Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,
Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of
Speaker 1: today's best minds. And Donald Trump still hasn't withdrawn his
Speaker 1: endorsement of North Carolina gubernatorial candidate Mark Robinson. We have
Speaker 1: such a great show for you today, The Lincoln Projects.
Speaker 1: Rick Wilson, host of The Enemy's List, talks about the
Speaker 1: new lows that Trump plumbed the depths of in his
Speaker 1: Wisconsin speech. Then we will talk to Team Human host
Speaker 1: Doug Rushkoff about the update of his classic book program
Speaker 1: or B Programmed eleven Commands for the AI Future.
Speaker 2: But first the news.
Speaker 3: So Bally, there has been a thing that we kind
Speaker 3: of saw coming that Trump and the RNC are just
Speaker 3: going to file tuns of lawsuits because they think they're
Speaker 3: going to win this election by taking it up to
Speaker 3: the courts.
Speaker 4: George Bush two thousand style. You see it here.
Speaker 1: So Mark Elias of Democracy Dockett, election lawyer who worked
Speaker 1: with the Democratic Party now is on his own, actually
Speaker 1: brought attention to the Times about this story. He's been
Speaker 1: covering a lot of this and he's been fighting a
Speaker 1: lot of it in court. But what this piece talks
Speaker 1: about This is in the New York Times. Republicans are
Speaker 1: filing like a barrage of different election lawsuits. They're doing
Speaker 1: it in the hopes of working the refs. It's already
Speaker 1: worked in Georgia, where they now have hand counted ballots.
Speaker 1: The idea here is to inject fuckery, make a longer
Speaker 1: timetable so that they can so that they can do
Speaker 1: election challenges lawsuits. Look, the ultimate goal of all of
Speaker 1: these Republicans is to kick this stuff up to the
Speaker 1: Supreme Court, because Donald Trump feels that with a six
Speaker 1: to three majority, three of whom he has put in
Speaker 1: the job himself, that he can win. If he can
Speaker 1: just get it up to the courts, I think you'll
Speaker 1: see more of this, a lot of it will lose.
Speaker 1: But again, this is the structural integrity of our elections.
Speaker 1: So it's really scary, and the Republican goal is just
Speaker 1: to get them to throw out as many ballots as possible.
Speaker 2: Keep an eye on this, so Maya.
Speaker 3: Since we're the same age, I imagine your childhood was
Speaker 3: least with watching episodes of Roseanne like mine was.
Speaker 1: I'm nodding my head furiously because for us, Roseanne was,
Speaker 1: you know, a sort of Hero of the Working Man.
Speaker 1: Her sitcom was really fun to watch, and now she
Speaker 1: has become a complete lunatic, so much so that I
Speaker 1: will now do a dramatic reading.
Speaker 2: But in all of her glory, can I play Tucker? Yes?
Speaker 1: But basically the point of this story, which it's been debunked, right,
Speaker 1: nobody's eating cats and dogs?
Speaker 4: What about babies?
Speaker 2: Well, and that is and I.
Speaker 1: Think you have to be a special kind of crazy
Speaker 1: to go further. Instead of saying, well, it may or
Speaker 1: may not be true, as Jade Vance tried to spin it,
Speaker 1: it is just not true. Roseanne decided to address the
Speaker 1: migrant situation in the Haitian immigrant situation in Ohio. We
Speaker 1: know it's not true. This is all a lie. So
Speaker 1: she starts with, you know they eat the babies. That
Speaker 1: is not bullshit. It's true, by the way, again, completely untrue.
Speaker 3: While this is happening, since I'm Tucker, he was giggling
Speaker 3: and smiling like a pig and shit.
Speaker 1: And then she continues, it's not just the dogs and
Speaker 1: the cats, bar says, and she's not joking. They're full
Speaker 1: on vampires. And everyone still thinks I'm crazy. There's a
Speaker 1: reason why people think you're crazy, Roseanne. It's because you're crazy,
Speaker 1: but I'm not crazy. They're full on vampires. They love
Speaker 1: the taste of human flesh, they drink human blood. They
Speaker 1: do so again they do not. Nobody is drinking human blood.
Speaker 1: Nobody is a vampire. None of this is true.
Speaker 2: This is just.
Speaker 1: Right wing fever dream bs and it's a complete lie.
Speaker 1: And that's where we are, and that's where Carlson has fallen.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I have to say, I think we were all a
Speaker 3: little gleeful when he lost his Fox News gig. But
Speaker 3: where he's going now, he has a huge platform and
Speaker 3: he's doing shit like this.
Speaker 4: It's really really bad.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like with so many things. Yes, Tucker Carlson is
Speaker 1: not on Fox News anymore. So he's the second highest
Speaker 1: rate podcast on Spotify. He has a huge number of listeners,
Speaker 1: and he has continued to inject this far right nonsense
Speaker 1: into the mainstream. So we're all touched by it and
Speaker 1: it's affecting people, and it's really negative.
Speaker 2: Speaking of negatively affecting people.
Speaker 3: So what I saw you put this on the document
Speaker 3: that we did this segment the life fill Out of
Speaker 3: My Body that CBS News says it will be up
Speaker 3: to vance and walls to fact checked each other at
Speaker 3: the debate.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is so interesting because it's such a stupid idea.
Speaker 2: It's so bad.
Speaker 1: ABC did such a good job fact checking the debate
Speaker 1: in a very tasteful and non disruptive way. They did
Speaker 1: a few fact checks, were able to just sort of
Speaker 1: thread the needle. It was not so hard, and it
Speaker 1: made a big difference. It made such a big difference
Speaker 1: that Maga world was furious.
Speaker 2: But here's the thing.
Speaker 1: If you are not on the side of facts, you
Speaker 1: will be furious by a fact check. The answer is
Speaker 1: not to not fact check. The answer is to not lie. Right,
Speaker 1: there are right. You know they're eating the pets. They're
Speaker 1: not eating the pets, right, that's a lie. So if
Speaker 1: you don't lie, you don't have to fact check they're
Speaker 1: eating the pets. And that is why this is a
Speaker 1: terrible move on the part of CBS, and I think
Speaker 1: that it is really unfair and I think it's really stupid.
Speaker 1: It shows us how well working the refs work. If
Speaker 1: your maga and you say fact checking is against you
Speaker 1: as opposed to fact checking is that facts are against you,
Speaker 1: and you do that, then in fact it works so
Speaker 1: We're seeing Maga work the refs work the refs with CBS,
Speaker 1: and I'm really disappointed.
Speaker 3: Smile over in the Virginia's seventh congressional district, which, for
Speaker 3: people who don't know, that's the southwest below DC area,
Speaker 3: an area that is very, very contentious that this is
Speaker 3: only a D plus one district. There's some serious fuckery
Speaker 3: going on. Can you tell us what you're seeing here?
Speaker 1: Yeah, So this is a race against one of the
Speaker 1: vinmin twins. This is an open seat vacated by Abigail Spamberger.
Speaker 1: Abigail Spamberger is planning to run for governor. This a
Speaker 1: very competitive purple seat. So the anti choice Republican Derek Anderson,
Speaker 1: who's running in Virginia's seventh congressional district. He wants to
Speaker 1: appeal to women. A lot of these Republicans have started
Speaker 1: trying to appeal to women using their wives. Derek doesn't
Speaker 1: have a wife, so he borrowed another family for a
Speaker 1: weird family photoshoot. He's sort of making it look as
Speaker 1: if he has a family that he does not.
Speaker 2: I'm not surprised.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure that borrowing someone else his family will
Speaker 1: help him win the way he thinks it might.
Speaker 4: I just want to know why they can't stop being weird.
Speaker 1: I just want to know why they can't just pose
Speaker 1: with their own families. He's also engaged. Our last sort
Speaker 1: of newsy bit today features your friend and mine George Conway.
Speaker 4: Oh please tell me I forgot about this.
Speaker 1: Speaking of these Audience of One ads George Conway.
Speaker 3: And we'll have more about those with Rick Wilson in
Speaker 3: just a few minutes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but George Conway is involved in Audience of one
Speaker 1: ads and he made a big ad about a sexual
Speaker 1: assault survivor, one of Trump's many victims. You'll remember this
Speaker 1: news cycle from twenty sixteen, which seems to have been abandoned.
Speaker 1: So he did this news cycle, and he did these ads,
Speaker 1: and they are really kind of brilliant. But more importantly,
Speaker 1: they are getting in Donald Trump's head. Carolyn Levitt, Trump
Speaker 1: National campaign press secretary, said, George Conway has no idea
Speaker 1: what he's talking about and suffers from a serious case
Speaker 1: of Trump to arrangement syndrome that has rotted his brain.
Speaker 1: So congratulations, George. You can't stop winning.
Speaker 3: You're always winning. When they say you have Trump arrangement syndrome,
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Speaker 1: Rick Wilson is the founder of the Lincoln Project and
Speaker 1: host of the Enemy's List.
Speaker 4: Rick Wilson, Mully, Jong, Fast, How are you today?
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Speaker 1: Cat three hurricane.
Speaker 4: Very exciting times.
Speaker 2: Climate change is real.
Speaker 4: Well, you know, I've been told over and over again
Speaker 4: that you can't use those words anymore because Governor DeSantis
Speaker 4: has banned them from a recent state government or in education.
Speaker 4: So they don't know, they don't If you don't say
Speaker 4: the words, they don't exist, like gay and climate.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 1: I actually, because I am such a lunatic, I listened
Speaker 1: to c SPAN all the time, and so I was
Speaker 1: listening to DeSantis' presser.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you guys have in Florida.
Speaker 1: We're just going to take a second to talk about
Speaker 1: one of the kind of interesting, horrible side things from
Speaker 1: climate change is that you guys have crazy high insurance
Speaker 1: premiums in your state.
Speaker 4: And you know, luckily for the state of Florida, there's
Speaker 4: another hurricane on the way. And for the last three years,
Speaker 4: all Ron DeSantis has wanted to do in the legislature
Speaker 4: is culture war bullshit, don't say gay book burnings, taking
Speaker 4: over colleges, all these things he thought were going to
Speaker 4: get him to the White House, which didn't. But they
Speaker 4: did leave the state of Florida with the most expensive
Speaker 4: property insurance in the world.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it turns out that woke does not stop hurricanes.
Speaker 4: The War on woke has somehow, call me crazy, I
Speaker 4: don't know what this is. It somehow doesn't have any
Speaker 4: impact on actual people in the state of Florida. And look,
Speaker 4: if they're happy that the War on Woke has been
Speaker 4: such a wonderful center of everything about Ronda Santis's political career,
Speaker 4: God bless them, good luck or knock yourselves out. And look,
Speaker 4: I want to expand this a little bit too, Molly,
Speaker 4: because the bible of the War on Woke in the
Speaker 4: Future Project twenty twenty five has called for the elimination
Speaker 4: of things like the National Hurricane Center. Yeah, the National
Speaker 4: Oceanic Administration NOAH, which produces all the weather products in
Speaker 4: the country.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and of course they.
Speaker 4: Want to downsize FEMA and put it in control of
Speaker 4: the president so he can decide if people do nice
Speaker 4: to me, they will get help. If not, it will.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It is basically the plan to make the federal government
Speaker 1: an arm of the Trump campaign, which means does Trump
Speaker 1: need the Fed to cut interest rates right before an election?
Speaker 2: Maybe he does, and so he tells them to.
Speaker 1: I mean, it is a complete shittery on the highest level.
Speaker 4: At some point, we'll get the fuckery today. And that's
Speaker 4: really where my fucker he's at right now, because it
Speaker 4: really is something. This is a deliberate attack on people
Speaker 4: in a way that honestly is beyond the pale.
Speaker 1: Speaking of beyond the pail, last night, Donald Trump was
Speaker 1: in Wisconsin Swings Day, Wisconsin. Yeah, he did the weave.
Speaker 1: That's what he calls it. When he goes from subject
Speaker 1: to subject.
Speaker 4: We call that. We call that late stage dementia.
Speaker 1: And he does the weave, and he wove a lot
Speaker 1: of real fucked up stuff, including.
Speaker 4: We'll start light. Here's him talking about a fly.
Speaker 6: Can't take it any longer. Remember there's a hat that's made.
Speaker 4: It sounds like crazy. Oh, there's a fly.
Speaker 6: Oh, I wonder where the fly came from. See two
Speaker 6: years ago, I wouldn't have had a fly up here.
Speaker 6: You're changing rapidly, but we can't take it any longer.
Speaker 6: We can't take it any longer.
Speaker 4: It takes it.
Speaker 1: So that was the fly ref, the famous fly ref.
Speaker 1: And I guess he means that there wouldn't have been
Speaker 1: a fly because of climate change.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Look, actually what he's saying is that somehow the
Speaker 4: deep State has released their insect army against him.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, it's the mass It makes mathing.
Speaker 4: It's obviously the deep state. But look, anyone who disputes
Speaker 4: the absolute evidence before their eyes that Trump is increasingly
Speaker 4: deranged on the stump is you know, either an immediate
Speaker 4: Trump family member or Jason Miller. And I'm sorry, none
Speaker 4: of this, none of this makes any damn sense. But
Speaker 4: you know what, I think there's a series of things
Speaker 4: that he's going to have in the coming days that
Speaker 4: really make him continue to look completely fucking ridiculous. And
Speaker 4: he's completely fucking ridiculous.
Speaker 1: What I'm struck by when Mark Cuban, who's been become
Speaker 1: a very good Harris surrogate, talks about how Trump's people
Speaker 1: have to explain what he meant more and more.
Speaker 4: Right, the conceptual weirdness of Trump. It keeps going down
Speaker 4: this rabbit hole where normal people can't understand it. The
Speaker 4: magas believe it is some sort of secret, cryptic, magical
Speaker 4: code between themselves and Trump, and they're always like, you know,
Speaker 4: he could be saying like herbal berbal dood and they're like, well,
Speaker 4: thats well, that means, that means and it's it's bullshit
Speaker 4: and it's crazy town. But nothing about his presence on
Speaker 4: the stage anymore is rational. It all comes across as kooky.
Speaker 4: It all comes across as weird, It all comes across
Speaker 4: as unhinged and dangerous because it is right, Well, why
Speaker 4: don't we hear a little bit more of that?
Speaker 6: Joe Biden became mentally impaired.
Speaker 4: Kamala was born that way.
Speaker 6: She was born, and if you think about it, only
Speaker 6: a mentally disabled person could have allowed this to happen
Speaker 6: to our country.
Speaker 4: Anybody would know this.
Speaker 1: First of all, Harris has been a sex crimes prosecutor,
Speaker 1: an attorney's general for a state that's large enough to
Speaker 1: be the fifth largest.
Speaker 2: Economy in the world.
Speaker 1: She has been a senator, She has been the first
Speaker 1: female vice president. She's actually quite smart. And literally, it's
Speaker 1: just a racist being racist. And then also it's horrible
Speaker 1: to people who are disabled, Molly.
Speaker 4: It's also just stonking gigantic projection.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she got into his head.
Speaker 4: She got into his brain at that debate. She did
Speaker 4: more damage to Trump than the assassination attempted. Mentally, that
Speaker 4: should be something that you're absolutely like, your life crumbles
Speaker 4: around you, all that stuff, but it really didn't. He
Speaker 4: was golfing the next day, and in this case, she
Speaker 4: took him on that stage and tore his brain out
Speaker 4: and whipped it with a blender, and he can't stop
Speaker 4: thinking about it, talking about it, overreacting to it. And honestly,
Speaker 4: now we're entering the stage where the low propensity voters okay,
Speaker 4: have started to pay attention, and those low propensity voters
Speaker 4: are like, the fuck is this wait? I thought Trump
Speaker 4: was smart and funny and commanding on stage, and now
Speaker 4: you've got a sick, sad old man. And look, just
Speaker 4: as she didn't respond to his bullshit about I think
Speaker 4: she was black, and then maybe she wasn't black, and
Speaker 4: then maybe she's back decided to be black. Just like that,
Speaker 4: she shouldn't respond to this at all. It should be like, okay,
Speaker 4: crazy man, thanks, thanks for your input, Grandpa Ranty. But
Speaker 4: other than that, they should let it roll, and they
Speaker 4: should let roll all of the things, because you're starting
Speaker 4: to see out in the States they are really throwing
Speaker 4: a lot of crap at the wall now trying to
Speaker 4: figure something that sticks. So in Michigan and Wisconsin right now,
Speaker 4: their ad is like Gomla Harris wants your text dollars
Speaker 4: paid for trans prisoners, You're going to get free sex change.
Speaker 4: I'm yeah, I know. Whatever fucking focus group y'all vomited
Speaker 4: that out of was a bunch of guys with a
Speaker 4: zen pouch in when they're in their jawline and a
Speaker 4: red hat and an indifferent history of education and an
Speaker 4: eager history of inbreeding in their families. But this thing
Speaker 4: is like all of its projection on Trump's part, all
Speaker 4: of its desperation on Trump's part, and that is not
Speaker 4: going to change as we get closer, and it doesn't
Speaker 4: help them as they get closer.
Speaker 1: Right, No, I think that's a really good point. I
Speaker 1: would also add that as we're seeing Trump World just
Speaker 1: evolve into racism and craziness and I'm going to cut
Speaker 1: all your taxes. No taxes on tips, no taxes on anything,
Speaker 1: no use.
Speaker 4: You know what, listen what ever, it is such a
Speaker 4: narrow casting thing, and I'll tell you what it is.
Speaker 4: I pick this up. Apparently some donor of his told him,
Speaker 4: you'll win in Nevada if you just say no tax
Speaker 4: on tips. The problem for Trump is he's so insane
Speaker 4: that there's a certain amount of noise that just that
Speaker 4: people are like, okay, cuckoo man, that's enough, right, because
Speaker 4: he could promise, like the other day when he says
Speaker 4: maybe I'll take at a sip of paper and say
Speaker 4: when Simon trying in debt for bitcoin and there'll be
Speaker 4: no debt, and everyone watching that with two neurons to
Speaker 4: rub together, it's like, the fuck is this?
Speaker 1: I want to talk about this for a minute, because
Speaker 1: it does feel like a victory for you. You were
Speaker 1: one of the first people to ever do Audience of.
Speaker 4: One, and I was the first person.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's right, the first person to start Audience
Speaker 2: of one.
Speaker 1: And the idea here was that if you made Trump,
Speaker 1: if you just got in his head, he would start
Speaker 1: making insane decisions.
Speaker 4: Correct.
Speaker 1: Talk to me about how it feels to have George
Speaker 1: con we do it, to have all sorts of other
Speaker 1: people do it, and also to have the HAIRRISCA.
Speaker 4: That is what delights me the most is that the
Speaker 4: Harris campaign has figured out that the model that we
Speaker 4: proposed and executed starting in twenty nineteen is a thing
Speaker 4: that gives you an advantage over Trump and that he
Speaker 4: cannot shake. It makes him vulnerable because when you see
Speaker 4: Trump acting as Trump really is, it's a lot harder
Speaker 4: for those normy Republicans to say, Oh, it's either Trump
Speaker 4: or communism, and so.
Speaker 2: They can't say it.
Speaker 7: Now.
Speaker 4: It's like, well, she seems pretty normal and he's pretty crazy,
Speaker 4: and the more crazy he is, the better for America.
Speaker 1: So Jeff Flake endors this morning. Jeff Flake Arizona, Republican
Speaker 1: Senator Arizona is super important Swings Day. Does this mean
Speaker 1: you know? Mitt Romney and Jeb Bush are not far behind.
Speaker 4: Jeb will never endorse her. I can just tell you
Speaker 4: that right now from what everything I'm hearing, Jeb is
Speaker 4: a is a hard no to endorsing her. So that
Speaker 4: let's let's drop that one w has said no. But
Speaker 4: I hear a whole bunch of conflicting answers out of
Speaker 4: that world. I think Mitt Romney is strongly considering it.
Speaker 4: And at this point, as I wrote the other day
Speaker 4: to my Republican friends, like those of you who think
Speaker 4: you're sticking around in the Republican Party to influence what
Speaker 4: it becomes after Trump, you are operating from a really,
Speaker 4: really flawed assumption. For people that make up the GOP,
Speaker 4: now they loathe every one of us from the before times.
Speaker 4: We will never get to a point where the party
Speaker 4: goes back to being based on ideological principles. It's now
Speaker 4: all crazy, all the time, all of this nationalism, hyper populism,
Speaker 4: all this garbage that they believe is the most important thing,
Speaker 4: the Rond de Santis model. And so it's important to
Speaker 4: understand we're not going to get to go back in
Speaker 4: time and fix the GOP. If you want a conservative
Speaker 4: party in the future, right now, the play is to
Speaker 4: break from the Republican Party. So then in the future
Speaker 4: you can say, listen, I put country over party at
Speaker 4: the most important moment in time, I came out and
Speaker 4: I threw everything, everything to the wind, and I said
Speaker 4: I'm going to vote for Kamala Harris, even though I
Speaker 4: disagreed with her on a lot of fundamental questions. I
Speaker 4: didn't believe that she was going to destroy the country,
Speaker 4: and that's what Trump would have done. And to have
Speaker 4: credibility to rebuild a center right party, you have to
Speaker 4: repudiate Trump before he is out politically. You have to
Speaker 4: do it now.
Speaker 1: Not Yeah, no, I agree. It's not clear to me
Speaker 1: that the Republican Party doesn't. You know, eventually there'll be
Speaker 1: someone there to rebuild it, and someone like if you've
Speaker 1: been trumpy or if you've been going along with it,
Speaker 1: you're not necessarily going to be that person.
Speaker 4: Listen. Jd Vance is already already whispering to people like, well,
Speaker 4: you know, well, if we were just running on this
Speaker 4: ticket without Trump, it would be an amazing populist movement
Speaker 4: and we'd be winning by a billion points. I disagree,
Speaker 4: But what it tells you is their ambition is to
Speaker 4: go forward from here using the Trump model, using the
Speaker 4: Project twenty twenty five model.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 1: It's a fascinating gambit, especially because we all know that
Speaker 1: trump Ism without Trump has largely just absolutely destroyed itself.
Speaker 4: Trump Ism without Trump does not scale. Trump Ism without
Speaker 4: Trump is Mark Robinson.
Speaker 1: By the way, Trump still has withdrawn his Mark Robinson endorsement.
Speaker 4: By the way, did you catch that jd Vance when
Speaker 4: he was asking about Mark Robinson this weekend? That looked
Speaker 4: like he had shoved a live otter up his ass
Speaker 4: and it was squirming to get out. My god, how can.
Speaker 2: You not be prepared for this? I mean, the guy
Speaker 2: right like you, what you're gonna say when people ask
Speaker 2: you about Mark Robinson?
Speaker 4: And all jd Vance had to say was I stand
Speaker 4: with the President. I started with Donald Trump. That's all
Speaker 4: he had to say. And you know what, people would
Speaker 4: have gone blah blah blah, but instead he's up there
Speaker 4: flipping and squirming and it's just like, oh, I mean,
Speaker 4: I just I'm going to say this. For the tenth
Speaker 4: time I have been in politics my entire life, I
Speaker 4: have never seen a candidate as bad at this work
Speaker 4: as jd Vance.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's wonderful.
Speaker 4: He makes Sarah Palin look like golden my ear. He's
Speaker 4: a astounding He's an astounding claude in every way.
Speaker 1: He makes Sarah pale and look like gold in my air.
Speaker 1: I mean, that might be a bumper sticker right there,
Speaker 1: a T shirt something to put on a golden necklace,
Speaker 1: a trimp stamp, right, a tramp stamp.
Speaker 2: Were allowed to say that. I don't think we're left.
Speaker 4: We are we are You can say trip st a
Speaker 4: tramp stamp.
Speaker 1: Oh, I don't think it was very feminist, but okay,
Speaker 1: but yes, yeah.
Speaker 4: But I have a tattoo of f A Hayek on
Speaker 4: my back.
Speaker 1: But I do think it's a really good point, which
Speaker 1: is there is no and again, like when Trump ran
Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen, there was Trump and there was a
Speaker 1: Republican Party. Now it's almost a decade later, we've all
Speaker 1: aged quite significantly.
Speaker 4: I've aged thirty five years in that decade. But yeah,
Speaker 4: I have.
Speaker 1: Bags under my eyes. I literally never had bags under
Speaker 1: my eyes. I you know, I go get TV makeup
Speaker 1: and they can't. It takes them like a half an
Speaker 1: hour just to address the bags. So we've all gotten
Speaker 1: much much older. But the Republican Party is basically now
Speaker 1: Trump is if you have fialty to Trump, you are
Speaker 1: allowed to stay, and if.
Speaker 2: You don't, you're out.
Speaker 4: Yep, that is correct.
Speaker 1: So you've got Mark Robinson, You've got you know, Jady Vans.
Speaker 1: I mean, you don't have like there are no young
Speaker 1: stars in the party.
Speaker 4: Oh god, no, I mean. And the people that think
Speaker 4: they are rising stars are all very contingent on Trump.
Speaker 4: Sarah Huckabee thinks she is a rising star in the party.
Speaker 4: Christinoam still even after dog murder, thinks she's a rising
Speaker 4: star in the party. And the people that also think
Speaker 4: they have an option, like Nicki Haley. Nicki Haley thinks
Speaker 4: she's a rising star and that she's going to be
Speaker 4: the next nominee and she's wrong. Yeah, I'll explain this
Speaker 4: to Republicans since twenty sixteen. Once you cross him, even
Speaker 4: if you go and kiss his ass later, at some point,
Speaker 4: he will fuck you in the future just to humiliate you.
Speaker 4: Watch what happens the day after election Day with Vance. Yeah,
Speaker 4: they will say I thought JD would be better on TV,
Speaker 4: but he sucked. Turned out he was still a rhinoshel
Speaker 4: They won't ever escape. And Nicki Haley, because she said
Speaker 4: mean things about Trump, her opponents from them in any
Speaker 4: Republican primary in the future are going to run ads
Speaker 4: saying remember when Nikki Haley attacked our president. Yeah, remember
Speaker 4: what she said that he was incompetent, insane, That's why
Speaker 4: Harris won. And now we live in Marxist socialism, the
Speaker 4: ads right themselves for.
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Speaker 1: Doug rush Gooff is the author of many many books,
Speaker 1: including The Update of program or B Programmed eleven Commands
Speaker 1: for the AI Future, Welcome back to Fast Politics.
Speaker 5: Thank you, it's a whole new Fast Politics. Congratulations on
Speaker 5: fourth day. I was just thinking you could record those
Speaker 5: like during your like two hour nap between Stephanie Rule
Speaker 5: and Morning Joe.
Speaker 4: From the Room.
Speaker 1: I did fall asleep yesterday on the sofa which I
Speaker 1: was with a teenager and they were talking to me,
Speaker 1: and then I was like, you know, I could just
Speaker 1: close my eyes and no one will notice.
Speaker 2: So Doug, tell me about this book.
Speaker 5: All right, I just want to talk about you. That's
Speaker 5: what I'm terrible.
Speaker 2: I'm great.
Speaker 5: You know this book. I was thinking about how you're
Speaker 5: reading the news now, right, and it made.
Speaker 4: Me think of this book.
Speaker 5: Actually, because the value add of you reading the news
Speaker 5: like a Mike Schmidt article or something is not that
Speaker 5: we can't get that information, that data ourselves. It's that
Speaker 5: we listen to how agitated you are by Mike Schmidt
Speaker 5: might have written in order to gauge how concerned we
Speaker 5: should be.
Speaker 4: Right, So we are getting the.
Speaker 5: News of the day as metabolized by Molly john fast
Speaker 5: nervous system. Right, that's the human value of media. And
Speaker 5: what I was always concerned about was this shift that
Speaker 5: we're valuing you know, the data over the human or
Speaker 5: doubt that the content over the context, you know, And
Speaker 5: that was really what set me on this whole journey.
Speaker 5: So yeah, so I wrote this book This was fifteen
Speaker 5: years ago called Programmer b Programmed. It was ten Commands
Speaker 5: for the digital age, and I was kind of trying
Speaker 5: to update the ten Commandments as these passive things for
Speaker 5: the age of text to tend commands for this more active,
Speaker 5: interactive age. And I was arguing, if you don't know
Speaker 5: how these things work, they're gonna be working you right,
Speaker 5: You're going to be the tool rather than the tool user.
Speaker 5: Fifteen years ago, though, the way the book got interpreted
Speaker 5: was like learn to code right.
Speaker 7: Nobody got the liberal arts critical thinking metaphor, and I
Speaker 7: became like this hero of like the digital you know,
Speaker 7: boot camp online, care to stem education, get rid of
Speaker 7: those liberal arts.
Speaker 5: It was like, oh my god. When it was actually
Speaker 5: a call for you know, liberal arts and maybe a
Speaker 5: little bit of Marx right.
Speaker 2: Berl Arts and a little bit of marks, that's good.
Speaker 5: Yeah, automation was reducing our agency, you know that with
Speaker 5: the human beings are being understood in terms of utility value,
Speaker 5: like programming humans, like auto tuning our music, right, auto tuning.
Speaker 5: I mean you could auto tune Ariana Grande, but don't
Speaker 5: auto tune James Brown right, him reaching up for the note.
Speaker 5: That's literally the soul, that's what we're listening for, and
Speaker 5: that we were moving into a world where we saw
Speaker 5: that reaching up for the note as the noise and
Speaker 5: the noted sofa is the signal. And I was trying
Speaker 5: to argue the opposite, that we can program this reality.
Speaker 5: But that was back in the age of early early Facebook.
Speaker 5: Right this is before Facebook even turned pure evil. It's
Speaker 5: when he was innocently doing evil rather than consciously doing evil.
Speaker 5: But AI, like back then, compared to artificial intelligence, like
Speaker 5: social media, was kind of like the missionaries, you know,
Speaker 5: that came to Americas and softened up the population, got
Speaker 5: a lot of intelligence on them, and then reported back
Speaker 5: to the crown that AI is like the conquistadors, right
Speaker 5: use for that information to actually come and squish us.
Speaker 5: So it's like, finally, now with AI, people are ready
Speaker 5: to understand what I was trying to say then, that
Speaker 5: you can either be a programming human who's programming the
Speaker 5: world that you live in, or you can accept these
Speaker 5: programs at face value and basically be enslaved by them.
Speaker 5: And we're at a really critical juncture that way right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and again, what you're talking about here is aggregation
Speaker 1: right to.
Speaker 5: A large extent. Yeah, I mean, it's really being able
Speaker 5: to see that the digital platform or environment that you're
Speaker 5: in has been programmed with really specific biases. These are
Speaker 5: not neutral territories. These are places that tilt in certain ways,
Speaker 5: like those of us on the on the so called left,
Speaker 5: although I don't even know if we'd be considered left
Speaker 5: compared to the original real left. We're like and yeah,
Speaker 5: you sit on a place like Twitter and it's hard
Speaker 5: to know. I mean, I just went. I had hadn't
Speaker 5: been on Twitter really since like the second week of
Speaker 5: Musky and Twitter, and I went back because a friend
Speaker 5: of mine's group, one of the Kamala for you know
Speaker 5: the people I forgot which one it was, you know,
Speaker 5: deadheads for Kamala or dude one of those groups had
Speaker 5: gotten like kicked off, and I wanted to.
Speaker 2: See, Oh it was Dude's Yeah it was Dude.
Speaker 5: Was it Shadow or this or that? And I went
Speaker 5: and I hadn't seen it in the year. I'm like,
Speaker 5: oh my god, this is like, this is what jacque
Speaker 5: Alul meant by a propagandistic universe, the landscape itself. I
Speaker 5: don't subscribe to Musk as one of my Twitter people
Speaker 5: yet he's got every other post is from him, right,
Speaker 5: that he's controlling this world where even if you're in
Speaker 5: a little progressive conversation somewhere, the ads that come in
Speaker 5: are the worst, most awful, violent, right wing insanity or
Speaker 5: bot stuff. So it's as if the are you're breathing
Speaker 5: in this environment is controlled by the feudalist dude who's
Speaker 5: running the thing, the content, the context, the whole space
Speaker 5: is tilted, and then that other things are actually banned.
Speaker 5: And this is supposedly this freezepeech open platform. It's like
Speaker 5: if you don't understand how programmed it is, and you
Speaker 5: just you spend time in there, your understanding of what's
Speaker 5: happening in the world, you know, really really changes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think that's right.
Speaker 1: Why is there no transparency when it comes to the algorithm?
Speaker 1: And actually we were just talking about this with another
Speaker 1: interview that maybe Elon is so all over the place
Speaker 1: because there's because that site has degraded so much. I
Speaker 1: wonder if it's sort of a less focused than say
Speaker 1: a TikTok, which has this sort of incredibly sensitive algorithm.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 5: Well, I mean, I think part of the problem with
Speaker 5: x there's incompetence and mental illness kind of combining. So
Speaker 5: it's intentional, but it's not as articulated as a place
Speaker 5: like TikTok, where there's you know, tremendous competence in programming
Speaker 5: that environment. And I keep thinking that the underlying problem,
Speaker 5: and I hate blaming everything on capitalism, but the underlying
Speaker 5: problem in some ways is the una acknowledged operating system
Speaker 5: underneath everything. The reason I wrote programmer every program was
Speaker 5: partly for us to be able to deal with this
Speaker 5: universe and to have these sort of simple commands, you know,
Speaker 5: to understand you you don't have to choose one of
Speaker 5: the above, that you can acknowledge your complexity, that not
Speaker 5: everything happens at scale, you know, these sort of ten
Speaker 5: simple ideas. But for the developers and programmers, I wanted
Speaker 5: them to understand that there's an unacknowledged operating system underneath
Speaker 5: all of these platforms, and that is extractive growth based
Speaker 5: exponential capitalism. That yes, every program you write, sure it
Speaker 5: should have a good interface and serve people and do this,
Speaker 5: but it should be capable of growing exponentially forever, right,
Speaker 5: And that's only a certain kind of program is going
Speaker 5: to do that. Right, grow exponentially forever means oh, it
Speaker 5: must function like cancer. It must eventually destroy its host.
Speaker 5: So Twitters it has to destroy. If it wants to
Speaker 5: be the virtual version of the public square, it has
Speaker 5: to extract all value from the public square and leave
Speaker 5: a carcass behind it. I mean that was what ended
Speaker 5: up being their philosophy's in Survival of the Richest, my
Speaker 5: more recent book, it was that, Oh, they're realizing this,
Speaker 5: which is why they're going to lift off from the planet,
Speaker 5: which is why they see humanity as the maggot larval
Speaker 5: stage of evolution and themselves as the flies you know,
Speaker 5: that get off this big dung keep that is planet Earth.
Speaker 5: But it's all because they can't see the programs that
Speaker 5: they're working with, and that's because they lack this critical thinking,
Speaker 5: this sort of basic liberal arts.
Speaker 1: Interesting, you were sort of right about these tech billionaires.
Speaker 5: Turns out, I mean, yeah.
Speaker 2: Does that bring you any joy?
Speaker 5: Or now it brings me joy in that Honestly. By
Speaker 5: nineteen ninety three, after my year of raving with the
Speaker 5: kids making fractal, I said, I saw Wired Magazine's first
Speaker 5: issue and I said, uh, oh, someone else is trying
Speaker 5: to kind of recontextualize this people's renaissance into a business revolution,
Speaker 5: and the window of opportunity for us to really seize
Speaker 5: what this is about is going to close, and we're
Speaker 5: all going to get programmed into oblivion and worse, I
Speaker 5: guess you know. And that's why I'm happy this book
Speaker 5: came out again.
Speaker 2: Now this is a reissue, right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, fifteenth anniversary reissue, a program or reprogrammed with a
Speaker 5: whole new command and eleventh command about artificial intelligence, arguing
Speaker 5: that we value the human. But then this afterward that
Speaker 5: I wrote at the last minute, where I realized that
Speaker 5: that we on the progressive left have ended up absorbing
Speaker 5: some of this same digital ethos about engineering human beings.
Speaker 5: I'm at Climate Week at all these things, and every
Speaker 5: single talk and panel I keep hearing people say, how
Speaker 5: do we get people to finally do this? How are
Speaker 5: we going to get people to do that? And it's like,
Speaker 5: once you're saying how do we get people too, you're
Speaker 5: in the programmer's mindset. You're not treating them as humans.
Speaker 5: So I'm arguing, is instead of trying to implement something
Speaker 5: by by instrumentalizing human beings to your cause, instead try
Speaker 5: to engender the behaviors you want, try to develop a
Speaker 5: landscape that engenders these kind of pro human qualities. What
Speaker 5: I started to do is look at well, why do
Speaker 5: you do that? And then I came up with these
Speaker 5: four interventions that really makes sense, almost as a kind
Speaker 5: of a liberal arts approach to politics, where first one
Speaker 5: is just denaturalized power right, help people see the difference
Speaker 5: between the given circumstances of reality and the social constructions
Speaker 5: that have been imposed on us. Like I was doing
Speaker 5: Jake Tapper the other night. I mean, bless him, he's
Speaker 5: a good guy and all, but I get in this
Speaker 5: mood and he was trying to get me to say
Speaker 5: bad things about AI and I was just feeling AI stupid.
Speaker 5: I don't really care about it today. And then finally
Speaker 5: he said, well, what about the unemployment problem? And I
Speaker 5: said back, I said, well what about the unemployment solution?
Speaker 5: He's like huh, And I'm like, well, I don't really
Speaker 5: want a job. Does anyone want a job?
Speaker 4: I don't want a job.
Speaker 5: I want stuff, I want money, I want meaning, but
Speaker 5: I could live without a job. Where did jobs come from?
Speaker 5: And then you go back to late medievalism and you
Speaker 5: find out, oh, jobs came along with the charter monopoly
Speaker 5: where doing business for yourself was illegal. Now you had
Speaker 5: to go work by the hour. It's when they put
Speaker 5: the clock on the tower, right, that's denaturalizing power. It's
Speaker 5: what media theorists love to do to say, since when,
Speaker 5: since when was it like this?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 5: And then that leads to the second one, which is
Speaker 5: like to trigger people's agency, And that's you know, how
Speaker 5: do you help people see that they once it is
Speaker 5: a social construction. Once this money? Where did money come from?
Speaker 5: Who's programming my money? Could I have a different kind
Speaker 5: of money? Could we make local currency? That's triggering agency?
Speaker 5: And once you do that, it leads to well, if
Speaker 5: I have my agency, I don't want to do this alone.
Speaker 5: If I'm going to make new money, I'm going to
Speaker 5: need other people. So we resocialize the people. I kind
Speaker 5: of call it like put the social back into socialism.
Speaker 5: I don't like the ism of it, but the social
Speaker 5: You got to put up a picture of your kid
Speaker 5: graduating from school. You've got to get a drill. You're
Speaker 5: going to go to the home depot and buy a
Speaker 5: minimum viable product drill or are you going to borrow a drill?
Speaker 5: From your neighbor.
Speaker 2: Let's come back for a minute.
Speaker 1: We're in this weird moment in American life where I
Speaker 1: don't know what AI can do. I have some sense
Speaker 1: that my Google searches look a little better now, but
Speaker 1: I have no sense of really what AI can do.
Speaker 1: It feels like we're on the precipice of something that
Speaker 1: could be quite bad or could be quite good. So
Speaker 1: explain to us sort of where we are at this
Speaker 1: moment with the AI, and if you want to tell
Speaker 1: us what it's going to do, that's fine too.
Speaker 5: The jury's out on AI, just like the jury's still
Speaker 5: out on the Internet, just like the jury's still out.
Speaker 5: I guess I'm the industrial age, right. Aren't we going
Speaker 5: to to promote human and other earthling flourishing? Or are
Speaker 5: we gonna double down on extraction and death. It's funny
Speaker 5: I find AI is both better and worse than people think.
Speaker 5: I mean, AI is simply the realization of al Gore's
Speaker 5: original dream for the Internet. Right what al Gore said
Speaker 5: way back when. I know he didn't build the Internet,
Speaker 5: but he really did lead to its funding. He said,
Speaker 5: I bet we already have all the solutions to all
Speaker 5: of our greatest problems. We just don't know how to
Speaker 5: put the data together. This scientist doesn't know that one.
Speaker 5: This politician doesn't know that policy and what the Internet
Speaker 5: was supposed to do was allow all those ideas to
Speaker 5: come together and be utilized. Google search was not enough
Speaker 5: to do that. Google search is like casting out with
Speaker 5: a fishing rod into the ocean and hoping that you
Speaker 5: find something. What AI can do is bring those data
Speaker 5: points together in a way that you can see and
Speaker 5: a value them. So it's not replacing the human creation
Speaker 5: of the activity the way we're using it and say entertainment,
Speaker 5: you know, to get rid of actors or get rid
Speaker 5: of screenwriters. But it can amalgamate stuff. It can draw
Speaker 5: together ideas that we wouldn't have been able to do.
Speaker 5: It can find these eight symptoms seem to actually lead
Speaker 5: to this particular disease or centric. It can do things
Speaker 5: that our brains aren't quite big enough to do that
Speaker 5: would be so powerful. But it's going to require us
Speaker 5: understanding data differently. We're going to have to really understand
Speaker 5: data as more of a commons that we can use
Speaker 5: to figure things out together, rather than this proprietary bunch
Speaker 5: of IP and surveillance and nuttiness. So I'm not really
Speaker 5: worried about AI.
Speaker 1: Tending American democracy or or let me rephrase, killing all
Speaker 1: of us.
Speaker 5: No, I'm not if you want some safeguards around this,
Speaker 5: and it sounds so either I don't know, old new
Speaker 5: age or mushroom influenced or something, but you know, make
Speaker 5: real relationships with other people, learn how to make eye contact,
Speaker 5: learn how to be with and breathe with other people.
Speaker 5: If AI is going to be turned against us, it's
Speaker 5: going to be used like the internet's being used to
Speaker 5: decalibrate us, right, to alienate us from one another so
Speaker 5: that we're better customers, more frightened voters, and more manipulable.
Speaker 5: And you can recalibrate yourself in ten seconds by just
Speaker 5: holding someone's hand and looking in their eyes and keeping
Speaker 5: your feet on the ground. I mean, even if you're
Speaker 5: freaking out when you're tweeting, just stop for a second,
Speaker 5: stand up with your feet on the ground, and take
Speaker 5: two deep breaths in through your nose out through your mouth.
Speaker 5: You'll recalibrate your nervous system and musk will look different
Speaker 5: to you.
Speaker 2: You're saying that we should all touch grass.
Speaker 5: Touch grass, right. That is the actual, natural, real way
Speaker 5: we have of defragging the hard drive or re starting
Speaker 5: our operating system. To people today, going outside and touching
Speaker 5: grass is probably as profound as like getting shock treatment
Speaker 5: in the nineteen fifty.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's no grass to touch where I live,
Speaker 1: so I mean, I guess I couldn't.
Speaker 5: But there's people. There's a child, yes.
Speaker 2: Theoretical, yes they're not children anymore, but I do.
Speaker 5: Have them, yeah, or humans, it really does. I just
Speaker 5: play it. I do it on the street of New York.
Speaker 5: I walk around and play this game. I try to
Speaker 5: make eye contact to try to find someone who's not
Speaker 5: on their phone and then just have that moment. It's
Speaker 5: like in body snatchers when you see another one who's
Speaker 5: not snatched yet. It's like wink, weak, nudge, nudge, I'm.
Speaker 4: Here, are you? You know?
Speaker 5: It's not even a flirt. It's just like there's another
Speaker 5: living human. It does settle you do. But that's again
Speaker 5: that's why sorry, I don't mean to just compliment you.
Speaker 5: It's why people listen to to fast politics. Fast It's
Speaker 5: true because it's like it's human. It's just breathe with us.
Speaker 5: You're you're helping us metabolize the shock and horror of
Speaker 5: living in this age. And somehow it doesn't make it okay,
Speaker 5: but it makes me less vulnerable to the programming, to
Speaker 5: the programming that's trying to keep me tense and upset
Speaker 5: and decalibrate it. So it's it's a precursor to being
Speaker 5: able to program my own experience of this life.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so true. Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 5: Thank you, thank you for what you do. I'm here
Speaker 5: anytime for anything, whether I get credit or not. I
Speaker 5: really I support this effort.
Speaker 4: No moment time. Rick Wilson, Well, the jong Fast my
Speaker 4: moments of fuckery this week does return, as we talked
Speaker 4: about earlier in the show, to Project twenty twenty five
Speaker 4: and the Heritage Foundation, who did this plan on Donald
Speaker 4: Trump's behalf and behest. And anytime you hear someone say
Speaker 4: Trump is to separated himself from twenty twenty, it's a lie, people,
Speaker 4: It's a fucking lie. But the thing that's in that plan,
Speaker 4: I want everybody this week who is suffering from the terrible,
Speaker 4: damnag which the hurricane has done in Florida, in Georgia,
Speaker 4: and most specifically in North Carolina, where the damage to
Speaker 4: western North Carolina, part of the country I truly love
Speaker 4: and I spent a lot of my time in in.
Speaker 2: My life, and you used to have a house in Yeah.
Speaker 1: It sorry, that was so mean.
Speaker 4: I know. It's a very sad outcome. Yeah, and it's
Speaker 4: a terrible moment for everyone. But Project twenty twenty five,
Speaker 4: on its own pages, in its own words, wants to
Speaker 4: eliminate Noah, which is the weather for Service. They want
Speaker 4: to eliminate the National Hurricane Center because it uses the
Speaker 4: phrase a climate change maybe driving the intensity of these storms.
Speaker 4: They want to eliminate FEMA or move FEMA so that
Speaker 4: the president controls FEMA. I am sorry, but if you
Speaker 4: buy in to getting rid of Noah and the Hurricane
Speaker 4: Center and FEMA, you are putting the lives of the
Speaker 4: people in these states that are increasingly facing these storms
Speaker 4: at risk. So that Project twenty twenty five continuing catalog
Speaker 4: of fuckery.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and my they fuckery is actually related, tangentially related
Speaker 1: to yours, which is that what has burst from this hurricane,
Speaker 1: which I think is such a great example of like
Speaker 1: it mirrors what happened with the pandemic, is that we
Speaker 1: have all of these lies from magaworld saying that weather modification,
Speaker 1: that the hurricane appeared from nowhere, that you know that
Speaker 1: this was somehow not a real natural event, but somehow
Speaker 1: caused by Democrats or in some way targeting MAGA.
Speaker 2: We think of it as laughably untrue.
Speaker 1: But we thought about Donald Trump as laughably untrue in
Speaker 1: twenty fifteen, and then he became president. So all of
Speaker 1: this post truth stuff, well it's ridiculous. It can lead
Speaker 1: to really bleak you know, those people who believed QAnon
Speaker 1: and hurt people, you know, who believed QAnon was real
Speaker 1: and then when and hurt people. This can happen through
Speaker 1: this kind of on reality. So that, in fact, is
Speaker 1: my moment of reckery.
Speaker 4: And Molly just a correlaor to to that bit. Right there,
Speaker 4: I'm seeing all over social media the claim by magas
Speaker 4: like Roy Cooper in North Carolina and Joe Biden have
Speaker 4: cut off North Carolina. They're not supporting us. They won't
Speaker 4: declare an emergency, you dumb motherfuckers. They declared an emergency
Speaker 4: before the storm even hit. FEMA is their enforce, National
Speaker 4: Guard is their in force. It's an astounding lie, but
Speaker 4: that's what they do.
Speaker 2: Yep. Exactly. Thank you, Rick Wilson.
Speaker 4: I will see you, Molly John Fast in Boston, Massachusetts.
Speaker 4: Here we go, then Philly, then DC and the Philly
Speaker 4: Show is all nude.
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