1 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:08,200 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to stuff 2 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:09,920 Speaker 1: I've Never Sold to re production of I Heeart Radio 3 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:25,279 Speaker 1: Happy Happy Thursday, Found Happy Thursday to you and the 4 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 1: fans will yeah, so quick morning at the beginning. If 5 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 1: we are opening beers and or something that seems fun 6 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:36,199 Speaker 1: or flavorful, like a wine or something, we probably are 7 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 1: going to do something not specifically like throughout so one 8 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:41,280 Speaker 1: good time of the a s m R. Of me 9 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:46,519 Speaker 1: opening up the beverage. So if that bothers you, you 10 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 1: may want to skip when I say I'm about to 11 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 1: open my drink the dramatic get fifteen seconds and then 12 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 1: we'll start Wow. I don't know because on the little 13 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:08,559 Speaker 1: um listening to it's gonna taking fifteen seconds open of beer. 14 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 1: You know you can do the automatic skip over. Got you, 15 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 1: I got you, I got you? Come on, Annie, I 16 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:16,480 Speaker 1: don't know what, but it's that thing on the thing. 17 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 1: This is a good happy, perfectly clear, perfectly clear. But yes, 18 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 1: today we're going to talk more about women and breweries 19 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:29,119 Speaker 1: and beer, and we're going to talk about the wonderfully 20 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:33,680 Speaker 1: crafted beer from Free Will Brewing, the Ali Beer. Oh 21 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 1: l L. Why if you are wondering, so I am 22 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:38,479 Speaker 1: now opening the beer, which by the way, it's court 23 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 1: because it's a bottle beer, so hold on the ticket. 24 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 1: And also, as always currently we are not sponsored who 25 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 1: we're talking about. And also drink responsibly if you're choosing, 26 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 1: do you have an alcoholic beverage because we always say 27 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 1: whatever you want will help relax you. That's what we 28 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 1: want for you and it isn't harm anybody. Yes, yes, yeah, 29 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 1: So today, as we said, we're drinking Ali beer and 30 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 1: it is actually from the creator of Hannah GOADI. Before 31 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 1: we start, Annie, how did you get into beer or 32 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 1: did you maybe know? This is actually I very funny 33 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:28,639 Speaker 1: to me answer. So as you know, Samantha, I I 34 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 1: am a fan also not a sponsor of course light. 35 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 1: And in my family and my mom's side of the family, 36 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:38,640 Speaker 1: there's sort of she has three siblings, so there's four 37 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 1: of them too, have them perfore Corona Light two of 38 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:44,359 Speaker 1: them perfore course lights. So I grew up like with 39 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 1: my mom drinking Corse light and kind of being involved 40 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 1: in my family where you know, at a certain age 41 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 1: like sixteen and if you want to try the scores 42 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 1: light and I liked it immediately. There was never because 43 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 1: most of my friends had that like period. They would 44 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:02,800 Speaker 1: say I don't like beer, and I believe them because 45 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:06,120 Speaker 1: beer can be a very strong flavor for if you've 46 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 1: never had anything like it. But I never went through 47 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 1: that period. I did have like I don't like I 48 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:14,359 Speaker 1: p A S or something maybe, but I've just for 49 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 1: as long as probably yes, sixteen, and yes it's under age, 50 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:23,360 Speaker 1: but I also like, I think because of that, I 51 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:27,520 Speaker 1: didn't get in trouble drinking. Like I didn't go out drinking. Um, 52 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:31,639 Speaker 1: that was not like my thing. But occasionally my mom 53 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 1: would be like, if you want to corresulate, I'm like, yep, 54 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 1: we're not encouraging android drinking. No, no, no, no, no no. 55 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 1: I was always supervised with my mom, who is the best. 56 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 1: So it was a good time. But yeah, and then 57 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 1: my horizons sort of expanded as I moved to a city, 58 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 1: I went to college or options. Yeah, yeah, how about you. 59 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 1: So I did not start drinking until way later. Um, 60 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 1: mainly because of my own upbringing as well as being 61 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 1: very religious, and in my world, when you're religious, all 62 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 1: alcohol is bad. So I was a very good person 63 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 1: and that I kept waiting, yeah you were, yeah you were, 64 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 1: and that I was absolutely afraid of alcohol in general, 65 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:22,159 Speaker 1: so I didn't actually start drinking until I think it 66 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 1: was like twenty two, and I started with wine. I 67 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 1: actually also liked the taste of beer, so that's never 68 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 1: been a thing for me. I thought, it's always tasted 69 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 1: nice and wheaty, and I like that bready taste, so yeah, 70 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 1: it tasted delicious to me. But I started off drinking 71 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 1: brown ailes like that's how I got into it, and 72 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 1: Dark Gil's and I feel like a lot of people 73 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:42,720 Speaker 1: do this, and I started out with Guinness and Newcastle 74 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 1: and that was my starter. And then as I slowly 75 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:47,719 Speaker 1: understood craft beer, I was like, okay, this is what 76 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 1: this is. It took me a long time to get 77 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 1: into I p a s I will say that because 78 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 1: it is a whole different taste in that bready lagger 79 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 1: that you get. And as I started appreciating that and 80 00:04:56,920 --> 00:05:00,840 Speaker 1: the beers and I started understanding what it cook to 81 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:04,480 Speaker 1: make beers and to create these beers, it's science and 82 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 1: this whole level of crafting ha ha. It became a 83 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:10,720 Speaker 1: whole thing that I was like, okay, okay, I get this. 84 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 1: I get it. This is a unique industry and what 85 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 1: they're doing though it is like that you do understand 86 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 1: the science and the math and all of the you 87 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:21,279 Speaker 1: need biology and here, you need chemistry in here and 88 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 1: all of that. That's really fascinating that I'm like, Okay, cool, cool, cool. 89 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 1: And then as I was working at the brewery here 90 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:29,600 Speaker 1: in Atlanta at Orpheus, you know, we were all trying 91 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 1: to get the sister own certification and understanding that in 92 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:34,599 Speaker 1: the depth of what you had to do to be 93 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 1: certified to begin with, which I never did and I 94 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 1: really wouldn't want to finish that out that I understood 95 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:42,359 Speaker 1: how big this was. And as we know, homebrewing became 96 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 1: a huge thing in the last ten years. I guess 97 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 1: I'm sure I'm gonna have a lot of people at 98 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 1: me be like, no, I've known it since this time, 99 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 1: and this time it is fascinating. It is a whole 100 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:56,480 Speaker 1: other level. And I love watching women who have become 101 00:05:57,040 --> 00:05:59,840 Speaker 1: huge parts of the homebrewing world and homebrewing and just 102 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 1: trade and seeing that and how they truly are gifted 103 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 1: when it comes to understanding the palette of beer. And 104 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 1: Hannah Godi is one of those who did that, who 105 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 1: has started with being a homebrewer and dabbling with her 106 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:16,919 Speaker 1: friends or dabbling with her brothers in her garage and 107 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 1: getting things together, to really loving the beer culture and 108 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:25,039 Speaker 1: and what it has done for her someone who loves beer. 109 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 1: And she worked at free Will Brewing, which is located 110 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:33,040 Speaker 1: in Pennsylvania. Again another shout out to Jason from Orpheus 111 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:35,839 Speaker 1: who helped me get these beers and the through brewery 112 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 1: is fantastic. I think they have two locations now and 113 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 1: the original ones in Pennsylvania. But she helped create this 114 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 1: sour brown ale which has been barrel aged for up 115 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 1: to five years with a lot of good dark plumb 116 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:54,839 Speaker 1: and current notes is white delicious. It actually wanted silver 117 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:59,679 Speaker 1: metal form the two eighteen World Beer Cup. So yummy 118 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:03,599 Speaker 1: and in one way, who doesn't love that? I love 119 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:08,279 Speaker 1: it so not so. Actually, Hannah went on and is 120 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 1: now the head brewer of Naked Brewing, which I'm gonna 121 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 1: have to hit that up. I'm gonna have to find 122 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 1: some connection because I need that. I need that beer. 123 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 1: But she did start her I guess actual career career 124 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 1: with Free Will as a brewer slash event coordinator, which 125 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 1: happens a lot. A lot of the women get like 126 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:28,840 Speaker 1: dual roles. I've seen not just one thing. There are 127 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 1: many things I've seen that a lot. And she createdd 128 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 1: this beautifully crafted beer as she again, like I said, 129 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 1: she's an obvious season brewer and like many others, love 130 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 1: the technicality of crafting and creating these different types of beers. 131 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 1: And she talked about how she does love sours. At first, 132 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 1: it's like a little complicated because you watch, uh, and 133 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 1: it makes sure that these yeas are cultured properly and 134 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 1: how it affects flavor with the way it's grown or 135 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 1: whether it's stored. And I know we learned about in 136 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 1: you came to a class I posted at the brewery 137 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 1: that I worked at our meet cute, which if you 138 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 1: haven't seen, the picture is on our Instagram. Uh huh, 139 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 1: Well I was serving her beer. Didn't know who she was. 140 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 1: You know at that point in time that she would 141 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 1: change my life. Right. They had a whole session about 142 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 1: crafting sour beers and the science behind it, and of 143 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 1: course that they had their biologists who was there and 144 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 1: taught them a lot about the different yeasts and the 145 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 1: specific mother yeast that was locked up at a school 146 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 1: because they had to protect the recipe like it's it's 147 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 1: the whole thing. Yeah, I love it. I love well 148 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:40,440 Speaker 1: obviously I was at that class for fun. Yeah, And 149 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 1: I love like the mother yee sounds so cool. And 150 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:48,439 Speaker 1: I love that sour beers in particular, there's definitely a 151 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 1: science and and a way to manufacture products consistently that 152 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:55,439 Speaker 1: is the same. But it's also kind of the wild 153 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:58,559 Speaker 1: West of like depending on where you are and the 154 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 1: yeastteriors in the air. Um, Like when I did that 155 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 1: that video with Orpheus, you're talking about like you're tasting 156 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 1: Piedmont Park, Like whatever Pegmont Park has to offer is 157 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:09,319 Speaker 1: a part of this beer, and so you can't quite 158 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 1: control things like that, and that makes it really fascinating 159 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 1: to me, right, which also can kind of be problematic 160 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 1: when you're trying to do quality control already have that 161 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 1: or if it gets ruined somehow, it takes a whole 162 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 1: different turn. And I do also love learning about the 163 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 1: hops in the different industries that come into play. At 164 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 1: one point they were talking about the fact that hops 165 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 1: were worth more than gold because it was so it 166 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:35,559 Speaker 1: was in such demand. So stuff that that really is 167 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 1: fascinating anyway, But having female brewers come in and taking 168 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 1: control and being a part of something that it has 169 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:46,680 Speaker 1: been recently so male dominated and taking to a whole 170 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:49,080 Speaker 1: other level. It's it's a beautiful thing. So, first of all, 171 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 1: good job, Hannah, cheers to you for an amazing beer 172 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 1: this is. And by the way, so we want to 173 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 1: give our own little notes in my own opinion, what 174 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 1: this tastes like. This is an amazing beer. It's smooth, 175 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:04,680 Speaker 1: and it's tarp but sweet, and it leaves a sweet 176 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 1: like camel aftertaste. It's a very smooth mouth fill. It's 177 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:12,319 Speaker 1: almost like I've just sucked on a Worther's Original, which 178 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 1: is one of my favorite candies. By the way, I 179 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 1: love it. But the aftertastes like I'm just finished one 180 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 1: of those. It is surprising. I was not ready for that, 181 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 1: and it's so tasty. One bottle is not enough, it is. Yeah, yeah, 182 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:30,560 Speaker 1: I agree with everything you said. And when you said 183 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:34,079 Speaker 1: that like coding and that mouth feel, it just clicked, like, yes, 184 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:37,199 Speaker 1: that's exactly what I'm experiencing. And that is one of 185 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 1: the things that stood out about this beer to me 186 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 1: was that it was a very unique texture and mouth 187 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 1: feel in my personal beer experience. Like listening to that, 188 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 1: you might think that sounds heavy, but it really wasn't 189 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 1: heavy at all. It was light and refreshing. Right. So 190 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 1: in their own description, it says it's with a multi 191 00:10:56,840 --> 00:11:00,680 Speaker 1: undertones and a pleasantly sour finish. And it's only one 192 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 1: of those where I've had different so Hours obviously, like 193 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 1: there are so many to be offered in so many 194 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 1: different kinds, and I love it, but this was one 195 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 1: that didn't leave me as with the acidity aftertaste that 196 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:15,560 Speaker 1: kind of lingers. It didn't leave that, which was different too, 197 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 1: and I loved it. And don't get me wrong, I 198 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 1: love so Hours. Yeah, this one was so different that 199 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 1: I was like, I can drink this after a meal 200 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 1: and feel like it's kind of a dessert. Right, It's 201 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 1: very unique like that, because I think that if you 202 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 1: had explained this to me where it's like I got 203 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:34,960 Speaker 1: these like caramel notes, but it's also a sour beer 204 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:37,320 Speaker 1: and it's tired, I would have been like, that doesn't 205 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 1: sound like a combination that makes sense to me, but 206 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 1: it works. It absolutely works. Yes, So thank you Hannah 207 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:49,319 Speaker 1: for such a great and delicious beer, and I can't 208 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:52,600 Speaker 1: wait to actually get my hands on your newest beers 209 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 1: at Niked Brewing and for those who have already gone there, 210 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 1: who know people there, tell them what he said hello 211 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:06,320 Speaker 1: and good job, and they'll be like, oh yeah, so cheers. 212 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us everybody. As always, if you have 213 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 1: any people you want us to spotlight in the beverage industry, 214 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:18,720 Speaker 1: any drinks alcoholic are not cocktails, non alcoholic cocktails send 215 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:22,319 Speaker 1: them our way. The quest for the Sminty themed cocktail 216 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:25,559 Speaker 1: is ongoing, and also Star Wars cocktails I always appreciate, 217 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 1: so if you would like to send those two us 218 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 1: you can our emails. Stephanie you mom Stuff at i 219 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 1: heeart media dot com. You can also find us on 220 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:33,680 Speaker 1: Instagram at stuff I Never Told You or on Twitter 221 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 1: at mom Stuff Podcast. Thanks as always, started super producer Christina. 222 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 1: Cheers Christina, and thanks to you for listening Stuff I 223 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:41,840 Speaker 1: Never Told These production of I Heart Radio. For more 224 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:43,959 Speaker 1: podcasts and I Heart Radio, visit the I Heart Radio app, 225 00:12:44,000 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 1: Apple podcast, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.