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Speaker 1: Buck Brief. On this episode, our friend Orrin McIntyre is
Speaker 1: back to talk about everything going on in the GOP
Speaker 1: primary and the looming general election, plus you know, America,
Speaker 1: the border, whatever else we get into with the time
Speaker 1: we have. He's the host of the orn McIntyre show
Speaker 1: at the Blaze or in is it let me start
Speaker 1: with some of the high level or you know, thirty
Speaker 1: thousand foot stuff. Is this primary already over or do
Speaker 1: you still think that we could see some things change.
Speaker 2: It does feel like it's already over. I mean, in
Speaker 2: some ways these debates feel like we're just listening in
Speaker 2: on the kids table. Trump's ahead by such a wide
Speaker 2: margin in pretty much every area in most states, it's
Speaker 2: really going to be some kind of catastrophe needs to
Speaker 2: occur for any of these people to kind of be relevant.
Speaker 2: Of course, the fact that the president is under indictment
Speaker 2: and does have or the former president rather does have
Speaker 2: all of these possible legal complications against him. That's kind
Speaker 2: of the reason it seems like this continues to go on.
Speaker 2: But I don't think that anyone's gonna win in the
Speaker 2: primary over him unless he's in some way restricted running
Speaker 2: a full campaign.
Speaker 1: Now, what do you think about the others who are
Speaker 1: at least still in the mix year after the most
Speaker 1: recent debate in Tuscaloosa, Haley, Christie and DeSantis? Have they
Speaker 1: been helping themselves recently? Do you think that they're building
Speaker 1: out their brands? Like? What what do you think? How
Speaker 1: would you assess each one of the next Oh, I'm
Speaker 1: sorry and Ramaswami of the next tier of canad Well,
Speaker 1: you know what, we can forget Christie's not, He's probably not.
Speaker 1: We're good forget Christy Fine, Hailey, Ramaswamy, de Santis. What's
Speaker 1: your take on where they are in this whole situation?
Speaker 2: Well, obviously DeSantis was kind of the front runner for
Speaker 2: non Trump candidates, and the big storyor of this whole
Speaker 2: campaign has really been the failure of him to catch
Speaker 2: any traction, the fact that he was tied with Ramaswami
Speaker 2: at one point now he's more or less tied with Haley,
Speaker 2: losing to both those candidates at different times. I mean,
Speaker 2: he should have far and away been the clear front
Speaker 2: runner besides Trump throughout this whole thing, and instead he
Speaker 2: seems to have kind of flailed in all of these situations.
Speaker 2: I think he still looks good in a decent number
Speaker 2: of answers. I think he's still the most put together
Speaker 2: guy in the best second option after Trump, but it
Speaker 2: does feel like that's just he never really caught fire,
Speaker 2: and this could end up damaging his ambitions if he
Speaker 2: ends up not taking this particular campaign. With Haley, obviously,
Speaker 2: she's in this weird scenario where it feels like she's
Speaker 2: running for the establishment or the neo conservative vote. She's
Speaker 2: very unlikable with most of the base, but she still
Speaker 2: has a lot of the institutional support, even when it
Speaker 2: comes to some Democrats. She's every New York Times columnist
Speaker 2: favorite goop candidate at this point. And then Ramaswami, he
Speaker 2: feels like he's just doing his best Trump impression, which
Speaker 2: is pretty good on the stage. It gets him a
Speaker 2: lot of kind of fiery debate moments, but he's also
Speaker 2: he doesn't have the ability to kind of play it
Speaker 2: off and be as playful when he's doing the insults
Speaker 2: and going hard after people the way that Trump did,
Speaker 2: so he doesn't have that endearing quality, and I think
Speaker 2: that does hurt him a little bit, even though he's
Speaker 2: saying a lot of the right thing. Now.
Speaker 1: If if you had to pick one idea, policy idea
Speaker 1: that has emerged from the honestly any of the recent debates,
Speaker 1: but you know, the most recent one, I think is
Speaker 1: the only when you or I can probably remember in
Speaker 1: any detail. But was there anything that came up where
Speaker 1: you said, we need that on the national stage to
Speaker 1: be you know, the way forward, whether it's Trump or
Speaker 1: anybody else who's carrying that mantle, like, whether it's on
Speaker 1: the border or crime or the economy. Was there anything
Speaker 1: you heard you said that needs to be something that
Speaker 1: we all get behind going forward other than the obvious, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, something that's new, something that was kind of
Speaker 1: a breakthrough idea.
Speaker 2: I don't think there's anything that completely shook the stage,
Speaker 2: but I do think there were a couple of highlights. First,
Speaker 2: it was nice to hear DeSantis talk about forcing the
Speaker 2: colleges to back their loans, their student loans. I think
Speaker 2: that's a good message. A lot of people want to
Speaker 2: just say, well, force all these kids to pay their
Speaker 2: student loans. No matter what, and yeah, I get it,
Speaker 2: I understand kind of that approach. I don't want to
Speaker 2: be paying student loans for these people either, but we
Speaker 2: need to hold the university's accountable. These are people who
Speaker 2: have built the students for millions and millions of dollars
Speaker 2: and they really should be the ones that end up
Speaker 2: paying for this if anybody does. So that was a
Speaker 2: really nice thing to hear from him. It was nice
Speaker 2: also to hear both him and Ramaswami talking about the
Speaker 2: importance of internet anonymity against Hayley. They both went after
Speaker 2: her during the debate on that issue. That was very
Speaker 2: nice to see. And then it was very nice to
Speaker 2: see the VEK being willing to talk about replacement level
Speaker 2: migration and the role it plays in the Democrats plan.
Speaker 2: That's a taboo subject, is something a lot of people
Speaker 2: won't touch, and the VEK went right at it during
Speaker 2: the debate. So I think that all of those were promising.
Speaker 2: None of those are ground shaking policy, you know, prescriptions
Speaker 2: right away, but it was nice to see them come up,
Speaker 2: even though this isn't maybe the most important debate, given
Speaker 2: you know the fact that Trump is leading as far
Speaker 2: out as he is.
Speaker 1: Do you think Trump is even going to debate once
Speaker 1: between now and the general election day, meeting against the
Speaker 1: Republican or a Democrat. Do you think that he's just
Speaker 1: going to let people, you know, vote for him and
Speaker 1: he's going to run the campaigns as he sees fit
Speaker 1: without showing up to any actual debates, whether against the Republican,
Speaker 1: a Republican, or a Democrat.
Speaker 2: I think he's certainly not going to show up to
Speaker 2: any Republican debates, and really tactically there's no reason for
Speaker 2: him too. He's so far ahead that the only thing
Speaker 2: he can do is grant legitimacy to the other people
Speaker 2: running by showing up. He's just lapping the competition without
Speaker 2: having to even be in the room. So there's really
Speaker 2: no reason tactically again for him to do that. People
Speaker 2: might want him to do so on principle, might say
Speaker 2: he owes it to the voters, but from a strategy viewpoint,
Speaker 2: there's just no reason for him to do so. Once
Speaker 2: it comes to the general election. Yeah, I think he
Speaker 2: will do that if for no other reason that he shines,
Speaker 2: especially if he's gonna if he could get on a
Speaker 2: stage with Biden. I think in Biden's current state. It
Speaker 2: would be pretty easy to look good in that situation.
Speaker 2: So should that moment come, I think that he will.
Speaker 2: But when it comes to the primary, no, there's no
Speaker 2: reason for him to be in the room with anyone else.
Speaker 2: At this point.
Speaker 1: Let's dive into immigration, which came up during the debate.
Speaker 1: But you know, I think most importantly well, I would
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Speaker 1: All right, urn the number that we're seeing these days,
Speaker 1: it's going to be close to eight million illegals entering
Speaker 1: the country under Biden in his first term, if it's
Speaker 1: not already eight million, which it might be if you
Speaker 1: add up the godaways eight million people. That is more
Speaker 1: than the population of many states, and it's more than
Speaker 1: the Dakota is it's more than a lot of states
Speaker 1: and states in New England, and I mean a lot
Speaker 1: of states. When is the GOP you think, going to
Speaker 1: approach this issue with real urgency?
Speaker 2: Never? And that's a huge problem. That tells you something
Speaker 2: about the GOP that there's a really serious issue happening
Speaker 2: on the American border, of course, with security and everything else.
Speaker 2: But what the Democratic Party knows is that it's permanently
Speaker 2: changing the demographic makeup of the United States in a
Speaker 2: way that it secures its electoral majority. They are importing,
Speaker 2: like you said, basically a blue state just by itself
Speaker 2: during the Biden presidency, and that's going to shift things.
Speaker 2: They know that, yes, you know, maybe not all of
Speaker 2: these immigrants will vote monolithically forever. We have seen Hispanics
Speaker 2: move towards the GOP in places like Florida over time,
Speaker 2: which is a good thing. But they know that for
Speaker 2: generations they're going to have an electoral advantage by opening
Speaker 2: the borders up the way that they are. That should
Speaker 2: be an existential crisis for an opposing political party. If
Speaker 2: the GOP was a serious opposition party, it would recognize
Speaker 2: this as a complete devastating issue when it comes to
Speaker 2: their ability to win elections. But they're not addressing it seriously,
Speaker 2: and I don't know that they ever will. But we
Speaker 2: desperately need someone too, because, like you said, this is
Speaker 2: the issue. If you can't seal this border, if you
Speaker 2: can't stop this invasion, then you can't win elections, and
Speaker 2: that means that you simply have no voice inside what
Speaker 2: is supposed to be a democratic republic.
Speaker 1: And I just wonder, you know how long we're going
Speaker 1: to continue to hear that we're going to secure the border,
Speaker 1: whether you know, just Santis talks about it, talks about it.
Speaker 1: Now people point out Trump was certainly much better than
Speaker 1: Biden on the border, but it wasn't an entirely secure border.
Speaker 1: There was more wall, more things to be done. Now
Speaker 1: for the Trump voters that I know, they say, right exactly,
Speaker 1: that's why he needs four more You're okay, well, we
Speaker 1: can discuss that further. But it's more than just any
Speaker 1: one thing, right, I mean, and I would argue the
Speaker 1: biggest thing is that you need to change the incentive
Speaker 1: structure for people coming here illegally, meaning that they don't
Speaker 1: think they're going to get to stay if they come illegally,
Speaker 1: which means you turn them back or you deport them.
Speaker 1: Does anyone in the GOP, I mean, Trump says he's
Speaker 1: going to be mass deportations to DeSantis, I think is there.
Speaker 1: But what about the members of Congress. You know, it
Speaker 1: strikes me that they're all going to just get Chamber
Speaker 1: of Commerce money and you know, decide the donor class
Speaker 1: likes the cheap labor. I worry that the GOP is
Speaker 1: going to betray the base on this. I mean, not
Speaker 1: like that would be the first time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, pretty common occurrence there. I think you're right. Unfortunately, look,
Speaker 2: people talking a good game, like you said, Vivek was
Speaker 2: talking about deputizing or allowing the different state law enforcement
Speaker 2: agencies to enforce border law, immigration law, which would be great.
Speaker 2: You had DeSantis talking about taxing remittances to places like Mexico,
Speaker 2: which I think what'll be great. This should be an
Speaker 2: all of the above type strategy move here right, everything
Speaker 2: should be a full court press. But the question is
Speaker 2: would Congressional Republicans actually doing any of this? And the
Speaker 2: answer seems to be no, which is why I think
Speaker 2: it's very critical for GOP governors actually to take the
Speaker 2: lead on this. Guys like DeSantis should be taking the
Speaker 2: lead in their own states to do as much as possible.
Speaker 2: That's why I think that governorships are so critical right now,
Speaker 2: even probably more than control of things like the national legislature,
Speaker 2: because let's just be honest, the national GOP is so
Speaker 2: corrupt they're not going to take action. We need action
Speaker 2: directly from executives at state levels. A lot of people
Speaker 2: are uncomfortable with that, I understand, but I think that's
Speaker 2: what it's going to take to get this kind of
Speaker 2: thing done.
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Speaker 1: to walk back what they said before Congress on the
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Speaker 1: that the head of the University of Pennsylvanian Ivy League
Speaker 1: school says it's not a violation of the school's terms
Speaker 1: of service or you know, sorry, not terms of service,
Speaker 1: code of conduct, terms of service like an internet thing,
Speaker 1: a code of conduct to call for the genocide of
Speaker 1: the Jews, which I think a lot of people just
Speaker 1: jaws hit the ground, is said, really, really, Now she's
Speaker 1: walked that back. So no, of course, of course it would.
Speaker 1: What has happened here, I mean, in terms of the
Speaker 1: anti semitism on campuses, it seems like the left has
Speaker 1: been almost caught surprised by how anti Semitics some parts
Speaker 1: of the left are.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, I mean, they shouldn't be.
Speaker 2: This is a natural progression of what's been happening on
Speaker 2: campuses for a very long time. These decolonization type rhetoric
Speaker 2: that's been going through, this neo Marxist rhetoric that's been
Speaker 2: going through, has been targeting Western people, especially people of
Speaker 2: European descent. They have been talking about the danger of whiteness,
Speaker 2: how whites are going to destroy things, how the things
Speaker 2: need to become less white for a very long time.
Speaker 2: This kind of rhetoric has been engaged on college campuses
Speaker 2: by professors, by activists for many years, and they just
Speaker 2: happen to finally include Jewish people in this categorization. It's terrible.
Speaker 2: Obviously they should not be allowed to speak about any
Speaker 2: group this way, be it whites or Jewish people or
Speaker 2: anyone else. But this is simply an extent the logic
Speaker 2: they already had. And of course, when you're importing a
Speaker 2: large number of people from areas of the world that
Speaker 2: have been in conflict with Jewish people for a very
Speaker 2: long time, you can't be surprised when this kind of
Speaker 2: ideology shows up enforce at your universities. It's gross, but
Speaker 2: I don't think anyone should really be surprised of them
Speaker 2: and paying any attention to the way the logic has
Speaker 2: been moving.
Speaker 1: Do you think that anything's going to change. I mean,
Speaker 1: one part of this is it feels to me like
Speaker 1: they're doing public relations clean up for these presidents and
Speaker 1: their universities. But I don't think they're really going to
Speaker 1: crack down on this right. So if anything, maybe it
Speaker 1: dies down on its own in time, depending on what happens,
Speaker 1: you know, in the war with the Hamas that Israel
Speaker 1: is waging. But I don't think that there's going to
Speaker 1: be some big change in the mentality in these campuses,
Speaker 1: or do you think the administrations are going to be
Speaker 1: worried enough about losing donor dollars and just support from
Speaker 1: a whole lot of folks, including very prominent members of
Speaker 1: the Jewish American community, that they will do something, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, think that they clean up this
Speaker 1: madness or they're just going to let it go.
Speaker 2: No, I think they're going to knuckle under to this.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think that the the woke vanguard of
Speaker 2: the left is beating the institutional mainstream left right now.
Speaker 2: The main stream institutional left was the part that supported
Speaker 2: Israel or had deference for Jewish people. That is not
Speaker 2: the case with the new crop of the left. I
Speaker 2: don't think that the same sympathies exist. I think that again,
Speaker 2: the makeup, the demographic makeup of the more radical part
Speaker 2: of the left is decidedly against the state of Israel,
Speaker 2: and I think that they are the ones who have
Speaker 2: won kind of the internacine conflicts inside the left over
Speaker 2: and over again. I think being against the vanguard of
Speaker 2: the left is a terrible place to be because the
Speaker 2: revolution is ongoing, and I don't think that the university
Speaker 2: presence they're going to stand up against it. They haven't
Speaker 2: stood up against any other part of the revolution. I
Speaker 2: don't think this is going to be different.
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