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<v Speaker 1>Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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<v Speaker 1>where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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<v Speaker 1>today's best minds. And Donald Trump still hasn't withdrawn his

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<v Speaker 1>endorsement of North Carolina gubernatorial candidate Mark Robinson. We have

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<v Speaker 1>such a great show for you today, The Lincoln Projects.

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<v Speaker 1>Rick Wilson, host of The Enemy's List, talks about the

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<v Speaker 1>new lows that Trump plumbed the depths of in his

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<v Speaker 1>Wisconsin speech. Then we will talk to Team Human host

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<v Speaker 1>Doug Rushkoff about the update of his classic book program

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<v Speaker 1>or B Programmed eleven Commands for the AI Future.

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<v Speaker 2>But first the news.

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<v Speaker 3>So Bally, there has been a thing that we kind

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<v Speaker 3>of saw coming that Trump and the RNC are just

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<v Speaker 3>going to file tuns of lawsuits because they think they're

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<v Speaker 3>going to win this election by taking it up to

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<v Speaker 3>the courts.

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<v Speaker 4>George Bush two thousand style. You see it here.

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<v Speaker 1>So Mark Elias of Democracy Dockett, election lawyer who worked

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<v Speaker 1>with the Democratic Party now is on his own, actually

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<v Speaker 1>brought attention to the Times about this story. He's been

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<v Speaker 1>covering a lot of this and he's been fighting a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of it in court. But what this piece talks

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<v Speaker 1>about This is in the New York Times. Republicans are

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<v Speaker 1>filing like a barrage of different election lawsuits. They're doing

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<v Speaker 1>it in the hopes of working the refs. It's already

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<v Speaker 1>worked in Georgia, where they now have hand counted ballots.

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<v Speaker 1>The idea here is to inject fuckery, make a longer

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<v Speaker 1>timetable so that they can so that they can do

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<v Speaker 1>election challenges lawsuits. Look, the ultimate goal of all of

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<v Speaker 1>these Republicans is to kick this stuff up to the

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<v Speaker 1>Supreme Court, because Donald Trump feels that with a six

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<v Speaker 1>to three majority, three of whom he has put in

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<v Speaker 1>the job himself, that he can win. If he can

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<v Speaker 1>just get it up to the courts, I think you'll

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<v Speaker 1>see more of this, a lot of it will lose.

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<v Speaker 1>But again, this is the structural integrity of our elections.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's really scary, and the Republican goal is just

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<v Speaker 1>to get them to throw out as many ballots as possible.

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<v Speaker 2>Keep an eye on this, so Maya.

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<v Speaker 3>Since we're the same age, I imagine your childhood was

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<v Speaker 3>least with watching episodes of Roseanne like mine was.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm nodding my head furiously because for us, Roseanne was,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, a sort of Hero of the Working Man.

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<v Speaker 1>Her sitcom was really fun to watch, and now she

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<v Speaker 1>has become a complete lunatic, so much so that I

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<v Speaker 1>will now do a dramatic reading.

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<v Speaker 2>But in all of her glory, can I play Tucker? Yes?

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<v Speaker 1>But basically the point of this story, which it's been debunked, right,

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<v Speaker 1>nobody's eating cats and dogs?

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<v Speaker 4>What about babies?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and that is and I.

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<v Speaker 1>Think you have to be a special kind of crazy

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<v Speaker 1>to go further. Instead of saying, well, it may or

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<v Speaker 1>may not be true, as Jade Vance tried to spin it,

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<v Speaker 1>it is just not true. Roseanne decided to address the

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<v Speaker 1>migrant situation in the Haitian immigrant situation in Ohio. We

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<v Speaker 1>know it's not true. This is all a lie. So

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<v Speaker 1>she starts with, you know they eat the babies. That

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<v Speaker 1>is not bullshit. It's true, by the way, again, completely untrue.

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<v Speaker 3>While this is happening, since I'm Tucker, he was giggling

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<v Speaker 3>and smiling like a pig and shit.

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<v Speaker 1>And then she continues, it's not just the dogs and

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<v Speaker 1>the cats, bar says, and she's not joking. They're full

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<v Speaker 1>on vampires. And everyone still thinks I'm crazy. There's a

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<v Speaker 1>reason why people think you're crazy, Roseanne. It's because you're crazy,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm not crazy. They're full on vampires. They love

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<v Speaker 1>the taste of human flesh, they drink human blood. They

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<v Speaker 1>do so again they do not. Nobody is drinking human blood.

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<v Speaker 1>Nobody is a vampire. None of this is true.

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<v Speaker 2>This is just.

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<v Speaker 1>Right wing fever dream bs and it's a complete lie.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's where we are, and that's where Carlson has fallen.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I have to say, I think we were all a

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<v Speaker 3>little gleeful when he lost his Fox News gig. But

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<v Speaker 3>where he's going now, he has a huge platform and

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<v Speaker 3>he's doing shit like this.

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<v Speaker 4>It's really really bad.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like with so many things. Yes, Tucker Carlson is

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<v Speaker 1>not on Fox News anymore. So he's the second highest

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<v Speaker 1>rate podcast on Spotify. He has a huge number of listeners,

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<v Speaker 1>and he has continued to inject this far right nonsense

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<v Speaker 1>into the mainstream. So we're all touched by it and

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<v Speaker 1>it's affecting people, and it's really negative.

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<v Speaker 2>Speaking of negatively affecting people.

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<v Speaker 3>So what I saw you put this on the document

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<v Speaker 3>that we did this segment the life fill Out of

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<v Speaker 3>My Body that CBS News says it will be up

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<v Speaker 3>to vance and walls to fact checked each other at

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<v Speaker 3>the debate.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this is so interesting because it's such a stupid idea.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so bad.

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<v Speaker 1>ABC did such a good job fact checking the debate

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<v Speaker 1>in a very tasteful and non disruptive way. They did

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<v Speaker 1>a few fact checks, were able to just sort of

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<v Speaker 1>thread the needle. It was not so hard, and it

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<v Speaker 1>made a big difference. It made such a big difference

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<v Speaker 1>that Maga world was furious.

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<v Speaker 2>But here's the thing.

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<v Speaker 1>If you are not on the side of facts, you

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<v Speaker 1>will be furious by a fact check. The answer is

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<v Speaker 1>not to not fact check. The answer is to not lie. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>there are right. You know they're eating the pets. They're

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<v Speaker 1>not eating the pets, right, that's a lie. So if

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<v Speaker 1>you don't lie, you don't have to fact check they're

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<v Speaker 1>eating the pets. And that is why this is a

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<v Speaker 1>terrible move on the part of CBS, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>that it is really unfair and I think it's really stupid.

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<v Speaker 1>It shows us how well working the refs work. If

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<v Speaker 1>your maga and you say fact checking is against you

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<v Speaker 1>as opposed to fact checking is that facts are against you,

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<v Speaker 1>and you do that, then in fact it works so

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<v Speaker 1>We're seeing Maga work the refs work the refs with CBS,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm really disappointed.

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<v Speaker 3>Smile over in the Virginia's seventh congressional district, which, for

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<v Speaker 3>people who don't know, that's the southwest below DC area,

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<v Speaker 3>an area that is very, very contentious that this is

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<v Speaker 3>only a D plus one district. There's some serious fuckery

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<v Speaker 3>going on. Can you tell us what you're seeing here?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So this is a race against one of the

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<v Speaker 1>vinmin twins. This is an open seat vacated by Abigail Spamberger.

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<v Speaker 1>Abigail Spamberger is planning to run for governor. This a

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<v Speaker 1>very competitive purple seat. So the anti choice Republican Derek Anderson,

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<v Speaker 1>who's running in Virginia's seventh congressional district. He wants to

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<v Speaker 1>appeal to women. A lot of these Republicans have started

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<v Speaker 1>trying to appeal to women using their wives. Derek doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>have a wife, so he borrowed another family for a

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<v Speaker 1>weird family photoshoot. He's sort of making it look as

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<v Speaker 1>if he has a family that he does not.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not surprised.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure that borrowing someone else his family will

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<v Speaker 1>help him win the way he thinks it might.

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<v Speaker 4>I just want to know why they can't stop being weird.

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<v Speaker 1>I just want to know why they can't just pose

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<v Speaker 1>with their own families. He's also engaged. Our last sort

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<v Speaker 1>of newsy bit today features your friend and mine George Conway.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh please tell me I forgot about this.

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<v Speaker 1>Speaking of these Audience of One ads George Conway.

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<v Speaker 3>And we'll have more about those with Rick Wilson in

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<v Speaker 3>just a few minutes.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but George Conway is involved in Audience of one

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<v Speaker 1>ads and he made a big ad about a sexual

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<v Speaker 1>assault survivor, one of Trump's many victims. You'll remember this

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<v Speaker 1>news cycle from twenty sixteen, which seems to have been abandoned.

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<v Speaker 1>So he did this news cycle, and he did these ads,

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<v Speaker 1>and they are really kind of brilliant. But more importantly,

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<v Speaker 1>they are getting in Donald Trump's head. Carolyn Levitt, Trump

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<v Speaker 1>National campaign press secretary, said, George Conway has no idea

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<v Speaker 1>what he's talking about and suffers from a serious case

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<v Speaker 1>of Trump to arrangement syndrome that has rotted his brain.

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<v Speaker 1>So congratulations, George. You can't stop winning.

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<v Speaker 3>You're always winning. When they say you have Trump arrangement syndrome,

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<v Speaker 4>That's Politics as Unusual dot bio.

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<v Speaker 1>Rick Wilson is the founder of the Lincoln Project and

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<v Speaker 1>host of the Enemy's List.

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<v Speaker 4>Rick Wilson, Mully, Jong, Fast, How are you today?

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<v Speaker 1>I am just delighted to have you here pre tour.

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<v Speaker 1>Rick Wilson on his way to Boston. Recently survived a

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<v Speaker 1>Cat three hurricane.

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<v Speaker 4>Very exciting times.

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<v Speaker 2>Climate change is real.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, you know, I've been told over and over again

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<v Speaker 4>that you can't use those words anymore because Governor DeSantis

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<v Speaker 4>has banned them from a recent state government or in education.

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<v Speaker 4>So they don't know, they don't If you don't say

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<v Speaker 4>the words, they don't exist, like gay and climate.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right.

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<v Speaker 1>I actually, because I am such a lunatic, I listened

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<v Speaker 1>to c SPAN all the time, and so I was

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<v Speaker 1>listening to DeSantis' presser.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you guys have in Florida.

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<v Speaker 1>We're just going to take a second to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>one of the kind of interesting, horrible side things from

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<v Speaker 1>climate change is that you guys have crazy high insurance

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<v Speaker 1>premiums in your state.

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<v Speaker 4>And you know, luckily for the state of Florida, there's

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<v Speaker 4>another hurricane on the way. And for the last three years,

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<v Speaker 4>all Ron DeSantis has wanted to do in the legislature

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<v Speaker 4>is culture war bullshit, don't say gay book burnings, taking

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<v Speaker 4>over colleges, all these things he thought were going to

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<v Speaker 4>get him to the White House, which didn't. But they

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<v Speaker 4>did leave the state of Florida with the most expensive

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<v Speaker 4>property insurance in the world.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it turns out that woke does not stop hurricanes.

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<v Speaker 4>The War on woke has somehow, call me crazy, I

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<v Speaker 4>don't know what this is. It somehow doesn't have any

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<v Speaker 4>impact on actual people in the state of Florida. And look,

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<v Speaker 4>if they're happy that the War on Woke has been

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<v Speaker 4>such a wonderful center of everything about Ronda Santis's political career,

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<v Speaker 4>God bless them, good luck or knock yourselves out. And look,

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<v Speaker 4>I want to expand this a little bit too, Molly,

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<v Speaker 4>because the bible of the War on Woke in the

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<v Speaker 4>Future Project twenty twenty five has called for the elimination

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<v Speaker 4>of things like the National Hurricane Center. Yeah, the National

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<v Speaker 4>Oceanic Administration NOAH, which produces all the weather products in

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<v Speaker 4>the country.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, and of course they.

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<v Speaker 4>Want to downsize FEMA and put it in control of

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<v Speaker 4>the president so he can decide if people do nice

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<v Speaker 4>to me, they will get help. If not, it will.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>It is basically the plan to make the federal government

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<v Speaker 1>an arm of the Trump campaign, which means does Trump

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<v Speaker 1>need the Fed to cut interest rates right before an election?

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe he does, and so he tells them to.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it is a complete shittery on the highest level.

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<v Speaker 4>At some point, we'll get the fuckery today. And that's

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<v Speaker 4>really where my fucker he's at right now, because it

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<v Speaker 4>really is something. This is a deliberate attack on people

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<v Speaker 4>in a way that honestly is beyond the pale.

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<v Speaker 1>Speaking of beyond the pail, last night, Donald Trump was

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<v Speaker 1>in Wisconsin Swings Day, Wisconsin. Yeah, he did the weave.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what he calls it. When he goes from subject

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<v Speaker 1>to subject.

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<v Speaker 4>We call that. We call that late stage dementia.

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<v Speaker 1>And he does the weave, and he wove a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of real fucked up stuff, including.

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<v Speaker 4>We'll start light. Here's him talking about a fly.

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<v Speaker 6>Can't take it any longer. Remember there's a hat that's made.

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<v Speaker 4>It sounds like crazy. Oh, there's a fly.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh, I wonder where the fly came from. See two

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<v Speaker 6>years ago, I wouldn't have had a fly up here.

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<v Speaker 6>You're changing rapidly, but we can't take it any longer.

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<v Speaker 6>We can't take it any longer.

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<v Speaker 4>It takes it.

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<v Speaker 1>So that was the fly ref, the famous fly ref.

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<v Speaker 1>And I guess he means that there wouldn't have been

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<v Speaker 1>a fly because of climate change.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah. Look, actually what he's saying is that somehow the

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<v Speaker 4>deep State has released their insect army against him.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, it's the mass It makes mathing.

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<v Speaker 4>It's obviously the deep state. But look, anyone who disputes

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<v Speaker 4>the absolute evidence before their eyes that Trump is increasingly

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<v Speaker 4>deranged on the stump is you know, either an immediate

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<v Speaker 4>Trump family member or Jason Miller. And I'm sorry, none

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<v Speaker 4>of this, none of this makes any damn sense. But

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<v Speaker 4>you know what, I think there's a series of things

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<v Speaker 4>that he's going to have in the coming days that

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<v Speaker 4>really make him continue to look completely fucking ridiculous. And

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<v Speaker 4>he's completely fucking ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 1>What I'm struck by when Mark Cuban, who's been become

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<v Speaker 1>a very good Harris surrogate, talks about how Trump's people

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<v Speaker 1>have to explain what he meant more and more.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, the conceptual weirdness of Trump. It keeps going down

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<v Speaker 4>this rabbit hole where normal people can't understand it. The

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<v Speaker 4>magas believe it is some sort of secret, cryptic, magical

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<v Speaker 4>code between themselves and Trump, and they're always like, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>he could be saying like herbal berbal dood and they're like, well,

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<v Speaker 4>thats well, that means, that means and it's it's bullshit

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<v Speaker 4>and it's crazy town. But nothing about his presence on

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<v Speaker 4>the stage anymore is rational. It all comes across as kooky.

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<v Speaker 4>It all comes across as weird, It all comes across

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<v Speaker 4>as unhinged and dangerous because it is right, Well, why

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<v Speaker 4>don't we hear a little bit more of that?

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<v Speaker 6>Joe Biden became mentally impaired.

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<v Speaker 4>Kamala was born that way.

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<v Speaker 6>She was born, and if you think about it, only

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<v Speaker 6>a mentally disabled person could have allowed this to happen

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<v Speaker 6>to our country.

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<v Speaker 4>Anybody would know this.

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<v Speaker 1>First of all, Harris has been a sex crimes prosecutor,

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<v Speaker 1>an attorney's general for a state that's large enough to

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<v Speaker 1>be the fifth largest.

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<v Speaker 2>Economy in the world.

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<v Speaker 1>She has been a senator, She has been the first

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<v Speaker 1>female vice president. She's actually quite smart. And literally, it's

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<v Speaker 1>just a racist being racist. And then also it's horrible

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<v Speaker 1>to people who are disabled, Molly.

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<v Speaker 4>It's also just stonking gigantic projection.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she got into his head.

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<v Speaker 4>She got into his brain at that debate. She did

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<v Speaker 4>more damage to Trump than the assassination attempted. Mentally, that

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<v Speaker 4>should be something that you're absolutely like, your life crumbles

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<v Speaker 4>around you, all that stuff, but it really didn't. He

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<v Speaker 4>was golfing the next day, and in this case, she

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<v Speaker 4>took him on that stage and tore his brain out

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<v Speaker 4>and whipped it with a blender, and he can't stop

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<v Speaker 4>thinking about it, talking about it, overreacting to it. And honestly,

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<v Speaker 4>now we're entering the stage where the low propensity voters okay,

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<v Speaker 4>have started to pay attention, and those low propensity voters

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<v Speaker 4>are like, the fuck is this wait? I thought Trump

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<v Speaker 4>was smart and funny and commanding on stage, and now

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<v Speaker 4>you've got a sick, sad old man. And look, just

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<v Speaker 4>as she didn't respond to his bullshit about I think

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<v Speaker 4>she was black, and then maybe she wasn't black, and

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<v Speaker 4>then maybe she's back decided to be black. Just like that,

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<v Speaker 4>she shouldn't respond to this at all. It should be like, okay,

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<v Speaker 4>crazy man, thanks, thanks for your input, Grandpa Ranty. But

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<v Speaker 4>other than that, they should let it roll, and they

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<v Speaker 4>should let roll all of the things, because you're starting

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<v Speaker 4>to see out in the States they are really throwing

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of crap at the wall now trying to

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<v Speaker 4>figure something that sticks. So in Michigan and Wisconsin right now,

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<v Speaker 4>their ad is like Gomla Harris wants your text dollars

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<v Speaker 4>paid for trans prisoners, You're going to get free sex change.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm yeah, I know. Whatever fucking focus group y'all vomited

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<v Speaker 4>that out of was a bunch of guys with a

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<v Speaker 4>zen pouch in when they're in their jawline and a

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<v Speaker 4>red hat and an indifferent history of education and an

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<v Speaker 4>eager history of inbreeding in their families. But this thing

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<v Speaker 4>is like all of its projection on Trump's part, all

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<v Speaker 4>of its desperation on Trump's part, and that is not

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<v Speaker 4>going to change as we get closer, and it doesn't

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<v Speaker 4>help them as they get closer.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, No, I think that's a really good point. I

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<v Speaker 1>would also add that as we're seeing Trump World just

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<v Speaker 1>evolve into racism and craziness and I'm going to cut

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<v Speaker 1>all your taxes. No taxes on tips, no taxes on anything,

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<v Speaker 1>no use.

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<v Speaker 4>You know what, listen what ever, it is such a

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<v Speaker 4>narrow casting thing, and I'll tell you what it is.

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<v Speaker 4>I pick this up. Apparently some donor of his told him,

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<v Speaker 4>you'll win in Nevada if you just say no tax

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<v Speaker 4>on tips. The problem for Trump is he's so insane

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<v Speaker 4>that there's a certain amount of noise that just that

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<v Speaker 4>people are like, okay, cuckoo man, that's enough, right, because

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<v Speaker 4>he could promise, like the other day when he says

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<v Speaker 4>maybe I'll take at a sip of paper and say

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<v Speaker 4>when Simon trying in debt for bitcoin and there'll be

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<v Speaker 4>no debt, and everyone watching that with two neurons to

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<v Speaker 4>rub together, it's like, the fuck is this?

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<v Speaker 1>I want to talk about this for a minute, because

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<v Speaker 1>it does feel like a victory for you. You were

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<v Speaker 1>one of the first people to ever do Audience of.

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<v Speaker 4>One, and I was the first person.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, it's right, the first person to start Audience

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<v Speaker 2>of one.

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<v Speaker 1>And the idea here was that if you made Trump,

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<v Speaker 1>if you just got in his head, he would start

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<v Speaker 1>making insane decisions.

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<v Speaker 4>Correct.

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<v Speaker 1>Talk to me about how it feels to have George

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<v Speaker 1>con we do it, to have all sorts of other

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<v Speaker 1>people do it, and also to have the HAIRRISCA.

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<v Speaker 4>That is what delights me the most is that the

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<v Speaker 4>Harris campaign has figured out that the model that we

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<v Speaker 4>proposed and executed starting in twenty nineteen is a thing

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<v Speaker 4>that gives you an advantage over Trump and that he

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<v Speaker 4>cannot shake. It makes him vulnerable because when you see

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<v Speaker 4>Trump acting as Trump really is, it's a lot harder

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<v Speaker 4>for those normy Republicans to say, Oh, it's either Trump

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<v Speaker 4>or communism, and so.

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<v Speaker 2>They can't say it.

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<v Speaker 7>Now.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like, well, she seems pretty normal and he's pretty crazy,

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<v Speaker 4>and the more crazy he is, the better for America.

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<v Speaker 1>So Jeff Flake endors this morning. Jeff Flake Arizona, Republican

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<v Speaker 1>Senator Arizona is super important Swings Day. Does this mean

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<v Speaker 1>you know? Mitt Romney and Jeb Bush are not far behind.

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<v Speaker 4>Jeb will never endorse her. I can just tell you

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<v Speaker 4>that right now from what everything I'm hearing, Jeb is

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<v Speaker 4>a is a hard no to endorsing her. So that

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<v Speaker 4>let's let's drop that one w has said no. But

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<v Speaker 4>I hear a whole bunch of conflicting answers out of

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<v Speaker 4>that world. I think Mitt Romney is strongly considering it.

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<v Speaker 4>And at this point, as I wrote the other day

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<v Speaker 4>to my Republican friends, like those of you who think

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<v Speaker 4>you're sticking around in the Republican Party to influence what

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<v Speaker 4>it becomes after Trump, you are operating from a really,

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<v Speaker 4>really flawed assumption. For people that make up the GOP,

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<v Speaker 4>now they loathe every one of us from the before times.

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<v Speaker 4>We will never get to a point where the party

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<v Speaker 4>goes back to being based on ideological principles. It's now

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<v Speaker 4>all crazy, all the time, all of this nationalism, hyper populism,

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<v Speaker 4>all this garbage that they believe is the most important thing,

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<v Speaker 4>the Rond de Santis model. And so it's important to

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<v Speaker 4>understand we're not going to get to go back in

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<v Speaker 4>time and fix the GOP. If you want a conservative

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<v Speaker 4>party in the future, right now, the play is to

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<v Speaker 4>break from the Republican Party. So then in the future

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<v Speaker 4>you can say, listen, I put country over party at

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<v Speaker 4>the most important moment in time, I came out and

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<v Speaker 4>I threw everything, everything to the wind, and I said

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<v Speaker 4>I'm going to vote for Kamala Harris, even though I

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<v Speaker 4>disagreed with her on a lot of fundamental questions. I

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<v Speaker 4>didn't believe that she was going to destroy the country,

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<v Speaker 4>and that's what Trump would have done. And to have

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<v Speaker 4>credibility to rebuild a center right party, you have to

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<v Speaker 4>repudiate Trump before he is out politically. You have to

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<v Speaker 4>do it now.

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<v Speaker 1>Not Yeah, no, I agree. It's not clear to me

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<v Speaker 1>that the Republican Party doesn't. You know, eventually there'll be

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<v Speaker 1>someone there to rebuild it, and someone like if you've

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<v Speaker 1>been trumpy or if you've been going along with it,

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<v Speaker 1>you're not necessarily going to be that person.

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<v Speaker 4>Listen. Jd Vance is already already whispering to people like, well,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, well, if we were just running on this

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<v Speaker 4>ticket without Trump, it would be an amazing populist movement

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<v Speaker 4>and we'd be winning by a billion points. I disagree,

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<v Speaker 4>But what it tells you is their ambition is to

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<v Speaker 4>go forward from here using the Trump model, using the

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<v Speaker 4>Project twenty twenty five model.

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<v Speaker 5>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a fascinating gambit, especially because we all know that

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<v Speaker 1>trump Ism without Trump has largely just absolutely destroyed itself.

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<v Speaker 4>Trump Ism without Trump does not scale. Trump Ism without

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<v Speaker 4>Trump is Mark Robinson.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, Trump still has withdrawn his Mark Robinson endorsement.

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<v Speaker 4>By the way, did you catch that jd Vance when

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<v Speaker 4>he was asking about Mark Robinson this weekend? That looked

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<v Speaker 4>like he had shoved a live otter up his ass

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<v Speaker 4>and it was squirming to get out. My god, how can.

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<v Speaker 2>You not be prepared for this? I mean, the guy

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<v Speaker 2>right like you, what you're gonna say when people ask

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<v Speaker 2>you about Mark Robinson?

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<v Speaker 4>And all jd Vance had to say was I stand

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<v Speaker 4>with the President. I started with Donald Trump. That's all

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<v Speaker 4>he had to say. And you know what, people would

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<v Speaker 4>have gone blah blah blah, but instead he's up there

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<v Speaker 4>flipping and squirming and it's just like, oh, I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>I just I'm going to say this. For the tenth

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<v Speaker 4>time I have been in politics my entire life, I

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<v Speaker 4>have never seen a candidate as bad at this work

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<v Speaker 4>as jd Vance.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's wonderful.

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<v Speaker 4>He makes Sarah Palin look like golden my ear. He's

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<v Speaker 4>a astounding He's an astounding claude in every way.

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<v Speaker 1>He makes Sarah pale and look like gold in my air.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, that might be a bumper sticker right there,

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<v Speaker 1>a T shirt something to put on a golden necklace,

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<v Speaker 1>a trimp stamp, right, a tramp stamp.

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<v Speaker 2>Were allowed to say that. I don't think we're left.

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<v Speaker 4>We are we are You can say trip st a

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<v Speaker 4>tramp stamp.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I don't think it was very feminist, but okay,

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<v Speaker 1>but yes, yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>But I have a tattoo of f A Hayek on

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<v Speaker 4>my back.

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<v Speaker 1>But I do think it's a really good point, which

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<v Speaker 1>is there is no and again, like when Trump ran

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty sixteen, there was Trump and there was a

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<v Speaker 1>Republican Party. Now it's almost a decade later, we've all

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<v Speaker 1>aged quite significantly.

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<v Speaker 4>I've aged thirty five years in that decade. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>I have.

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<v Speaker 1>Bags under my eyes. I literally never had bags under

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<v Speaker 1>my eyes. I you know, I go get TV makeup

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<v Speaker 1>and they can't. It takes them like a half an

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<v Speaker 1>hour just to address the bags. So we've all gotten

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<v Speaker 1>much much older. But the Republican Party is basically now

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<v Speaker 1>Trump is if you have fialty to Trump, you are

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<v Speaker 1>allowed to stay, and if.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't, you're out.

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<v Speaker 4>Yep, that is correct.

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<v Speaker 1>So you've got Mark Robinson, You've got you know, Jady Vans.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you don't have like there are no young

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<v Speaker 1>stars in the party.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh god, no, I mean. And the people that think

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<v Speaker 4>they are rising stars are all very contingent on Trump.

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<v Speaker 4>Sarah Huckabee thinks she is a rising star in the party.

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<v Speaker 4>Christinoam still even after dog murder, thinks she's a rising

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<v Speaker 4>star in the party. And the people that also think

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<v Speaker 4>they have an option, like Nicki Haley. Nicki Haley thinks

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<v Speaker 4>she's a rising star and that she's going to be

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<v Speaker 4>the next nominee and she's wrong. Yeah, I'll explain this

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<v Speaker 4>to Republicans since twenty sixteen. Once you cross him, even

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<v Speaker 4>if you go and kiss his ass later, at some point,

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<v Speaker 4>he will fuck you in the future just to humiliate you.

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<v Speaker 4>Watch what happens the day after election Day with Vance. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>they will say I thought JD would be better on TV,

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<v Speaker 4>but he sucked. Turned out he was still a rhinoshel

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<v Speaker 4>They won't ever escape. And Nicki Haley, because she said

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<v Speaker 4>mean things about Trump, her opponents from them in any

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<v Speaker 4>Republican primary in the future are going to run ads

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<v Speaker 4>saying remember when Nikki Haley attacked our president. Yeah, remember

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<v Speaker 4>what she said that he was incompetent, insane, That's why

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<v Speaker 4>Harris won. And now we live in Marxist socialism, the

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<v Speaker 4>ads right themselves for.

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<v Speaker 1>These Yeahsi, there's a really, really, really good point. Are

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<v Speaker 1>you concerned about Project twenty twenty five and how awful

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<v Speaker 1>Trump's second term could be? Well, so are we, which

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<v Speaker 1>is why we teamed up with iHeart to make a

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<v Speaker 1>limited series with the experts on what a disaster Project

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty five would be for America's future. Right now,

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<v Speaker 1>we have just released the final episode of this five

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<v Speaker 1>episode series. They're all available by looking up Molly John

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<v Speaker 1>Fast Project twenty twenty five on YouTube, and if you

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<v Speaker 1>are more of a podcast person and not say a YouTuber,

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<v Speaker 1>All five episodes are online now. We need to educate

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<v Speaker 1>to this country, so please watch it and spread the word.

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<v Speaker 1>Doug rush Gooff is the author of many many books,

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<v Speaker 1>including The Update of program or B Programmed eleven Commands

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<v Speaker 1>for the AI Future, Welcome back to Fast Politics.

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<v Speaker 5>Thank you, it's a whole new Fast Politics. Congratulations on

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<v Speaker 5>fourth day. I was just thinking you could record those

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<v Speaker 5>like during your like two hour nap between Stephanie Rule

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<v Speaker 5>and Morning Joe.

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<v Speaker 4>From the Room.

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<v Speaker 1>I did fall asleep yesterday on the sofa which I

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<v Speaker 1>was with a teenager and they were talking to me,

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<v Speaker 1>and then I was like, you know, I could just

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<v Speaker 1>close my eyes and no one will notice.

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<v Speaker 2>So Doug, tell me about this book.

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<v Speaker 5>All right, I just want to talk about you. That's

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<v Speaker 5>what I'm terrible.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm great.

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<v Speaker 5>You know this book. I was thinking about how you're

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<v Speaker 5>reading the news now, right, and it made.

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<v Speaker 4>Me think of this book.

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<v Speaker 5>Actually, because the value add of you reading the news

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<v Speaker 5>like a Mike Schmidt article or something is not that

0:27:15.480 --> 0:27:19.560
<v Speaker 5>we can't get that information, that data ourselves. It's that

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<v Speaker 5>we listen to how agitated you are by Mike Schmidt

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<v Speaker 5>might have written in order to gauge how concerned we

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<v Speaker 5>should be.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, So we are getting the.

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<v Speaker 5>News of the day as metabolized by Molly john fast

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<v Speaker 5>nervous system. Right, that's the human value of media. And

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<v Speaker 5>what I was always concerned about was this shift that

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<v Speaker 5>we're valuing you know, the data over the human or

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<v Speaker 5>doubt that the content over the context, you know, And

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<v Speaker 5>that was really what set me on this whole journey.

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<v Speaker 5>So yeah, so I wrote this book This was fifteen

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<v Speaker 5>years ago called Programmer b Programmed. It was ten Commands

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<v Speaker 5>for the digital age, and I was kind of trying

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<v Speaker 5>to update the ten Commandments as these passive things for

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<v Speaker 5>the age of text to tend commands for this more active,

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<v Speaker 5>interactive age. And I was arguing, if you don't know

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<v Speaker 5>how these things work, they're gonna be working you right,

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<v Speaker 5>You're going to be the tool rather than the tool user.

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<v Speaker 5>Fifteen years ago, though, the way the book got interpreted

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<v Speaker 5>was like learn to code right.

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<v Speaker 7>Nobody got the liberal arts critical thinking metaphor, and I

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<v Speaker 7>became like this hero of like the digital you know,

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<v Speaker 7>boot camp online, care to stem education, get rid of

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<v Speaker 7>those liberal arts.

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<v Speaker 5>It was like, oh my god. When it was actually

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<v Speaker 5>a call for you know, liberal arts and maybe a

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<v Speaker 5>little bit of Marx right.

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<v Speaker 2>Berl Arts and a little bit of marks, that's good.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, automation was reducing our agency, you know that with

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<v Speaker 5>the human beings are being understood in terms of utility value,

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<v Speaker 5>like programming humans, like auto tuning our music, right, auto tuning.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean you could auto tune Ariana Grande, but don't

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<v Speaker 5>auto tune James Brown right, him reaching up for the note.

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<v Speaker 5>That's literally the soul, that's what we're listening for, and

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<v Speaker 5>that we were moving into a world where we saw

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<v Speaker 5>that reaching up for the note as the noise and

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<v Speaker 5>the noted sofa is the signal. And I was trying

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<v Speaker 5>to argue the opposite, that we can program this reality.

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<v Speaker 5>But that was back in the age of early early Facebook.

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<v Speaker 5>Right this is before Facebook even turned pure evil. It's

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<v Speaker 5>when he was innocently doing evil rather than consciously doing evil.

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<v Speaker 5>But AI, like back then, compared to artificial intelligence, like

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<v Speaker 5>social media, was kind of like the missionaries, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>that came to Americas and softened up the population, got

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<v Speaker 5>a lot of intelligence on them, and then reported back

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<v Speaker 5>to the crown that AI is like the conquistadors, right

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<v Speaker 5>use for that information to actually come and squish us.

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<v Speaker 5>So it's like, finally, now with AI, people are ready

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<v Speaker 5>to understand what I was trying to say then, that

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<v Speaker 5>you can either be a programming human who's programming the

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<v Speaker 5>world that you live in, or you can accept these

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<v Speaker 5>programs at face value and basically be enslaved by them.

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<v Speaker 5>And we're at a really critical juncture that way right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and again, what you're talking about here is aggregation

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<v Speaker 1>right to.

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<v Speaker 5>A large extent. Yeah, I mean, it's really being able

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<v Speaker 5>to see that the digital platform or environment that you're

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<v Speaker 5>in has been programmed with really specific biases. These are

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<v Speaker 5>not neutral territories. These are places that tilt in certain ways,

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<v Speaker 5>like those of us on the on the so called left,

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<v Speaker 5>although I don't even know if we'd be considered left

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<v Speaker 5>compared to the original real left. We're like and yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>you sit on a place like Twitter and it's hard

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<v Speaker 5>to know. I mean, I just went. I had hadn't

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<v Speaker 5>been on Twitter really since like the second week of

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<v Speaker 5>Musky and Twitter, and I went back because a friend

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<v Speaker 5>of mine's group, one of the Kamala for you know

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<v Speaker 5>the people I forgot which one it was, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>deadheads for Kamala or dude one of those groups had

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<v Speaker 5>gotten like kicked off, and I wanted to.

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<v Speaker 2>See, Oh it was Dude's Yeah it was Dude.

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<v Speaker 5>Was it Shadow or this or that? And I went

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<v Speaker 5>and I hadn't seen it in the year. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 5>oh my god, this is like, this is what jacque

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<v Speaker 5>Alul meant by a propagandistic universe, the landscape itself. I

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<v Speaker 5>don't subscribe to Musk as one of my Twitter people

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<v Speaker 5>yet he's got every other post is from him, right,

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<v Speaker 5>that he's controlling this world where even if you're in

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<v Speaker 5>a little progressive conversation somewhere, the ads that come in

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<v Speaker 5>are the worst, most awful, violent, right wing insanity or

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<v Speaker 5>bot stuff. So it's as if the are you're breathing

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<v Speaker 5>in this environment is controlled by the feudalist dude who's

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<v Speaker 5>running the thing, the content, the context, the whole space

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<v Speaker 5>is tilted, and then that other things are actually banned.

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<v Speaker 5>And this is supposedly this freezepeech open platform. It's like

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<v Speaker 5>if you don't understand how programmed it is, and you

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<v Speaker 5>just you spend time in there, your understanding of what's

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<v Speaker 5>happening in the world, you know, really really changes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I think that's right.

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<v Speaker 1>Why is there no transparency when it comes to the algorithm?

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<v Speaker 1>And actually we were just talking about this with another

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<v Speaker 1>interview that maybe Elon is so all over the place

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<v Speaker 1>because there's because that site has degraded so much. I

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<v Speaker 1>wonder if it's sort of a less focused than say

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<v Speaker 1>a TikTok, which has this sort of incredibly sensitive algorithm.

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<v Speaker 4>Right.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, I mean, I think part of the problem with

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<v Speaker 5>x there's incompetence and mental illness kind of combining. So

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<v Speaker 5>it's intentional, but it's not as articulated as a place

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<v Speaker 5>like TikTok, where there's you know, tremendous competence in programming

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<v Speaker 5>that environment. And I keep thinking that the underlying problem,

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<v Speaker 5>and I hate blaming everything on capitalism, but the underlying

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<v Speaker 5>problem in some ways is the una acknowledged operating system

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<v Speaker 5>underneath everything. The reason I wrote programmer every program was

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<v Speaker 5>partly for us to be able to deal with this

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<v Speaker 5>universe and to have these sort of simple commands, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>to understand you you don't have to choose one of

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<v Speaker 5>the above, that you can acknowledge your complexity, that not

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<v Speaker 5>everything happens at scale, you know, these sort of ten

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<v Speaker 5>simple ideas. But for the developers and programmers, I wanted

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<v Speaker 5>them to understand that there's an unacknowledged operating system underneath

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<v Speaker 5>all of these platforms, and that is extractive growth based

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<v Speaker 5>exponential capitalism. That yes, every program you write, sure it

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<v Speaker 5>should have a good interface and serve people and do this,

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<v Speaker 5>but it should be capable of growing exponentially forever, right,

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<v Speaker 5>And that's only a certain kind of program is going

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<v Speaker 5>to do that. Right, grow exponentially forever means oh, it

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<v Speaker 5>must function like cancer. It must eventually destroy its host.

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<v Speaker 5>So Twitters it has to destroy. If it wants to

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<v Speaker 5>be the virtual version of the public square, it has

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<v Speaker 5>to extract all value from the public square and leave

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<v Speaker 5>a carcass behind it. I mean that was what ended

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<v Speaker 5>up being their philosophy's in Survival of the Richest, my

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<v Speaker 5>more recent book, it was that, Oh, they're realizing this,

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<v Speaker 5>which is why they're going to lift off from the planet,

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<v Speaker 5>which is why they see humanity as the maggot larval

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<v Speaker 5>stage of evolution and themselves as the flies you know,

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<v Speaker 5>that get off this big dung keep that is planet Earth.

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<v Speaker 5>But it's all because they can't see the programs that

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<v Speaker 5>they're working with, and that's because they lack this critical thinking,

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<v Speaker 5>this sort of basic liberal arts.

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<v Speaker 1>Interesting, you were sort of right about these tech billionaires.

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<v Speaker 5>Turns out, I mean, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Does that bring you any joy?

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<v Speaker 5>Or now it brings me joy in that Honestly. By

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<v Speaker 5>nineteen ninety three, after my year of raving with the

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<v Speaker 5>kids making fractal, I said, I saw Wired Magazine's first

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<v Speaker 5>issue and I said, uh, oh, someone else is trying

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<v Speaker 5>to kind of recontextualize this people's renaissance into a business revolution,

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<v Speaker 5>and the window of opportunity for us to really seize

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<v Speaker 5>what this is about is going to close, and we're

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<v Speaker 5>all going to get programmed into oblivion and worse, I

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<v Speaker 5>guess you know. And that's why I'm happy this book

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<v Speaker 5>came out again.

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<v Speaker 2>Now this is a reissue, right.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, fifteenth anniversary reissue, a program or reprogrammed with a

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<v Speaker 5>whole new command and eleventh command about artificial intelligence, arguing

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<v Speaker 5>that we value the human. But then this afterward that

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<v Speaker 5>I wrote at the last minute, where I realized that

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<v Speaker 5>that we on the progressive left have ended up absorbing

0:35:45.680 --> 0:35:51.040
<v Speaker 5>some of this same digital ethos about engineering human beings.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm at Climate Week at all these things, and every

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<v Speaker 5>single talk and panel I keep hearing people say, how

0:35:56.239 --> 0:35:58.880
<v Speaker 5>do we get people to finally do this? How are

0:35:58.920 --> 0:36:00.880
<v Speaker 5>we going to get people to do that? And it's like,

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<v Speaker 5>once you're saying how do we get people too, you're

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<v Speaker 5>in the programmer's mindset. You're not treating them as humans.

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<v Speaker 5>So I'm arguing, is instead of trying to implement something

0:36:14.840 --> 0:36:20.520
<v Speaker 5>by by instrumentalizing human beings to your cause, instead try

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<v Speaker 5>to engender the behaviors you want, try to develop a

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<v Speaker 5>landscape that engenders these kind of pro human qualities. What

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<v Speaker 5>I started to do is look at well, why do

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<v Speaker 5>you do that? And then I came up with these

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<v Speaker 5>four interventions that really makes sense, almost as a kind

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<v Speaker 5>of a liberal arts approach to politics, where first one

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<v Speaker 5>is just denaturalized power right, help people see the difference

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<v Speaker 5>between the given circumstances of reality and the social constructions

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<v Speaker 5>that have been imposed on us. Like I was doing

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<v Speaker 5>Jake Tapper the other night. I mean, bless him, he's

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<v Speaker 5>a good guy and all, but I get in this

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<v Speaker 5>mood and he was trying to get me to say

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<v Speaker 5>bad things about AI and I was just feeling AI stupid.

0:37:00.840 --> 0:37:02.880
<v Speaker 5>I don't really care about it today. And then finally

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<v Speaker 5>he said, well, what about the unemployment problem? And I

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<v Speaker 5>said back, I said, well what about the unemployment solution?

0:37:09.080 --> 0:37:10.960
<v Speaker 5>He's like huh, And I'm like, well, I don't really

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<v Speaker 5>want a job. Does anyone want a job?

0:37:13.239 --> 0:37:13.960
<v Speaker 4>I don't want a job.

0:37:14.000 --> 0:37:17.960
<v Speaker 5>I want stuff, I want money, I want meaning, but

0:37:18.080 --> 0:37:20.839
<v Speaker 5>I could live without a job. Where did jobs come from?

0:37:20.840 --> 0:37:22.799
<v Speaker 5>And then you go back to late medievalism and you

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<v Speaker 5>find out, oh, jobs came along with the charter monopoly

0:37:25.239 --> 0:37:27.960
<v Speaker 5>where doing business for yourself was illegal. Now you had

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<v Speaker 5>to go work by the hour. It's when they put

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<v Speaker 5>the clock on the tower, right, that's denaturalizing power. It's

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<v Speaker 5>what media theorists love to do to say, since when,

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<v Speaker 5>since when was it like this?

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<v Speaker 4>You know?

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<v Speaker 5>And then that leads to the second one, which is

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<v Speaker 5>like to trigger people's agency, And that's you know, how

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<v Speaker 5>do you help people see that they once it is

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<v Speaker 5>a social construction. Once this money? Where did money come from?

0:37:50.640 --> 0:37:53.080
<v Speaker 5>Who's programming my money? Could I have a different kind

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<v Speaker 5>of money? Could we make local currency? That's triggering agency?

0:37:56.480 --> 0:37:59.640
<v Speaker 5>And once you do that, it leads to well, if

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<v Speaker 5>I have my agency, I don't want to do this alone.

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<v Speaker 5>If I'm going to make new money, I'm going to

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<v Speaker 5>need other people. So we resocialize the people. I kind

0:38:07.360 --> 0:38:09.960
<v Speaker 5>of call it like put the social back into socialism.

0:38:10.000 --> 0:38:12.520
<v Speaker 5>I don't like the ism of it, but the social

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<v Speaker 5>You got to put up a picture of your kid

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<v Speaker 5>graduating from school. You've got to get a drill. You're

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<v Speaker 5>going to go to the home depot and buy a

0:38:19.760 --> 0:38:22.479
<v Speaker 5>minimum viable product drill or are you going to borrow a drill?

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<v Speaker 5>From your neighbor.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's come back for a minute.

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<v Speaker 1>We're in this weird moment in American life where I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know what AI can do. I have some sense

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<v Speaker 1>that my Google searches look a little better now, but

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<v Speaker 1>I have no sense of really what AI can do.

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<v Speaker 1>It feels like we're on the precipice of something that

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<v Speaker 1>could be quite bad or could be quite good. So

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<v Speaker 1>explain to us sort of where we are at this

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<v Speaker 1>moment with the AI, and if you want to tell

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<v Speaker 1>us what it's going to do, that's fine too.

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<v Speaker 5>The jury's out on AI, just like the jury's still

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<v Speaker 5>out on the Internet, just like the jury's still out.

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<v Speaker 5>I guess I'm the industrial age, right. Aren't we going

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<v Speaker 5>to to promote human and other earthling flourishing? Or are

0:39:04.000 --> 0:39:07.720
<v Speaker 5>we gonna double down on extraction and death. It's funny

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<v Speaker 5>I find AI is both better and worse than people think.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, AI is simply the realization of al Gore's

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<v Speaker 5>original dream for the Internet. Right what al Gore said

0:39:20.600 --> 0:39:22.920
<v Speaker 5>way back when. I know he didn't build the Internet,

0:39:22.920 --> 0:39:25.680
<v Speaker 5>but he really did lead to its funding. He said,

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<v Speaker 5>I bet we already have all the solutions to all

0:39:29.880 --> 0:39:32.440
<v Speaker 5>of our greatest problems. We just don't know how to

0:39:32.480 --> 0:39:35.200
<v Speaker 5>put the data together. This scientist doesn't know that one.

0:39:35.480 --> 0:39:39.360
<v Speaker 5>This politician doesn't know that policy and what the Internet

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<v Speaker 5>was supposed to do was allow all those ideas to

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<v Speaker 5>come together and be utilized. Google search was not enough

0:39:47.800 --> 0:39:50.160
<v Speaker 5>to do that. Google search is like casting out with

0:39:50.239 --> 0:39:52.480
<v Speaker 5>a fishing rod into the ocean and hoping that you

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<v Speaker 5>find something. What AI can do is bring those data

0:39:56.920 --> 0:39:59.480
<v Speaker 5>points together in a way that you can see and

0:39:59.520 --> 0:40:04.320
<v Speaker 5>a value them. So it's not replacing the human creation

0:40:04.480 --> 0:40:07.239
<v Speaker 5>of the activity the way we're using it and say entertainment,

0:40:07.480 --> 0:40:09.120
<v Speaker 5>you know, to get rid of actors or get rid

0:40:09.160 --> 0:40:13.400
<v Speaker 5>of screenwriters. But it can amalgamate stuff. It can draw

0:40:13.440 --> 0:40:16.640
<v Speaker 5>together ideas that we wouldn't have been able to do.

0:40:16.960 --> 0:40:21.480
<v Speaker 5>It can find these eight symptoms seem to actually lead

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<v Speaker 5>to this particular disease or centric. It can do things

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<v Speaker 5>that our brains aren't quite big enough to do that

0:40:28.000 --> 0:40:31.560
<v Speaker 5>would be so powerful. But it's going to require us

0:40:31.760 --> 0:40:35.600
<v Speaker 5>understanding data differently. We're going to have to really understand

0:40:35.719 --> 0:40:38.799
<v Speaker 5>data as more of a commons that we can use

0:40:38.880 --> 0:40:43.280
<v Speaker 5>to figure things out together, rather than this proprietary bunch

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<v Speaker 5>of IP and surveillance and nuttiness. So I'm not really

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<v Speaker 5>worried about AI.

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<v Speaker 1>Tending American democracy or or let me rephrase, killing all

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<v Speaker 1>of us.

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<v Speaker 5>No, I'm not if you want some safeguards around this,

0:40:57.680 --> 0:41:00.839
<v Speaker 5>and it sounds so either I don't know, old new

0:41:00.920 --> 0:41:05.320
<v Speaker 5>age or mushroom influenced or something, but you know, make

0:41:05.560 --> 0:41:09.880
<v Speaker 5>real relationships with other people, learn how to make eye contact,

0:41:10.000 --> 0:41:13.160
<v Speaker 5>learn how to be with and breathe with other people.

0:41:13.280 --> 0:41:15.680
<v Speaker 5>If AI is going to be turned against us, it's

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<v Speaker 5>going to be used like the internet's being used to

0:41:18.880 --> 0:41:22.120
<v Speaker 5>decalibrate us, right, to alienate us from one another so

0:41:22.160 --> 0:41:26.080
<v Speaker 5>that we're better customers, more frightened voters, and more manipulable.

0:41:26.440 --> 0:41:30.719
<v Speaker 5>And you can recalibrate yourself in ten seconds by just

0:41:30.880 --> 0:41:34.440
<v Speaker 5>holding someone's hand and looking in their eyes and keeping

0:41:34.480 --> 0:41:36.879
<v Speaker 5>your feet on the ground. I mean, even if you're

0:41:36.920 --> 0:41:39.840
<v Speaker 5>freaking out when you're tweeting, just stop for a second,

0:41:39.880 --> 0:41:42.000
<v Speaker 5>stand up with your feet on the ground, and take

0:41:42.080 --> 0:41:44.959
<v Speaker 5>two deep breaths in through your nose out through your mouth.

0:41:45.280 --> 0:41:48.920
<v Speaker 5>You'll recalibrate your nervous system and musk will look different

0:41:48.960 --> 0:41:49.560
<v Speaker 5>to you.

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<v Speaker 2>You're saying that we should all touch grass.

0:41:52.120 --> 0:41:56.160
<v Speaker 5>Touch grass, right. That is the actual, natural, real way

0:41:56.200 --> 0:42:00.600
<v Speaker 5>we have of defragging the hard drive or re starting

0:42:00.880 --> 0:42:04.680
<v Speaker 5>our operating system. To people today, going outside and touching

0:42:04.719 --> 0:42:07.640
<v Speaker 5>grass is probably as profound as like getting shock treatment

0:42:07.680 --> 0:42:08.720
<v Speaker 5>in the nineteen fifty.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, there's no grass to touch where I live,

0:42:11.600 --> 0:42:13.040
<v Speaker 1>so I mean, I guess I couldn't.

0:42:13.200 --> 0:42:16.040
<v Speaker 5>But there's people. There's a child, yes.

0:42:16.080 --> 0:42:18.799
<v Speaker 2>Theoretical, yes they're not children anymore, but I do.

0:42:18.800 --> 0:42:21.480
<v Speaker 5>Have them, yeah, or humans, it really does. I just

0:42:21.560 --> 0:42:23.200
<v Speaker 5>play it. I do it on the street of New York.

0:42:23.239 --> 0:42:25.239
<v Speaker 5>I walk around and play this game. I try to

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<v Speaker 5>make eye contact to try to find someone who's not

0:42:27.760 --> 0:42:30.319
<v Speaker 5>on their phone and then just have that moment. It's

0:42:30.320 --> 0:42:32.959
<v Speaker 5>like in body snatchers when you see another one who's

0:42:33.000 --> 0:42:35.920
<v Speaker 5>not snatched yet. It's like wink, weak, nudge, nudge, I'm.

0:42:35.800 --> 0:42:36.960
<v Speaker 4>Here, are you? You know?

0:42:37.000 --> 0:42:39.680
<v Speaker 5>It's not even a flirt. It's just like there's another

0:42:39.800 --> 0:42:43.440
<v Speaker 5>living human. It does settle you do. But that's again

0:42:43.760 --> 0:42:46.360
<v Speaker 5>that's why sorry, I don't mean to just compliment you.

0:42:46.520 --> 0:42:50.759
<v Speaker 5>It's why people listen to to fast politics. Fast It's

0:42:50.800 --> 0:42:54.400
<v Speaker 5>true because it's like it's human. It's just breathe with us.

0:42:54.520 --> 0:42:59.120
<v Speaker 5>You're you're helping us metabolize the shock and horror of

0:42:59.200 --> 0:43:03.080
<v Speaker 5>living in this age. And somehow it doesn't make it okay,

0:43:03.520 --> 0:43:07.360
<v Speaker 5>but it makes me less vulnerable to the programming, to

0:43:07.440 --> 0:43:10.440
<v Speaker 5>the programming that's trying to keep me tense and upset

0:43:10.719 --> 0:43:14.640
<v Speaker 5>and decalibrate it. So it's it's a precursor to being

0:43:14.680 --> 0:43:17.000
<v Speaker 5>able to program my own experience of this life.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so true. Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you.

0:43:22.360 --> 0:43:24.399
<v Speaker 5>Thank you, thank you for what you do. I'm here

0:43:24.520 --> 0:43:27.480
<v Speaker 5>anytime for anything, whether I get credit or not. I

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<v Speaker 5>really I support this effort.

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<v Speaker 4>No moment time. Rick Wilson, Well, the jong Fast my

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<v Speaker 4>moments of fuckery this week does return, as we talked

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<v Speaker 4>about earlier in the show, to Project twenty twenty five

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<v Speaker 4>and the Heritage Foundation, who did this plan on Donald

0:43:45.640 --> 0:43:48.520
<v Speaker 4>Trump's behalf and behest. And anytime you hear someone say

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<v Speaker 4>Trump is to separated himself from twenty twenty, it's a lie, people,

0:43:53.080 --> 0:43:56.560
<v Speaker 4>It's a fucking lie. But the thing that's in that plan,

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<v Speaker 4>I want everybody this week who is suffering from the terrible,

0:43:59.719 --> 0:44:03.279
<v Speaker 4>damnag which the hurricane has done in Florida, in Georgia,

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<v Speaker 4>and most specifically in North Carolina, where the damage to

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<v Speaker 4>western North Carolina, part of the country I truly love

0:44:09.840 --> 0:44:11.359
<v Speaker 4>and I spent a lot of my time in in.

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<v Speaker 2>My life, and you used to have a house in Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>It sorry, that was so mean.

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<v Speaker 4>I know. It's a very sad outcome. Yeah, and it's

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<v Speaker 4>a terrible moment for everyone. But Project twenty twenty five,

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<v Speaker 4>on its own pages, in its own words, wants to

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<v Speaker 4>eliminate Noah, which is the weather for Service. They want

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<v Speaker 4>to eliminate the National Hurricane Center because it uses the

0:44:35.320 --> 0:44:38.240
<v Speaker 4>phrase a climate change maybe driving the intensity of these storms.

0:44:38.440 --> 0:44:41.000
<v Speaker 4>They want to eliminate FEMA or move FEMA so that

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<v Speaker 4>the president controls FEMA. I am sorry, but if you

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<v Speaker 4>buy in to getting rid of Noah and the Hurricane

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<v Speaker 4>Center and FEMA, you are putting the lives of the

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<v Speaker 4>people in these states that are increasingly facing these storms

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<v Speaker 4>at risk. So that Project twenty twenty five continuing catalog

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<v Speaker 4>of fuckery.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and my they fuckery is actually related, tangentially related

0:45:03.400 --> 0:45:07.680
<v Speaker 1>to yours, which is that what has burst from this hurricane,

0:45:07.719 --> 0:45:10.839
<v Speaker 1>which I think is such a great example of like

0:45:10.960 --> 0:45:14.440
<v Speaker 1>it mirrors what happened with the pandemic, is that we

0:45:14.680 --> 0:45:20.640
<v Speaker 1>have all of these lies from magaworld saying that weather modification,

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<v Speaker 1>that the hurricane appeared from nowhere, that you know that

0:45:26.000 --> 0:45:31.200
<v Speaker 1>this was somehow not a real natural event, but somehow

0:45:31.560 --> 0:45:35.240
<v Speaker 1>caused by Democrats or in some way targeting MAGA.

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<v Speaker 2>We think of it as laughably untrue.

0:45:38.239 --> 0:45:41.040
<v Speaker 1>But we thought about Donald Trump as laughably untrue in

0:45:41.080 --> 0:45:44.400
<v Speaker 1>twenty fifteen, and then he became president. So all of

0:45:44.440 --> 0:45:49.080
<v Speaker 1>this post truth stuff, well it's ridiculous. It can lead

0:45:49.680 --> 0:45:53.840
<v Speaker 1>to really bleak you know, those people who believed QAnon

0:45:54.000 --> 0:45:56.600
<v Speaker 1>and hurt people, you know, who believed QAnon was real

0:45:56.640 --> 0:45:59.719
<v Speaker 1>and then when and hurt people. This can happen through

0:45:59.800 --> 0:46:02.759
<v Speaker 1>this kind of on reality. So that, in fact, is

0:46:02.800 --> 0:46:04.280
<v Speaker 1>my moment of reckery.

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<v Speaker 4>And Molly just a correlaor to to that bit. Right there,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm seeing all over social media the claim by magas

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<v Speaker 4>like Roy Cooper in North Carolina and Joe Biden have

0:46:13.080 --> 0:46:15.959
<v Speaker 4>cut off North Carolina. They're not supporting us. They won't

0:46:16.000 --> 0:46:19.400
<v Speaker 4>declare an emergency, you dumb motherfuckers. They declared an emergency

0:46:19.400 --> 0:46:22.840
<v Speaker 4>before the storm even hit. FEMA is their enforce, National

0:46:22.840 --> 0:46:25.600
<v Speaker 4>Guard is their in force. It's an astounding lie, but

0:46:25.840 --> 0:46:26.680
<v Speaker 4>that's what they do.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep. Exactly. Thank you, Rick Wilson.

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<v Speaker 4>I will see you, Molly John Fast in Boston, Massachusetts.

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<v Speaker 4>Here we go, then Philly, then DC and the Philly

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<v Speaker 4>Show is all nude.

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<v Speaker 1>That's it for this episode of Fast Politics. Tune in

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