one of the saddest moments, 0:17:15.040 --> 0:17:19.440 you know, for me and my fact, because we, yeah, 0:17:19.520 --> 0:17:22.360 we idolized Roy Jones. Man. We thought he was just 0:17:22.400 --> 0:17:25.879 the best and nobody can defeat him. But obviously it 0:17:25.960 --> 0:17:28.560 was wrong. I think what killed him was he went 0:17:28.640 --> 0:17:31.560 up to heavyweight and came back down. That really takes 0:17:31.560 --> 0:17:34.000 a toll on your body, especially losing that much weight, 0:17:34.680 --> 0:17:38.040 uh for a fight at that magnitude. Your old school 0:17:38.119 --> 0:17:40.239 we didn't, you know, we didn't play golf together and 0:17:40.280 --> 0:17:43.520 talk smack. So I know your old school cat man. 0:17:43.880 --> 0:17:46.520 Um yeah, man, some of the some of some of 0:17:46.520 --> 0:17:54.480 your cartoons, your favorite cartoons growing up. Uh ah man. 0:17:56.400 --> 0:18:00.040 I mean like like with me, I ain't watched a 0:18:00.040 --> 0:18:03.119 lot of cartoons, but I was like, I was like 0:18:03.160 --> 0:18:06.040 that that kid that like wrastling like the w W 0:18:06.160 --> 0:18:08.959 E R w w F then used to come on 0:18:08.960 --> 0:18:13.080 on Saturday Morning Superstars. Yeah, but it came on on 0:18:13.119 --> 0:18:16.560 Monday's two. And when it came on on mondays. I 0:18:16.640 --> 0:18:18.240 used to had to run to the remote, and my 0:18:18.320 --> 0:18:20.600 brother would not let me watch it if he got 0:18:20.640 --> 0:18:25.280 it first. Ye turned into the to the wrastling and 0:18:25.400 --> 0:18:27.840 if we we gotta watch Raszl because I got there first. 0:18:28.119 --> 0:18:35.240 And that's it. That's what my grandpa sailing. Yeah, I mean, 0:18:35.320 --> 0:18:37.320 and that's just what it is. That's just how you know, 0:18:38.359 --> 0:18:41.600 you know, how I grew up. I wasn't a cartoon guy. 0:18:41.680 --> 0:18:45.280 If I did, I probably watched like a Simpson's or 0:18:45.400 --> 0:18:49.040 Jimmy Neutron type thing, you know what I'm saying. But 0:18:49.359 --> 0:18:52.479 I wasn't like a big cartoon gout. I was, you know, 0:18:52.520 --> 0:18:57.320 more real. But when I first came out, I wouldn't 0:18:57.320 --> 0:19:01.600 a lot to watch that Simpsons can. Yeah, for sure. 0:19:02.320 --> 0:19:05.960 The reason I say cartoons is because I think I 0:19:06.000 --> 0:19:12.440 feel like Man Saturday cartoons. It was like bye bye, 0:19:12.520 --> 0:19:15.840 like eight. You were started about seven thirty, eight o'clock. 0:19:16.000 --> 0:19:19.040 They cut them up by thirty by noon, you was done. 0:19:19.119 --> 0:19:21.960 Now he was watchingba inside stuff right now. No no, no, no, 0:19:21.960 --> 0:19:29.920 no side no even before that Batman right yeah, same 0:19:30.080 --> 0:19:36.399 batcha same tune in what oh what was it Robert 0:19:36.840 --> 0:19:40.600 bro you're talking about? Robin had me clowning or like 0:19:40.920 --> 0:19:43.760 what Adam West? They say, what is? What are we 0:19:43.800 --> 0:19:46.359 gonna do? Batman? You know Batman want to say, shut 0:19:46.440 --> 0:19:58.440 up rightly? Porcupines? Yeah all right, um man? What's your 0:19:58.440 --> 0:20:02.439 favorite sandwich? And with that sounds what you're having when 0:20:02.520 --> 0:20:07.800 you got some chips fruit my favorite? Second, I'm gonna 0:20:07.800 --> 0:20:11.520 go turkey lettuce put some mustard on their little mayonnaise 0:20:11.560 --> 0:20:16.679 America with you know light. Uh yeah, I'm having chips, 0:20:17.160 --> 0:20:20.560 chips and probably like I don't drink like right now. 0:20:20.600 --> 0:20:23.639 I don't drink pop really like that. I just drink 0:20:23.640 --> 0:20:25.720 it sometimes just to get that burn in my throat. 0:20:26.359 --> 0:20:36.480 I wa yeah, yeah, I probably have a water okay, 0:20:38.040 --> 0:20:48.040 water water. I love cut to It and I love 0:20:48.080 --> 0:20:52.200 it even more when you download us and subscribe, and 0:20:52.680 --> 0:20:54.840 you can follow us on social media too, Smithie, where 0:20:54.920 --> 0:20:57.840 where at? That's at? Cut to It on Instagram? What 0:20:57.960 --> 0:21:03.080 about Twitter? Act? Cut to It Facebook? Cut to It 0:21:03.160 --> 0:21:07.000 featuring Steve Smith singr what about online? And you can 0:21:07.040 --> 0:21:09.720 follow us at cut to It podcast dot com where 0:21:09.920 --> 0:21:12.840 you can buy merch and you can subscribe to us 0:21:12.840 --> 0:21:16.680 wherever you listen to podcasts. I got all my answers questions. 0:21:16.760 --> 0:21:21.119 Uh yeah, I got all my questions answered. That's what 0:21:21.160 --> 0:21:25.320 I'm here for. A brother cut to a podcast dot com. 0:21:25.320 --> 0:21:27.119 All right, well we already said it, but I always 0:21:27.119 --> 0:21:28.880 like to ask, man, where are you from the place 0:21:28.920 --> 0:21:34.760 you call your hometown? Let mission always rap it. Uh. Yeah, 0:21:34.800 --> 0:21:36.720 I think it bolded me to the person that I am. 0:21:37.480 --> 0:21:41.359 He gave me doing the toughness and the confidence that 0:21:41.400 --> 0:21:44.960 I need to go on with life for sure. How 0:21:45.080 --> 0:21:48.320 how would you describe growing up in Flint? You know 0:21:48.560 --> 0:21:54.480 from your point of view? Uh, it was rough. I mean, 0:21:54.560 --> 0:21:57.800 not not as rough as now. It was definitely rough 0:21:57.920 --> 0:22:04.960 because uh, just a neighborhood, the property we lived there GM. Uh. 0:22:05.080 --> 0:22:07.520 I don't know if y'all noticed, No, y'all probably do. 0:22:07.640 --> 0:22:12.040 But GM was known for Flint, Michigan cars. Uh. A 0:22:12.040 --> 0:22:14.119 lot of people want to start their families here and 0:22:14.160 --> 0:22:17.400 move here. But now it's it's gone. But we're back 0:22:17.400 --> 0:22:20.480 then we had GM, but it's still was. You could 0:22:20.480 --> 0:22:23.320 tell a point was on the decline, especially with the 0:22:23.400 --> 0:22:26.439 murders and everything that was going on. Back then. We 0:22:26.440 --> 0:22:30.960 couldn't uh you couldn't say Flint without talking about how 0:22:31.000 --> 0:22:34.480 bad it was. And that's you know, still to this day. 0:22:34.119 --> 0:22:37.840 But it just moded me. So, like I said to 0:22:37.880 --> 0:22:41.320 the persons I am today, Uh that in my family, 0:22:41.680 --> 0:22:45.360 but uh Flint man, I always reperent today I got 0:22:45.400 --> 0:22:48.960 an a one off on my arms Flint, Michigan. You 0:22:49.000 --> 0:22:52.639 know that that's just me. You know, I think everybody 0:22:53.040 --> 0:22:56.400 from Flint, that's somebody that made it out will tell 0:22:56.440 --> 0:23:00.879 you Flynn is is home. We'll always reply. So I 0:23:00.960 --> 0:23:04.000 got a uh got homeboards from Flint. And he told 0:23:04.040 --> 0:23:07.680 me that, uh Anthony used to mop up dudes at 0:23:07.720 --> 0:23:11.399 Burston Field House when you was a young kid. And 0:23:11.440 --> 0:23:14.280 he said that Flynn has a boxing lineage that has 0:23:14.440 --> 0:23:18.679 really not talked about speak on that it is. You 0:23:18.720 --> 0:23:23.119 know we Uh Chris Burg came out out of Flint. 0:23:23.320 --> 0:23:25.320 I mean, I don't think too many people give Chris 0:23:25.320 --> 0:23:29.159 Bird credit for what you know he came. You know, 0:23:29.240 --> 0:23:32.600 he came from his daddy grades from a kid as 0:23:32.720 --> 0:23:37.320 coached him and his mama. But it's uh, it's rough man. 0:23:37.480 --> 0:23:40.840 Flynn is rough and bursting is you know, wanted the 0:23:41.240 --> 0:23:46.120 dang near the stumping ground and everybody if that's somebody 0:23:46.400 --> 0:23:50.359 then being a bursting or either ashooping boxing you know 0:23:50.760 --> 0:23:53.320 to anything football whatever. You know, they haven't been there 0:23:53.320 --> 0:23:56.280 worked out or play basketball there for sure. So how 0:23:56.320 --> 0:23:59.440 did those days at Burston, running through the streets at Flint, 0:23:59.440 --> 0:24:04.359 how did how did shape you? Uh? Just hanging around 0:24:04.359 --> 0:24:08.400 the people, you know, taught me right some wrongs, Uh everything. 0:24:08.960 --> 0:24:13.360 It's like I said, Man, it's it's home. I mean 0:24:13.680 --> 0:24:16.520 just like probably where you're from. Man, it's you know, 0:24:16.600 --> 0:24:19.600 that's home. You can always go back and feel comfortable there, 0:24:20.240 --> 0:24:23.960 Uh with anything that's going on. Um, And that's how 0:24:24.040 --> 0:24:28.760 Flint is. I'm still in Michigan. I'm about fifteen minutes 0:24:28.800 --> 0:24:31.400 from Flint, but you know, I I try to help 0:24:31.800 --> 0:24:35.320 Flint get back as much as possible. But it's hard 0:24:35.359 --> 0:24:38.560 to do it by yourself. Yeah, definitely, anything it's hard 0:24:38.560 --> 0:24:42.800 to do by yourself, especially trying to impact the community. 0:24:43.640 --> 0:24:46.160 Um that has been through a lot of the stuff 0:24:46.160 --> 0:24:49.560 Flynn has been through, you know, weather, it's uh, you 0:24:49.600 --> 0:24:53.520 know systemically, UM, lack of water, like a lack of 0:24:53.680 --> 0:24:58.080 lack of education. Um, it's it's it's really tough man. 0:24:58.240 --> 0:25:04.879 You know, I think this is Uh, I got I 0:25:04.920 --> 0:25:08.120